>outcast from human & elven societies >nobody fucking

>>49299821
And now, I shall reveal the greatest wisdom this thread has to offer:

Depends on the setting.

>>49299821
If it was a serious question, you ought to have phrased it better tbqh

>>49299821
>Are half-elves made for bullying?

Wait... What? Aren't Half-Elves typically given bonuses to Diplomacy because they wind up being smooth-talkers?

If anything, half-elves are that hot interracial guy/girl that had an awkward childhood but grew up attractive and successful.

>>49299821
What are half-orcs?

No this is a serious question: In most setting, people don't really mind half-elves if they are not jealous. They are just a bit excotic unlike half-orcs who are plainnly hideous.

However, that is the fun of playing one

>>49299821
Why be scared of the basilisk? Gonna taste like chicken

>>49299857
If it's Dragonlance, then they're made for being emo, except with beards instead of stupid hair.

>+2 racial bonus on Diplomacy and Gather Information checks: Half-elves get along naturally with all people

Doesn't seem like it.

>>49299857
In the 13th Age setting half-elves are considered a wonderful symbol of cooperation between the two races, to the point where the Emperor of Man and the Elf-Queen cast a joint spell altering their peoples' genetics so that half-elven children would occasionally be born from pureblooded human or elven couplings.

>>49299857
>passive-aggressive non-answers are wisdom

Anon...

>>49299857

name a setting where half-elves aren't made for bullying.

Fucking planescape, the setting that encompasses all other settings, has "half-elves are made for bullying" as the primary defining trait for half-elves.

So yeah, it'd be easier to state settings where it's not true than those where it is, so name one because I can't think of one. Even shadowrun half-elves are despised by full elves, even though elves are just another kind of trog and you'd think the half-elves would be allowed into their holy pointy eared potato shire.

>>49299883
I like how between the editions some things went upside down. Elves used to be the charming ones while half-elves were outcasts. Now what we got are half-elves being good with everyone and high elves being too arrogant for their own good. And don't get me started on tiefling.

>>49299908
>Fucking planescape, the setting that encompasses all other settings, has "half-elves are made for bullying" as the primary defining trait for half-elves.

[citation needed]

No, seriously, [citation needed]

Half-elves in Eberron are widely respected.

>>49299905
Consider that "depends on the setting" is the same kind of wisdom as "lurk moar" used to be. Just because it's not nice doesn't mean it's not true.

>>49299925

4e tieflings were a terrible mistake.

>>49299946
>descendants of an ancient magical empire that made pacts with devils to survive a war against dragons, but was forever cursed
>exist alongside ordinary tieflings from previous editions of D&D too
...why?

Sage this and filter this cringey autistic fetish shit, scumfuck retarded op

>>49299990
what

theyre just offering the poor girl food, how is that a fetish?

>>49299936
Planescape player's guide, dumbass, both human and elven societies don't trust them because they don't fit into either, so they tend to be vagabonds and emo fucks so no one likes them.

>>49300024
Keep your innocence my poor sweet summer child.

He doesn't know about inflation/expansion fetish.

>>49300055

You're confusing expansion/inflation with feederism, different fetishes entirely.

How hairy are half-elven males?

>>49299821
According to 5e (and implicitly 4e as well), the idea is that half-elves are generally trusted by most races; however, in dealings between humans and elves, both sides suspect them of being on the other side.

>>49299865
Don't forget that mixed-race babies are the cutest babies.

>>49300077
Like blondes. Not very.

>>49299944
"lurk moar" is still just being passive aggressive and not particularly helpful.

"Depends on setting" is an attempt to dismiss a broad question because the person feels it's too open-ended for their tastes.

Neither are wisdom.

>>49300024
>just offering the poor girl food, how is that a fetish?
coughfelaryacough

>>49299821
It ultimately is going to depend on how well human and elven society gets along at the time. If they are close allies against the orc hordes or whatever it's probably not a big deal. If the elves arrow anyone who comes into the forest and humans are contaminating sacred elf glades or something you're going to see them universally outcast.

Half-elves are like white-asian mixes, if they're ugly then everyone thinks they are an abomination but if they are attractive then they are suddenly the chosen ones

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>>49299899
>Emperor of Man

>>49299821
NOT AT MY TABLE

>>49299899
Retard generic fetish shit

Your players hate your setting and likely you but are too beta to tell you

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>>49299821
It should definitely come up at least once in a while. Ideally you'd emphasize or deemphasize it based on whether or not the player seems to enjoy roleplaying through it.

>roll a sheltered half-elf noble from a proud line of military battle-mages, venturing away from home for the first time
>excited to roleplay through him experiencing the completely alien concept of being hated for his mixed ancestry for the first time
>someone else rolls a half-orc and becomes the sole target of any racial contempt directed at the party
>tfw

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>>49299821
Half elfs, well half breeds in general should make the most obvious adventurers.

Think of if, The immortality of elves means they can be remembered for centuries, have a family, continue their line. Humans live brief lives but are remembered in great deeds and progeny.

A Half breed is sterile, they are denied the immortality of man and the immortality of elf. Their only hope of being remembered is in great deeds or works, art, they must do something to inspire epics, plays and songs in order to live on in people's memory. the adventure gives meaning to their somewhat brief lives and compels them to go out in the world.

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>Feeling sorry for some runty lil' git who can't swing an axe or grab a snake mid-strike

Cull the wheat from the chaff.

>>49300639

Oh wow, those are truly life skills the average civilized person should have.

Next you're going to say only a true man can make flint arrowheads, or we're all idiots for not knowing how to hit a bird with an atlatl from 100 meters.

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>>49300672

They can, and you are. Weakling.

>>49300710

We don't need to snatch snakes anymore because we don't live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere where snakes are a clear, constant and very present danger.

>>49300672
>being an office cuck and living a life free of any kind of stress/tension/danger so as to not hurt poor babby's ego is something to be proud of

>>49300732

You're only saying that because we haven't had any snakenados recently.

>>49300732
>responding to a cro-magnon

>>49300751
>free of any kind of stress/tension/danger
You really don't understand how the human mind handles negative situations, do you?

>>49300751

>Implying living a life free of any kind of stress/tension/danger is a bad thing
>When living a life free of any kind of stress/tension/danger is one of the core tenets of civilization and a near universal goal for philosophy

It's even more ironic when you realize people a hundred years ago were working 14+ hour days in high-risk factories or coal mines, 6 days a week. Compared to them, you're the pampered little bitch.

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>>49299821
>Are half-elves made for bullying?
That's not nice, anon-kun

>>49300807
Yeah no shit, but it's probably better than living in this synthetic evinronment that complacency has us in. First worlders live in a bubble wrap world with padded walls and floors. People don't have genuine feelings or emotions anymore, just prescribed corporate and government approved response to stimuli.

Wasn't perfect back then by any stretch but at least people were humans and not these neutered and sedated devolved pseudo-humans

>>49299821
In 3.5, this was true - they never properly belonged in either human or elven society. At best you'd have some half-elf enclaves.

But in 4e and 5e, everyone loves half-elves, to the point where I wonder why they don't just breed humans and elves out of existence. They're considered the perfect middle ground between the two races, master diplomats, that sort of thing. Guess tieflings took the bully spot.

>>49300976
>tieflings
>not Half-Orcs

Ya blew it

>>49300949
Anon, i'd rather be a bubble-wrapped first-worlder than the europoor i currently am

>>49300976
3.5 still had the Diplomacy bonuses, though. I guess they were good with everyone except their parent races.

>>49301018
It was more like 'they were so used to not sticking around anywhere that they got used to having to work with people.'

>>49301005
Well I don't, humanity isn't a child's ant colony kit and we shouldn't live like this

>>49299865
>had an awkward childhood but grew up attractive and successful
Honestly, this describes the course of the half-elf over the editions.

>>49301045

Yeah, you get a diplomacy bonus but you also got a penalty to... fuck waht was it called? the "first appearance" roll thingie.

I think the reason why helves and full elves flipped over was because 4e wanted to keep that diplomacy bonus, make helves into basically "party face": the race, while tieflings became to magic what horcs were to hitting things really hard with an axe.

>>49299982
Yeah, that second one never happened.
The first one - the eredar wannabes that we keep pretending weren't because muh tentacle beards - got shoved down everyone's throat.

>>49301046
You're free to remove yourself at the earliest convenience. Might i suggest 40 .cal?

>>49300439
Anon, I hate to tell you this, but it's an actual published setting.

>>49301126
I don't want to kill myself but you really want to live in this fast foodized society? Can you even name the last time you sincerely felt something?

>>49301132
Which one

>>49300807
Pretty sure we're comparing to significantly more than a hundred years ago.

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>>49301190
Today.

>>49301197
Literally read the fucking post.

>>49301190
>Can you even name the last time you sincerely felt something?
That's kind of hard when you're in depression for years due to being a lonely europoor, but i suppose you have it worse

>>49301190

I think you'll find that people sincerely feel a profound dislike of you.

>>49301126
>2016
>seriously recommending .40 cal
What are you, a fudd?

>>49301222
Reading is hard :(

>>49301228
Kek probably but I'm not wrong

>>49301223
So live life, nobody is stopping you, not the government or money and that is the truth because deep down you know it's true too

>>49301285
You're a sheltered, pampered idiot, aren't you

>>49300110
In the latter setting, half-elves are going to be rare outside of slave rape-babies.

>>49300440
Simple solution: become close friends with the half-orc.

>>49301331
>>49301046
>>49301190

What are you suggesting here, that living on a farm is preferable? You'd rather live out in the Alaska and fuck your sister like those freaks on the Discovery Channel?

>>49301331
Am I, though? Or is this just projection to justify why you're miserable but won't do anything to change it? I mean, surely I'm just a pampered idiot, what could I possibly know of your soul crushing obstacles? Better to continue on living in self pity and misery and postpone any kind of further introspective self reflection on how I got here and what I can do to fix it

Truth is dude, you don't want to be happy because then you won't have the sweet vindication to be a sore "cynical" and "jaded" loser who can mope and try to convince everyone else they're as miserable as he is

>>49301400
Do humanity a favor and neck yourself as soon as possible

>>49299908

In Errant Story, Half Elves are made for murdering by Elvish kill teams. Because they got used as the scapegoat for a bunch of societal problems that arose after Elves discovered a bunch of dirty mindless almost-people called Humans wandering in the desert who looked weirdly like elves but with disgusting ears, and a few half elves do happen to go fucking crazy for some reason.

Errant Story had kind of a fucked up relationship between humans and elves. It was briefly fashionable for Elves to take human lovers because they would grow old and die in less time than it took for a normal elvish relationship to sour, letting the relationship end on a high note and allowing the Elf to remember them fondly and pine after them forever. When Elves date elves its all rainbows for the first 200 years, and downhill after that until eventually you drift apart or end on a bad note, and that ex sticks around FOREVER because you are both semi immortal.

>>49301431
LOL, I rest my case. You're fucking miserable dude and the medicine will only get you half way. You need to put in the other half but you already knew that didn't you?

>>49301461
I may be miserable, but i'm still a better person than you'll ever aspire to be

Only if they're orphans or at odds with their families or something. You can be as much of a genetic mongrel as you want if you have tons of brothers, half brothers, cousins, uncles, etc.

>>49301382
>everything needs to be extreme hyperbole to le max xD LE slippery slope, ur just so irrational

No, just stop sucking the cock of punk ass corporations and government politicians. We have a generation of young men and women who are aimlessly drifting through life unhappily without purpose because their parents kept them protected from the outside world, didn't teach them values/morals, and were tricked by Hollywood into believing sitcoms mirror reality

Everyone's a pseudo-nihilist right now and being passionate about something is considered lame and worthy of ridicule

>>49301490
I never said I was better than you

>>49301230
Yeah, everyone knows true patricians use only .45 calibre hollowpoint bullets for suicide.

>>49301537
Wouldn't falling on a sword be the most patrician way though?

>>49301530
Reading between the lines is simple. Go preach to someone who is equally ignorant of everything as you are

>>49301549
No, technically the true patrician way would be hemlock, like a real Roman.

>>49301537
>using .45 hollow points for suicide
>Not using HE 88

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>>49300039
>Planescape player's guide, dumbass, both human and elven societies don't trust them because they don't fit into either, so they tend to be vagabonds and emo fucks so no one likes them.

Completely and utterly wrong.

>>49301643
>not drinking a fuckload of 1,2,3-trinitroxypropane and jumping off a building

>>49301643
>not caving your own skull in with a zweihander

Pussy

>>49301103
>"first appearance" roll thingie.
reaction rolls?

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>>49301443
You know I've honestly never considered that take on human-elf relationships. I kind of like it. It makes sense, sort of.

I imagine elf relationships are hella awkward if they're on the "ideal" elf island or whatever. Half the people have date each other over the centuries and everyone knows dirt on everyone else by two degrees of separation at most.

No wonder some elf maidens crave the BHC. The human knight is fresh start free of the drama and expectations with all passion. He doesn't know her not so secret rep for that one time she got talked into embarrassing butt stuff by Delunir the Hunter after a tiresome decade of pressuring.

>>49301382
>he doesn't want to fuck his sister
Not my fault you've got ugly kin, dude.

>>49300949
>>49301190
>>49301400
>>49301461
Yeah I went through this phase when I was 16, too.

You'll grow out if it when you realize your faux-intellectualism just makes you an insufferable twat and you actually are completely clueless about all the shit you wax philosophic about. Oh I'm sure you'll deny it now and make some rebuttals about how I'm just some pawn of the system or whatever it is you're prattling on about, but in 10 years you'll realize it's true.

Also reported for underage b&.

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>tfw i will never cuddle with my half elf waifu who i was the only one to accept and love

;-;

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>>49301839
>Not just accepting the tiefling

>>49301190
I felt really proud doing well (for me) at FNM.

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>>49301782
>Kierkegaard, the Dane, came up with a noble and rational philosophy involving what might be termed as self sacrifice to some
>The common Swede hears about the actions of this educated man
>this is the result

>>49300092
It teaches people to put more effort into their questions if they want good answers. He did not ask if how people treat elves in their setting. He did not specify a setting. He asked how you are "supposed to" treat elves as if there was a single unified setting. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

>>49300090
They are just as hairy as anyone else, the hair is just harder to see. I have a friend who is so blonde his eyebrows disappear in certain lighting.

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>>49300949
Good goy, those reduced stress environments are cutting into our profi- I mean making today's men weak! A real man would settle for less!

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>>49299821
They're made for the same things all elves are.

>>49301230
/k/ is a weird board. Imagine if only a quarter of them owned cars and the ones that did only drove in a parking lot for a half hour every other month. They would mostly shitpost about people who drive regularly for not following their meme wisdom concocted by people pretending to be experts on things they've never done.

>>49302365
She's a demon, though.

>>49302365

The absurd level of jiggle ruins what could have been an absurdly hot animation.

>>49302373
>imagine /o/ if*

half-elves are LITERALLY half white half asian monstrosities. i would DIE before i mixed my pure white genes with an ASIAN MONGREL

>>49301269
So is staying alive, yet here you are.

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>>49302374
it's all relative

>>49301812

He just needs to get his first menial labor job working at a lawncare center over the summer to realize how nice sitting at a computer is.

>>49302113
>He did not ask if how people treat elves in their setting. He did not specify a setting.
Then take some fucking initiative and answer it according to a specific setting anyway, like other people ITT did.

>>49302423

I don't think the artists realize just how large those breasts would be in the real world.

I mean look at those gams, they're as big as her head. How many skinny girls do you know with perky, head-sized breasts?

>>49302437
If he wants good answers, he should be the one to take the initiative. There is any easy way to prevent people posting "depends on the setting" and triggering you. It's putting in a little bit of your own effort when asking others to do the same.

>>49302481
My own mother in her youth, actually.

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>>49302570
is she single?

>>49302618
Yeah, though rather less skinny. But hey, apparently you're into 58-year-old black women, so I doubt that's an issue.

She's like a J-cup, no joke or exaggeration.

>>49302652
>must... resist... low hanging... fruit...
jokes aside I would a 58 year old black woman, your dad was a lucky man

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>>49301443
>>49301782
The comic in question, for the curious.

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>>49302883

>>49302570
>>49302652
Anon's mom has got it goin' on...

>>49299905
Woosh

>>49301190
Yesterday, as I happened to be sitting at the local memorial for veterans (since it's sort of a garden spot), I saw a cardinal roosting on a nearby tree. My grandfather loved watching birds, and my grandmother set up a few fake cardinals in a tree by his grave, so it was a moment. I'm not sure what moment it was, but it was an important one.

I also saw a young dog today that was really excited and giving the girl holding the leash some trouble. Really cute puppy, made me have to say hi even if there was obviously no chance for pets.

Fuck you. I can have feelings no matter where they're coming from.

>>49303904
>I saw a bird and then a dog
I'm not that guy but if you're trying to argue that modern society is equivalent to a more natural existence, those examples aren't making your point too clearly.

>>49304256
I'm just trying to argue that I can still feel things. Modern society hasn't crushed that from me in any way, just because he thinks everything is cheap and pre-packaged. There's no point in trying to argue that any of this is natural - not only is our entire society organized differently than the arguably most natural society of hunter gathers, but we perceive nature differently.

>>49304326
Congratulations. Don't stay on 4chan too long or you'll lose that.

>>49302525
If it was a bad question you could just not fucking answer them instead of being a useless piece of shit.

>>49302113
Well, the idea that you're teaching anyone anything by doing that is kind of laughable, but even the premise that you hope to teach isn't really on that stable ground. If you look around you, you may notice that while indeed there's no single correct answer, the totality of the answers in the thread give an acceptable gestalt.

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>>49304403
>useless
I'm bumping the thread and encouraging better posts in the future. I'm contributing as much if not more as your bitchfit.

>>49300710
Man, whoever drew that has never seen tits that weren't bolted on.

>>49304370
I've been here a few years. I think I'll be okay. It's all about learning not to take internet shit to heart, and learning for yourself what living means to you and how to come to terms with that.

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>>49299821

What do humans think about elves in the region where the party is?
What do elves think of humans?

What do humans think about humans?
What do elves think about elves?

Practical real world racist sample to get your imagination flowing:
>What did people in Texas think about black+white babies in the 50:ies?
>What did people in Texas think about Asian+white babies in the 50:ies?

>>49299821
To make it even better worse I always make sure to include that Half-Elves are incapable of having kids in any setting with H-Es in it.

>>49299899
Well, 13th age is generic liberturd shit where the authors who seriously need to outgrow their views are shoveling their politics in, so we don't talk about it.

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>>49304922
>Can feel the pleasure of being cummed inside without risking pregnancy
>Bad
Sounds like my kind of girl to be honest kinsman.

>>49304922
All the better to rape them then

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>>49301443
>>49302883
>>49302896
>In Errant Story, half elves half of the time go crazy. Elves initially look upon half-elves as the solution to making humans better by fucking some elf into them - literally seeing them as "aspiring to become like elves", and bullying them

>Later after a crazy half elf magically nukes a capital city half elves get bullied in an outright war between elves supporting them and elves wanting them all dead. Half elves are 99% wiped out.

>A few hundred years later and the story involves the half elf protagonist, Meiji, getting bullied because she

>has powerful magic but can only wield it without precision
>ages slowly so she looks younger than she is and is therefore seen as a shrimp, a kid, someone precocious and generally out of her depth
>is found out by elven kill teams and nearly killed, and saved a bunch of times by a human assassin and a sympathetic elf ranger, both of which rag on and bully her teasingly for reminding them of their younger sister/aborted half-elf baby

The deutragonist of the series, Ian, gets bullied AT ALL TIMES even when getting the powers of a mad supergod.

If you wanted a setting where half-elves weren't bullied, Errant Story isn't it.

>>49300949
>Yeah no shit, but it's probably better than living in this synthetic evinronment that complacency has us in. First worlders live in a bubble wrap world with padded walls and floors.
Fuck you, anon. Move to fucking africa and live a life full of excitement shortly before you die a horrible death.

Or don't die and see how well you do. Either you'll realise how horribly wrong you are, or you'll have a fucking great time, so go ahead and fucking throw your life out of the first world.

>>49299899
Isn't that basically impregnating human women by random elves magically against their will while any boyfriend or husband they have are forced to raise a child that's not theirs? That's really fucked up.

>>49305012
Not really. It's more like turning all the humans a little bit elf, and all the elves a little bit human.

It's still their child, but the first generation so changed aren't who they were originally born as.

If you think that your DNA is makes you who you are instead of what you've done or what you can achieve, then sure, it's fucked up.

>>49301782
>No wonder some elf maidens crave the BHC
Why do people act like niggers?

>>49302436
Fuck that. I made bank mowing lawns when I was 19. Started my own company, got a bunch of contracts in the nice part of town.

Charge 30 - 60$ a pop, take 20 - 40 minutes a lawn. The trick is to have a good mower that you take care of, and get all your contracts in the same area.

Got up, got stoned, went around and hung out in the sun all day mowing lawns. Made aroung $2000 a week working six days, but never more than 8 hours a day.

Probably never would have stopped if it wasn't for winter.

>>49305031
That's not how genetics works. The humans would never be able to give birth to random half-elves unless the spell was forcefully injecting some elf's spunk into people.

>If you think...
I think altering your DNA without your consent would be the same as putting you through a sex change without your consent.

>>49305046
>That's not how genetics works
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punnett_square

If you've got two separate races that can interbreed, and both have a racial genome:

Let's say humans are AAAAAAAA
Elves are BBBBBBBB
Half elves happen when you get a particular combination of AAAAAABB, AAAABBBB or AABBBBBB.

Suddenly FUCKING MAGIC. Humans get hit by a magic virus that rewrites their genetic to be AAAAAAAB and elves turn into BBBBBBBA

Suddenly, when the kid gets the genome of the tiny bit of elf in them from both human parents, they're now fucking getting half-elf traits. Or the elves are having half elf kids when their genes activate.

That's not fucking injecting elf spunk in people, it's rewriting your body's coding to a fundamental level.

>I think altering your DNA without your consent would be the same as putting you through a sex change without your consent.
Sure, making your kids have a chance to have pointier ears and live longer but not affecting your body personally at all is just like lopping off your dick and doing invasive surgery on the hole, and condemning you to a life full of hormone therapy to fuck up your brain.

>>49301190
I walked around a castle, looked at the view, imagined defending it from barbarians, learned a bit about Welsh history, had a good time.

Fuck you.

>>49305102
>Using the absolute most basic genetics model to try and justify your baby being of a different race.
Such things are endlessly more complex than a single gene, anon. Especially when, as you've pointed out, the humans were forced to be slightly elven but are not noticeably different from before.

It'd be like claiming that because you have Neanderthal DNA, and your wife probably does too, that you could have a Neanderthal baby.

>Making your kids
Unrelated to you.

>Not affecting your body.
It's altering the DNA in every single cell in your body. Your body.

>>49305127
>Such things are endlessly more complex than a single gene, anon. Especially when, as you've pointed out, the humans were forced to be slightly elven but are not noticeably different from before.
Are you really saying that recessive genes aren't something that happens? All I'm hearing is "these literal gods can't have used magic to have done genetics in that way, genetics is too complex for that".

>Making your kids
Related to you, because they're using 100% your and your wife DNA. It's just that you have different DNA now.

>It's altering the DNA in every single cell in your body. Your body.
And what practical effect does that have on your life?

Guess you shouldn't go on international flights, because fucking gamma radiation will damage your DNA causing it to go under miniscule mutations that normally are corrected but sometimes are passed down to your children. Fucking airlines are giving you very tiny sex changes.

>>49305191
Recessive genes happen. Full on racial or species throwback does not.

>They're using 100% of your DNA
But as I've established, that would be impossible.

>What practical effect does that have on you?
Some people have principles and beliefs and do not solely care about things that effect them directly. Body sanctity is such a principle.

>>49305232
>Some people have principles and beliefs and do not solely care about things that effect them directly. Body sanctity is such a principle.
So why are you being so bothered about it having an effect on your kids?

Incidentally, the gods lied. It's nothing to do with genetics at all. Both species have been blessed/cursed so that 1 out of every 5,000 unborn babies are polymorphed into half elves permanently and unnoticeably.

It's still their kid, but their kid's DNA is 100% different.

How's that solution working for you?

>>49301513
Where do you live you bitter asshole? Maybe talk to someone else than your mom before you make assumptions about a whole generation.

On a different note, is there any setting where half-elves/orcs are a separate race from humans, elves, orcs?

>>49305255
>Some people have principles.
>So why do you care!?
Obviously because I hold such a principle.

>How's that solution working for you?
Did you go and re-read the sourcebooks or something?

Anyway, this goes back to what I said originally. Women are being impregnated like this against their will. Double insult is heaped on them by the child not even being theirs. And as before, men are being forced to raise children that are not their own. It's disgusting.

>>49299821
>outcast from human & elven societies
>nobody fucking likes them

Sure, that's why D&D has them be the diplomats between elves and humans. And that's why they gain 1 charisma from just being half-elves.

And that is why they also have the chance to gain proficiency in diplomacy.

I give this bait a 6/10 got me to post but not a lot.

>>49305255
>It's still their kid
>their kid's DNA is 100% different
No, no it's not.

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>>49301190
Every day I meet up with my best friend who I am in love with and will never love me back and feel an immense pit of desire, loneliness, and regret in my heart.

>>49305305
Guess I know how to get you to quit any game then, since you'll treat any polymorph spell as a your character being killed since his DNA's all different.

>Women are being impregnated like this against their will. Double insult is heaped on them by the child not even being theirs. And as before, men are being forced to raise children that are not their own.
Who's children are they? Pray tell me. When the man's fucking the woman and she's getting pregnant, how is that getting impregnated against their will (barring rape etc)?

>>49305361
>Who's children are they?
Who's DNA do they possess?

>How is that against their will?
The women didn't consent for her baby to be transfigured into someone elses.

>>49305361
To be honest anon, I think you're the only person in the world who wouldn't find something morally wrong with this scenario (Is that really what it is in canon?)

Why is always half elf half human?

Why are there no half elf half orcs? Or half elf half dwarves?

>>49305387
Dwarves are not considered traditionally attractive by most people and therefore the writers didn't consider that some elves or humans might decide to marry a dwarf and produce offspring. Nobody into shortstacks has yet to achieve creative control over any fantasy setting.

As far as Orcs, it's because Orcs are basically all evil rapists but don't live anywhere close to elves in most of these settings. And even if they did produce children, they'd probably be called half-orcs anyway.

>>49299821
That is literally the exact opposite of their fluff in D&D.

>>49305305
Geeze, you probably don't even love your wifes son.

>>49305387
>Or half elf half dwarves?

Scandalous!

>>49305373
>who's DNA?
Probably half the mother's and half the fathers, with certain bits modified sufficiently to be a half-elf.
>consent
I bet even before the transformation the woman didn't consent for having a chance of the baby being short sighted or superbly dextrous or chance to be born with red hair (assuming both parents have those latent genes).

>>49305387
It's not, it's literally a two line sentence in the book about genetic change.

I'm just trying to see what exactly it is that makes people so disgusted at the idea of their kids having a chance to have pointy ears and a higher lifespan, or being taller and with a better constitution.

Why are people thinking DNA is anything but a genetic template, and being proud of it, as if that's what makes them so fantastic? If I could write short-sightedness and asthma out of my own body, or even for my kids, I'd do it in a second. It wouldn't change who I am or what I do.

>>49305481
>Probably half the mother's and half the fathers, with certain bits modified sufficiently to be a half-elf.
You just said, and I'll quote:
>Incidentally, the gods lied. It's nothing to do with genetics at all. Both species have been blessed/cursed so that 1 out of every 5,000 unborn babies are polymorphed into half elves permanently and unnoticeably.
>It's still their kid, but their kid's DNA is 100% different.

So which is it? Is it genetics? Or polymorphing into someone completely different?

>>49305481
The issue isn't with the idea of your kid being a half-elf. Nobody would be complaining if you said, for example, that a guy with an elvish grandfather and a girl with an elvish grandfather but who both looked human ended up producing a child together that in all appreciable ways resembles a half-elf.

The two issues being taken were one, an argument about the genetic impossibility of half-elves coming from your example, and two, a complaint against the violation of rights presented by someone magically altering your genetics.

>>49305481
Nature is just as important as nurture to who you are, sometimes even more so.

>>49305500
Honestly, I hadn't even read the passage in question.
Actual quote from the book:

>As in other worlds, half-elves are often the result of a union between an elven and a human parent. But in the Dragon Empire, half-elves are also sometimes born to both humans and elves without contact with the other race.

>In a past age, the first Dragon Emperor and the Elf Queen allied to destroy the wizard who later became the Lich King. After their great victory, half the children born to both humans and elves for the next twelve years were halfelves. Neither the Emperor nor the Queen claimed responsibility for the event. They both said that it was a spontaneous magical consequence of the great victory the peoples had won together.

Looks like it was a magical explosion accident that did it and it sometimes just happens.

>>49305481
>Why are people thinking DNA is anything but a genetic template, and being proud of it, as if that's what makes them so fantastic?

Because they've got absolutely nothing else going for them.

They think the fact that they share their species with badasses and geniuses makes them a badass genius too, instead of just some prick leeching off other people's achievements. They think that because other members of their genetic in-group have done shit that deserves respect, that they too deserve respect by proxy.

In short, they feel entitled to pride simply by the accident of their birth, instead of anything they've actually accomplished themselves.

>>49305544
That's idiotic. What purpose would doing that even serve to the setting? What does that do to the people's genetics?

Also, it looks like it was a temporary event that only lasted for twelve years, and not a permanent alteration to the people like you lead me to believe.

>>49305555
Nobody ever claimed greatness for being human nor hatred against half-elves. See >>49305516 for the actual problems had with the situation.

>>49305558
So, does the actual canon make you feel any better or worse about the situation?

Do you still think that the kids born that way are not the parent's kids but someone else's? (if not earlier poster thinking that, please ignore query)

Do you really want a genetic explanation for a magical lich's explosion's effect that gods were involved in, and would it change your mind about the situation?

>>49305579
>So, does the actual canon make you feel any better or worse about the situation?
Nope. Back to square one, since it's the same net result as them doing it on purpose, though less blame lies on their feet.

>Do you still think that the kids born that way are not the parent's kids but someone else's?
Depends what it does to their genetics.

>Do you really want an explanation
Yes. You can magic someone's baby into a mutant, but you can't magic it into a crossbreed without explaining what that does to their relation to their parents and where the DNA is coming from.

>>49299821
Fuck that racist shit man I'd bang a half elf in a heartbeat. So their ears are a little pointy, who cares? It's not like they are some horrid carnifexian amalgamation or something. Still kinda iffy on half orcs though, that one might crush my pelvis.

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>>49304973

WAIT! Calling the council of /tg/: Is it half-rape if it's a half-elf?

>>49305592
>Depends what it does to their genetics.
1: A tiny magic spell goes around altering parts of the parent's genetic structure so they are now basically half elves, but don't get any physical benefits out of it. Their kids have a chance to be half elves.

2: A tiny magical spell goes around altering unborn baby's genetics so that they're half elves. This only happens every once in a while.

3: Changelings abduct sleeping kids in hospital beds and replace them with soulless half elf clones.

Take your pick.

>>49305642
I think it would be more like double rape, because you're raping equal parts of 2 different races.

>>49305592
>Yes. You can magic someone's baby into a mutant, but you can't magic it into a crossbreed without explaining what that does to their relation to their parents and where the DNA is coming from.
Why is it so? You can get exact replica of a crossbreed DNA via mutation. DNA does not 'belong' to an individual in a sense that only his children can get the same DNA and everyone who is born with the same genes is automatically becomes his child.
What's so different between random genetic mutation and mutation towards some specific DNA template, which may or may not belong to any actual living creature?

>>49305655
This is non-canon. I only really care about the canon, since I'm trying to decide how much I hate the setting. But to humor you:

1 is a violation to body sanctity.

2 renders the children as not belonging to the parents, and presents all the issues I told you about above.

3 has the same problems as 2.

>>49305712
Because they're being altered specifically towards a target. It requires some higher explanation as to the mechanics of it to make sense. On top of that, a full on racial change is a far bigger deal than the majority of visible mutations, which are generally the product of a relatively small number of actual mutations in DNA. Normally some errant deletion or mistranslation happened to a particularly important bit of genetics. The scale is different.

>>49305728
>2 renders the children as not belonging to the parents, and presents all the issues I told you about above.

If the genetic transformation into half elf happened when the kid is 45 and has already had kids of their own with another beautiful human girl while having a productive job in the fish market trading squid, would that suddenly render the kid who's been brought up by their parents and had human kids suddenly not belonging to his parents?

Would he suddenly be a different person that the parents should shun and discommunicate him for?

Should he shun HIS current kids because they now don't share his DNA?

What about any kids that his half-elf balls fuck into his wife? Should he shun any future spawn?

I'm just trying to see what you think of these scenarios here.

Depends on setting.

>>49305728
>Because they're being altered specifically towards a target.
So, do I get it right that your main problem is implied conscious force that purposefully mutates offspring towards a target, and natural mutation is ok only because it is just how things normally are?
If so, alright then. While I personally don't feel that way, I understand where are you coming from.

>>49305750
He would no longer be their child genetically speaking.

He would be a different person genetically and changes may happen to his physiology as the altered DNA expresses itself in the limited fashion it can at his age.

They are no longer his genetically.

Those would be the offspring of his new self.

You should just come out and ask how I feel about adoption, since I think that's the main part of this that's upsetting you.

>>49305788
More or less. I'd feel that people regularly mutating to be so distant from their parents genetically would be a problem in and of itself, but it'd be hard to call that natural mutation.

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>>49299905
>Calling out passive-agressiveness by being passive-agressive
>Using "passive-agressive"
You were born in this millenium, weren't you?

>>49305801
>You should just come out and ask how I feel about adoption, since I think that's the main part of this that's upsetting you.

Not quite. I'm actually wanting to ask you about genetic modification, rather than adoption. I can see why adoption can be an issue, but the issue with genetic modification is beyond me.

>>49305829
I have no problems with genetic modification that all effected parties agreed to. Consent was not acquired here.

In Red Tide, there are no half-elves, but there are elves reborn inside human bodies instead of regular elven bodies (elves can never reach the afterlife, they just keep respawning as a punishment for trying to become gods).

Scions, they are called. They're humans, but they got all the cool shit the Elves get, plus they're not going to reincarnate and will eventually ascend to heavens (or hell). People don't really notice the difference, and elves are like "oh you cheeky fucker, how did you do it?"

So yeah, no bullies.

Half-Shou, which are Half-orcs, get most of the bullying though. Without accounting for regular shou.

In any case, Half-orc has always been the "bullied/bully" race in my old AD&D games. Well except that there's no bullies in my gaming group because we're both secure and not-jerks.

>>49305829
>>49305847
So you guys would be the kind of people who decide to have a green-eyed, brown-haired, X nose shape kid but would still have trouble with seeing, say, an unconventional and abnormal but psychology stable individual with his orphan adopted kids?

>>49305866
No. I feel like in-utero alteration of a fetus should be limited solely to objectively beneficial and vital changes. Such as removing the risk of a genetic disease. Designer babies altered solely for vanity's sake are immoral. I also take no issue with willful adoption of children that both parents have consented to. No consent was acquired in this situation.

>>49305885
>No. I feel like in-utero alteration of a fetus should be limited solely to objectively beneficial and vital changes.
Is consent needed or desired for such objective beneficial changes?

>>49305907
Consent from the parents is desired. Consent from the embryo or fetus is not.

>>49305885
Ok, that makes sense, I agree with you on that.
I thought you were talking about cosmetic stuff, thus my prior inclination toward rudeness.

>>49305918
In which case I end my questioning, my curiosity along these lines sated. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this purely hypothetical matter.

In a wholly unrelated question, would you be OK with having kids who live supernaturally long lives and with slightly pointed ears? If you ever get a lover who you may procreate with, please ask her the same question.

>>49305935
If my wife was an elf, I'd have no problem with having half-elf children. If she was not, I would obviously have a problem with her being impregnated by some mystical force with a half-elf.

>>49305481
>or being taller and with a better constitution
There are some settings in which elves are taller than humans. Just saying.

>>49300732
I used to live in the boonies and when I was about 3 years old I stared down a hole in the ground and a big sandy brown snake launched out of it at my face and in fear I flailed and smacked it out of the air, to this day I remember seeing it's mouth like an inch from my eye. Then I ran away and cried into my mom's lap for like an hour.

Fast forward 12 years I'm walking through the woods and I notice something weird in the grass a few feet away, just as I stop to get a look at it a blue racer launched towards my shin and I react by buckling my legs and lamming my hand down with my full weight. Before I realized it I had snapped the thing's spine and it was just weakly flailing about from halfway up, the bottom half just completely limp. I had to behead it with an ax to put it out of its misery and I still feel kinda bad about it to this day because it was obviously just scared.

Anecdotal, but hey, catching (okay smacking) snakes midstrike proved useful not once but twice in my life so far, that's more than I can say for trigonometry.

>>49304370
Not that guy, but I've been here for ten years, and you whiny teenagers only seem more ridiculous to me every day.

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>>49301190

That would be last week.

See, the whole barbarian romanticism thing is bullshit, and has always been bullshit, as anyone who has studied any history will tell you, dude. Societies will say this right up until they have the chance for some actual civilization, at which point people will jump into it with both legs. Safety and organization does not in any way preclude "feeling" or "achievement" or whatever the fuck the idiocy you're prattling about is.

People right now are not dissaffected because our society is "too safe". People right now are dissaffected because of the *exact fucking opposite*. People are tense and angry and don't know what to do because shit is breaking down, and there are no longer certainties and securities that people twenty years ago took for granted, and the world is complex and difficult and the mechanisms that were supposed to help them deal with it all are breaking under the stress of time and a changing world.

So basically, go fuck yourself with the stupid luddite "lol cities are bad learn to make arrows and punch snakes" bullshit and come back when you have an actual solution for the actual things that have people panicking, lost, and angry.

A half elf has an advantage with bullying (as an elf would see it) because their size attracts attention while charm deflects aggression during an encounter.

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>>49306537
>z is drawn as -z
Fucking triggered.

Dragon lance, a very well established setting by this point, kind of set the tone for me on that:
Half-elves are generally just unstable people. If I remember correctly, they stated they would have mental issues like bursts of anger and almost scizo levels of outbursts, because the fiery human blood and the calm magical elf bloody boiled over sometimes.

So in that case it would make sense. No matter how nice they seem, elves will always look down on humans and bastardizing a half-elf child is like watching some thug bedazzle a glock with the queens jewels. Humans on the other hand wouldnt give a shit, except the whole being difficult to deal with from mental issues, and alot of humans take out disdane from knowing the elves look down on them, on these poor guys.

Depends on your setting, but thats how I run it.

>>49305387
Elves would never fuck a dwarf. Never ever. Even if they tried, nothing would come of it.

And elves are probably just dickish enough about purity to kill orcish half-elf babies. Though I think technically the child of an elf and an orc is a half-orc rather than a half-elf, because the orc side is more dominant and the elven bits only get expressed about as much as a human's would be.

>>49307912
>Even if they tried, nothing would come of it
Why?

>>49307969
Because Gary Gygax said so, that's why.

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>>49307969
At least in most settings, dwarves and elves are made by different gods and end up rivals for that reason. It's reasonable to assume that these gods wouldn't want their chosen races to procreate with each other. In D&D, that's usually why humans can fuck orcs and elves equally, since they don't have a known creator deity.

And in my own setting, they're made of different elements, so they cancel each other out too much. Elves were made from air and water, dwarves were made from fire and earth.

>>49307989
I don't like this explanation. And not every setting was created by Gygax.

>>49308098
Shouldn't that mean that half-dwarfs should be a thing, too?

>>49308118
Dwarves are far too much traditionalists and conservative to have children with a younger race.

>>49308153
Elves aren't liberal hippies either. Bringing up politics doesn't help as well. Half-dwarf is something that must have happened at some point.

>>49307565

Wouldn't that depend entirely on the perspective you look at the graph at?

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>>49308199
>Elves aren't liberal hippies

>>49304948
>pregnancy is a risk and not a blessing
Child detected.

>>49308199
Compared the dwarves, elves are pretty liberal, especially since there are so many different varieties. A wood elf sunning herself might get happened upon by a handsome human and be up for a little fun, a drow might capture a bunch of humans and keep them all as pets. Dwarves only have the traditionally minded variants, who care too much about their clans and ancestors to do things in a whim, because the shame of a half-dwarf would resound back and cause shame on the whole clan.

>>49305046
>CRAZY BULLSHIT MAGIC IS NOT HOW GENETICS WORK HURRRR

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>>49308361
>human
>handsome
I will never understand this. What am I talking, this self-insert power-fantasy. But, no, this pretty much depends on the setting. The same wood elf might be part of a close-knit tribe of xenophobic assholes that will view that human as an intruder.
Also
>implying only liberals want to have sex

And this isn't even what I want to talk about. Give me one good reason why half-elves exists and half-dwarfs don't.

>>49308470
Epic memes, I wish I could upvote.

>>49308333

>Doesn't remember his urge to keep siblings out the nest.

Old fag detected.

>>49308364
Yeah, it's almost like it's bullshit.

>>49304522
Defo looks like that doesn't it

>>49308441

Half-dwarves do exist in Dark Sun.

...Mulls or something.

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>>49308538
You are right, forgot about those.

>>49308605

Honestly, if a player wanted to play a mixed race anything already in setting, my question would always be about what they wanted from the character's racial background.

In my Generic Fantasy Theme Park Europe #54235 setting, half-elves aren't really bullied in areas with human and elven population since the elves are flowery cunts who claim that having a child with someone is the ultimate act of love. Half-elves still have a hard time since elves aren't considered adults until they're around 80-100 years old and half-elves mature at the same rate as humans until they reach 20, but mature very slowly after that, living up to 300 years which is "die young" amongst elves and "holy fuck he lives forever" amongst humans. They are also mules with only a small portion of them able to have children, making them undesirable partners for marriage in most human settlements.

>>49308333
Or a parent.

>>49308792
In the case of Muls?
Insane stats, I'd wager.

>>49299821
The opinions of half elves vary by race and country.
>Growing human empire
Half elves are looked down upon as a reminder of when the Elves carved out a massive empire and dominated humanity. Generally they are treated as inferior and have almost no legal protection.
>Diverse league of city states
Half elves are seen mostly as normal citizens although they tend to be shunned by members of the leading families as they are generally from the lower classes or the children of concubines or mistresses as people tend to marry within their race for political reasons.
>Remnant of the old elf empire
Half elves are uncommon and generally kept as slaves or servants by noble families as status symbols due to their rarity. Outside of that they are generally seen as exotic but overall inferior to the elf majority. Pretty much wanting to fuck a half elf is normal, wanting to marry a half elf and have kids with them makes you a weirdo or pariah.

Outside of those three states half elves are extremely rare as those countries are where elves and humans tended to be in the closest proximity. Outside of those regions half elves are more of a curiosity than anything else, like an African merchant showing up in medieval England he probably won't face outright discrimination but will probably get a ton of stares and some hushed talking about him as he walks by from strangers.

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>>49308209
Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-hand_rule

>>49299821
I'm half asian, half white, and yes we are made for bullying.

>>49300574
Are half elves sterile according to the official rules?

>>49302436
This so much. I worked a shit ton of crappy jobs during the summers up through college, and Amy time i find myself dissatisfied with my cushy, benefit providing desk job, i just remind myself how shitty the unskilled blue collar work out there really is

>>49309753
It's never stated that they are, and I'm sure at least one official character has been the child of a half-elf.

>>49301190
I feel a mix of amusement, despair, and hunger right now, actually.

It is a good pain.

>>49299821
An elf is an elf. You can't say it's only a half.

>>49310404

Well yeah you can, there are numerous physical differences between a half-elf and elf.

Namely the faces are less angular, their proportions are thicker and more generous, and their eyes are typically human.

>>49305555
Hard to be proud of anything else when it's always "oh, you were reading at college level in sixth grade? No one cares!" or "Oh, you used to help your older brother with his homework? No one cares!" or "You've learned how to sculpt with bronze, collected fossils, and even been on local TV all before you can drink beer? No one cares!"

You run out of things anyone will let you be proud of, and then YOU come along.

And what's the point of doing anything after that?

>>49299821
Was Tanis bullied?

>>49310440

Ah, half-elves lack those weird pupil shapes elves have?

>>49308441
It's not 'liberals are always up for sex,' it's just that dwarves have very traditional values. They value the strength of their culture and customs, which is intrinsically tied to their race. They value their methods of courtship, which are only undertaken with members of their own race. They value their skill at crafts, which in their minds other races cannot possibly compare to and any half-dwarf would be shunned from society for their lack of true value.

>>49311399
That's fine and dandy, but nobody is questioning whether dwarfs are conservative or not.

>>49299821
Any half-breed/mixed race individual in the history of all mankind has been subjected to persecution/exclusion, or at best, disdain.
Our RPGs usually reflect our own social order (res publica) so it's pretty straightforward.

Again, first post best post.

>>49311472
But people are questioning why dwarves wouldn't have sex with humans or elves. The simple, slightly uncomfortable answer is ideals of racial purity brought about by conservatism and traditionalism. They're very proud of their accomplishments as a race and what their race as a whole can do that other races cannot, whereas elves are proud of their race, but consider this to make them uniquely special as individuals. They also tend to enjoy wandering and experiencing, and where dwarves would see a human's lifespan as an indicator that they'd never really learn anything good, an elf would see it as a welcome chance for a new perspective and an amusing naivete.

>>49299821
In my game, only Elves hate half-elves. Humans see them in one of three ways, arousal, intrigued or fascinated. There is no in between.Then again, I do give my players some pretty bs powers so people will be less inclined to fuck with them.

>>49311547
This is a nice interpretation but I'm unsure if this would really lead to an ideology of racial purity. And if you think about it, at some point in history of fantasy lands it should have happened. I might just throw the word "rape" into this discussion, even if it means opening a can of worms. Even without that, wandering dwarfs are a thing, adventurering dwarfs are a thing, and you know how adventurers can be, outcast dwarfs are a thing, probably for whatever reason, humans with shortstack fetish and probably dwarfs with a fetish for langlets are a thing.

Statistically it should have happened.

>>49300949
Seriously? What is this, Brave New Fucking World? Because it isn't. Everyone only seems to be emotionless because you're too autistic to empathise with them. Literal autism, not 4chan autism. Go get some help, for your own good.

>>49301190
Literally all the time. Look up something called Schizoid Personality Disorder - Schizoids don't want to talk to people, and go out of their way to avoid feeling things. That's you.

>>49301490
This misanthropy couldn't be any worse.

>>49301513
Speaking of nihilism, remember that Nietzsche said the best thing to do was to live your life so that, if you had to relive it for eternity, you would enjoy it. Now go live your life.

>>49305335
Music recommendation time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoOG7LEyUJ0

>>49311661
You can see ideologies of racial purity being related to nationalistic pride in real world humans and romanticized past - and not even in the most negatively considered contexts, like Nazism. Eugenics used to be considered far more legitimately in many parts of the world.

Let's drop for a moment that in a fantasy world sometimes the impossible ends up possible - logically, the drow shouldn't be surviving, but somehow they do - and that the reverse could easily also hold true, the seemingly possible somehow being an impossibility. There's still a possibility that even if humans and dwarves were to have sex, they simply wouldn't be able to have a baby. You could explain this in a number of ways - the gods won't allow it, the souls of humans and dwarves are too dissimilar and a 'shared' soul can't be made for the baby, the races just weren't created with procreation with each other in mind while humans and elves were, because someone had a fascination with pointy ears instead of stocky bodies.

Or if they had a baby, maybe it would be so abhorrent either parents or even both might not want it to live - the dwarf seeing it as an abomination as to what dwarves are, the human seeing it as distinctly inhuman. In the case of orcs and dwarves, a dwarf might be all the more willing to simply kill the baby, because a half-orc dwarf would be especially abhorrent to them, not just not dwarfy enough, but a corruption of what is dwarfy.

Make them sterile. This way, they and their unions are scorned by most people as they cant inherit lands, keeping dynasties going, or the legacy of the family.

>>49311758
Is there any philosopher more widely misunderstood than Nietzsche? It seems like dumb teens who want to be nihilistic flock to him while ignoring almost everything he said.

>>49310365
Masochism, fuck yeah!

>>49312038
All those explanations would also work for elves and humans and I never saw this ever brought up for humans and dwarfs, so I will just assume that Tolkien did it and nobody that self-inserts as a dwarf wants to fuck an elf.

>>49312115
What if that was his plan all along?

>>49312115
At least they don't misunderstand him as much as Hitler did. I wish people would actually read him before quoting though.
Back in my teenage years, I decided to read Nietzsche just to be edgy. At first, I misunderstood him immensely and thought we were the Last Men. Then I read some more, the bits about Dionysus and Apollo and eternal recurrence. Slowly, I realised that I should stop moping and start living, something that helped me realise we aren't that bad. As long as we still try to achieve things - even if we fail and collapse into depression - at least we're still feeling things.

>>49301190
I've gotten to the point where the everyday pains of life just remind me that I'm alive.
Anyone got that reaction image of Patrick from Spongebob drawing a katana in the rain?
That's my feeling right now.
Also I haven't been able to find it and it's been bugging me for a while.

Everything is an illusion, free will doesn't exist, nothing has a purpose. Now let's go watch TV.

>>49299869
Half-Orcs are hated by civilized societies because of their Orc blood, but apparently they're a precious resource for Orcs and used as commanders and leaders because they're not nearly as dumb as the average Orc.

>>49312177
Elves and humans are similar in some manners of appearance and even in culture and perception - enjoyment of life and the world around them, appreciation for art, eagerness to explore, things like that. It's not enough that they always align, but it's enough that when they do have a child together, the child is not outright destroyed. Though a half-elf invariably does not fit in with the elves or the humans, growing up too quickly for the former and too slowly for the latter.

But really, yes, Tolkien did it. He had Aragon get his cute elven waifu and they had a kid together, and dwarves and elves didn't. And since everyone cribbed off of Tolkien, the idea of dwarves even being sexualized didn't come until much later. Seriously, there is so little good dwarf women art and porn out there, compared to plenty of sexy elves as far back as the 80s. And now, the idea of changing that is kind of strange - it's change for the sake of change, and no one is sure what to do with the idea.

>>49312331
You do realize your two sentences contradict each other implicitly, right?
But TV sounds nice, so I'm not going to argue with you too much.

>>49312214
>Friedrich Nietzsche plans to cause chaos in the world by giving many thousands of teenagers existential crises
I know I'd do it if I was in his position. He's playing the long game.

>>49299821

I want to protect that Elf and give it a nice homecooked meal.

>>49312856
Marcille ain't all sunlight and flowers.

>>49312924

That's ok, just have to make sure her ears don't get fat and gets into the Royal Magic Society.

>>49312945
You might wanna read the last few chapter of Dungeon Meshi.

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>>49312967
Marcille did nothing wrong, though.

>>49312992
I didn't say she was wrong, I said she's not as noble and nice as she appears.

>>49299908
When the hell did Shadowrun get half-elves? This some of that SURGE crap?

>>49312967

New chapter out?

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>>49313034
I think we are all talking about chapter 27.

>>49313027

I think he's making shit up. There's no "half" races in SR from what I can recall. You either are or you aren't.

>>49301713
>Not caving in the head of a saber tooth after it mauls you three-fourths to death with a satified smile on your face as you fade away
Faggot

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>>49299821
Ah, the half-Elfen abominations. Clear symbols of man's failure and his original sin, allowing those bestial urges to overtake his sense thus transforming him into a wretched monster driven only by the pleasures of the flesh. Such monstrosities should've been killed at birth lest we risk the Elfen seed overtake our grand society.

Do you want Phallic shaped architecture? Do you desire becoming naught but slaves to slutty women who won't even touch you? Do you want everyone from the lowliest Kobold to the greatest Dragon to crack cruel japes about humanity when our back is turned? NAY!

The Half-Elf is just as degenerate and abominable as the Elfen sluts that birthed and should be killed wherever it is found, or else we shall become the new Elf.

>>49306684
True. We as a civilization are declining and have too many parallels to Rome in it's Twilight. It always seems to be when people grow too comfortable, a stronger race (often less advanced and dim witted) conquers the formerly strong civilization with ease. This can happen in a myriad of ways as can be observed in 4'th Century Europe as the Germans were allowed into the Empire en masse. This is mirrored in 21'st Century Europe with the Moslems, who share many traits with the Germanic Barbarians who came before.

Both came in fleeing from a stronger tribe. Both have Death Cults. Both Roman and European women blow off their effeminate native men (though there are exceptions, like the frontiersmen of Roman Britain or the Slavs of today) in favor of these new exotic tribesmen.

As for a solution, there may not be one. When civilizations tend to decline, the root cause often is something that has stayed with it since it's foundation. Something that nobody may notice until it's to late. Something so small and insignificant, like a small crack growing in a window until alas it shatters.

>implying any of this /pol/ talk matters when entropy is gnawing at the entire universe as we speak and the Sun itself will be gone before anyone knows it

>>49299821
Entirely depends. If the people are known for being dicks, the yes, they are supposed to treat anybody not them (human/dwarf/from their society) like shit. On the other hand unless it's explicitly said, then it's entirely up to the GM to decide.

Then again would the community bully a half-elf they know is/have heard rumors of being an adventurer with a few notches on their belt?

>>49309423

Yup.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/convention

>>49314024
I don't understand this post. Are you saying that something which is a convention isn't valid? That the "rule, method, or practice established by usage" is meaningless?
Are you one of the people that thinks that the theory of evolution is wrong because "it's just a theory"?

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>>49304922
well the way 5e tells it. human elf "meatings" tend to not be productive. since a half elf is likely to go his whole life without seeing another of his kind, unless he's a pc.

>>49314235

That is not how the Minotaur was made.

That is also not how the centaur was made.

>>49314307
Be glad they got Pikachu right.

>>49299908
Try Tolkien, as in the most famous fantasy setting

Half elves literally only happen when god himself personally allows it, and they're demigods by any other name.

>>49306102
Same. Been here since '04, and this cynicism has only become more laughable.

>>49314148

A convention is a trend used for quick reference and clarity.

Not a "this is how things should always be no matter what no variation"

>knife ears think he got it bad for his ancestry

>>49316381
>whites think they got it bad for their ancestry

>>49312357
You just got me thinking, imagine a setting where orcs do the stereotypical "rape humans & elves" thing, but it's because half-orcs are so treasured. So the orcs consider other, smooth-skin races to be much more beautiful / handsome than their own, but in their stupidity and rage they think the only chance they can get to be close to a smooth-skin is by raping them (probably true, considering the other races' views towards orcs).

With rape the orcs get to fuck something beautiful, and then afterwards they get a half-breed that is still orcish and loyal to their race (since other races wouldn't look favorably towards something that's 50% orc & the product of rape), but has some of the beauty and intelligence of the "higher" races, allowing them to become highly regarded leaders that help bring forth periods of prosperity.

>>49319715
>You just got me thinking, imagine a setting where orcs do the stereotypical "rape humans & elves" thing, but it's because half-orcs are so treasured. So the orcs consider other, smooth-skin races to be much more beautiful / handsome than their own, but in their stupidity and rage they think the only chance they can get to be close to a smooth-skin is by raping them (probably true, considering the other races' views towards orcs).

Anon, you're one "and having the baby means they can't get shipped back to Orc Land" away from describing Africans and Middle Easterners in Europe.

>>49299821
Do you think green slime has a tangy taste?

>>49299821
I want to feed that half elf.

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>>49311943
This morning my flirting got through a bit more. Eventually I'll break him down.

First I need to remove his strong belief in god.

I should make a campaign around this, a paladin trying to impress a girl with excessive feats of strength and displays of love.

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>>49321745
>another magus' bride reader

yay, more people on /tg/ should be reading this, good for weird magical shit and the pet feels

>>49323700
It's such a great manga isn't it.

>>49326066
I don't see why this thread couldn't just die.

>>49299908
Jap settings generally don't have half-elf bullying.

>>49321745
If you're a guy and he's shown a good amount of interest in women in the past, it's best to just give up now.

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>>49299821
They're made for paladins and bards.

Just like half-orcs

>Stupid sexy half-breeds

>>49330194
>>49330228
Do you get payed to keep this thread alive?

>>49300892
that series is fucked up, and rem is best girl

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>>49326066
yup!

Why does this thread get a bump every three hours?

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>>49332195
fookin sheep bees! The creature designs in this are incredible, even the dragons have their own unique little looks.

>>49332261
>three hours
I meant two hours, sorry.

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>>49332276

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>>49330318
>Cute oni meido gives you the longest proposal ever after you tell her to run away with you
>That emboldens you to get dat half-elf booty instead
The fucking MC i swear

>>49332261
There are several people who live on threads until they autosage like some kind of parasite. See also the "skirmish" threads and towergirls.

>>49332324
Oh no! How can we stop this?

>>49332324
honk honk, op here, bump limit is 300 right? goodnight all.

>>49332342
>bump limit is 300 right?
Nope

>>49332342
311 I believe.

>>49332342
So it's an OP that wants to see his thread reach the post limit like it's some kind of accomplishment.