'Don't die on me now father, the imperium still ne

How would one make a Great Crusade era list?

Lots of MkII and MkIII, as well as a good amount of Cataphractii, of course. But what else?

Where's the cheapest place to get b@c in the uk, including vat and shipping
Asgard is the cheapest I've found so far but Elemental Games is only 75p more and I can get metallic spray and green stuff there

Do we know what Golg looked like apart from wearing cataphracti plate and having a metal lid

>>49298479
Book 1 let Fulgrim have great crusade options but they dropped the ball after that
Basically just stuff that canonically happens during the great crusade, so Primarchs are no longer factioned as there are no factions to take

Although word bearers would be iffy as you still have some loyalist elements during even the heresy I believe, and if you were running a great crusade they could only take the ghal vorbak in like the last few weeks of the campaign

>>49298549
>Word Bearers would be hard to portray during the great crusade
Well, obviously, since this is a wargame, as opposed to The Sims.

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>>49298710
But the early WB would still get the Ashen Circle and Chaplains. Maybe their LA rules would remain the same, just no access to their whole catalog of daemonic things.
And speaking of Catalogs...

>>49298431
/HHG/ goes as the subject, not as the name. And you didn't use pic related or any of its variants. REEEEEEEEEEE

>>49298823
Maybe I tried using the normal image but when I did it wouldn't make the thread, anyway it's still searchable if you type in HHG which is all that important

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>>49298859
If you say so.

>>49298431
Now that we are well underway the heresy, does anybody still plays Late Crusade anymore? Back in the day when Loyal vs Traitor was only a suggestion.

>>49298431
Thread titel in all capital letters except the 2nd E in General

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Can Boxnaughts still hold a candle to their larger Contemptor brethren?

I was told to ask here instead of the 40k thread.

I really want to get into warhammer, in space not fantasy, and I am wanting to know if there are any things I should avoid so that I don't piss people off.

I've had experiences in the past where it comes up that I am a woman and I either got into the game for a stupid reason, can't play well enough, or am just someone's girlfriend.

Are there any armies, cliches, or questions I should avoid at a LGS?

>>49299030
Tell us more about your LGS, is it a friendly meta or a competitive one?

>>49299030

What flavor of Marines are you interested in?

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>>49299030
Things to avoid:
Not showering.
Being overly rude.
WAAC- Win At All Costs
Playing Tau.
Not thinning your paints.
Not cleaning your moldlines.
Not having fun.

Now, you're interested in Emperor's Children, yes? But without all the Chaos-y bits attached to them.

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>>49299030
We all got here for a myriad of reasons. What's wrong with being a 30k woman?
>Are there any armies, cliches, or questions I should avoid at a LGS?
Don't bring 12 Phosphex rapiers and you won't be That Girl.

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>Reading online, finds information that the name Alpharius comes from star Alphard (evidence: the brightest star in Hydra constellation, supposedly has another, smaller star hiding behind it)
>Checks Alphard on Wikipedia
>"the traditonal name comes from Arabic 'al-fard', meaning 'the solitary one' "

The outcome of Praetorian of Dorn was out there all along, apparently.

>>49299030

40k General really should be the ones helping you. We're kind of a more elite group, and starting with 30k with no knowledge of 40k doesn't really work out that well.

With that in mind, Kill Team might help you somewhat.

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How cheesy is this kill team list? I never play 40k since all I do is collect but id like to use my new Death Watch models.

1x DW Sargent w. combi plasma and xenophase sword

1x DW w. shotgun and bolter instead of CCW

1x. DW w. stalker and bolter instead of CCW

1x. DW with infernus HB w. hellfire rounds

1x. DW w. cheese cannon

>>49299030
You're a human not a vagina so don't constantly mention it, don't make guns about 'ooh a girl's beating you', hook up after the game, be aware that some groups may have a no dating policy so they don't get split up, if a someone else brings up your gender don't immediately assume they're sexist, that's basically it

Oh and buy from discount online stores to save money and always be on the lookout for eBay, even if it is caked in paint you can strip it all off. Speaking of paint go to /wip and look up saint Duncan's videos there

>>49299074

They sent her here because she likes Emperor's Children but wants to play marines not purple cultists and daemons. Also apperently we are less spergy than them.

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>>49299072

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>>49299027

>>49299074
Anon, that's quite rude. She was pointed here because she likes 30k EC.

>>49299082
Wrong general, mate. You want 40k general, this is 30k brother.

>>49299099
>buy from discount online stores
yeah, if you want your LGS to close, ho ahead and do that

>>49299102

>Also apparently we are less spergy than them.

That's a joke and a half. We're just as Spergy. Even more sometimes.

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>>49299071
Don't forget bringing Fulgrim without informing your opponent.
>>49299030
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)

>>49299030
Here, take these! It's not safe to go alone.

Legion Army List
http://www.mediafire.com/?f0c2pnieoijyrqk

Legion book with legion rules and characters.
https://mega.nz/#!Jx1UGCTI!vMJN89z7p8tiEC7YOAj477g6RxDtJ7culVLF3q3godg

Warhammer 7th edition rulebook. Actual rules begin on page 454, iirc.
http://wh40klib.ru/codex/Actually_codex_and_rule/Rulebook_7-th_ed_Eng.pdf

>>49299053
I can't tell due to all of the technical language, and I didn't want to stay there and hover over them for an hour.

They seemed to be having fun, but there were some nerd rage moments.

>>49299068
EC, I freaking love the colors and the novel Fulgrim.

>>49299069
Yes, you must have seen my old post.
I am probably pure garbage at painting....

>>49299071
Good thing I don't know what those are.
There is real hate for just having tits and being in traditional male spaces. BEFORE you paint me as a SJW, that is all libtard crap and I disavow. However, I am just sensitive to hostility and it does exist a little bit.

>>49299074
I saw the new boxes with that, how is it different?

>>49299099
I don't really date, at all. So I won't assume sexism or anything as long as I am not singled out for it.

>>49299179
>>49299159
Awesome thank you

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>>49299143
>relying on local stores for anything apart from paint
Anyway clubs are far easier to run than stores
>>49299102
>30k
>less spergy
How many aquilla threads have we had again
>>49299082
<<40k
>>49298903
If you say so
>>49299071
I identify as trans-allegheny

>>49299186
Welcome to the Horus Heresy. You'll do fine here.

>>49299102
>she likes Emperor's Children but wants to play marines not purple cultists and daemons
So why not just run a “totally not EC successors guys" chapter, like the red scorpions?
I mean, at this point practically every traitor legion has such a successor, except for maybe the word bearers and SoH

>>49299186

Most people are more than happy for people to hover and ask questions, as long as you aren't touching models w/o permission.

Kill Teams is a small format that runs 200 pts max. (Normal 40k games run at around 1500-1850pts, Normal 30k games run at around 2000pts)

You can buy a box of marines for 40$ and have a decent casual killteam. Good way to get started.

>>49299186
>I am probably pure garbage at painting....
Don't worry lass, everyone starts somewhere. Try to look up guides, and maybe in the future Saint Duncan of Warhammer TV shall bless us with a how to paint Emperor's Children video.

Also ask /wip/ for painting and assembling advice, and check out Warhammer TV's Duncan Rhodes and his tutorials.

Anon is more than likely referring to Herald of Ruin: Killteam, which consists of fan made rules, Zone Mortalis, or Strike Forces. Some say they're good for starting out, some say they aren't. Eh. Fun's fun, in my opinion.

For starting an army, you're going to want to purchase te Betrayal at Calth box set. Assemble and paint each marine individually and record your progress on the /wip/ threads.

>>49299191
>searching on a phone
>not the correct general image
>doesn't have hhg visible
nah, you fucked up and can't do things properly.

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>>49299144
We need to reduce sperging levels and increase cozy levels. Tell me a story of how your last game went, /hhg/, it's raining outside my house and rain makes sleepy. Or tell me if you could change your legion's color scheme what would you change it to? I don't like Word Bearers but I'd change them into orange. Guys. Just imagine it. Betrayer's Orange.

>>49298431
I want to build an Iron Hands list because Iron Hands are the coolest.

Must Immortals really be taken in tens? I find it pretty bullshit that FW only sells them in fives if this is the case.

>>49299267
Eh, FW only sells everything in fives.

But realize this, the Iron Hands tactical marine set saves you approx. £50 due to all the crap they come with.

And this bothers me.

>>49299236
I like the purple and gold, would they still have that scheme?
>>49299244
I will have to try that.

>>49299253
So there is an official, and unnoficial version?

>>49299259

That is never going to happen. Butthurt IWfags, Butthurt Alphamemefags, Curze Shitposter(s), assorted other shitposter(s), it makes me miss the dubs Legion and Chicken Dinner days. By the time Inferno rolls around this will be a screaming wasteland and we'll never see book 7.

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>>49299159
True. Lords of War and those superheavies people get to bring as Heavy support squads should be previously announced.

Also, I like that artist, and the Primarch minis should be more like his drawings. Or at least Mortarion's. And he also did moustache Dorn IIRC.

>>49299179
Huh, several anons asked for those books several threads each, yet it only took a woman's plea to hand it ASAP.
Thank you, and thank her.
Whenever the next thread is due, don't forget to add those links to the OP.

>>49299186
>There is real hate for just having tits and being in traditional male spaces.
Wow, that kinda sounds like a shitty """F"""LGS if you ask me.
>BEFORE you paint me as a SJW, that is all libtard crap and I disavow. However, I am just sensitive to hostility and it does exist a little bit.
Don't be sensitive. Some people will treat you like a dude, dude. Grow a spine.
...See?
Don't expect compassion or kindness, but accept it if it shows up. Most people don't know how to even talk to a woman.

>I am probably pure garbage at painting....
Watch out, too much self-deprecation can be tiresome.

>>49299191
>I identify as trans-allegheny
And 25% Apache helicopter ancestry? Kek.
...gotta google for allegheny.

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>>49299302
I have a solution to the first two. It might be counter productive but is it possible to make to go into a Butthurt induced coma?

REDPILL ME ON 30K

>>49299298
Nah, Red Scorpions are grey and yellow. I'd say just stick with 30k and try out something like Zone Mortalis to get a feel for things before jumping into 3k points games and such.

>>49299324

Well, when the Forge World European Open Day rolls around in October and the IWs still haven't got anything while IFs get Huscarl Terminators, that will kill the IWfags.

As for Alphamemes, have Dorn kill Omegon as well. That'll really fuck them off.

>>49299298
>Purple and Gold
No, sorry. Which is why you were directed here, because the Emperor's Children are unique in their looks and color scheme. I assume you also like how ornate everything is on their special units and gear? That's a 30k thing for them.

>So there is an official, and unnoficial version?
Yes, however the official one is kinda meh for 30k, as in 30k units cost much more points than in 40k.

>Huh, several anons asked for those books several threads each, yet it only took a woman's plea to hand it ASAP. Thank you, and thank her.
I posted them last thread and a few threads ago. No one noticed.

>>49299328
Mate, using all caps and /pol/ memes will get you nowhere.

It's more balanced and there are no Tau. There.

>>49299298
>I like the purple and gold, would they still have that scheme?
I see no reason why not. Storm wardens are basically the world eaters color scheme but reveresed, so there's no reason it can't be done for EC. And blood ravens give no fucks, wearing nearly the exact same color scheme as they did when they were TS before the heresy.
Basically anything can be done for 40k, the real issue is fluffing it so it isn't to special snowflakey.
And with EC you already have the perfect chapter tactics through the red scorpions.

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>>49299186
Deathwatch are the Special Forces of the marine which are already demigods. So they're expensive pointswise but absolutely brutal. Small model count but high damage.

Just do what you want, read more fluff, paint a little and see if you like it. It all takes time. And yeah, definitely buy discount on ebay and the like. This hobby is too damn expensive for full price constantly.

Lastly, see if you can find any friends to play garagehammer with. Playing at LGS all the time gets tiresome. People are garbage.

>>49299191
Well, at least did what our collective asses would not and posted a new edition even when you were phoneposting, so I gotta hand it to you.
Cheers.
>>49299236
>So why not just run a “totally not EC successors guys" chapter, like the red scorpions?
Some dude was playing Shining Blades or something.
>>49299259
>it's raining outside my house and rain makes sleepy
It's nice when it rains. It makes me think about phosphex, however. Pools of liquid fire...
> I don't like Word Bearers but I'd change them into orange
Muh favrit color.
>>49299361
Is "redpill me on X" /pol/'s version of "Sell me on X"? Red pill like the Matrix' Blue & Red pills?

>>49299328
Manly marines, manly(?)cults, manly militias, manly space operators, manly technophiles and their robots are duking it out in the Thunder Dome.
>>49299348
I don't want to kill them. I want to them to become so Butthurt they can't become Butthurt anymore.

>>49299369
I don't know what the red scorpions are like, what is their specialty?

>>49299349
I will see how much it might cost to get into 30k.

>>49299395
Garagehammer meaning not at a LGS but with friends?

>>49299072
Spoiler for me?

>>49299428

Spoiler what?

Dorn kills Alpharius. The real one.

>>49299072
I don't get it.

>>49299397
>It's nice when it rains. It makes me think about phosphex, however. Pools of liquid fire..
You and I like different kinds of rain. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ebt0BR5wHYs
>>49299413
Their FW's object of lust, and they're big on purity. They have docmarines in charge of squads instead of sergeants I think.

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>>49299349
>Which is why you were directed here, because the Emperor's Children are unique in their looks and color scheme.
Not even close to true. There are multiple loyalist chapters who rock purple and gold, like this fellow of the hawk lords. The whole not having all the special bling is true, but that's the case for all 30k legions vs 40k equivalents.

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>>49299413
Red Scorpions are a FW chapter that is extremely focused on Geneseed Purity and has alot of Relic stuff that a second founding chapter should not have access to. They are heavily implied to be a successor chapter made up of Loyalist Emperor's Children.

>>49299413
Yes, table in a basement or garage. I play with 5 other dudes every weekend almost and we drink and smoke weed and play whatever we want. 30k or 40k. It's easy to learn with friends and use proxies when necessary and no one gets butthurt.

>>49299454

I'd love/hate to see what 30k on Weed would be like.

>>49299369
>Storm Wardens are basically the world eaters color scheme but reveresed
No, that's false. Storm Wardens are a metallic colored chapter, and their scheme isn't really that close to the Warhounds.

>Is "redpill me on X" /pol/'s version of "Sell me on X"? Red pill like the Matrix' Blue & Red pills?
Not really, more of "Explain X to me in a way that makes sense and why I should care about it." Such as why basketball Americans commit crime would be because of gang culture, or why guns actually DO prevent crime, etc.

>>49299413
>Playing with friends?
Pretty much, yeah. I honestly doubt Red Scorpions are what you're looking for though.

>will see how much it might cost to get into 30k.
So long as you're not Australian, it's only a bit more expensive than 40k, and since GW released Betrayal at Calth, which has huge savings for a 1,000+ point army as well as a pretty fun game.

>>49299454
>>49299462
Thanks, I tried an edible pot brownie once. I ended up sweating so much it was ridiculous.

>>49299468
I am american.

>>49299445
That guy's more of a crayon purple and yellow than gold.

>>49299413
>I don't know what the red scorpions are like, what is their specialty?
There perfectionist. Esspecially in regards to gene seed. As in, they really really like having the purest gene seed.
To the point where they like to put apothecaries anywhere and everywhere, to kepp the gene seed pure. Chapter tactics wise, they auto pass pinning tests but can't go to ground or take camo cloaks, and any tac serg or vet serg may take a narthecium for free.
FW loves them.

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>>49299478
Don't do drugs kiddies.

>>49299439
What the fuck!??!?!
Nobody noticed that shit?

>>49299478
>I am american
Well, that's good. No having to pay Australian/NZ prices for you then! Just remember to set your country to United States when looking at GW's shop, their stuff's prices vary by country/currency, and Australians pay premium due to being Australian.

Just remember that this is a pretty expensive hobby no matter what, but I find it relaxing, because painting the models and such is fun to me.

>>49299520

You haven't been here recently have you?

>>49299548
Different anon, But when did it happen?

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>>49299490
Heres the pre-heresy EC color scheme from the same edition.
Not too different, the color being a crayon purple and yellow is mostly because they don't bother with all the fancy and nice colors in the color scheme part appearently.

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>>49299444
>>49299447
I like how they handle the concept of a pet character. Sure, they may be a little obnoxious due to having preferential tratment by FW, but Carab Culln has gone from Vet Sgt to Captain to Chapter Master, and he'll be a Leviathan in the new IA "Mechanicum vs Those Fucking Tau" book, which I can't wait for it to finally be published.

>>49299520
>>49299568
There were ALfags and other false flaggers gone wild.

>>49299548
I stopped reading HH around Vengeful Spirit.

>>49299568

When Praetorian of Dorn was released. The sheer butthurt of Alpha Legion fans was a terrible and beautiful sight to behold.

>>49299577
>THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM
Warlord Titan Culln when?

>>49299462

You definitely have slower games. But usually I can make it through fine, definitely forget a special rule here and there. It's part of our psychic phase. Gotta cast those spells bruh.

>>49299596
Probably never. I imagine he sacrifices himself/goes crazy at the end of Fires of Cyraxus and the other new character takes over as official Chapter Master.

>>49299593
>>49299587
That makes me sad, I loved the whole twin thing but that was it. Whelp, Thanks guys.

Least there Primarch did something then dying right off the fucking bat.

how do i make myself sit down and read the books?
I got to where Loken was inducted into the top 4 lunar wolves before falling asleep and putting the book on the shelf

>>49299624

Audio Books?

>>49299624
Read the good books, pump yourself full of 40k goodness

>>49299478

Betrayal at Calth is probably your best bet then.
150$ gets you 30 Tacticals, 5 Terminators 2 Characters and a Monopose Contemptor Dread

GW reboxed them for 150 for the Tacs alone

You may or may not use the Dread but Big models like dreads are nice to practice painting on and lets you have some time to get a color scheme you like set up and learn how to paint it.

>>49299577

I want to see the rules on that assault cannon arm and I want to know how many I can take.

>>49299601

I can imagine some really hillarious shit would happen, like narrating the game, or pretending to be the Marines as you move them around, bitching and complaining. Or making sound effects whenever rolling to hit.

>>49299640
Audiobooks are always some shitty text to speech though
>>49299659
which ones are good, i thought i just had to trudge through all of horus heresy then pick others

>>49299668

.... I do that shit when i'm sober....

>>49299496
I'll have to check them out.
>>49299513
I wanted to enjoy it, but I didn't sadly.
>>49299540
I'll see what I can start out with, and hopefully not have to turn tricks for it.

>>49299668
>implying I don't already do that

>>49299672
Angel Exterminatus is my favorite so far. I've heard Betrayer is great.

What legion are you?

>>49299672
>Audiobooks are always some shitty text to speech though

Not black library ones. Also, the fuck? When was the last time you listened to an audio book, the 80s?

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New to 30k, but not 40k. Any explanation of the playstyles of the armies to help me make a decision?

>>49299684

Me too.

>>49299710
Check out 1d4chan.

>>49299236
well if she wants to play purple EC with EC fluff then 30k is really the only option, 40k EC are too pink and playing purple marines makes then not EC

>>49299665
>I want to see the rules on that assault cannon arm and I want to know how many I can take.
Twin linked Assault Cannon arm in 40k, I guess? And doesn't the Leviathan dread follows the "Relic of the Armoury" rule in 40k?
Srsly, I know the Red Scorpions (ayy) have a lot of 30k-issue stuff in their armouries due to being FW's pet chapter...but which is the canon reason?

I thought the "Fuck you, that's why" reason was already taken by the Minotaurs.

>>49299710
The armies play the same, yet different due to their legiones astartes rules, Rites of War, and special units.

Fists however, are quite similar to their 40k counterpart, but have one of the strongest melee beatstick characters in the game, the Emperor's Champion, Sigismund.

I'm assuming you play/interested in Fists from your pic.

>>49299729
Did you even read my post? The whole point was that practically every legion has a loyalist succesor. Given the precedent, there's no reason that one couldn't fluff up a loyalist successor of a traitor legion

>>49299749
Not that guy, the other newb here with an EC hardon.

I do like dorn, but the color seems hard to paint. What are the fists like for a noob?

>>49299672
>>49299703
But Fear to Tread's Audiobook version was so shitty I simply had to delete it from my phone, especialy since the female shipmaster, Horus, the aliens and the narrator all have the same fucking voice.
And Sanguinius' sounds like a tranny!

On the other hand, Butchers Nails...holy shit.
I still haven't deleted it, and I listen to it again from time to time.
I'm very glad those are Kharn's and Angron's canon voices.

Is that the difference between an audiobook and an audio drama? Because I want more of that.

Halp?

>>49299787
Yes Audiobooks and Audiodramas are different.

>>49299768
Fists are Vanilla: The Legion.
But really, they play how you want them to play. Every legion can play how you want them to play, so long as you yourself can make it work.

>>49299787

Audio Books are done by one guy. Audio Dramas are done by four or five, so they;re always better.

And I love Kharn's Russian voice. That's always how I've heard him. A really pissed off Russian.

>>49299672
Angel exterminatus and lightning tower were amazing imo

>>49299730
I believe they have their own forgeworld that still produces those stuff en masse.

>>49299768
EC are nice, they're a bit generalist in the same vein as Fists and UM but have more of an edge in CC so dont expect to win shootouts or prolonged assaults but rather pick your fights carefully because you want outmaneuver your opponent as you steamroll through his units and outflank a bunch of shit into his juicy backline.

>>49299730
Maybe perfectionists keep their stuff intact and don't let the priest just drown it in oil

>>49299749
Death Guard, actually. What are they like?

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>>49299795
>>49299801
So...you know some good audio dramas you recommend? Because I went to BL's page and it lists them together, and some merely say "Audio details pending".

>>49299850
The Death Guard favour a playstyle for a slow moving, but very hard hitting ranged army. Just like in the fluff, their rules make them implacable. Their famous endurance comes to bear, enduring in the face of both terrain and weapons that would lay low anyone else, being one of the few things immune to Fear in 30k they will keep going forward no matter what, perfect for attrition warfare.
Their RoWs give them access to a horrific amount of slow-moving but heavy-hitting firepower and, on top of having an easier time clearing out both tarpits and high toughness units due to their access to all manner of alchemical weapons, their characters are highly resilient and fill several roles at once. Furthermore, due to both their legion-specific units being Terminators they can bring the highest amount of them amongst all legions - Orbital Assault is particularly nasty with them fielding different kinds of Terminators in HQ, Elites and Heavy Support slots, all of them scoring.
That being said, they have penalties to Sweeping Advances and movement, but such detriments never applied to Cataphractii Terminators anyway, and almost nothing will cause them to operate at anything less than peak efficiency. Furthermore, a combination of Mortarion's army-wide Stubborn and/or The Reaping's Rad grenades makes them a dangerous opponent in melee.
Tired of terrain holding you back, Pinning getting you down, and want to melt your opponents using proscribed weapons while fielding scores of Terminators and Heavy weapons that fear neither Monstrous Creatures nor Phosphex? Then join the ranks of the Unbroken Blades and let doom stalk a million worlds!
-- https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)#XIV_Legion:_Death_Guard

>>49299850
Death Guard have a penalty to Sweeping Advances, and love Rad and Chemical weaponry and Heavy Infantry. Both of their special units wear Terminator armor, with the Deathshroud counting as both an HQ choice and an Elites choice in the Force Organization Chart.

>>49299888
Woah ... Termies can actually be fielded in this game?
Sign me the fuck up

>>49299895
Meanwhile the other endurance legion gets one unique terminator unit and it can only be taken as a heavy support

>>49299915
>IW
>Endurance

Anon, dying in droves is not a test of endurance.

>>49299888
Well Khorne, these ones aren't really 30/40k related, but I absolutely LOVE Richard Coyle's reading of The Shadow over Innsmouth, and At the Mountains of Madness.

You can either buy them or find them uploaded to YouTube. They were originally done on the BBC for a bit, iirc. Quite nice.

>>49299937
Alright, I'll get them. I liked that one of the dude who traveled to Venus and got a virus that developed alien eyes on his hands, so I'll give them a try.

>>49298823

Why is the Alpha Legionnaire facing the wrong way?

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>>49300009
>He only sees a single Alpha Legionnaire
Anon, plz...

Why boyfriend got me betrayer at cakth for a birthday present, what do I need to do in order to play other than out them together and paint?

>>49300009
I need that laugh, Thank you Anon.

>>49299622

LIVES

>>49300009
Shhh!
Look closely at the loyalists.

>>49299986
Tell me how you like them once you've finishes them!

>>49300037
Look at >>49299179
All the books you need.

>>49300074

OH

>>49300069
I KNOW HE LIVES

Mine died to pretty fucking boy, cause he would't turn.

>>49299257
>>searching on a phone
Some of us don't actually have computers and spend all their spare cash on little resin spacemen.

>>49299624
Read the books featuring your favorite Legion. It's been working for me and the Alpha legion so far. It's nothing less than what I expect, and sometimes more.

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>>49300277
>It's nothing less than what I expect, and sometimes more.
You could say it's a...H A N D F U L L ?

>>49300330
No, Im pretty sure it was a FISTFULL

>>49300367
I was referring to as how Dorn cuts Alpharius' hands and beheads him Claymore style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_f01KD07uc
or like Dooku, the one you like the most
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu4hbGCNwCI

But yeah, superior pun you got there. *Tips recasted cancer fedora*

>>49299888

Here's my favourites:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/jq8ebsafxno9l5r/Honour-to-the-Dead.mp3

http://www.mediafire.com/download/ljb9jlhpwpsoqjd/Templar-MP3.zip

http://www.mediafire.com/download/7ulavb87wx1lq51/Veritas-Ferrum.mp3

http://www.mediafire.com/download/xa7d5ccpcc4as1m/Wolfs-Claw.mp3

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>>49300532
Thank you anon!!

>>49292625
Because I want Golg to run with them, the consul is there to unlock the RoW and to give them Tank Hunters.

Scorpius are there to take care of MEQ obviously :P

And the cortus can have grav in the CCW because I have about 100~ points to spend, but a) I want Kheres and b) I have 2 BaC dreads that I want to use. Same with the whirlwinds desu

>>49300850
>taking a melee beatstick in a unit that depends on shooting every turn to make its points back
>Vindicator takes care of MEQ and terminators better than the scorpius ever could
I mean, if its what you want its what you want, but you won't grind as many corpses as you could grind.

>>49299787
Sounds like they got Sanguinius' voice right.

>>49300210
If Alpharius hadn't fakes his own death so well that even the writer and the publisher believed it was the real him, I would have been seriously disappointed

I hope I did the spoiler thing right ...

Any new books out for IH by chance?

>>49301156
We're ALL Alpharius at this point.

>>49301214
Have faith

>>49301229
I try Brother. But it is hard.

Hey anons, my birthday is coming up soon, and I feel like starting an Iron Warriors force. I know BaC is a great deal, but I feel like having a MkII or MkIII army. Also, looking at the plastic Cataphractii sprue, it only comes with one power sword, which is a shame. Though, there's not really anything wrong with MkIV marines.

The following list might be rather sexist and highly offensive, so if the ladies could vacate the thread...

So with all the pictures of fem-primarchs posted lately, my brain conjured up this list of what trying to bang them would be like. Hopefully it can give somebody a laugh

1-Lion El'Johnson : wouldn't understand you're making advances on her unless you spelled it out to her
3-Fulgrim : VERY experienced between the blankets, wants to try everything (also thing you don't want to try)
4-Perturabo : Wants to be appreciated but doesn't appreciate anything you do.
5-Jaghatai Khan : always on top
6-Leman Russ : you constantly walk in on her being a bit too close to her dogs
7-Rogal Dorn : acts all tough, but wants to be spanked/whipped/bound in the bedroom
8-Konrad Curze : Mutilation.
9-Sanguinius : Always having menstruation problems
10-Ferrus Manus : amazing handjobs, bad at giving head.
12-Angron : always hatefucking
13-Roboute Guilliman : has a completely planned out marriage
14-Mortarion : always smells 'somewhat' unpleasant
15-Magnus the Red : It's magic. Deal with it.
16-Horus : insists on calling you Daddy
17-Lorgar : starts out prude, ends up starting some weird sex cult.
18-Vulkan : very good at doing the pounding
19-Corax : cries all the time (is that what emo's do ?)
20-Alpharius/Omegon : You think you're in for a hot threesome, but instead end up losing your official papers and not being sure what happend last night

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>>49301156
You ALfags were so certain that with your Alpha Legion Geometry you could bounce back from anything. But then the one thing that can cut through Omegon Level Abstract Advanced Alpha Legion Gemoetry(highest level!) shattered that precious illusion. Mark my words, the ride has only begun for you.

>>49301649
>The following list might be rather sexist and highly offensive, so if the ladies could vacate the thread...
Reddit/tumblr pls go.

Nothing really offensive about this.

Let me fix Perturabo for you.

Wants to be appreciated, loves being complemented, and is shy/nervous enough in the bedroom do do some kinky stuff, but nowhere near Fulgrim-tier.

>>49301725
The first part was meant to be sarcastic. Fem-marines/primarchs can invoke some serious nerd-rage in certain lorefags

Your Perturabo is indeed much better.

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>>49301649
ENOUGH! THIS HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH! SO SAYETH THE SHARKVERSOR!

>>49301677
Did that guy ever post the rules for that campaign?

>>49301640
hopefully your birthday is near the holiday months so you can cash in on the hopefully MK2 or MK3 plastic boxed set coming.

>>49301984
It's in next month, sorry anon.

I was thinking some of the resin MkII or MkIII guys, but I've never worked with resin, and I'd hate to screw up paintinng or building them.

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>WAKE ME UP

>>49303062
They're a great concept, but they're kind of overpriced.
At least they're good against horde units, which could kill termies by eventually making them fail an armour save.

>>49303107
What if they all could swap out their weapons?

Also I can't find the version anon made that had the eye glow.

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>>49303149
>What if they all could swap out their weapons?
Then Secutors would lose almost any reason to be taken. Just make them a bit cheaper, I mean, 45/40 per Thallax is a bit exaggerated, especially when termies not only come with 2+/5++ but also with a power weapon.

Perhaps 120pts base, 35pts per additional Thalax.

Also, make Empyrite's teleport deepstrike roll only 1D6. Nobody ever takes that option, and deepstriking in ZM (the game style this upgrade aims at) could easily lead to a mishap.

>>49303281
>CAN'T WAKE UP

>>49303281
I feel like making a Thallax conversion with the skull and flesh showing, and the domepiece removed. Would need to lrn2grnstff, but it would be worth it.

>>49298859
I've had that issue when using the normal image too. I don't know what to do about it.

But I couldn't find this page... I only did a browser search for "hhg" and it said there was one hit but it didn't actually point anywhere near it. Only found this by going to the archive, going through the last thread, and realizing it pointed to the new one. I'll use 4chan's search thing next time.

>>49303107
Overpriced ? They're troops with T5 and 3 wounds each ! It takes forever to kill a full unit unless you catch them outside of decent cover and bring vindicators or lots of heavy bolters.
And all the while the thanatars are sitting in the back lying down the as-good-as-ignore-cover pie plates.

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>>49299298
Choosing whether to play 30k (Horus Heresy) or regular 40k is important. The latter is more common, common enough that finding pickup games will be easy.

30k is even more expensive than 40k and isn't as widespread. However, it has an older, more easygoing audience. It's a hell of a community - there are podcasts around the world that all get along with each other and do what they can to spread the game (Eye of Horus, Radio Free Isstvan, Age of Darkness, Varangian Heresy...). If there's any 30k gaming at all in your community, I'd stick with it. Oh, by "easygoing" I meant that an apparently larger proportion of 30k players play for the narrative than to win. But outside of tournaments, not all 40k communities are hardcore competitive - they're just more likely to be. I've seen too many 40k armies that consist of very unlikely allied detachments. And since 30k is 90% marines, it's more balanced. (But also because Forge World is taking better care of the game than GW is taking care of 40k.)

The picture is the daemons that the Emperor's Children eventually join up with. But they're great before that, and in the novels a few resist the daemonification of the legion as long as possible.

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>>49303965
You know how the Mechanicum loves skulls.
>>49304033
Hmm, I guess so. If only Lightning guns were small blasts or something. Maybe I just simply don't understand Thallax, and Scyllax even less.

>>49304160
>there are podcasts around the world that all get along with each other

except for the Imperial Truth, none of the other podcasts like Gregg Dan

>>49304258
because he's an ass

>>49299768
If you spray with white and follow Duncan's paint tutorials then it'll all be fine

>>49304284
I know, Tim ;)

>>49299520
It is kinda two-three weeks old news.

>>49299298

To add to what >>49304160 said, it's worth remembering that you can very easily use 30k minis to make a 40k list (though some total sperglords might give you some 'FW OP' nonsense), but you can't really do it the other way around.

>>49301649
>mfw I'm have the same problem as Lion
Why

>>49304413
It's amazing how some people still cling to the "OMG FW SO OP PAY2WIN !!!!1!!one" misconception with the bullshit that Eldar, Tau and Imperial superfriends can pull off

>>49304517
Well I have to admit being very familiar to that particular issue myself. VERY familiar ...

>>49304544
I hope they stay like that, keeps the trash out.

So does anyone have a copy of the last son of Dorn that they are willing to share?

>>49299259
I have only played one game, where I learned how tedious the actual playing of the game is, but I had fun nonetheless. Really looking forward to playing a real game. Anyone here from Auckland, NZ?

>>49304160
This looks like a Gathering of the Juggalos

>>49299186
>liked novel Fulgrim
Oh dear ...

>>49304517
>Autism
i mean you ARE on tg

>>49299259
I recently played two games with my recently finished IH army, both against DG. First one was a total slaughter, he had first turn and opened with destroying three Land Raider, and the rest of the game followed the same lines... The second game he also had first turn, but this time I only kept my Explorator Proteus and my Venator on the field. After weathering two rounds of shooting and one hull point left on my Proteus, 4 Land Raiders swarmed in from the flanks to wreak havoc, ramming vehicles and tank shocking units of the board, ultimatetly winning me the game!

>>49304517
But you posted no face, and even though autists find it hard to show emotion you still could have posted a blank face
>>49304182
Yep give space wolves their special robots on release but wait months and years to give it to iron warriors
>>49302139
If you don't think your painting skills are up to it, just buy the snap fit storm cast and marines, and strip until /wip dosent tell you to thin your paints
>>49301640
BaC is the best way to start the army, and armour marks help distinguish squads
Havocs in mk3
Tacticals in mk4
Assault in mk5

If you're not taking siege tyrants then why not lightning claws with Golg on your cataphracti, or just scratch build the missile launcher and make tyrants
>>49300850
Tyrant siege are outclassed by havocs if you want tank hunting as they have BS5, reduce cover by one, and can be given all lascannons

You don't want Golg, a close combat death star maker, in with a shooty unit like tyrant siege. If you just took Kyr Vhalen or a bare bones praetor warsmith then you'd save points and you weren't using those HQs properly anyway

Yeah sure play with what you want and have if you're facing a WYSIWYG fag, but you are going to spend more money on your army and this is just making it slightly more competitive
>>49300271
That's no excuse, you can get a decent desktop for £300 and then you get the scans more easily so you don't have to buy the FW books. I was phoneposting because I couldn't be bothered turning my computer back on just to make a new thread
>>49300009
>not understanding basic alpha legion geometry
WEW LAD, pro tip. Lurk more
>>49299933
Okay siege breakers legion
Phosphex or normal artillery barrage ftw
>>49300037
Read the paste bin

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>>49303062
>>49305991
ssshhhhhhhh

>>49306022

I am Silonius.

>>49306022
>psssst kids, you want some PE?

>>49306064
It's like you want Horus to take everything nice away from you and the other cannon fodder legions.

>>49306091

Warmaster Horus, I'm Knight-Errant.

>>49306154

He wasn't alone.

>>49306154
You can't change the future, Knight-Errant. I see a dark future for the Traitor Legions.
>No more Phosphex because the manufacturing plants have big burly Bloodletters and Lords of Change threatening to rape their brains out through a spoon if they don't make suckier more daemonic versions of Phosphex that eats your own troops
>Spartans get daemonic license plates that "help" by eating your death star you wanted transported across the board
>daemon within the Spartan can however take it for a joyride and know that daemons have the worst road rage in the galaxy
Just mere glimpses into the future.

>>49306191

You don't get to bring Marines.

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>>49306207
Forgot to add one little detail.
>license plates say BEATNGU

Any chance for Preatorian of Dorn link?

>>49306220
>He works for the T7 Primarch. The masked one.
>Mortarion?

>>49306598

Get him on board, I'll call it in.

Questions.

Are Breachers good as troops, or are they still too expensive? Even when giving them a Graviton Gun and/or Melta Bomb? What about as a way to get Land Raiders?

Are Despoiler Squads good, or should one stick with regular Tacticals?

Is the Heavy Chainsword good, or should it just be used as a counts-as Paragon Blade or Power Weapon?

>>49307150
They're too expensive and too fragile for their cost to be useful. In ZM games, where they get piles of bonuses, they're good.

Despoilers are great if you have A) a way to get them into combat, and B) some way of boosting your CC output (Rites, Legion Astartes, special gear). Dumping them out of a Storm Eagle makes a surprisingly potent method of clearing a tough opponent off a spot, a regular WE opponent uses 19 despoilers and an apothecary to clear late-game objectives in 2500+ games.

Heavy Chainsword is awful 99% of the time. Mechanicum Thralls are the only unit i can think of that gains any form of force multiplication from them

Disclaimer-I suck even in 40k, and have played a grand total of seven games in AoD, so take it with a grain of salt

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This is a chemishwerfer.
It werfs chemish.

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>>49307552
>no pickelhaube
erbärmlich

>>49307682
a-anon pls
To be fair I'm not sure if the spike would fit the sleek insectoid design of the helmet. The meat and potatoes all have the traditional helmet design though.

>>49307759
Photos?

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>>49307822
You want photos of my meat and potatoes?

>>49300009
anon, there are at least 8 AL legionnaires in the picture.

Little advice, /tg/ - I'm a very little along the way in building a BA force, but I'm yet to paint up all the tacticals, and the imminent release of BaC2 - MkIII boogaloo makes me think I might hang on until that comes out before I do, and maybe repurpose the BaCticals into an AL force (inb4 meme-legion, I want the challenge of trying to do the scheme in actual iridescent paint). If I do that, I'm going to spend an actual fortune, but fuck it. How do these two approaches to list building sound on the face of things:

AL - Build a kind of MSU anti-infantry and objective claiming list. Magnetise all the MkIV to use as 10-man tacticals, veterans, seekers, or support squads, get a few rhinos so they all have DTs (perhaps get some more of them). Use rumoured plastic Tartaros from new boxed set in land raiders. Future purchases to include the likes of a deredeo, sicarian, dynat, that sort of thing.

BA - This would be all about big scary things deep striking. Pray for assault marines in the new box to make a couple of blobs for troops. Use MkIII as support squads or whatever else (also magnetised for versatility). Buy a caestus to fill with cataphractii, maybe another flyer. Get a leviathan dread and drop pod.

Do these sound like two reasonably distinct and fluffy directions to take it in, any thoughts on stuff I really ought to take a look at for either one of those?

>>49307938
that is some ugly shit

>>49308111
Cheers.

>>49298431
What the fuk, use the offical pics next time.

>>49307552
what color is chem flames? green?

>>49306283
check 24 threads back

>>49307150
Breachers are good with Imperial Fists running Stone Gauntlet.

>>49307938
15 dollars for five anon, 15 dollars for five.

>>49308897
What the fuk, why didn't you make the new thread when it was dying, also don't you think I tried using the Hhg image and it wasn't working so resorted to this one. Honestly not everyone you don't like is a B@C newbie, that dosen't understand alpha geometry and decorations.

>>49309022
Do they seriously not teach the flame tests in chemistry anymore

So, anyone have any models and/or conversions you'd like to do?

Like a Marine holding a Bolt pistol in one hand, and an empty bolter in the other, magazine on the ground/on his base.

A way to make it more visual would be to carefully clip the magazine off and if using a Phobos bolter to carve out the visible bolts to make it appear empty as well.

>>49309707
buy two and you get my wife for free!
These ugly blobs are the worst I have seen in my life.

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>>49309707
No can do chief.
>>49310164
Sorry to ruin your day anon.

>>49310149
Iron warriors killing of a apothecary in KA colours
>pssh nothin' personnel kid

Or iron circle in testudo around pertuabo

Or iron circle around Fulgrim Fabius and pertuabo in the scene from Angel exterminatus

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>>49309999
How appropiate, the flamer of tzeetch speaking about flame education.
Chem flamers could vary colour depending on what chemical they use, of course...but why are you guys thinking of them exclusively as different coloured propane (and propane accesories)?
I imagined them as Hollywood Acid™ projectors.

In fact the Grave Warden entry implies their Heavy chem flamer uses "flesh-eating Vasgotox fluid" rather than enhanced flames, while I'm guessing their "inimically lethal Cullgene gas" is what they use as their Toxin attacks.

And on Istvaan V the Salamanders' "pure flame met noxious chem-cloud".

>>49310164
>buy two and you get my wife for free!
Careful there, buddy...I'm just saying.

>>49307150
Breachers are one of those units that look like crap but work well for some people. I have trouble seeing how, but they do... I guess it's about finding a good way to use an anvil. That means making them as survivable as possible and, imo, not giving them all the expensive upgrades it takes to make them a good offensive unit.

Don't take them just for the Land Raider. LR's are only okay; paying a 200 point tax to take more would be silly. Most people put Breachers in Spartans anyway.

Despoilers are fine, but the base 40k rules currently favor shooting and normal tacticals get Fury of the Legion. Those two things mean you need a specific reason to take Despoilers. The reason could be a legion-specific rule or rite of war favoring assault, or they could just fit your fluff better. (They're not terrible, else I would tell you that you needed a GOOD reason to take them. Being slightly suboptimal is fine in most 30k metas.)

It's Destroyers and Recon squads that aren't worth taking at all.

>>49310149
Gonna pose the Mortarion model like pic related.

>>49310187
What are they actually cast in, resin, plaster, white putty ?

>>49310290
I don't see anyth-
Ooooh, 'cause he teleported behind me!

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>>49310290
Err like so.

>>49310290
One job anon, and you failed it like mortarion failed taking the last bastion

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>>49310306

>>49310187
I'm openly endorsing you Anon, don't be a stiff.

>>49310316
>One job anon, and you failed it like mortarion failed taking the last bastion
>The Death Guard fails at rushing
>Their LA rules give a -1 penalty to sweep
>Their RoW prevents them from running
You can't say you didn't expect it: it runs on Morty's geneseed.

>>49310272
I don't worry, my wife is a recast from China

>>49310272
Go Alacran! BE OUR OWN SJW! :)

>>49310272
Not just propane, ethane or methane with a single added group, it will be some explosive gas that then forms an acid when oxidised, and maybe you need an STC to make it (cough explain why they don't have it in 40k cough )

>>49310291
Resin.
>>49310316
Guess I gone fucked it all up huh.
>>49310363
I appreciate it duderino, but I'm not going to start selling other people's creative work. This is just part of the hobby for me.

>>49310421
Why does that matter?

>>49310382
>I don't worry, my wife is a recast from China
Your wife is toxic and could give you cancer when handled without caution? No wonder you married her, DeathGuardlover69
>>49310383
wtf?
>>49310386
>This colourless, poisonous, corrosive, and extremely reactive gas condenses to a pale-greenish yellow liquid
>Tests were made against mock-ups of the Maginot Line fortifications, and it was found to be an effective combined incendiary weapon and poison gas
>"It is, of course, extremely toxic, but that's the least of the problem. It is hypergolic with every known fuel, and so rapidly hypergolic that no ignition delay has ever been measured. It is also hypergolic with such things as cloth, wood, and test engineers, not to mention asbestos, sand, and water — with which it reacts explosively. It can be kept in some of the ordinary structural metals — steel, copper, aluminum, etc. — because of the formation of a thin film of insoluble metal fluoride which protects the bulk of the metal, just as the invisible coat of oxide on aluminum keeps it from burning up in the atmosphere. If, however, this coat is melted or scrubbed off, and has no chance to reform, the operator is confronted with the problem of coping with a metal-fluorine fire. For dealing with this situation, I have always recommended a good pair of running shoes."
Don't you love archaeotech? Call the Magos, we found the STC fragment...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_trifluoride

>>49310536
Social Justice Warrior can be a term of endearment.

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>>49310577

I remember from a thread ago where the math was done on just how many nation-shattering mad World Eaters and how many attacks they would do to take their nailed in the head papa, so let's do something similar for the other Primarchs but with legion exclusive units. How many Justaerins would it take to kill Horus, how many Reavers, how many Justaerins and Reavers are needed in an equal number to down Space Satan? How many Gal Vobrok are needed to stand against Word Bear Prime and come out on top? Can 50 Iron Tyrants/Havocs go on strike and be the decimator instead of Pert, or would it need to be an even spilt of 25 Tyrants and Havocs?

>>49307552
What's that helmet?

>>49310607
I love you Alacran. At any rate, I have no problem with you being a SJW.

>>49310149
A super sneakret Knight Errant with his pimp bolter hiding behind a wall. I've already ordered the parts, a kneeling Mortarion Deythan body and a raptor jump pack, with some extra bits and pieces.

Gear wise he's going to have a power fist and be a level 2 librarian with a stave. Plan is to pick the headsman oath and roll on the biomancy table, there's a reasonable chance I'll roll either Iron Arm or Endurance. I'll either smash the guy to bits with iron arm giving S8 AP2 at initiative or tank the hits with Endurance then power fist him to death.

>>49310536
Ah CTF, such a hideous little substance, but it doesn't hold a candle to it's even more hyper-violent cousin, FOOF.

>“Being a high energy oxidizer, dioxygen difluoride reacted vigorously with organic compounds, even at temperatures close to its melting point. It reacted instantaneously with solid ethyl >alcohol, producing a blue flame and an explosion. When a drop of liquid 02F2 was added to liquid methane, cooled at 90°K., a white flame was produced instantaneously, which turned ?>green upon further burning. When 0.2 (mL) of liquid 02F2 was added to 0.5 (mL) of liquid CH4 at 90°K., a violent explosion occurred.”

Keep in mind, this is at 90 Kelvin, the boiling point of oxygen. (or -183C or -298F). TCF is voilent, but this shit will literally light anything on fire.

>Even Streng had to give up on some of the planned experiments, though (bonus dormitat Strengus?). Sulfur compounds defeated him, because the thermodynamics were just too titanic. >Hydrogen sulfide, for example, reacts with four molecules of FOOF to give sulfur hexafluoride, 2 molecules of HF and four oxygens. . .and 433 kcal (per mole reaction), which is the kind of >every-man-for-himself exotherm that you want to avoid at all cost. The sulfur chemistry of FOOF remains unexplored, so if you feel like whipping up a batch of Satan’s kimchi, go right >ahead.

Though admittedly, FOOF isn't literally toxic, it just sets everything it touches on fire or explodes it, and leaves behind residue that's insanely toxic and/or corrosive.

>>49311076
So FOOF is Babarus's naturally occurring resource?

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>>49311076
>(Chemical name:Things that substance reacts violently with)
>Fluorine: Everything

That's great anon. Perhaps that fuels the Chem Flamers, while CTF is one of the ingredients of Phosphex.

I hear the Imperium now lost the formula because some pansy ass cogboy decided it was too bad for 40k, so they use Phosphor instead now.

>>49311150
The Mortarion bottles up his farts. The Imperium calls it "Life Eater Virus".
Idk where this is from

>>49310536
>Call the Magos, we found the STC fragment...
Didn't a magos actually destroy the phosphex STC fragment because the weapon is too cruel?
Searching for a citation

>>49311076
Eh, CTF can set concrete on fire and is a stronger oxidiser than oxygen, it's a pretty dead heat between the two of them

>>49311219
Cult Mechanicus codex IIRC. I can't believe nobody had a single copy.
The whole purpose of the STC concept gets defeated if there's only a single STC.

>>49311150
A planet full of FOOF wouldn't exist for long. Unless it's kept at 90K or colder it will spontaneously combust itself, violently.
It can have a "thermal run-away effect" at a temperature where oxygen is a liquid for crying out loud.
Nobody, and I mean literally nobody, has ever brought FOOF anywhere close to room temperature. It's way to unstable for that.

The 2nd answer in this thread covers it pretty well: http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/4624/please-explain-why-dioxygen-difluoride-is-so-dangerous

It is probably the most electronegative molecule in existence, the pure elements being worse, but only just.

>>49311219
a quote from the thread Iinked above:
"in plain English, it starts roaring fires with almost anything it touches, even with things that simply will not burn in any other circumstances, like sand, concrete, brick, iron, copper, even asbestos and fiberglass"

http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride is another fun little text about the stuff, and I need to see if I can access the linked article in that post (it's behind a paywall and I'm not at work, which has access to most of this stuff), as that has even more fun experiments in it.

>>49311219
Who cares how cruel a weapon is when fighting bug monsters, literal demons from hell, traitors, heretics and fucking commies?

>>49311331
The cogboy felt like it wasn't worth it after the deaths of too many Skitarri I want to think. It's been awhile since I've read that bit of fluff.

Wow, Wikipedia makes these two chemicals sound like fun, especially CTF:
>In an industrial accident, a spill of 900 kg of chlorine trifluoride burned through 30 cm of concrete and 90 cm of gravel beneath.
>It is also hypergolic with such things as cloth, wood, and test engineers, not to mention asbestos, sand, and water.

Poor test engineers. It’s like the Death Guard’s form of decimation.

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>>49311331
My thoughts exaclty...but everything changed when the Death Guard legion declared for Horus
The Imperium even put bounties on Poison ships.
Can you imagine the Rogue Trader crazy enough to attempt to claim the reward on them...and witty enough to succede at doing so? Well, maybe crazy and witty describe the general Rogue Trader profile.

>>49311283
>>49311219
>>49311210
>>49311076
>>49310536
>>49310386
You know, what if we lace either CTF or FOOF with some powdered pyrophoric radioactive material, like Uranium or Plutonium? 30k rad is made of decomissioned nuclear fuels, so those two would be cheaper than FW minis in the 31st millenium, and it would give cancer to the Avatar of Khaine.
And CTF's byproducts are chlorine gass and other nasty stuff as well.

Mfw regular water could be already Fleshbane to xenos

>>49311522
Actually I think one of the few legit uses of one of them is in nuclear processing

>>49311283
Yeah, that guy also has an article in the "things I won't work with" series on CTF

Streng sounds like an absolute madman - and may have reacted the two together at one point.

Also, have a video of very small quantities of CTF and some things that are usually protective

https://youtu.be/M4l56AfUTnQ

So much bully I make it to OP pic, still have not been able to comprehend where I fucked up. Never going to claim i do good, but no idea where I'm doing bad.

What are the odds of a slaanesh ruinstorm prince being released? Are there any in the fluff in 30k?

>>49310689
Deathshroud terminator head.

>>49311586
>Streng sounds like an absolute madman - and may have reacted the two together at one point.

He did, and I want to read his description of the result, as the "things I won't work with" guy doesn't mention the resulting hellfire.

>>49311522
>So does anyone use dioxygen difluoride for anything?
>Not as far as I can see.
>Most of the recent work with the stuff has come from groups at Los Alamos, where it’s been used to prepare national-security substances such as plutonium and neptunium hexafluoride.

Unfortunately, the article he links to is locked behind a JASC paywall, I may need to do a little library work at the office tomorrow.

>>49311697
Kek

>http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2009/03/18/things_i_wont_work_with_chalcogen_polyazides

>Taking some selenium tetrafluoride and condensing it with trimethylsilyl azide at -196 °C did the trick. After warming things up...they saw that...Keeping the reaction mixture for about 15 min at -64 °C resulted in a violent explosion that destroyed the sample container and the surrounding stainless-steel Dewar flask.

>Did I mention that this prep was performed on less than one millimole? Spirited stuff, that tetra-azide.

>The experimental section of the paper enjoins the reader to wear a face shield, leather suit, and ear plugs, to work behind all sorts of blast shields, and to use Teflon and stainless steel apparatus so as to minimize shrapnel.

>Hmm. Ranking my equipment in terms of its shrapneliferousness is not something that’s ever occurred to me, I have to say.

>It’s safe to assume that any procedure which involves considering which parts of the apparatus I’d prefer to have flying past me will not get much business in my lab, no matter how dashing I might look in a leather suit.

>That procedure deserves a closer look, though. You can’t just crack open a can of selenium tetrafluoride whenever you feel the urge, you know. That stuff has to be made fresh, as far as I can see, and the way these hearty sons of toil make it is by reacting selenium dioxide with chlorine trifluoride. Yep, that stuff, the delightful compound that sets sand on fire and eats through asbestos firebrick.

>So if you’re going to make selenium polyazides, your day starts with chlorine trifluoride and I’m sure that it just rolls along from there.

This guy would count as an Ordo Reductor chemist, right?

>>49311280
There's more than one but you'll have the stc for how to finish the process of, and the other tech priests will stop you from experimenting because clearly if one priest thought it was heretical all should think that way

>>49311600
Post on /wip until you're happy, take everyone's advice apart from getting rid of forgeworld mould lines without the respirator

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>>49311840
>the other tech priests will stop you from experimenting because clearly if one priest thought it was heretical all should think that way
Maybe I didn't understand your post, but you're saying they'd stop me due to fear of me destroying a copy of the STC?
Because they burned the heretek on a stake using the last Phosphex gun for his transgressions.
Turns out it was on the Skitarii codex, not the Cult Mechanicus'. That stuff should be joined as a single codex.

>>49311823
>This guy would count as an Ordo Reductor chemist, right?

To be honest, he primarily cautions against using such hyper-reactive substances, rather than specialising in their use in the most destructive way possible. Though he certainly has the right kind of knowledge, his willingness to use it though, is somewhat lacking for an Ordo Reductor Magos.

>>49311651
They could do kyriss the perverse, but they already said they'd wouldn't do signus prime, but then again Samus goes from near the ghoul stars to calth, or they could make one up like they did with Nurgle

>>49311962
It really should, I just found the bit in the codex:

>009.M40 - FIRES OF CONSCIENCE: The rogue Tech-Priest Veriliad, after leading his Skitarii to a stomach-churning victory during the Cremation of Alcadia Secundus, knowingly destroys the STC for phosphex weaponry.

>>49311877
If you're using a blade I'd skip the respirator. It's fine shavings that ruin your lungs, i.e. sanding or using the back edge of your knife to grind down the mold line.

I don't think FW's resin off-gases anything harmful, right? It's just the particulate matter that we need to worry about?

>>49311280
There is only a single copy of each STC because complete STC's are AI capable of showing whoever finds it how to build whatever the template is for.

There's a book that has a complete STC as a major plot element. The STC contains the original Titan that all the other variants of Titans are based on, the AI ends up becoming corrupted by Chaos.

I believe its in the Grey Knights Omnibus.

>>49312124
I believe they let it off-gas before shipping, all resin produces some gas, but FWs stuff is probably stored somewhere to get rid of it before they send any out.

>>49312132
Castigator class.

>>49312132
Dark Adeptus is the name of the book, and it's indeed in the Grey Knight Omnibus now, I have the book on its own.
It's an STC Warlord, pristine and complete.
But after our Grey Knight protagonist explains to the AI that it may well be a daemon, it agrees that it may well be one and all hell breaks loose, literally.

>>49311280
Realistically the only way an STC would function as a device capable of creating technology far beyond the normal means is if the STC itself has some way bridging the gaps in technology. That is something only an AI could do, literally walking whomever through the whole process of technological advancement, to the point where ascending tiers of proficiency would be second to only the power of the STC/AI itself.

We are talking Men of Gold level AI here, machine consciousnesses that have accumulated all the information required to create whatever template item they where designed for.

Imagine each STC as a fragment of humanities technological capacity, each contains extremely varied end products, yet each capable of bridging the gaps to obtain the end STC's purpose.

Now consider how much advancement comes from discovering an INCOMPLETE/DAMAGED STC, its displayed in droves, the Mechanicum is the perfect example, even religious zealots with no idea how the tech actually works are capable of using the incomplete STCS to revolutionize and advance swathes of their tech.

>>49311962
>Maybe I didn't understand your post, but you're saying they'd stop me due to fear of me destroying a copy of the STC?
No I mean they'd stop you trying to figure out the process. Also although this is reactionary grimdark, schools of thought can change, and I think it's the electric priests or something which show the mechanicum is not unified and two strains of thought exist legally

And yeah they should be the same codex, but I think it went into development when you were getting split codexs from the main book, like codex homunculus covens and codex champions of fenris. Also IIRC FW wanted to keep skittari to 30k, but along with grav it was implemented to 40k with more broken rules

>>49312248
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't STC's supposed to be floppy discs that you plug into a fabricator
It then flashes on screen what materials you need
Sucks it up
And out pops a rhino
Or has that been retconned to be more grim dark

Men of gold are produced by the same civilisation that make STCs

>>49312077
Then it's the guys at the Klapötke lab the ones who are Reductor, and poor Derek Lowe is a M.Biologis assigned to record their logs.

>Today we have a fine compound from this line of work, part of a series derived from N-amino azidotetrazole. The reasonable response to that statement is “Now hold it right there”, because most chemists will take one look at that name and start making get-it-away-from-me gestures. I’m one of them. To me, that structure is a flashing red warning sign on a dead-end road, but then, I suffer from a lack of vision in these matters

>...even Klapötke himself, who clearly has refined sensibilities when it comes to hellishly unstable chemicals, calls “exciting”. Trust me, you don’t want to be around when someone who works with azidotetrazoles comes across something “exciting”

>...Both the initial communication and the follow-up publication go out of their way to emphasize that the compound just cannot be handled: The sensitivity of C2N14 is beyond our capabilities of measurement. The smallest possible loadings in shock and friction tests led to explosive decomposition. . .

>Yep, below the detection limits of a lab that specializes in the nastiest, most energetic stuff they can think up. When you read through both papers, you find that the group was lucky to get whatever data they could. The compound exploded in solution, it exploded on any attempts to touch or move the solid, and (most interestingly) it exploded when they were trying to get an infrared spectrum of it. The papers mention several detonations inside the Raman spectrometer as soon as the laser source was turned on, which must have helped the time pass more quickly.

>This shows a really commendable level of persistence, when you think about it – I don’t know about you, but one exploding spectrometer is generally enough to make recognize a motion to adjourn for the day.

>But these folks are a different breed.

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>>49312329
This is a literal representation of the Adeptus Mechanicus and their understanding of STCs.

>>49312329
The STCS found by the mechanicum have all been damaged or incomplete, fragmented during the Dark Ages.

Their capacity to function as you described is largely in part due to their nature as highly complex AI.

Originally man kind during its golden age created three castes of AI.

The Men of Stone where tasked with construction/maintenance of Human structures and planets.

The Men of Iron where given the task of expanding the Golden Age humans empire into the stars, while genetic engineering was no doubt more advanced, the Robots where most likely the more efficient solution, considering the level of their technology and mastery of AI.

The Men of Gold where the ruling caste of those AI, the most advanced of man kinds works, designated with overseeing and directing the other AI.

The Men of Gold where either advanced AI in and othemselves or Humans who transcended their phsyical forms and BECAME AI.

Interesting stuff.

>>49312248
I think of an STC as similar to a model you can send to a 3D printer, or a template that a steel mill can use to cut and weld the shapes you tell it to. It's basically a program that you hook up to the right machinery and it spits out a product.

That way you don't have to know any science of engineering to get something, which is why the Imperium (and even the Mechanicum, pathetically enough) has stagnated in terms of pursuing science and, in fact, has forgotten a lot of it.

So I don't think an incomplete STC is much good if it's for something basic like a chemical. An incomplete super-heavy tank STC might be okay because you can fill in the gap with a piece from another known vehicle.

>>49312336
>Then it's the guys at the Klapötke lab the ones who are Reductor, and poor Derek Lowe is a M.Biologis assigned to record their logs.

Pretty much.

>>49312436
It's more than that.

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So, I just read Praetorian of Dorn.
Boy, was that a shitshow. Was this really written by French? I sorta remember him being a better writer than that. Nevermind that the whole book failed to make Dorn even one iota more interesting and makes a whole lot of material in previous books pointless, it's just badly written overall.

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Significant clarification from Laurie Goulding in the First Expedition forums!

This is the Palatine Aquila: the one with the wings higher up with a rounded lower surface, and usually with thunderbolts. It was the Emperor's personal icon, though it did grow a second head after the treaty with Mars.

The more important thing (to Goulding) is that the III legion recruited orphans of defeated enemies, so by giving them his personal heraldry the Emperor essentially adopted them as his Children.

>>49312809
I don't buy any of this AI stuff.

>>49312907
Could you post the link, please? It'd be useful to read it.
>>49313004
I thought a SCT was but the blueprints and instructions of How to Basic a thing, and it was up to you how to manufacture it.

>>49313029
Not him but here
http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_First_Expedition/index.php?showtopic=1952

Also what happened to the whole 'Fulgrim gave rousing speech and so earned the name emperor's children' or were those two seperate events

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>>49313215
Thank you.
>Also what happened to the whole 'Fulgrim gave rousing speech and so earned the name emperor's children' or were those two seperate events
That was a separate event, which caused the IIth to use the Talon Spur as their legion symbol (they already wore the Palatine Aquila on their chests), and Fulgrim earned the epithet "The Phoenician" after how the EC was rebuilt with his help.

>>49313029
>I thought a SCT was but the blueprints and instructions of How to Basic a thing, and it was up to you how to manufacture it.
Pretty much. I'm just guessing that certain pre-packed, just-add-water manufacturing facilities had the ability to read the simpler STCs and do a lot of the work for you. After all, a lot (maybe most) Imperial/Mechanicum worlds are capable of building stuff more advanced than their understanding of science and technology suggests they should be able to. Like microchips... you need to know a lot to be able to make them unless a machine can do it for you.

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>>49298431
How am I supposed to counter 3 lightning flyers!? They just show up and blow up any AA I have and wreak havoc after.

>>49313514
Three deredeos, three xiphons.

>>49313514
Post your list.

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>>49313540
>Three dere-dere's

>>49313565
>three Doritos
FTFY

>>49313540
Don't forget your Elite slot Mortis dreads.

>>49313004
The complete stc being an AI is in dark Adeptus. Part of the Greg knights trilogy.

The information regarding the Men of Stone/Iron/Gold is a combination of older comics in conjunction with citation from Dark Adeptus and multiple other obscure sources.

The Men of Iron is all old fluff.

>>49313029
The STCS discovered by the mechanicum have all been damaged during the age of darkness.

While yes the STCS serve that basic purpose in their damaged state, in their prime they are highly advanced AI.

Check Dark Adeptus.

>>49313824
So if it were ever discovered, the Mechanicum would feel compelled to destroy it.

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>>49313514
You take Eddie, he's your friend and here to skullfuck flyers.

>>49313849
Considering how happy they'd be to have their hands on a fully-functioning STC, they'd probably try to sell its AI to the Inquisition as "highly advanced machine spirit". Aren't they doing that with Titan AIs already?

>>49313434
>>49313824
Easy peasy lemon squeezy. I'm guessing STCs are nothing but a collection of drawings, lists and, most important of all, Youtube tutorials.

>>49312893
The more I think of it, the more the butthurt meme legion guys seem to have a point.

Alpharius thought dorn would not be stubborn? The outcome is Omegon thinking alpharius is dead, and taking up his name, essentially freeing alpharius to do whatever he wants.

I read the first heretic because it was the first episode of the magazine for £2 now I have beep boop feels

Whats a good way to make Argel Tal as a Praetor

>>49314395
petition forgeworld to make him an event model and then release him wholesale, like GW did with the dark venegeane aspiring champion

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>>49314395
I would make him into a Diabolist with burning lore, tainted weapon, lighting claw (to represent a demonic claw) and artificer armor then roll some dice on the character advancement tables.

Why do some chapters have brightly colored armor, and others have dark or almost camo color, what are the advantages and disadvantages on the battlefield?

>>49314654
>chapters

>>49314701
There are still chapters and chapter masters in 30k

>>49314701
legions

>>49314654
Camo isn't all that important when alien vision is totally unpredictable and any noncompliant humans advanced enough to put up a fight probably have vision-enhancing devices.

Raven Guard are an exception; they're the only legion sneaking up on the enemy en masse. That's when vision and camo matter. Once the war starts you can assume everyone's using radar, night vision goggles, etc.

For everyone else it's just a matter of pride and tradition. (Actually, it is for RG too - they'd pick matte black even if it didn't matter.) There are hints that all the space marines started out in some shade of gray, whether very light or very dark. Some started painting a shoulder pad in a distinctive color that later became the legion color (e.g. Imperial Fists). Other changed when they found their primarch, or (in the Word Bearers' case) when they found gods. It's just part of their individual background.

>>49314862
interesting thank you

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Anon drew this for me.

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>>49314917
Anon drew this for me.

>>49314733
taking for example the Imperial Fists, the Black Templar formation of 30k uses almost exclusively black armor in contrast to their legion's bright yellow, and all legions have chapters as a sub-formation, many with similarly different heraldry

>>49307150
I usually field 2 squads of 15 breachers. They work great for me but you have to dump points on them to make them work effectively. I usually use them to bog down stuff while vets fire on them or use them to funnel shit into sigismund.

You really have to cater your list to them for it to work.

>>49308897
Autism at its finest

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First Heretic movie PLEASE

Eva Greene would make an excellent Red Lady

Rule of thumb, Fulgrim... You can't kill the messiah!

>>49315353
monarchia should have been burned twice because of how shit the red lady was

>>49315409
The personification of Astartes was pretty on point, the Word Bearers where most human like.

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>>49315409
hey roboute

>>49315435

And yet they ended up doing the most inhuman acts.

>>49315465
dumdumdumdum dats da point stoopid

>>49315435
that's why I said because of how shit the red lady was, not because of how shit space man XYZ was

Oh, also the time travel shit I guess. Time travel shit is always kind of dumb.

>>49315513

Inferno isn't out yet. There's still time.

>>49315522

Time to fortify against the coming storm?

just thinking of ideas for a new legion at work: how about fully roman ultramarines doing an orbital assault list? would the combi-bolters on the drop pods count for interlocking tactics?

>>49315556

Or time to bail. I fully plan to disappear the moment Inferno is released for a month or so. Alpha legion fans have become utterly insufferable recently thanks to Praetorian of Dorn, SWfans will be even worse.

>>49315465
The warp is a corrupting influence, while yes they succumbed, the motivating force of that corruption is undeniable.

In humbling the most human of legions, the methods utilized require additional scrutiny. Pious as the Word Bearers where, their intent to rebuild took priority over their directive to subjugate.

They intentionally rebuilt planets, sowed the seed of faith and created worlds that wholly complied to the imperium, none of those worlds retained elements of descenion.

Through the raising of monarchia, the Emperor wounded the faith of his most faithful. Zealots as they where, belief in the Emperors divine capacity would have done no harm to the Imperium as a whole, but rather would have given the whole of man something greater to believe in.

So, is it honestly surprising that Lorgar turned to a different faith? That someone so divinely inspired would turn from the path he wholly believed in? The path he was made to believe in?

Nobody is wrong for turning traitor, each had their reasons, each could have been avoided.

>>49315568
Wouldn't "fully Roman" mean footsloggers with allied militia footsloggers? Maybe some bikes in lieu of cavalry, and it's fair to include some Rapiers replacing ballistas and the like.

>>49315638
>Nobody is wrong for turning traitor
list of things traitors did wrong:

#1 went traitor
#2 lost anyways

>>49315514
I thought she served as an excellent vehicle for the personification of the Legions humanity.

The time travel was unnecessary yes, that being said I'm confident that whatever plot device used would have been equally pointless.

>>49315684
okay I want them with gladius power swords but also coming out of drop pods because I never want to ...so let's compromise and say "kinda roman". but your idea sounds pretty badass too.

If I'm using basilisks in iron fire is there any point in taking nuncio voxes

>>49315729
>I thought she served as an excellent vehicle for the personification of the Legions humanity.
Unnecessary. You saw that in the legionnaires themselves.

Sometimes a human onlooker works. Not always. And it's a note ADB's worn pretty fucking thin since it's in almost all of his books.

>>49315850

Has he become...predictable?

>>49315598
>implying we have anything to be butthurt about
Almost 1 in 5 anons play AL, there's bound to be idiots who didn't get the Praetorian story right so they express their (unfounded) butthurt here.

>>49315888

Their Primarch got unceremoniously shanked. They have every right to be butthurt.

>>49315875
yeah

there's stuff I like in his books, but they are pretty by the numbers

>>49315875
My bones say yes.
>>49315943
It's a punishment for their excessive stuffing their geometry down our throats. The IWfags are up next. Say goodbye to the Ironfire, diet Imperial Fists.

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>>49315454
>word bearers