The new Traitor Hate's campaign book has like 4 new art

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What are those floating Admech guys?

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This is an oldie with some coloring and added detail. posted it because its neat.

If you were that IG, what would be running through your mind?

>>49280540
Just regular admech joes, they aren't really floating, there an anticulated arm inside the cable bundles

>>49280572
"why is this scrub using defilers"

monstrously terrible, this and the space wolves new art is an abortion

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Black Legion curbstomping loyalist scum. Always a pleasure.

And that's all the new art. Any opinions on the quality?

>>49280484

Is the new Death Company Chaplin?


why would someone with the Black Rage EVEN get promoted to Chaplin?

>‘Face me, monster,’ boomed the Chaplain over the clangour of battle, ‘I am Daenor of the Blood Angels.’

>The Betrayer barked a laugh.

>‘It’s a fool who places his head on the block and dares the executioner to take his best swing. And I am no fool,’ growled Khârn, stepping back from this challenger and mag-locking his gun to his thigh. ‘How long do you think you can stop me from taking your head, Daenor of the Blood Angels? Five seconds?’ Khârn swung Gorechild back and forth in roaring cuts. ‘Ten?’

>‘I will break you as Sanguinius did Ka’Bandha before the gates of the Emperor’s Palace, traitor,’ responded Daenor. ‘I am a son of the Angel.’

>‘There was only ever one Angel,’ growled Khârn, his voice rising to a shout, ‘and
he was red!’

What did he mean by this?

Kharn vs an Imperial Knight

>The ground shook with pounding footfalls, and a vox-horn boomed out a binharic war cry. Looking up, the Betrayer saw a red-hulled Knight looming over him, its head tilted down to pin him with its dispassionate stare. The war engine’s roaring chainblade swept down and Khârn hurled himself aside. He rolled to his feet with a manic laugh, sweeping Gorechild up in a thunderous arc. Mica-dragon teeth bit through adamantium and ceramite in a rain of sparks, and the Knight’s severed chainblade crashed to the ground.

>The war machine took a step back, trying to swing its battle cannon to bear. Before it could, the Betrayer leapt high and clove through the Knight’s nearest knee-joint. Again, Gorechild could not be denied, and the towering machine left half of one leg behind as it tried to back away. Slowly, like some great tree, the Imperial Knight tipped sideways, before crashing down hard. Khârn laughed as his followers boiled across the felled machine, tearing its canopy open and hacking madly at the exposed pilot within. These fools were doomed, thought the Betrayer contemptuously. Time to move on in search of a more worthy challenge

Kharn doesn't like Titans

>Khârn looked slowly up from the cloven body of his ambitious would-be murderer. An Imperial Reaver Titan loomed into view above him, footsteps shaking the ground. The engine seemed to fill up the whole world with its enormity. Its shadow engulfed him utterly, throwing a shroud across both Khârn and the maimed Chaplain who still lay in the roadway. The Metalican emblem upon the Reaver’s chest left Khârn in no doubt of its loyalties.

>The Titan raised one tank-sized foot and took a striding step down the street. Khârn leapt back as the war engine’s foot descended, slamming down like a pile driver. The ground buckled beneath the god-machine’s tread, and Khârn was hurled unceremoniously from his feet. He cursed, scrambling upright again amid the billowing dust and unnatural shadow. The Betrayer felt the air pressure contract around him, his ears popping and his armour crawling with corposant as the war engine’s void shields passed over and enveloped him. The Titan hadn’t even registered the foe beneath its feet, its weapons drawing down upon targets in more distant streets. It stung the Betrayer’s martial pride to be treated as an irrelevance, and he howled with anger as he pumped plasma shots up at the thing’s knee joint. This was no Knight, however. The ravening blasts of energy splashed against the Titan’s leg, blackening its paintwork but achieving little else.

>Then the Titan was moving again, swinging its other leg forwards to pass the first. The roadway was barely wide enough for the god machine to progress down it, but that mattered little. Where the Titan’s weapon limbs struck the buildings they simply tore away great chunks of masonry, smashing the buildings aside with the ease of a man parting tall grass. Rubble sluiced down upon Khârn in a landslide as the Titan swept over him.

>>49280742
One of Angeron's nicknames is "The Red Angel"

Despite one of his brothers literally having wings and being all about blood.

>>49280454
Also, TH is largely a pile of reused bullshit, so the art also being bullshit isn't a surprise.

>>49280663
>why would someone with the Black Rage EVEN get promoted to Chaplin?

Noone has, Lemartes was aChaplain before the rage and he alone has managed to come out the other end of his black rage, not "sane", still utterly svage in the face of foes, but capable of telling friend from foe, holding conversations (albeit either short and clipped or raging litanies of hatred) and serve his duty as chaplain.

>>49280742
"Angron (also known as the Red Angel is the Primarch of the World Eaters"

>>49280742
Angron was the Red Angel

>>49280454
>currently

>>49280819
>The Betrayer cursed in fury as thundering wreckage and billowing dust engulfed him. He fought against the stony tide, but darkness swallowed him as the rubble closed over his head. Khârn raged. He thrashed. He shattered and clawed until he was free once again. By the time he had dragged himself from the tumbled ruins, both the Titan, and his Chaplain victim, were gone.

>>Denied his worthy skull, the Betrayer’s rage was beyond mortal comprehension. A wave of pure fury rolled out from his armoured form, scorching the rubble black, and his deafening war cry shattered those few windows that remained in the street’s battered facades.

>Over the rooftops of the ruins around him, Khârn could see the god-like forms of more Imperial Titans moving, wading through the devastation with their weapons tracking right and left. As they sighted his followers, their guns lit with apocalyptic fury, blazing columns of light and fire stabbing downwards to blow buildings apart and scour the streets of Khorne worshippers. There was bloodshed in this, thought Khârn, but not glory. Not the skulls of the Imperial lapdogs. This could not be allowed. The Titans must die.

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>Khârn fought like a lunatic, exhorting the followers of Khorne to greater heights of violence and spitting scorn upon them where they showed weakness. It was Khârn that led a loping Warhound Titan out into the wreck-scattered square before the eastern forge-temple, and straight into the teeth of a Trinity of Blood. Booming monstrous warcries, the three super-heavy Daemon Engines hammered the Titan with fire from every side, collapsing ts void shields and rolling forwards to hack it apart with vast chain cleavers.

>It was Khârn, also, who scaled the flank of a towering factorum-stack at the head of fifty Khorne Berzerkers and leapt from its heights onto the carapace of an Imperial Reaver as it was moving between engagement zones. The Betrayer hacked his way through the war engine’s armoured hull, leading those few Berzerkers who had survived the strafing of the Titan’s gatling blasters. They butchered the machine’s crew, leaving it looming, cold and dead in the middle of the street.

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>MODERATII, ADJUST SPEED TWO KNOTS AND TARGET THE DAEMON ENGINES TO OUR RIGHT. POWER UP THE PLASMA BLASTGUN AND… WHAT… WHAT WAS THAT? UPON THE HULL? AUSPEX SWEEP, NOW! IT CAN’T BE. NO. NO! KEEP THEM OUT! NO!’

- Last words of Princeps Gauvanos, Legio Metalica

>>49280646
>Stormshield Terminator tanking forgefiend pointblank
NOICE

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>>49280832
>>49280825
I BEG YOUR PARDON, MORTALS?

>>49280454
That chaplain looks like it escaped from a super-hero comic or a super sentai series.

>>49280965
Deemonic plagiarists who can't think up names of their own are irrelevant for Khârn.

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>>49280845
The excess of so much shitposting makes me hard.

Damn shame that they're all angry too.

>THE SECRET OF AMETHAL

>The adepts of the Adeptus Mechanicus understood the true prize that the Black Legion sought upon Amethal, even if few others did. It was the thing that had brought Technoarcheologist Dominus Ivasnophon and his followers from the forge world of Metalica to this cursed world. It was a power of unbelievable magnitude, though the Imperium and the traitors sought it for very different reasons. Lord Xorphas knew its true nature, for it was he and his cabal who had located it for Abaddon. The Despoiler had set his forces in motion at once. The battle to come would bear upon the success of the Thirteenth Black Crusade, for it offered an opportunity to extend Abaddon’s Crimson Path like a bloody wound across Imperial space.

>The secret that the Black Legion sought, and that the Adeptus Mechanicus were racing them to seize, lay deep beneath the surface of Amethal. It was ancient – unspeakably, unimaginably so. It was a device the size of a world, forged by godlike beings before Terra had even spawned its first single-celled organisms. It was a cage for the infernal creatures of the Warp, a weapon to dwarf the Damnation Cache that had slipped through Abaddon’s fingers on Pandorax. And, according to the divinations of Lord Xorphas and his followers, it was full to the brim. It required only the correct ritual to be broken open, at which point the sudden release of so many Warp entities would tear a gaping wound in reality itself…

The biggest question that comes from the book is who created the Daemon Cage?

And for what purpose were they filling it to the utmost capacity with daemons and other warp entities?

>>49280646
>dat Daemon Knight

Yesssssss.

On the other hand, though, I'm kind of disappointed in this art. None of these guys are unique - every single one of them are just direct copy-pastes of existing models. Fuck, the Chosen Champion is in the EXACT SAME POSE as his model.

Come on GW. Don't go down this road. Art was one of the few things you almost always got right.

>>49280454
KHARN TOO OP

NERF NOW

Motherfucker has reached Primarch levels now. In the book Kharn duels with an Imperial Knight, breaks its gigantic building sized chainsword, then chops its legs off at the knees and ends it. He later jumps on top of a titan by leaping over fifty feet into the air, then carves his way through it and kills the entire crew.

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So this is what a bolter wound looks like? I thought they were explosive.

>>49281053
>On the other hand, though, I'm kind of disappointed in this art.

Modern GW art has been going downhill for years. The pieces in the Wulfen/CSM campaign book looked like something crapped out by a shoddy fanartist.

>>49281129
Explode after impact. There's no real definition on when they explode though, I recall an old CSM codex had a story where an IG officer is in a bunker, gets shot, has time to fall down, look at his shoulder and hear a bleep before it blow his arm off.

>>49281129
They explode shortly after impact, long enough to burrow in

>>49281129
Artist fucked up, bolters are .75 caliber and even a non-explosive hit would take off your arm and instantly kill you from the shockwave.

>>49281214
Or maybe it's a daemonic variant, smaller round that burrows into the heart and then explodes.

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>>49280663

>>49280540
>>49280646
>>49281129

The look like shit.

>>49280742
Angron was called the 'red angel', although a daemon that possessed a blood angels apothecary also called himself the 'red angel'

but its probably angron as he was angron's equerry

>>49281214
Unless he passed his invul save!

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Why is all of GW's art so consistently terrible now? For fuck's sake.

>>49280454
>The majority of the art is reused art from CSM and CS codexes mixed in with oldie CSM art. Defend this, /tg/.
dramatically reduced production cost.
It's the reason they also use a lot of model shots.

FFG reuses are like crazy to keep cost down.
CoC, Eldritch Horror, Arkham Horror, Mansion of Madness, Elder Sign are all from the Call of Cthulhu IP. And art is reused across those games like crazy. Because good art isn't cheap to commission.

>>49281593
They're pumping out a lot of content and resort to hiring deviant art cunts.

>>49280540

They are servitors, likely so a magos can remotely view the battle by taking one over. One also seems to be recording what's happening in terms of casualties.

>>49281129

That's an Electropriest, not some dinky human serf. No idea what their body is made of but the round will probably blow his arm off in 0.001 seconds.

>>49280819
No one told the princeps a Chaos VVVVIP was in the area as an opportunity target?

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>>49281812
Looks human to me.

>>49281129
there is an old bit of fluff about bolters actually being less effective against unarmored non-super humans because they tended to pass through before the secondary explosion got triggered.

reading the new fluff that comes out... sounds like Kharn is a Mary Sue... doesnt the 40k universe have enough of those already?

>>49281915
>doesnt the 40k universe have enough of those already?
no, everyone in 40k would be a Mary Sue in a universe that wasn't 40k.
But in 40k that sort of shit is the norm, so it's not a Mary Sue.

Context matters people.

>>49281107
... anon he has like 5-6 attacks with an armorbane weapon that always hits on 2+

He does this shit regularly in my game store. My Kharn has killed at least 7 knights, 2 stompas, 2 warhounds and 3 baneblades since 6th edition began and people started playing superheavies...

Killing titans is nothing for this guy.

>>49280646
>most of the guns are somewhat decent
>completely fuck it up by making them like 3 cm wide
Why do people fuck up guns in 40k so? Half of them are just solid blocks and the other half are simple in silhoutte, rounded and smooth, yet they constantly somehow manage to fail at drawing them. I can forgive many badly drawn things, but subpar weapons completely ruin it for me. That's why I dislike the old art, almost all of them feature retardedly drawn weaponry

>>49280454
I like this one. The others are pretty meh. Looks like Blood Angel Chaplains have gone full vampire, though.

>>49280646
This one is pretty bad.

>>49280540
>>49280646
Why the fuck did they take the dark vengeance lord and use it twice in this art, with two different colour schemes?

>>49281915
He's the Chosen of the God of Carnage and Slaughter.
Of course he's extremely OP, he dies from time to time sure, but that's never stopped Kharn before.

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>>49282171
I'd say modern stuff is pretty good.

>>49282171
back to /k/ with you. There you can fap about your Mosin replica with your buttbuddies.

>>49282382
Yeah this bugs me too but since Kranon never got Unique rules ehh. Still it's fucking lazy.

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>>49282416

>>49280572
Snibeti snab

>>49280454
>>49280484
>Hey guys, here is some nice blood angels art.

>Please buy some blood angels and then their codex specifically in that order

>>49281003
>The biggest question that comes from the book is who created the Daemon Cage?

the same assholes that did all the other old tech someone digs up every now and then
necrons or old ones

>>49280454
this art is fugly as shit and you should've not posted it

>>49281876
when the luna wolves are fighting some zombies on Davin Loken says that he is happy that he didn't bring the armor piercing rounds since those would go through them and explode too late

but honestly the artist probably has no fucking idea what bolters are and thought it's just a normal gun, be happy he didn't make them lasers

>>49281129
He's basically firing it at a point blank range. There's indications that bolts don't explode at such short distances for safety reasons. In one novel a Marine was shot in the head at point blank range and the bolt just went through his head.

>>49281214
His arm can be totally gone, but that doesn't mean it will look that way. I've seen a dude shot in the arm with just a small hole on both sides. Looked almost like he had been stabbed with a rod or something. When xrayed, his bone was just fucking blasted to bits and the muscles were all shredded.

It's very likely that even if the entry wound is small, his entire shoulder is totally destroyed.

Also, if he's from HH era, his bolt pistol can be as tiny as .50 caliber, as per HH fluff.

>>49281129
Maybe all that electromagnetic bullshit fucked up it's detonator.

>>49281876
Yeah but regardless of if it explodes or not it's still something retarded like a .50 caliber bullet.

>>49282497

What am I looking at here, a DG warband w/ Ultra & Eldar Farseer fighting.

I like the ammo counter on the HB tho.

>>49283676
It's Dark Hunters teaming up with Eldar to kill the Chaos Warband the Chapter was created to destroy- the Punishers.

>>49283299

they can't make it too gory because then they can't sell it to kiddies

>>49280454

>The new Traitor Hate's campaign book has like 4 new art pieces. The majority of the art is reused art from CSM and CS codexes mixed in with oldie CSM art. Defend this, /tg/.

All people did was complain about the new art, so less of it means less complaining and possibly more effort put into what is new.

>>49280646

Cover art is good, other stuff is okay

>>49281003

If it's the Old Ones this is sort of interesting since it implies that shit in the Warp started going bad while they were in a position to do something about it.

>>49281053

I'm honestly not super impressed by the Chaos Knight since if it isn't a direct copy of the FW version, it repeats its mistakes.

A Knight would be an awesome opportunity to do something cool with the new CSM aesthetic, instead they just went with the old one of scary faces and spikes and called it a day.

>>49281431
>but its probably angron as he was angron's equerry
what

>>49281915

Seems par for the course for what he is.

Truthfully him killing a Knight is impressive, but it's hardly out there and him managing to kill the crew of a Titan is an actual thing that can happen, so much so that there are Skitarii devoted to protecting Titans from infantry.

>>49282382

Because one of them is supposed to be what Kranon of the Crimson Slaughter looks like.

I guess the art department either didn't communicate about it or thought people wouldn't care since the model that represented Kranon is a generic Chaos Lord.

>>49282400

I only recall Kharn supposedly dying once before.

>>49281003
>forged by godlike beings before Terra had even spawned its first single-celled organisms.

When did life first appear on Earth?

>>49289251
Precambrian era, estimated 4 billion years ago

>>49289286
That's waaay before the War in Heaven which was 60 million years ago. What were daemons doing back then?

>>49289362
Being ignored by common sense from writers. Like always.

>>49289362
There weren't any.
The warp became the horrid fustercluck of terror as a result of the war in heaven between the old ones using it to fight the C'tan, and the psychic emanations of the Eldar and other races as they fought/died giving rise to the enslaver plague.

>>49284148

You say this and yet AoS has a Khorne unit that are cannibals.

>>49289543
>There weren't any.

Clearly that's not true. Someone before the War of Heaven constructed a prison for Warp creatures and filled it with daemons.

Also Be'lakor, known as the First Daemon Prince of Chaos, has memories of the First Necrontyr necropolis and the first Eldar homeworlds.

I guess the Warp being calm and safe back then was retconned.

>>49281685
Catalyst does this a lot too, but it could just be editing errors.

i kinda expected people discussing possible formations in that book, all i got was people discussing "art".
Thats okay though

>>49283132
>.50 caliber
>tiny

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>>49284926
That is not a defence. If they are too incompetent or too cheap to have good art like they used to they deserve to be criticised.

>>49290265

It may not necessarily be a case of cheapness but the artists in question either not being available or not desiring to work for GW.

If you're an artist who does quality work, you're not exactly going to be lacking for offers, possibly from people who can afford to pay more than the big fish in a niche hobby.

>>49282456
>draw a few lines at random so they look like what a kindergartener drawing a pistol would draw, then add a banana magazine
>colour/shade it by basically smudging the lines invards, maybe throw on some red or yellow stripes
>make the character aim or fire it at everything but the enemy
Fuck you too buddy

>>49281129
The shot honestly probably just went straight through his arm.

This book reeks of crash grab.

The Angel's Blade too.

>>49280484
S-SAVE ME SPACE MARINES

>>49280454

I really hate that humanoid-looking artificer armor and the new look of Kharn, which appears to be copy pasted from the Age of Sigmar shit.

My autism is also triggered by the fact he has a weak arm not protected by power armor

>>49291317
he's always had that sans power armor arm

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>>49291317
>he has a weak arm
>weak

kharn would curl you for reps and then superset into skullfucking, boy

>>49280646

>Using canon chaos character in wrong color scheme

>Eye of Sauron

Cheap as fuck

>>49291336
I like to think those ig aren't corrupted and that Kharn just glued those horns on their for an arts and crafts project

>>49291353
i think thats a hook piercing theyr heads, anon

>>49291449
arts and crafts then

>>49280454
That white heir on Kharn.

You guys lied to me. You said SM don't grow old.

>>49293514
Those ain't hair. Those are two trophies hanging from the helmet's horns.

Kharn is bald

>>49280454
>Defend this, /tg/.
Why defend garbage? I stopped defending anything GW put out years ago.

>>49291336
>genetically engineered super soldier empowered by one of the 4 dark Gods, wielding weapons mankind has lost the ability to create and with 10,000 years of experience manages to kill 3 normal humans equipped with flashlights and thinks this is impressive enough to attach to his armour as a trophy
Why are CSM so pathetic?

>>49280646
>Any opinions on the quality?
First one is pretty good despite the fact that the foreground could be less rough.

The rest is REALLY meh: Decent technique, no personality, bad composition, lack of details and a few innaccuracies. >>49280484 has a couple redeeming elements, though.

>>49288217
what what?

Kharn was the equerry of Angron

>Historically, it was a senior attendant with responsibilities for the horses of a person of rank. In contemporary use, it is a personal attendant, usually upon a Sovereign, a member of a Royal Family, or a national representative. They are equivalent to Aides-de-Camp, but the term is now prevalent only in the Commonwealth of Nations.

>>49281152
>The pieces in the Wulfen/CSM campaign book looked like something crapped out by a shoddy fanartist.

I know, though there were a few solid pieces in there.

I guess it just hits harder because this is MY faction.

>>49281915
Chaos Marines have solo'd Titans before, albeit they were extremely powerful marines and the titans were Warhounds.

There was an Iron Warrior in Terminator armor who unloaded his combi-melta multiple times into the ankle of a Warhound, causing it to fall over and crash. He then used the bolter part to smash into the cockpit and kill everybody inside.

He did get annihilated by the Warhounds pack-mate, though.

>>49282171
>Half of them are just solid blocks and the other half are simple in silhoutte, rounded and smooth, yet they constantly somehow manage to fail at drawing them. I can forgive many badly drawn things, but subpar weapons completely ruin it for me.

Because most people who work for GW and most artists have likely never held a gun in their life, let alone understand how one works enough to create a new one.

That's why I try to make my 40kRPG weapon variants more believable, but still stay true to the fluff of the weapon. There's just no way to make a Plasma Gun work with modern physics, but fuck you they're cool.

>>49294161
It's not because he thinks they're cool, it's to further terrify the enemy. Seeing your buddies nailed to a guys armor will make you reconsider your opinions on fighting him.

>>49295092
how did Talos take out that Titan again?

>>49295092
>unloaded his combi-melta multiple times
Why can't my termies do this?

>>49280742
he's making fun of the blood angels for being red, which is the colour of khorne

>>49296173
BAngels had Red long before World Eaters did.

>>49296429
chaos gods existed long before BAngels did.

>>49296111
Dude was a Chaos Lord, IIRC, and he did have to reload it after each shot. It still only took 2-3 hits before it collapsed, though.

>>49282497
That one marine is pulling the pin out of a frag with his pointy helmet teeth.

That's both stupid, retarded and cool all at the same time.

>>49295092
>>49297147
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Forrix

>>49291139

Yes, the general idea of things like this is usually to make money.

>>49291317

Kharn looks the same as he always did.

The armor on the Chaplain isn't exactly new either considering that Astorath wears a version of it. I think it kind of fits for BA, maybe because they already have armor with ornamental muscle on it and this is just putting a twist on that. Showing the muscle underneath the flesh as part of the Chaplain's death accoutrements.

>>49294161

This is honestly a good point, I sort of doubt Kharn would find the skulls of Guardsmen worthy of being trophies.

To keep up with the massive requirement for art Geedubs uses a lot of freelance artists. Most of them are shit.

Its what happens when you release a 100 page book a week.

>Tyranids encroaching on Ball
>Fight a desperate battle to stop them
>Deal heavy damage but ultimately fail
>Ask the Sanguinor if Baal can be saved
>There is yet hope
>OK cool, send half the chapter to the Eye
F Baal
Would it have killed GW to use another chapter? Maybe one of the hundred that have names and no fluff. Or one of the other hundred that have names and fluff.

>>49299327
>Yes, the general idea of things like this is usually to make money.

A lazy cash grab is what I meant. It's like 10 pages of fluff that just read like battle summaries which can be written in 1 days or spaced out to several says + 4 new art pieces. The rest is reused art.

In AoS books, you get on average 25 art pieces in each book and satisfactory amount of fluff that tell epic stories.

40K is falling behimd AoS in quality and quantity.

>>49299514
>40K is falling behimd AoS in quality and quantity
Because GW is bored of 40k so they're trying to kill it with shit art, fluff and retcons to justify Age of Emperor

>>49299480
Look at it from GW's perspective. They wanted to make a CSM and BA release. Both of them are falling behind. They cannot afford to release them separably, the releases schedule would suffer.

So they write an event where both BA and CSM clash regardless of the stupidity of it lorewise. This why they update both armies and everyone is happy.

>>49299480
The alliance of all the Blood Angel Successor Chapters are chilling on Baal while the Blood Angels go get their shit kicked in by the Black Crusade.

They're all just killing time, waiting for the Lamenters to get back to Baal so they can start the party proper.

The Lamenters said that if everything goes right, they'll be there soon.

I'm sure nothing will go wrong.

>>49281915

In the case of Kharn destroying a Knight, that's something he can actually do on the table.

>>49299480
Aside from that the fluff in this book was surprisingly not awful. I'd go so far as to say it'll be acknowledged in my rpg/tt wargame group (once I get the epub around.)
Good job GW, I'm semi-hyped for the next one

>dark vengeance models in all the art

GW, just make new chaos marine sculpts already. Shit is so outdated.

>>49299901
It is awful in how formulaic it is.

All these campaign books follow the same formula. Imperials lose he first one and in the second one they win. Always and without fail.

The Grey Knights will come and seal the cage leaving the whole thing pointless.

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>>49299572
>Because GW is bored of 40k
>bored of their cash cow that is the only reason the company has remained afloat

>>49300121
AoS is the cashcow now.

40K is old Yeller.

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>>49299327
>a good point

No, it's as retarded as the droll trolls herping about Age of Emprah. It may seem clever to ignorant outsiders, but anyone with experience in 40k lore knows Berzerkers don't spill blood and collect skulls for themselves. Just as anyone with experience in GW business practices knows they'll fuck over customers with lazy shit like AoS without a care, but would NEVER fuck with sales of plastic space marines for any reason.

At the risk of jinxing - Not even GW would be that stupid.

>>49299480

Only the first and second companies, or parts of them, went to Crytpus and were on the way back to Baal when they got word about the fifth company, or a part of it, heading to the Diamor system. That still leaves seven companies to defend Baal with possibly parts of the other three if they didn't deploy in full force.

Also, putting the Imperium above themselves feels like a very Blood Angel thing to do. Blood Angels also still have the theme that they're a possibly doomed Chapter and will be consumed by the Red Thirst or Black Rage and thus the desire to go out fighting.

>>49299514

They had to do a lot more with AoS both because it was new and they were seemingly trying to move the first arc to conclusion with every book, books which were around $75 if I recall correctly.

There are also some other factors at play such as both books seemingly attempting to add more rules to two armies and possibly trying the tactic of only having a book focus on one faction in return for it being cheaper. Angel's Blade is apparently going to be Traitor's Hate from the Blood Angel point of view, not a continuation.

>>49299572

What have they retconned?

I'm going to laugh my ass off when lorewise the so called Age of Emperor is just the 13th Black Crusade becoming the new status quo and partially a justification to have rules for at least some of the Daemon Primarchs in 40k.

>>49301875

I said it was a good point because Kharn, as of late at least, as seemingly been concerned with worthy offerings. Using that characterization I couldn't see him really being impressed enough with Guardsman he probably ran through in a couple seconds to take them as trophies. It's debatable if he even does such a thing. Judging by his newest model he only appears to have two skulls that really look like trophies, the others could all be courtesy of Khorne.

I know Berserkers kill for Khorne, but that doesn't necessarily mean some of them don't take trophies.

>>49302394
>What have they retconned?
Here's a list of things I've noticed. I'm just going to list them off without opinion because this is easy flame war territory and I don't want no trouble.
The Black Templar were 4000-6000 marines. Author says GW is now internally enforcing codex strength Black Templar.
The origin of the Emperor's power and by extension, the Primarchs
Nikaea/Sorcery and Psyker difference
New fluff is pushing the idea that the Horus Heresy's result was Just As Planned for Chaos - certifiably not the case in earlier fluff.
Chaos Undivided being removed almost entirely from existence.

>>49302471

None of those things is recent and some are more clarifications or explanations than anything, having nothing to do with 40k advancing.

>The Black Templar were 4000-6000 marines. Author says GW is now internally enforcing codex strength Black Templar.

This is possibly to justify them being within the Space Marines codex and not having their own. By rights Black Templars probably should have their own codex or a supplement, but they're seemingly not popular enough to justify it, if they were then they never would have been rolled into the Space Marine codex.

Honestly, Space Marines seem hard to make the lore accurate to the rules because so much of lore with Chapters who deviated from the Codex Astartes seemingly happened at a time when people didn't give a damn about bloated rule sets or possibly even balance and it was nothing to tack just more rules onto an army.

FW has probably come the closest to something of an elegant solution with the Legion rules and their various Rites of War, but that is seemingly only possibly because the Space Marine Legions make up the majority of the armies in Horus Heresy. Of the twenty-two armies listed for the aforementioned on FW's website, 18 of them are a flavor of Space Marine. If you include the Blackshields than the number of armies and Space Marine armies goes up to twenty-three and nineteen respectively.

At the moment the force number of the Black Templars seems like a nebulous thing and something that GW could go back on, same with the lore changes for the Iron Hands.

>The origin of the Emperor's power and by extension, the Primarchs

To my knowledge the Emperor's origin has not been touched upon. If anything arguably messed it up it was the introduction of the War in Heaven with the third edition Necron codex.

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>>49302807
>To my knowledge the Emperor's origin has not been touched upon.
The Emperor's origin was gone into detail Realms of Chaos, where it was said he was the result of many thousands of human shamans who were all powerful in the harmonious side of the warp (The warp in this incarnation of the fluff wasn't entirely chaos. It had a ying/yang element to it) merging into one fantastically powerful supersoul. They did this in response to chaos starting to overrun the warp.
He was basically the human Ynnead

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>>49302881
At this point in the fluff the Primarchs were also a secret from chaos. But the Chaos Gods found out about it and realized the Emperor and the Primarchs together were a terrible threat.

At the risk of starting a shitstorm. I definitely prefer this version of the story.

>>49302471

>Nikaea/Sorcery and Psyker difference

To my knowledge psychic powers and sorcery is seemingly something that 40k always struggled with and seemingly still does. One moment you're told they're the same thing and the next you're led to believe they're not, but the difference is never explained. If there is no difference why bother muddling the issue by using different names?

It seems like the intention always was that they were one in the same since in both case the Decree of Nikaea resulted in Librarians being banned.

>New fluff is pushing the idea that the Horus Heresy's result was Just As Planned for Chaos - certifiably not the case in earlier fluff.

Not sure of this, but it's possible to extrapolate something considering that the gods scattered the Primarchs.

>Chaos Undivided being removed almost entirely from existence.

Chaos Undivided isn't so much being removed as you're no longer rewarded for it, which is perfectly in line with the lore that the Chaos gods despise each other and only rarely come together. Personally I have nothing wrong with Undivided Daemon Princes being special characters or just rare.

Again too we run into a conflict between the lore and the rules. Chaos as now come to mostly be represented by the four gods, so you're not going to have every minor entity or possible alternatively means of transcending mortality represented in the codex. Furthermore such things beg the question of how do you represent these concepts ruleswise. The current Marks and Daemon rules are all pretty straightforward, but how do you explain Undivided Marks conferring a certain benefit or all Princes being the same?

The only thing for Princes I could say is that if people want Undivided ones bad enough, they just be the basic version with few upgrades and that the god aligned ones are differentiated, which might bring headaches and bloat of its own.

>>49302992
>but the difference is never explained. If there is no difference why bother muddling the issue by using different names?
I personally enjoy the FFG approach to it, which follows the original Nikaea approach. Sorcery is power that is gained or bargained for, psychic is inherent talent. Anyone with enough knowledge and skill can manifest phenomena and power with the right rituals and materials (sorcery), but only natural born psykers can manifest traditional psychic powers.

>Not sure of this, but it's possible to extrapolate something considering that the gods scattered the Primarchs.
The prime evidence comes from Codex: Dark Angels. All the prior codices, when Luther refuses to kill the Lion, it says that the Chaos Gods cried out with rage that they were once more denied victory. The "once more denied victory" bit is conspicuously absent from the most recent dex. Another one I'm not a fan of.

>Chaos Undivided isn't so much being removed as you're no longer rewarded for it, which is perfectly in line with the lore that the Chaos gods despise each other and only rarely come together. Personally I have nothing wrong with Undivided Daemon Princes being special characters or just rare.
This makes sense. I have no strong feelings regarding this, though I'm decidedly not a fan of Bela'kor. I would have prefered they just removed undivided princes wholesale instead of replacing them with a Fantasy immigrant.

>>49302881

I meant to say that there was no recent evidence of the Emperor's origins. The stuff from Realm of Chaos was the last written and I don't think it has ever been repeated, again at least recently.

>>49303061

>I personally enjoy the FFG approach to it, which follows the original Nikaea approach. Sorcery is power that is gained or bargained for, psychic is inherent talent. Anyone with enough knowledge and skill can manifest phenomena and power with the right rituals and materials (sorcery), but only natural born psykers can manifest traditional psychic powers.

That is the position I think a lot of people take given what sorcery is usually described as and GW not being clear on the subject.

I have to admit that I wasn't entirely clear on what the retcon was from memory and looking it up in the Index Astartes article covering the Thousand Sons discovered that originally the lore did act like there was a distinction between the two and that this was blurred in Visions of Heresy.

These leaves one of two possibilities, Alan Merrett didn't know the difference between psychic powers or sorcery or he thought banning everything all together made for a better story since it effectively robbed the Loyalists at first of one of their greatest defenses against Chaos. Suppose you could also say that people within 40k might get the two things mixed up and that there were also those weary of making Space Marines even more powerful.

Not sure about that bit of lore with the Dark Angels, I could see it meaning nothing, meaning that the Chaos gods had already won in a small or some small ways, or that things may change when the Horus Heresy gets around to that part.

I think people put too much stock into that little blurb of lore about Bela'kor. Lorgar makes sense Undivided because he venerates all the gods and Perturabo has no particular affinity with any one god. It did occur to me that they could use the Forge of Souls as the means of Perturabo's ascension.

>>49280454
The art is one of the few things I still like about 40k. Thansk for sharing.

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How do people stomach this?

>>49303871
>I think people put too much stock into that little blurb of lore about Bela'kor.

People put stock in more than that.

AoS for example said that the only True Undivided Champion of Chaos is Archoan. Due to the jealousy and paranoia of the Chaos Gods, only Archaon alone carries the blessing of all Four Gods. This scrubs the idea of existence of any Undivided Chaos champion in AoS and maybe even WHFB.

Going on, check Path to Glory of 40K and AoS. You won't find a path towards Chaos Undivided. There is only Four Paths to Chaos worship and Daemonhood open for the players. Where is Undivided? Nowhere because the Gods won't accept anyone who is not singularly loyal (except Abaddon who is a special case). Obviously, GW finds the Undivided thing a bad idea and is phasing it from the setting.

People who want Pert and Lorgar to retain their Undivided status despite everything are the worse. They want to ruin what makes a good character great (Be'lakor) for the sake of their favourite pet characters

>>49306581
>They want to ruin what makes a good character great (Be'lakor) for the sake of their favourite pet characters
>Implying Be'lakor was great

This is why lizards drop rocks anon

>>49306626
He was voted by GW/BL writers and devs as the greatest villain of WHFB when Doom of Gotrek came out.

You cannot argue with that.

>>49306638
>You cannot argue with that.

Do you know where you are?

>>49306354
They're 40k fans, anon.

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>>49280742

That quotes actually pretty fucking cool

>>49306581
Or maybe they just preferred the fluff when it was better and Undivided was a thing.

>>49306354
Is this a joke? For gods sake even WD articles had better art than this when they showed the colours and heraldry of different factions.

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>>49306851
>Is this a joke?
Nope

>>49303871
>The stuff from Realm of Chaos was the last written and I don't think it has ever been repeated, again at least recently.
30k has been expanding on that, basically setting up the Emperor as a long running pawn of Tzeentch, essentially.

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Shit just got real. We got the last story of thE Red Path series.

It's Abaddon vs Kharn. One vs one! (picture related.

You dont do a 40% sale on nockoffs for a good reason

>>49306638
>He was voted by GW/BL writers and devs as the greatest villain of WHFB when Doom of Gotrek came out.
>voted by GW/BL writers and devs
>writers and devs
How funny, did they decide that over their little tea party as well?

>>49307324
>How funny, did they decide that over their little tea party as well?

Probably on Skype. According to the Interviews, whenever they hold a meeting usually its via skyp.

>>49282382
Because one of GW politics is that all wart must be based on models that actually exist, so that no other company can "fill the gap"

>>49307361
^This
AoS already fully follows this policy and it looks horrible. Their books have the same model in every pose imaginable. If they don't make it, it isn't in any art picture.

Get used to that chaos lord, your going to see him everywhere.

The days of GW creativity are gone.

>>49299649
The thing is that nids are STILL stuck in 6e with at least one special rule that doesn't even matter anymore (Shadow in the warp) and a force org chart thats only available in Shield of Baal: Leviathan. They could've paired CSM with any other space marine chapter, and then continued the Shield of Baal tyranid conflict and updated BA and Nids. But fuck that that'd be too smart.

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>>49280819

On table top can Kharn even kill a Titan?

>>49311079
With gorechild? Yes.

>>49311113

Its not a guaranteed kill but its close, 72.1% chance of a destroyed result and 3.932 hullpoints removed.

Better hope he kills it or the return attacks are gonna rape him.

>>49297207
>That's both stupid, retarded and cool at the same time.

Welcome to Warhammer 40k

>>49311079
>>49311113
>>49311373

>implying Kharn will ever get into melee with a Titan before its blown his transport and shot his escort unit to shit

>implying any Imperials would take a titan when they can spam Razorbacks and Grav

>>49311473
My preheresy Kharn has a couple stompa's, a warhound, and an elder scorpion as confirmed kills, but it had a Storm eagle drive it in. If it was in a normal raider... whew man...

>>49311643

How is the Storm Eagle? I was thinking about getting one for my Blood Angels.

>>49311822
Do you want a flyer that can transport 20 dudes with a multimelta? Does your meta not pack anywhere near the amount of anti air to shoot down an armor 12 flyer?

If you said yes to both its godly, a guaranteed turn 3-4 charge of anything you want.

>>49311993

It looks better than a Storm Raven and I want a flying transport in 40k and 30k, was my thinking.

And no, so far all i've seen from my meta is tankspam Guard and Knights without the AA guns. I guess the one Tau player counts but the majority of people run Tyranids or Imperials, especially Grey Knights, Deathwatch, and fellow Blood Angels.

Oh, and Harlequins. Lots of Harlequins and Dark Eldar.

>>49306354

Because they understand it's for learning color schemes quickly and nothing else.

>>49306581

What is true for AoS is not necessarily true for 40k.

Why Path to Glory has no Undivided option is probably because GW is making it something reserved for special characters only, characters who achieve things of great import, as I said. Lorgar and Perturabo fit that description.

>>49306851

>Or maybe they just preferred the fluff when it was better and Undivided was a thing.

Undivided is still a thing, you just no longer get special rewards for it since you don't worship one of the gods enough or it has come to symbolize a Warband with members who worship different gods.

>>49307361

I wasn't aware of it being confirmed as a policy, it's just as likely that the artists took the least work intensive route to get their paycheck.

>>49312489

>I wasn't aware of it being confirmed as a policy

We can't verify any of their actual policy. HOWEVER, we can verify what would influence their decision making process; the Chapter House lawsuit and GW's inability to defend their IP when people make models of artwork they have no models for. Likewise, making bits and models for things they don't explicitly include in their kits.

Hence why newer codex are starting to feature ONLY the rules options presented in the model kit.

>>49312489
>What is true for AoS is not necessarily true for 40k.

Same writers, same direction runs in both settings in regards to Chaos. It's in 40K where the Undivided purge first started, remember?

> characters who achieve things of great import, as I said. Lorgar and Perturabo fit that description.

In a relatively recent WD, in the ask the White Dwarf section, some guy asked if Lorgar was an Undivided Prince. The White Dwarf did not give a straight answer and dodged the question.

I mean if Lorgar was Undivided, why didn't WD just say so? Hm?

>>49312547

That's still an educated guess and like I said could as easily be the artist's fault.

Truthfully I don't recall the specifics if the various 5th Edition models that didn't have rules at first had actual art or not. If they did it seems kind of weird to me that another company could rush a model out and claim that GW is in the wrong for putting out a model afterwards since the original art seemingly belongs to GW.

>>49312910

Not necessarily the same direction, 40k and Fantasy diverged on things and I can't think of any reason why AoS would be different.

WD danced around the question because it's WD and they seemingly only answer questions you could already find answers for elsewhere. Not to mention that status of Lorgar and Perturabo involves the future of the Horus Heresy and possibly 40k which they obviously don't have leave to talk about.

>>49313018

If it was only one artist I'd be more willing to believe that, but its been happening consistency across every book with every artist they hire on.

>>49280888
>Dat art
So based. I feel like the time for that kind of artistic quality has passed for this game.

>>49297207
>That one marine is pulling the pin out of a frag with his pointy helmet teeth.

They're Chaos Marines. That may be his real teeth by this point.

>>49313459

>smudgy half-assed background
>blurry details everywhere
>buried under filters
>enough red brown red to make Blanche jealous

Yeah no.

>>49300139
>AoS is the cashcow now.
>believing the memes

AoS had a high initial buy, but then purchases dropped off drastically when people discovered that it largely sucked. It has been creeping back up as GW has done damage control, but it's still FAR from making them major money.

>>49313528
It's got that old 40k grit. All the new shit is too clean, sterile and really uninspired.

>>49306851
>>49307117

That art is purely to show paint schemes for ease of differentiation. It's simple and flat so that basic painters can easily match the colors to a paint.

It's not artwork so much as it is a guide.

>>49313624

Its literally 1:1 with the old Kharn model and not much of a variation on that model's pose, either, just standing on top of a pile of skulls with a smudgy and very lazy background. The only difference between this and newer shit is they threw on more ugly filters.

Both are complete garbage.

>>49280888
Checked. Praise Khorne.

>>49313459
That's from the current codex you bootlick.

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>>49313646
It still looks like a cheap joke compared to the old equivalents.

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>>49280888
out of the way post- 2nd shits

>>49297207
Those aren't helmet teeth anon.

His face has fused with his helm. That's his mouth.

>>49297207
>both
>lists three
>stupid and retarded as though they're different adjectives in the colloquial sense being used

No, anon, you are the tards.

>>49306354
Why do you think people are flocking to 30k?

>>49290111
Compared to a .75, yes.

>>49294161
maybe he knew that guardsmen were completely aware that they were facing off against him, the most terrifying warrior in existence and still fought bravely and honorably. maybe he respects that or something

>>49313523

It's really an aspect that GW should start to emphasize more since it's the type of stuff that makes the CSM aesthetically interesting.

>>49314029

And the old equivalents did not take up two or more pages, weren't some of the only colored pictures in an otherwise black and white book, and didn't always have the type of variation you see.

>>49314420

Because they like Space Marines, the Heresy is different from the status quo, and the game is supposedly better.

>>49307246
I fucking love this. Thank you

>>49313770
That art had been in chaos codex for ages. It's old as balls.

>>49299327
>I sort of doubt Kharn would find the skulls of Guardsmen worthy of being trophies
those were probably the ones that found him, and he found them interesting enough to add their skulls.
while khorne may be picky about some things, skulls are skulls

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>>49299671
ah damn it

>>49280852
Kharn's anger literally scorches rock. How can loyalists compete?

>>49280572

I'mma climb up that leg and stick my bayonet in its eye.

>>49314029
This looks better as art, but is objectively worse at it's goal of being paint color scheme guide.

>>49280454
New lore its so shit, I miss when andy chambers and pete haines did it. It was so rad but with a focused tone of actual good stuff, not edgy over the top retcons.

>>49280616
>this scrub
back in 2003 defilers where the shit! however power creep now made them weak which is pretty sad actually.

>>49280454
most of their new art its so shit.

they dont have good competent artist anymore, its fucking beyond me why.

>>49322481
because they don't want to pay them too much
the target consumer prefers quantity to quality
and because competent artists ask for more rights over their creations while GW is asinine in the enforcement of IP

>>49322873
It's not as dripping with character as the old stuff but honestly it's not so bad.

Honestly I think the real problem is instead of letting the artist go to town with the setting they just go "Take these new shitty designs and draw them fighting."

I really doubt these guys get much freedom or direction.