>Christian Humans >Islamic Elves >Hindu Dwarves >Buddhist

>>49277934
>orcs
>not shinto

>>49277934

>Christian Humans
>Islamic Beastfolk
>Atheist Elves
>Satanist Dwarves
>Shinto Orcs

>>49277934
Nah, man. Jew dwarves.

File: pRkLwvd.jpg (293KB, 2048x1359px) Image search: [Google]

293KB, 2048x1359px

>Islamic Humans
>Christian Orcs

>Pointless spam Thread

File: tumblr_inline_nftsuu1exS1sv56p4.jpg (62KB, 500x390px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 500x390px

>>49277973

That's overplayed man.
You got to go with Jew Griffins. You got to.

File: 1426054545233.jpg (83KB, 348x505px) Image search: [Google]

83KB, 348x505px

>Fantasy world
>Religions don't exist

The mark of a bad DM

>>49277985

Cmon, try to be creative

>Pointless spam Elves

>>49277973
>not medieval catholic italians
>literally Florence, Venice, Genoa, Milan and Rome
>grudges become century long cycles of vendetta punctuated by outside invasions
>dwarf banks are cutthroat organisations whose retribution is feared by all, with tendrils spread all the way to the distant east

>>49277995
barneyfag pls

File: even_v_understands_this.jpg (427KB, 1100x1100px) Image search: [Google]

427KB, 1100x1100px

>>49277934
>hey /tg/ let's discuss the barely-defined and author-dependent concept of elves, because...
>you can theoretically use discussion of elves in various media as ~worldbuilding inspiration~ for a setting if you want to, which...
>can be part of some TRADITIONAL GAMES so it's on topic!!!

>>49278022
Why do you hate fun anon? XD Cancerous offtopic shitposting is so much fun!

>>49277934
>Chinese folk religion Goblins

>has done literally no research into the customs of our future overlords

This is why they always shoot at us in the movies.

>>49277962
>>49277934
>not jewish dwarves

>>49278013
>Pointless spam Elves
>Shitposting Goblins
>Serious Discussion Dwarves
>Dank Meme Orcs
>/pol/ derail humans.

The world would be well depressing if all humans were Muslims

>>49278099
It would essentiall be the same, all religions big enough just fall apart in doctrinal quibbling.

File: image.jpg (131KB, 483x350px) Image search: [Google]

131KB, 483x350px

>>49277973
It's Jew Orcs, you fool!

>>49278022
Except discussing elves is worldbuilding, not "worldbuilding inspiration." Any discussion of fantasy races from fantasy games is secondary by nature

>>49278089
Gnomes are the Jews.

>>49278094
>orcs are evil /fit/ Pepes that reproduce memetically
>just fighting them off exposes you to a mind virus that must be suppressed afterward
Truly the most grimdark of settings.

>>49278127
>races from fantasy games
Do you really think elves in general ORIGINATED from a game?

>>49277995
Shouldn't you be somewhere else fucking a horse?

>>49278201

I don't get the reference.

Hippogriffs?

>>49277934
Islam would fit better with orcs.
Nothing is cooler than green men in desert gear.

>>49278167
>Orcs are actually misunderstood. While Humans and Dwarves consider them uncouth barbarians, their rich oral tradition of baneposting reveals a refined if untamed, artistic culture.

>elves force their women to cover up so as to not tempt human males
Makes sense.

>>49278272
Honestly, kinda fits.

File: crusaderflag.jpg (176KB, 702x886px) Image search: [Google]

176KB, 702x886px

So now its not just a religious crusade, but a genocide? Excellent.

File: 1430978951313.png (16KB, 309x266px) Image search: [Google]

16KB, 309x266px

>>49278300
IT JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER YOU KNOW?

Sihk Kobolds.

Ancestor worshipping tribal Goblins who actually pull it off because the ghosts of goblins literally refuse to pass to the Outer Planes in favor of hanging around to advise their families/friends/descendants. Many tribes are directly ruled by councils of dead leaders.

>>49278089
Only if you incorporate cool stuff like the Kabbalah or Key of Solomon instead of just "dude jew dwarfs! jewwwww doorrrfffs"

>>49278022
Must be embarassing to not be able to wrap your head around an idea even /v/ grasps. According to that inforgraph, this thread is on-topic by being Secondary.

>>49278022
I can hear your heavy, weasy breathing

>>49278214
Griffins are Jews in my little pony

>>49277934
>Islamic Elves
So you have to deal with ISIS tier Drow, and have Persian High Elves?

>>49278022
So it's secondary.
>World building
>Traditional games

>>49278555
>Traditional games aren't set in fantasy worlds that require worldbuilding
GURPS is literally worldbuilding the system, even D&D has always had advice for building homebrew settings.

>>49278550
Wood elves are Balkans muslims, plagued by an influx of drow cultists trying to turn them into screaming drwahabbis

Roman Pantheon Humans
Zoroastrian Elves
Carthaginian Dwarves
Totemist Orcs

>>49278634
Well then it's primary then. So >>49278022 is still full of shit.

>>49278634
>Wood elves are Balkans muslims, plagued by an influx of drow cultists trying to turn them into screaming drwahabbis
Moon Elves are Suffi Mystics?

File: Elf-Qaeda.jpg (262KB, 1000x1296px) Image search: [Google]

262KB, 1000x1296px

>>49277934
>>Islamic Elves

>>49278238
Islamic/arabian folklore is actually really dreamy and contrived, a perfect fit for elves if you ask me.

I think orthodox orcs would be a good fit. Orcs most resemble humans after all. So they would be too different from Christianity.

>>49277978
>setting takes place in that brief beautiful moment in time that Islam was more progressive than Christianity and Europe actually had to get its shit together.

The party would be made out of merchants an mercanaries that travel all over the (known) world and try to foil a desert spirits evil plan to make a world spanning desert.

Then orc crusaders ruin everything

I would play it.

>Read thread
>No norse dwarves
wat

>>49279111
>orc crusaders
>ruining anything

>>49278094
I bet there is a goblin behind this post.

File: 31e.png (246KB, 680x583px) Image search: [Google]

246KB, 680x583px

>>49278094
>serious discussion dwarves

>>49279111
butthurt turkroach detected

>>49277934
>Three wise men were travelling across the country, going from town to town to teach wisdom. At one town in particular, they were welcomed warmly by the townspeople, and offered gifts of the town's produce. One of the gifts was a large pot of vinegar. The first of the wise men dipped his finger into the vinegar, tasted it, and a sour expression came across his face. "This vinegar is too sour," he said, "take it away." The second of the wise men dipped his finger into the vinegar, tasted it, and a scowl came across his face. "This vinegar tastes terrible. It is far too bitter, take it away." Then the third man dipped his finger into the vinegar, tasted it, and smiled. "Mmm!" The other two looked at him confused. "Now this tastes like vinegar!"

>In the Chinese tradition, the three vinegar tasters are Confucius, Buddha and Loazi, and each one's reaction is representative of their respective religion's attitude on life. Confucius sees the vinegar as soured wine, and sees it in need of correction, just as society should be maintained through strict rules. Buddha recoils at the taste of the vinegar, and sees it as being too extreme for the body and an example of the suffering of life. Laozi, on the other hand, recognises that vinegar is what it is, and our perception of it is biased by our judgement of what it "should be"

Confucian Dwarves
Buddhist Elves
Taoist Humans

>>49278865
How is this thread primary? It doesn't mention games in the OP. It mentions elves, which did not originate in a traditional game. Discussion of elves as a concept is not necessarily discussion of a traditional game.

>>49278300
>>49278323
>Crusader-fags
Reminder that you guys lost all but the first crusade.
Well, except for the fourth where you couldn't be bothered to half-ass it and robbed your allies blind.

>>49279111
>brief
You mean around a millenia? Geological speaking it's brief, tho.

>>49279569
Reminder that there were multiple crusades, like shit in Spain/Portugal
Also fuck Constantinople, they deserved to be sacked.

>>49277934
>Buddhist Orcs
That would be kind of awesome.

>fear is nothing
>hate is nothing
>death is nothing

Thus go an do what must be done and win this battle.

>>49279588
>We failed to pay the men who won our civil war for us
>We slaughtered the famlies of the men who hired them out to us less than ten years ago
>Why would these barbarians hate us so ;-;

That's Dragon Age.
Minus Orcs.

>>49277934
>Islamic Elves
That explains the "all elf women are sluts" stereotype. Any elf not constantly covered head-to-toe and not constantly under male supervision would pump out a trillion half-humans.

>>49279569
>Juding crusaders by their victory and not by their character
Saint Louis did LITERALLY nothing wrong.

>>49279571
>>49279569
and the Northern Crusades

>>49279798
>By their character
>Rich second borns who had no inheritance pay lip service to the church to go on a rape and pillage spree across the middle east in hopes of looting enough shit to live a rich and comfy life.
>And then FAIL at that or loot their allies.

>>49279839
>looting
Islam shitter go home

>>49279839
>Firstborn who had inherited the most powerful country in Europe (Heretical Germanic Confederates need not apply)
>Was loyal to the Church to the point where even his contemporaries considered him radical
>Ignored the Levant in favor of Egypt because he considered fighting in the Levant the equivalent of fighting a lion by grabbing his tail
>His moral character, kindness and dignity in captivity even inspired the Egyptian Sultan, who had every reason in the world to hate him
>Returned to France to reform the entire legal system to become more fair and just

I reiterate once more: Saint Louis did LITERALLY, LI-TE-RAL-LY NOTHING wrong.

>>49279731

Basically this.

Every now and again, an elf woman escapes from her homeland and fornicates with as many people as she can. A squad of elite Elvish assassins is usually dispatched for obvious reasons.

>>49279909
True, but not all crusaders were Saint Louis. There's a reason he's a saint and the crusades were embarrassing defeats

>>49279897
What else would you call what the cursaders did to Constantinople other than your standard Rape, pillage, and burn?

>>49279839
>pay lip service to the church to go on a rape and pillage spree across the middle east in hopes of looting enough shit to live a rich and comfy life.

The Muslims literally did the exact same thing to every non-Islamic country they bordered.

>>49279967
Easy, payback for massacring the Latins.

>>49279989
Not him, but
>tu quoque

>>49279994
>Payback
Bruh, it was just the Venetians being scummy Jews. You don't just fucking invade the Roman Empire like some savage German or barbaric Muslim (though to be honest, the difference between the two becomes less clear with every passing day).

>>49280044
The Roman Empire died in Rome. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

>>49280044

>tu quoque

Only relevant when I'm trying to disprove the statement I was responding to.

I was not, I was pointing out the Muslims happily did the exact same thing and any future or past attempts at painting them as the victims is hypocritical.

>>49280063
So the West Roman Empire, being based in Lugdunum and Ravenna for most of its existence, wasn't Roman either? Good to know.

>>49278079
By the end of the century, China will be a Christian nation.

>>49280096
>supporting Eastern Heresy that protect itself from pagans
Fuck em, they deserved it.

>>49277958
this tbqh

>>49279989
>>49280087
Not saying the muslims didn't. I'm saying there's no reason to paint the crusaders as any more holy and vigilant than that. They were no better, nor worse than the other.
Except one side repeatedly kicked the other's ass back into Europe.

>>49280154
No, the crusaders literally dindu nuffin and anyone that doesn't support them hates God.

File: 1447208431998.png (6KB, 358x235px) Image search: [Google]

6KB, 358x235px

>>49280154
>Except one side repeatedly kicked the other's ass back into Europe.

And that one side is nowadays painted as a gleaming beacon of progressive ideology and hyper-advanced humanism that Europe simply can't fathom to compete against, and was in fact such an exceptional period of human history that it's still used today as an example of how Islam was, and still is, a tolerant religion of peace and love.

>>49280202
Why do godless atheists/pagans try to pretend that islam is good?

>>49280202
Now let's not get ahead of ourselves. I'm just saying the crusades were an absolute defeat for Europe.
That said, the middle east would have been much less shit if the mongols didn't come fuck everything up for them and everyone they touched.

Italian/Swiss Humans worshiping Almighty Gygax
Mesopotamian/Egyptian Dwarves with mountain-top cities that stargaze
Arabic Elves that wander space and are totally not C'Thulhu worshipers
Roman Hobgoblins with ancestor worship
Celtic Hobbits that are generic Shamanfolk from the Isle.
Polynesian Spirit-seeker Dragonborn

>>49280282
>Nearly 2000 years ago some backwards horse archers fucked shit up and left
>That's why the Middle East is shit today

>>49280282
>I'm just saying the crusades were an absolute defeat for Europe.
>Islam is out of France and Spain
>More national unity for fighting off roaches
no

>>49280282
>the middle east would have been much less shit if the mongols didn't come fuck everything up for them and everyone they touched.

Plenty of places got booty bothered by the Mongolians, most of those places are doing pretty well for themselves today.

Maybe the bigger issue that caused the Middle East to become a filthy backwater was the mapping of trade routes across the tip of Africa and the discovery of the New World, two events that shifted international trade from the Middle East to new places. As the Middle East lost their easy silk road income and the Ottoman Empire became a decadent mess, people became radicalized.

>>49280309
Islam was pushed out of France and Spain long before the Crusades.

>>49280297
600 years ago, and actually yeah, most of the middle east took a pretty hard nosedive after the mongols were done with it. Though the western half, namely the Mali, Songhai, and friends did pretty well. until the late 1500s
Then >>49280333 happened. I suppose the better way to say it was the mongols were the boot that set off a good shitstorm that ruined the middle east.

>>49280309
>More national unity for fighting off roaches
And the nations of Europe go to turbo-hating each other afterwards, the crusades were a temporary unifying bandaid that got ripped off the second they stopped.
>Islam is out of France and Spain
Those were due to Inquisitions, not the crusades.
>inb4 someone tries to claim they're the same thing.
>Meanwhile no crusade ever really reclaimed the holy land.

>>49280378
Out of France yes.
Out of Spain no.

>>49280309
>Islam is out of France and Spain
Sadly that statement isn't as accurate as it would've been 100 years ago.

>>49280389
>Those were due to Inquisitions
>buying into the inquisition meme
>>49280394
Shut up reddit.

File: typical rpg group.png (235KB, 450x286px) Image search: [Google]

235KB, 450x286px

>>49279275
Norse Dwarves are just shorter, underground elves. Or more correctly alfs. Black alfs.

Too much risk of off-topic posting on Melmacheim race relations.

>>49280407
>Shut up reddit.
Shut up tumblr.

>>49280389
>I suppose the better way to say it was the mongols were the boot that set off a good shitstorm that ruined the middle east.

A culture that could only afford kindness and justice when times are really good could hardly be called an exceptional culture at all.

Which is what happened with the Middle East; things went to shit the moment the money stopped coming in, and when it stopped coming in they were all-too-eager to get in ships and literally rape, pillage and depopulate entire European settlements to sell as white slaves in the markets of Marrakesh and Istanbul.

That's like saying Ted down the road is a pretty swell guy, but since he got fired from his comfy office job he started stealing your lawn equipment and tries to sell marijuana to your wife's son.

File: 1380142006082.gif (916KB, 490x367px) Image search: [Google]

916KB, 490x367px

>>49280407
>Buying into the Inquisition meme
>Says the Crusader-fag

>>49280450
Only fags go on tumblr.
>>49280472
>doesn't understand what conquering the moor part of Spain means

>Catholic humans
>Amish elves
>Orthodox dwarves
>Hussite orcs
>Protestant Goblins

>>49280389
>Those were due to Inquisitions, not the crusades.

Mother of God, educate yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista

>>49280247
>>49280282
>biting the bait

just ignore them

jesus christ, i left /his/ for this exact reason

>>49280483
>>49280516
Oh, my bad.
Not that the Reconquista was a crusade except under a very, VERY loose definition

>>49280571
>Pope says it's a Crusade
Are you saying the Pope is wrong

>>49280613
>Started in 710
>First crusade wasn't until 300 years later.
Pretty much. More specifically, it started long before the crusades even started and the pope tried to throw a fancy name on someone else's war and claim "We were all fighting"
It's like if the US claimed it fought in ALL of WW2 from start to finish, when everyone knows that's just not the case.

>>49280389
>Those were due to Inquisitions, not the crusades.

Spanish inquisition, unlike the legend, didn't burn witches, heretics or anything like that. They were a political police body, the ones which could take and judge anybody anywhere, and when the country was more like an alliance of several people this was very useful to the crown as a political weapon.

In short, the spanish inquisition was more akin to the gestapo than to the witch-hunters of films. And actually developed several of the techniques the gestapo would use.

>>49280678
I actually didn't expect them to be witch hunter types, but that is pretty interesting.

>>49280678
>alliance of several people
I meant several kingdoms

>>49280673
>Pope says it's fine
>I-It's not a crusade because the pope didn't call it one

>>49280731
>War is literally half over.
>Pope calls out a weak "I-It's a crusade!"
>Several crusades start AND end while the war is still going in
>Crusades went in entirely a different direction.
>It's still a crusade because some old guy in a hat was trying to save face.

File: 1460207278267.jpg (11KB, 326x184px) Image search: [Google]

11KB, 326x184px

>>49277934
>>Islamic Elves
Oh goodie, another reason to kill elves.

>>49277934
Should make the orcs Islamic Jihadists and the Elves the Bhuddist ascetics.

>>49280782
It's still a crusade because he said so

>>49279569
>lost all but one
>what are the nothern crusades
>what was the reconquista

>>49280805
>Crusader fags this desperate to latch onto anything that won.
Another decade and you guys'll be calling the mongols that invaded baghdad a crusade too.

Someone please give me a tl;dr on Zoroastrianism so we can decide what race would follow that.

>>49280797

Why do you people love to kill Elves so much? Why are they always the target of genocide and rape?

>>49280843
No, because mongols are godless heathens.

>>49280864
Cos it's not really murder if it's elves, it's more like pest control or sumfin'.

>>49280864
Because they're evil and want to conquer the world and are really rude about it.

>>49280864
Because elves are typically portrayed as the superior race so it upsets them. They're upset that the elves are the rome to their barbarians.

>>49280864
>rape
>elf
Sorry but Elf = not rape

>>49280908
>They're upset that the elves are the rome to their barbarians
Or in this case the golden age caliphate to their dark age kingdom

File: 1390394788131.png (15KB, 336x328px) Image search: [Google]

15KB, 336x328px

>>49280864
>he doesn't want to kill elves
Them being muzzies on top of it is just icing on the cake.

>>49280928

Of course it's rape, Elves are civilized creatures with clear laws on consent.

>>49280928
You do realize that goes both ways, right? I can see the headlines already
>HFY not so though after being raped

>>49280957

Rome would still be the Elves in this example, anon.

The Golden Age Caliphate would be more like the orcs who conquered the money-making half of the Elven Empire.

>>49280976
>The Golden Age Caliphate would be more like the orcs who conquered the money-making half of the Elven Empire.
And turned it to shit. Hell, parts of North Africa still suffer from the Arab desertification. They conquered the regions that the Romans effectively prevented from desertification, never really picked up how the Romans did it and ruined the region forever. And if those regions ever become fertile once again, it won't be because of Muslim innovation.

>>49280928
>rape
>white
>Sorry but White = not rape

This is how you sound, Achmed.

>>49280864
Because Elves are slender, athletic, cleanly, pretty and spiritual.

There is a reason why /tg/ loves dwarves so much.

>>49280976
More like the Dark Elves, unless Elven Rome and Greece ended up learning agriculture and science from the orcs.

>>49281002
>They conquered the regions that the Romans effectively prevented from desertification
The region was in severe decline in Late Antiquity due to Roman civil wars, Berber incursion, and the Vandals, with harbors silting up and towns disappearing. Before the 11th century under the caliphates the region actually recovered and underwent renewed urbanization - including in places that had never seen its like under the Romans such as Morocco. Things declined when Beduoin raiders - as in not the same Arab colonists that initially settled and oversaw this revival - flooded in.

>>49281059
Why do you defend Islam?

>>49281077
>If you correct bad history you're taking sides

I hate all plebs equally.

>>49281077
Not anon, I believe the reason is because this is /tg not /pol. You want to start a Islam hate thread go to /pol. Here you have to use actual history and not made up stuff.

>>49281094
So you hate yourself?

>>49281059
>More like the Dark Elves, unless Elven Rome and Greece ended up learning agriculture and science from the orcs

Nope, still the Orcs. The Mesopotamians and Persians were a very distinct ethnic group from the Bedouins and other people who lived in the Arabian peninsula.

And then the Caliphate came screaming out of the desert, conquered the Persian Empire, and casually annihilated the world's oldest monotheistic religion while claiming the throne for themselves.

Arabia was a filthy backwater of bickering tribals and selfish merchants even after Muhammad came along. The only thing they share with the Persians and Levantine is a bit of Semitic blood.

Saying the Caliphate was like Achaemenid or even Sassanid Persia is like saying American blacks were ancient Egyptian kings.

>>49281125
The Mesopotamians and the Persians are the ones who defined what Islam was as a religion, a culture, and a state.

The Caliphate did not come screaming out of the desert, and if it did we'd have way more sources on it than we do now. The caliphate didn't exist until the second Umayyad ruler who took a loose tribal confederation and turned it into an empire. Plus, Zoroastrianism not only survived into modern times, but did so in large urban numbers until the 10th century, and in large rural numbers until the 17th century, both times suffering decline under native Persian Muslims.

>>49281106

>Here you have to use actual history and not made up stuff.

Unless you want to talk about trump or hillary... then you can pull your info out of your ass.

>>49281125
>Saying the Caliphate was like Achaemenid or even Sassanid Persia is like saying American blacks were ancient Egyptian kings.

Not really. Historians have written a lot about the direct parallels and influences of Sassanid culture on the Abbasids and later Islamic Persian rulers, but only crackpots on out of the way blogs and comment sections talk about WE WUZ KANGS seriously.

>>49281125
You do realize that makes Christians and the west less than Orcs since they were shit compared to Golden Age Caliphate, which outdo them and the Achaemenid and Sassanid Persia.

Christian Humans is good
Islamic Elves is like what the fuck were you thinking? They're more of a pantheism "everything is alive" type deal.
Hindu Dwarves now you're just trolling us all and it's working
Buddhist Orcs holy fuck
Goblins Chinese Folk Religion do you even know what that is?

>>49281287
Buddhist orks sounds hilarious though
Imagine the obligatory big and strong race, just tempered by nothing but their faith and monk-like ways. >>49279612

>>49281307
But then they'd never be raiders and just sit in their out of the way temples doing nothing but meditating all day. Why even call them orcs?

>>49281287
>not liking Islamic elves that worships the warlord that helped gave birth to there civilization

>>49280459
>north africa is the middle east


U wot mate.

>>49281287
>They're more of a pantheism "everything is alive" type deal.

Which lends itself to monism. Pantheism can be assimilated to the Islamic توحيد by assimilating it to a Sufi-style panentheism.

>>49280863
Good v evil. Family spat with hinduism. Highly dualistic. Ultimate fate of the universe undecided. Gnostic. Ahura Mazda is some nebulous heavenly thing that doesn't intervene in things.

>>49281321
>But then they'd never be raiders

Imperial Japan was very Buddhist.
They didn't cloister themselves.

>>49281380
I thought they were Shinto mostly

>>49281052
>Because Elves are slender, athletic, cleanly, pretty and spiritual.
No, they're conceited, pale, paper-thin, tree-hugging sword swallowers who will stab you in the back for a klondike bar and deserve no mercy.

Around elves, watch yourselves

>>49281321
Because I like the idea of the typical "Races" doing something different. It's how goblins vary from "Annoying little shits" to "annoyingly little crafty inventors" to "The banking clans" depending on setting.
Monk Orcs sounds great, especially in a setting with Martial arts, then they can be the big guys that know some kind of hilariously devastating stuff

Or you have them act Buddhist and give them some pseudo-Buddhist sounding reasons for raiding if you must.

>>49281380

There are at least a few Buddhist monk who are literally advocating murdering the fuck out of other religious groups.

Religious texts mean nothing.

>>49281363

To clarify: You retain the unity and divnity of nature, but place nature within God instead of claiming that it is God. That's how you retain Elvish nature worship while proclaiming that there is 'No god but God'. Nature becomes an aspect of the one true God.

>>49281396
>not trusting elves who are probably nice and won't fuck you over

>>49281393

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_at_War

Oriental religions tend to work in conjunction with one another. There is no contradiction in saying that a Japanese man follows Shinto and something like Rinzai Zen at the same time.

>>49281413
>Religious texts mean nothing.

I wouldn't go that far, but it must be said that tradition shapes the understanding of religious text, and usually predates it in some way. It might be added that traditions change with time.

>>49279111
>that brief beautiful moment in time that Islam was more progressive than Christianity and Europe actually had to get its shit together.

Stay mad, shit skin.

>>49281307
>>49281321

Are we going by what we'd prefer or find amusing, or whichever fits best?
I feel like the Orcs are basically ISIS except instead of "allahu akbar" they shout "waaagh"

>>49281324
desu senpai i don't

>>49281363
weren't the sufis always seen as weird at best by the rest of islam? i'm pretty sure pantheism to them is basically heresy

>>49281495
>not enjoying tree pagans worshiping the great warlord that led them to conquer the forest and try to ape off of Human beliefs to get more human's to consider them legit

File: 1466183581263.jpg (131KB, 960x686px) Image search: [Google]

131KB, 960x686px

>>49277934
>Islamic Elves
Smiting time

File: panen.jpg (54KB, 1041x236px) Image search: [Google]

54KB, 1041x236px

>>49281495
>i'm pretty sure pantheism to them is basically heresy

Pantheism sure, but there are precedents with panentheism.

>>49280863
The world is a battleground between good and Truth, represented by Ahura Mazda, and evil and Lies, represented by Ahriman

As all individuals have free will (even Ahriman), they should follow the path of Truth by thinking good thoughts, speaking good words and doing good deeds, which is pretty similar to Christian morality. In fact, there's a lot that's familiar about Zoroastrianism, such as a Messiah figure (the Saoshyant) as well as a heaven that all people may enter (the House of Song/Abode of Light). That said, Zoroastrianism is less critical of hedonism (you can get drunk once in a while but don't become an alcoholic), is more egalitarian towards women and is more averse to slavery.

Fire is considered sacred as it is seen as an agent of Truth (tho it is not actually worshipped). Water and earth are also seen as being sacred, and as such Zoroastrians were not traditionally buried or cremated as that would 'pollute' the flame or earth. Instead, Zoroastrians have 'sky burials' where the body is left to be feasted upon by birds and beasts.

Zoroastrianism is also where we get the term 'magic', from their priests, the Magi (as in the three Magi that visited Jesus). We probably associate certain animals with magic (snakes, toads, cats etc) because of this, as those animals were thought to be agents of Ahriman.

This isn't really much of a tldr but fuck it, Zoroastrianism is fascinating

>>49282187
>Kebabs destroyed this
How horrible.

File: charropen.jpg (66KB, 1164x662px) Image search: [Google]

66KB, 1164x662px

Christian-type humans is boring.

I like the Guild Wars 2 setting, where the humans are a much-diminished race throwing endless religious parties to distract from their loss, while the Charr (basically beastmen/gnolls) are a force of industry and growth who have turned atheistic after realising their 'gods' were evil.

>>49282249
>being a dirty pagan
Stop that.

>>49282187
Also one of the biggest differences between Zoroastrianism and other religions with a Big Bad Evil Guy is that Ahriman actually has a 50-50 shot of WINNING in the end. He's his own completely distinct entity that is the equal of Ahura Mazda in power and ability and who's creation is only nominally linked to that of Ahurza Mazda.

It's not, for example, a God-verses-Lucifer situation, wherein Lucifer will not and cannot win because God his his creator and infinitely more powerful.

Ahriman is also known as Angra Mainyu, a name I personally prefer.

>>49282355
Well Lucifer/Satan isn't technically evil, he's just the guy who wants to make sure you're following God and shit.

>>49282470
Further confirming my theory he's tsundere.

>>49282470
Depends on the flavor of Christianity you ascribe to.

>>49282507
No he isn't tsun tsun, it's more like a job.
>>49282509
Well he is a pretty evil guy, don't get me wrong, trying to fuck over Christ and shit but he was there to prove to God that Christ wasn't a total retard in the 40 days and all that.
And that's why we have lent.

>>49280297

Britain is still shit because of the Viking invasions, and they were further back.

>>49282878
Nah, 500 years of Frenchification made Britain a decent and civilized nation. Germany on the other hand...

>>49282355
Depends on the kind of Zoroastrianism.

In Zurvanism, the primordial creator God Zurvan created Ahura Mazda and Ahriman. Zurvan is the God of infinite time, and is neutral, genderless and passionless.

This contrasts with Mazdaism, in which both Ahura Mazda and Ahriman are primordial, or as in recent developments, Ahura Mazda is also responsible for the creation of Ahriman.

>>49282968
Should also note that Zurvanism is an extinct form of Zoroastrianism

File: 1468419602378.jpg (51KB, 514x536px) Image search: [Google]

51KB, 514x536px

>fantasy race+ real world culture

>>49277934
>Christian Humans
>Every other race has been hunted into exile into another world-sphere divided with powerful magic to keep humans away or exterminated
Abel didn't do anything wrong.

>>49283580
You would not like the way I make alien races.

- Aesthetics from one culture
- Language from a second culture
- Attitude and politics from a third

>>49283665
As long as you actually acount for how being non-human affects all this, I'm fine.
Especially if the cultures end up so blended that you can't actually pick out what they are.

>>49283002
>>49282968

What about Manichaeism? I always saw that pop up in Crusader Kings 2 but I don't know what the hell it is.

And was Zunbil a primordial form of Zoroastrianism?

>>49279569
Third crusade ended in a peace treaty and with Richard the Lionheart and Saladin sending each other gifts for a long time to come.

>>49277934
>Islamic Elves

Elves are supposed to be civilized.

>>49279111
>that brief beautiful moment in time that Islam was more progressive than Christianity and Europe actually had to get its shit together

A fantasy setting then?

>>49284267

Islamic society maintained a 25% and up literacy rate while Europeans were still flinging dung at one another and refusing to bathe.

>>49278089
>judaism isn't satanism
Kek

>>49284288
Islamic society is based around some faggot warlord that got himself immortalized.

>>49284288
>Islamic society maintained a 25% and up literacy rate while Europeans were still flinging dung at one another and refusing to bathe.

How were they in the 17th century?

>>49284468
Which is like saying Christianity is based around some Jewish vagabond who wanted to run the greatest scheme of all time.

>>49284505
At least the "vagabond" didn't kill people like a fag.

>>49284535
>kill people like a fag

I don't think homosexuality has anything to do with the act of killing.

>>49277934
>Dwarves
>Not Israeli.

>>49284576
I think it does. Because mohmmad fucked little boys.

>>49279571
The golden age of Islam wasn't even half a millennia unless your whole concept of Christianity is rooted in the history of the most backwards frontiers of Christendom.

>>49284576
>Conquered the entire middle east so hard they worshiped him for it.
>Like a fag
What, was Alexander the great a fag too?

>>49284642
Honestly, who didn't back then? The greeks did, the romans did, the catholics do.

>>49284669
>Catholics do
Only the corrupt priests you protestshit.

>>49284686
>Only the clergy that we listen to every time we go to church.
Catholics.

>>49280459
>Which is what happened with the Middle East; things went to shit the moment the money stopped coming in, and when it stopped coming in they were all-too-eager to get in ships and literally rape, pillage and depopulate entire European settlements to sell as white slaves in the markets of Marrakesh and Istanbul.

That's not how it worked, and this explanation is a contradiction as well. If there was economic downturn, how would there be a huge market for slaves?

The argument about the Mongols missed its mark. The Middle East went through several moments of economic downturn followed by sudden revivals all the time, usually having to do with large scale invasions or climate change. The Mongols devastated the population of Iran and Mesopotamia, but European circumnavigation of Africa didn't divert trade - it competed with it.

The big problem for the region was political instability brought about by tribal conquests and their eventual collapse which led to depopulation and deurbanization across the land, and not just where the Mongols came through either. The Berbers, Arabs, and Fulani tribes in North Africa and the Turks in Anatolia and Mesopotamia is what turned the region from densely populated and urbanized countryside into pastoral nations with dwindling manpower issues that only slavery could support.

>>49284579
Gnomes, anon. Gnomes.

>>49284712
So the slim minority that shouldn't be there? What's next, teachers are evil too?

>>49284642
With all the hyperbole that's been said about him, why start making things up?

File: damn son.png (52KB, 175x255px) Image search: [Google]

52KB, 175x255px

>>49279111
>He thinks the "Golden Age of Islam" was an actual thing

You're as bad as the "The European Dark Ages were Conan the Barbarian" people

>>49284736
I mean he married a little girl so he probably fucked kids too.
Also he's a goat fucker too.

>>49284750
He's not, because the Dark Ages has been repudiated in actual historical research, but the golden age has only ever been attacked in amateur blogs and articles.

>>49284732
>The slim minority that shouldn't be there.
>Clergy up and down the chain.
The difference is teachers aren't supposed to fuck the kids because of moral and legal reasons and are easily replaced
The clergy aren't supposed to fuck the kids because of legal, moral, AND religious reasons, that last one being why you're going to see them in the first place, and not as easy to replace.
But catholics, of so funny. Don't you have doctrine just as restrictive and binding and controlling as the muslims? Why crusade against them when you're cut of the same cloth?

>>49284804
>overblowing a bullshit thing that happens because evil people are allowed to join the Church and corrupt it
Gee whiz, jackass.
>Why crusade against them when you're cut of the same cloth?
Because Latin is better than scribbles.

>>49284767
>the golden age has only ever been attacked in amateur blogs and articles.

Then you've clearly never looked for articles criticizing the entire concept of an Islamic Golden Age.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2757/golden-age-of-islam

Literally every claim of an Islamic Golden Age is false. The developments listed as resulting from Islamic virtue were the result of much more intelligent peoples fleeing typically aggressive, xenophobic Muslims invading their lands.

How about you read a book instead of Islamic blogs?

>>49284839
>I found one source that agrees with me.
That said, I will admit that calling it an "Islamic golden age"
It was more of an "Arab golden age" seeing as how they got to spread their religion far and wide and invented a metric ton of things that were definitely useful and helpful, as well as their region in general flourishing. But to say it didn't happen is laughable. As your article pointed out.

>>49284995
>That said, I will admit that calling it an "Islamic golden age" is a misnomer.

>>49284839
>Then you've clearly never looked for articles criticizing the entire concept of an Islamic Golden Age.

No, I only ever looked for articles by historians written for historians published in academic publications peer-reviewed by historians. If you're getting your history from a political author with no academic credentials on a op-ed journalistic website, then all you're doing is accepting one amateur opinion (no golden age) and discarding another (dark age) based on personal feelings and politics.

>>49284995
>invented a metric ton of things
It never happened. The inventions most often attributed to Islamic scholars were the result of Hindu or Byzantine influences, themselves absorbed into the growing Muslim Abbassid empire by, you guessed it, conquest and subjugation.

>I only ever looked for articles by historians written for historians published in academic publications peer-reviewed by historians.

You can't name one. And the Dark Age was a myth as well. If your "peer reviewed" articles doubt this, their opinion of the Golden Age can be discarded.

>>49285260
>If it doesn't agree with my feelings, it can't be right.

Find me an expert on the Medieval Middle East that says any of that and come back to me never.

>>49285309
Still waiting on those peer reviewed articles.

>>49284442
kek

>>49285353
I'm not the one with a revisionist argument to prove.

>>49278166
I always pictured gnomes as atheists.
Explaining all deity based magics in magical research terms and attending a college of enlightened magics.
Wizard hats are shorter due to underground living.
Look remarkably fedora like.

>>49284750
>what is Saladin's reign?

What's with all the historical revisionists in here? I thought this was /tg/, not /pol/.

>>49286286
someone brought up the Islamic golden age which is retard because faiths don't really have them

>>49279111
>in time that Islam was more progressive than Christianity

That was the Middle-East before Islam.

File: LaughingFantasyWhores.png (598KB, 673x680px) Image search: [Google]

598KB, 673x680px

>>49285110
>I only ever looked for articles by historians written for historians published in academic publications peer-reviewed by historians
>browses medieval PoC tumblr

File: ech.png (572KB, 410x574px) Image search: [Google]

572KB, 410x574px

>>49277934
>Islamic Elves

>>49287927
>>browses medieval PoC tumblr
Said no one.

>>49277934
>vinaigrette humans
>balsamic elves
>ranch dwarves
>french orcs
>caesar goblins
>mayonnaise gnomes

>>49277934
>not Islamic orcs which explains why they hate eating porc.

Are you even trying.

>Turkish-Brazillian mudslime orcs
>French-English-Spaniard humans
>Jewish-East Asian Dwarves
>Slavshit-Native American-Mezoamerican elves

At least mix and match some fitting cultures man.

>>49288144
No, Patrick, mayonnaise is not a salad dressing.

>Blue cheese Kobolds
>Greek halflings

I want less shitposting between Christfags and Mohammedfags and more talking about Zoroastrianism.

>>49279569
Kinda their own fault for mixing up crusaders in a revolt for the throne of Byzantium also Venice was the one that organised that shit.
They pretty much used the crusaders to conquer territory for them.
Look at the example of Zadar , the first city they used crusaders on.
The native population hung out church banners and painted the walls with crosses.
The crusaders still burned it all down in service of the eternal Italian.
Then they were excommunicated by the pope for a whole two years before Venice placed enough bribes.
The Croatian king should have burned that fucking floating city down back in the 11th century when he had the chance to.

>>49279839
Still better than Muslims whose whole religion dictates to be spread through any and all means.
If you look at Muslim conquests and the genocides they commited the the crusades look like child's play.

>>49281423


>probably


>nice

>>49288144
>frenc orcs
"Hon hon ze red ones, zey go faster! More D'aqua for l'empereur!"

>>49277934
Chinese folk religion goblins? I can see the similarities, one is a race of stunted subhuman creatures who rifle through the garbage of superior races to live and will happily eat every animal into extinction and poison the rest with their filth, and the other are goblins.

>>49279111
>setting takes place in that brief beautiful moment in time that Islam was more progressive than Christianity and Europe actually had to get its shit together.

What when slavery was the machine of the islamic world? Yeah so progressive.

>>49279569
>Reminder that you guys lost all but the first crusade.
Reminder that you've never actually read anything about the crusades.

>>49279687
You're right about the humans and dwarves, but the elves in Dragon Age are more similar to Jews in that they've constantly been kicked from place to place but they have a pantheon of gods.

>>49277934
Or
OR
You show some fucking creativity and make up something of your own, instead of just trying to match shit that doesn't go well together.

Besides, Humans should be pagans worshipping their ancestors and shit. But that would spoil your "Human da best!!1!" fantasy, wouldn't it?

Dwarves would fit a lot better as the muslims. At least that would explain the "they have no women" meme.

>>49277934
>Islamic Elves
>Christian Humans

You just want an excuse to crusade against Elves and completely disregard the fact that most crusades against Islam failed.

File: lionheart.jpg (47KB, 250x338px) Image search: [Google]

47KB, 250x338px

>>49279569
so you managed to make yourself look like a moron, what's the next step of your master plan?

File: fucking stupid.png (252KB, 500x453px) Image search: [Google]

252KB, 500x453px

>>49290360
>and completely disregard the fact that most crusades against Islam failed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista
>first
>second
>third
>sixth
>reconquista
>lepanto
>malta

>>49290440
I'll give you the Reconquista, but I think that anon is specifically referring to Christian campaigns in the Levant.

Ultimately, I think they're pretty similar to the Vietnam War, in that accomplished a lot of their strategic goals but ultimately failed in their primary objective. At least in the long term.

>>49290455
lepanto and malta achieved the lont term goal as well, stopping the ottomans from going further into Europe

>>49290440
>The Reconquista[a] (Spanish for the "reconquest") is the period of history of the Iberian Peninsula spanning approximately 770 years
>770 years of pushing back and forth
>second crusade failed
>third crusade gave mixed results
>The Sixth Crusade started in 1228 as an attempt to regain Jerusalem. It began seven years after the failure of the Fifth Crusade and involved very little actual fighting so no dramatic "DEUS VULT" for (you)

File: AH AH deus vult!.png (436KB, 600x666px) Image search: [Google]

436KB, 600x666px

>>49290557
no need to cry over spilled muslim blood ahmed, what i posted were western victories, deal with it

>>49290594
Western Victories and successful crusades are very different. Especially because most of the actual victories involved the typical Deus Vult Greathelm and Tabbard crusaders.

File: deus vult!.jpg (89KB, 720x526px) Image search: [Google]

89KB, 720x526px

>>49290618
western victories and successful crusades are the very same thing

>>49290639
No, no they're not. For example, Tours was most certainly not part of any Crusade.

File: pepevult.jpg (35KB, 403x499px) Image search: [Google]

35KB, 403x499px

>>49290664
>crusades are western
>a crusade is successful
>western victory
try harder ahmed

>>49290680
Western Victory =/= Successful Crusade.

Because Western Conflict with Islam =/= Crusade.

>>49290689
you're totally missing the point ahmed

>>49290360
Well, it's fantasy after all, so I guess even Christians can win from time to time.

>>49290594
You forget about all the christian blood that was spilled, amount of which was arguably greater than muslim blood.

>>49277934
I want to inseminate Farah

>>49281125
HOL UP

>>49281417
This negroid gets it

>>49277973
Arcanum was surprisingly on the spot with its depiction of Jewish gnomes. Many steampunk settings forget that the genre is supposed to be, on some level, a satire of the Victorian worldview. Making the gnomes so over the top evil is a part of that that's easy to misinterpret as offensive, but is really more critical.

Wolsung does something similar, except even more obvious. It's also quite good at showing the gnomes/Jews to be a victimized, marginalized people with noble qualities which are often overlooked, but at the same time, also their share of flaws. In other words, it neither idolizes nor villainizes them.

>>49277958
>not tengri

>>49291013
The notes on races are also pretty much a very victorian human view of them, which is rather hilarious. I'm essentially a sjw, at least here, but a setting that instead of power fantasy escapism rubs your nose in how unworthy of nostalgia things are also works really well.

>it's a religious shit flinging on /tg/

Oh for fucks sake.

>>49290557
The reconquista is great because it's almost entirely the spanish royal family, having united the peninsula, throwing a massive retcon.

They spent the entirety of the last war with Grenada terrified that Morocco and Portugal would both use it as an excuse to invade, the greatest hero of the reconquista was, to his death, the vassal of a taifa emir, and most of the wars that led to the conquests of smaller states barely had religion registering, not counting the massive mess of succession wars and plots that was the house of Trastamara.

But in the same way the ultra-catholic basques became Saracens in the song of Roland, suddenly in the 15th century the whole process of power consolidation by Castille became a god annointed religious struggle, please forget the part where half our conquests were christian kingdoms ruled by first and second cousins, one of whom we literally rebelled against.

File: 800px-Close-up_of_mole.jpg (84KB, 800x600px) Image search: [Google]

84KB, 800x600px

Scientologist dwarfs.

>>49290440
>sixth
The 6th was diregarded as a fake crusade because it ended with a treaty, only gave the king of Sicily Jerusalem for a year, was led by an excommunicated man, and he literally left the entire administration put in place by Egypt the whole time. He was a debatably christian king of a mostly muslim (with some jew and oriental christian) kingdom for a year.

This is only a success for Stupor Mundi.

>>49290440
>>49291163

Reconquista wasn't even something that united christian lords, they frequently thought between each other instead of muslims.

>>49278543
Da fuck?

>>49278019
>>49278201
What?
What dose beaststeality and a kids show have to do with Jew griffins?

>>49277934
Mormon Dragons

>>49291382
Hello!
My name is Elder Darkfang.
And I would like to share with you
The most amazing book.

Hello!
My name is Elder Zzrax.
It's a book about America
A long, long time ago.

>>49290664
Tours was propably just a minor moorish raiding party fighting against a likewise small frankish host.
No big battle by any means.

>>49291382
>dragons killing each other because of different magical underwear

Would play.

>>49292187
Tours is a weird reversal of the spanish conquest the troops that landed in Spain were basically a rebellious warlord. Similar invasions had been done with more (Sicily) or less (Sardinia, Cyprus and Crete) success.

Meanwhile the frankish host that met the arabs at Tours was very likely merely there to subjugate Aquitaine (and that it's remembered as the battle of Tours rather than the less self-serving Poitiers is in itself funny as Tours was a border city in Neustria).

The counter-raids into Spain a few years later then became a huge fuckup for the franks who managed to make themselves the enemy of everyone who mattered in Spain, christian or muslim.

>>49277934
>Hindu Humans
>Buddhist Elves
>Islamic Dwarves
>Chinese Folk Religion Orcs
>Christian Goblins

File: full.png (108KB, 504x566px) Image search: [Google]

108KB, 504x566px

>>49291282
Yeah, They had an episode that depicted them a hooked nosed, greedy fucks that wouls stab a best friend in the back for one single shekel.
It's a jewpost not a ponypost, don't rule4 me

>>49277934
>Islamic Elves

Flying a dragon into a castle?

>>49292377
That's an MLP image outside of MLP.
Much as I think GR15 is retarded, it still exists.

>>49292202
>>49291589
I don't know I needed this

File: ravenloft.jpg (307KB, 1402x1600px) Image search: [Google]

307KB, 1402x1600px

>>49292406
4, 15, whatever.
Not worried about it. Mods aren't completely autistic.

Anyways, what would vampires be? Pagans?

>>49292593
Mods react based on enough people reporting.
You honestly think there aren't people still ass ravaged by mlp?

>>49292607
>>49292593
It's an episode from the 5th season, are people still this devastated about technicolor horses? Even if we blame the autism on the underage, 18 year olds would have graduated college and started their lives, 10-12 year olds should be spending most of their time in school, who is left?

>>49278022
>giving a shit what /v/ thinks
>not treating every post equally, whether brilliant or bait
Do you even /tg/?

File: Racist Laughter.jpg (30KB, 500x268px) Image search: [Google]

30KB, 500x268px

>>49277962
>Islamic Beastfolk
I see what you did there.

>>49277934
is this Ebberon?

>>49277934

[real world ideology/ethnic group] [fantasy race]

I AM A FUCKING GENIUS!!!!

>>49284218
I don't know much about Manichaeism, but no one really knows much about Zun. The best guess is that it was the religion of the Hephthalite Empire or 'White Huns' who invaded the region a few centuries before and ended up being influenced by Zoroastrianism, Hinduism and Buddhism.

>>49292593
Ahriman worshippers

>>49280104
Remeber falun gong? Not gonna happen

>>49278113
Nearly all major religion except for Islam doctrinal quibbling does not involved large amount of explosives against civilians nor faction blood war though.

>>49281321
Never heard of the Ikko- ikki, have you?

>>49284535
>Telling people not to fight back is less gay than carving out a massive empire through military might.
I don't actually give a shit about religion but if I was some pagan who had just heard of both Islam and Christianity I would probably go for the religion that was spread through conquest of a bunch of Arab tribesmen crippling one massive empire and destroying another one completely.

>>49290166
Europe had slavery too, we just called it serfdom. Of course, we didn't castrate the slaves.

>>49296007
The word you are looking for is Thrall.

Slaves would kill to be a serf.

File: petra-tomb[1].jpg (2MB, 2650x1861px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2650x1861px

Dwarves are obviously Middle Eastern traders with Greek influences.

File: Knight Slime.png (262KB, 606x651px) Image search: [Google]

262KB, 606x651px

>Catholic Slime people

>>49295680
What about the one that spread further, with or without conquest?

>>49277962
>satanist dwarves

We Ralph Bakshi now.

File: harem elf.png (2MB, 1000x1437px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1000x1437px

>So much /pol/ itt
>So many people lacking even a basic knowledge of even AP World History's chapter on "The Spread of Islam" and how it spread far more through trade than by the sword, unlike Christianity which hijacked the remnants of Roman power structure

I guess that's a bit repetitive though.

>>49300790
> AP World History
> Reality
Pick one and only one.

>>49300832

>He didn't go on to study Middle East history in depth
>le "College level classes aren't real bro, but my dank historical revisionism memes are"