/hwg/ - Historical Wargames General

File: 1441898164760.jpg (162KB, 570x581px) Image search: [Google]

162KB, 570x581px

>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!XsVD0KgT!twB1NWiFE3aKXK_O1EZ4pA
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf
>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Next War (GMT)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/eupungrg93xgb/Next_War
>Battlegroup
https://mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
>Fleet Series
https://mega.nz/#F!i1N3xZxL!C6fQ3Z8o2U0gtk5kdXuVcQ

Desired scans :
Black Powder supplements
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest

File: 1441898228549.jpg (255KB, 766x1181px) Image search: [Google]

255KB, 766x1181px

10th of September in military history:

1547 – The Battle of Pinkie Cleugh, the last full-scale military confrontation between England and Scotland, resulting in a decisive victory for the forces of Edward VI.
1776 – American Revolutionary War: Nathan Hale volunteers to spy for the Continental Army.
1798 – At the Battle of St. George's Caye, British Honduras defeats Spain.
1813 – The United States defeats the British Fleet at the Battle of Lake Erie during the War of 1812.
1897 – Lattimer massacre: A sheriff's posse kills 20 unarmed immigrant miners in Pennsylvania, United States.
1898 – Empress Elisabeth of Austria is assassinated by Luigi Lucheni.
1918 – Russian Civil War: The Red Army captures Kazan.
1919 – Austria and the Allies sign the Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye recognizing the independence of Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia.
1939 – World War II: The submarine HMS Oxley is mistakenly sunk by the submarine HMS Triton near Norway and becomes the Royal Navy's first loss.
1939 – World War II: Canada declares war on Nazi Germany, joining the Allies – Poland, France, the United Kingdom, New Zealand and Australia.
1942 – World War II: The British Army carries out an amphibious landing on Madagascar to re-launch Allied offensive operations in the Madagascar Campaign.
1943 – World War II: German forces begin their occupation of Rome.
2000 – Operation Barras successfully frees six British soldiers held captive for over two weeks and contributes to the end of the Sierra Leone Civil War.
2002 – Switzerland, traditionally a neutral country, joins the United Nations.

File: 1441898627623.gif (126KB, 900x460px) Image search: [Google]

126KB, 900x460px

It is 16 years since Operation Barras, a British Army raid that took place in Sierra Leone. The operation aimed to release five British soldiers of the Royal Irish Regiment who had been held by a militia group known as the "West Side Boys". The soldiers were part of a patrol that was returning from a visit to Jordanian peacekeepers attached to the UN Mission in Sierra Leone when they turned off the main road and down a track. There the patrol was overwhelmed by a large number of heavily armed rebels and taken prisoner.

The British Army negotiated the release of six of the eleven men on the patrol, but were not able to gain the freedom of their Sierra Leone Army liaison and the other men before the West Side Boys' demands became increasingly unrealistic. Negotiators concluded that these were delaying tactics; by 9 September, the soldiers had been held for over a fortnight. Fearing that the soldiers would be killed or moved to a location from which it would be more difficult to extract them, the British government authorised an assault on the West Side Boys' base, to take place at dawn the following day.

The ground operation was conducted by D Squadron, 22 Regiment Special Air Service—who assaulted Gberi Bana in a bid to extract the Royal Irish—and elements of 1st Battalion, Parachute Regiment (1 PARA), who launched a diversionary assault on Magbeni. The operation freed the five soldiers as well as twenty-one Sierra Leonean civilians who had been held prisoner by the West Side Boys. At least twenty-five West Side Boys were killed in the assault, as was one British soldier, while eighteen West Side Boys—including the gang's leader, Foday Kallay—were taken prisoner and later transferred to the custody of the Sierra Leone Police. Many West Side Boys fled the area during the assault, and over 300 surrendered to UNAMSIL forces within a fortnight.

File: 1441898739361.jpg (3MB, 4288x3216px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4288x3216px

>>49249037
Several decorations were awarded to the personnel who took part in Operation Barras, including two Conspicuous Gallantry Crosses, five Military Crosses (one of which was awarded to the officer who took command of the operation in Magbeni after the OC was injured), and five Distinguished Flying Crosses. Holmes (Director Special Forces) was awarded the Distinguished Service Order for his part in the operation. Tinnion (the KIA trooper) received a posthumous Mention in Despatches. (The British Ministry of Defence, following traditional policy, did not officially acknowledge the involvement of special forces, issuing a press release which made no mention of the SAS; but when it was made public that Tinnion was a Lance Bombardier originally from 29 Commando Regiment Royal Artillery, it became clear to experts that Tinnion had been serving with special forces. Operation Barras was Tinnion's first operational deployment as an SAS trooper.)

Barras is the kind of "Hollywood", high-action special forces raid that plays out perfectly on the tabletop. There were a lot of variables in play here, and bad luck/poor choices could have turned things into a fiasco. One possibly for play would be having the SAS player working against a referee, rather than two players fighting each other. The actions of the West Side Boys could be determined by 'chance cards' or the like, with the SAS player having to draw up a tactical plan then trying to keep it together when the shooting starts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barras
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ydf4hkqyz908dm9/Osprey+-+RAID+010+-+Operation+Barras+2000.pdf

File: FeeltheBern.jpg (25KB, 236x323px) Image search: [Google]

25KB, 236x323px

Missed the KoW:Historicals discussion in the last thread, but I'm going to throw in on the "excited" side of it.

I don't really think its a game aimed at current historical players but more guys who play Sci-Fi and fantasy stuff who are interested in historicals. Or groups like mine which is "historical" in that we mainly play FoW but dabble in other rule-sets.

It's also great because now I don't have to convince my friends to buy into a particular period when they might not be interested in it but a completely different one. I can put together the Roman army I've always been wanting and it will see the table more than once in a blue moon. Sure they might face off against Vikings or Samurai (or even some Dark Elves) and never see an opposing army they actually fought. But I don't care, none of them care.

File: rf2.jpg (509KB, 645x952px) Image search: [Google]

509KB, 645x952px

For any fans of Rapid Fire (or indeed, anyone interested in fast-play casual WW2 gaming), here's the 2E rules from 2005 - up until now we just had 1994's 1E.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/axakwzwtx0c2826/Rapid+Fire+2E.pdf
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/20610/rapid-fire-second-edition

Anyone got any suggestions for miniature makers for ww2 15mm bits & bobs like barrels and other things? Planning on sprucing up my patrol markers and jump off points for CoC, and just want to browse pictures on a web shop and plan it out.

File: Infantry.png (830KB, 1546x1159px) Image search: [Google]

830KB, 1546x1159px

Finished up 10 bases of Russians in winter uniform (not snow suits, just heavier jackets and ushanka's)

Vast improvement over carboard bases and unpainted minis!

They're 1:72 italieri minis, and the snow was done by mixing flock with PVA to make a thick paste and then applying with a thin flat tool.

>>49250158
those are painted?

>>49249801
Seeing as Flames Of War is 15mm, surely Battlefront have some goodies available?

>>49249470
>Missed the KoW:Historicals discussion in the last thread, but I'm going to throw in on the "excited" side of it.
Yeah, I'm going "what 30 lists that's fuck-all to cover thousands of years" but there's nothing wrong with a fun game to push toy soldiers around and roll dice with.

http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/guides/hellenistic.html

>Hellenistic kings often acted with a degree of chivalrousness towards their opponents; when Demetrios Poliorketes was defeated in his first battle, Ptolemy his enemy returned his prisoners because he was only a beginner.

Why don't you have an army for the period, friends?

>>49253061
Hellenistic kings were not really "chivalrous" as we understand it. Release of prisoners like that is an easy way to tell someone you aren't in any way scared of them and can afford to return 8000 men of fighting ability like it's nothing.

Saying it's because of inexperience doesn't make it any more genuine chivalry in the same way each of the successor states claimed to be the "saviour" (Soter) of the Greek people who would liberate those under the rule of the other tyrants. So many Hellenistic kings took the epithet Soter but went on to be just as tyrannical as all the rest, it's all just PR.

File: DSCF4063.jpg (3MB, 3264x2448px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 3264x2448px

>>49250183
You're still not me, m8. Calm your tits.

>>49249801
I think PSC has a 15mm stowage set for Germans with such items in it.

>>49251871
Good catch, FoW miniatures usually come in boxes of way too much for me, so I didn't even think of looking at them.

Already I see some camels, which are great animals so I want them.

>>49250158
Could do with a wash to bring out the details and make them less flat-looking.

File: Viking Ship 0.jpg (572KB, 1600x900px) Image search: [Google]

572KB, 1600x900px

Continuing the command unit theme. I posted the Lagertha mini the other day I did up for my wife's SAGA Vikings. A viking needs a ride, and the box for this had been sitting on my shelf for a little over a year, so I felt today would be a good day to build this before my Bolt Action Desert Rats arrived. So here's an appropriate vehicle for her army commander.

Total time to build, 8 hours (started Thursday evening). The hardest part was decaling 45 shields (the teal Lagertha heraldry was painted on the others, mostly because I was sick of decals).

>1/3

File: Viking Ship 2.jpg (494KB, 1600x900px) Image search: [Google]

494KB, 1600x900px

>>49254237

How to make a waterline mini out of a non-waterline mini? Assemble hull, apply belt sander.

The oars are stacked because if they're out, it becomes too large to use as a gaming piece. If they're vertical, you can't get minis off and on the ship. So they have to be stacked. Note that this *is* a gaming piece, and not a display model.

>2/3

File: Vikings - Heads.webm (1MB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1280x720px

>>49254237

Holy crap mate, that's awesome. Just needs some heads swinging from the mast!

File: Viking Ship 3.jpg (600KB, 1600x900px) Image search: [Google]

600KB, 1600x900px

>>49254247

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

>3/3

>>49254271
Sexy.

>>49254271
not gonna lie, id blow you to play with you

>>49254237
What model is it? Looks awesome.

File: revell-viking-ship.jpg (92KB, 724x458px) Image search: [Google]

92KB, 724x458px

>>49254443

It's a Revell 1:50 scale "Viking Ship". Model number is 05403. It's not a very good kit (the rigging stays on the inside of the hull, for example, tend to rip off once you attach the lines and put them under the requisite tension), but again, this is a gaming piece and not a display model, so it's good *enough*.

Oh, and it comes with a giant Viking decal to put on the sail for some godawful reason. And at least on mine, it came with no prow on the sprue, so I ended up throwing that spiral up there out of Milliput and painting it as an iron prow.

Bright side, it's only like $24 on Amazon.

>>49254400
Don't feel bad. Among other things, my wife does exactly that.

>>49254237
>Total time to build, 8 hours (started Thursday evening)

Shit, that's amazing.

It's hard for me to tell for sure because of the lighting, but the quilted effect on the sail is absolutely gorgeous. That looks like an actual cloth sail you somehow managed to get on there. Really well done, mate. Keep this up and we'll dub you an honourary Brit, since Americans can't into historicals.

I see a stay (aft port quarter) which is missing a line in your second picture. Did you fully rig the ship, or did you leave some lines off? I don't blame you if you did; too many lines would make it hard to use as a playing piece.

>>49254237
Is this the 1:50 revell kit?

>>49254777
>>49254503

>>49254781
Yeah, i noticed as i scrolled further down. But thanks.

>>49254503

>it's only like $24 on Amazon.

Its often way cheaper than that on Ebay.
I have one in my stash too. Got it for 7€ 2 years ago. Its still waiting for the time i finally start to build a viking warband.

By the way, the kit is from 1977, that explains the quality and fit.

Isn't the hull now open where you sanded it down? Did you apply some sort of "base" to give it more stability?

>>49254237
>>49254247
>>49254271
Is this the Revell ship? Looking really nice.

>>49255139
Derp, read the rest of the comments later, sorry senpai.

>>49254503
>my wife does exactly that.

You son of a gun

>>49255178
>can my dudes can reroll their armor saves if I blow you?

>>49255214
Now that's a houserule.

Bolt action IS-3 guy from yesterday here, decided to take it last night. Good job I did, my opponent had a Pz IV and a Panther. Took both out in turn 4 and 5, after getting immobilised in turn 1. The Panther hit my IS-3 every turn, and that was the most it did. I'd call that a result!

In the end, I very nearly won the game; Top secret scenario, and I failed a morale check on my objective-carrying unit when they were 8" from my board edge. I foolishly left them out of the soft cover 12" from my board edge in my haste to get them away, and they just took far too many pins. He also managed to snipe my Lieutenant, so he did well to force a draw. It was a fun game overall, but I think the IS-3 is definitely better suited to larger games, rather than 1250. We're planning a 2v1 of two German forces vs my Soviets, so that should be fun.

>>49255391
I'll also add that while my Forward Artillery Observer's strike failed to hit anything, I did get 12" for the distance... And put more pin markers on most of his army than we had. That was fun.

File: nebelwerfer.jpg (51KB, 960x707px) Image search: [Google]

51KB, 960x707px

I got a broken and half assedly assembled Nebelwerfer undercoated in black last Sunday from a garage-sale kind of thing along with 6 tanks, and half track and 3 German cars, all for around 10 Euros. Most of them are in good enough shape to repair, they just need some TLC. I fixed the Nebelwerfer and painted it, plus added some Caesar crew too. Couldn't fit four on the base, plus I didn't have a fitting fourth artillery crewmen, but for the amount of money I paid for it, I'm generally happy with it.

Sorry for the crapp-ish pic, got a new-old camera I'm still not entirely familiar with.

>>49255427
Just make sure it has plenty of nebel with which to werf, anon.

>>49253029

i assume they play tested those lists and checked them against the fantasy armies as well. That is no mean feat.

Also those 33 lists cover the nations 90% of players will be interested in anyway.

>>49255843
As long as they have both sides of the TYW and RJW, They're ok by me.

Question is, do they actually capture any of the flavor of those forces and how they operate, or do they just generalize everything? Historical tabletop games thrive on period-specific flavor.

File: image.jpg (95KB, 640x960px) Image search: [Google]

95KB, 640x960px

BA Norwegianfag here. You guys were right. No theorycrafting for me, it's all lost in the fog of war of babies, milk and diapers.
I can't remember if I asked this (I may have) but what's a good color and make for the M1914 Norwegian army uniform from before it transitioned to the newer green? Pic related, it's more blue-grey.

File: B2BLC3B8jtnant2Bog2Bmening2Bi2Binfanteriet.jpg (80KB, 600x973px) Image search: [Google]

80KB, 600x973px

>>49256878

Congrats again on becoming a dad

>I can't remember if I asked this (I may have)

Yes you did, last thread. Two anons recommended Vallejo Green Grey, the same as for Finnish uniforms.

>>49256878
>>49256914
Didn't they recommend Grey Green (which is the one recommended for Finns, btw), Vallejo Model Color 866? (Green Grey i VMC886, so it's easy to confuse the two...)

>>49256878
What about this:

>Vallejo 70.816 Luftwaffe Uniform WK2

>>49256914
>>49256949
>>49256986
Oh wow, haha thanks. This time I'll actually write it down for later, when her sleep cycle isn't set to cry-eat-poop-sleep every 2 hrs.

>>49256949
you dont wnat Grey Green, you want Green Grey

File: DSCN1989.jpg (25KB, 320x240px) Image search: [Google]

25KB, 320x240px

>>49257107

>>49257107
Damnit, I misremembered. Well, I did say it was easy to confuse the two...
(And now I wonder why I have a bottle of grey green, if it wasn't for my finns...)

>>49257148
Haha I made same mistkae with my FoW Finns years ago.

It's used in British webbing most I think. it's alos quite a good colour for add ing to highlights of Olive drabs.

>>49256878
Here is a youtube video with a battle report of BA norwegians.
I found the link in todays Warlord Games newsletter and thought you might be interested in watching it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ujV0s5zkjg&utm_source=Warlord+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=cc2770f159-Warlord_Games_Release_News_Friday_9_Sep_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b7e928b4ed-cc2770f159-132892205&mc_cid=cc2770f159&mc_eid=5e8aa1f443

For Bolt Action players:
Where can I find the rules for the weapon type Launcher? My opponent claims it only ever hits on 6+ which I find wierd.

>>49257709
Like the howling cow?

Rules should be in the Ostfrond book

>>49257748
>Like the howling cow?
No, like the VB 'noob tube' for the French army. It isn't explained in the book and there is no weapon type called 'Launcher'

>>49257766
afaik it uses the same rule as the knee mortar of the japs. (i.e. light mortar)

>>49257846
Which uses the indirect fire rule. Unfortunate. It never hits.

>>49257935
but if it does...

>>49257975
Sorry to bother you with all these questions but I just want to make sure I'm not being scammed.
I've had one game of BA so far and planning on having another soon. The player I met said that artillery units, mortars and launchers always uses indirect fire. As in always hits on 6+, then 5+ if they're standing still and etc. etc. Is this so?
I can't find anything about this in the rules? Is this a normal house rule?

File: TDVMap.jpg (2MB, 3568x2124px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3568x2124px

Do you think it would be possible to run a large /hwg/ map campaign?

1 anon as game master and two teams, probably WW2 since that has the most players. Rules and scale agnostic, people play games locally and report back the results to the GM who updates the public /hwg/ map, tracks troop movements etc. Sort of like those Risk threads, but with the battles played out on the tabletop

Any way to make something like that viable?

>>49258023
It works exactly like that, check the Indirect rule under weapon special rules. Mortars can fire only indirect, artillery can fire directly if they have LoS, if they only have a spotter that sees the target, then it's indirect.

Page 53 in the hardback rules.

>>49258074
>It works exactly like that, check the Indirect rule under weapon special rules. Mortars can fire only indirect, artillery can fire directly if they have LoS, if they only have a spotter that sees the target, then it's indirect.
You're a peach. Thanks

>>49258117
No probs, glad I could help. Did you enjoy the game?

>>49257374
I'm not a BA player, nor do I have any real familiarity with the system. Do all goes wind up looking like extremely close range moshpits like that one did?

>>49258041
>Do you think it would be possible to run a large /hwg/ map campaign?

no

We are too far separated to be meaningful, you would at best I think end up with 2 groups of 2 or 3 players uploading results.

>>49258023
>>49258074
>>49258117

Don't forget that they can Zero in if the target isn't moving.

>>49258412
It depends on the map of course. They were doing some kind of city fight in narvik so obviously they had to get close.

>>49255427
>perfectly adequate werfer
Sounds like you got a good deal

>>49258321
Yes, I did. The game is great and I look forward to playing and painting more.

>>49258041
I'd like to think this was possible. If we just get a hex and counters map, a role call of nations and a promise not to cheat this would be totally viable.

>>49258041
>>49258533
Why not run games on Roll20 or Vassal, provided you could find the necessary stuff?

>>49261140
Part of me wants to seek out Rhodesian soldier minis, but the other part of me is afraid of triggering libtards.

>>49261165
Eureka miniatures has everything.

>triggering libtards.

You have to be lucky to find people knowing about Rhodesia at all these days.

>>49261165
>but the other part of me is afraid of triggering libtards
Huh? Admittedly my knowledge in the Rhodesian bush wars is limited to Warren Zevon and olive shorts, but haven't heard much about it outside of /hwg/ anyway, especially not from any left-leaning folks.

File: 1302457051423.jpg (66KB, 705x864px) Image search: [Google]

66KB, 705x864px

>>49261206
This honestly.

I have to admit, i learned about Rhodesia and the Bush War on /k/. During my time in School and University (in Germany) nobody ever mentioned it at all. I never read anything about Rhodesia outside of Imageboards or when i searched for stuff by myself.

>>49261206
Rhodesia is Zimbabwe now, which should fill in the puzzle enough for ya.

>>49261165
Eureka do 28mm. Theres also 20mm available and 15mm from other companies. I'd have to look up the names but I know they exist.

>>49261308
S and S does generic dudes armed with FN-FALs, AKs and so on and so forth with headgear of your choice.

File: chilemarch.jpg (370KB, 1391x912px) Image search: [Google]

370KB, 1391x912px

>>49261305
Yes, but the knowledge is limited to some people with interest in military, history, africa or a combination of these things.

Average people will just stop listening at
>Its a country in Africa

Literally nobody cares.

>>49261364
It's Under Fire Minis that do the 20mm stuff.

>>49261394
I guess they do too, so that makes it two. Possibly some of the Elhiem ranges could serve there too.

>>49261392
Right, but it's not the normies one ultimately has to worry about in this case; it's a historical gaming community filled with the kind of people who *do* know enough about that to raise stinks.

>>49261495
Who cares what they think about it to be honest. You paint and push around miniature men on a board pretending to be a general. Would it change anything if you called it Bodesian Rush Wars?

>>49261495
Why would they?

Its history and its a tabletop wargame. I really don't see why anyone could complain.

I mean, people are fielding SS units in FoW or BA in clubs/stores right next to children playing yugioh and these games aren't causing trouble either.

Yes i know, there are occasional discussions about nazis/ww2 in wargames.. at least here in germany

>>49261206
>Huh?

Rhodesia declared independence specifically so they could keep a white minority in control of the majority black population of the country. Some bleeding hearts who don't understand how much of a bloodthirsty asshole Robert Mugabe was and still is tend to tar Rhodesia with the same brush that apartheid-era South Africa gets.

>>49261606
So literally all chronically butthurt left-wingers?

>>49261606
That was more of a "when did liberals start to give a shit about Africa?" kind of "huh?".

>>49261557
Yeah that happens every once in a great while here too. Some people just trigger easily.

>grandfather considered a job offer to take the family to Rhodesia right before the unrest started
>mum could have grown up using guns to shoot blacks

Chilling.

>>49261709
My Great Unlce served in the Rhodesian Army pre and post UDI after completing his tours with the British in Malaya. He then moved to South Africa and worked for Escom.

When I was over there when I was little visiting I met verterans of the Border War and they made my Tea in their helmets.

(I was about 8 at this time and it was the coolest shit).

>>49261140
operator as fuck

>>49261757
Neat! But where do most Rhodesians live today?

>>49261854
South Africa, Australia, America, Britain etc

Anglo countries.

>>49261392
For me it's limited to my uncle's stories about paratrooping into the bush as a medic.

Haven't been out there since my nan died. The rest of the family lives in SA/Australia/America etc.

>>49261709
My paternal grandma moved out to Rhodesia but my dad stayed because he didn't want to leave my mum (this was when they were dating).

She definitely moved back at some point but I'm not sure if it was pre- or post-bushwar.

>>49255427
1:72 please go

File: IMG_20160909_215410.jpg (6MB, 4160x3120px) Image search: [Google]

6MB, 4160x3120px

Africa and Bush wars in MY /hwg/!

Updates to the Peoples Republic of West Mbrosia.

File: IMG_20160909_215420.jpg (5MB, 4160x3120px) Image search: [Google]

5MB, 4160x3120px

>>49262152

File: Greys Scout.jpg (344KB, 729x1019px) Image search: [Google]

344KB, 729x1019px

>>49261533
This.

No one throws a fit when you have literal Nazis on the table. Anyone getting butthurt over Bush Wars minis is just looking for things to be offended by.

>>49262152
Love the T-55/54s

>>49262362
I remember some kind of "scandal" in one of the bigger german wargaming forums like 10 years ago when a guy started a WIP thread for his Dirlewanger brigade army for FoW just to troll and make people mad. It was hillarious.

File: 1366787396807.jpg (83KB, 762x668px) Image search: [Google]

83KB, 762x668px

>>49262799
Oh damn.

>>49262152
National Anthem: 'Ooh Arr, it's Mbrosia!'

what is SAGA

>>49263069
Vikings doing fights

>>49263073
hot diggety

>>49263041
Yes, I'm glad someone got the joke.

>>49263069
a skirmish wargame in the dark ages. More on the "game" side than the "historical" side though.

>>49263364
Nothing wrong with games. Games are fun

>>49263384
>Games are fun

You sicken me

File: ekipa.jpg (34KB, 500x311px) Image search: [Google]

34KB, 500x311px

>>49263384
I didn't said that this is a bad thing. I just think its important to know so he knows what he has to expect.

>>49263073
>>49263093

I love this meme, it's so awful.

>>49263534
I'm the anon who originally made the image

I'm so sorry

>>49263069

Historically flavoured light skirmish game with a fun but kind of gimmicky dice mechanic.

Honestly it's probabley my favourite game at the moment and I've been playing it a lot.

>>49262799
>Dirlewanger

kek, did he create dioramas of germans raping little girls and bayonetting babies?

It's not for strictly historical purposes, but can anyone point me at any 15mm models that wear full braided/faced dress uniforms and a soft cap/Schirmmutze? The Warlord Nap. Hanoverian line is what I want, but smaller.

Most 15mm suppliers have awful or no pictures, and I can't tell if Lancashire's Prussian reservists fit the bill or not. I know that Landsturm seem to generally look plainer than I want.

Thanks all.

File: snipedyar.jpg (114KB, 1058x677px) Image search: [Google]

114KB, 1058x677px

I always knew that the japanese and their horses were smaller than european knights but I never realised the difference was this great.

>>49266644
kek that looks ridiculous

>>49266644
That might be slightly exaggerated, but their horses were indeed smaller stock, generally from the same bloodlines as the ponies the Mongols rode. Small, tough horses that ate a hell of a lot less fodder than European ones.

>>49266644
looks like you outright have a different scale there

>>49267717
We have a winner.

28mm 'heroic' from Front Rank on the left, 1:72 Zvezda on the right.

>>49267921
I wasn't sure myself, because the bases on the samurai models were larger than the ones on the knights.

>>49268373
uh...

File: 4cf21434324101.5605f96f65c8c.jpg (253KB, 600x840px) Image search: [Google]

253KB, 600x840px

>>49261206
There's a guy buried in my hometown cemetary who was a merc killed in Rhodesia.

>my knowledge in the Rhodesian bush wars is limited to Warren Zevon

Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner is about Biafra and the Congo, but not Rhodesia. It came out in '78, at the height of the fighting, and it's about mercenaries, but given Zevon's politics I don't think he would sung about the mercs there.

File: bushwar5.jpg (95KB, 720x540px) Image search: [Google]

95KB, 720x540px

Oh and forgot to mention: here's a blog dedicated solely to wargaming the Rhodesian Bush War.

https://johnwynnehopkins.wordpress.com/

File: SETTING THE SCENE PART 8 014.jpg (194KB, 1024x768px) Image search: [Google]

194KB, 1024x768px

Really nice update at the Silver Whistle blog, based around the famous photograph of Peiper at the crossroads in the Ardennes, 1944.

>>49268952
Also http://agrabbagofgames.blogspot.hu/search/label/Bush%20Wars%3ARhodesia

File: SETTING THE SCENE part 7 051.jpg (426KB, 1600x1200px) Image search: [Google]

426KB, 1600x1200px

>>49269633
Nice pics. Any ideas about the ground surface? Looks good with the areas of thin snow. Do you think it's a fixed terrain board? It doesn't really look like something that would roll up

File: HEDGEROWS & TREES 001.jpg (451KB, 1600x1200px) Image search: [Google]

451KB, 1600x1200px

>>49270000

He has two permanent boards, a Summer in Normandy one and an Ardennes Winter one. They're both flexible terrain mats, and he just piles up the terrain.

File: URFgll7.jpg (385KB, 2448x2448px) Image search: [Google]

385KB, 2448x2448px

Still shitty photos but proof I can do something other than 3mm

why is 28mm stuff usually like 32mm high.

File: 4pWWLkd.jpg (989KB, 2448x2448px) Image search: [Google]

989KB, 2448x2448px

>>49271856
And his rear

>>49271872
scale creep and "measurement to eyes"

>>49271856
>>49271887
c&c welcome. my first mini for this set got fucked up with varnishing, will still use him but dont intend to post photos. So this is my 2nd attempt at 28mm in years

>>49271856
>>49271935
>>49271887

You can post it all as one post by making a montage which might be better in future.

The painting is pretty clean and the paints seem well thinned. I'm not sure on some of the edge highlighting, seems a bit light?


He's very brown

File: AWI.jpg (326KB, 1001x577px) Image search: [Google]

326KB, 1001x577px

Playtested an AWI ruleset my clubmate last night.

Has some really interesting mechanics, units can become disordered just from moving, close order units (the 3 rank tight files expected from European linear battles e.g. Most american line infantry, early British) are more likely to become disordered than loose order (the 2 rank looser files late british, light battalions etc) and open order (American rifle skirmishers etc), militia are more likely than trained and veterans.
Close order units are better able to rally off disruptions, which is the reason they existed as a formation to begin with the better ability to form the troops quickly, than loose order troops so whilst loose order troops will take fewer disruptions marching around, close order troops can quickly rally off disruptions if given the chance.

It's a really interesting mechanic, the numbers need to be tweaked but it's a very different take to a lot of rules who make close order troops slower and more ponderous by just lowering their move rate etc.

>>49272476
>Playtested an AWI ruleset my clubmate last night.
Playtested an AWI ruleset my clubmate is writing last night.

File: 11774669_10153617700934610_465575242_n.jpg (5KB, 206x105px) Image search: [Google]

5KB, 206x105px

>>49271138
I fuckin' came mate.

I aspire to this in the future, literally inspiration to keep the hobby up.

>>49272390
Sorry for brown

File: MI23441_HR.jpg (51KB, 1304x436px) Image search: [Google]

51KB, 1304x436px

>>49266644
What are /hwg/'s recommended wargames either centered around Sengoku Japan or at least allowing Japanese or Japan-themed armies? Firearm units are a bonus.

File: salute_2009128.jpg (171KB, 1000x750px) Image search: [Google]

171KB, 1000x750px

>>49272889

Well I don't know about "recommended", but there is Osprey's Ronin, and standard systems like Field of Glory, Impetus and the classic DB(x) series all have army lists covering most of Japanese history.

>>49272476
That sounds pretty great. Can you put a pdf up? Doesn't matter if it's not ready

File: aw100.jpg (50KB, 700x323px) Image search: [Google]

50KB, 700x323px

I'm painting the rightmost figure as a FIW General. By the looks of things red breeches, waistcoat and coat were all common, which makes me worry about inundating the model with red. The lapels will be yellow for the 46th, but what shall I paint his sash? Blue? Purple?

File: RedSamurai.jpg (65KB, 600x800px) Image search: [Google]

65KB, 600x800px

>>49272952
Thanks.

>>49261557
>Yes i know, there are occasional discussions about nazis/ww2 in wargames.. at least here in germany
A guy down at my club refuses to play against Waffen SS armies.

>>49273153
why, like I dislike wehraboos but thats a bit much

>>49273187
I think he just really hates nazis. But then, and I'm aware I might incite a /pol/ war over this, he should also be boycotting german armies as well. And Japan, but who plays that?

>>49273218
>refuses to play "nazis"
>chooses to play ww2
hmmm

File: Not So Different.jpg (107KB, 500x388px) Image search: [Google]

107KB, 500x388px

>>49273131
Field of Glory isn't bad in particular, though I think it stops at like 1500 or so, which means no teppo.

>>49273252
Yeah smells like bullshit to me too

File: 12004674_727545950715480_160960893029094139_n.jpg (84KB, 470x838px) Image search: [Google]

84KB, 470x838px

>>49273284
Go to FB into a FoW or BA group.
Post something like "I dunno guys, how do you feel about playing against a nazi ss army? For me it just feels wrong"
Lean back and enjoy the show.

You'll be surprised how many people will state that they dislike nazi/ss stuff on the table but who also will get angry if you suggest them to look for a different time period to play.

>>49273284
I don't think its bullshit, those people definitely exist.

I just think it's an odd decision.

>>49273218
There were Nazi parties all over the place in WW2. even in America and Britain. Most German soldiers didn't care too much what party was running the government, they just did their job.

>>49273525
>le Good Wehrmacht meme

>>49273525
>clean wehrmacht myth

File: roman soldier.jpg (677KB, 1250x1000px) Image search: [Google]

677KB, 1250x1000px

>>49273476

In my experience WW2 always starts the most fights when it comes to wargaming. You don't find a lot of folks arguing over what Napoleon did in Egypt, for example. I suppose it's the relatively closeness of events, and their primacy in the popular imagination, that does it. Although having said that, I've seen the Ancients lads have some vicious bunfights over stuff before - forget the canard that Napoleonic gamers are the pedantic ones, these fellows have very heated debates over what is actually historically verified or not and the rude names start flying like pilium.

>>49261606
Mugabe was able to present himself quite well at first and did not appear to be an ethnic nationalist or racist, which was the real issue with Rhodesia.

>>49273525
DAS WERHMACHT WERE GUDDEN BOYS, THEY DIDDUN DU NUFFIN

Stop posting this fucking meme.

Also it seems exceptionally asinine not to play against Waffen SS armies, but at the same time to play a World War 2 miniatures game.

File: 9542d7a9a980f6176599a1dd07f03a58.jpg (38KB, 405x480px) Image search: [Google]

38KB, 405x480px

>>49273044
>but what shall I paint his sash? Blue? Purple?

Something between a wine red and a grape-ish purple. Write off any variations in colour to the harshness of the colonial elements.

Lets be honest it's very simple.

The Wehrmacht is not completely without sin.

It's daft to refuse to play armies tainted by nazism when you have chosen to play ww2.

>>49273567
>>49273565

Both things have nothing to do with each other actually. The wehrmacht was conscripting, so you got all kinds of people within its ranks. To some degree thats even true for the SS.

You could easily be a war criminal without being a hardcore nazi, and you could be a hardcore nazi without shooting civilians or doing other nasty stuff.

Take Oscar Dirlewanger for example. That guy was "just" a criminal (way before the war) who knew lots of nazis from his service in ww1 and who was lucky enough to have friends higher up in the hierarchy.

Being in the SS was incredibly prestigious at the time, so lots of young men volunteered. Some of them were nazis for sure, others just wanted to impress the neighbors chick with their fancy black parade uniform.
Take Michael Wittmann for example, he was 17 when he joined. Had no job, poor education and poor parents. Maybe his eternal hate for jews and communists made him join, but its far more likely that he saw a golden opportunity to improve his stance within the german society at that time period.

>>49273612
the Gukurahundi suggests otherwise. The general split between ZANU and ZAPU being along ethnic lines (as well as differing foreign support) should have been big clues.

>>49273639
>Maybe his eternal hate for jews and communists made him join, but its far more likely that he saw a golden opportunity to improve his stance within the german society at that time period.
I don't really think people have issues with if their toy soldiers are members of the NSDAP or not, but if they would be participating in genocide or not.

>>49273639
>Had no job, poor education and poor parents
>tfw this isn't enough to get your foot in the door for a military career any more because budgets/ethics

>>49273702
>are members of the NSDAP or not, but if they would be participating in genocide or not.

Again, that has nothing to do with each other.

Wehrmacht units did shoot civilians just as SS did. Soviets did it and to some degree the western allies aren't clean either.

In 1945 when the americans came to my hometown, a doctor and the major (nsdap member btw) wanted to hand over the town to avoid destruction of buildings and casualties. They were hanged as "helper of the enemy" by a Wehrmacht unit which still wanted to fight.

We're playing historical war games, and I think that so long as you're open and honest about the historical forces you're playing with then it's alright. No one is going to hate on a Mongol player, for example.

BUT if someone deliberately chooses to play the super evil McRapey force and tries to excuse them or seems to get a kick from it? I don't want to be around people like that.

Compare and contrast:
>I'm playing Japanese Army forces. Someone needs to play the bad guys in the Pacific Theatre, right?
>If it's OK I'll play with the SS list this week, that list has better equipment options.
>I collect Waffen-SS, because they were the most fanatical soldiers of the Third Riech. Do you like the little SS lapels I painted?

File: john-wayne-conqueror.jpg (63KB, 1000x500px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 1000x500px

>>49273896
>No one is going to hate on a Mongol player, for example.

Unless they're playing DBM and raping the shit out of all comers thanks to their rule exploits. Then they're wankers.

>>49273896
>BUT if someone deliberately chooses to play the super evil McRapey force and tries to excuse them or seems to get a kick from it? I don't want to be around people like that.
That's not just wargaming though. You don't want to be around people like that generally.

>>49273896
>because they were the most fanatical soldiers of the Third Riech. Do you like the little SS lapels I painted?

I would have no problem with that either if he plays to the rules of the game and has a nicely painted army and isn't shouting "sieg heil" the whole time.

I'd rather have that than a cheesy guy with a BA army centered around flamethrower vehicles and cavalry without any historical context and/or shitty painting.

>>49273952
Eh.... I dunno. There's a line between historical accuracy and what's acceptable for what is, at the end of the day, a game. I'm all for realism and accuracy but calling upon actual Nazi stuff where it bears no effect on the actual gameplay is probably too far.

>>49273964
>I'm all for realism and accuracy but calling upon actual Nazi stuff where it bears no effect on the actual gameplay is probably too far.
So you aren't ALL for realism and accuracy?
The truth is German troops in ww2 did sometimes have identifying nazi symbols on them, unless someone is actively trying to glorify nazism or make their genocide seem not bad what harm is it in painting them accurately?

>>49273964
>all for realism and accuracy
>doesn't want accurate uniforms

>>49273964
>but calling upon actual Nazi stuff where it bears no effect on the actual gameplay is probably too far.


If it adds to the atmosphere then it adds to the game in my opinion. If some guy is autistic (and skilled) enough to paint tiny ss runes on the collars of his army men to make them look good, nice for him and i wouldn't mind it because thats just how they looked.

If he has a nice historical themed army list, even better.

I don't care if that dude has a huge swastika flag over his bed or a portrait of hitler or some kind of nazi fetish or whatever.

If he starts to hand out "white power"-leaflets during game evenings... that would be a different thing entirely.

(Same goes for Soviets as well, just saying)

>>49273982
>unless someone is actively trying to glorify nazism
Put it better than I did. That's pretty much what I was trying to convey, I just sucked at it because I'm tired as shit. I LOVE seeing really well painted, accurate minis.

>>49274005
This pretty much.

I don't know if its just autism but people seem really bad bad at being people sometimes.

>play rugby, coach is pretty FAR RIGHT
>as in pretty fascist
>during a piss up politics comes up
>get called trotskyist
>not even communist
>bants ensue and everyone learns to get along

>>49261606

Prob is, skilled "libtards" will point out that Rhodesians managed the war rather well.... and all the other stuff terribly. They could not win on the battlefield, and on the international arena they blundered hard again and again.

But yeh, the game was rigged against them from the start and they would have required a fairly different international situation or some god-tier politicians to preserve their (racist) way of life.

In any case, Ancient History. Just wait twenty years and no one will remember the Soviet Union too.

>>49273730
Well, Heer had plenty of it in their hands. Punitive killing of 40 men, women and children, 'cause partisans they did not even know killed two Gestapo goons miles from there? Wehrmacht is your man. Kill a family, children not excluded, along with the Jews they harbored? Heer-we-go again. Garrnison duty had terror implemented in it, orders were orders for this men.

Yet, I think it's so stupid to extrapolate any of this on wargame! We have little men doing fights, not rounding civillians up in ,,punitive action"!

Also modeling bans from Germany seem strange. I mean those friggin' tanks/planes/uniforms with their grandparents inside had those stuff on them and banning transfer sheet wont help 'bout it.

>>49274033
Libtard scum!

Was the coach a Saffer by any chance?

>>49273565
>>49273567
>>49273612
Never implied they were good or clean, just that they were professional soldiers. All soldiers believe in their country and their leader/s. At the time Naziism was just a political movement, one that was all over the world. Few people knew about the holocaust until after the war. There's that footage of German soldiers watching videos of the concentration camps and crying.

No soldier is ever "clean", but they're not usually fanatic genocidal maniacs, unless they're Japanese.

>>49274005
>I don't care if that dude has a huge swastika flag over his bed or a portrait of hitler or some kind of nazi fetish or whatever.
>If he starts to hand out "white power"-leaflets during game evenings... that would be a different thing entirely.

The trouble is, once other people get a sniff that he is in any way so politically-inclined, they all go batshit crazy and start talking discussing humourous ways in which they could kill him, which in turn leads to him getting ostracised. There aren't enough "I don't care about the politics, I just want a good game" people around to counteract this effect.

Pro-tip: Inviting people from 4chan to your IRL gaming group is usually fine and perfectly safe. I don't recommend inviting anyone from one of the more extreme *chans. They are morons who don't understand the concept of "hide your powerlevel".

Also,
>The perpetual bane of WW2 German wargaming: the debate on the morals of collecting and gaming with such an army.

>>49274209
> Few people knew.

Why meme for a meme, man? Many first-hand accounts from the time, Wilm Honsweld diaries for example, clearly show that Holocaust and it's methods were common lore among officers and soldiers who even barely cared. Seriously, after T-aktion and Oranienburg you would have to try hard to remain oblivious, especially when you had to partake in most of process, as Wehrmaht had to.

>>49274325
>officers and soldiers who even barely cared

If you have to worry about Ivan hiding behind the bushes 100m away or about getting enough supplies... why would they care about politics far away at home?
They had clearly "better" things to do during the war.

>>49274360
For the politics may were far at home but it was frontline and guard duty where the genocide was conducted and big pat of it was conducted as part time sport while fighting beforementioned Ivan.

Stop trying mate. Your granpa may have been nice guy all along, as many others. But to keep their hands clean they would have to stand up to most powers in their nation. That's hard and it's not very easy to pass juggment over them.

The wrongs were done with hands of ordinary Hans Muller, no matter how great pal he was back home.

>>49274458
Not him but everyone does wrongs in wartime. Burn one village, exterminate one race, flatten one city, its part of the horror of war.
As wargamers we tend to ignore the more brutal aspects and focus on the tactics and equipment used. People not wanting to play a certain faction is just childish. US have committed many atrocities over the years, same with the British and all the other factions usually considered "good". Everyone does it, perhaps not quite on the scale of the third reich, but it shouldn't effect how we wargame. If people dont like it, then perhaps historical wargaming isn't for them.

guys guys we have it all wrong, he doesnt want to play against waffen ss armies because hes a massive cunt

>>49274643
I don't recall the British or US exterminating a race during WW2.

It's a false moral equivalency to draw comparisons to Nazi Germany and the US. The Reich was built on the concept of conquest and racial extermination at the very core of it's existence.

How about we talk about WARGAMES rather than rehash this shit thats been going on for fucking ever?

>>49274842
Only if you tell me what color is feldgrau

Thought of the day: is Muskets and Tomahawks the only game that has ethnic cleansing as a mission objective?

>>49274643
I agree completely about wargaming part. As historian I just cringe very hard hearing that level of denial. That's all. Shit, I have blasted Wehrmacht platoon scheulded some time in the future.

Yet, as we some kind discuss morality here:
>>49274773 got it right.

Seriously there is a line between ,,Shit, misfired, Afgan civillian killed, court martial inbound." and Holocaust. Seriously.

>>49274901
No, Blood on the Plains for Legends of the Old West has mission type devoted to it. GW can be grimdark.

>>49274901
some systems have
"make your own objectives"
as a mission type

>>49274458
>Your granpa may have been nice guy all along,

He wasn't actually, he was hunting partisans and shot way over hundred civilians too.

Its just that he wasn't a nazi at all. He was member of the SPD (socialist-democratic-party) before and after the war. He just happened to get conscripted and was sent to Belarus to serve in an armored train to secure supply lines.

"real" nazis (i.e. guys that were member of the nazi party way before hitler got elected) were just a couple of guys in between.

>ordinary Hans Muller
Exactly my point. But that doesn't makes him a Nazi. Even if he wore an SS uniform.

Soldiers from all kinds of backgrounds did their job and followed orders. So did all of them, no matter what country they came from.

>>49274901
Is killing civilians the same as ehtnic cleansing?
You arent killing them for racial characteristics.

>>49274979
If they are Indians.. sure.

>>49274986
poo in loo

>>49274979
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Acadians

Smells like ethnic cleansing to me.

>>49274951
>Soldiers from all kinds of backgrounds did their job and followed orders. So did all of them, no matter what country they came from.
I thought we'd established that just because you're following orders that doesn't make it okay.

>>49275020
legally it does, and always has.

>>49275042
Nürnberg says differently

>>49275013
Wrong indians.

>>49275061
theyre the only ones from india

>>49275076
No argument there, but that isn't how languages work.

Turkeys for example, aren't from turkey.

>>49275060
indeed it doesn't.

Hundreds of thousands got free on the term "Befehlsnotstand" (i.e. no choice but to follow an order).
Giving that order was what got people convicted


For example:
in 1938 ss-general von dem Bach-Zelewski ordered 2 of his ss men to murder a rival ss officer during the night of the long knifes.
In the 60s they found one of the men doing it. He said he did it on order of v.d.B-Z.
So they arrested the ex-general and accused him.
To the surprise of all, he didn't claimed to have gotten that order directly from Himmler or Hitler himself (which would have got him free) and admitted it. He got jailed for life. (died of age a couple of month later). The actual shooter was free to go.

>>49275092
Im just poking fun at the fact that people still refer to native americans as indians but also indians as indians

W-will I get thrown out if my bring my third punic war roman force to my local forum? The owner says his family escaped Carthage long ago.

>>49275146
>playing the baby killers
disgusting

>>49275146
You're funny

>>49275155
>me and my friend played a game at the forum last week
>i used my sicilian greeks while my buddy gaius used his converted carthaginian army
>punic storeowner noticed my mates army had the carthaginians burning babies in urns and counting shekels
>gaius was banned for life

My third punic war romans are just slightly converted taking female slaves while Scipio stands on a big pile of lybian corpses. Is that too far? I don't want the lictors guild to arrest me after Caracalla's edict banning discrimination against the new Romans.

I'm interested in playing germans in ww1 but since I'm situated in Belgium I fear I won't find any players who will play me. Are my fears justifiable?

>>49275619
You think that's bad? I collect an early war USSR force and I've been forcibly removed from many game stores. Fucking Finland.

>>49271935
>>49271887
>>49271856
Clothes are waaaay too dark. Did you even do any research?

>>49275660
You think that's bad? I collected white army civil war russians and the NKVD shot me for treason against the state.

File: Budget.jpg (162KB, 563x427px) Image search: [Google]

162KB, 563x427px

>>49275734
Well, I'm looking to get into SAGA but we're only allowed to play saracens and berbers.

File: Peter_Nicolai_Arbo-Hervors_dod.jpg (57KB, 1252x788px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 1252x788px

You guys, this might be somewhat of a long shot but do you know any good historical novels?

All of the items from order #80286 have now been shipped:

1x Stone Walls plastic boxed set
1x Plastic Pin Markers
2x 25mm round lip bases sprue
1x Bolt Action upgrade offer: Rulebook or Starter Set + FREE infantry boxed set* - Bolt Action 2 Rulebook + German Grenadiers


Fuck yeah. Finally.

>>49275933
I read a couple of Sharpe books when I was a teenager and when I found a book store which sold some I bought a whole bunch. Halfway through the Trafalgar book and I'm enjoying it immensely.
Although I mainly read history books and very rarely novels, I can also recommend the Hornblower series.

>>49275933
I've just finished the first Flashman novel, that was a pretty entertaining romp through the 1st Afghan War.

>>49275998
>Although I mainly read history books and very rarely novels,

Thats mainly true for myself as well, but i kinda want to have some casual read in between too.

I'll check out the titles you mentioned.

>>49276020
Thanks, added to my list

>>49275933
What period? Master and Commander/the Aubrey and Maturin series are totes amazeballs, but not your typical military historical novels.

One of my favourites is actually a fantasy novel, The Drawing of the Dark by Tim Powers, about the Siege of Vienna.

File: 1870 Sedan Beayern.jpg (242KB, 1000x774px) Image search: [Google]

242KB, 1000x774px

>>49276040
>What period?

I don't want to rule out possibly awesome novels by naming a specific period. I like all kinds of history and i'm always open to new stuff. Because who knows, maybe a novel sparks the need to build an army for that period.

>>49276076
There's also Dissolution by CJ Sansom; a detective novel set during the break-up of the monasteries during Henry VIII. The author's written five or six other books in the same series but I found that they get a bit dry and formulaic after a while.

>>49276076
The Ill-made Knight by Christian Cameron was the first medieval novel I'd enjoyed since... Pillars of the Earth?

>>49276076
Classics of literature have some quality stuff. One of my pofessors considered Vatari's ,,Sinuhe, The Egyptian" (rough translation of the title) as his all-time-favourite.

But if you arte going for light stuff, go Dumas.

>>49276243
I've read (and watched) the Pillars series as a teenager actually.

File: Sharpe's Battle (5) Tipu Sahib.webm (3MB, 720x405px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 720x405px

>>49275998
>Halfway through the Trafalgar book and I'm enjoying it immensely.

I read the Sharpe novels back in the day, and wasn't a fan of the later prequels at all, except for Tiger (where he kills Tipu Sahib and becomes a sergeant) and Fortress (where he saves Wellesley's life at Assaye). Both of these were epic events that had been referenced constantly in the original books, so seeing them finally happen was a buzz. Prey was really dire though, like bad fan fiction. What I didn't like about Trafalgar was that it gives him a whole backstory which he totally forgets about in the later novels, written before it. It must be odd reading them in chronological order rather than the original publishing run.

File: HERESY!.png (14KB, 743x93px) Image search: [Google]

14KB, 743x93px

>>49276357
I think I'll still be able to manage. When I was 17 years old, 9 years ago, I read the Indian triology which I still keep on my bookshelf but I don't remember much about it.
And I've decided to read them in chronological order because I want to see if they're passable that way. Since most people have read them as they were published I wanted to try it differently.

File: Sharpe's Sword (6) A Bloody Good Book.webm (3MB, 640x360px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 640x360px

>>49276599

Good on you anyway, anon. Definitely a core part of the Napoleonic wargamer's curriculum. The books will always be superior to the movies too, especially without the constraint of budget holding them back.

I really wish that there was some kind of French equivalent, but I don't know any good ones in English. There was an attempt called the Alain Lausard Adventures, ran to six titles; but it was dull, poorly written, and cliched as hell. Lausard was a third-rate not-Sharpe (dragoon instead of rifleman this time) and it all felt very bland and well-worn. The author, one "Richard Howard" (apparently a pen-name) seems to have taken the hint and gave up, the last book ending at Eylau. I don't recommend them.

>>49275933
>When Christ and His Saints Slept

Historical novel about the civil war between Normandy and England in the 12th C

>>49272889
I recently picked up Banzai: Age of the country at war. Not got a chance to read it yet but it looked interesting as it was a specialist game for japanese warfare around the 1500s specifically for 15mm and smaller figures.

File: anc30001.jpg (150KB, 800x294px) Image search: [Google]

150KB, 800x294px

Can anyone post DBA 3.0 full rulebook?

>>49275933
Neal Stephenson's Baroque trilogy (beginning with Quicksilver).
From the fire of London to George 1st, told by Isaac Newton, Bobbie Shaftoe, Christopher Wren & others.

File: DSCF4175.jpg (431KB, 1600x944px) Image search: [Google]

431KB, 1600x944px

>>49277374

In our Ancient/Games folder

http://www.mediafire.com/download/1lfvfani2aevoym/DBA+3.0.pdf

>>49277379
Listened to the audio book of that. Was great until I was bombing it up the M5 and the chapter describing childbirth in horrific detail happened...

>>49275619
How the hell can they wargame WWI if nobody plays the Germans?

>>49277598
There were more than one front during that war actually.

Ottomans vs russians
Austrians vs French
Austrians vs Italian

There are lots of possibilites.

Be careful with german units in WW1. Lots of later high rank nazis fought there. You can literally field Hitler, Goering or Dirlewanger.

>>49277598
It's just a dumb joke, look back through the thread chain.

>>49277716
I know but I would imagine people in Belgium are more likely to play the Belgians than most.

>>49277748
>dumb

rude

File: pancer1p.jpg (81KB, 787x600px) Image search: [Google]

81KB, 787x600px

>>49277951
Are they?

In the UK here, almost everyone I know gravitated towards anything but the British army when Bolt Action started taking off in a big way.

File: Untitled.png (418KB, 600x615px) Image search: [Google]

418KB, 600x615px

>>49278069

File: 51u343yaIXL._SX369_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg (56KB, 371x499px) Image search: [Google]

56KB, 371x499px

>>49248996
Who's looking forward to this month's upcoming The Men Who Would Be Kings: Colonial Wargaming Rules? Could one wargame the Boer War with these rules, you reckon?

Does anyone have any information on British Army medical personnel from WW2? Specifically, I'm trying to find out whether the British had medical personnel embedded at the platoon level in a similar fashion to the American platoon medic, or whether they were organized at a higher organizational level and attached temporarily to platoons or companys.

There isn't an Osprey for this AFAIK, and google searches are just coming back with exclusively American combat medic results, regardless of my search string.

>>49278912
Unsure, hoping to use Perry's Afghans with them.

I don't know if there are any similar Brits with Enfields that would be suitable for the boer war.

>>49279072
Too modern, you think? Rifles by the end of the century were much the same ones used in the First World War.

>see ww2 discussion
>wanna start ww2 project
>remember I already have one thats meant to be my primary project

Why cant I hold all these oranges

File: 1308337941765.jpg (113KB, 760x504px) Image search: [Google]

113KB, 760x504px

>>49279729
Such is the curse of the wargamer.

>>49279729
>need to finish 28mm FIW stuff I bought
>need to finish 6mm Austrian Napoleonic army
>want to start 10mm AWI

Send help please

>>49279783
>need to finish 28mm WW2 (Europe and Africa with both Allies and Germans), F&IW +AWI, Congo Mercs, Falkands and Napoleonics, Romano British, 14th Century, 15th Century, 19th Century Colonial
>15mm Imagi-nations, Ancients, WW2 forces
>10mm Renaissance
>1/2400 ww2 Naval

That's all I can remember at the moment. most aren't small forces wither. Please send more help.

>>49279893
Well, even with the 6mm French Naps I forgot to mention you got me well and truly 1 upped.

Why do you have so much going on and why is so much of it in 28mm

>>49279950
I get distracted? but thats not quite right. I like so many periods and get excited very easily its hard to focus without coming up with other cool ideas.

I like skirmish games (or the possiblity to play skirmish games) and enjoy painting more than playing. I don't really care for stuff below 10mm, not to say that it doesn't have merit more that I don't care for the aesthetics. I still have a 6mm ww1 early war german force though.

>>49280038
post collection please

>>49280153
Most of it in various stages of WiP in cases/boxes in my garage/closet.

It's not very fancy desu or good to look at. The projects I've done recently have been posted here anyway.

Is 10mm a meme scale?

>>49281336
Warmaster was 10mm.
So yes.

>>49281336
Nah.

>>49281336
What the fuck does this even mean?

>>49281365
I think it MIGHT be a shitpost.

>>49281336
meme if your local club doesn't have armies/terrain to play against yours, yes.

How has Victrix miniatures managed such an explosive growth in producing new miniature sets?
I really want to buy all their ancient miniatures.

>>49282972
I absolutely love Victrix. They have improved so drastically. I'm in the process of putting the balearic slingers and some romans and the figures are so nice. Ive got my eye on the iberian stuff next. Aside from some minor complaints about box contents and some design choices, these are some great figs. Shame how hard it is to get in the us some times

>>49279893
>Mostly GW 28mms - building skeletons, bretonnians and chaos forces in different stages of wip
>Theorycrafting BA Norwegians with small local scene only
>one week old baby

>>49283471
Have you basecoated the baby yet?

>>49279502
Oh I rather meant for appearance, not the ruleset. Since the Perry Afghan Brits have Martini's whereas I don't know any with enfields that would be suitable for Boer war. Maybe in small scales though.

>>49283508
Foundry do a range for the 2nd Boer War.

>>49283538
Oh splendid, I didn't realize that. Haven't looked at foundry for anything apart from their colonial Chinese.

>>49283494
A healthy pink with a white lion/zebra/giraffe uniform and in a bed for soft cover.

>>49274773
>I don't recall the British or US exterminating a race
The native american indians perhaps?
Nuking 100,000 civilians wasn't exactly good-guy material. Also agent orange was pretty damn horrible. Many people with birth defects still to this day

>>49283811
>The native american indians perhaps?

Hey, we're still around, regardless of how hard the whities tried.

>>49284007
So are the gyppos...

>>49284007
Do you happen to live in Montana?

File: 6858290_orig.jpg (140KB, 532x800px) Image search: [Google]

140KB, 532x800px

>>49278996
>Specifically, I'm trying to find out whether the British had medical personnel embedded at the platoon level in a similar fashion to the American platoon medic, or whether they were organized at a higher organizational level and attached temporarily to platoons or companys.

Essentially a bit of both; every division had a Field Ambulance company attached, and the men in that served as combat medics, stretcher-bearers, and ambulance drivers. Perhaps the general Ospreys on the British Army in WW2 could help? Or perhaps google around for "Royal Army Medical Corps in WW2".

>>49279729
Are you me
I have my ASL with minis
My 3mm ACW
and now some AWI 28mm stuff.

File: Game2.jpg (4MB, 4320x2432px) Image search: [Google]

4MB, 4320x2432px

Replayed our capture the hill scenario from last weekend. A close call victory for the Germans. Soviets seized the hill, were able to hold it. But unable to withstand the German counterattack. Breaking under withering artillery bombardment and the massed fire of grenadier squads.

>>49249076
>>49249037
Hey OP, I just want to say I appreciate the thought you put into your posts. I really enjoy reading descriptions of past events and the suggestions you make for them.

>>49261629
>>49261637
>>49261606
>not being left-ish
>current year

it's like you dont even know how the political climate has shifted

modern liberals = moderates, since the alternative for the modern moderate is just insane rightwingers who champion policies that don't even make mathematical sense

>>49284007
So are the non-aryans in europe.

The point is every nation has done bad things in the past, The Brits starved a couple million people in India in 1943 for example. The Germans do take the cake in WW2, up there with the Japanese and the Soviets, but no soldier or nations is free of sin.

>>49287520
Right, but that doesn't make the callouts invalid; whataboutism doesn't work no matter what the Russians think.

>>49283811
>agent orange
A defoliant.

>>49287855
A dangerously toxic defoliant that was sprayed willy-nilly over areas that people went.

File: Agent-Orange-dioxin-skin-damage-Vietnam.jpg (23KB, 450x358px) Image search: [Google]

23KB, 450x358px

>>49287855
Many chemicals could be called "defoliants" most are also extremely toxic to humans.

Read "health Effects":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange
3 Million people with illnesses caused by it, 4 million exposed.
Most families in the areas sprayed have a severely handicapped child or two. Its pretty awful. The "defoliant" is still poisoning people to this day, being in soil.

>>49287776
>but that doesn't make the callouts invalid

It does, however, mean that false equivalencies are still false. The British acts during WW2 are not and were not as bad as those of the Japanese, and American acts are not and were not as bad as those of the Germans or Russians.

I went across the pond and am going to uni in California, and the number of people who consider the US to be a country that deserves to be summarily wiped out because it dropped atom bombs is staggering. They literally feel that those blatantly outweigh the combined actions of all three Axis powers AND those of Russia (in fact, all of the actions of the Russian state during WW2 are held up as outright heroic and justified, as they were but, "poor peasants struggling just to survive and they didn't have any other choice to save their state." Rapes and civilian killings on German soil are outright denied.).

Literally every country has done bad things. You cannot be a country without having done bad things to other people at some point in history. That does not mean that some actions are not worse than other actions; nothing that Denmark, say, has ever done comes anywhere CLOSE to being as bad as WW2 Germany.**

**And to throw the meme out there, I firmly, completely, believe that the majority of German people and soldiers really didn't realize the full import of the death camps. I figure somewhere between a quarter and a third of them did. That doesn't excuse the ones who didn't from culpability, mind, but it's just as asinine to claim that every German is EQUALLY responsible or that every German who didn't have a direct hand in it has a conscience as white as the driven snow, either. Nuance is still a thing that is allowed, right?

>>49288102

Don't get into shit with national powers whom you can't compete against.

As an outside observer, it's astounding how much the US puts on kid's gloves when it goes to war. If they had just said "fuck it, it's on", and gone into Vietnam in force (instead of politically-limited drips and drabs) and with the same ROEs as they did in the Pacific War, they would have rolled over North Vietnam in a year. Two tops.

They handicapped the shit out of themselves so badly there was no way they could actually achieve a meaningful objective. In an ideological fight like Vietnam, the only - ONLY - way to win against a foe like the communists is basically a scorched-earth/too-terrible-to-fight level of warfare. When you can inflict 1,000 casualties on the OpFor (or supporting population) in retribution for every casualty you suffer, and keep that up, the OpFor will either stop fighting or run out of people. Americans can actually DO that if they wanted to, even disregarding nukes, and at this point, I'm waiting until somebody does something stupid to them that they'll get pissed off enough to say "fuck it" and actually go into a war with the WWII "total war" mindset.

>>49288119
Y'know what the other fun thing from WW2 is? The question of whether or not Russia could have won/basically did win the war entirely on its own.

>>49288216
A big part of why the didn't was because doing that would have awoken the Red Dragon (a nuclear capable state at that point)

>>49288349
And nowadays it's avoided because the media is *fucking everywhere* and there's basically no way to pull that kind of shit and not have everybody and their mother inside and outside of your country knowing about it.

>>49288216
That's what happens in a democracy when a politically entrenched minority wants to wage a bullshite war that the majority opposes. They have to dress it up with words like "peacekeeping" and "advisory" and tell us that, well, only Congress shall have the power to declare war, but the President isn't really technically declaring war, honest you guys, so all you voters can go get fucked.

>>49288216
>Don't get into shit with national powers whom you can't compete against.
Are you implying Vietnam wanted a war with america? because that is not correct.
The South wanted support, but so does every government who thinks they can get it. The U.S. had no obligation to send in any forces at all. I dont buy the "We must stop communism at all costs!" line. its bullshit. Communism is just a form of government, and you didn't see the U.S. invading China or Russia post WW2. If they really wanted to wipe out communism they would have gone to the source/s.

U.S. were only prolonging the inevitable and making it happen with 100X more casualties. The north conquered the south as soon as the U.S. left. There was no good reason to commit troops, and that decision is a well earned-stain on America's military record.

>>49288593
>Communism is just a form of government

Economy.

>>49277379
second this, very well written and entertaining

File: whiskey civil war.jpg (329KB, 739x1080px) Image search: [Google]

329KB, 739x1080px

>>49285810

All good!

Any anons got a favorite from this list for the next thread?

>Marathon 490BC
>Vienna 1683
>The Gran Sasso Raid 1943

>>49288216
Not wanting to turn this /pol/, but the Brits and the Aussies dealt with the Malay insurgency, the Mau Mau in Kenya, Aden etc. Without going all 'Muh military industrial complex!'

Rather they were competent, both politically and tactically. Unfortunately things like long range foot patrols, forced relocation and 'dilution' aren't expensive and do result in some casualties.

Simply, America doesn't have the moral fibre to carry through any counter insurgency work where they can't just pay a Latin American dictator to do the repression for them. Just look at Af-Pak for the last 15 years.

File: husaria.jpg (300KB, 1024x729px) Image search: [Google]

300KB, 1024x729px

>>49290040
I vote for the crazy bastards.
Means VIenna, and the Winged Hussars

>>49290046
>Not wanting to turn this /pol/, but the Brits and the Aussies dealt with the Malay insurgency, the Mau Mau in Kenya, Aden etc. Without going all 'Muh military industrial complex!'

I don't think either of those were on quite the same scale as the things the septic tanks tended to get thrown at, m8.

File: FUCK YO PIKES.jpg (42KB, 879x318px) Image search: [Google]

42KB, 879x318px

>>49290124
Why are winged hussars so damn sexy

>>49288593
You are really asking why the USA did not provoke a nuclear war?

And you cannot dismiss a system that murdered over 100 million people as 'just another form of government'. Or wonder why people might want to fight against it.

>>49290248
pro communists are brainwashed fools but so are patriotic americans thinking their system is any good either. Americans are jsut as much a blight as any russian.

Sorry to break it to you bub

File: Good Morning Fellow Gentlemen.jpg (180KB, 652x581px) Image search: [Google]

180KB, 652x581px

guys guys

we're going too far

post codpieces

>>49290258
HAH CHODE

File: ITSARUSE.jpg (132KB, 479x359px) Image search: [Google]

132KB, 479x359px

>>49290258

>>49290281
HAH PUSSY

>>49290281
Technically correct IS the best kind of correct.

File: My Sides.jpg (63KB, 640x385px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 640x385px

>>49290281
Top kek

File: it_ain't_gonna_suck_itself.jpg (110KB, 770x904px) Image search: [Google]

110KB, 770x904px

>>49290258

File: 1413069973299.jpg (877KB, 1276x850px) Image search: [Google]

877KB, 1276x850px

>>49290040
>Vienna 1683
yesssss

>>49266644
you know they didn't ride into battle like that either, right? japanese cavalry ran around with a couple of spearmen each, keeping pace.

japanese military organisation is something wargames tend to completely fuck up.

>>49290248
"Your system is bad, my system is good"
The only difference between Modern Vietnam and USA is that USA is a two-party state, while Vietnam is a one party state. Neither country has any real control over their leadership. The U.S is not a democracy, even if they want people to believe they are.

Any form of government can kill millions of people. British government in 1943 starved 3 million people in India.
The exact form of leadership isn't a reason to invade a random country. I understand the U.S. is scared of the big boys like Russia and China and nobody wants a nuclear war, but still no good reason to invade Vietnam, or intervene in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, any of those places. Saddam was a bad man, but killing him destabilized the whole region and essentially created ISIL.

Why dont the U.S. intervene in some of the places with really bad leadership in Africa? Not communist enough for them?

>>49290369
yeah, they didn't really charge much during the sengoku era. except for the takeda. if anything mounted samurai of that time were more like dragoons; ride to the battle, fight on foot with spears, guns, and bows.

>>49290369
theyre yari kachi, ever play total war ?

>>49290040

Gran Sasso 1943

They did not even shoot once, right? The Italian Military police surrendered thanks to a ploy, if I remember right.

>>49290378
>Why dont the U.S. intervene in some of the places with really bad leadership in Africa?

same reason why nobody else does.

Someone has the Dux Bellorum pdf from Osprey? I'd like a read before buying.

Thanks in advance.

>>49290378
Some forms of government are just worse than others, any attempt to argue otherwise is just delusional false equivalence.

Now stop derailing the thread and stop assuming people are Americans for criticising a system as awful as communism.

File: eufrozyna_jerzyowska_of_rzeczpospolita_wendowie_by_gambargin-da0v2j3.jpg (277KB, 747x1070px) Image search: [Google]

277KB, 747x1070px

>>49290342
>>49290124

Vienna it is. It's just too cool to pass up, and it's probably my favorite wargaming era. Also we have the rules for By Fire And Sword, which is really THE game for it.

>>49290417

That's right, Skorzeny bluffed his way through the whole thing. But all sorts of variables were involved and it makes for a great commando scenario. I found an old generic mission in the September '97 Wargames Illustrated. so I'll post that as well.

File: 5JS7nHf.jpg (15KB, 480x360px) Image search: [Google]

15KB, 480x360px

>>49290519
only good system is no system

> Sandbox uses random rolls to generate encounters, giving an unpredictable experience crafted to be particularly useful for Solo players and can be easily incorporated in a conventional wargames campaign.

Thank you based Ivan for catering to my groupless ass.

http://www.wargamevault.com/product/193097/FiveCore-Sandbox-Infantry-Patrols-in-occupied-territory?cPath=23449_23825

>>49285742
Nice. Never really thought of getting into earlier/mid Soviets, I've got mostly late-war stuff, but that's certainly inspiring to make me paint my stuff up.

shame I can't paint til friday :(

WHAT FOLDER IS FIVECORE IN

>>49291217
Five Men In Normandy is in the WW2/Games folder

>>49291217
We don't have it because we shill Ivan and encourage people to buy his stuff and it tends to be cheap anyway.

We've got FMiN though, which is basically an older, WW2-focused variant.

>>49291239
>>49291232
meh nevermind. Im never one to buy a ruleset unless I know I like it

>>49291259
Just check 5 men in Normandy and see if you like it. 5 core and the other games based upon it work exactly like that.

>>49291259
>>49291239
It's free/PWYW now, along with all the early-fivecore supplements.

https://www.wargamevault.com/product/191836/FiveCore-Retro-Collection

Good stuff, and yeah, the later games are evolutionary - you'll know if you'll like them by the time you've played FMiN.

>>49279783
>>49279893
>ww2 russians
>ww2 germans
>several tank kits
>plane kit
>chaos space marine kill team
>weird war germans
>100-year-war french
>couple of romans
>like 100 old metal warhammer minis i want to strip and repaint

kill me already

>>49291344
I actually like the rules for force creation in Normandy better than in Kursk.

Kursk lets you pick stuff while Normandy makes your roll which resluts in a way more random force.