Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>49230013
I don't have a character...someone give me a game, please!

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>>49229942
That's a fair point, but its going to be messy to adjudicate and I don't feel like writing that into the rules.

>>49229980
Mm, I totally forgot about the Witch class. Even so, they get their spells in a way that's decidedly different from the thematics of the spellburst savant, and the magpie mage archetype exists to make someone who poaches more spells doable.

Out of curiosity, is there some concept you're specifically looking for here, or just an alternate list? I would just consider asking your DM to allow a different list if it's for a game. After all, this is just a particularly fancy homebrew.

Nonetheless, there's some room for some ACFs as a result in a necessary layout shift when trying to add /one/ ACF, so I'm going to add some new stuff. Might do something for witchcraft.

>join a roll20 campaign.
>never done this online roleplaying before.
>Make a half-orc unchained monk because it's easy and even if the GM is shit he can't take my gear away.
>Join in first game
>Find out one of the other players is playing an female elf oracle of Calistra and plans to become an Enchanting Courtesan
>The character has the child curse
>10 minutes into the game the oracle starts hitting on my character
>Says my half-orc must be 'big'.

WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO? I thought you guys were just messing when you said everyone in roll20 was playing fetish characters. Is this actually normal? How am I supposed to respond to this?

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>>49230047
Ah, haven't seen those yet. I'll look into them as well
>>49230007
Are you talking about another homebrew? Was it posted in here? You might be talking about my other homebrewed archetype. I've made some changes to it since to balance it out and smooth gameplay with it.

>>49230062
What's your experience level?

>>49230130
Do it.

>>49230062

Probably not wise to ask; might get something like >>49230130.

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>>49230130
>Says my half-orc must be 'big'.

>>49230130

Make it clear to the player that you're not comfortable with that kind of shit.

>>49230153
Yes, your homebrew stuff. Post it, please.

>>49230096
In-particular, the concept I was thinking of was a character that steadily gains power from their god's divine portfolio; less width, more depth. A Divine Spellburst Savant wouldn't learn how to Gate in Solar Devas or Raise Dead, but could instead focus on their deity's domain over farmland and safety and expand upon it greatly; Maximized Catastrophic Plant Growth, for instance.

>>49230153
Spoiler alert: The Sovereign Blade is terrible.

Yojimbo does what it's supposed to do to a point.

>>49230156
Midrange, versed enough to know what I'm doing, but not enough to know "Optimal" builds off the top of my head.

>>49230180
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XlHjDwIEGVMpGSk3mQ8bOwyMQXLR6nLIF94qm0VwXBg/edit?usp=sharing
This is the most current version.

>>49230190
Hmm. Yeah, I think that that's something I would not want to use the base chassis of this class for. Might just be personal preference, but I would do very different things with a concept like that than I did with the spellburst savant, and it's not in the cards for this particular homebrew.

Sorry.

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>>49230062
>someone give me a game
Scarlett Noir Dragoon.

Alchemical Scoundrel update

>Added Inspiring Cognatogens to alchemical scoundrel

I think combining it with inquisitive detective could be very powerful, but at the same time, I think I'm okay with it since normal mutagen would allow them much more attack buffs, and also add to damage more.

>>49230130
They're a child. Treat them like one, and tell them to piss off if they keep trying it.

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>>49230282

>>49230062
You slowly awaken, blinking back tears, your head throbbing with pain. You can't remember what you were doing, but as your eyes slowly adjust to the dim light, you realize you are in a 10 foot by 10 foot room, and in the middle of the room stands an orc with a pie.

What do you do?

Do you gain the natural attacks of the creature you turn into with Monstrous Physique? where does it say this?

Rolled 11 (1d20)

>>49230403
Years of training have guided me towards this exact moment. I rush for the orc "No don't, that pie is a mimic!" I try to warn as I roll to slap the insidious monster from his hand.

I had tangled with this monster in the past, and now it had brought me here simply to taunt me to watch as it devours another victim before my eyes.

>>49230312
>give me a game
I so dumb and read this as name.
Strangely, but i had seen more strange things at /pfg/.

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>>49230282

I want to violate that busty redhead!

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>>49230482
>Isn't even showing anything
>Isn't even that curved around the hips and chest
>somehow busty
Anon pls, get a damn drink you thirsty MF.

>>49230130
>WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO?

Fuck her.

I'm serious, give the player exactly what they want and insist you roleplay the encounter in excruciating detail (in private if you have to.)

The player won't stop pestering you for the BOC until you give it to her.

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>>49230519
If you give a mouse some milk, he'll want some more, anon.

>>49230130
I once did something similar. Except I used alter self/disguise self and a bunch of other magic to become a child. When one of the other party members finally slept with me I chris hansonned his ass so far.

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>>49230482
>I want to violate
Do you prefer amputee-girls?

Thoughts on wildshaping into a Galvo as a druid? 3 attacks all of which have an electric damage bonus and you get the +4 to STR and Armor. I mean obviously it isnt as good as a giant squid or air elemental but if something is weak to electric attacks could be good right?

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>>49230096
>>49230266

Because I totally forgot the Witch existed, and it's arcane, I've added a new ACF that gives them limited extra access to the Witch spell list. I've also added an ACF for gishy sorts that uses Vital Strike with Shining Blade.

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What was the coolest character you've ever made, /pfg/?

>>49230503
>thinking any of those things are key to attractiveness

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>>49230013
>how does your character spend their free time?

Depends on the character.

>Human Brawler
Keeping himself in good shape for his tour of the fight circuts - but he never forgets to treat himself, either. His options are somewhat limited by his image as a 'face' and his own nature, but he does show quite some appreciation for the theater.

>Sylph Sorceress
Lazy bum just sits around and either sleeps or daydreams.

>Human Oracle
Trying to encourage the development of her son's as-yet-nonexistent love life. It isn't working.

>Halfling Gunslinger
Depends on what's available, but she does play a mean guitar.

>Dwarf Invulnerable Rager
Not much. She doesn't really have an idea of 'fun.'

>Agathion-Blooded Aasimar Oracle
Cooking, baking, and basket-weaving. Her hobbies are almost boringly innocent.

>Angel-Blooded Aasimar Chosen One Paladin
Prayers to Iomedae, mostly.

>Gnome Spiritualist
Talking to herself (actually her Phantom), and whatever else she /can/ do for fun on a prison ship.

>Human Devolutionist Druid that I haven't built yet
Seeking out the downtrodden, malcontent, and purposeless. From NEETS to villains, those who cannot find a good cause in life need someone to show some mercy. Some compassion. A second chance.

>>49230687
>Implying the original anon wasn't blatantly trying to objectify the character when they don't really have any visual objectification apparant.

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>>49230403
>>49230465
Do you think I'm kidding, anon? Continue!

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>>49230693
>Cooking, baking, and basket-weaving. Her hobbies are almost boringly innocent.

>Agathion-blooded Aasimar

What kinda animal does she look like, anon?

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>>49230636
>when he is immobilized or helpless
>he

On a side note, the Alternate Class Features sound cool and the expanded possibilities are great. Fan of the AC bonus because I like going light loads anyway, not needing armor's great.

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>>49230718

You got it right the first time, anon. I'm a thirsty motherfucker who has the most unfortunate habit of trying to sexualize anything I see online.

Doesn't translate to the real world tho, which is good.

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>>49230748
Not sure if it's kosher, but pic related is close to my mental image.

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>>49230759
Typos suck. PDF homebrews suck for typo fixes. I need to get a persistent link I can upload this to or something.

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>>49230828
>Not sure if it's kosher, but pic related is close to my mental image.

>Celestial cow-girl

Keep doing what you're doing, anon.

is there a way for my Halfling Druid to be an improvised weapon of its animal companion? I wish for my Druid to be used as a throwing weapon at the beginning of battle, and to easily close into melee range by doing so (gm wont allow fleet of foot). What's the optimal way to go about this? If I get a companion to have an INT of 3 I can give it the command to throw me, but I'm not sure which animal would best fit this role, and how to minimize the damage I take by being thrown as a weapon. Also, how I would calculate the damage I would do. I imagine a pointed helm would be great, but it obviously can't be metallic.

>>49230828
>>49230862
Welp. I have a new character that I'm going to be constantly hard while playing.

>>49230984
also if i shapeshift while in flight, do i keep the inertia of when I was thrown?

Has anyone here used heroforge? One of my friends showed it to me, it looks decent.

>>49230465
A pie is just a pie, and it splatters across the ground the orc looks down. His head and shoulders drop slightly, and his lower lip quivers. A single, sad, solitary tear rolls down his cheek.

Congratulations! You have defeated the Orc! Or his his spirit anyway and you receive 14 experience points and advance to level 2.

Look forward to next week's game, Two Orcs One Pie.

>>49231081
I fall to my knees and cry out to the ceiling "NOOOOOOOOOO!"

In the distance, a lone pie snickers evilly at what it has wrought.

>your character can make an enemy entangled if they fail a reflex save? that's stupid and OP, how do they do that?

>it's an infusion

>Change it out or leave the campaign

Meanwhile, the party sorcerer is completely unmolested.

Worst GM you've had?

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>>49230862

>Celestial cow-girl
>Not "Holy cow"

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>>49230682

I'm terrible at making cool characters. It's much easier making dumb ones that are really fun to play.

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>>49231147

>how does your character spend their free time
Probably going around town looking for information, or sneaking off to look for and hang out with followers of Shelyn. Or jerking off alone, since they usually don't have enough free time for much else.

>Try to find a Favored Soul equivalent for Pathfinder
>"just use oracle lmao"
Nigga I just wanna be Jesus H Christ chosen by the gods, not some crippled freak.

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>>49230828

Why couldn't Cathyl be that adorable in MonMun? Cow-girls are supposed to be motherly and sweet as per the universal laws of kenomomimi.

>>49231143
Does the dumb motherfucker not know what a Tanglefoot Bag is? It makes the target entangled if they SUCCEED on a reflex save.

>>49231143
GM said flanking and using Lay on Hands on females would break paladin code of conduct.

This was after I made the paladin.

>>49231215

>That spoiler

Just get a camp follower willing to do that for you, anon.

>>49230130
>Says my half-orc must be 'big'.
>For her

>>49231286

Epic memes aside, she's probably not talking "relative to her" because the character sounds like she was a massive slut *way* before joining the party.

>>49231261
"But you can use it without paying money! That's ridiculous and unrealistic! How can you entangle them with earth anyway?"

Most people legitimately think the Kineticist is OP.

>>49231238

But anon, if they're motherly and sweet, how are you supposed to bully them?

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>>49231376

By getting the bull, of course.

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>>49231376
>tfw don't have any Carlos gifs to recognize your pun with

>>49231267
Maybe he just joking?

>>49231337
>Most people legitimately think the Kineticist is OP.
Bullshit

Bullshit

Bullshit.

NO.

NO.

>>49231398

I'd hand some to you if I could, anon.

>>49231280
But that's effort, and the PC isn't particularly charming. They're also surrounded by imbeciles.

>>49231409
He wasn't. My paladin jumped off a bridge after shaming himself in combat for flanking an enemy.

>>49231465
>and the PC isn't particularly charming

I can guarantee you that most prostitutes would jump at the chance for a week or three of adventure if you're willing to pay living expenses and a 100 gp per week income.

>>49230013
>How does your character spend their free time.

If he's at home, he's tending the bar his step-father gave him, always filling tankards to their top (because he doesn't need the coin) and telling stories of the amazing things his best friends (including the now-marquis of his territory) have done, while glossing over the necessary evils, and completely ignoring his own amazing deeds.

If he's abroad with aforementioned party, he's keeping watch or hunting and cooking the evening meal, grooming the eternally gnarled hide of his elk, or meticulously double and triple checking his arrows and the bow his merchant-wizard friend made him.

>>49231267
>flanking and using Lay on Hands on females would break paladin code of conduct
"With great power there must also come great responsibility"

Reading, admiring lewd Tian wall scrolls, collecting figurines, polishing his sword.
Literally, you perverts.

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>>49231556
>Literally you, perverts

FTFY.

>>49230013
he plays songs from the Dwarven Top 40 in bars for tips

>>49231426
It's 100% true, anon. You have to accept it.

Most people look at kineticist, and see someone who can cast spells all day without needing rest. They don't see anything making it weak.

>>49231489
Consider the following:
>autism

>>49231797
>>49231426

Want the icing on the cake?

They play these classes and have fun, they play them and never truly realize just how bad they are.

Because they're having fun.

>>49231835
At last I finally see.

>>49231842

Sokath, his eyes uncovered!

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What's the best way to build a character like the Sisters from Kubo?

Question - how would you go about seducing an Illithid?

In the current campaign, I'm playing a kind of seductress Inquisitor and there's an NPC that I think is an Illithid (they're those octopus headed things, right?) in disguise, but I haven't been able to prove it yet. How can I get it (her? him? How do they work?) alone with me so I can say, "GOTCHA!"

>>49231974
Illithids don't have genitals.

>>49231974
It doesn't really work. They don't reproduce sexually, they do so by placing a tadpole into your brain and letting it mutate you into one of them.

If it's in disguise, though, you could always use a scroll of True Sight or something that intercepts telepathy.

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>>49231143
>infusions are OP you can't use this one or that one
>vancian casting? yeah sure, whatever
>mfw

>>49231974
>How can I get it (her? him? How do they work?) alone with me so I can say, "GOTCHA!"

If the Illithid is in disguise, just craft a scenario where it looks like he could get away with eating your brain, and when the scenario is set-up just put on the moves as per normal.

>>49231967

We'll need more info than that, anon.

>>49231974
>How do I trick a Mind Flayer into having sex with me

...Do you hear why this sounds retarded?

>>49231967
That would require a summary of their abilities and physiology.

>>49231721
>from the Dwarven Top 40
Gold, gold, gold, gold,
gold, gold, gold, gold,
gold, gold, gold, gold,
gold, gold, gold, gold.

>>49232016
There is a half-illithid template in the Fiend Folio
It only occurs when ilitadpoles are used on non-human humanoids. So still no genitalia, but I thought it was barely relevant.

>>49232016
Oh.

>>49232037
Sorry, I didn't know.

>>49231967
They're Witches, aren't they?

>>49231229
Oracle but without the curse, then, jeezus. As impactful as those are, many give more benefits than drawbacks.

>>49231835
They don't play it.

Most people ban kineticists. Even at PFS tables, where it is explicitly legal, kineticists are often not allowed.

>>49232016
>>49232019
Aren't they hermaphrodites? I thought they created those brain larva by fucking each other.

>>49232229
Honestly, jebus is more like a paladin. All that lay on handsing. Maybe a Holy Light, and something that makes them less openly combative.

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>>49232369
>>49232229
>>49231229

Jesus was an Oracle with a divine template.

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>>49232298
>kineticists are often not allowed.

>>49232299
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>>49230013

My character is the Lord of a small hamlet that he helped raise from the ground after capturing a castle that had been taken by orcs who had killed everyone and destroyed most of the town

He spends most of his time there. He used to need to do lots of hands on work at the start, working in the fields, helping build new structures, now he just spends most of his day relaxing in his keep

>>49232429
>They're doing it solo
>One well-designed illness away from total annihilation

>>49230013

Performing magic tricks for children, telling fortunes, practicing phrenology, and crafting spells for his "spellbook" because he's not REALLY a wizard, he just pretends he's one.

So, /pfg/, I decided to allow PoW in my game for the first time. Only one player took me up on it, but they're doing so in what appears to be a pretty powerful way.

Basically, the warder spends at least half of her time as a buff-bot, using the Encouraging Roar maneuver to give all allies +2 to attack and damage rolls, then using her standard to regain that maneuver.

What do you think? Overpowered? Balanced? I'm not going to take it away, since the party enjoys it and that's what matters. Still, that damage increase on the alchemist's bombs is potent at level 1 and 2.

>>49230687

Maybe not attractiveness, but yes, having tits is key to bustiness.

>>49233047
Sounds like we need to bust your preconceived notions.

>>49233019
The warder was kinda dumb; if they'd taken the community-minded trait that 1rd roar would become three rounds, which is a pretty damn nice buff.

PoW is naturally more powerful than the majority of the older martials: It's not so different in damage; martials can always do good damage, but it offers all sorts of extras like what you've experienced WITHOUT murdering the damage - which is what tended to happen before PoW. You'd be paying very very heavily for becoming a "hybrid damage/anythingelse" whereas full casters were multiple things at once all just as good.

What's the rest of the party?

>>49233019
So she's using her full round to give the party a +2 on attack and damage? You realize a bard can give a +1 with a free action to maintain right? Considering what else she could be doing, that's underpowered.

>>49233089
Crypt Breaker Alchemist, Kinslayer Inquisitor, and a Hunter.

>>49233124
I dunno about the kinslayer but for the most part it should be on par with the rest so long as the other players understand their own damn class.

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So I'm running a campaign using the Automatic Bonus Progression and allowing very few items, none of which provide numeric bonuses but can cover utility and maybe make more interesting combat options.

One idea I'm pondering is a giant sword, probably the Fullblade from 3.5, that is automatically used as if with the best version of Vital Strike the wielder's BAB would allow. This effect is innate to the sword rather than any type of action, so it works on a charge, spring attack, power attack or cleave. Does this seem like a decent item if it's intended as the only magic weapon a PC is likely to get?

For comparison, I'm also planning a flaming sword that sets targets on fire with a stacking 1d6 fire damage per hit

Reasonably speaking, are there any spells in the Druid or Witch spell lists to justify taking Expanded Spell Kenning as a Skald?

Because I haven't actually taken Weapon Focus: Greataxe and it's the only feat in the progression that I can see as worth trading out.

As it is, the spell I see myself using the most that I don't already have is Greater Magic Weapon

>>49233019
Let me get this straight. Your player is sacrificing half of his combat actions actions to give out a bonus that's about twice as good as what a bard would give without sacrificing any actions?

A bard gives out a +1 attack and damage bonus every round without giving up actions. Your player is giving out a +2/+2 bonus every other round but sacrificing an action to do so.

I've seen problems with Path of War but it escapes me how what you're describing is problematic.

>>49233193
the flaming sword is still stronger because you can add 1d6 to as many attacks as you make rather than adding vital strike to a single one.

It takes gargantuan weapon level damage or greater in order to start getting good mileage out of more weapon dice.

Basically the problem has always been as such:

>Greater Vital Strike: 2d6 = 8d6+18(str)+18(PA)+5(Ench)+1d6flaming

>Full Attack: 4~5x 2d6+18(str)+18(PA)+5(Ench)+1d6flaming

>>49233282
Fullblade would be a 2d8 weapon, with two size increases you could feasibly get 4d8, which would get you up to 16d8 with the highest vital strike. That's still only 72 weapon dice damage though at BAB 16, though.

>>49233269
Remember that these increases aren't exactly linear. A weapon that adds +1 to your attacks is worth ~2000 gold. One that adds +2 is 8000. When the party has AoE attacks that fall under it, as well as high-AC enemies, it could have a lot of value.

>>49233336
Right, but how do you measure the value of a potential action? The gold that's put into it?

>>49233282
>>49233316
So it needs a slight boost to keep up then. Though the fire sword does have to deal with resistances and like Bleed the DoT isn't going to matter for a super long time.

Still, would it be enough to say that all the wielder's numeric bonuses from Strength, Specialization, APB, etc. are multiplied as many times as the weapon dice? Or should I add in an expanded crit range too?

>>49233371
I suppose damagewise, the warder could be doing 2d6, or about 7 damage per turn, if they hit (Small longbow + piercing ray stance), if they hit. With the encouraging roar, they're making their allies more likely to hit, and generally providing a similar amount of damage. Significantly more if the alchemist drops a bomb.

I guess the real value comes in how many more misses turn into hits with that +2 compared to a +1, and I just don't feel like trying to get the statistics on that.

>>49233336
Right, but remember that's +2 one round and +0 the next round. I'd rather have +1 every round than something more random like that.

Really, a bard gets to give out a +1 attack and damage buff every round and still get his actions.

Your player is giving out a total of +2 attack and +2, but this is spread over 2 rounds (for a total of +1 attack and +1 damage per round).

Literally it's the same bonus a bard gives out, but your player is sacrificing half of his actions to do it.

So are all the current Roll20 LFG's bad, or can you vouch for one or two?

I need a group!

What's the best way to build an unarmed dread?

I'm aiming for as many attacks as possible to apply devastating touch (we're still low level, and likely will be for a while), but Monk just kills my AC. The MAD is way too strong to keep up Wisdom and Dex for AC, Cha for psionics/fear, Strength for attack/damage and Con for health.

What's the recommended way to get Improved Unarmed Strike and multiple attacks without relying on wisdom/going without armor? (without dipping too far)

So how does damage against an adamantine construct work with a weapon made of adamantine?

>>49233790
Does it have DR or Hardness?

If it has DR, nothing special.

If it has Hardness, it ignores the first 20 points.

>>49230464
You do. It's part of the basic rules for polymorph spells in general. You always get all the natural attacks of whatever creature you're assuming the form of; this is true for Monstrous Physique, Beast Shape, and even Undead Anatomy (which is the wonkiest of all polymorph spells).

Does the extra hit points given to undead created in the area of a Desecrate spell last until it leaves the area or the spell duration ends, or is it permanent? If it is permanent, is there any official source I can show my DM?

>>49233790
What's their hardness?

>>49233823
Nope, it doesn't ignore the first 20 points. It ignores hardness less than 20. As soon as something has 20 hardness adamantine weapons do jack.

>>49233823
>>49233851
I probably should reiterate that. What I meant with the question was whether making a construct monster (ie Clockwork Soldier) out of adamantine would affect its DR or something.

Can you even give construct monsters hardness?

>>49233902
Anything can have hardness, it's just very difficult to obtain for most non objects.

>>49233564
You're misunderstanding. It's +2 every round. They use the maneuver, then use their standard to regain the maneuver for next round. It's only a full round to regain all maneuvers.

>>49234227
Dude, my standard is a boost-laden Strike. With a Move action, I give every ally in 30ft an increasingly fat set of buffs. In a few levels, I'll also have an additional new kind of buff I can stack atop that fired off as part of activating a strike, and later still also as part (separately) of activating my boost. That +2 every round is nothing compared to my buffs and I still fucking get my main actions.

That's just mystic>animus adept. A warder as a buffer is a waste of half the warder's capabilities, and is in no way problematic. a GOOD warder is looking at a couple of levels in and thinking to himself "I will counter everything against everyone in 60ft all fucking round X/day"

>>49234280
Keep in mind that only one in ten pathfinder groups will get past level 4.

So I'm setting up a campaign and there are two players that I have a bit of a problem with.

They think that Pathfinder's Occult Adventures content is overpowered.

So if anyone has any ideas for what kind of OA-related shit I can throw at them to show how it isn't overpowered, that'd be great.

Setting's Golarion's Mana Wastes, going to be running a module as part of the campaign.

>>49234377
You're fucked. When someone decides some content is overpowered, they cannot be dissuaded.

>>49234377
Have local bad goings-on near Alkenstar, reveal they're the work of enemy Spiritualists.

>>49234377
>They think that Pathfinder's Occult Adventures content is overpowered.
>So if anyone has any ideas for what kind of OA-related shit I can throw at them to show how it isn't overpowered, that'd be great.

You need to get THEM to tell you why they think it's overpowered. Otherwise there's nothing you can do to correct them.

>>49234478
> Detractor A has a bit of history with his previous group (I learned this from a friend of his) where they had a power-gamer that always played Psionics (3.5e) and was an in-general asshat. That aside, A's favorite argument is to state that "using Psionics is like using Path of War, it's going to be fun for the players using it, and only those players. The other players might as well go fuck themselves."

>Detractor B's just an asshole that always argues with me, still hasn't given a real argument other than echoing anything A says.

>>49234521
Which is really, really disappointing because A's actually a pretty cool guy and one of my favorites in our group.

His personal bias against Psionics because of 3.5 is the only problem.

>>49234521
>>49234560
Sounds like Detractor A hasn't even read the Occult Adventures book. The book, other than the names of certain stuff, has absolutely nothing to do with psionics. None of the mechanics are similar. You need to get actual specifics from them.

Is there a list of useful feats somewhere? Going through the fucking mountain of feats on the SRD is killing me.

>>49234619
Depends on your class. Different class guides usually point out what feats are great for you.

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>>49230013
Anyone got a good racial stating for the Chaos Dwarves(Dawi Zharr)? I was thinking of going off of duergar (worst dwarves) stat line but was wondering if there was any better ones. all 3pp allowed.

>>49234619
Rather than paring down feats by what is good, look for guides based on what you want to do.

http://zenithgames.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-comprehensive-pathfinder-guides.html

Can the Occult Adventures classes be used without using the Occult rules?

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>>49230130
>Says my half-orc must be 'big'.

For whom?

>>49235558
UUUU

>>49235518
Considering that the classes themselves are part of the occult rules, I think you need to rephrase the question.

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Playtest update

>Scholarly Tactician's spellcasting rewritten, hopefully it all makes sense now
>11th level ability made much cooler

Now over analysis provides a lot of benefits, makes me wish it would come online sooner, might push it to 5th, make quick analysis a talent again, and move something else to 11th level.

You guys remember Owen Stephens? Y'know, the Talented Classes guy and the Weapon Master Handbook guy?

Check out his houserules https://owenkcstephens.com/2016/09/07/character-creation-rules/

>>49236340
Ew.

>>49236117
Alright, are the Occult Skill Unlocks necessary as part of using Occult Adventures classes?

The same goes for Chakras. Possession I think is easy enough to understand so that's not an issue.

At the very least, do I need to use the skill unlocks or rituals and the like to play the classes, or can I use the classes without these additional rules being necessary?

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>>49236340
No thanks.

>>49236340
Wow, these are fucking terrible.

>>49236340
>16PB
Literally why.

>>49236225
Oh, small updates

>Scholarly tactician's name changed to clever tactician
>Shadow sentinel's name changed to shadow savant

Some names on the list are probably going to be changed, that's going to be a thing that happens.

>>49236487
Because the next number up would be 32pb and that's way too powerful.

>>49236490
Why the name-changes?

>>49236590
Because the old names bothered me, and I couldn't think of new ones until now.

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>>49236490
Stealing savant from other homebrew. Shameful.

>>49236639
I needed alliteration, it is what drives me. I'll probably be switching around names a bit more though, I'm still deeply angry Paizo took Mad Scientist from me.

>>49236671
Pft, needing alliteration without going for the talented tactician or clever campaigner.

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>>49236934
...god dammit, I actually like talented tactician...gonna steal that...

>>49233845
Ok
Isn't out there other way of getting bonuses without turning into an abomination?

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>>49236988
Yay, I'm helpful!

>>49236671
>Mad Scientist
maybe call it Unethical Researcher or somethig

>>49237098
crazed chemist
absurd alchemist
loony labcoat

If you give the shaken condition to a creature several times in a turn with enforcer, do you reset the duration (1 round) or does the duration stack (p.e. if you succeed 4 times on intimidate 4 rounds)?

I know I can't make him frightened or whatever

>>49237186
>If you are successful, the target is shaken for a number of rounds equal to the damage dealt.

Whassis 1 round horseshit you're on about?

In any case, the duration resets bruv.

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>>49236671
>>49237098
>>49237127

What happens to a target that swaps with a lich that has the psychi sorc 20th level power(lets you switch minds on killing blow) what happens?

>>49230130
You backhand the child so hard her parents get disciplined and tell her that in the tribes you came from shit like that would be taken far too seriously by far too many orcs. Play it up like horror from the stories your mother told about captivity or some shit. Really just fuck up his/her perception of the sexuality of a rape child.

>>49231267
It depends on where you lay them and what she needs. Healing? O.K. Massage? O.K. Yum Yum fondle? O.K.(ish) Fishy fingers? NO.K.

>>49230130
This is why I avoid roll20, there's no guarantee other players wont be total degenerates ruining things for everyone else with their own fetishes

>>49230013
>How does your character spend their free time?

Amazo the Magician spends a great deal of time trying to figure out where all the rabbits are coming from.

Magus with a +2 scimitar here, should I spend arcane points in keen or I keep giving it +1s

>>49238165
The nice thing about using Arcane points to give it special abilities is that you don't have to chose now. Yu can choose when you are dealing with a monster. Because if said monster is vulnerable to fire, you give it flaming. If it is vulnerable to cold you give it front. If it's undead or a construct or an outsider, you give it keen to do more potential damage and get through damage reduction.

That's what you use arcane points for.

New player here looking to get into the game.

What books should I buy?

Do I need to fuck around with the grid based combat thing? What are the pros and cons of doing that vs just verbally doing combat?

Is this game good for people who like to minmax?

Thanks

Stalker here.

What stalker arts and feats sync well with a lot of Veiled Moon and Riven Hourglass maneuvers and stances?

>>49238233
Don't buy anything, combat is assumed to be happening on a grid to allow for the wizard to optimally place his encounter-destroying spells and if you're a munchkin you'll feel right at home here.

>>49238165
on 20 rolls you get 3 additional rolls without keen. If you average just the damage with the +1 you get 103-104 dmg. (46 min, 161 max)

20 rolls with keen gives you 5 additional rolls, so with average rolls, 87-88. (25 min - 150 max)

With the fact that +1 also helps to hit, I would go with +1 always, unless you really need a crit.

>>49238254
sorry, that was adjusted for the sword being non +2. I'll recrunch real quick.

>>49238233
Core, any Bestiary, PF Unchained. Everything else you can look up online effectively.

No. Pros of grid: Exact locations, little confusion. Cons: 3d is hard, having a good grid setup is hard.

Yes.

Prepare to see lots of people saying play something else.

>>49238259
Yeah, the averages still work out. With +1 you come out with 149-150 and with keen you come out to 137-138. The higher your base + though, the smaller the gap gets.

>>49238262
For the grid combat is the Pathfinder flip mat any good or should I look for something like the Chessex one?

>>49238213
I was about to correct you but I remembered undead and construct aren't immune to crits in PF. I just posted this to show how retarded I'm

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Excuse me, /pfg/.

This is slightly off-topic and I'll likely ask this exact question in the next /gdg/ thread that comes along, but it's related to Pathfinder so I'll ask it anyway.

Some friends and I have been working on some homebrew rules that ended up being pretty expansive and we made the decision to actually collect it into a single file and share with everyone instead of just keeping it in our small play group, but while we're experienced players, we're inexperienced freelance publishers.

To get to the point, what are some good options for organizing a PDF to look pleasing to the eye? How would we go about giving it the same format as typical Pathfinder splatbooks? Are there any guides you'd recommend we follow/learn from for making PDFs?

Please and thank you.

>>49238139
1) Why is a paladin not allowed to fondle a (willing) female?
2) It was healing. Literally any contact for Lay on Hands.

>>49238574
just take some pdf you like and replace the text/pictures?

>>49230013
what can i do to make a viable commoner build?

>>49238624
>>49238139
>1) Why is a paladin not allowed to fondle a (willing) female?

You're forgetting we're on a website that honestly considers touching a girl's hand some form of extreme sexual contact.

Laying your hands on the stomach or side of a female party member probably pings as the most depraved of sexual acts to the Sahara desert that is the DM's thirsty ass.

How up to date is the Trove in the OP?

>>49236340
Why would anyone want to follow that? Half of the options are stupid "well, duh" and the other half are random and arbitrary.
-A set third party books to take from (good idea for a GM to have a list from)
-No monstrous races, maybe because they can be broken for PCs and are above the 11 RP start anyways
-11 RP point buy, fine. That limits you to mainly core, but whatever.

-300 starting gold. Why? You do realize party of the starting gold is not everyone needs everything. A monk with 300 starting gold feels like a god, grabbing pretty much everything a level 1 character needs.
-No Evil or CN. Okay. Sometimes you need alignment restrictions on a campaign. To do this every campaign is stupid.
-Characters must have a back story that makes them want to help. No. One of my most fun characters was a Chosen One Paladin that just wanted to make armor and kept getting caught up in crap, forcing him to delay his Blacksmithing. He was fun.

>>49238624
It's just a hangover from the original lore of Paladins. They're supposed to be Celibate like priests, as they're effectively warrior apostles. It just depends on the god they follow otherwise.

But yeah, desire and lust are kind of bad for holy folks. Even mutual lust.

>Wake up
>Check DSP's playtest threads
>Bloodforge hasn't been updated for almost a week
>Psychic Warriors hasn't been updated since August
>The only dev post in the Psychic Warriors thread for the past 8 days is Forrest, who's just passing through
>No update on the Psicrystals playtest
>No update on the PoW errata

Was Forrest the only reason DSP functioned at all or something? Good god, people. Him quitting is the worst thing to happen to DSP since they hired Ssalarn.

>>49238897
Yeah, they worked the poor thing sick.

>>49238823
>But yeah, desire and lust are kind of bad for holy folks. Even mutual lust.
In Christian mythology, maybe. In Pathfinder, not so much.

>Invited to a game
>DM "You can pick whatever you like from these 7 books"
>Kay, pick whatever I like
>DM "Nah, I don't allow that"
>...kay, pick whatever I like that isn't what I already picked
>DM "Nah, I don't allow that either"
>Rinse and reapeat a couple of times more
>...what do you really allow?
>DM "Pick whatever you like from these 7 books, bro, aint that hard"
>Go fuck yourself, bro, aint that hard. Bye
And now he tries to swift the blame for why the game is permanently on stop

>>49238908
I can see why he's spending his time just doing homebrew then.

>>49238897
Psicrystal playtest ended, anon.
It was a rush job that from what I can tell the DSP members that post here had nothing to do with.

>>49239095
Oh, huh.

We're starting our first pf session in a week or so, only our dm has played some games. I know the mechanics and read through the pdfs.
I will be the only player who is not physically present. In a fantasy universe, what's a realistic character for me? I want something that is remotely controlled like a necromancer or warlock with a creature representing him in the group. Or a robot. Can I be a robot?

>>49239733
>I will be the only player who is not physically present
How will that even work?

Also what level do you start at? If its 8 or later, you could be an Alchemist (Clone Master).

>>49238823
No, that's always been a "for those beneath us" rule.

Cardinals had mistresses and children - religious celibacy was for a long time against marriage not against everything else. Marriage of course being a POLITICAL and FINANCIAL act; you sealed contracts by marrying you and the other guy's children or the such after all.

The proscriptions against shit like sex, happiness, etc have always been a systematic "to be more special than the other guy" affair. >YOU cannot fondle children, because that's for the rabbi in the purification baths.
>YOU do not DESERVE the wonders of butt sex, because if you worthless cattle are allowed it, that makes the minister and the bishop no better than you filthy fucking animals.
>YOU must beg forgiveness and loathe yourself forever for the act of masturbating on top of a moving bus every night of the full moon onto unsuspecting people on the sidewalk because if anyone else were to think their souls aren't damned for eternity, then WHAT THE FUCK HAS ALL YOUR EFFORT AND INFLUENCE BEEN FOR?

>>49230682
Lini Moonpie Fluffpaw

Gnomish Lunar Oracle

>>49239733
AFAIK you can't do that.
Being a character capable of doing that would put you a couple of power-levels above the rest of the party, since summoning usually creates weaker creatures than you are, by a sizable margin.

You could maybe be the cohort of some better character, but then again, you won't control the better character.

You could also play a warforged, which is essentially a robot.

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What's up fuckbois
How is that core rulebook treating you?

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>>49240700
Hey, Sean, look

>>49240744
That isn't impressive. Even I can pop a balloon.

>>49240777
He's doing it with a needle though a pane of glass.

Try again, sir.

>>49240799
Nah, monks ain't proficient in needles, and with their low BAB that ain't happenin'

>>49240799

Not who you were replying to, but in his defense it's a bitch to see there's any glass there at all. That said, holy fuck that's a cool gif. Throwing needles are fucking rad.

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>>49240808
>Playing chained monk.

>>49240825
>Playing an unchained monk from the CRB

>>49240808
Learn to build monks newfag

>>49240245
I am only concerned with the character background. I want to use the fact that I use skype to join the game as an aspect of my character.

>>49240851
Why would I want to build a CRB monk when I could build literally anything else?

>>49240821
Actually, you can see the broken glass after the balloon has popped

>>49238650
chicken infested + spell component pouch

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>>49241003
Nothing is more terrifying than combat-trained chickens.

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>>49241061
A pile of dead chickens.

What are the best necromancy spells at 0, 1, and second level? All sources, all spell lists.

>>49241267
Sotto Voce, Ray of Decay, Ray of Exhaustion, Aura of Doom.

>>49238096
can't but agree with this one

I'm joining a reign of winter campaign halfway though. I want to play a gunslinger.

DM said that revolvers are ok.

How do I do this?

>>49241628
Rapid reload for free action reloading. If you're at tiefling you can get a prehensile tail to dual-wield revolvers and still be able to reload.

>>49238096
You know, as twisted a magical realm player as I am, I would actually back this idea one hundred percent just to see how she reacts to your reaction. I think it would be pure gold.

>>49241692
Thanks. I wanted to play a human though.

I want to play Roland actually...

>>49241722
Then if you want to dual-wield you'll need a two level dip into Juggler Bard.

>>49241413
Child touch and Spectral Hand also go on this list - if you can't do anything else, you can do unsaveable damage and potentially drain strength, as well as frighten undead, all from a nice long distance.

>>49241722
Pistolero archetype.

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>>49241743
>Child touch
That's a big no-no.

>>49241722
Pistolero archetype, and take either VMC Bard for Bardic Knowledge, Inspire Courage, and Inspire Competence; or take VMC Inquisitor for the Judgements and Stern Gaze abilities; OR VMC Oracle of Battle, with the lame (one-hand) curse.

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>>49230682
>coolest
All of my characters are lame assholes because I build their personalities around my own insecurities to make them easier to roleplay and more genuinely flawed.

>>49241743
>>49241763
Chill touch. My bad.

>>49241722
>>49241732
Alternatively, get the Gun Twirling feat. Granted, you'd need Weapon Focus, Dazzling Display, Gun Twirling itself, Quick Draw, and Rapid Reload.

Not particularly practical.

If you're not married to Gunslinger as a class, Fighter (Trench Fighter) will get you dex-to-damage at level 3. Between your level 1 feat, your human feat, and the bonus feats at 1st and 2nd, you'd be able to fit all of the above into your build by level 3.

A one-level dip into Gunslinger for Quick Clear and Gunsmithing is probably advisable (especially since RAW Trench Fighters don't actually gain firearm proficiency).

Afterwards, take your levels in something else, or you could just stick to Fighter. If you do that, though, I suggest picking up another archetype alongside Trench Fighter. Eldritch Guardian is pretty neat, and if your DM counts proficiency with firearms as a feat, you could have a familiar with firearm proficiency.

>>49241413
>>49241743
Thanks, I'll add those to the list.

>>49241732
>>49241750
>>49241825
Thanks!

I was thinking of going to fighter after I get my 5th level in gunslinger, or hell I might just go with trench fighter instead of the gunslinger class at all if the DM allows it. Is this a good idea? THe gunslinger class seems to offer a lot of strange things that don't seem very usefull.

>>49241892
>Is this a good idea?

It would be better, yeah.

Default gunslinger doesn't get anything really worthwhile after level 5.

Even if your GM says that Trench Fighters don't get firearm proficiency (since they don't by RAW), Gunslinger 1/Trench Fighter 3 gets you Dex-to-damage one level sooner (in addition to having an extra feat).

The singleclassed gunslinger 4 would have an extra point of reflex, plus the Gunslinger Initiative, Pistol Whip, and Utility Shot deeds. The latter two aren't particularly useful, and the former, while nice, you can replicate by taking ImpInit with your extra feat. Gunslinger 5 would get dex-to-damage, but at that point the multiclassed character could take another class entirely (or continue as a Trench Fighter and get another feat).

Inquisitor, being Wisdom-based, is a good class to jump into. If you do >>49241870 then Ranger might also be helpful, for the Archery combat style feats (since you'll be pretty behind feat-wise).

>>49241732
>>49241870

A two level dip into Alchemist for Vestigial Arm works too, and it also gets you +4 Dex for 20 minutes a day via Mutagen.

>>49241870
Maverick Gunslinger arechetype gets Dazzling Display with any firearm for free.

>>49242093
>>49241870
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/gunslinger/archetypes/paizo---gunslinger-archetypes/maverick-gunslinger-archetype

>>49242207
>>49242225
You still need Weapon Focus for Gun Twirling, but that does help.

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Heyo. Added a presumably final but I've been wrong before update to the Spellburst Savant, including some more typo fixes and a couple new things.

>Bullet Storm now an ACF again after realizing that I don't think two shots of 1d8+Wis at level 1 is something I want.
>Three new ACFs added, including some stuff for Blockade use, and a divine-themed one similar to the witch one.
>Bookmarks fixed from last time, since they were screwed up
>And, importantly, I realized I could be using a google docs link for this and updating it there.

The share link is in the PDF itself, as well as here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_hTbIXYbKJbS0VOT2dlTEhoWmM/view?usp=sharing

This link will always have the most up-to-date version. We're up to 29.

>>49241220
So that's how you stat Saitama in 3.5

>>49242380
Only increases strength, not AC. I don't believe there's a 1pp way in 3.PF to get strength to AC.

>>49238897
We /are/ still working on Bloodforge/PsiWar/Errata, we've just been handling some other things that have made us a bit quieter than usual. Notably, Psybomb's getting settled into Korea, I've been handling IRL stuff, Chris has likewise been busy, etc, so forth.

Hang in there, anon. We haven't left.

Does anyone happen to have a download of Rank and File Games' Arte Mortis? I've searched through both troves and still can't find it.

>>49242603
Seconding

Is there any way to retrain stats?
I had an idea to have a Half-Orc Magus that found an intelligent Elvan Blade, teaching him how to fight gracefully and elegantly rather than with brute force.

This would require him slowly losing his Str in order to gain in Dex. I don't want to start the game with a lox Dex score and end with a low Dex score.

Do you lot have a place where you pull game maps from?
I am looking for some inspiration for forts and town areas.

>>49242860
Are you the GM? if yes then you can do whatever the fuck you want. If not then there is no way to my knowledge.

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>>49242277
Not quite sure Wave Motion Strike worth it. 3 feats so it's not like it's consolidating or saving on the Vital chain, and Vital Strike's so damn far behind that adding what, maybe 40d4+40 at 20th? is actually not too impressive. you could instead have nova'd a spell-strike from various methods/sources, or get even more multiples of god-finger from a full attack if you go meditant.

But the most damning sin of all... MELEE? No Gunwitch compatibility? No loading it on a crossbow, not even a conductive one? No putting your entire ship's spinal mount into it?

SHAME! SHAAAAAME!!!

>>49242884
Not GM. Wanted to try to do it with in-game rules before asking for GM to break the rulebook.

>>49242888
Well it could be empowered/maximized if it's nova'd, so technically it could be 35d4+85. That's 172 average, with the weapon in addition. With a 6d6 weapon VS'd that's an additional average 84 damage, plus the base bonuses, let's say +30. Your single melee hit could be looking in the vicinity of about 286... This would be enough to take out a CR-2 every round, which is good for a ranged secondary attacker.

However it falls a bit short due to being a primary melee damage dealer in this case, and the wide spread of resists+immunities+DR+Hardness - all of which can separately apply due to being a multi-stage multi-damage effect could lower this further.

It's probably... about 25% from where it ought to be for single target devastation.

One of my campaigns is ending and I wanted to try and play an archer since I have yet. What is the best class/archetype for this?

Bolt Ace, Zen Archer Monk, Warlord/Stalker with the ranged maneuvers?

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>>49242963
SORRY. MY BAD. That's CR-3 not -2 that it's taking out.

Needs about 30% more total value for that to be a valid build, and that did assume a 6d6 weapon.

Alternatively, it's maybe 10% high for the ballpark of AoE, which, well... I mean the name....

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>>49242972
Depends.
Are we talking robin hood
Are we talking "archer as in any sort of ranged damage dealer"
Are we talking Highway to the Danger Zone?

>>49243040
I was thinking just any ranged damage dealer that wasn't magic.

But now... Highway to the Danger Zone sounds fun. I'll take the best for either option?

>>49238522
Wait?! Undead and Constructs aren't immune to crits anymore? FUCK MY GM! son of a bitch, he fucking denied every crit ever in this heavy undead&construct campaign we're playing

>>49243092
So, Archer the ranged damage dealer then?

Well, you need to decide guns or anything else first. The main reason here is "vs Touch": a BAB 15 is perfectly fucking happy with a firearm, but give him a crossbow and he's fucked (bows are happy what with way more bonuses than any other ranged weapon they can still hit plenty).

If you want a bow user, all you need's an adaptive longbow, and I'd suggest Hawkguard Warder (and don't forget to enchant that buckler. that shit will add up!) and all you need, being a bowman, is the feat chain to Manyshot, and of course deadly aim. It's all smooth sailing with any BAB 20 class and a bow this way, but the warder gets to not-provoke when firing much earlier than most, and can use counters at long range for its buddies which is awesome.

Firearms compensate for bad to-hits, but they're full of severe flaws you need to bypass in some way. If you want high-tech your easiest method is usually the Warsoul's Discipline Weapon Shapes (laser rifles are a firearm, and you're just one 'group adaptation' feat from heavy weapons being ALL your disciplines discipline weapons) which won't have to deal with charges, but there's many other options.

A stalker can get the crit value ridiculous, and then you go and get those high 6/7th level maneuvers in Tempest Gale and Solar Wind that ensure a threat. You might be dealing x5 or even x6 crits.

Aegis doesn't get + to hit, but it gets size increases real easy and is versatile as fuck. This makes it an unbelievable support for big guns, easily sending you into the 6+ damage dice territories with little to no thought.

>>49242972
Are you looking for just high DPR from range with a full round or are you looking for more utility?

>>49243187
Well maybe your fucking elves should stop saying they get by with 4 hours of trancing.

>>49243092
Slayer is good if going purely mundane non-PoW, especially since they can take stuff to gain Ranger Combat Feats.

>>49243274
I don't play elves, maybe half-elves, and the rest of my group they even hate them. So, no.

>>49243225
>>49243228
Just damage. I don't care to use guns. We have a gunslinger that is largely useless in one of my current campaigns because of the number of times he rolls 1s then has to get his gun cleared.

I just want a fun bow or crossbow user. The Aegis sounds broken. I want to know how to do that type of crazy damage.

>>49243225
well crossbows are not meant to be good weapons anyway

>>49243354
Paladin with bows tends to be pretty high DPR if smiting, but then it'll depend on campaign.

Eldritch Archer Magus has nice burst I think? I haven't really looked at it.

There's always psychic armory soulknife

Genuine question:

Why do you play Pathfinder? Why not 5e or some other system?

>>49243410
Depth of character creation/options as well as prevalence for finding games

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>>49243410
pic related
Also because its hard to find 5e games and it hasn't got as much content yet, and regrettably Chargen minigame is a weakness of mine.

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>>49243410
Because my local circle of people chose it once and we never try anything else

>>49243410
More long-term campaign intrigue is available in a huge library of character options and a more stratified level scale. Keeping track of every little modifier and squeezing out bonuses when you need them provides another game layer of management that can keep players engaged and invested.
I run 5e for shorter games.

>>49243410
I play many things, including 5e. 3.5 just happens to be what I started with and have the widest breadth of knowledge, which extends to Pathfinder. In my case, whether or not the system is shit has nothing to do with it.

>>49243410
Because 5e is halfassed and boring. As bad as Pathfinder is, it's still the better of the two games people actually play.

>>49243410
Because 5e has no content and no subsystems for logical scenarios.

>"I hit him with the sharp end of my sword"
>"Do you do lethal or nonlethal damage?"

>>49243488
>it's still the better of the two games people actually play.
debatable. Yeah, it has more options and support, but most of those options are pointless and shit, and the core balance is a mess.

Really, the only reason why 5e isn't too great is because it just doesn't have as much content and not as robust of a 3pp industry/community. If someone were to go full ham on the system, or if Hasbro and Wizards weren't such boring morons, then itd be much more popular and won't have to die the same ignoble death 4e did.

>>49243410
It's easy to find games. I can walk into any game shop in my city, assuming it has customers at all, and find a game that'll be going on sometime. I mean, with a lot of the games I want to play more, I can't even find anyone who knows about the game. I wish I could play Eclipse Phase or Tenra Banshou Zero more often. Guess how many people even know about those in my entire city. Two. Me and my brother who has to deal with me telling him about setting details and stuff because we room together.

Plus, breadth of content. I'd like to play more 5e games, but I've run out of stuff to play with. It's been how many years and Wizards has basically piddled about making awful Forgotten Realms content.

>>49243410
Because my group is comfortable with it and understand it well and haven't had any problems big enough that would make us ditch it.

We also play other systems but pathfinder is our standard.

We are a more silly group though and things get hand waved at varying amounts depending on current DM,

tldr we are dumb, lazy and having fun so fuck off

>>49243410
I play 5e as well, and it's boring. No tactical aspects, incomplete rules, and classes that shoehorn you. The vancian casting is improved, but for a game published in the 21st century, it feels old.

>>49243410
Because if I try to get players for a Runequest campaign, I get maybe 2 half-assed replies. At least with Pathfinder I'm virtually guaranteed to get enough people to run a campaign even if someone drops out. And there are still houserules and houserule combinations I'd like to try out.

>>49243354
Aegis isn't broken, but rather it fills in a lot of holes, and if focused on offers a very different path to high damage. it doesn't offer any to-hit on its own; no weapon training, no favored weapon, and thus also no dueling gloves for an extra +2 on the bonus. It doesn't really offer static damage either.

It just... makes the weapon BIG.

>>49243410
Because 5e attracts people who don't want to play a system with any rules&faggots who want to shove every old edition into the new one for some retarded reason, yet also ignore the rules that made said editions
it's complicated, but let's just say I've never had a good 5e experence so it's subjective and leave it at that.

Shadowrun has so much and nobody really desires to learn it, so it ends up being done half-assed at best, and just shit at worst.

Other systems suffer somewhat from the same shit the other two do, but mixed, and with issues of their own. Pathfinder is simple enough to accept people who want it (it's basic fantasy but also is full of tropes you can run with) and also complicated/strict enough that it doesn't attract as many retards as other systems.

>>49243410
I know the rules for PF, my friends know the rules for PF. I like legos. I actually may be playing in a 5E game soon, and I don't have issues with it. If I get a group with new players interested in DnD I'll probably run 5e instead.

>>49243410
I do play 5e, and I love every moment. But I also play Pathfinder, because my friends prefer it for some ungodly reason.

Hey have you ever been the odd guy out?
Everyone else has some shit to do or is refusing to bring your character along because of backstabbing the party reasons and you're just sitting quietly for over an hour?

Then when you finally get your turn you get slapped in the face with "no you can't have that thing you want because its expensive."

What should I do?

>>49243410
It's the only system my GM will run, he genuinely loves the system. I couldn't tell you why.

>>49243823
kill your dm or yourself. Also what do you expect if you backstabbed the party. We need more details to tell you what to do.

>>49243823
I'm going to need a better explanation of that.

>>49243538
5e isn't OGL.

It's fucked from the start.

>>49243900
Nah, that doesn't follow.

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So, update from my end folks. Been grappling with terrible writer's block lately, and after long periods of time staring at blank documents and hating myself, I decided that sanity is for the weak and wrote a base class to try and break my way through it.

And now the bossman has an interest in that class, so I'm announcing the beginning of formal playtesting for the Malefex, hopefully to see an October release!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W3LrE8WyIxxYRr8d9dHsWioeUk_-HZaSMqVWRnzc9Fc/edit?usp=sharing

Malefexes are curse-themed skillmonkeys with a strong 'street smarts' subtheme. They're big on the idea of learning from experience, the competitive urge, and the connections you make with others through hostility or rivalry.

As always, this is a live document and subject to change without warning.

Still on the agenda is writing more malefactions at all levels, getting archetype ideas that I don't immediately hate, and testing some of the abilities that have proven currently controversial (including Skin Of My Teeth).

Just fuck my life, up anon. Fuck it right the fuck up.

>>49243877
What? No I'm not the backstabber.

>>49243896
Okay so we're in this place between planes and there's a bit of a political discourse going on between two factions. "The Keepers" and "The Arch Mages" We came there to warn them about one of their ancient creations coming back to this place to destroy them.

The Keepers are vampires but they're good vampires apparently..

One character is the mind controlled slut of one of their other creations and is trying to "smash her urn of creation to unleash her full power"

So, when we were sleeping one night one party member decided to go about it himself and throw himself to the Keepers saying he needed power to keep this magic floating city safe.
Not only that but he had a plot hook with seeing a spirit of his ancestor to tell him about the status of his father and fiance.

One party member is now stabbing us in the back by telling the rival faction everything... Because player above became a vampire.

Finally we have the oracle. Who is actually a good character who is empowered by a douche bag fey who surprise surprise is imprisoned underneath this floating city. Now the oracle must figure out a way to trick the party into freeing him without actually mentioning it to them. (Oracle stuff)

>>49244033
I like the picture.

>>49244033
>Per encounter

Fuck. Off.

>>49244274
D'ya care to expand on that there, anon?

>>49244274
What's wrong with encounter powers?

What is the BBEG's real motivation?

>>49244299
Fear.

Same as your motivation.

>>49244299
I've literally never had a BBEG and it irritates me

>>49244287
>>49244290
Per encounter powers vs. per day encounters means that class and it's abilities will be objectively superior to 1pp classes.

coupled with the fact that, since a large majority of encounters only last 1-3 turns means it's effectively a free ability.

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How would you go about making a class based on the death knight from wow /pfg/?

>>49244330
Not seeing a problem? Especially because most 1pp powers are per encounter abilities at above low levels.

What's the monk's role in a group? is he a striker? is he a defender? is he a controller? is he a stalker? do you think is his lack of role the actual problem on why the class sucks?

>>49244348
No, the reason the class sucked is because their abilities were conflicting and not even very good.

>>49244330
Why is that a bad thing?
>>49244033
I will say, however, that the definition of "per-encounter" needs to be better-defined, because when does one encounter end and another begin? What happens if you use it out of "combat"; do you lose access to it completely until you start a fight?

>>49244330
>objectively superior to 1pp classes.
>implying a class being 1pp makes it good or worth playing

Kill yourself, paidrone.

>>49244345
What powers would those be, anon? Last time I checked every power or spell and it's mother in 1pp are per day.

Name ten.

>>49244348
Nobody has mastery over CMB, monk is supposed to, but fails.

This is what needs fixing more than anything.

>>49244299
Depends. Which one? There are multiple, and they compete.

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>>49244370
>No one has ever played 1pp classes and no one ever will.

>>49244299
Getting all them goddamned demons off his lawn. His lawn is the Abyss.

>>49244388
the one that actually deserves the first B

>>49244373
You have far more than enough spells to be per encounter. Having enough rounds to use them for every round of every encounter practically makes them "per encounter" abilities even if they aren't called such.

>>49244391
Reading comprehension, anon, that's not what I said at all.

>>49244369
There's a definition for it in Path of War but we may need to refine it some, aye. I'll poke the team about that, see if we can word that more cleanly and then republish the errata'd sidebar on the matter with malefex.

>>49244330
The latter point is potentially true, though the meta-cursing you get later on means you may actually start to run out in a given encounter. I'll object to the first point, though. Frequency of use is only one dial on an ability's overall power; there is also, f'rinstance, its effect and the ease or difficulty with which it is resisted.

>>49244402
Back at you.

>>49244330
Yet the Kineticist, Core Rogue, Core Monk, and PRe-WMH Fighter are absolute shit

Checkmate paidrone

>>49244431
You got me, here's your (You).

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>>49244431
>literally "no u!"
4/10 paidrone shitposter

>>49244383
>Nobody has mastery over CMB
Barb adds his level once per rage to CMB
Brawler gets +1 every 4 or 5 levels
Magus can use true strike to land a nice maneuver
Monk literally gets absolutely nothing to CMB, he gets the entry feats and that's all, why do you say he's supposed to be a baster of CMB? because some archetype that gets less features for CMBs than almost any other martial?

Maybe tetori, but tetori he only gets secondary stuff like affecting ethereals and people with free movement, he still has to land the maneuver and he doesn't get much love in that.

New thread:
>>49244470
>>49244470
>>49244470

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>Mention 1pp classes to compare a 3pp class to.

>FUCK OFF PAIDRONE

What?... I'm not even fucking advocating for them, chill your damn hateboners.

>>49244033
so does this mean that with the Prohibition: Courage taboo you could make undead vulnerable to fear?

>>49244503
That's the idea, yes.

>>49244494
Here's how it actually went
>the class isn't even good compared to 1pp classes
>Implying classes are good cuz they're 1pp
>"No 1pp classes are viable!!!11!" what a batter
>reading comprehension mate
>No u

>>49244568
>putting words in my mouth
Hateboner, go away you.
I never said 1pp classes were good.

>>49244592
>hateboner in my mouth plz

ftfy

>>49244592
Never said you did either.

>>49244634
See
>>49244370
>>49244438
>>49244568

Fucking dumbass.

>>49241846
ROFL

>>49244336
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/alternate-classes/antipaladin/archetypes/paizo---antipaladin-archetypes/knight-of-the-sepulcher

>Never play pathfinder because of 3.x PTSD and preference for rules-light shit anyways
>Friend invites me to a pathfinder game he's setting up
>Uses 'spheres of power' variant spellcasting
>Build what's essentially a barbarian with fewer rage uses and near-permanent fast healing 3
>He's running an adventure path
How fucked is this game?

Has the PDF for Soulknife 3 got leaked yet

>>49245821
Not that fucked actually. SoP is better than base casting for the kind of games Pathfinder encourages.

I'm playing a paranoid paladin and just found out that a party member is evil. I found this out out of character. My character was planning on smacking someone with smite evil to discern their alignment. I don't normally have detect evil cause of the archetype and I was wondering if A) The ring of mind shielding would protect against that ( My guess is no) and B) Does this seem unfair. I was playing the paladin before he made the evil character and he would not allow any "Taint" in his flock of sheep.

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>>49246134
>Has the PDF for Soulknife 3 got leaked yet
I have it, but I don't wanna share because I'm mean like that.