Warhammer Fantasy Battle Thread

>>49170802
>HERR

kek

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New settlers came to your hold, you see this dawi, what to to do?

>>49170926
How exactly does Malekith have sex while sealed in that armor? Does morathi cast a glamour around him so he doesn't look gross and scarred?

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>>49171105
codpiece

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>>49171105
He has detachable codpiece.

>>49170941

Give him a fucking proper weapon like an axe and tell him to have a nice fucking day. Or night. Whatever, no judgements.

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>>49170749
>Lets assist the Westerland against Vampire scum
>find out Vlad has 63k troops under his command

CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

>>49171369
>Best CK2 Mod

>>49171486
on 2.4.5 of the game it was, now it's just an imbalanced mess.

Vlad bloated in all the empire within 5 years on each of my playthroughs, the AI always aims to fuck you up no matter what, and Levies are fucking tiny, and faction that uses events to spawn it's troops fucks your shit up royally.

>>49171726
Gotta play the von Bildhofen dynasty and birth Magnus into glory. You're fucking up if you don't know that.

>>49170801
Given that there was no choice over 50%, are we gonna Parliamentary Coalition this and add stuff from the top two choices, or is it simple majority?

>>49172033
there isn't a lot to coalition the two top choices.

I fear we'll have to take the simple majority and work any necessary changes into the chosen version.

>>49172033
Steps to Magnus:

1. Start as Nuln-dude.

2. Land a houseless nobleman. He will be the first of the "von Bildhofen" family.

3. Save game.

4. Quit game.

5. Load Nuln game as von Bildhofen character.

6. ???

7. Profit and reunify the Empire in a few generations as MAGNUS THE PIOUS.

>>49170749
What vidya is that in the corner??

>>49171726
>Vlad bloated in all the empire within 5 years on each of my playthroughs,

Story time? Tell us more. I've never played it because I can't find a fucking download of the mod that doesn't require an account.

>>49172791
romance of three kingdoms 11

>>49172924
sorry it's almost 3am, not today.

>>49172432
good luck going against Vlads rape machine with some bumfuck count.

>>49173891
You take over Wissenland first. Not entirely lore friendly for Magnus, but it's a way to get in the game

>>49174087
so you have wissenland, granted you can get anywhere at all as a count before your liege has you disposed for various reasons or Vlad has already taken over the whole empire.

what's next, with wissenland, you get about 4-6k levies, at best, what's your next step? take over reikland? fat chance at that.

>>49174242
Fat chance? Try it!

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>“To think, I once thought you might do that yourself,’ Sigmar said. Archaon hesitated. Sigmar smiled sadly. ‘Diederick Kastner, son of a daughter of the Empire. You could have been the sword that swept my land free of Chaos forever. In a better world, perhaps you have. But here and now, you are nothing more than another petty warlord.”

Earlier in the book Valten tells Archaon that Ghal Maraz was meant for him. What if Be'lakor didn't have retarded retconing powers? What if Diedrick Kastner actually became the savior of the empire? What would such a world look like?

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>>49174664
He wouldn't be a match to Karl.

>>49174664
This is why I like the idea of Sigmar defeating Archaon. The verminlord killsteal never fit the mood of the story.

Nor did Grimgor's bitchslap. While funny, it was simply a concession to the fact that Games Workshop based Storm of Chaos on reported-player battles and everything had gone nuts and Chaos had performed incredibly poorly.

>>49174981
Grimgor should have handled the dorfs and skaven.

>>49175552
Don't get me wrong. The idea of Archaon and Grimgor fighting isn't bad, in and of itself. It's just incredibly off-putting coming after an epic duel with Valten and Luthor Huss.

Funny? Yes. But I much would have preferred a challenge between Archaon and Grimgor one-on-one. Of course, this would force Games Workshop to decide who's the better fighter (which they are loathe to do, loving to say both of them are the BEST AND MOST DEADLIEST FIGHTER EVER and then never having them meet on equal footing).

Anyway, I think it's far more fitting for Archaon's fate for him to fight and be put down by a humble blacksmith's son from Reikland. Diedrick Kastner, himself an orphan who found purpose and glory as a Templar of Sigmar and ultimately turned from his fate because of hubris and shame and a sudden (if decidedly stupid and seemingly driven by arrogance and fear of impurity) crisis of faith... undone by a blacksmith's boy with a fancy hammer and a deep love for his people.

>>49175686
I feel that Chaos should have turned upon itself towards the end and all the best champions all decide they are hot shit and split off leaving Archaon's army crippled. Hubris. Archaon then, no matter how many gifts he has, is overwhelmed and finally laid low. Meanwhile, Grimgor pushes the dorfs back and decimates the skaven that try to move in, then moves over the mountains and is stonewalled by the vampires. Said vampires find the Empire knocking on the other side and they fizzle out. Grimgor is crippled by a decisive and lucky strike which renders his fighting ability much reduced. He is forced to retreat and all these warbosses see he is weak and challenge him time and again, he slays them all until he dies of exhaustion and the WAAAAAAGGGHHH! collapses into infighting over leadership and finally disperses.

So, Luthor Huss is Grand Theogonist in Endhammer (presumably because Volkmar's dead and the Arch Lector who wanted him excommunicated is probably dead too, and Huss is the only Sigmarite left of note). But did he get attacked by the vampires? Is there any sign of this? What's he been up to? How's he taking Valten's death?

Does he get new rules/stats as Grand Theo? What's he doing for Luitpold?

>>49174747
Assuming Kastner doesn't take something like 200 years to realize his role as the Champion of Sigmar, he'd probably have fixed everything long before Karl Franz was born. Karl would have inherited an empire free of chaos cults, the beastmen of the forests would be broken, and there wouldn't be the looming threat of an imminent chaos invasion from the north. the empire could focus its might on either expanding, helping the dwarfs with the skaven problem, or cleansing sylvania.
Not grimderp enough. 3/10 would not play

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>>49175686
Valten makes for a pretty good hero character, and I really don't feel like he got the spotlight he deserved.

In some ways he's classic - from humble origins and all the goodness that entails, hoisted up into a destiny far larger than himself, but he takes to it with a will. It's kind of like Percival from Arthurian myth, only in this case he has a more obvious antithesis - that being Archaon.

>>49176165
I fucked up his armor and painted it gold on my model. :(

I will say I'm amenable to him being a 'king under the mountain' sort of character in Endhammer, though I feel like he's the kind of character who, once the great evil is defeated, should die as well. Perhaps more should be written for his epic duel with Archaon in Endhammer, as well as his death and all the survivors of Endhammer who witness it.

Speaking of, seeing as the Battle of Middenheim ends in Empire victory, which of our heroes lives and dies? I'm assuming Gregor Martak lives (given that he died after absorbing Ulric, which doesn't happen in Endhammer). In which case, this sets him up for a magic duel with Gelt at some point.

>>49175686
>just a boy with a fancy hammer
The kid was beating plague bearers to death with his bare hands and managed to hold out against a greater daemon alongside Vlad, one of the best duelists in the setting. He may have had humble origins but it's pretty clear he was the closest thing Sigmar had to a greater daemon/chaos lord and not just some normal dude

>>49176323
In wich book that described?

>>49176233
The artists couldnt decide on whether he was Blond with golden armor or dark haired with silver armor. Most SoC art has him as the later, while endtimes has him in golden armor and with flaxen hair

>>49176689
ET Nagash during the defence of the Auric Bastion. Valten shows up with normal blacksmith hammers that he able to infuse with his own power. After these break he goes around punching his way through the daemon hirde before looking at the GUO and realizing he might need a better weapon to harm it. Vlad indirectly gives him one of the slain Elector counts rune fangs, then the 2 of them fight to drive the greater daemon back into the breach in the bastion

>>49176801
This is dumb. Back to Storm of Chaos.

Man is Vlad as utterly broken in the tabletop, as Total War Warhammer? Not only is he a wrecking ball, The guy is some kind of tactical genius....

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>>49177523
t. mannlet

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>>49174747
>tfw karl franz literally died for our sins

>>49177523
Nah. CA overpowered him for the memes. Just download the "better guns" mod (which makes them slower to reload, but longer range and better armor piercing), grab a pair of gunners or thunderers, and focus them on Vlad.

Turns out vampires have three weaknesses: sunlight, silver, and large amounts of fast-moving lead.

>>49177815
>not just taking a unit of cannons and sniping the leaders holding the VC armies together

>>49177033
In SoC he beat 100 beastmen using only blacksmith hammers, took a cleaver to the stomach that should have killed him, then beat the beastlord singlehandedly. Valten was always closer to men like Sigmar or Gilles, he was never "muh normal dudes" in either timeline. And if you think his stat line in SoC is supposed to represent a normal man, then I'll have what you're smoking.

>>49177796
His body lives.

>>49177902
I prefer the SoC storyline to the dumb End Times "lol, vlad gives him a runefang and he fights at the auric bastion"

>>49177883
>stupidly inaccurate cannons that don't even have grapeshot

k.

>>49177939
>>>/aosg/

>>49178024
>muh Grapeshot
>why can't I use cannons in melee :(((
idiot.

>>49178024
>inaccurate
>in TW:W

Pls.

>>49178076
Grapeshot =/ cannons in melee. Da fuck are you talking about?

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>>49178050
Its like you don't want to preserve his Holswig-Schliestein lineage in former everqueen's hips.

>>49178004
I don't see how that's anymore lol than literally anything else in Warhammer lore

>lol karl gives him a hammer, the elves give him a horse, the dwarfs give him some armor and then they fight at middenheim lol"
>lol the slann tried to realign the continents and ended up destroying the dwarf empire lol
>lol Malekith didn't become king so he started a 6000 year civil war that resulted in the deaths of billions lol
>lol Settra didn't want to die so he founded the mortuary cult to bring him back lol

>>49178196
>lol the slann tried to realign the continents and ended up destroying the dwarf empire lol

Around toads, never be repose'd.

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Hey guys, been gone for a few days. Any new Endhammer stuff besides the elves?

>>49178255
I wonder how the dwarfs would react if they found out their fall was the result of he slanns failed experiment

>>49178713
Anger and blood rage, the same way they react to basically anything else bad that happens?

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>>49178177
>implying that is even remotely the same thing.

The brightest stars burn out the quickest. RIP in peace sweet emperor.

>>49178630
Nah, mate. That's been the focus. Still waiting to see some good Toom Kangz, Skaven, Dwarf, or Lizard shit.

>>49178177
Isn't that Woodelf you posted a lesbian, and more importantly, a rapist?!

>>49178177
>we get the swansong of warhammer fantasy
>all the drawfags and writefags are ded.

>>49178177
Look, I won't deny there are a lot of things about those hips that I would want to preserve. But you know it's not the same. Everything that was the old world is dead in AoS, no matter what excuse for old models they use. There's no Empire or Bretonnia or Norsca or Athel Loren or anything, and the people certainly aren't the same.

>>49174747
>dat face
>dem cheekbones
>dat posture
>dem fluffy pants

HOW CAN ELVES EVEN COMPETE?

>>49180216
Why elves? First, they are taller than him. They also look better.

>>49180292
t. finubar

>>49180361
t. buttblasted human
What an awesome, intelligent and civil way to argue.

>>49180386
I am sorry, who became the living vessel of a god and who got cuckolded and killed by 1 bloodletter again?

>>49180405
>t envious, dirty human
Can we end this shit show now?

>>49180426
>gets btfo
>"y-you are envious"
Its alright finubar, at least you still have ulthuan
oh wait.

>>49180534
>>gets btfo
No anon, you brought up Finubar for no reason other than knowing that you can shit on him. I didn't bring up elves, I also didn't bring up Finubar and won't play your childish game.

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>>49180534
>at least you still have ulthuan
>oh wait.

fuckin' savage m8

>>49180568
Finubar is also the political ruler of elvendom and supposed to be one of the greatest phoenix kings who made elves far more relevant. He is also a cuckold and got assassinated by a red dude with a trident.

>>49179196
So basically Alarielle after end times.

>>49179235
I am drawfag and i want to draw KFC, Morathi and Alarielle.

>>49178844
He will forever be alive in vidya.

>>49180652
>So basically Alarielle after end times.
what?
Also get to work.

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>>49180652
Lost pic.

>>49180631
>t. cock gobbling faggot
Again, I will not defend something that I didn't bring up. You pointed at him without him being ever part of this pointless argument and certainly not part of my "argumentation", because you were able to remember this little facet of the lore.
Do you actually get paid by Sega to shill for Karl or is it that other faggot?

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>>49170749
http://imgur.com/a/LozQk

Here's some artwork from the 1999 bret army book you guys might like.

>>49180691
>Stop shilling for Karl
>elves are superior!
>SHILL

You are the only buttmad retard here.
The last emperor of the empire leads his forces out to defend the empire and fights to the bitter end and his body is inhabited by a god

The last ruler of the high elves is killed in bed by a red devil with a curly tail and trident.

In terms of rulers the Empire >>>>>>>>>> Elves.

>>49180656
She went crazy, cut her arm and raised new Drycha from it or something while looking like slutty greek goddess.

>>49179955
I know dude.

>>49180779
>>elves are superior!
Why is your whole argumentation based on things I never said?

>You are the only buttmad retard here
You are the one with an unhealthy obsession with elves. You brought them up first. Not me. Now stop being so tsundere and take some long, gracefull elf dick in your ass to get over it.

>>49180701
>tfw artist who drew this Wayne England died this year.

>>49180857
>projecting this hard

You brought the elves are superior bullshit when all I wanted to talk about was KF's cheeks that could cut through armor.

>>49180659
pretty cool
mind if I save it?

>>49180857
>Now stop being so tsundere and take some long, gracefull elf dick in your ass to get over it.
I can deal with this.

>>49180933
Sure.

>>49180832
>She went crazy, cut her arm and raised new Drycha from it or something while looking like slutty greek goddess.

She cut her arm off to birth the Lady of Vines, not Drycha.

She had the soul seed of Drycha planted in a place of shadow and evil so that that wickedness of that place would make her the perfect weapon. The new Drycha incarnation has the fragmented memory of the old Drycha + the taint of evil of her birth place + a hurt daughters love and spite for her mother.

Basically she is now a teenager on a permanent tantrum.

>>49180958
>Basically she is now a teenager on a permanent tantrum.
yikes

Ok here's an idea for Endhammer Dwarves.

The Dwarves are, once again, rebuilding, and for once the situation is not so dire they can't make progress.
The majority of orcs and Goblins of the mountains are either dead or moved under Grimgor hen he launched the definitive WAAAAAGH! against the world, and with him either died or moved north to wreck chaos shit.
The Skaven almost managed to achieve victory, but their infighting and bickering proved once again their demise. A simple quarrel between clan skryre and clan moulder escalated to the point that the clan moulder sabotaged the skryre's doom device, blowing up half of skavenblight with it. Many skaven through the world immediately ran at their captal to fight over the spoils of clan skryre and Moulder. Thanquol, in a strange mood for common sense and cunning plans, managed to exploit the chaos to get rid of his rivals in the council of the thirteen and bribe the others so that he could reach a position of prominence inide the council.

This gave the ddwarves some breathing space and they finally managed to reorganise. First thing they did is rtake mount silverspear, in a bloody but finally successful siege. Thorgrim, now too pissed off to play games, won the day by literally annihilating the old dwarf fortress, almost levelling up the mountain with cannons to get rid of the gobbos. The plan, albeit very costly, succeded and the old fortress is back in dwarf hands.
Karak Eight Peaks is seeing some changing. With Squeek leaving to return to skavenblight, it gave more space for the goblins under skarsnik to spread out, but also gave Belegar's dwarfs new routes to seal the deepest tunnels.

>>49174747
>implying Karl Franz is even close to Settra
>taller, stronger and more handsome than KFC
>golden armor, blessed by the gods, not shitty black plate armor
>ride around in fancy magical chariot, not on oversized chicken
>nehekaran so he probably had a horse cock
>vast harem of the finest women from around the world
>most competent human leader to ever exist in the setting
>conquered much territory even though elves and dwarfs were still in golden age
>kin because he was badass, not because faggots voted him in

How does Karl Franz even compete?

>>49178050
>>>/asoiafg/

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>>49181772
>Implying Settra the Perishable could ever be as badass as PRINCE AND EMPEROR Karl Franz I
>Has actual big meaty dick and not dried chunk
>Wasn't resurrected by weakling chaos gods but by his own god
>Direct descendant of said god
>Swag as hell royal dress with regal cloak, lion heads and griffon helm
>Fashioned in spite of roman emperor, romans>>>faggot egyptians
>Has proven himself to be ruler in TWW by defeating all counts
>Pimp ass big WAR HAMMER
>His steed loves him and not queer puppet undead
>united Empire, High Elves and Dwarfs in final battle against chaos multiple times (if you include Age of Reckoning, Storm of Chaos and End Times)

How miserable skelie can even compete?

>>49174664
Diedrrick Kastner is a bitch.

>>49179196
I need sauce.

>>49182487
Echidna from Queen's blade .

>>49182500
ty

>want to field big Karl Franz in my Empire army
>don't want to buy his griffon model since I wouldn't use the griffon

life is pain when you want to defend that smile

>>49181772
>ded and rotten skelefag
>afraid of dying
>compete

>>49182565

make him commander of a steam tonk
Panzerkommandant Karl Franz

>>49170926
>>49171105
Pretty sure he's just a mommy's boy that cuddles.

>>49178177
Source on pic?

>>49182972
>>49182487

After 11 years of struggle, the Duke of Montfort was finally killed by a rag tag band of Druchii Raiders.

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Best god in the Setting, Sigmar can suck a burning member.

>>49183747
morr > khaine

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>>49183820
Morr:
>gets his realm usurped by a mortal
>can't even keep his own followers dead
>his priests are manlets crying about necromancy all day

Khaine:
>kills and maims other gods in his free time
>his priests are hot slaughter-sluts
>doesn't take shit from anyone and enslaves them to forge 100 swords for him

Khaine>Powergap>any other gods>powergap>Nagash>shit>powergap>Morrlet

>>49183920
>Khaine is actually just Khorne. Have fun with your blood god.

>>49183973
that's what chaosbabbies actually want to believe.

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>>49183973
if anything, Khorne is Khaines echo in the Warp. have fun chaocucks

What's the next vote gonna be about?

>>49180701
How would you even lance a goblin? You're already on horseback, so you're higher up, and they're much shorter than you...sure, you could awkwardly thrust your lance down, but it'd be less useful on the charge.

>>49182265
>Direct descendant of said god

This always bothered me. Didn't Sigmar not leave any heirs? I could understand Karl being a spirtual descendant, but it's bullshit to make him a literal descendant.

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>>49184766
same way you lance anything else

>>49184810
Siggy fucked a redhead into the empire.

>>49184289
We need a disagreement.

The Elves was probably the most contentious part of Endhammer. And we had an impromptu vote for the Empire Schism which ended up very heavily in pro-schism territory -- seemingly it was just one or two guys who cared enough to argue against it.

Now, hopefully, we can amicably discuss various races and should disagreements arise, vote on them.

I think someone suggested an alternative to current Endhammer canon for Dwarfs. If you like, please read that, above, then head to the Endhammer page and read that. Suggest your own ideas, tweaks, etc.

Personally, I'm in favor of the current High King Ungrim scenario

>>49185046
the first vote was Beastmen.

I guess Dwarfs could be next, but we need someone more people to make a case for it, I have no idea about dwarfs.

>>49185156
Beastmen was another old conflict of some people yelling "Furfaggot" and other yelling "no fuc u". I just didn't list it.

>>49185156
Speaking of...

Elf Guy. You gotta write up your shit and add it to the Endhammer page. Put a note in the talk/discussion page about the vote being held for the change.

>>49185307
And wherever the beast dude is who made the great write-ups using the cool font, you should add your write-ups to the Endhammer page (upload those Games Workshop-style write-ups in the Gallery).

>>49182504
Its funny. The hottest sexiest character in the show is the only canon lesbian. She makes the waifu fags cry.

>>49185903
Whyred would waifu fags cry anyway? It's not like they are ever gonna get to have sex with any fictional character ever.

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>>49185955
>It's not like they are ever gonna get to have sex with any fictional character ever.

Guys, question about bretonnia. and in general

Who does the book keeping and other bureaucratic duties?

When does the bretonnian calendar start?

Why are fields of such importance?

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How do you feel?

>>49186292
WHFB was too expensive.

>>49170941
assign him to a room with an atom crusher.

Pull the lever.

>>49186229
Clerics and scribes, like in real medieval society, would be in charge of book keeping and other bureaucratic duties.

In addition, there are some merchants.

Bretonnian calendar probably starts with Gilles founding the kingdom, like Sigmar founding the Empire.

Fields are important because, like in real medieval society, they were the primary source of food.

Most societies, until the early modern period, subsisted on almost entirely vegetarian diets with (if lucky) weekly opportunities for meat. Cattle and goats were far more valuable for their milk than for slaughter. If you were even luckier, you lived near a coast and could get more protein from fish.

(Archaeological analysis at Pompeii, specifically of the skeletons found, show very few land animals and many malnourished people -- though one of the market stalls had many fish scales and Pompeii was a coastal town)

>>49180292
>elves
>good at anything but following a cuck and getting their shit pushed in

>>49186338
Indeed, but its replacement doesn't seem to be any cheaper, if anything, it's the opposite.

People who could have soloed Archaon the Everqueer:

1.) Gotrek
2.) Abhorash

>>49186453
It's GW. What did you expect?

It's easier to get into than WHFB, though.

>>49186398
Alright. what kinds of crops do the bretonnians grow?

How well trained are their militia levies?

What do they trade with their trade partners for?

I am thinking about making a mod that allows peasant troops to be recruited from base bretonnian buildings, and barracks increase their starting experience.

>>49186477
Giles.

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>>49180534
>Its alright finubar, at least you still have ulthuan
>oh wait.

>>49183973
>Khorne condoning secrecy, plotting, sorcery

top kek m8, I don't even like Khaine besides his battle bitches and even I know you're full of shit

>>49186551
Sigmar, of course.

Grimnir himself.

>>49186292
To be fair, half of that is spent on those extremely fucking expensive as fuck Dragons and dragon cavalry who Points wise and stat wise, are like fucking Lord class heroes on their own.

>>49186525
>Alright. what kinds of crops do the bretonnians grow?

Grains and grapes, at least.

>How well trained are their militia levies?

Not very, by most accounts. Carcassonne levies tend to be better.

>What do they trade with their trade partners for?

t. Old World Armory:
>Bretonnia is equally rich in trade, producing the finest warhorses,
finished gemstones and gold, wine, brandy, and more. While
significant, most of their wealth lies in the coastal cities like
Bordeleaux, L’Anguille, and Brionne. Couronne produces wheat,
wines, and meats, and they enjoy heavy trading for luxurious silks
and spices brought from Estalia to the south.

>>49186722
Khorne doesn't condone it. In the same way that people used to talk about "the Lady" being a Khornate daemon or Khorne himself, the joke is that essentially the elves BELIEVE they are worshiping a different god, but almost everything they do in worship is actually a Khornate sacrifice.

Take 40k. In the same way that a cult can spring up on a planet and not be directed "to Khorne" or "to Slaanesh" but the various sacrifices, rituals, etc. directly benefit the gods in question. Or how, even without formal religion, Khorne benefits from any bloodshed and slaughter and Slaanesh benefits from any carnal pleasure/ecstasy.

Khaine, in turn, seems a lot like a facsimile of Tzeentch and Khorne (though mostly Khorne), meant to trick the elves.

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SETTRA SETTRA SETTRA!!!

KING OF PIMPS COMING THROUGH!!!

KANGZ IN DA HOUSE!

BEST UNDEAD, GET FUCKED LEACHES!!

>>49186808
>t. age of smegmar

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>>49186870
>leave settra to me

>>49186768
But those dragons are all monopose, which makes it worth it.

>>49186870
"I, too, once loved."

>>49186525
>>49186786

>Crops
Most definitely grain (wheat) as this was the primary source of calories for much of northern europe in medieval society. You might also see barley.

In addition, you can expect grapes (for wine). Olives in southern Bretonnia, probably. Purple carrots probably introduced from Araby into Estalia and then into Bretonnia. Celery and Cabbages. Possibly even figs and pomegranates.

>Levies
Poorly. The peasant-folk of Bretonnia suffer from inbreeding and little education. A city might be able to put up a good militia (L'Anguille is said to have a formidable contingent of sailors, for example), but the countryside could probably put together some rubbish levies.

Unlike medieval England, where the peasantfolk were REQUIRED to be armed and know how to fight (most especially with a bow), but every man would probably have a sword, as well, even if he wasn't allowed to wear it in public, Bretonnian society appears to purposefully disarm the peasants, resembling the relationship between the Warriors and the Helots in Spartan society.

>Trade
Everything you could imagine medieval France to trade.

>>49186955
bretonnian peasants are pretty good with bows, though

>>49186923
Didn't the TK have those barges that had a pyramid on the deck that shot lasers?

>>49187051
The undead fleet in Man-o-War was basically just ancient era ships with giant skulls and bones added on top.

>>49187051
That was Dreadfleet, I think.

>>49186975
They're alright.

Endhammer:

For the First Time since the Great War against Chaos, a Council of Kings has been called.

Thorgrim Grudgebearer, High King of the Dwarves, has been murdered by treacherous rakki, even after his victory over Queek Headtaker. His Age of Reckoning, marking off so many grudges, ends pitiously with his head taken as a trophy.

The Everpeak is lost. The Slayer Keep is lost. Barak Varr and Zhufbar remain a mystery and no messages have been received. Thorek Ironbrow and Belegar of Karak Eight Peaks lie dead. Many dawi lie dead between the Silver Road and Averheim, either fleeing the wreckage of the Everlasting Empire or fighting against chaos under Ungrim Ironfist.

Karak Norn and its Thane, Brokk Ironpick, bulge with the masses of dwarfish diaspora; forced to absorb refugees from Karak Azul to Karak Kadrin. But unlike the Council of Kings which brought about Thorgrim's succession, there is only one logical choice:

Ungrim Ironfist, the Slayer King.

Where gold sickness and melancholy have taken much of Dwarfkind (some even shamefully living in the open air in Nuln and Averheim), bloody vengeance is all that is on the dragonslayer's mind. He lost his keep, his people, and his son to the depredations of Chaos. He led his throng all the way from Karak Kadrin to fight at the Battle of Averheim alongside Karl Franz.

Ungrim Ironfist has no time for the tin-clogged mines of Karak Norn. He will lead a crusade of bloody vengeance to retake the Everpeak from the rakki and personally kill so many rats he will have carved a bloody legacy into their genepool.

Many Dwarves think the End Times have broken the Karaz Ankor for good. Ungrim only sees more grudges to strike.

>>49188024
>race that was perilously close to dying
>lose their major population centers
so ded dorfs?

>>49188024
shit evolution desu

It's stated by prophecy that if the throne of power is destroyed and karaz a karak is lost the race of dwarves is doomed to ecxtintion.

Both these things need to still be enduring

>>49188170
Throne of Power isn't destroyed. Thorgrim was assassinated on his balcony. It's not a wheelchair to which he is confined.

>Thanquol was killed off-screen

>Everything VerminKing warned him about was ignored

Why. Why did they not give a fuck about tying up Skaven loose ends

>>49188378
Because the whole ET was shit, shit plot, and shit writing, and so should be duly ignored.

>>49186398
That is actually canonically where their calendar starts. It's frustrating, since it means the Imperial dates and Bretonnian dates don't match, the Empire being early in 2500 while Bretonnia is in late 1500.

>>49188378
Why did Thanquol do anything right?

His whole effective team-up with Archaon was bogus. He was cursed to forever cause more harm to his allies than his enemies -- it was why the Slaan didn't kill him when he was captured. He should have fucked something up and accidentally crippled Archaon.

>>49188217
His thronebearers are supposed to carry it around after him, since whenever he sits, he's supposed to sit on his throne. That's the dwarven custom.

>>49188850
And if he goes out on his balcony to his bedroom, walking on his own two feet?

>>49188054
What if we had Ungrim already having reclaimed the Everpeak?

>>49186955
>You might also see barley.

If you do, probably the good stuff is used for porridges and breads. Bretonnian beer is supposed to be *the* byword for undrinkable pisswater, much like American beers in real life.

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Beasts of the East anon here. Found an interview with Tony Ackland from a few years ago that made mention of elephant-headed Beastmen being designed for early WHFB. Anyone have suggestions for what to name them if I throw them in? "Elegor" doesn't sound right at all.

>>49189866
Gangor?

(Also post your Beasts of the East stuff to Endhammer's gallery page)

>>49190003
dumb name desu senpai
it sounds like a disease.

>>49190232
The Beastmen are literally a cancer on the lands of Man; if anything that makes it more appropriate.

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>>49190276
no.
How about beastmen who are helpful to people because they were worshipped as chosen of the gods?

Things like elefuns and basically the more common hindu dieties mounts would be like the good guys, while the more bestial creatures and aberrations will be chaos followers?

>>49190003
Soon. I've been busy with starting classes the last week.

>>49190350
You may enjoy what I am currently writing to finish off BotE. Will post when I am done.

>>49177523
On the tabletop vampire counts are among the best fighters in game, the reliable things that can kill vald are
>A well kitted chaos type, lord, or daemon Prince of "fuck you, I'm impenetrable"
>Archaon. Ignore these wanking vladfags, archaon will kill anything he can touch
>Lead, ogre man-eaters are able to snipe him with ease, and ogres are mediocre fighters, get a shooty army like skaven and laugh-chitter as you snipe his ass-ass from across the board
>Cannons everything dies to cannons

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Updated section.

>>49184810
He impregnated queen Freya of Asoborns: KFC, Volkmar, Valten, and possibly Diedrick Kastner are his descendants.

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New section.

Anybody else sad they didn't bring back the begging defeated soldiers from Medieval 2 in Total Warhammer? I always loved hovering over the execute button and listening to manlets pleading for their lives before I clicked it and listened to them screaming before the blades fell on their necks.

>>49191964
How are Volkmar and Valten and Archaon?

>>49192308
I miss proper captures and ransoms. In Medieval, they were actually persistent. Whereas everything since Rome 2 is just "lol, do you wanna be mean and get diplo penalties or make money and get integrity penalties?"

Whereas in Medieval 2, there was actually a purpose to executions (for example, driving a weak force to just outside a city wall and then attacking again, forcing the city's defenders to come outside and help -- and then capturing them all and executing them so that the city was defenseless. Now, even if you "execute captives" you never catch them all, because the combat is buggy as shit and collisions aren't sensed and it's still half-matched-combat.)

>>49189203
Then they'd follow behind in case he wants to sit while he's on the balcony, of course.

>>49192596
I liked how in Medieval you could be generous and do nothing to the city, loot the place and make some money and kill a few folks, or execute everyone.

I think the main reason they took stuff like that out is because of how it complicated things when your dread sovereign suddenly did something noble, or vice versa. You couldn't always control what traits you got after a battle, so it was easier to make them less damaging to the overall character and their skills.

>>49193267
Honestly, I would have preferred the fucked-up trait system of Medieval 2 to simply stripping out functionality like they've been doing.

Hell, I liked family trees and trait systems in general. Made it more fun for those of us with AARs and a willingness to RP. Whereas, now, traits are incredibly limited and almost functionless.

And they're STILL random. As Ungrim and Thorgrim I have repeatedly gotten "unjust" for killing greenskin captives and looting/occupying greenskin holds. It's fucking nuts. I understood when "executing orcs" in Medieval 2 Third Age as Aragorn resulted in evil traits because the Medieval 2 system wasn't set up to handle a scenario where you wanted to execute the enemy and still be the good guy... but fuck, Warhammer should be optimized for this.

Nope. Still broken. And now with less functionality.

It's like... if you're going to make me eat a shit sandwich, don't take out the bread just because the bread kept getting soggy and falling apart. I'd like something other than the shit, even if it didn't work completely.

>>49189603
>much like American beers in real life

You know, people always say this, but American craft beer is better than anything Europe makes, and the same is true of their wine, if you go by blind taste test results.

Yes, if you drink their equivalent of a McDonald's burger, it's shit. It's also cheap.

>>49193689
>You know, people always say this, but American craft beer is better than anything Europe makes

And every time somebody points out that your beer is as shit as your choices for election this year, somebody inevitably pipes up with "muh craft breweries". They aren't as good as you think they are.

>>49193764
>Drinking fermented piss instead of glorious vodka
It's like you aren't a true son of Kislev

>>49193764
It's still better bruv

>>49192596
>Whereas in Medieval 2, there was actually a purpose to executions (for example, driving a weak force to just outside a city wall and then attacking again, forcing the city's defenders to come outside and help -- and then capturing them all and executing them so that the city was defenseless. Now, even if you "execute captives" you never catch them all, because the combat is buggy as shit and collisions aren't sensed and it's still half-matched-combat.)

>combat is buggy
>forgetting that gunpowder in medieval 2 was useless
>collision
>units collide just the same and CA just made the animations more cartoonish to keep people happy. suddenly the game simulates true mass.

>>49193267
you can still do the same in Warhammer. Occupying gives no PO problems, you can loot the city, or just sack it or move on.

>>49193495
Yeah, attila actually had a CK2 lite family system that made the game far more fun.

>>49193495
I mean, hey, I never said it wasn't fun. I liked how the voices and lines would change as the character would become more dreaded or chivalrous, and how you could tool one lord for brutally defeating your opponents and the other for chivalrous rule. And the various retainers were cute and character-building. When they dumbed it down in Empire, I didn't mind so much because they added so much in the way of other content, and getting rid of things like adoptions and family trees made sense as the rest of the game worked towards the feeling of a more modern country.

I think the big problem in Warhammer's case is that the game is explicitly made for a universe with various well-known characters. It's not like in Medieval 2, where the well-known names you start out with will eventually die and will get replaced by random descendants or adoptees. It's hard making a system that was designed for a more universal sort of setting - all the kings would behave loosely this wall, all the nobles would behave loosely that way - work with a setting that has much more varied races and individuals.

I'm hoping that it's something they'll fix as they go. They've already flavorful stuff with dwarven grudges, so it's not like they're unaware of how the universe works. They just have to bring the system they built up to speed.

>>49194547
Honestly, I think CA needs to take a note from its earlier games and program "character events" into the games. They had the Mongol and Hunnic invasions, but I mean characters appearing within -already existing- factions. It's shit-easy to deal with "Generic" characters that way (not that I think generic characters are too much of a problem -- allow for more creative AARs and "Your Dudes" moments.

For some reason, they were able to do this in Kingdoms, but ditched it from then onward. It's only a series of If/Then statements, so you wouldn't think it's that fucking difficult. And I mean fuck me... Stainless Steel got it to work for Medieval 2/Kingdoms.

If England and Scotland were at war after a certain period, William Wallace (with an army and historical character traits) would spawn in Scotland as a Scottish general.

So, let's use Warhammer. Take an example which could work in the current game. If Middenland is allied to Reikland or if Reikland controls the Middenland province and Beastmen raze Carroburg, then a Reikland hero named "Luthor Huss" spawns. Once Luthor Huss hits level 10, he can have a quest battle to find Valten.

Or, if you wanted a system with family trees and over hundreds of years...

You're playing generic Empire. Once the year hits "25-something" (whenever Karl was born) you could have "a prince is born" event, where you get a new son with proper traits, Karl-Franz. I don't know why the 'generic characters' issue should be such a problem.

>dwarfs losing Everpeak

Ehhh... I don't mind if Thorgrim dies (though I think his death should be in battle) since he's kind of boring. Ungrim Ironfist becoming High King is absolutely a good decision.

That being said, I think it'd be best for the dwarfs to lose every hold BUT Everpeak rather than lose Everpeak and keep everything else. Let the Slayer Keep fall, forcing its denizens to fight to the very end until they receive word that Everpeak is on the verge of falling. Ungrim leads his battered lot tirelessly through the Underway, fighting through legions of Skaven until they manage to lift the siege and save the day.

>>49194794
It's the same problem affecting gaming worldwide; the steady decrease of meaningful content to make room for ever-prettier graphics. That's all it is. You want good games, play indie or get a folder of mods bigger than the install size of the game. Period.

>>49191967
I think the production value is nice but I don't like the "everything was, and is, originates from chaosh" vibe it gives off.

>>49194794
William wallace spawns in Stainless steel when you take edinburgh with another doomstack. There is no fixed date to it. The guys from Stainless Steel copy pasted it wholesale onto their campaign script. If you invade scotland during the first 5 years of an early era campaign WW would spawn in with the same army that he would spawn in with even if you invade scotland in the 1500s.


Also scripted campaigns mean that the gameplay will be the same shit over and over again, they already have limited scripting in total war WH, just like they had it in attila, and in shogun 2.

You can always rename characters that you want to. The entire thing about total war warhammer is that it is supposed to be timeless. You have azhag and grimgor bumping shoulders, vlad and mannfred working together.

The long period of warhammer history really doesn't apply to it.

>>49195039
Almost everything either comes from Chaos or the Old Ones, and since this is a Beastmen faction, the former will have to do. This doesn't stop someone who wants to create a human Ind army form having (still-bound) beasts using special rules, but that is not my focus.

>>49184810
All men of the Empire are his heirs

>>49194984
>good games
>indie

I think you mean bullshit tumblrtard nonsense and pretentious gimicks from the likes of Phil Fish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5mzJ7ksVxA

>>49194810
I honestly think Thorgrim's death is suitably tragic.

He kills Queek Headtaker, avenging Belegar, and leads a great Dwarf throng to destroy the Skaven host. Then, after the victory and standing on his balcony in solitude, considering next steps... he's assassinated by clan Eshin.

But I can see not wanting the Everpeak to fall. Someone needs to do a write up for all of the logistics, though.

>>49196993
>What is Papers, Please
>What is Amnesia: The Dark Descent
>What is Dwarf Fortress
>What is Shovel Knight
>What is Undertale
>What is The Long Dark
>What is Hyper Light Drifter

I mean, to be fair, indie = good, but indie games and crowdfunded games can be good, and often unique in ways major publishers don't like.

>>49194810

It feels right that the dwarfs should be reduced to a single occupied hold.

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>>49197277
That should be indie =! good, derp.

>>49197297
Fuck off elf fag, you want the Empire gone, you want the dwarfs gone, you want everything gone except your shit and the furries in Ind.

>>49189866
What about eletaur, as in Minotaur?

>>49197553
Elephaur even?

>49197318

Not that guy (I'm the one he replied to) but I don't necessarily think what he's saying is wrong. Everpeak is the greatest of the dwarf holds. If all the other holds fell, the surviving dwarves can all flee to Everpeak and plot their Grand Reconquista from the ancient Dwarf capital city.

Everpeak is the heart of their realm. If it survives, then they are not truly lost. They can always bounce back. With ALL dwarfs living in Everpeak, the highly centralized dwarf nation will be able to field much larger armies.

However, what I'd REALLY like is for the dwarfs to still control Zhufbar and Barak Varr in addition to Karaz-a-Karak. I'm not sure if others would agree, but I think Everpeak, Zhufbar, and Barak Varr, are close enough and just enough territory to make the dwarfs feel like they've lost a lot of territory without crippling them horribly and reducing them to a single hold.

>>49197318
Get your head out of your ass, krutaz wattock. Long time dwarf player. The theme of 'Recapturing the Gold Days' has been at the heart of the Dwarfs for a long time. Forcing the dwarfs to finally accept that, 'Hey, maybe we'll never recover from this' is a great piece of character development for a rather stale faction.

>>49197553
>>49197601
As of right now I'm leaning towards Gajgor. Elephaur would work if they were closer to Minotaurs but I imagine them being closer to Cygors in stature.

Well since we're talking about dorfs, which of them should survive into endhammer?

obviously thorgrim seems to be a fan favorite for getting the axe, but what about thorek, belegar, bugman, grombrindal, gotrek, byrrnoth, etc

Would like to see the white dwarf go out in a blaze of glory, earning a significant victory for the dorfs. Bugman and gotrek should probably bite it, too.

was warmaster any good? I just got my hands on a load of 6mm fantasy stuff and I have been looking for something to do with them.

>>49198140
>axing the white dorf
heresy

>>49198140
>gotrek

My favourite Headcanon is that Gotrek still gets sent out to fight Daemons forever in Grimnir's place.

Grombrindal can never die as long as a dwarf still draws breath.

Bugman should definitely bite the bullet, along with the last of his ale.

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>>49197672
>dorfs
>accepting defeat
Absolutely disgusting, that's going in the book lad. And you call yourself a dwarf player? That's another grudge, impudent manling

>>49197277
>>49197301
It's cool. I could tell from context.

I think the Dwarf Fortress is of an older period and should be separated from the rest you listed, but otherwise I can see what you mean (even if I never got the appeal of Undertale).

I would add Sunless Sea to the list (even though I'm the guy who said indies suck).

However, I still think that the personalities of the indie scene have become dominated by talentless, hipster, SJW hack frauds.

The successful titles, of course, still rise to the top. But what gets awarded at Indiecade is far more dependent on who you know and who you cut in (and who you fuck). And who gets a ton of early press (that is, before the game is known as 'good') is largely dependent on these factors as well.

I was letting that blind me, I think -- or, more accurately, letting it obfuscate all of the indie titles I know to be good. Shovel Knight was tits.

>>49198140
I forget Byrrnoth. What'd he do in End Times?

And we can create new dwarf characters if we feel like it. Can't let the Empire have all of the fun.

White Dwarf could help Valten at Middenheim for some two-on-one action, if you want. Or maybe the White Dwarf fights the Verminlord who tries to kill-steal (though I did like the butterfly effect idea where the Golden Magus reverses time, something different happens, and the Verminlord just misses).

Gotrek should 'bite it' by taking Grimnir's place.

Bugman, Belegar, and Thorgrim ought to die. Their time's done. -- Well, actually, Belegar could just be wounded. But I figure there's room for new heroes.

Garagrim, for instance, needs new rules. Unless we are killing him off to give his father yet more reason to turn into a wrathful dwarf god. Speaking of... I laugh at the image of the slayer king confined to the Throne of Power.

>>49198827

Are you the same sort of beardless faggot who ignores perfectly functional gyrocopters and flame cannons because they haven't been around since the dawn of dwarfs?

>New dwarf characters

Fuck yes, the dwarfs need some new blood.

Any ideas?

Not sure if we want to go the route of "XYZ, son of Thorgrim" or if we're popping out completely fresh stuff

I definitely dig the idea of Valten and Grombrindal teaming up, too.

>>49199153
Could make Bardin from Vermintide a minor hero unit.

>>49199153

How weird do people want to go with it? I've seen a Chaos Dwarf space program and a Dwarf Engineer develop an underwater mining colony in games I've played in.

>>49198828
Grimm Burlokson deserves a promotion to one of the primary dwarf characters. Thorek, I'm not sure. He was the first major dwarf character to get killed off, right before he made the discovery that could have potentially led the dwarfs into a new golden age.

Also, ungrim being "confined" to the throne of power isn't a problem, the dwarf kings can still fight from it and leave whenever they want, they just have to sit on it when they do happen to sit. Ungrim did want to be High King and was actually the favorite until Throgrim Showed up with his runic treasures and Norse dwarfs. Him being high king now wouldn't really be a trap

>>49199562
Oh, right, the young engineer!

And something I've tried to understand... how does a Slayer King keep his slayer oath but also fulfill his duties of leading his people?

In addition, one would assume if he sits the throne of power and is a slayer, he'll be forcing his throne-bearers into the most dangerous fighting at all time.

>>49199602
His duties as King prevail over his Slayer oath, so he isn't allowed to an Hero the way other slayers can. Instead, he just seeks out the most dangerous battles he can while also having some sense of self preservation.

As for Grimm, I was thinking we have him and his experimental weapons be what either saves Zhufbar, or allows him to lead the surviving dwarfs of Zhufbar out of their fallen hold and into everpeak. With many of the stubborn elders killed in the battles, the remaining dwarfs of zhufbar are mostly the younger, more progressive minded dwarfs who are willing to adopt the technology Grimm and his engineers are producing.

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>>49188378
Are you an idiot or what? Thanqoul wasn't killed. The ET novels make mistakes and invent things that are not in the real canon. Josh Reynolds explains his mistakes in his ask.fm. He said Canto the Unsworn couldn't tell a Skaven from another. It wasn't Thanqoul that he has seen

As what really happened to Thanqoul? It was explained in a WD where there was a section that had a small story explaining what the Skaven leadership were doing during End Time Archaon.

In the story, Thanqoul and Verminking work together to teleport Skavenblight out of World and into the Realm of Chaos to escape the world's destruction.

That's how Skaven city made it to AoS and how Thanqoul still lives in AoS and is the leader of the Masterclan. Two facts you somehow missed, you imbecilic cretin.

You deserve to be fake killed off screen by a hack writer.

>A group of men had come upon the orcs in the midst of a terrible thunderstorm and destroyed them. The leader of these men had slaughtered the orcs with deadly sweeps of his two-bladed axe as the woman who travelled with them screamed in pain. As the battle drew to a close, the woman’s screams ended, and the screams of a newborn cleaved the air.

>Anguished cries came from the men, who discovered that the woman was dead. She watched the grieving axeman lift a bloody baby from the ground as a roaring peal of thunder split the sky and a mighty comet lit the heavens with twin fiery tails.

>‘The Child of Thunder… born with the sound of battle in his ears and the feel of blood on his skin,’ she hissed. ‘Yours will be a life of greatness, but one of war.’

Sigmar came out of a vagina during a battle against Orcs in a middle of a thunderstorm while a two tailed comet shot through the sky. Apparently this has been canon for years. Then why did you guys claim he was a Primarch? Primarchs don't come outta vaginas.

>>49200157
This was only confirmed by the Sigmar books. Prior to that, it was but a myth. And the Warhammer world is lousy with unreliable narrators

What is the two tailed comet? A comet cannot possibly have two tails as it blazes through space. That's against the laws of physics.

So the twin tailed comet must be either a star ship or it could have been Dracothian which would explain the lightning storms.

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>>49200157
>>‘The Child of Thunder… born with the sound of battle in his ears and the feel of blood on his skin,’ she hissed. ‘Yours will be a life of greatness, but one of war
I wonder where i saw this before.

"Great Powers" were involved in the birth of Sigmar and the shaping of his future. However, they left their work undone. They left his future to be half decided by his choices and the impact of others on him.

Who were these "Great Powers"? Surely, it's the Chaos Gods because there is nothing greater than them.

>>49200351
>, it's the Chaos Gods because there is nothing greater than them.
Old Ones.

>>49200367
>Old Ones.

Old Ones were eaten/killed off by the Chaos Gods.

>Finally find a way to play proxy type games online
>I have been wanting to play WHF for years, but the local scene is fucking shitty to new guys, and I dont want to dump loads of cash if I dont have a fair grasp of it
>Have just been making shitty army lists for skaven while I try to convince a friend who obviously isnt interested to try it out

This is suffering. Sure its super fucking shitty compared to the real thing, but its online, free, and I just want to play the fucking game.

Speaking of which: Is 8th ed still popular? Or have people all jumped to age of sigmar exclusively? I am only now getting back into it and dont know the real, actual difference other then lore.

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I like the idea of Brokk Ironpick being suddenly vaulted into importance in Endhammer. I could see a dwarf used to being one of the least important Hold Kings taking advantage of the chaos to try and expand his own power or earn some wealth for his hold.

>>49200432
AoS is more a different game than a continuation of WFB. Things are roughly split between fans of 8th or older, and of 9th Age, a fanmade set of rules that generally seems well regarded, but some people don't like the not!Warhammer setting some of its fans push.

>>49200351
It could have Been the old ones, the "firstborn" gods, the elf gods, or even fate itself.
While only Headcanon, Reynolds had an interesting point saying that Kairos Fateweaver and by extension tzeentch were partially responsible for Sogmar becoming as powerful as he did. The chaos gods feared that the newly ascended Sigmar would have united the gods of men, elves and dwarfs into a force capable of defeating them, so they trapped him in the vortex. One of Tzeentchs exalted greater daemons lead Sigmar into the vortex and got destroyed in the process, leading to kairos being undisputed right hand man. This was said to be just one step in a very long and complicated plot to ascension.
Fast forward all the way to AoS, slaanesh is missing, nurgle and Khorne have suffered massive defeats, and Tzeentch is in prime position to claim ascendancy over Khorne. Perhaps the rise of Sigmar was a justasplanned to introduce another factor into the great game that could actually break the eternal stalemate? It would be very tzeentchian, but again, just a HEADCANON theory

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>>49200493
>It could have Been the old ones, the "firstborn" gods, the elf gods, or even fate itself.

Or it could be....(picture related).

>>49200525
That's fucking stupid, why would he have anything to do with it when he is chaos undivided incarnate?

>firstborn daemon Prince buttmad that the chaos gods took his power
>knows he can't challenge them directly because they own his soul
>covertly aids in the upbringing of a man independant of chaos who will one day rise to be powerful enough to challenge the gods themselves
>man eventually becomes a God himself and, along with his fellow gods, upsets the balance of the great game
>slaanesh missing, nurgle and Khorne reeling
>Sigmar and friends only getting more powerful
>their new undivided champion will undoubtably betray them at some point

Holy shit actually that makes a lot of sense. Belakek was the good guy all along

>>49200091
>That's how Skaven city made it to AoS and how Thanqoul still lives in AoS and is the leader of the Masterclan. Two facts you somehow missed, you imbecilic cretin.

>Expecting WFB fags to know AoS lore.

>>49200592
>Belakek was the good guy all along
t belakor

go eat some rocks.
>>49200091
>>49200732
>it wasn't thanquol AT ALL
DUN DUN DUN!

>>49200779

If Gotrek ascended to Godhood, then Thanquol should be doomed to an immortal life of failure.

>>49200732
>That's fucking stupid, why would he have anything to do with it when he is chaos undivided incarnate?

A complex plot in order to create Archaon aka Lord of the End Times so he can possess him and finally become Everchosen.

The Legend of the Three Eyed King/The Red Eye dude who will bring about the End Times was a thing even in Sigmar's time. Ulric's religion had him as the Antichrist figure of their religion.

>>49200867
>Thanquol should be doomed to an immortal life of failure.

He is the de-facto "mortal" leader of the Skaven race. He doesn't find as appealing as he thought he would but he made it big.

>>49200905
Thanquol has celebrity remorse?

Also, how long lived is he now? Isn't AoS set like...thousands of years into the future?

>>49201165
Uncounted aeons for the Age of Myth.

500 years for the Age of Chaos.

A few years for the Age of Sigmar.

Add them all up and it will be a lot. It doesn't matter though since Thanqoul lives in the Realm of Chaos where time is meaningless.

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>>49199562
>>49199602
Have we considered having Thorek actually make that discovery?

I know it wouldn't exactly be grimdark, but it might be interesting to provide dwarfs with a spot of hope. Grim, certain doom is their style, yes, but its also been their main character point for a very long time at this point, and tossing them a spot of hope (however temporarily) might be interesting.

>Sigmar is the champion of the "good gods"
what a crock of shit, all this AoS trash belongs into the dumpster, Sigmar was not created by the chaos gods or any other gods, he was simply an excellent specimen chosen by Ulric as his champion in life.

And what did Sigmar accomplish to make him the leader of any gods? He has never even seen an elf, not to mention a Lizardman or anything other than Dwarfs.

by the time Sigmar came around, most of the big events have already happened, and the only thing he created was a chaos speedbump in the old world (which didn't even achieve any greatness in the End Times either)

What is a a Sigmar, or even an Ulric, when compared to the likes of Caledor the Dragontamer, Lord Kroak ot Aenarion? fucking nothing, he killed a bunch of orcs and made friends with
the dwarfs, that's a good backstory for the first human emperor, but retconning him to be a child of fate and the leader of the gods, when he was nothing but a skilled barbarian, makes the whole setting smaller.

It's writing you'd expect from capeshit, or even World of Warcraft. Please keep this dumb shit out of WHFB General.

>>49201774

He speaks the big true-true.

This is basically my operating model when we run WFRP games.

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>>49201774
U wot m8, Sigmar single handily killed bloodthirster, Drachenfels, Morkar the Everchosen and Nagash the strongest undead, he is on the level of Aenarion or greater.

>>49201830
Eh, Sigmar is just another hero in a setting replete with heroes.

I'd put him at about the same level as Gotrek. Which makes sense, since Gotrek became a god too.

>>49201774
>what a crock of shit, all this AoS trash belongs into the dumpster, Sigmar was not created by the chaos gods or any other gods, he was simply an excellent specimen chosen by Ulric as his champion in life.

Novels disagree. The hand of fate and "Greater Powers" are responsible for Sigs.

Lets see what Sigmar did to influence the world?

-He founded the Empire which acted a bulwark against the forces of datkness. The dwarfs and Elves admit right there in the rulebooks and novels that without the Empire, they would be in deep shit.
-He stood his ground against a daemonic invasion of the Chaos Gods that would have wiped out humanity in the old world
-He defeated Nagash the greatest villain with a mortal origin (after Be'lakor). Had Nagash have been reunited with his crown and Sigmar either was defeated or have yielded, then Nagash would be ruling the world by now
-Sigmar stopped two Chaos invasions from the north directed at the city of the world. You know how much the world would be fucked if the Wolf God's city ever fell to Chaos
-Sigmar defeated Morkar the Uniter aka the First Everchosen of Chaos
-He cursed the vampires. His power, name, and symbol are among the only weaknesses the vampires have

That's ignoring his feats in ET and AoS because I am too lazy to list them.

There wasn't any much of retconning. It's just another idiot ignorant about the lore.

>>49201913
>then Nagash would be ruling the world by now
How is bad to be ruled by egyptian skeleton?

>>49201913
Personal opinions start here.

Lord Kroak moment of glory happened in the First invasion of Chaos and he wasn't much of a help until the End Times.

Caledor saved the world but he was too weak to stop his friend Aenarion from drawing that bloody sword.

Aenarion was weak. Anearion was a fool. He rejected Caledor's plan initially and was so driven by grief and loss that he was blinded to anything else. In the period of time when rage took him, he cared nothing for his people and only sought revenge. He sacrificed his races future and cursed his bloodline out of selfish reasons even after the shade of his waifu told him NOOOOOOOOOO DON'T PULL THE SWORD. By drawing the blade, he doomed the Elves and started the series of events that led to the true End Times. That's why what happened on that isle is called by the fluff "The Doom of the Elves".

Sigmar, not even in his angriest moments, would be as selfish as to throw the future of his people to the wolves for the sake of vengeance.

Sigmar abandoned his needs, endured great pain and betrayal, and cast off his birthright fulfilling his oath to Ravenna, all for the sake of mankind. Never once did weaver and never once did he put himself above mankind in anyway.

Both Sigmar and Aenarion lost their loved one to Chaos. Sigmar rose from that and kept true to his righteous path. Aenerion was consumed by it which led him take his people to a dark path. Sigmar never loved again and kept true to his fallen love. Aenarion remarried with FUCKING MORATHI.

Ergo, Sigmar is a better man specimen than Aenarion ever was.

>>49201913
>
-He founded the Empire which acted a bulwark against the forces of datkness. The dwarfs and Elves admit right there in the rulebooks and novels that without the Empire, they would be in deep shit.

He unified the tribes of man in the area and, lets be fair here, it would have happened eventually anyway.

>-Sigmar defeated Morkar the Uniter aka the First Everchosen of Chaos

So? We don't worship the people who defeated all the other Everchosen.

>-Sigmar stopped two Chaos invasions from the north directed at the city of the world. You know how much the world would be fucked if the Wolf God's city ever fell to Chaos

Again, see the first point. Great job and all, but the Kislevites will be doing that job for a good long while after Sigs leaves.

>-He defeated Nagash the greatest villain with a mortal origin (after Be'lakor). Had Nagash have been reunited with his crown and Sigmar either was defeated or have yielded, then Nagash would be ruling the world by now

Who is Alcadizaar?

Don't get me wrong, Sigmar is a great hero and all. But his greatness comes from him being a mortal man who stood up against forces greater than he was.

When you throw in all the Destined to be a God shit and Touched by Fate, it loses some of that appeal. How much shittier would Conan have been if the character was a living avatar of Krom chosen to be his mortal champion and touched with some of his divine essence?

>>49201977
>>49201977
>He unified the tribes of man in the area and, lets be fair here, it would have happened eventually anyway.

Highly unlikely. The adventures and deeds of Sigmar are what opened the hearts of people to him. Even the dwarfs were drawn to his heroism and charm.

And lets not forget none of these tribes would exist if it wasn't for Sigmar ending the threats that came to wipe them out. The massive Norsi invasion, the Greenskin invasions, and the Great Necromancer himself.

>So? We don't worship the people who defeated all the other Everchosen.

Emperor Magnus is near worshipped in the Empire.

And the reason why he was able to perform that day was because he had the blood of Sigmar in him and because the fate demanded him to act. Just ask Canto the Unsworn.

>but the Kislevites will be doing that job for a good long while after Sigs leaves.

The Kislevites weren't even a thing back and did not factor at all that time.

And when did the Kislevites ever stop a massive Chaos invasion? The two Everchosen who took the Kislev route were unstoppable until the Empire took action.

>Who is Alcadizaar?

Did his duty and died. His trial with the weakened Nagash was swift.

Sigmar had to pit his willpower against the power of the Crown and Nagash himself. No mortal man could have resist the temptation of the crown and yet Sigmar wore it and emerged unscathed from the experience.

>>49202149
Continued....

>When you throw in all the Destined to be a God shit and Touched by Fate, it loses some of that appeal. How much shittier would Conan have been if the character was a living avatar of Krom chosen to be his mortal champion and touched with some of his divine essence?

WHFB is a setting with living gods who act in the world and try to shape it for better and worse. They foster their champions and guide their fates. Sigmar is not unique in that regard. Teclis, Malekith, Valkia, and many more all share the outline of Sigmar's story. This has always been the case in WHFB. If it's something you don't like, then you

Anyways, the Changeling puts it in better words when he spoke to Archaon about it.

>‘Did you not question, not for once, what you have achieved and how you could have achieved it? Out of the thousands, nay millions of lowly creatures of this world that ache for the power to challenge their stars and change their fate, why should it have been you? Why should you have risen from obscurity? Why should you be the chosen, the Everchosen of Chaos? The Herald of the Apocalypse… the Lord of the End Times?’

>‘Then I am…’

>‘Nothing… something… everything,’ the Changeling hissed from within its hood. ‘Like me, like all who serve the powers of light and the powers of darkness, you will be what you are needed to be. Have no doubt, though, Archaon of the distant Empire. You are blessed with daemon lineage. You are the son of a prince, chosen one– which in some corners of this foetid world would make you a prince in your own right. You are special not just because of what you made of yourself and your circumstances. Look at you. You stand where no mortal man has stood before. You are undoubtedly an indomitable soul. You are also special because of what others made of you and the circumstances of their own. Principally, your father-in-shadow.’

Nothing in WHFB happens by accident.

What needs to be written?

>>49189866

I'd suggest haathegor or somethong akin to it.
Haathee is the hindi word for elephant.

>>49189866
>>49202637
Or perhaps Haathmaanav.
Maanav is hindi for human, and Haathee is still hindi for elephant.

>>49202671
I feel Toot Toot Big Snoots is the most accurate.

>>49201961
Mannlet FOH

>>49201977
kislev is a rump state that is dependent upon empire support for anything more than a chaos raid.

>>49202671
>hathimaanav
>literally elephant man

does he an hero too?

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>Geheimnisnacht
>Skaven and Goblin wars is the most exciting part of the mod

Fuck other races, the Vermin Bowl is where it's at.

>>49203741
They updated Geheimnisnacht?

>>49203765
it's at CK 2.5.2 now. Covenant, Reapers Due isn't in yet.

>>49203887
Ah, bugger. I should just roll back the patches to play with it. After my Aztec Irish run is over...

>>49203958
it's EZ, just set 2.5.2 in Betas and disable Reapers due in the Launcher

>>49201165
Thanquol was absurdly elderly even after the 15 year timeskip in G&F. That's why I've made an immortality machine the interest of my game's grey seer.

>>49204194
Will it mess up my current ironman game if I do that?

>>49204234
Thanquol's chilling out in Khuresh in Endhammer.

We should come up with a new Moulder hero.

>>49201680
What was the discovery, again?

>>49200481
Should we give Brokk rules, then?

>>49199758
In End Times, Grimm releases the Zhufbar floodgates and floods the hold, denying it to the Skaven. Could say he and a few survivors were protected in water-tight passages somewhere in the hold.

Also I'm open to Zhufbar, Barak Varr, and Everpeak being held.

lets not forget that the Goblins did not follow Grimgor.

That means despite the relative lack of Orcs, there's still plenty of Gobs in the Old World, especially the WE mountains.

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Is >tfw no drachenfels here from last thread?
>>49162066
I was up there today. :3

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>>49206428
It's pretty nice there, can recommend.

>>49205375
Eh, Grimm flooding zhufbar was one of J Reynolds head canons, in the actual ET book this isn't mentioned and some literally who rune lord leads many of zhufbars surviving dwarfs out. Grimm never shows up in the story at all. If Zhufbar falls, I say we have Grimm and Gottri use the technological wonders and some of the recovered ancestor rune weapons to arm the surviving dwarfs and fight their way out. The skaven flood into Zhufbar only to find out too late that a series of timed explosions was set up by Grimm and the hold is completely flooded

If Zhufbar stands, same as above except they use those tech marvels and runic weapons to successfully fight off the skaven. Their victory is an example to the other dwarfs that progress isn't so bad, and is what is needed if the dwarfs are to move forward from the endtimes. With many of the elders killed in the wars, the younger dwarfs have more pull than before, and Grimm isn't expelled by Dwarf levels of stupidity

>>49201680
If he made that discovery Valaya herself would have come out of the mountains and the dwarfs would have recovered runic magic on levels they experienced in the golden age. This could be done, but it wouldn't make sense why we let the dwarfs keep everpeak and recover their golden age while Ulthuan sinks, most of the major empire cities are destroyed and both HE and empire are going through schisms

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>>49206559
Last one and now I'm back to working on my Kingdom of Equitaine.

>>49201369
Bump!

>>49201774
>>49201977
>m-muh normal dudes!
Are you the same guy who keeps insisting that warhammer is supposed to be about peasants defending their homes from the horrors of the worl with a sharpened piece of wood and a tin bucket helmet?

>>49207832
it is

>>49206597
J Reynolds head canons is most of Endhammer, bruh.

>>49206597
>empire
>schism
I thought we were done with this silly idea.

>>49207900
I know but we don't have to stick to all of it like its hard canon to endhammers setting. Also we left out many of his better ideas like the Greenskin-Chaos dwarf war.
>>49208036
Apparently not, there was a huge spergfest about it and some autist made a petty poll just to shut up one of the guys who was against the schism, in which it was overwhelmingly in favor of schism. Also tried to claim it's only 1 or 2 guys who were against the schism and that everyone else loved the idea

>>49208036
The vote for the schism won. Fuck off already.

It's gonna be Luitpold and Heinrich as rivals for the title of emperor.

>>49208227
It WAS only one or two guys against the schism, based on the poll.

>>49208231
Yeah, I've already come to the conclusion that the empire portion of endhammer is fucking stupid and I'm not even going to focus on it anymore. At least Dorfs seem to have something good going for them, and some portions of the elves can be salvaged. Just hoping that dwarfs, tomb KANGZ and lizardmen aren't treated as badly as the humans were in this attempt at a "better" endtimes

>empire wins the war against chaos and is ground to dust
>immediate schism

Well, time to switch over to bretonnia then.

>>49208431
>b-but character developement!
>the empire has been this United for Karl Franz entire 25 year reign, we need to change things!

Let's not start start this conversation again, the empire is beyond saving. Im switching over to dwarfs and so far my ideas have, for once, been well received. Good luck with the brets, fellow anti-schism anon.

>>49201977
>When you throw in all the Destined to be a God shit and Touched by Fate, it loses some of that appeal

I completely agree with this, nothing kills a charatcers appeal even half as much as "he is the reincarnation of this" or "he was blessed by that at birth"

what about hard work and skill overcoming the games of the gods.

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>Spend an entire day dumping rules onto a rando and a personal friend to get them into warhammer fantasy battles.

>constantly ask them whether they're sure they want to play with me and that I want to help them get things set up because I know it's a hassle.

>They slowly fade me out at the same time, despite not being in the same group of friends as eachother, one just goes completely silent and ignores me and the other uses work and sleep and people in his house as constant excuse to do nothing ever.

Why can't people just fucking say they don't want to do something with you?

On an entirely related note, is anyone here interested in online play?

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>>49205375
I think it'd be fun to give Brokk rules, yeah. He could have the firey axe that is Karak Norn's symbol, or have the pick that is his namesake.

>>49208569
You must really hate Greek myths, or any cultures myths for that matter. Heroes being destined for greatness or blessed by the gods has been a major part of storytelling since the begining of time. Warhammer is a setting where gods and fate and destiny are all very real things, nothing is on accident. Even real life heroes didn't owe everything to hard work, they were also subject to circumstance. Just so happens that in warhammer and most fantasy or mythology settings, gods and magic are another set of circumstances that affect a character

Just because Sigmar was destined for greatness doesn't mean he didn't acheive anything on his own. He could have had all the blessings of the gods but if he was a lazy piece of shit, nothing would have happened. It's not like he bumbled his way through his ascent to godhood and just so happen to get lucky all the time despite being pretty unskilled, like harry potter.

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>Download Brutal Combat
>200 unit sizes for all factions
>Better guns with slower reload, but buffed range and AP

>mfw the absolute bloodbaths

It feels like an entirely different game.

Just a shame that my Chaos campaign turned into a bit of a steamroll. Not much that can stop a an army with 200 Chosen units with Great Weapons, even on Legendary.

>>49208549
Actually, I am happy I got to change the entire ind perspective personally.

>>49208880
>tfw no Mr Bean Visits the old world.

>>49208331
You lost the vote by a large margin and you probably voted once on your phone and once on your laptop. Stop samefagging.

>>49208804
Probably a pick, right?

So how fucked is the eastern empire in Endhammer.

I think they are not politically affiliated at the moment, but a lot of counties and baronies should be relatively fine, chaos can't be everywhere at once after all.

>>49209680
No him, but even during the Shism vote there was a major discussion on how the shism should even look, what's Vlads role in the whole thing.

Many people, me included were in favour of a shism, but not an open war between the Elector Counts.

Political Shism is fine, civil war is retarded.

>>49209680
I didn't vote at all in that poll, it wasn't working for me. Posted screenshots and everything. Just accept that more than one person thinks your forced imperial Sigmarites vs Ulrican schism right after they just survived the worst chaos invasion since the great catastrophe is retarded. That's not even taking into account the fact that older, more respected elector counts who survived would definitely vote for one of their own over 2 upstart literally who's That are barely out of their teens an nowhere near the men their fathers were.

>>49206597
>This could be done, but it wouldn't make sense why we let the dwarfs keep everpeak and recover their golden age while Ulthuan sinks
Well, if we have to go with one or the other, I'd take Valaya over Everpeak. It would leave the scenario a little more ambiguous (because the loss of Everpeak *should* be the loss of Dwarfs), while still leaving a possible way for them to recover. And heck, maybe it *will* be the end for Dwarfs, but the beginning of something different.

Quick, suggest a french name or I shit up the thread!

>>49210133
Louis

>>49210133
Merde

>>49210133
Jean Pierre Polnareff

>>49210133
Francois

>>49210052
For a few days I have been thinking of a Mordheim/Dungeon Crawling RPG type setting for a lost Everpeak set in the near future into Endhammer, some 100-200 years.

It involves human Gloryhounds and Dwarf Rangers, also all kinds of other loonies to go dungeon crawling in the Everpeak and searching for various things (lost clan artifacts, riches beyond belief, mine some diamonds, rare beer, the phoenix crown, or just kill some fucking gobs and rats)

You could justify almost every race searching for one thing or another within those ruins.

Hey guys, is WFRP 2E welcome here? I'm DMing a game and hoping for some advice in terms of setting and shit.

>>49210320
sure

>>49210320
Make it grim

Make it dark

The PCs will die

Make them random roll everything

Everything that the PCs accomplish will be meaningless

Have fun

>>49210320
You will never know if you don't ask a question.

>>49210283
>lizardfolk looking for more dwarfs to genocide
>tomb kings looking for lost teacosy

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Too late faggots, Prepare your asses!


My name is Jean Pierre Merde, I am a servant of Duke Huebald of Carcassonne. I was borne to Louis and Polnareff outside the walls of the mighty city. At a young age I could speak a little more clearly than my 5 siblings and two pigs, and so I was chosen by the Duke Francois to be his chronicler.

It is often the custom of grail monks to record the deeds of the brave knights and Valiant Lords of bretonnia. In those days, Master Huebald was still an errant knight, and I grew up learning how to read and write bretonnian in the latest fashion of the court, for I was intended to be the Duke's chronicler like the uncouth dogs of the empire are wont to do so.

Alas, fashion can be fickle, and before my education was finished, news came that it was now the fashion to write chronicles by the hands of the lady's damsels. I was promptly fined all of my two coins that I had managed to save up, and sent out to the farm.

Angered at his failed investment, the venerable Francois died (May the Lady keep his soul). His son Huebald le Bref was off a different mind, and sought me out.

He had been humiliated in court on account of his slight build and he would show the world how superior he was to the court of Couronne by making the greatest duchy bretonnia had ever seen.

I am the chronicler on this noble quest.

The old duke had spent all his money on my education, and the forces of Carcassonne had gone to waste. Huebald set about recruiting the hardy peasants to create a new army.

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>>49210395
Since his grand quest required full dedication on his part, Huebald le Bref delegated the ruling of his duchy to the merchants of Brionne. The peasants were good at rubbing two coppers to create a third, and so they were put in charge of the port. All the business would see to the duchy's growth.

To show that who their rightful lord was, an edict proclaiming the pillars of bretonnian society was stamped on all of their papers and their tables in their offices.

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>>49210457
The peasants, eager to serve their lord went about and began to expand the salt mines and fields with gusto. While the initial investment raised a few noble hairs, they would undoubtedly benefit the duchy later. Meanwhile the army was still being mustered.

Cruelly mocked by his peers, Huebald le Bref was having problems attracting knights to his duchy. As a result, he had to make do with the peasant levies. Their families would have to work harder during the harvest, but such is the peasant's duty. They were happy that the expanding army would protect them and were glad to make up for any labor shortage made by young able bodied peasants.

>>49210342
>>49210350
>>49210367
ayyy yeah

I've played it for a few years on and off but I'm kind of scatterbrained and not great at retaining all the thematic and lore stuff all the time, but opposite that I get super autistic about verisimilitude and little details (ie I searched for setting calendars and figured out the date and calculated weather and shit, its terrible)

Anyway I'm running the Ashes of Middenheim module, and my players went to the Dwarfen Engineer's Guild in the city to look into one of the victims, a dwarfen doorman. Despite two of the players being dwarfs (one an incredibly Jewish burgher, who is the driving player really, and the other is his shieldbreaker brother who does nothing but get pissed and do squats), the guild treated them very gruffly. This is because of story reasons, mostly, but the party is slightly That Party in terms of memeing and being cunts, but I let it go a bit because this is their first exposure to Warhammer and the first tabletop for some of them, and they're really very good about it in general.


Continued in next post:

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the ingrates who grumbled at their sons finding glory abroad soon shut up when the rumors of beastmen raiding the farmlands of carcassonne reached their ears. All the realm agreed that Duke Huebald was the wisest of the lords, and would one day make a fine king of Bretonnia.

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>>49210545
Anyway, they and the (living, current) doorman kind of get gruff and hostile with each other, to the point that the doorman calls the burgher PC an "ugly skruff" under his breath as the party exits. The burgher PC makes his perception test and hears it and promptly chimps the fuck out, and of course his brother joins in. Ultimately, four others dwarfs show up and beat the shit out of them (the rest of the party, a human and a halfling, fled in terror to find guards to help); a guard from down the street at the Chapel of Grungni arrived and split things up, and more or less told the players to fuck off in an effort to disperse the conflict (the shieldbreaker refused to put his axe away, too). While the PCs got insulted and their asses kicked (the burgher almost lost his ear, literally), they also chopped off a handful of the doorman's beard.

I am curious how I should spin this going forward, because of the propensity for dwarfs and their grudges. I would sort of like to have something interesting and cultural and have the Grungni priest mediate a peace between them, if it would lead towards interesting story and potential for the players. On the other hand, the grudge could be fierce and lasting with repercussions that constantly fuck with them - again, if it's interesting and satisfying. Where could I go with this, lorewise and gamewise?

pic semi-related, this is the halfling; "fancy" Guy Fieri

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The monsters were brought to battle in the glade of a small wood near the border between estalia and bretonnia. The creatures would soon learn to fear the men of bretonnia.

Duke Huebald marched on foot instead of his richly decorated destrier Merde, to bolster the morale of the common men at arms.

Humbled by such humility, the morale of the men pierced the skies. Woe unto the beastmen, for the peasants would fight as grail knights of old!

>>49210133
Ganelon
Renaud
Maugris

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Our lord arranged our men in an interesting formation. Unlike the straight lines that levies had been trained to use since bretonnia was founded, Duke Huebald arranged the men in seperate blocks.

He had seen the men of the empire do that with their spearmen and their black powder handgunners. While the weapons were inferior to bow and spear, the formation had some upsides of it's own.

Behind them stood Duke Huebald himself with the peasants armed with voulges. They would protect the mighty trebuchet from harm as it would destroy the beasts.

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Armed in the livery of the duchy, our archers reaped a heavy toll on the unarmored beastmen.

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Even when the beasts drew near, the brave peasantry didn't let down their lord and flee. Instead they calmly ran through the gaps in the lines and took up other firing positions.

>>49180701
For someone who never did WHFB: Why did GW drop Bretonnia? Were they not a popular army?

The monsters were stunned by the discipline and bravery of our men and by the time the knights charged they already had enough.

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>>49210860

>>49210576
I'd just have them all end up getting axed in the donglitz for behavior like that, but I have low tolerance for memes and shittery at my table. I'd go with the grudges, and make it SUCK for them at every turn.

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>>49210899
Duke Huebald himself led the men who were threatened by the dread minotaur, and vanquished the monsters, striding head and heels over the peasants, giving lie to the false name the court of Couronne had given to him.

>>49210394
I'm 100% certain there's at least some Lizmen and nehekaran artifacts in the treasure droves

>>49205375
>In End Times, Grimm releases the Zhufbar floodgates and floods the hold, denying it to the Skaven. Could say he and a few survivors were protected in water-tight passages somewhere in the hold.

I'm voting Grimm leads the survivors out in a Nautilus class submarine that he had prepared for just such an emergency.

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>>49210904
It's more that they're not taking it all seriously in-character some times, though I am slowly teaching them the error of that.

They won't be spending all their time in Middenheim, as I'm going to diverge from the module, but I'd still like to have this leave a lasting impact given that it's something organic that happened, and resonated strongly IC and OOC. I suppose bounty hunters or the like would work, but something less shallow and with more flavor would be excellent.

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As a result of the dead beastmen, the prosperity of the realm grew and Carcassone became and agricultural economy, and the people prospered under Huebald le Grande for the years he ruled.
He was the wisest of them all, and the most handsome.

-written by chronicler Jean Pierre Merde. Official Chronicler of Carcassonne.

>>49206597
>This could be done, but it wouldn't make sense why we let the dwarfs keep everpeak and recover their golden age while Ulthuan sinks, most of the major empire cities are destroyed and both HE and empire are going through schisms

It'd make a nice change of pace from Oldhammer, but I wouldn't quite call pushing the Dwarfs to the brink of extinction and then giving them the tools to fix that as 'A Golden Age'.