Is "magical realm" actually a thing, or is it just

>>49168156
the term itself came with the comic but it was a thing for decades before that

why do you think DnD has at least two erotic extensions?

run while you can, stay pure

It existed, that comic just gave it a name. You're not describing your fetish either, the whole thing is that you think you're being slick and inserting it into the game with none the wiser. No one does it with the intention to have the players know they're doing it, they're just neither as smart nor as subtle as they think they are.

>>49168156
>Is "magical realm" actually a thing
yes
>is it just some meme
it is now that newfags decided to apply it everywhere to fit in.
>I simply cannot imagine young men describing their fetish in front of other young men.
It's more prevalent online but it happens, usually because of actual autists who have zero understanding of other humans.

>>49168156
You have two things that may allow for it: anonymity in online games insulating the player from social consequences, and the player having some mental or social problem that makes them unable to either predict or care about others' reactions. Obviously there can be significant overlap.

>oh another giant woman again
>oh we are being swallowed, again

>>49168156
>Is "magical realm" actually a thing
Yes, I've had players try to stick their magical realm into my games before. As in more than one time.

>>49168156
>this comic is what happens if you don't take things too seriously

Nice to see someone responded to the first comic.

Also, i don't know about it happening (certainly never happened to me) but i would love to come across something like this.
I imagine it could be fun, if people don't flip their shit over it being magical realm.

It's almost never a situation where you're literally encountered by a whizzard of piss tempting you to traipse into a forest of piss trees, but if you play for long enough and come to understand or at least be familiar with people you play with, then you can often tell when they do something or something happens, that is obviously motivated by a fetish or at least for some gross-out, shock, or feel bad value.

The important thing to remember though is that just because somthing might be magical realm, doesn't automatically mean the game is ruined. It can and often might be something small that doesn't really impact the game at all. Like if someone is a furry and they play a gnoll, they are fully capable of playing the character completely normally and competently, and the character itself besides race might be completely normal and non-fetishistic. However the person playing it, in some way do get personal enjoyment just out of the fact that they're playing a gnoll, or imagining a gnoll in these situations. A setting in this case, where they could actually be an anthro animal, and it's not seen as weird, so they can act normal as it, unlike the real world.

I guess it all comes down to how it is executed, and whether you know the person is secretly enjoying it in a different way, for possibly perverse reasons.

I've only seen it in more subtle ways. Usually an NPC the party can immediately identify as important as it clearly represents the DM's ideal waifu. The most reaction that gets is a sort of collective-yet-hidden-from-the-GM sigh. I imagine most people who want to go full piss forest either turn to online ERP or are just autistic (or both)

>>49168156
It is absolutely a thing, yes. Far more prevalent online as far as I'm concerned, but yes people do insert their fetishes into tabletop roleplaying games. 90% stories on /tg/ are fake or highly exaggerated for effect, but that doesn't change the fact that some people are just horndogs with no social grace.

Hell, let me put it that way, people insert their fetishes into Fallout mods. Why do you think they wouldn't do so in a much more malleable medium?

>>49168661
Well, magical realm is different from that, since it involves sharing your fetishes with people who aren't specifically looking for weird sex stuff. Porny Fallout mods more imply the genuine existence of ERP.

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>>49168156

It is. It's especially noticeable among the more spergy people who cannot into impulse control or social interaction. And it's not exclusive to GM:s, but it's the most noticeable when they do it.

>mfw furfaggot at my table starts calling my setting "uncreative" because it only got humans in it

>>49168549
No, that comic only works if everyone turns off their brain and accepts the idea that it's okay for someone to use their fetish in place of logic, humor, or style.

It's not even an amusing comic, just one with some really awful attempts at jokes followed by a flyweight attempt at a punchline, all with the stupid message of "if you give the pee fetish guy a chance, he'll show you how 'compelling' pee can be," all without actually showing anything that makes the idea a good one.

It's the sort of thing you could expect from tumblr. Unfunny, and with a backwards message about tolerance that borders on insanity.

>>49168837

Or it's irony.

>>49168880
I don't think you really understand what irony is, which I guess is ironic.

>>49168837
The idea of "dude you can make everything work with RP! Lmao! Just give it a chance!" that people on here love to regurgitate only works if you are going in with literally no expectations and aren't taking anything seriously. Then it can be fun for a session or two.

But if I am expecting a gritty medieval game, for example, get myself into an appropriate mood and develop my character accordingly, I will get very pissed indeed (no pun intended) if the DM eventually springs his magical realm on us or does something lolsorandumb. It would completely ruin the mood. I'm here for the game that was advertised, not some wacky fantasy mad libs.

>>49168837
It think the message was less about pee and more about "you could still have fun", but don't really disagree with you. I certainly enjoy a few things that are intentionally dumb, but there's a vague line where shit just becomes insufferable, and it's usually where someone with questionable tastes asks "why you can't just turn your brain off"

>>49169116
>>49169123

No it's irony. It assumes you've read the original and then does the opposite you expect. That makes it irony.

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>>49169116
>But if I am expecting a gritty medieval game, for example, get myself into an appropriate mood and develop my character accordingly, I will get very pissed indeed (no pun intended) if the DM eventually springs his magical realm on us or does something lolsorandumb. It would completely ruin the mood. I'm here for the game that was advertised, not some wacky fantasy mad libs.

>tfw the DM literally put Megaman into their campaign

>>49169221
Have you read the original post the responses to you're responding to now?

>this comic is what happens if you don't take things too seriously, i would love to come across something like this

>>49168837
>in place of logic, humor, or style.
This is not expressed in the comic at all.
Rather the opposite.
It is okay for someone to use their fetish WITH logic, humor and style.

>without showing anything that makes the idea a good one.
Since you dislike the comic you fail to entertain the things it brings up for long enough to see that each of the panels from the first implies certain virtues necessary for a good RPG.
4th panel: combat and somewhat interesting enemies
5th panel: good party interaction and downtime activities, and a group that gets along.
6th panel: epic conclusion, a point to the storyline, useful abilities
7th panel: humor and a character that's actually roleplaying
8th panel: depth to the character, consequences, humor and tragedy, actual prose, more actual roleplaying

Meanwhile the original comic had
>players not giving a shit about the DMs plothooks
>no actual roleplaying
>not liking some part of the game being resolved with IRL physical violence

... wait
>Unfunny, and with a backwards message about tolerance that borders on insanity.
Oh that explains that.
/pol/ pls go.

>>49169116
>It would completely ruin the mood
This should go without saying.
Jarring shifts of tone are bad whether it's magical realm or not.
If i come into a game expecting semi dark but whacky adventurer antics and we end up dealing with genocide, that would be off putting.
If i come into a game expecting diplomatic resolutions to most conflicts, and lots of roleplaying and i get to besiege barbarian hordes instead, that would be off putting.
If i come into a game expecting long intriguing horror with some connection to the characters and i get PCs dying every session, that would be off putting.
If i come into a game expecting a lighthearted high fantasy epic, and end up with a lolsorandom wacky adventure, that would be off putting.

>>49169116
But the players are taking it seriously. They're not treating it like a joke, but in absolute earnest, to the point of tears.

The original comic got it right. This comic somehow managed to miss the point by a mile.

>>49169281
>This comic somehow managed to miss the point by a mile.

That's because it's making a different point. This isn't hard to get.

>>49169221
It's long, drawn-out, and utterly devoid of humor, even with the insistence that it's supposed to be ironic. Even if it were three panels long it still wouldn't have been particularly amusing.

>>49169281
>But the players are taking it seriously. They're not treating it like a joke, but in absolute earnest, to the point of tears.
So?
Why is something having a connection to sexuality automatically either hidden away and not talked about ever, or the butt of jokes and "brain turned off" dumb shit?

If you actually are playing a game where random weird things happen, (not a gritty realistic serious one) then one of those random weird things being something that is sexual for some people is not an awful thing.

>>49169321
It seems I'm not talking to someone intelligent.
The first comic was a joke about terrible GM's that do dumb things like repeatedly inserting their fetishes into games and thinking they're being clever about them.
This comic is just an unamusing "but they could have had fun anyway!" response that doesn't understand any of the humor in the original.

It doesn't even understand the basics of a comedic foil.

It's just a bad comic, from every perspective.

>>49169360
Whoa, dude, you don't want to paint yourself into a corner now. You're almost at the point where you have to try and defend taking the Piss Forest seriously.

Even the comic couldn't do it without ignoring that it's piss.

>>49169360
The problem appears when inserting your fetishes into a game makes the other players uncomfortable.
Nobody (or at least few) people will take offense to a throwaway line about x medieval city having a brothel or two.
But quite a few people really don't want to hear about the GMs special kingdom of bikini-clad lesbian sexcrazy catgirls.

It's less "talking about sexuality" and more the feeling of "our overweight neckbeard GM who i don't want to think about in that context ever really obviously gets off on this".
Which does not make a comfortable and relaxing gaming environment for most people.

Reminder that nobody on /tg/ actually plays games, so any descriptions of interaction with actual people should be entirely disbelieved.

>>49168301
>again
Can I join your group?

>>49169606
>But quite a few people really don't want to hear about the GMs special kingdom of bikini-clad lesbian sexcrazy catgirls.
This i don't understand.
Sure, as i said, if it's a game about gritty realistic medieval times it's one thing, but in a setting with high fantasy weird cultures why couldn't one of them be a matriarchy with scantily clad women.

Why do you care if someone gets off on something?
In the end it just boils down to you being uncomfortable with acknowledging that other people are sexual beings too, because you "don't want to think about them in that way".

This is dumb.

Whereas if you could just not care about it and try to take it lightly and engage with the things in character most likely nothing too awful would come out of it, at least not in the game.
This was the point in the comic which i agree with 100%.

>actually a thing, or is it just some meme

Does it matter?

>? I simply cannot imagine young men describing their fetish in front of other young men

Get out more often.

>>49169871
That guy did a poor job of explaining things, because he made the mistake of thinking you weren't an idiot.

But, since you are an idiot, let me explain.
The comic is dumb. The adventure? Dumb. The characters? Stupid.

You don't understand why, because you are so stupid, that even the simple idea of "a piss forest is stupid" is lost on you. Your personal lack of self-awareness leads you to the idea that not only is it a good idea, but that people who would disagree with it and call it stupid are being too serious and missing out on a chance for a good time.

This is the point where we stop pretending we can have a discussion, because you are clearly too stupid to be reasoned with. You lack the basic comprehension of "Piss Forest is a terrible idea", and that leaves you with dancing around it to try and say that people need to be comfortable when dealing with idiots like yourself, regardless of how stupid you are, because if they just ignore how stupid you are they can have a mediocre and shitty game that's cheapened by your forced insertion of awful ideas just so you can masturbate to them later.

This is the part I call you an idiot that can't be saved, and to tell you to at the very least to develop enough self-awareness to stop making a fool of yourself by opening your mouth.

>>49168156
I wouldn't know, I roleplay with my friends from high school to this day as god intended. No one would risk the scorn and mockery that would follow for the rest of their life if they would try to use our sessions for their own sexual pleasure.

>>49170140
>The comic is dumb. The adventure? Dumb. The characters? Stupid.
>the comic is making a point i don't like
>i refuse to entertain the idea that things could happen that way
>everything in that comic is thus stupid.

Your inability to see how engaging with something (despite the fact that it doesn't seem appealing) can produce nice results, explains your inability to see how engaging with something (despite the fact that it doesn't seem appealing) can produce results.

You don't understand why, because you are so stupid, that even the simple idea of "giving things a chance is good" is lost on you. Your personal lack of self awareness leads you to the idea that not only is it a bad idea, but that people who would disagree with you and call it a good idea are being too stupid to understand and are missing out to have "proper, good" kind of roleplaying experiences.

Seriously. All you said just equates to. "You think something might be fun that i don't think would be fun? I'm going to go ahead and provide no arguments for my standpoint and just insult you for my entire post"

>>49168156
Turn around. Start running. Don't stop until your legs give out. It's your only option to stay relatively innocent.

>>49170433
Please. Go on. Tell me how wonderful the Piss Forest is.

Oh wait, it's fucking retarded.
But do go on about "nice results" like you think that somehow you can just treat piss like water, or that someone who made the concsious effort of devoting an adventure to piss would be even sensible enough to keep it to that level.

First comic had it right. Five steps in, you'd find trolls asking to pee in their mouths, and somehow you're going to argue that makes for a great adventure.

Get bent, you dumb creep. You can take your "b-but it c-could be nice" sentimenality and shove it up your peehole.

>>49171085
>or that someone who made the concsious effort of devoting an adventure to piss would be even sensible enough to keep it to that level.
Why not?
Why do you automatically assume that anything involving something sexual has got to be asinine?
I think this was the point of the comic.
If magical realms are treated sensibly not just "lol here's a fetish thing let me masturbate to it" then it can be good roleplaying as said in >>49169277

>Five steps in,
No you seem to misremember the first comic.
The guys deliberately refused the plothook by the GM after which they got presented with a different one of the same type.
Upon which they physically beat him up, embodying the perfect violent prudish fuckhead stereotype.

>You can take your "b-but it c-could be nice" sentimenality and shove it up your peehole.
That's a fetish you know.

>>49171085
>Please. Go on. Tell me how wonderful the Piss Forest is.
Not him, but that depends on the setting. If the setting's tone is lighthearted and comedic, a piss forest could fit right in purely because of how bizarre it is.

>>49169437
Because it isn't trying to, do you really not understand this?

>>49170433
Burden of proof is kind of on you.

Comic does a poor job of explaining what made the pee adventure good. There's even a panel with the whizzard shooting pee at a pee golem. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

All it's got is the two guys crying about how pee can be so compelling, but nothing in any of the panels suggests that. It's basically an adventure that has no reason to include pee, and the comic writer actually seems to have come to the conclusion that they couldn't treat pee like anything other than yellow water without completely destroying the fragile point they were hoping to force.

It's essentially "inserting your fetish can be okay, as long as you do your best to keep your fetish out of context and ultimately make it a neglible point that can be easily and more sensibly replaced with something that isn't awkward/disgusting."

And that's still pretty nonsensical.

>>49171202
You really sound like you need to go outside once in a while. Mostly just so someone can hit you, while they embody the stereotype of "person compelled to violence by someone being an irreconcilable idiot."

>>49171344
>There's even a panel with the whizzard shooting pee at a pee golem
Makes about sense as a barbarian smacking a stone club at a stone golem, which can actually happen in D&D. Or a monk punching a flesh golem.

>>49171202
Please, go back to telling people about how great a piss adventure is, while we watch you make ever increasingly stupid statements.

You're like 95% of all that guy stories rolled up into one person, and all just because you lack basic self-awareness.

>>49171202

The reason why nobody responded to your first post was because it was boring progressive word salad, and most of /tg/ is smart enough not to mistake verbosity for wisdom. Please stop bringing your magical realms into games.

>>49171412
You mean shooting fire at a fire elemental or water at a water elemental.

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>>49168156
>I simply cannot imagine young men describing their fetish in front of other young men.
Some people are just THAT socially autistic, and some of those people play /tg/. Is it really so hard to realize? How new are you to 4chan?

>>49168201

>why do you think DnD has at least two erotic extensions?

Because sex sells and 3aboos are degenerates?

>>49171344
>burden of proof
the comic is nice you say it's dumb. you prove it.
>Comic does a poor job of explaining what made the pee adventure good.
As i said before, i literally said it all here:

>>49169277
Since you dislike the comic you fail to entertain the things it brings up for long enough to see that each of the panels from the first implies certain virtues necessary for a good RPG.
4th panel: combat and somewhat interesting enemies
5th panel: good party interaction and downtime activities, and a group that gets along.
6th panel: epic conclusion, a point to the storyline, useful abilities
7th panel: humor and a character that's actually roleplaying
8th panel: depth to the character, consequences, humor and tragedy, actual prose, more actual roleplaying

Meanwhile the original comic had
>players not giving a shit about the DMs plothooks
>no actual roleplaying
>not liking some part of the game being resolved with IRL physical violence

>"...a neglible point that can be easily and more sensibly replaced with something that isn't awkward/disgusting."

But it wasn't easily replaceable. It was particularly piss.
It's like making a forest of fire trees. Sure you could have roughly the same effect with normal wood, but the fluff is different and you wouldn't want to touch trees in a piss/fire forest.
Same with enemies, abilities, the availability of piss, the possible motivations of some evil king in a piss kingdom, the "think of me every time you take a piss", thing etc,
It's different. It can of course be overdone, but it adds a different flavor to the campaign.


>>49171404
>"person compelled to violence by someone being an irreconcilable idiot."
I see you like people being beat up for not thinking what you think they should be thinking.
Have you been bullied so much that you internalized it and are projecting?


>>49171443
i had arguments. You had insults.

>>49171452
>word salad
You have done nothing but sling insults without arguments at me.

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Sometimes, magical realm happens in a meta-context.

In my campaign, one of our female players is playing the male tank of the group and I'm the male spellcaster. She's maybe genderqueer and almost certainly bi in irl, so the tank turned out to be gay. And is in love with my character. Which is awesome in its own way, because I would love to fuck her senseless irl. I think I'm the only one completely aware of the fact that the reverse of real life is going on in the game right now (someone mad wanting to knock boots with someone who's oblivious to their attraction).

>>49171465
Those are both things that can happen in D&D though. But yeah, you're right.

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>>49171540
It's a "it's fine if a woman does it" episode

>>49171574
It only really comes out in the campaign itself as the tank being really protective over the my spellcaster and my spellcaster just thinking that he's his best bro of all time. The tank's also a pally, so he's ultra conflicted about the allure of playing competitive Hide-the-Pickle, so his attraction has helped move his character arc along. Until the revelation that he was gay, the DM was having trouble challenging his oath when he's got an INT of 9 and is basically Superman levels of boy scout when he does realize something isn't kosher.

>>49171574

wut

You straw man?

My brother would absolutely refuse to play Birthright campaigns with his old collage roommate, because they all ended up being way to impregnation fetishy.

>>49171506
>degenerates?
OH. MY. GOD.

This is the most fucking conceited and vacuous insult ever. People saying this unironically, and not just in character for some 40k bullshit makes me weep for this community.
Or are we being invaded by /pol/ or something.

>>49171514
Nothing is intrinsically different if you color the piss blue and call it water.

Also, for a guy trying to defend a stupid comic, you don't really seem to appreciate what "stupid" is, despite embodying it.

Like, you just tried to call diaper-wearing incontinent bears "somewhat interesting enemies."

No. Those are stupid. They might very well be designed to be stupid, but the person who made the comic just isn't really all that good at being absurd and instead just settled for "forest encounter plus diapers" because they might just be as stupid as you are.

And, so far, you've had zero good points, which is why calling you an idiot isn't just warranted, it's neccesary.

>>49171744

Wow, this is the first time I've seen someone sperg out over being called a degenerate.

>>49171744
>tumblr triggered by being called degenerate

Stop being a degenerate if you don't want to be called one. It doesn't take someone from /pol/ to recognize someone so far gone that they've got mental issues.

>>49171784

You're wasting your time, he's probably the 3aboo that's been invading threads for the last few weeks.

>>49168688
>since it involves sharing your fetishes with people who aren't specifically looking for weird sex stuff.
Yet bronies, furries and other weirdos stamp their fetish on as much shit as possible. They even do it IRL.

>>49171864
He's more likely one of the ETBAs, considering how triggered he is.

>>49171906

Meh, most of the people that get called ETBA are people who've called third edition shit.

Besides, everyone knows the only ETBA around /tg/ is the 3aboo considering how often he shows up just to sperg out over people not liking his pet game.

>>49171784
>Nothing is intrinsically different if you color the piss blue and call it water.
Everything is. The feeling of the adventure would be different.
People wouldn't be able to conjure water out of nothing while in the desert.
People wouldn't be hesitant to touch the monsters.
The abilities of the wizard would probably not provoke disgust in people.
You generally have more water available than piss outside of the realm of piss.
A king of a piss kingdom would have radically different motivations than the king of the water kingdom.
and these are just things visible in the comic.

There is not a long text explaining why the elements of each picture were enjoyable, because it is a comic not a thesis, but it is implied that they were.

>you're stupid, the comic is stupid
>yet again
great

>Like, you just tried to call diaper-wearing incontinent bears "somewhat interesting enemies."
In fact i did. Because if piss is the weakness of a piss wizard, or something then that is mechanically interesting.
Otherwise it's interesting in fluff, because the enemies fit the theme.
It mixes things up a little. Just because "eeewww it's pee xD" doesn't make this any less valid a point.
>forest encounter with diapers
it's better than "forest encounter with normal bears #63231"

>>49171827
>>49171856
>people unironically using the word degenerate.
Just because someone likes things that you or indeed the majority don't like, doesn't mean you have any right to call them the modern trendy replacement for "sub-human"

I mean you're on 4chan discussing playing pretend games.
You definitely are not to call people out on liking things the majority doesn't.

And no, "not having a weird prudish attitude to anything sexual being mentioned" is not any worse out of the norm than grown men playing pretend.

>>49171976
Oh look, an ETBA.

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>>49172031

>He doesn't agree with me
>must be ETBA

>>49172002
You seem adept at missing the point and typing a lot of nonsense.

It's not even worth going through each point to explain how stupid you are. Even just a quick quote makes you look like an idiot not worth talking to.

>forest encounter with diapers
>it's better than "forest encounter with normal bears #63231"

And, we're done.

Nice bait, degenerate, but you're really just too stupid to take seriously anymore.

>>49172002

I'll call you a degenerate when you do creepy/weird/uncouth shit that makes me want to throw up in my mouth anon.

If you don't like being called a degenerate, either keep your weird fetishes to yourself like a normal person or take your business elsewhere amongst the rest of your kind.

>>49172083
>im a bitch and eternally triggered

That's why you're ETBA.

>>49172031

No, this >>49172002 is an eternally triggered bitch anon.

>>49172132

Can you stop trying to force your shitty meme?

It's already hard enough to have a conversation on this shitty fucking ass board.

>>49172112
So explain to me how weird sentient bears wearing diapers is now worse than yet another repetitive encounter?

I honestly am legitimately curious as to what the hell goes on in your head to make you choose boredom just because the other thing could be sexual for someone.

>>49172129
>I'll call you a degenerate when you do creepy/weird/uncouth shit that makes me want to throw up in my mouth anon.
Well in that case i'll call you a degenerate, because your almost victorian prudishness makes me want to fucking kill myself.

>either keep your weird fetishes to yourself like a normal person
>being a prode fuck and purging anything that could be a fetish out of your game is normal

Only in fucking america which was founded by moral prudes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4p0uw42cdo

>>49172152
>>49172132
the fuck is an etba?

>>49172206
It's an eternally triggered bitch anon.

They get triggered when anyone mentions 3rd edition, so they need to bitch about it, and since people will never stop talking about 3rd edition, the will be eternally triggered.

Don't worry about it though. They're just dumb trolls, and all you have to do is call them an ETBA and watch them self-destruct.

>>49172206

>Well in that case i'll call you a degenerate, because your almost victorian prudishness makes me want to fucking kill myself.

Most people don't want to deal with degenerates who get off to diaper shit and piss anon.

In fact, I cannot think of a healthy human being who willingly drinks piss or jerks off into a used diaper for sexual gratification.

>>49172201
Can you stop being eternally triggered?
Or, at the very least, stop being a bitch, anon?

>>49172206

Wow, >>49172152 was right, Eternally Triggered Bitch Anon, no doubt about it.

>>49172206
>victorian prudishness
>for thinking bears wearing diapers is dumber than just bears

Long live the Queen then.

>>49168837
I'm pretty sure the comic was just an excuse to make a ton of bad pee jokes.

>>49172252
Do they like 3rd edition or do they hate it?

>>49172254
>i can't stand your sexuality so i don't want to deal with you
please conform more to the prudish american stereotype.

Also the piss forest was just an example used to say that people have literally no reason to be so fucking hostile about others bringing up fetish shit.
How does it hurt you?
What does it matter if someone gets off on it?

>>49172306
>for thinking bears wearing diapers is dumber than just bears
No, for thinking that bears wearing diapers is always worse than just normal bears.

Seriously.
Please tell me what the fuck the harm is in engaging with a setting like that.
Please.

And don't just tell me "because i don't want to". I want to know WHY.

>>49172252

>They get triggered when anyone mentions 3rd edition
>First mention of 3rd edition was in reference to the "erotic" expansions they released for 3rd edition.

Should also be noted, first post in response to "3aboo" being used was some bitch anon who got butthurt over being called a degenerate.

But no, keep forcing this shitty meme in the hopes that you make it big on (you)'s.

>>49172368
>Do they like 3rd edition or do they hate it?

Neither. They like being eternally triggered, and with 4e not really being popular anymore, they need something else to complain about.

>>49172368
It's like watching some retarded dog bite its own tail off then get mad at us for it.

>>49172368

>How does it hurt you?

It makes me throw up from the thought of some beluga spanking his vienna sausage to someone shitting in a diaper and eating it.

So I guess if you count malnutrition as "harm," that's one way it hurts me.

>What does it matter if someone gets off on it?

It doesn't, until people like you feel the need to shove your weird fetishes down my throat while expecting me to accept it with open arms, as if you're a fag coming out of the closet.

I couldn't care less what sort of fetishes you enjoy, just don't tell me about it and if you do, don't expect not to be call you a degenerate.

>>49172409
It should be noted that no one really cared about the use of 3aboo, and the person was offended by someone using "degenerate" (with emphasis on their horror at the idea that it can be used unironically), rather than someone calling 3aboo's degenerate.

So, quit being triggered.
Also, lose the bitchiness.

>>49172252
>call them an ETBA and watch them self-destruct.
What the hell is ETBA?

>>49172409
>first post in response to "3aboo" being used was some bitch anon who got butthurt over being called a degenerate.
I was the anon displeased with the usage of the word "degenerate" and i also have no idea what this whole 3aboo shit is.
presumably people who like 3rd ed?

>>49172484
You have still not provided any actual arguments, just insults.
But sure keep thinking that you're totally the superior nondegenerate intelligent being here.

>>49172501
>from the thought of some beluga spanking his vienna sausage
a) no one is forcing you to think that
b) if someone did that, how does it hurt you?
this is like muslims saying that females should be covered at all times, because seeing such sexual parts like a thigh or an ankle makes them think of all the vile sexual acts they commit with their possibly ugly husbands and that makes them throw up.

Also all fat women should wear bags over their heads, because looking at them makes me imagine them having sex and that's disgusting.

>>49172501
>just don't tell me about it
Why not?
Why are you refusing to accept others fetishes?
What makes your fetishes any less disgusting?

>>49172530

Wouldn't >>49171906 be an example of someone caring about someone using 3aboo though?

I mean, as soon as it was used, the dude started calling him an ETBA, which is almost exactly what that one troll does in every thread he showed up in.

>>49172573

You are literally getting off to ingesting bodily waste and somehow I'm being unreasonable in saying that I don't want to hear about it?

Why do you feel the need to share your sexual preferences so much?

>>49172643
Not really. Guy doesn't even call the guy who uses 3aboo an ETBA, but the guy that guy was calling a 3aboo.

Also, if you don't want to be called an ETBA, you shouldn't be so obviously an eternally triggered bitch. Anon, you might want to think about not being a troll before you call other people them.

>>49172573
I'm just the peanut gallery, and rather than examining your argument, let's examine your behavior in this thread, as that's what this is really about. I couldn't give a Rat's Ass about who's right in this argument, nor do I care to. What's happening is that every small remark, every snide comment, and every statement against your cause sends you on a tirade of posts, all of which can be read as angry stupidity rather than actual cases in an arguments. Who gives a fuck what you're fighting over, you're angry, easily triggered, and fun to watch.

>>49172723
>Why do you feel the need to share your sexual preferences so much?
That's not what we're talking about.

The comic wasn't about masturbating to piss.
The comic was about making an adventure around a concept that is ALSO for some people a fetish.

I mean if i have tiles in a dungeon now am i an asshole, because some guy gets off to it?

The fact that someone gets off to something doesn't make that something inherently bad, and you're being unreasonable to hate it, unless a sexual act itself is described in vivid detail, but even then you could simply choose to ignore it.

>>49172795
>The comic was about making an adventure around a concept that is ALSO for some people a fetish.

You mean a comic about making an adventure around piss.

How the fuck are people even still trying to defend that.

>>49172769

The only people I've seen using ETBA unironically was people who have made it their duty to derail threads JUST because someone ITT mentioned how they didn't like some aspect of 3rd edition.

I'm honestly more mad about you forcing the ETBA meme than I am about anything else, and it's mainly because I can see it being used to describe "people I don't like/don't agree with me" and making it even harder to have a decent discussion on this board simply because of how easy it can derail threads.

Anyways, I've wasted enough time with this.

>>49172773
>every small remark, every snide comment, and every statement against your cause sends you on a tirade of posts
That's generally how i am.
I once argued with a troll for 9 hours straight, until he stopped because of exhaustion.

I, contrary to others in this thread take every remark seriously and assume the other person has some reason for it, and don't just dismiss people as stupid, so naturally i try to argue against every small thing.

And no i actually did have arguments.

>>49172831
>How the fuck are people even still trying to defend that.
How the fuck are people even still trying to argue against that

Look if you present no arguments, you're not going to get anywhere.
I clearly won't just back down and say something like "yeah.. actually now that i think about it... piss? sexual fetishes possibly? eewwwww disgusting... it's wrong to bring it into a nice game of bloody murder and necromancy"

You see it as inherently awful without any actual reason, and i don't see it as inherently awful.
Just reminding me of the subject matter and presenting it as absurd won't win the argument, precisely because i don't think it to be absurd.

>>49172795

>The comic was about making an adventure around a concept that is ALSO for some people a fetish.

Y'mean a comic that's based around one degenerate who tried to base an entire adventure around piss, pissing, and drinking piss?

Tell me something, why do you feel the need to broadcast your sexual preferences into your campaigns, without your player's consent?

>>49172921
>Tell me something, why do you feel the need to broadcast your sexual preferences into your campaigns, without your player's consent?
I don't feel the need to do so.
My first post ITT was how i would love to be in a campaign like that, because i think exploring a concept i don't usually explore because it's not my fetish would be interesting and fun for a roleplaying game that is not too gritty serious.

>>49172891
>I, contrary to others in this thread take every remark seriously and assume the other person has some reason for it.

>On 4chan

Well, found your fucking problem!

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>>49172891

>I once argued with a troll for 9 hours straight, until he stopped because of exhaustion.

That's not something to be proud of mate.

>You see it as inherently awful without any actual reason

No, I find it inherently awful because it's gross and it makes me uncomfortable because a) drinking piss isn't healthy and b) I now know that you whack off to someone doing it.

>>49172976

>My first post ITT was how i would love to be in a campaign like that, because i think exploring a concept i don't usually explore because it's not my fetish would be interesting and fun for a roleplaying game that is not too gritty serious.

Maybe people don't explore it because most people don't want to have an adventure based around some nerd's sexual kinks?

Or maybe it's because most people would leave before the end of the first session because it makes them uncomfortable?

>>49172869
What's amazing is that the ultimate thesis seems to be that it's really not so much about any edition of any system, but just that people like you really need to be eternally triggered and are bitchy. It's less "people who disagree with me are ETBA" and more "Wow, it's really easy to identify ETBA's. It's sad they think they're not obvious and that they don't stand out."

But, you're right, and enough of this derailment about just how bitchy people want to be and how much of a bitch one can be.

>>49172994
>makes me uncomfortable
inherently
>a)
that's scientifically wrong.
there are even medical conditions when eating feces is a good idea.
>b)
I actually don't, and so what if you know it?
Why do you care? I don't demand that fat people hide themselves because seeing them i know they sometimes have sex or masturbate.

>>49173034
>Maybe people don't explore it because most people don't want to have an adventure based around some nerd's sexual kinks?
This is what i'm trying to figure out.
Why not?
Why do sexual topics make american people so fucking uncomfortable?

>>49172891
>Look if you present no arguments, you're not going to get anywhere.

You're defending a piss adventure. No matter how much you type, how convoluted your ideas are or how pretentious you make yourself out to be, you're still just defending a piss adventure.

>precisely because i don't think it to be absurd.

And that makes you more absurd, rather than it less.
What are you even trying to argue at this point? That you can argue that a piss adventure isn't absurd?

Yes, you can argue, but not well or convincingly, leaving all of us treating you like a degenerate.

>>49173173
>you're still just defending a piss adventure.
Yes i am, and you have said nothing to convince me i shouldn't.

>That you can argue that a piss adventure isn't absurd?
Yes.
I don't understand why you would say that it is.
And unless you provide proof for your claim that it's supposed to be inherently absurd you're not in the right, treating it as inherently absurd.

>>49173090

>there are even medical conditions when eating feces is a good idea.

Can you cite them?

>Why do you care?

Because now I know what you jack off to and it makes me really uncomfortable?

>Why do sexual topics make american people so fucking uncomfortable?

I cannot think of anyone, American or not, who wouldn't feel uncomfortable watching a grown man drinking his own piss or rubbing feces all over himself for sexual gratification.

This isn't a discussion about some puritan getting into a tizzy about fucking doggy style anon, this is about you basically asking "why do disgusting things make people uncomfortable" and not expecting a back-handed response in kind.

>>49173213

>Yes i am, and you have said nothing to convince me i shouldn't.

Aside from various anons telling you that it'd make your players feel uncomfortable and that the vast majority of the human population doesn't want to be involved in a story about human excrement.

>I don't understand why you would say that it is.

You're having a campaign about a piss forest, fighting piss golems, meeting a wizzard, saving a piss princess, killing a piss dragon, and somehow this doesn't strike you as bizarre?

>>49173213
This next part is going to be a little offtopic, so avoid it if you're squeemish.

Are you virtualoptim? You basically are acting just like him, and you post exactly with his style and motivations. I'm basically convinced at this point, but since you might try to take it as me casually insulting you rather than correctly identifying you, I've left this bit spoilered so as to not make you think I'm just ad homineming.

It's really easy to call it inherently absurd. Piss is not like water, and an ocean of piss is absurd. Bears wearing diapers is also absurd, even moreso than them wearing clothes because bears have no need for diapers because they shit in the woods.

Hell, everything about the idea is absurd, and it's hardly worth the effort of explaining each point in detail.

I'm sorry, but if you think you can exhaust people just by acting like an idiot, all you're going to do is parade around like an idiot. And, if you're just going to do that, put on a trip so you can warn people not to take you seriously and so that you can get banned again.

>>49168156

I had a dm who brought in his actually 10000 year old dragon loli npc into a game. There are definitely those kind of people out there.

>>49173217
>can you cite them
antibiotics side effects
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/gastroenterology_hepatology/clinical_services/advanced_endoscopy/fecal_transplantation.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/19/swallowing-human-faeces-will-cure-disease-nhs-say/

>I know what you jack off to and it makes me really uncomfortable?
You are repeating the question.
Why the hell would knowing this make you uncomfortable?

> "why do disgusting things make people uncomfortable"
again, neither the comic nor i mentioned the PCs drinking anyone's piss.
And if shambling rotting diseased corpses walking about and trying to bite you are A-OK then i don't know why something else drinking a mostly safe and somewhat (albeit not completely) sterile fluid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urophagia)
is somehow unacceptably disgusting.

>>49173280
>Aside from various anons telling you that it'd make your players feel uncomfortable and that the vast majority of the human population doesn't want to be involved in a story about human excrement.
That was not my question.
I am not running anything i would like to play something like that and i don't understand why others wouldn't.
How the fuck can people be okay with human corpses but semi sterile piss would make them super uncomfortable.

>somehow this doesn't strike you as bizarre?
It strikes me as bizarre, but that's the point.
Having undead, and wizards and necromancers and semi intelligent ogres and multiple different humanoid species also strikes me as bizarre.
I don't see how bizarre is bad.

>>49173346
>virtualoptim
I have been compared to that person before but i really am not.

>and an ocean of piss is absurd.
Absurdity is what defines a lot of fantasy, and which makes it extraordinary to deal with.
>absurd, even moreso
Which makes it even more interesting.
Having a campaign about absurd things would be fun and not absurd. It would be absurd to try and extract fun out of a roleplaying game about completely ordinary things.

>>49173346
Nah, Virt wouldn't go this far to be an SJW, and this guy hasn't mentioned his Guro fetish once. The only reason he seems similar is because all Impotent rage sounds the same.

>>49173545

>Why the hell would knowing this make you uncomfortable?

Because I don't want to know what gets your jollies off? Is it that hard to understand?

>again, neither the comic nor i mentioned the PCs drinking anyone's piss.

It literally had a panel that basically had the DM describing a troll who wouldn't let them pass unless they pissed in its mouth?

>And if shambling rotting diseased corpses walking about and trying to bite you are A-OK then i don't know why something else drinking a mostly safe and somewhat (albeit not completely) sterile fluid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urophagia)
is somehow unacceptably disgusting.

I'm not trying to eat the zombie for starters.

>>49173608
>virtualoptim
>I have been compared to that person before but i really am not.

That... may be the last thing you should have admitted on here. It's official, we no longer have to take anything this guy says.

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>>49172795
> tiles

>>49173649
It's more of just the whole "respond to everyone in the same post" and "troll for the sake of trolling" that he's doing that makes him feel similar, but I guess there's enough stupidity in this world for there to be two such idiots.

Either way, I think it's basically understood there's no point in continuing to debate with this guy, since he's clearly intending to do it forever with increasing levels of convolution and inanity.

Kinda wish he'd put on a trip though, so we can avoid this in the future.

>>49173649
>hasn't mentioned his Guro fetish once
See i for example find guro, and gore in general to be insufferably disgusting, and i have a reason to, because it involves definitively harmful things (like a feeling being dying).
If it doesn't involve that, and instead involves zombies, which were already dead beforehand, i don't complain, despite finding the image of a rotting corpse generally not appealing.

>>49173704
>Is it that hard to understand?
Yes.
Why not?
Why is it a problem to know that about someone?
How is it any worse than knowing what kind of character you like playing or what edition you prefer?
Just because something is sexual gives you no reason to shun it.

>>49173704
>It literally had a panel that basically had the DM describing a troll who wouldn't let them pass unless they pissed in its mouth?
The PCs didn't do the piss drinking.

If you forced me to eat the zombie, or if the GM had forced the players to drink the piss, then that would have been a valid complaint.

As long as i hit the rotting corpse (the piss elementals) and am forced to bury the undead so they won't rise again (piss in the trolls mouth).
I don't see the problem.

>>49173747
I would really just like to get a better reason for your behavior than "we don't want to have anything to do with sexual things, because those are inherently bad"

For some reason, reading this thread, this is all I keep hearing...
[embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhvDMhrws1o[/embed]
Somehow appropriate.

>>49173815

>Just because something is sexual gives you no reason to shun it.

You're the one who forced ME to learn of YOUR sexual kinks when I never wanted to learn.

If you force me to learn that detail about yourself, don't get butthurt when I spread the word and everyone within the tri-state area knows that you're a weirdo who should be avoided at all costs.

You're mentally ill and I can already see why you'd waste 9 hours of your life arguing with a "troll," you literally have nothing better to do with your life.

>The PCs didn't do the piss drinking.

Stop arguing semantics.

>>49173922
No. Stop. Bad.

Just leave him alone.
He can literally be stupid forever, and in fact, he can actually get dumber with each post he makes.

There's no point in proving that further.

>>49173922
What the hell are you even on about.
You said
>Because I don't want to know what gets your jollies off? Is it that hard to understand?
That is not a valid point.
Why the hell would you not want to know that?
How is learning that about me any different from learning what edition of DnD i like, or what kind of pizza i prefer?

>If you force me to learn that detail about yourself, don't get butthurt when I spread the word and everyone within the tri-state area knows that you're a weirdo who should be avoided at all costs.
That would just make you a dick.

>Stop arguing semantics.
IT'S NOT SEMANTICS
You yourself fucking said
>I'm not trying to eat the zombie for starters.
And i'm not trying to make you drink the piss.
Just have it around

>>49173962
You know this "you're so stupid" think you push constantly is a slight bit ironic when you still refuse to give any sort of argument for why introducing fetish things to a game would be bad.
Well beyond your "if you can't see why it's bad you're too dumb to argue with".

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>>49174047

>Why the hell would you not want to know that?

If you have to ask why nobody would want to know how you get off to piss, diapers, and shit, then you honestly deserve to be blacklisted from every game you try to join.

This is the last response you get from me, I got better things to do than argue with some sperg for 9 hours.

>>49174162
>then you honestly deserve to be blacklisted from every game you try to join.
And you still have not given me one argument.

"if you don't agree with me you are too dumb and deserve to suffer"
Great attitude.
I know that you grew up in a society that has sexual things on a weird pedestal where they are somehow glorified and shouldn't be spoken about in company, but this makes no sense.
Especially not in a game that is about exploring weird concepts like magic, half animals half humans, sentient animals, different humanoids, supernatural heroes, different planes/dimensions etc.

>>49168632
>being reasonable
GET THIS GUY OUTTA HERE

>Someone unironically defending magical realmdom
>Someone unironically arguing for HOURS over how it's completely normal for him to shove his fetish in everyone's faces

why do I even come to this shithole board anymore

>>49174299
I'm not defending showing my fetish in others faces, but i am defending magical realm, because i do not see how something would be bad simply for the reason that it is someone's fetish, and i also do not get how incorporating an element of a fetish into a game would be as bad as showing my fetish into their faces.

>>49174375
*shoving

>>49174375

You don't get it because your're a degenerate who believes that everyone should be as comfortable about eating shit as you are.

>>49174460
>You don't get it because your're a degenerate who believes that everyone should be as comfortable about eating shit as you are.
No.
But you shouldn't be unreasonable about it.

If your game involves the rotten diseased corpses of the dead shambling about and you having to fight them,
having to fight a monster made of semi sterile piss is not something that you should be so fucking upset about.

And i just plain fucking can't find any rational reason for why you would be.

>>49174551

It's not unreasonable to tell you that we're uncomfortable with shoving your fetish into our campaign.

Nor would it be unreasonable to leave once it was clear that you cared more about your fetishes than whether or not we were uncomfortable.

If you cannot accept that then either stop injecting your fetishes where they don't belong or run campaigns exclusively with people who also enjoy your fetishes.

>>49168156
Anyone got the original comic?

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>>49168156
your imagination is too limited. I don't even understand how you roleplay, how you even grasp the concept of roleplay with such a weak imagination. You are a breathing miracle of ignorance.

>>49174702
>It's not unreasonable to tell you that we're uncomfortable with shoving your fetish into our campaign.
Yes it is because you give no reason for that discomfort.
Muslims are uncomfortable with unveiled women.
That just means they're fucking prudes and dumb, it doesn't mean i should now dress all my female relatives in burkas.

I would also appreciate if you would not deal with this as if i wanted to run something.
I'd like to remind you that we were talking about me wanting to join a game with magical realm.
Because why couldn't a game have erotic things in them without being an all out freeform erp thing?

And no It would not be unreasonable to leave if it is clear that i cared more about fetishes as a GM than you being uncomfortable, but that option was never present, because i wouldn't GM and i most definitely would not dismiss my players being uncomfortable.

>run campaigns exclusively with people who also enjoy your fetishes.
Why is it wrong to explore things that might be sexual in the context of a roleplaying game? I might not be into zombie apocalypses and would still deal with the undead the GM sends out against us, and the consequences that would mean for society.
I do not understand why something sexual (in a game that was sufficiently weird and non serious realistic) would be different?

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For everyone that's sincerely trying to justify the "magical realm" unfunny meme, just stop it. Go discuss it in a forum, that's the best idea you could have. This is 4chan, so there are two major chances.
Chance number one: Who's yelling at you's just doing it for the sake of the flame. Which is understandable, everyone in here has done it at least once.
Chance number two: They're your usual /pol/-/r9k/ level posters who are so dumb (or socially handicapped) to sincerely believe in things like "durr, degenerates", when everyone who has at least played one single game with their friends at the table (a minority, trust me) knows that putting a bear with a diaper would result in "woah, bro, that's silly, ahahah!". But then again, they probably imagine normal friends as something like Chad and Stacies who immediately recognize a pissing fetish and start laughing at you and pulling down your pants and whatever autistic paranoia they have.
Well, I hope for the former choice, and also inform you all that you're really dumb, if you're actually and seriously discussing such a topic. And on 4chan, on top of all!

>>49174773

I don't understand. How is that not the right way to eat pizza? How the fuck do you eat it?You aren't one of those pizzaforkers are you?

>>49172002
>I know! I'll pretend to be triggered tumblrina! That'll show them, hehehe. Trollin trollin!

>>49174890
I'm sorry to disappoint you anon, but this isn't pretending.
I'm also not triggered.
Or from tumblr.

>>49174839
You're right.
I just thought... you know... /tg/ isn't like the rest of 4chan.

>>49174839
4chan isn't /b/.

Also, quit being a degenerate and stop being a dumb troll.

>>49174944
How can I be zealously pushing my "degenerate propaganda" while trolling carefreely? Decide, /pol/cuck.

>>49175020
I'm not even going to pretend you said anything worth saying, and you need to stop insisting that people have to.

You've crossed the troll line.

>>49174848
Fold it

>>49174836

We don't need some scientific reason for being uncomfortable, and nobody has to justify themselves to you just because you were born with neither shame nor self-awareness.

>>49175106
>We don't need some scientific reason for being uncomfortable, and nobody has to justify themselves to you
well no, but it would be nice if you had reasons for your actions.

>>49175045
Okay, okay, I was joking, fine.
Why do you people take this stuff so seriously? I don't get it. I mean, we should talk about games and how to make them fun, and somehow every thread becomes an ideological warfare. Can we chill? I mean, just for a bit. I understand that this thread was heated from the beginning, but damn.

>>49175132

Considering your behavior, you'd probably just ignore their feelings and continue pushing your fetish until people just leave out of disgust.

And I say this because people have already voiced reasons for why people would be uncomfortable.

>>49175046
You are the biggest degenerate in thread, anon

Lie down and think about that

>>49175203
>Considering your behavior, you'd probably just ignore their feelings and continue pushing your fetish until people just leave out of disgust.
Again i refer you to>>49174836
>It would not be unreasonable to leave if it is clear that i cared more about fetishes as a GM than you being uncomfortable, but that option was never present, because i wouldn't GM and i most definitely would not dismiss my players being uncomfortable.


>>49175203
>people have already voiced reasons for why people would be uncomfortable.
Where?
Please point to these reasons.
-They have said that ingesting excrement is not healthy and thus disgusting, and i replied that no one wanted to force them to ingest it and that it is not unhealthy.
-Apart from this they only repeatedly stated that they would be uncomfortable with it, and if i can't see why fetishes would make them uncomfortable i'm clearly too dumb to talk to.

>>49175203
You're talking with an insane person.

You know that point you just made? It won't enter his skull. It can't, because it would crush his ego, and he has a psychological need to preserve it.

>>49175290

People have said that it was disgusting/gross multiple times ITT.

You didn't notice because you were too busy asking stupid questions.

>>49175463
>People have said that it was disgusting/gross multiple times ITT.
>And I say this because people have already voiced reasons for why people would be uncomfortable.

So what is the reason for you thinking that it's disgusting?
You just continue repeating
"oh if you don't know why it's disgusting/uncomfortable to talk about fetish things, then you're dumb"

That's not an argument.
This is an argument:


>>49173815
>See i for example find guro, and gore in general to be insufferably disgusting, and i have a reason to, because it involves definitively harmful things (like a feeling being dying).
>If it doesn't involve that, and instead involves zombies, which were already dead beforehand, i don't complain, despite finding the image of a rotting corpse generally not appealing.

>>49175546

You are literally insane.

That other guy had the right idea, I'm through talking to you.

>>49168156
Artist who made the fan comic here. I just like dumb pee jokes. I thought the original comic was funny so I wanted to draw the goofy piss wizard.

>>49174716
http://gunshowcomic.com/471
Here you go. I tried to copy his style, but I can't match his sense of humor!

>>49176763

Liar. You like sniffing stale piss off people's thighs, you dirty boy. Don't even try to deny it.

>>49175546
You don't talk about your fetishes in an RP group for the same reason you don't talk about religion at work: it's not an appropriate venue and being ambushed/forced into it is inherently not acceptable. Don't be That Guy. If you're not sure if something makes you That Guy, it does.

>>49176763
I had a sense that the maker of this comic wasn't far from this thread. Something in the air, though I won't say what.

>>49177022

piss?

>>49177003
This kind of shit upsets me to no end.
Why is it not an appropriate venue?
Roleplaying is there to play around with weird concepts.
Playing pretend as adults is weird as shit.
So why wouldn't it be an appropriate venue to discuss stuff like that.

>>49177202

It's like trying to jam it in a girl's ass when all she wanted was a quickie in the bathroom.

She *might* be into that but odds are you're going to get her angry and the mood ruined.

>>49177295

You're wasting your time mate.

He's just going to say "well why would she get mad about anal if she was already in the mood" or some shit like that and claim that you didn't give an "actual" reason for why it ends up that way.

>>49177202
Because "playing pretend" is not a license to be a creep, and it's people like you that seem intent on keeping roleplaying games perpetually maligned.

There is nothing wrong with having an imagination as an adult, nor with playing games. But there is something wrong with misconstruing a pastime into masturbation fuel, especially at the expense of other people.

It's like birdwatching, but only to masturbate to those birds.
Or stamp collecting, but only to masturbate to those stamps.
Or tending bonsai, but only to masturbate to tiny trees.

In your pursuit of masturbation, you've forgotten all the more important parts of those activities, and will inevitably end up sacrificing them in part in order to satisfy your sexual urges.

It's fucked up on quite a few levels.

But, you already knew that, and are just hoping to kindle up another argument.

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>>49177202
>playing RPGs is weird, so it's not really any weirder to inject fetishes and eroticism into them without prior acknowledgement from the other players

Wasn't this comic just illustrating a group of friends having wrongbadfun?

Like that screencap about the game with Yellow Dragons. It was a shitty game, with shitty players, in a shitty setting, with shitty characters. Yet he was describing how, by giving it a chance, he managed to get much enjoyment out of it.

>>49168156
The comic just gave a snappy name to a thing that was happening all the time.

>>49168201
I've noticed this doesn't happen if the DM is in a healthy relationship. Also most players who are in relationships seems much more tuned into detecting 'magical realm' elements then those without a relationship.

>>49174773
>>49174848
>>49175046
I eat it crust-first. Rather than being stuck with the realtively tasteless crust later, I want to get it out of the way first and savor the taste of the pizza itself later.

>KCGreen is literally going back and redoing comics about all his most popular comics to make mad cash off merchandise and shit

HE FINALLY SOLD OUT
GOD BLESS THE MAN

>>49168156
I can confirm it is real. I did impose my fetish on my players ehule I was GM.

>>49168632
>>49174282
Yeah man, this is 4chin. Go back to Le Reddit or 9fag if you want rational behaviour and sensible human communication.

>>49180101
Basically this.

Human sexuality is weird and complex. Hell, being attracted to tits and/or ass could be considered a fetish. You name it, someone's jacked off to it.

Hence, a lot of common fantasy/sci-fi setpieces involve semi-common fetishes.

>Being eaten by a giant monster
>Mind control
>Being kidnapped and tied up
>Having someone choke you until you black out
>Anthropomorphic animals

You can probably name ten children's cartoons that include one or more of those.

Just like a heterosexual teenage boy might put up a poster of a bikini model, someone with a foot fetish might put an extreme close-up of someone's toes into one of his films.

"Magical realms" are basically when it becomes obvious that the writer is getting fixated on a certain element (and it's probably one of their kinks). Examples...

>Attack On Titan featuring many, many shots of young adults being swallowed alive.
>Gnolls, Kobolds and beast races being all over D&D.
>Psionics.
>The hired assassin is female, wears leather, and gets off on killing.
>One episode they're disguised as maids. Next they're nurses. Then they're schoolgirls.

If at any point your players think that you're going to jerk off to the session notes, you've written a magical realm.

>>49180685
>Attack On Titan
>being swallowed alive.
Titans normally chew or at least bite down before swallowing

>>49180710
1. Some people are into that.
2. There's at least one scene in the anime of a live human being chilling out in the mouth/stomach of a titan without being bitten in half.

I mean sure maybe the writer didn't have a vore fetish. But come on, one of the storyboard artists was LOVING his job for a while there.

>>49180685
>You name it, someone's jacked off to it.
if i had the time i would dig up the screencaps of the guy that jerked it to an airshow and the one who gets turned on by washing machines with bricks in them

>>49180946
>washing machines with bricks in them
That is an awfully specific fetish. How one even arrives to a point like that? Like, do you just realize one day that washing socks doesn't do anything to you anymore, and you need to turn to harder stuff?

A common theme ITT seems to be not wanting to be exposed to things without prior (informed) consent. Could it be that anons need trigger warnings so that they can safely navigate the rp space

>>49180759
Nah, i wasn't saying it wasn't. Just autistically correcting your point
Titans don't eat their prey as much as they murder it with their mouths
The scene you are describing is kind of a plot point, so you are right.

>>49180999
Common courtesy, anon.

>>49181131
Do you have to give your players a reach around too?

>>49180999

No, the common theme ITT is dealing with one sperg who needs to be explained why shoving your diaper fetish into a game is inappropriate.

I mean, if you're planning on having a campaign revolve around your fetish, it'd be nice to be given an opportunity to back out before session 0.

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>>49172891
>this nigga got baited for nine hours straight
>thinks he won

Please never leave 4chan, we need more "brave internet heroes" such as yourself.

>>49177404
>making something sexual makes it bad

fuck off already you have still given no arguments for this
analogies won't help as i said, because i do not see the main point.
Why something sexual would immediately make something unacceptable.

>>49177509
Why do you regard eroticism as something so bad? It wasn't even about forcing the PCs to do something sexual it was about including something that could be fetish fuel for some.

>>49182512

>analogies won't help as i said, because I'm too autistic to understand social cues.

FTFY

>>49182512
>a troll wakes up

Go back to bed. Or, put on a trip so people can filter your dumb ass.

>>49182602
If it makes me autistic to want an actual rational reason for social norms then call me autismo the great autist.

>>49182642

Okay autismo the great autist, now fuck off.

>>49182642
>If it makes me autistic to want social norms explained...
...almost by definition, it does strongly suggest you are.

>>49182642
Use that as your trip.

>>49182672
Maybe. I don't know.

>>49182704
here

>>49182723
That's a name, not a trip.
Take a trip so you can be filtered properly, thank you.

>>49182723
Maybe see a doctor about it.

>>49182642
I'm genuinely not meaning to insult you by telling you this. You are almost certainly autistic. It's fine if you can't understand why fetishism makes people uncomfortable, but you shouldn't try to argue to people that it shouldn't, especially in a TTRPG setting, because that will result in your ostracism. Sexuality is a thing that 99% of humanity require to be private affair, otherwise they get uncomfortable.

>>49182806
Yes but the point here is that the things mentioned were not overtly sexual.
The party didn't have to drink piss or masturbate or anything like that.
There was just some element (piss) included that might have been seen as sexual by some.

And again, while i know that most people are uncomfortable discussing sexual topics, i do not see the reason why. Especially not in a setting like a roleplaying game where other things like death, murder and shambling hordes of undead are discussed regularly.
How can overt sexual acts be okay on game of thrones but things that might be sexual for some are TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS in a ttrpg setting?

>>49182865
>And again, while i know that most people are uncomfortable discussing sexual topics, i do not see the reason why.

You probably never will see why. This is fine, not all humans have the same intuition regarding this. You're going to have be satisfied in not understanding. Pushing this point in real life would be a social disaster.

>Hey guys I'm going to play a dragonborn
fine
>paladin with 18 CHA and 18 STR
yeah cool
>...FEMALE...
oh here we go

>>49182969

That doesn't sound too bad, Paladins need high Charisma and Strength, and Dragonborn are perfectly capable of fulfilling that.

Nothing wrong with the Paladin being female either, what's the absolute worst that could happen? The character tries to get fucked by something or has large, scaled breasts? Those are things that will get pointed out and discussed for a minute or less before you move on to more important things, like personality or the plot.

>>49182969
>22 Base Str
I smell a reroll for stats.

>>49182865

You sound like that weird (fat) kid in the back of the cafeteria who eats his own boogers and wonders why nobody wants to sit with him.

The answer is simple, people get uncomfortable around different shit, it's not your job to ask why but to keep your weird kinks to yourself and to respect the other person's boundaries enough to understand why a forest of piss wouldn't be appropriate to introduce within your setting (even ironically).

And trying to press the issue just makes you sound like an autist (at best) or a degenerate who doesn't give a fuck about anyone else but himself (at worse).

If you honestly want to know why people don't want to talk about sexual themes, read about in a psychology book, not on 4chan.

>>49183070

In 5e, you only get a +2 CHA/+1 STR for being a dragonborn IIRC.

>>49183126
Base 21 is still fishy.

>>49183140

18+2 is 20 and 18+1 is 19 anon.

Does your handler know that you have access to the internet?

There is literally nothing wrong with magical realm.

>>49183182

t. sexual deviant

>>49182512
I know the perfect group for you anon:
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/47852646

>>49182919
>You're going to have be satisfied in not understanding.
AHHAH
no
Things that have no rational reason need to go. The world is rational and if you behave irrationally that is a detriment to you/society.

> it's not your job to ask why
Yes it is.
It's everyone's job to ask why, except you people seem content with doing something some way just because it's been like that where you live for a long time.
This is the kind of attitude why boys in the US are circumcised.
And see this is the problem:
There are literally no reasons apart from sexuality being repressed as shit in most western societies. So i wanted to know why YOU personally, being in a place like 4chan still would find it inappropriate to have a piss forest where nothing sexual happens.

>>49175106
Great, so it's totally alright for me to kick gays, niggers, females, and anyone who doesn't hold the same political opinion as me from my games.
Wait, that sounds like exactly what a SJW would do, only with different targets.

Fucking weird.
You have weird sexual hangups, to the point you're literally acting like a sjw

>>49180586
Saving the crust gives you not only a place to hold it without folding in in half, but also acts as a palate cleanser so each slice is like eating the first

>>49168837
Did you miss the end where he's still a creep anyway?

>>49183388
They're your games. You don't have to play with anyone you don't like.

>>49183388

If you don't want to play with gays, niggers, females, etc. then you don't have to run a game for them.

Same as people don't have to play with a racist, sexist, homophobic degenerate autist who injects piss, shit, and diapers into his campaigns because he doesn't see a problem with people being uncomfortable and gets offended when people tell him to stop.

>>49168156
/tg/ is mostly inhabited by pathetic losers who have never even played an RPG before, and they are the source of almost all of the "That Guy", "epik storytiem", alignment, and "magical realm" shitposting you see here.

They are desperate for attention so they make up ridiculous bullshit, and it works because they're actually the majority of posters on the board. It's disgusting, but I see no way to fix it.

>>49183300

What reasoning would you give for the piss forest that wouldn't make you look like a weirdo autismo?

Because I'm genuinely curious how you'd spin this around if anyone asked you why.

>>49183512
It's magic so it doesn't need to be explained anymore than anything else in fantasy.

Your disgust by it however, does need to be explained as there is nothing inherently damaging about fetishes yet you are acting as if it's traumatizing.

>>49183512
Why would a gm planning to include that need a reason?
And again
I'M NOT SAYING I WANT TO RUN SOMETHING LIKE THIS
IM SAYING ID WANT SOMEONE TO RUN SOMETHING LIKE THIS

Was this clear enough?

Anyway a gm running something like this would simply say it's interesting/something different.
If you can not see how to make some seemingly ridiculous topic compelling (like pee in this case) then that's your own shortcoming.

I mean the line is pretty fucking burry anyway.
If instead of piss you had goo, that would still be a fetish to some and yet it's already kinda part of DnD.

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>>49183300
>Things that have no rational reason need to go. The world is rational and if you behave irrationally that is a detriment to you/society.

I cannot stress enough how this is an obvious indicator of autism. I'm not joking or attempting to insult you, I'm just telling you that your entire post is just a great big red flag saying "my brain isn't wired up the normal way".

>>49169871
>Why do you care if someone gets off on something?

In private, get off to whatever you want. But I'm not obliged to celebrate your lust for lesbian midget Lolitas dressed like shit-covered teddy bears, so don't be fucking stunned if you trot out a weird fetish for all to see and get judged on it.

Your weird fetish - and pretty much everyone has one - is best shared with like-minded individuals and not people whose interest in the same is uncertain.

>>49183300
Completely scorning a basic, universal pattern of behaviour because you fail to grasp it is highly irrational. By your own logic, you need to go.

>>49183615
Then that makes autists much better that degenerate who act on emotion
>omg I'm grosses out lets lash out violently against something that poses no danger to myself
Violence: Okay
Sex: Nope

I'll take that autistic guy over the reactionaries in this thread any day

>>49183564

>It's magic so it doesn't need to be explained anymore than anything else in fantasy.

It does need to be explained, because even if you use magic as an excuse, people will still want to know the thought process behind making an entire forest made out of piss.

I mean, out of the dozens of possible liquids you could've chosen, your first instinct was piss?

>>49183574

>I'M NOT SAYING I WANT TO RUN SOMETHING LIKE THIS
>IM SAYING ID WANT SOMEONE TO RUN SOMETHING LIKE THIS

Nobody is going to run a game like this and even if they are, they're either doing so ironically or they're weirdos who won't be having a third session once people realize what's happening.

>I mean the line is pretty fucking burry anyway.

It's blurry because you're an autist who doesn't understand basic human interaction and think that we're being weird for telling you to stop being a weirdo.

There's a reason why 99.9% of books don't feature a forest made of human waste and why the ones that do are generally limited to the dark annals of fanfiction.net where nobody would ever read it.

>>49183615
That may be, i stated that above.
My point still stands though. If you do things without rational reason you end up with things like the circumcision problem in the US.

>>49183629
> is best shared with like-minded individuals and not people whose interest in the same is uncertain.
This is the part i don't get.
What harm is there in exploring something you're not into (yet). It doesn't have to be overtly sexual. The people in the comic didn't engage in ERP.

>>49183633
>Completely scorning a basic, universal pattern of behaviour because you fail to grasp it is highly irrational.
Abiding by a pattern of behavior which you can give no valid reasons for however is worse.

>>49182311
>I mean, if you're planning on having a campaign revolve around your fetish, it'd be nice to be given an opportunity to back out before session 0.
In effect, a content or trigger warning

>>49183656

>Then that makes autists much better that degenerate who act on emotion

So you would rather play with degenerates who think that a wizzard who controls his own piss is a compelling character?

Y'know what, you do you boo-boo. Just make sure to warn everyone else so they know which GM's to steer clear of in the game store.

>>49183673
>Nobody is going to run a game like this and even if they are, they're either doing so ironically or they're weirdos who won't be having a third session once people realize what's happening.

Yes. This is what i'm asking.
Why.
Why can there not be an exploration of something that might be the subject of a fetish for some without "ho-he-haw lol fetishes amirite" irony or all out creepy ERP?

>you're too dumb to understand.
Then make me understand oh you mighty neurotypical super normie you.

>>49183673
>people will still want to know the thought process behind making an entire forest made out of piss.
Because a forest made out of piss doesn't need to be justified any more than anything else in a fantasy setting.
How are you not understanding this?
>I mean, out of the dozens of possible liquids you could've chosen, your first instinct was piss?
Out of all the things to do, your choose to have your characters break into things homes, murder, and rob them.
>>49183698
>So you would rather play with degenerates who think that a wizzard who controls his own piss is a compelling character?
And this is different than a dragon breathing fire how...?

>>49183697

No, just a little heads up, like someone who is planning on running a sci-fi game when I'm strictly a fantasy dude myself.

>end up walking into a giant creatures mouth by accident
>think I'm in for a magical realm
>ends up being like the giant worm in Gears of War 2

We cut the hearts out of it's body.

>>49171497
>not discussing your anal vore fetish with your love ones

Did your parents punish you as a child?

>>49183713

>Why can there not be an exploration of something that might be the subject of a fetish for some without "ho-he-haw lol fetishes amirite" irony or all out creepy ERP?

Because people aren't interested, they don't swing that way, and they have plans on ever swinging that way, especially from playing in one campaign where autismo the great autist thought that playing in a piss forest was compelling story-telling.

>>49183732
Also, i was *specifically* not talking about an all out fetish game.
I was talking about exploring something that might be the subject of a fetish for some as part of a game.

There could be a jelly kingdom. With the houses made of congealed slime, slime rivers and intelligent gelatinous cube people. Things could be interesting and compelling.
But googirls are fetish fuel so you would flip the table on me right?

>>49183732
How does that differ from a content warning?
"Hey bud I'm running Black Crusade this week and I know you don't like that so I'll run what you want next month" is effectively the same as "I know that rape upsets you, me and my friends are watching Irreversible tonight, don't feel pressured to come or to stay."

>>49183720

>Because a forest made out of piss doesn't need to be justified any more than anything else in a fantasy setting.

It kinda does mate. It kinda does because I want to know why your immediate thought is piss. What, in your little mind, thought that making campaign based around pee is a good idea?

Why not a normal forest with a normal wizard, why base your entire campaign around pee?

Magical realm exists. It happens more often than not. Sometimes it's just your storyteller's leitmotif (e.g. Giant Creatures), sometimes is something more evidently sexual (e.g. All women act like Dominatrixes). It's not always bad as far as the game enjoyment is concerned, but having someone bear with your fetishes unknowingly or unwillingly is violating the first rule of many fetish communities.

There, let's stop arguing about bullshit now.

>>49183769
M8, as the one tacitly defending you with tw/cw, yes, yes it would. I would like some kind of Warning before I find myself between a rock and your hard place. When it comes to sex and sexuality, unless everyone is onboard with it, fade to black. It's just easier.

>>49183766
>Because people aren't interested, they don't swing that way, and they have plans on ever swinging that way,
Those things are unrelated.
Why would people not be interested.
And who cares if they don't have plans on ever swinging that way.
You don't make gay couples hide themselves just because you don't intend to swing that way.

The point is that i don't see any reason why people who are otherwise okay with exploring novel concepts would suddenly lose all interest if it comes to some concept that might be sexually appealing for some.

>>49183784
It's not very different and both are not inherently bad. You can try and be nice to people and warn them about things you *know* they won't like, it's when you're trying to make that compulsory for all sorts of thing on the off chance that someone may object to it, that it becomes a problem.

>>49183802
>What, in your little mind, thought that making campaign based around pee is a good idea?
It could have been anything else.
Goo.
Fire.(as stated above)
Acid.
I just at this moment had more ideas for piss based monsters than fire, acid, or goo based monsters, and i thought it could be fun because disgusting.

>>49183802
>It kinda does because I want to know why your immediate thought is piss
Why-
>Why not a normal forest with a normal wizard, why base your entire campaign around pee?
You actually beat me to it. Why a normal forest with a normal wizard over anything else?
Why a forest?
Why a wizard?

You're petty "justify this" bullshit APPLIES TO EVERYTHING IN FANTASY
Stop pretending that it only applies to sexual things, it's literally not an argument.

>>49183824
>When it comes to sex
BUT
ITS
NOT
SEX

It's something that might be a fetish for some.
Do you want me to fade to black every time i describe an intricate mosaic floor because there's someone somewhere who gets off to tiles?
Do you want me to fade to black if a gelatinous cube glomps you, because people get off to vore and goo?
Do you want me to fade to black whenever describing zombies, because someone gets off to necrophilia?

>>49183784

>How does that differ from a content warning?

Because a content warning is there to warn people that if they watch X, they're going to have a bad time.

Giving someone an idea of what your campaign is about just lets them know what to expect without them being bored out of their skull because they just aren't interested in the premise.

In either case, it also means that the majority of people who are involved are doing so of their own free will and because they are interested, which will make the experience better overall because nobody is feeling pressured to either enjoy a thing or convince someone to change their mind.

>>49183873
>about just lets them know what to expect without them being bored out of their skull because they just aren't interested in the premise.
Not the guy you replied to but again:
It's not the whole campaign!
Basing a whole campaign around piss would be a piss poor idea, precisely because people might get bored.
But basing an adventure around it is a different thing, because even if someone doesn't like it and is bored there might be something else next session.

This is true for mundane things too, basing your entire campaign about the party micromanaging a village might be fucking boring to some, but having a session where the party has to rebuild a village would probably not be a bad idea.

>>49183829

>You don't make gay couples hide themselves just because you don't intend to swing that way.

You also shouldn't dress like a flamingo while dancing to the music of queen as you deep throat a dildo down main street either.

If you want to be treated like everyone else then don't put a target on your back so that everyone knows that you aren't normal.

And I say this as someone who has a gay friend who doesn't act like a flaming faggot, whom I play with every single week.

>>49168156
Yes magical relm is a thing, I have experienced it first hand. Believe it or not even in Erotic games where there is an expectation of magical relm there's always that guy who wants to bring his vore fetish into it despite the fact no one else wants him too.

>>49183829

>It could have been anything else.
>I just at this moment had more ideas for piss based monsters than fire, acid, or goo based monsters, and i thought it could be fun because disgusting.

Okay, why not monsters made out of flesh, or body organs, or blood?

If the intention was to make a monster based around something disgusting, why not something else?

>>49183954

A flesh forest would be metal as fuck.

>>49183930
The point was that you don't outright demand that all gays hide their gay affection to other gays.

Obviously prancing down mainstreet sucking a dragon dildo is not gonna go down well with people, and making the party drink 10 gallons of piss straight from the ogres dick would also not go down well, but that is NOT what we've been talking about.

>>49183954
>Okay, why not monsters made out of flesh, or body organs, or blood?
Because those are boring, and i would like to explore new concepts in a game and not just repeat the same shit over and over again in a frikkin FANTASY game.

Also you do realize that i could make a flesh golem and that would still be magical realm to some?

>>49183070
Do you even know how to fucking count?

>>49183868
No, because they aren't your fetish so you won't eroticize them

>>49183769

>I was talking about exploring something that might be the subject of a fetish for some as part of a game.

Slime is not inherently sexual.

Piss is inherently seen as filthy and disgusting, by most people.

People don't want to deal with something that's filthy and disgusting, especially when it's something that not many people think about to boot.

>>49183925

>But basing an adventure around it is a different thing, because even if someone doesn't like it and is bored there might be something else next session.

Even then, what's the fascination with piss that makes it inherently compelling as opposed to...just not using piss?

If you took the word "piss" outta the equation, nothing would change except people would be more forgiving towards your reputation.

>>49180266
>the people with a significant other who they can have sex with
>are less interested in erotica than the ones who don't and enjoy erotica
GEE I WONDER WHY

>>49183998
>No, because they aren't your fetish so you won't eroticize them
.....
I guess we've finally found the core of the conflict.

Nothing in the comic suggested the GM eroticised the piss.
This is precisely why the story could be compelling and not just ERP.

And this is what i've been trying to express from the start.
A game wherein the subjects of some fetishes are explored but are treated with a minimum amount of distance seems like it could be fun.

>>49184017
>Slime is not inherently sexual.
AHAHAHAH
Yeah tell that to the google search results when you google "slime people"
>Piss is inherently seen as filthy and disgusting, by most people.
But it's not.
It's almost sterile.
Also filthy and disgusting is not normally a problem: see undead.

>>49184045
>just not using piss?
Because i like to explore new ideas in fantasy games?
And maybe piss is a good example of a not actually harmful thing that people still think of as disgusting, and i wanted to explore the concept.
I could also have made a blood forest and a blood wizard, and there are enough people who get off to blood too, but it would have been slightly different from the fluff and i just like one fluff better than the other.

>>49183980

>The point was that you don't outright demand that all gays hide their gay affection to other gays.

If I'm not prancing around while proclaiming my heterosexuality then I expect the same level of courtesy from you, regardless of how you swing in the bedroom.

>>49183980

>Because those are boring, and i would like to explore new concepts in a game and not just repeat the same shit over and over again in a frikkin FANTASY game.

What makes them boring but piss exciting?

Also

>frikkin

Are you 12 years old?

>>49184079
>If I'm not prancing around while proclaiming my heterosexuality then I expect the same level of courtesy from you, regardless of how you swing in the bedroom.
Again, you seem to fail to understand my point.
Maybe i'm not phrasing it right i don't know.

Gays are allowed to kiss in public and you don't demand that they hide it.
Obviously prancing down mainstreet sucking a dragon dildo is not gonna go down well with people, and making the party drink 10 gallons of piss straight from the ogres dick would also not go down well, but that is NOT what we've been talking about.

We have been talking about including elements that could be erotic for some in a consistent and actually normal way.

>What makes them boring but piss exciting?
That flesh and blood are everywhere. Almost very monster includes that. Piss however is not usually seen around.

If something is found on every corner (like undead or monsters that have flesh) it's boring. If something isn't usually found in some quantity it's a new thing to explore.

Also you still haven't told me why blood, flesh, and etc which are also the subject of fetishes are okay but piss is not.

>>49184076

>Yeah tell that to the google search results when you google "slime people"

There are people who sexual dogs yet that doesn't mean that dog fucking should be acceptable.

>It's almost sterile.

Okay, try telling that to the average person and see how long it takes for you be called "that piss guy."

>Also filthy and disgusting is not normally a problem: see undead.

It becomes a problem when you start to describe how a zombie's intestines are hanging out of his gut like a link of sausages or you describe them eating a dude starting with his eyeballs and they can hear his eyeballs going *pop* as the zombie digs in.

That's generally because people also have different thresholds for how violent something can be.

>Because i like to explore new ideas in fantasy games?

What changes just because you add "piss" before every word?

>>49184138

>Piss however is not usually seen around.

For good reason.

>Also you still haven't told me why blood, flesh, and etc which are also the subject of fetishes are okay but piss is not.

Nobody likes guro either but that's not what's up for discussion atm.

>>49183713
>Why can there not be an exploration of something that might be the subject of a fetish for some without "ho-he-haw lol fetishes amirite" irony or all out creepy ERP?
Okay, another anon here.
I'll tell you the truth:
There can absolutely be an exploration of something that might be a fetish for some without everyone focusing on the fetish aspect of it.
However, the stranger the subject is, or the more it is the exclusive domain of fetishism, the more likely it is to be viewed as only a fetish.
If I encountered a giantess swallowing PCs whole in a game, I would think large scale enemy first, fetish second, if at all.
This is because giants eating people is in fantasy stories as well as fetishes.
But if the giantess insisted our group pee in her mouth before she would let us go, I would think fetish first, because I have only heard of that as a fetish.

Now, if we encounter anything in the game which seems out of place, we will naturally ask about it and why it was included.
If the GM won't offer an explanation (It's magic, I ain't gotta 'splain sheet!) then the players are going to assume their guess to the GM'd secret reason is right.
And that might be "it's his fetish".
And yes, the GM needs a reason, because he had a reason, even if he wasn't conscious of it.

Now if the GM explained, quickly and clearly that the Ancient Greeks used urine as an antiseptic mouthwash and had the Giantess explain she had an abscessed tooth, prompting a quest to find Molar the Eternal Dentist, then I would be less inclined to think the GM was inserting his fetish.
But if our powerful urine suddenly became prized and sought after, I would rethink why our game was focused on pee.

Do you see how that goes?
Encountering a drow dungeon is a little fetishy, but fine.
Focusing the entire game on drow torture techniques is much less expected.
The GM modeling the bondage gear is right out.

It is all riddled with bias and subjectivity, but there it is.
Any questions?

The most autistic thread on /tg/ right now

>>49184138
>If something is found on every corner (like undead or monsters that have flesh) it's boring. If something isn't usually found in some quantity it's a new thing to explore.
Not everything that not found in games is interesting.
If a GM chooses to focus a game on pee instead of candy bar wrappers, eyelets, kale, or insulin, then he may be asked why he chose, our of every uncommon thing ever, this particular one.

>Out of all the creatures in the world, why did the .net choose a bat? I bet it's your fetish.
>No, it's because he was traumatized as a child and now has a phobia. Plus I think they're cool because xyz...

>>49184317
>The most autistic thread on /tg/ right now
WHY IS THERE NOT AN IMAGE FOR THIS?

Seriously, I'd make one, but I'm on my phone.
How to draw an autistic wizard?

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>this thread

>>49184346
*BBEG not .net

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>players are in a royal tomb dungeon
>being pillaged by mephits and nothics looking for something
>PCs deal with the monsters and salvage a Royal Soulstone they were after
>roll arcana and history, realize it's the soulstone of the legendary Princess that the BBEG is trying to get
>one player rolls his eyes and thinks I'm "that guy" for having a princess' soulstone be the mcguffin

I never found out what his problem was.

>>49184182
>It becomes a problem when you start to describe how
Yep as stated here>>49184076
I guess this was the core of our misunderstanding.
Nothing in the comic suggested the GM did that, and i obviously wouldn't want to play a game where anything like that happens with any fetish/disgusting thing.

It wouldn't just be adding piss before every word or describing the smell and texture vividly, it would be a somewhat distanced exploration of the topic like how the piss king himself has a dastardly plan to take away all the sewage from the adjacent kingdom, which would lead to fertilizer shortages in the area.

>>49184213
Yes it is.
I wasn't talking about piss exclusively, that was just a stand in for "something that could be someones fetish"

>>49184346
i already gave such reasons in posts above.
slightly disgusting while not harmful, always available, not abundant normally, would make people avoid anything associated with it, but the party can be drenched in it without them dying or being scarred.

>>49184216
>however, the stranger the subject is, or the more it is the exclusive domain of fetishism,
Yes but simply being in the domain of fetishism doesn't make it inherently bad.
why can there not be an exploration of something from the realm of fetishism without everyone constantly focusing on the fetish aspects of it?

>And yes, the GM needs a reason, because he had a reason, even if he wasn't conscious of it.
But then he can truthfully say
"i don't know it seemed appealing". Also "i wanted to explore this fetishbait subject" is also a valid reason.

Again you're treating
>inserting his fetish
as inherently bad which i see no reason for.

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All ya'll niggas is dumb. All ya'll.

Spastic is a moron that should be put down, but the idiots replying to his stupidity aren't much fucking better at all, holy shit. You should fucking know better then to waste your fucking time like this!

You should ALL be ashamed.

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>>49184590
gonna use your gif as an excuse to post /tg/ nichijou

>>49184559

>I wasn't talking about piss exclusively, that was just a stand in for "something that could be someones fetish"

No, this entire discussion was based around why you shouldn't use piss, specifically.

Anything can be anyone's fetish but niche shit like piss, diapers, and toes is obviously going to raise more red flags than big tits, red hair, or [insert non-human race here].

I'm not going to bat an eye because someone decided to make a slime girl an antagonist but I will raise an eyebrow when you try to make a forest out of piss just because of some shallow reason like "it's more interesting if it's made of piss."

>>49184609
Go for it, virtually anything's better then the abortion that is this thread.

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>>49184609

>>49184559
>>49184216
>why can there not be an exploration of something from the realm of fetishism without everyone constantly focusing on the fetish aspects of it?

To explain this further:
-What i think people ITT were thinking that i wanted was focusing an entire campaign around vividly describing various drow torture techniques and showing them off in person for immersion.
-What i actually wanted was having a session be set in something like a drow torture dungeon, mentioning what kind of torture they would use, and why it's not normal human torture, what kind of effect the existence of torture dungeons has on drow society, the resulting mentality in the drow populace and it's cultural positive and negative impacts, and methods to escape from a drow torture dungeon.

You get what i mean?

There's a difference between:
The pee king wants to build an army of pee golems, so you have to place this portable hole in the sewers of the city. The incontinent pee bears wee contains pheromones that attract poisonous bees to your location. The pee lake was established when a transmutation spell from the nearby wizard academy went horribly wrong, because the wizard apprentice forgot to go to the toilet before concentrating on the spell.

And between
And the pee drips from your face and you can smell the delicious aroma of it drenching your clothes, and you almost choke on the glistening yellow stream coming from the ogre's member, while he murmurs contentedly visibly aroused. etcetc


>>49184651
>No, this entire discussion was based around why you shouldn't use piss, specifically.
You misunderstood the topic then. Both in my first post and about every second post thereafter i repeated that i was talking about fetish bait in general.

>>49168156
The comic fit so closely with /tg/'s complaints about fetish insertion that you are now questioning whether or not the complaints could have existed at all without the comic.

>>49184559
>Yes but simply being in the domain of fetishism doesn't make it inherently bad.
No, it makes it predominantly associated with the fetish.

>why can there not be an exploration of something from the realm of fetishism without everyone constantly focusing on the fetish aspects of it?
Because, as I said, if it's predominantly associated with the fetish, that is what people are going to think first.
If you make a character that is a big guy named Yewbane, you will have to explain how it's not a reference, because that's what people will think, despite those words existing before the meme.

>>And yes, the GM needs a reason, because he had a reason, even if he wasn't conscious of it.
>But then he can truthfully say
>"i don't know it seemed appealing".
To which everyone's internal response will be, so it's because he has this fetish and doesn't realize it.
No reason is never a good enough reason, and therefore it is suspect.

>Also "i wanted to explore this fetishbait subject" is also a valid reason.
As a fetish? Fine if everyone's on board.
If not, why *this* subject? You basically just said "I did it because I wanted to", which is back to no reason.

>Again you're treating
>>inserting his fetish
>as inherently bad which i see no reason for.
No, others may have been.
I am treating "inserting his fetish" as "inserting his fetish".
You can't insert your fetish and then ask why everyone treats it like a fetish.

Your above reason for using urine as an underused distasteful element to, say ward off animals and the squeamishly undetermined actually works, although the logistics of it are extreme unless the whizzard just summons it into existence.
The second a PC has to pee in a troll's mouth though, you're busted.

>>49184796
>>49184771
>>49184745
Doing gawwwd's work.

Also, fucking adorable.

>>49184942
>Because, as I said, if it's predominantly associated with the fetish, that is what people are going to think first.
Yes but what about the fact that people think about it as a fetish makes it impossible to focus on other aspects of it. Not the fetishy ones?

>never a good enough reason, and therefore it is suspect.
Again you treat it as if that being his fetish would inherently make things bad.

>You basically just said "I did it because I wanted to", which is back to no reason.
So what?
The GM doesn't need to give you a reason that will satisfy you other than that he thought it would be interesting.
Also obviously there wouldn't only be ONE fetishbait subject explored that would be lame.

>You can't insert your fetish and then ask why everyone treats it like a fetish.
Yes but someone could insert their fetish and be surprised why people are unwilling to talk about it as anything other than a fetish.

And this is the part i had problems with.
Again what i wanted from a campaign was what was in the comic here.... described in this post.>>49184707
I wanted to have a discussion about a possible fetish not focusing on the possible fetish possibly being a sexual thing.

>>49184651
>specifically
Spissifically, you mean.

>>49184980
>you're discussing something i don't like
>you should be prevented from discussing something i don't like, despite it being related to the topic of the board.

>>49172368
I'm also against the forced overuse of "degenerate" for about anything and the /pol/esuckers shitting up this board but you are the biggest faggot ever.

>>49168156
It was a thing for like a week before the term became meaningless

>>49185113
Same. In this case, it's great if only because it triggers him so badly, although really no one should reply to anything he says at all.

>>49183300
Emotions aren't rational.

You however are deeply autistic.

>>49185049
>Yes but what about the fact that people think about it as a fetish makes it impossible to focus on other aspects of it. Not the fetishy ones?
The fact that you have to dispel the fetish aspect first.
If you don't it is very much:
>Is this your fetish?
>Don't worry about it.
>So that's a yes.
>I don't have to explain shit.
>That's definitely a yes. I didn't sign up for erp, I'm out.
>I'm in! Can I play with my pants off?

>Again you treat it as if that being his fetish would inherently make things bad.
Some people are not comfortable playing while they know their GM has a raging erection or getting aroused by their actions. Especially if it was done intentionally without their knowledge.
If a woman is photographed while walking to work, and some guy masturbates to that photo, she would feel intruded on even though the image is just of her walking to work in public.
Some people don't want to be included in sexual things without consent, even if it doesn't physically affect them.
Others couldn't care less.
Neither makes inserting your fetish inherently bad, but doing what others don't want or may not want kinda is.

>So what?
I just explained why no reason leaves the assumption of fetishism. Keep it together, tiger.

>The GM doesn't need to give you a reason that will satisfy you other than that he thought it would be interesting.
That does not dispel the fetishism.
>Also obviously there wouldn't only be ONE fetishbait subject explored that would be lame.
No, but he picked this one. Why?
>Yes but someone could insert their fetish and be surprised why people are unwilling to talk about it as anything other than a fetish.
Maybe because you haven't dispelled it as a fetish?

>>49184707
>>49184651
Piss is a good example for the discussion because it's well over the line of "so unusual it's probably" a fetish."
Drow torture is pretty middle of the road.
The more focus is centered on torture, the more fetish will be suspected.
The more the execution is focused on exploration of an unusual element, rather than eroticizing it, the fewer eyebrows will be raised.
And every subject has a different subjective level of fetishism.
As always, the correct solution is honest direct communication between players and GM.

>>49168234
I think it would make more sense if you said 'how to act like a normal person' instead of 'actual humans' - it doesn't matter that autists can't understand people, what matters is that they start groups with other autists or other people with no friends, so they don't have to learn how to be functioning human beings. The trick to avoiding magical realm is not to play with any group that looks socially incapable.

>>49168237
Even someone with a mental problem can be taught basic rules of politeness. It's more that modern society is so degenerate that they refuse to learn, because politeness is dead anyway.

>>49185413
You're mixing up emotinal with instictual.
Humans having a gag reflex to their waste is part of our evolutionary proccess.(the homo-sapien that played too long with it's waste died of disease)

>>49185595
>Emotions are rational
Everyone dies.
We know this on every level.
It still shocks us and upsets us when it happens.

Being able to explain emotions isn't remotely the same thing as emotions being rational.

>>49185595
Emotons are not rational. If they were rational, humans would never marry and have children.

>>49185595
There may be a rational purpose for everything, but that does not mean everything is rational.
See
>>49185635
>>49185655

>>49185461
>That's definitely a yes. I didn't sign up for erp, I'm out.
why is this a thing

>he would feel intruded on
that's fucked up dumb

>Maybe because you haven't dispelled it as a fetish?
So fucking what
What makes something that could be a fetish impossible to talk about without the context of the fetish? WHAT?

Also if you "give a fair warning" you'll end up with only people who want to play a fucking ERP campaign not a campaign that has ZERO erotic parts apart from dealing with subjects that could be a fetish for someone.

>>49185510
Yes but again this is not the subect of a campaign
Should the GM provide a complete roadmap of what kind of thing to expect when along with trigger warnings?
I mean seriously.

You won't be able to convince me that talking about something that could also be a fetish but is treated maturely and with a certain distance is inherently that should be frowned upon in anything that isn't ERP.

>>49185829
>You will never convince me
But not because we're wrong.
But because you are painfully autistic.

>>49185857
No, because you're unable to provide so much as a single argument for your view of things.

Again, what should someone do?
If someone conforms to your demand for a fucking triggerwarning because "omg someone could talk about something that is erotic for them whaaah" and says "yeah i will talk about fetish stuff" the only people that will stay signed on are people expecting an ERP campaign. And they will leave as soon as it turns out that there's actually nothing erotic about the way the fetishes are talked about.

>>49185857
>>49185510
>>49185461
Do you guys think that it's just inherently fucking impossible to talk about a subject that could be sexual for someone maturely and out of the context of fucking masturbating to it?

Because that seems to be what you imply.

>>49185907
>Triggerwarning
Basic human decency and understanding of social norms isn't an SJW conspiracy you autismal fuck.

>>49185939
We just think the only possible reason you think this is an issue is autistry.

>>49185946
Forcing someone to elaborate every single thing involved in a campaign that could be sexual for someone because you're fucking unable to deal with someone talking about a fetish IS a triggerwarning and not common courtesy.
It's like someone mentions a slime girl you'd be the guy immediately interrupting and asking
"But what's your reason that this is a slime girl and not a normal girl"
"uh.. because i thought it would be fun and slightly appealing?"
"AHA! Spotted the weird fetish freak! Fuck you i don't want to talk about the shit you jack off to i'm out!"

It's one thing to expect to be warned if a campaign is going to be overtly erotic, and it's one thing to expect to be told every element of a campaign that could possibly be a fetish, because if one of those actually IS someone's fetish you're unable to deal with it.

>>49185999
>thinks that it's impossible to talk about a possible erotic subject in a civilized non masturbatory manner,
>and all discussion about such a topics should thus be treated the same as if it was sexual interaction

>somehow i'm the mentally challenged one

yeah no.

>>49186045
How can I explain this simply?

99% of groups don't want Magical Realm.

1% of groups want it.

All we are saying is that the 1% and the 99% don't gel. At all.

>>49185857
STOP. REPLYING. TO THE FAGGOT. Please, dear god, I'm begging you.

>>49168156
It's much rarer than reading /tg/ would lead you to believe, but it does happen.

Most DMs I have encountered take player boundaries into consideration, but there's always that one guy who feels the need to work through his sexual frustrations at a table with other men.

They are enough of a problem that my current group has "no crossplaying and no onscreen rape" as rules.

>>49186045
>impossible
More like uncomfortable.
The fact you don't get that seems autistic, yes.
Many of us agree.