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Glory to the Empire!

The definitely had the best uniforms.

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>>49155148
Hear hear!

>>49155148
>>49155162
I'm watching through the Star Trek Continues episodes and they have a pretty good sequel to Mirror Mirror. Of all the Star Trek fan productions, this is the one I could beleive is an actual canon entry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJf2ovQtI6w

Reposting here:

The ep with the "Pup" AI was The Forsaken. DS9 Season one, episode 16. It's the one where the B-plot has Luwaxanna Troi make her first visit to the station and NOT be a completely insufferable character, so that probably took up most of your memory of the subject. One of the better early episodes. Hell, even early-Julian was more tolerable than usual.

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>>49155148
And the best opening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfbsZRbwbJ4
A whole series set in the Mirror Universe, how cool would it be? The characters could even be some rebels if you have to keep up the moralfaggotry..

>>49155308
Probably would wear out its welcome incredibly quickly.

It'd need some seriously good writers to stop it just being full retard all the time and actually be more than an excuse for skimpy costumes and pantomime villain level 'evil' schemes.

>>49155623
According to Bermann and Braga, the Mirror universe plot-line would have been a recurring series of 2-parters throughout the remainder of their original 7 season plan, more or less following the events of the novel. We would have gotten to meet Mirror Shran and seen more of Empress Sato.

>>49156143
Sounds awful. There was already far too much of it in DS9.

>>49156475
Debatable. Dispersed throughout 4 seasons, and without the necessity for a prime timeline morality diatribe, a Mirror universe arc might have made a good counterpoint to the goody goody escapades of the Enterprise.

>>49156475
Honestly, if the mirror episodes in DS9 didn't just turn into an excuse for Nana Visitor to go full ham, I'd still watch them, rather than skipping them 90% of the time.

>>49157149

I actually liked "Shattered Mirror". Mirror-Jennifer kidnapping Jake so that Ben could help the rebels work out the flaws in the Defiant copy they built. Good stuff.

>>49157349
That was probably the best one, and the only one I don't skip nearly as much as the others.

>>49157397

I know, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-P6L5JGf24

>>49157149
>if the mirror episodes in DS9 didn't just turn into an excuse for Nana Visitor to go full ham
This is why I watch them.

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>>49155091

The needs of the many... (bump)

How many ships was Starfleet operating around the time of TOS. Because they act like it's only a handful.

>>49162294
Probably not that many.

Starfleet was still a young institution. Most of the Federation worlds were still maintaining their own fleets in case everything fell apart.

>>49162363

I dunno man, wouldn't they want to maintain a strong fleet to deter the Klingons?

>>49162403
The definition of 'strong fleet' was different back then. You see one ship patrolling several sectors, and encounters between single cruisers being the norm, rather than the exception. TNG preserves that somewhat, but then you have DS9 where everyone just zergs out. You can look at SFB core for a fair approximation of what Starfleet numbers were like around Kirk's time.

>>49162415
I think that by DS9 era everyone in the Alpha Quadrant had seen Wolf 359 and it had scared them shitless.

Every empire starts to go on a boat building binge. Status quo is maintained but at a higher level.

>>49162653
It would make sense. We know that Starfleet increased development speed on a lot of their next gen cruisers and combat vessels in direct response to the threat of the Borg. And then during the dominion war we see a lot of new vessels alongside TMP-era ships. Pre-Khitomer was the last time there was a militarised Starlfeet, so it would make sense that they have a bunch of Mothballed Mirandas sitting around.

Is there a Federation equivalent of the Klingon Bird of Prey?

We're going to be starting a Prime Directive game set in the SFB universe and I want to give the players a small but capable ship (from any source, not just SFB). A ship with a small crew - so any casualties are going to be felt, some cargo, some combat capabilities (but nothing to match a cruiser), some scouting, effectively a multi-role type ship similar to the BOP. The players will be a prime team on a recon mission but this will turn into a Voyager type affair with the players entering unchartered waters very quickly.

The era for Prime Directive is TOS, but TMP ships are acceptable as I dislike the look of TOS (Sorry!).

So, do you have any ideas? If preferable, with deckplans? I don't mind fan or official ships, just need some ideas!

Thanks in advance,

>>49163885
Just off the top of my head, the Akula class, Oberth class and Saladin class ships sound like what you're after. I have no deck plans but I'm sure they're out there.

>>49163885
IN the SFB corebook there's the Federation DD, roughly corresponding to Saladin-class if you want deck plans. It has decent weapons, strong shields for the era, shuttles, some cargo, and a manageable crew. It's not quite a BoP, but it works. Overall, though, Federation and Klingons use different doctrines and build their ships differently, not to mention key differences in how they operate them.

>>49163885
The Bird of Prey is a stripped down starship, more like a warp capable gunship than anything else. The Federation has no direct equivalents until the DS9 era.

>>49164004
Anon is specifically asking about SFU, where that is not the case.

>>49163902
>>49163972
Thanks for the quick response, I'm liking the Akula Class perimeter action ships. If you follow the blurb, then it's kind of a stripped down frigate with a smaller crew, so could be exactly what I'm after.

Thanks for all your helps!

I have a couple of questions.

1. I'm looking into buying a Commander level ship for my Romulan character in STO. I really like the look of the Ar'kif but the Ar'Kala has the better Bridge stations. Is there a way to customise the Ar'Kala to look like the Ar'Kif?

2. Which of the TTG systems is easiest for people to learn? I've got a group of novice D&Ders that I'm trying to convince to run a campaign. A couple of them have played Conan, which uses the Modiphius system, so maybe I should hold off till ST: Adventures.

>>49164502
If you buy the Arkala with zen you can use the arkif skin.

>>49164598
Great, that's what I was hoping. Just didn't want to sink 1500Z in to a ship that doesn't look the part.

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>>49164502
I'd say it's not worth it to buy those leveling ships at all. You'll be using it for all of three or four hours.

Far Trek is pretty simple and easy to digest, you can also try Prime Directive with the Lite rules.

>>49164502
I can recommend GURPS Prime Directive. If you get either version (3e or 4e) you won't need any other books as GURPS Prime Directive comes with GURPS Lite built in. We use it, nice and simple and you don't have to worry about any of the bloat that others might complain about. You only need other books if you're really into it.

While Prime Directive is mainly for Star Fleet Battles, don't worry, it is mainly for TOS/TMP so you won't have any issues. If you want TNG or later, then use the Last Unicorn version.

>>49162415
TOS Era: Post Vietnam.
Wrath of Khan and following: Reagan-era military buildup.
Pre-Borg TNG: 1989-1991: End of Cold War.
After Wolf 359, also Dominion War:George W, "Shock and Awe".

Science fiction is always about What's Happening Now.

>>49164957
Would I be better off waiting until level 50 and getting the Jhu'ael? In which case I'd likely just get the Ar'kif with my available Dilithium.


>>49165086
Looks like I have some GURPS research to do, then. Thanks for the advice.

>>49164957
Some of the leveling ships come with good or fun things. The arkala itself comes with the quad plasma cannons, which are good if he's going to go cannons at all.

>>49165361
If you get the jhuael you should still be able to use the arkif skin.

>>49165361
Certainly. T6 ships will last you a long time, since that's the current 'endgame tier'. Romulan carriers are kind of eh, to be fair, but it doesn't matter that much.

>>49165361
No worries. If you're wanting Prime Directive, then this might help.

https://mega.nz/#F!yxFxlD4I!CGTYsnTE_8XAmcJxdMehAQ!zgdQkKgI

CBS 'action' has been going through a top 20 voted for episodes of the original series and it's prompted a thought.

Why is is that so many of the best episodes of all the star trek shows are bottle shows or almost bottle shows, as in they'll have maybe a set on a different ship? For a series so focuses on going places, a lot, perhaps even the bulk of the classics of each show are focuses entirely within the ship/station and maybe an excursion to another ship?

>>49166363
Budget. Small sets of rooms and corridors are much cheaper and require no moving or logistics.
Recall that all of this was shot before good CGI, on actual sets.

>>49166363
Because that is where the best characterization and drama is. Planet/Monster/Weirshitinspace just don't give enough emotional impact.

>>49166363
That's because if you don't have some wacky alien of the week for your actors to react to, they actually have to act.

>>49166990
I don't know, the one with the Horta is pretty good.

>>49166458
>>49166981
>>49166990

Now's here's the killer question: does this translate into RPGs at all?

Can you get away with repeatedly only having stuff take place on your character's ship with maybe only a single scene on another (like Q Who and the brief visit to the Borg vessel or the Tholian Web and the Defiant) and still have a really good game, or does that put too much emphasis on the players and their ability to portray a character to carry events?

>>49167792
Yeah true, but I was thinking more of the effects heavy episodes.

>>49167804
It depends on the group. If your group is comfortable with a social game where they're not running around firing phasers at any ridgehead that shows up, then it will work. If your players are expecting something like First Contact happening every week, then they're not going to enjoy it as much.

>>49167804
If your players have that ability there's nothing wrong in exploiting it. Besides, a lot can happen on a ship, especially on those ludicrously long missions Trek has.

>>49167877
>Yeah true, but I was thinking more of the effects heavy episodes.
Doomsday Machine is pretty good.

>>49167923
>ludicrously long missions Trek has.
In both scifi and naval precedence 5 years is not a terribly long time.

>The Assignment
Thought this suppose to be serious episode, I can't help but laugh at this cheese and ham.

Also, isn't ironic that Quark criticizes his family for become less Ferengi-like when Quark himself has been sampling in Root Bear and having more relationships with women from other species than Ferengi women.

>>49169173
Aside from the root beer, Quark is pretty Ferengi. Remember that Ferengi want a harem of women attending them, and don't really care what race gives them oomox. The most popular holonovel on Ferengi is Vulcan Love Slave after all.

>>49169222
>The most popular holonovel on Ferengi is Vulcan Love Slave after all.

I am glad someone had the time to write this up to make part of the lore.

>>49168842
>scifi precedence
As for naval, 5 years without resupply or shore leave, and with sparse communication, is a very long time, considering that the record for the longest naval voyage is 1,152 days.

>>49169247
What?

>>49169269
TOS had the Enterprise resupplying and going to starbases on a regular basis, same for TNG. There is never really a time any of the series without resupply or shore leave, so I am not sure I understand what you mean now.

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>>49169317
I think that Kirk's old monologue should really have called it "her five year COMmission" instead. That might make more sense to people who have a better understanding of military terminology.

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>>49169269
>>49169317

That actually always really confused me. How exactly do those exploration missions work? It seems like the Enterprise is never more than a few days away from federation territory, but it seems like the federation should have already explored all the areas near its borders. Not to mention they always seem to be changing locations (one minute their near the romulan neutral zone, the next minute their on the cardassian border). It seems like a real exploration mission would probably involve going far, far from federation borders for months on end without resupply, but then again, I don't know much about earth exploration, much less space.

>>49169664
It's one thing to chart space with probes that can tell you how many planets star system has, and what its type is, and another to actually go there. In theory, that was a lot of what the Enterprise-D should have been doing, slowly stretching borders of the Federation's knowledge about the systems near them. In practice, no one gives a shit about new aliens unless they're an instant hit. So we get tons of Klingon and Romulan episodes. Voyager is the closest the series gets back to its exploration roots.

>>49169247
>I am glad someone had the time to write this up to make part of the lore.
Goddammit, for a second then I thought you were saying that someone had actually written up Vulcan Love Slave.

Sure as hell sounds like an interesting read.

>>49169730

Ah, that makes a lot of sense, thanks.

The sad thing is, the exploration part of Star Trek interested me the most, so I thought Voyager would be my favorite show.

Basically, all I wanted was a show about a ship exploring the wild unknown, far from galactic civilization, instead we got all of these schizophrenic morality plays and neelix.

>>49169730
>Voyager is the closest the series gets back to its exploration roots.
And this is why voyager is my favorite series and i just pretend that the bad episodes (like half the series) don't exist.

>>49169879
You also got a shit load of episodes about hallucinations, holograms, altered memories, and what is real vs what is an illusion. (That's what got old real fast for me.)

I finally watched Enterprise on Netflix - lord knows it never stuck to a rational schedule when it was new - and was surprised that it holds up pretty well as a "best of" series: TOS aliens, Voyager horse trading, exploration and gradual development of tech TNG took fo granted, time travel, etc.

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>>49157732
Threadly reminder that Nana Vistor ages like a fine wine.

>>49169664
in naval terms think of it this way: you don't get to go home and take on a whole new crew for 5 years. That doesn't mean you never see a port

>>49169879
I do like that TNG spends time pushing the borders out and carrying the flag, but as the flagship of Starfleet, they absolutely could not send it out to deep space. What would have been better was the Ent-D was developed as a roving diplomacy and science ship. Plots like "Picard! This Federation planet has decided that one has too much cheese, and they DEMAND CHEESE! Mediate that shit up, Frogman." or "This stellar anomaly is blocking my view of the next planet over's Spring Break party! Study it and fix it!" Or more stuff like the Darmok episode.

>>49170049
The best part of Enterprise was that the Alien Bounty Hunter from X-Files was Admiral Valdore.

>>49170074
Aside from that atrocious dye job. Her short hair like the Intendant gave me a fetish for that.

>>49169755
There's a couple of quotes from it in Legends of the Ferengi I think but that's about it I am afraid.

However, the main character is a ferengi and well, frankly, I am not /d/ enough for dealing with a small, orange, profit focused troll in my pornographic literature. So I for one am not unhappy that I don't know of more.
Someone has bound to have written it. I'm not going to go look for it though.

>>49170152
>However, the main character is a ferengi and well, frankly, I am not /d/ enough for dealing with a small, orange, profit focused troll in my pornographic literature. So I for one am not unhappy that I don't know of more.
>Someone has bound to have written it. I'm not going to go look for it though.
Really? I thought it was a holonovel, so that the main character is whoever is using the program.

>>49170074
Holy shit.

Also daily reminder that Kira actor Nana Vistor and Bashir actor Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi got married irl.
I'm legit sad that they separated in 2001.

Also who knew, that my second favorite male actor of all time was from Sudan.

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>>49170204
>Pregnant Kira
>But it's Julian's baby
Super conflicted about it. The obvious answer is more Nerys.

>>49170247
Sweet fuck, if that suit were any tighter you'd be able to see her organs.

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>>49170264
If only Idelacio made TOS versions of all his ST characters, then we'd be cooking with dilithium.

>>49170173
Holonovel, actual novel, movies, audiobooks, this is the Ferengi, they'll sell as many versions of it as possible.

But it's implied the original is a story and the holonovel came later.

>>49170306
>then we'd be cooking with dilithium.
... what

>>49170306
>Uhura wearing something so tight you can see her clit

Fuck...

>Star Trek

What a bunch of nerds

Star Wars is better

>>49170204
He does seem to have caught Sean Bean Syndrome unfortunately.

I don't remember the last thing he was in where he didn't die.

>>49170412
He also has a ridiculously long name.
I didn't think people actually still had those.

>>49170441
The great thing about Arabic is that you can pile it on for basically as long as you want.

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>>49170352
His versions are short enough that I can't actually post them on a blue board. Suffice to say, there are piercings visible. Also, the later DS9 uniform has an under swimsuit type deal.

>>49170487
Then give me a damned link.

>>49170561
http://idelacio.tumblr.com/tagged/Star-Trek

Fourth post down has his TOS outfit.

>>49170627
That... was a little stranger than I thought. He seems to have an unhealthy fascination with the Caitians, or whatever they're called.

>>49170729
Nah, he gets commissions for pieces and goes through phases. Right now it's M'ress, before it was Seven of Nine, before that was Kira, and before that it was Uhura.

>>49170746
I only saw one with Uhura, and that also had the catgirl in it?

>>49170800
Here's pictures just tagged with Uhura. http://idelacio.tumblr.com/tagged/Uhura

>>49170831
Yeah, I figured that out pretty much as soon as I posted.

There's a good one of an Orion here that makes me think- there's a stupidly low amount of good stuff for them, considering that they're the archetypal hot alien woman.

>>49170873
The ratio of good to shit porn for trek overall is massively in favour of shit.

>>49170989
Yeah, what is with that? You'd think, for the progenitor of the green-skinned space babe, there'd be so much more.

I blame slash-ficcers. There were slash-fics being written before there was an internet to carry, for fuck's sake.

>>49171030
Trek fan-fic invented slash-fic. The "slash" refers to Kirk/Spock. Hell, Trek fandom invented a lot of the fandom garbage we see today, including the fan convention (before Trek, sci-fi conventions were for the professionals to network and stuff).

>>49171240
Dude, I know. They also invented the Mary Sue.

That's what I meant, I blame the slash-ficcers for taking center-stage and forcing the regular porn away.

>>49171332
I think the Mary concept is eternal. As long as there have been writers, there have been bad writers

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>>49171240
>before Trek, sci-fi conventions were for the professionals to network and stuff

yeah, nah.

>>49173548
>will never be as cool as that old man.
Feels bad man.

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>>49173540
Yeah, but it was only then that the trope was named.

>>49165115
...DS9 was finished before Clinton even left office.

Guy from last thread with the sucky Galaxy-X here, how is a good way of putting all my ship's stats and loadout on display for a screenshot?

>>49176979
>pull up loadout menu
>take screenshot
Stats aren't necessary, though if you have something particularly neato you can mention it.

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>>49177797
So, like this?

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>>49177976
Welp.

First off, for endgame? Stick to one weapon energy type (Phaser, disruptor, plasma, etc). There's a tac console for every flavor. You'll want Mark XII at the least, and there's plenty of mission replays that can net you what you need.

Second, get a full "set" of deflector/engine/shields from replays. Getting one that "meshes" with your preferred beam/cannon type is a plus, but not wholly necessary.

Those two steps alone should see your base damage rapidly approach the 1000 DPS mark. From there, it's a case of fiddling around with bridge officers and other equipment sets to see what works best for the individual.

>>49178300
I would play STO if the Cardassians were a playable race.

I'd name my ship 'Damar's Revenge'. Maybe 'Damar's Legacy'. Not sure which.

>>49170204
>you will never have a 27 syllable name

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>>49178557
You can kinda-sorta make them in the Alien generator. Also the Galor and soon-to-be Keldon are ingame (albeit as lockbox-lotto exclusive). They can be found on the Exchange for mad dosh.

>>49178663
Dang. Tempting, but I make it a rule to try and limit dlc/mmo cash investment. But thanks for letting me know!

>>49178663
>soon-to-be Keldon
(that is, for the time being, exclusively on xbone/PS4)

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>>49178735

Perfectly understandable.

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>>49163885

Go look at Starfleet Museum. There's plenty of stuff there, and it's all written better than the actual canon. You probably want a Paris-class or a Kestrel-class; those are by far the best PC ships ever written for Star Trek. Closer to canon, the Saladin is a rough equivalent, but looks completely retarded and is frankly a pretty boring ship.

There's a GM called Not entirely anon who sometimes posts to these threads with a well-detailed set of game notes for a game set in 2218 (under the original canon and pre-ENT, it was when the Feds encountered the Klingons and started having several near-misses around starting a war). It's built for LUG, but the fluff/map and universe guides he has for new players are phenomenal. He'd likely post them again if you asked and he saw it.

I saved his fluff guide last time it was posted. here.

>>49178824
See, that is EXACTLY the kind of shit I'd sink my virtua-bucks into if I wasn't careful. Truly, this game was made by at least one Ferengi.

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>>49179125
Actually, the horta miners are all purchasable using the ingame currency.

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The Axanar definition is exceedingly poignant, and I find it hilarious.

>>49178300
Updating this a bit.
Sticking with one weapon type works these days too, since vulnerability locators and such can be found also in BEAM and CANNON forms.

>>49180092
>Axanar
Might need to travel to Andoria to get some ice for that sick burn.

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>>49180236
Fair point. Forgot about those.

I once built a "skittles boat" with random turrets and cannon consoles. Melted the shit out of enemy shields.

>>49180609
>Snap Dragon
I can still hear the shitty music and announcer.

>>49180092
>Sensors Locked
Great, now I'm gonna use this as a replacement for "dat ass" in my head. Forever.

>>49180551
And the sick burn predates it by almost 25 years too!

>>49180658
I've gotten a couple of people to use it out loud, so don't feel bad.

>>49180609
They're still weaker than ENERGY TYPE ones by a fair margin. If you want to be a rainbow warrior, just get chronitons.

>>49180648
"Let's give a hand to the crew of the SNAP DRAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!"

>>49155091
should i watch the tng movies if i want closure for the characters? i heard that they were god awful and that they were made for people who weren't really fans of star trek

>>49180092
Orion is the new Jew.

>>49180930
Despite what the one shitposter who bitches about the TNG movies says, they range from great (First Contact), a good TNG episode (Generations), it's a weak episode of the show (Insurrection) and "it's been almost 10 years since the show went off the air, we'd like to stop now" (Nemesis). People like to bitch about Generations being really weak, but frankly, I think it's a solid, if unimaginative at its heart movie. Plus the crash of the -D is a gorgeous effects shot. First Contact has its detractors because of muh Zefran Cochrane and Picard going apeshit because of the Borg, but it's a good entry. Insurrection is mostly forgettable, and really should have instead been about what the Enterprise was doing during the Dominion War. And Nemesis was clearly a case of "we need a Trek movie, dammit!"

>>49180976
What about the Ferengi?

>>49181002
The Academy slang is from the TNG Officer's manual, made with first season and production bible material. So the Ferengi weren't the space jews causing us to keep an eye on our Latinum we know today. Hell, the early bible of TNG said that the Klingons had joined the Federation!

>>49180930
First Contact was okay if you take into account that Piccard is having 'Nam flash backs through most of it.

Generations had some good moments.

Insurrection was dogshit on Andor Toast.

Nemesis was the most depressing of them because it was the last and the basic idea was good and they fucked it up in the execution so hard.

>>49177976

I'd recommend ditching the cannons. The Gal-X doesn't turn fast enough to take advantage of them, and you'd be better served by another set of phaser banks.

Also... I'd drop the torpedoes. In general, if you spec for energy weapons and the new long range targeting skill, you'll do a lot more damage with broadsiding with seven or even eight beams (though eight may draw a lot of system power).

Also, set your weapon to 100. You can afford to lower your shield power down by quite a lot.

Personally, I run shield power really low, since the hardness and regen are tiny and isn't as effective at reducing damage like the defense bonus you get from speed does.

My main is science, so I'm something of an Aux. power whore, but Aux power affects the scaling of healing powers and science abilities like Gravity Well. If you're gonna tank, you need healing powers to keep up with the damage you're taking. Having huge hull hit points will help, but if you can't repair that damage, you're still gonna die.

I'd replay the mission A Step Between the Stars to get the Solanae set. It's a decent set with good bonuses and will tide you over for a while.

On consoles... Drop the three engineering consoles you've got behind that universal. Get a neutronium console (if you're level 60 you can get a Mk. XIII purple from the Delta arc of missions).

This link should help:

>https://www.reddit.com/r/stobuilds/comments/2j805v/story_missions_with_good_gear/

I also highly recommend that you get your bridge officers trained (the trainer is under the stairs next to Admiral Quinn "Medicine Woman"'s office).

>>49180930
Picard never escaped The Nexus. The movies are his repressed Kirkian Action Hero Fantasies, culminating in despair by the end of Nemesis.

>>49181141
Oh fuck. Could you imagine CBS pulling a "Dallas" on everyone with this just to get one more TNG cast movie out? The nerd rage would generate more salt than the Dead Sea.

>>49177976
>>49181065

>>49177976
>>49181065

>What to train for?

Get the highest Emergency Power to Weapons power you can train/buy off the exchange. I don't know your career, but if you haven an engineer character, they need to make Emergency Power to Weapons III pronto for your ship. And you should train one of your engineer BOFFs with that, and Emergency Power to Weapons I (doubling up on powers lowers the cooldown).

Judging by the layout of the T5 Gal-X here are my recommendations for powers:

>Lt. Tactical

Tactical Team, Beam - Fire at Will II

>Ensign Universal

Beam - Fire at Will I

>Lt Science

You can leave this as is, or switch Hazard Team for Tachyon Beam I or Tractor Beam I

>Lt. Commander Engineering

Emergency Power to Weapons I, Engineering Team II, Emergency Power to Weapons III

>Commander Engineering

Emergency Power to Shields I, Emergency Power to Shields II, Auxiliary Power to the Structural Integrity Field II, Auxiliary
Power to the Structural Integrity Field III

Run threatening stance and mash Structural Integrity III for damage resistance and temporary health. You might not want to do that in queues though.

>Power Levels

Set weapon power to 100. Set Aux to 50 or 60, and Engine power to 50 or 40. Leave Shield power at 15. It doesn't affect how much shield HP you have (Field Generators, the Shield itself, and your skills do that). Shield power is (as mentioned before) "shield hardness" which reduces damage to the shield HP by a very small amount, and shield base regeneration, which is never enough to cope with damage. Heal your shields with Science Team II and Emergency Power to Shields II.

I'd recommend searching the STO Builds subreddit for more guides. You may also want to get a keybind editor and bind some keys (particularly useful if you bind a particular row of abilities to fire off when you press the key - as has been mentioned before in these threads, don't bind to spacebar, it resets weapon cycles and hampers your DPS).

>>49181141
Why stop there?
All Good Things and everything that follows is just the delusion of Picard as he nears death.

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Bumping reminder for people with Table Top Simulator
We've got a steam group for Star Trek Attack Wing players, and we've got complete models for three of the factions now, and up to date content otherwise.
Generally speaking, the current tournament format + faction purity is pretty solid with the various rulings that have been around for some time now.
If you want to play a ST starship combat game with all the post-TOS content, this is it.

pic is dramatization, it's typically 3 ships per player.

>>49181282
Looks good. I've never played Attack Wing, what's it like?

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>>49181297
tl;dr: It's not very new but is now coming together nicely. More freeform X-Wing with more stuff both official and unofficial.

X-Wing, but more customization and a fuck ton of factions, content, and cross-faction time traveling shenanigans. It had a rough post-launch for a few years since Wizkids is slow to respond to stuff which killed both it's reputation and the playerbase. Now the only real problem with it is that the Feds are the "best" faction simply because they have the most content to draw from (go figure). Biggest stuff was fixed and the remaining minor has a library of homebrew options.

The IRL game has it's own issues being IRL. The paintjobs are Wizkid quality but at X-Wing prices, though the models themselves are excellent aside from being scaled up/down to roughly equal sizes. A lot of ships/cards need ships/cards from other packs, so it's difficult to play official without buying a fuckton of stuff you weren't going to use moreso than X-Wing. Plus a lot of hard-to-find limited packs which are tied to official tournament prize packs, which then get flipped on E-Bay for stupid prices. Basically you'd think Wizkids hated their customers.

Casual play was more casual than X-Wing, tourney play was toxic filth due to official prizes with exclusive content (which is Included in Table Top Simulator).

The slow response from Wizkids to get fixer content, rulings, and better format rules, led to a huge plethora of homebrew to choose from. The game was pretty interesting from a homebrew perspective since the official was basically 80% finished for a couple of years and it had the pressure of the StarTrek fanbase against it.

Pic is player painted.

Daily reminder that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Unless its a fountain of youth that could save/improve the lives of trillions and the few is a couple of hundred luddites in a hippie commune.

Also Piccard guilt tripped Riker into letting a little girl die.

Also Piccard stood by and watched a world die and made no attempt to save the lives of any of the sapient people that lived there.

Also Picard had the opportunity to at least attempt to kill the Borg and decided against it. Every death that resulted, millions upon millions, is at least partly his fault.

Also Piccard let Troi have job on his ship.

Remind me why Picard is better than James "fuck all T green bitches" Kirk?

>>49181665
>Remind me why Picard is better than James "fuck all T green bitches" Kirk?

Because he's not a rapist.

>>49181438
Sounds like something I'd try out. Probably wouldn't do IRL because my painting skills are dogshit.

>>49182004
Neither was Kirk.

Also despite what your shitty hyper-liberal feminist lecturer might try to claim not all sex is rape nor are all men closet rapists.

>>49179200
i really really love that ship but it looks like a vibrator.

>>49180609
how the fuck did you get a hold of that red matter capacitor.

>>49182547
The crew of the SNAAAAAAAAAAP DRAAAAGOOOON probably stole it.

>>49182571
jesus christ please stop.

If at least they had the arena background noises.
But no as he yess SNAP DRAGOOOON, the lastsyllable just echoes in complete silence
and that's really shit.

>>49180798
It's only a 4% cat1 difference for the vulnerability locators at mk 12. With beams that's literally 4 dps extra per locator (before all the cat2+ bonuses of course). Rainbow-boating is perfectly viable if you're not chasing the last few deeps at the high end.

>>49180976
I preferred the idea that the Orions were all Poles. Green-skinned space women with husky slavic accents, yes sir!

>>49183142
Still prefer it when Klingon is Slav

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEckY-TUv9I

>>49183691
Klingons are Russians. Orions are West Slavs, ostensibly assimilated into the international community, but still practicing tbeir slavic ways out of sight. Similar attitude to women, too.

>>49180996

The two part TNG episode "All Good Things" is probably the best closure you're going to get for TNG.

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>>49182532
The ship name is French for "dildo". I literally could not resist.

>>49182547
Sadly, I've been playing since closed beta.

>>49185693
Ah, Nimbus 3, what a worthwhile arc.

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>>49186366
I hope you weren't being sarcastic becaue i absolutely LOVE nimbus 3.
If one could buy apartments that's where i'd buy mine.
Or esd.
ESD is also cool.

>>49185693
GORNED

>>49187522
Fully customizable player housing plus good off duty outfit might convince me to start playing again.

>>49187690
How can Mammal-Bois compete?

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>>49187522
>>49187834
That would be fucking hot.
I'd like this view please.

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>>49187854
but this view is also not to be shunned.

>>49187854
>so which quarters would you like, admiral?
>the one with the Terran suicide shuttle about to wreck my shit, please.

>>49187854
>>49187888
Definitely, would also like to set up a nice Roman villa on Mars.

>>49187922
Mars isn't terraformed though.
You could do the same on Vulcan though, looks about the same.

>>49187913
That is the landing pad outside of ESD.
I didn't mean EXACTLY there.
>Admiral where would you like your quarters to be?
>>Right here.
>But Sir this is a landing pad exposed to open space.
>>Did i stutter ensign?

>>49188006
>Ensign, which part of SPACE man, SPACE admiral from SPACE, the ace of SPACE have you missed?

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>>49188031
the iconians seem to actually think this way.
their bridges are literally in open space presumably just protected by invisible forcefields.

>>49188006
Isn't it? Besides, build a cute little pressure dome over it, on a nice hill overlooking the Utopia Planitia complex. Drink Picard wine while watching the ships get built.

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Apropos screenshots.
Someone explain this bullshit to me.

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Tell me admirals, are you SWOLE?

>>49188078
Most Trek ships are made out of forcefields and bullshit, so it's a logical next step. I'd love a heavily stylized ship with lots of open spaces like that, though I'd probably need a lot of getting used to before I stopped shitting my pants due to OH FUCK THAT'S SPACE.

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>>49188203
i didn't realize potatoes could be swole.

>>49188258
That's...a staggering number of injuries. Well done.

>>49188406
The best part was that the injury deck is treated like a separate inventory, so since it was full the new injuries were filling my overflow bag.

anyway.
got any explanation for this?
>>49188213
>>49188184

>>49188440
I don't understand. What needs explaining? That looks like Q's Winter Wonderland to me.

>>49188548
that's the same character
look at the face.
switch rapidly between the pictures maybe

>>49188572
>>49188548
..........
my point is that his head is wider than the helmet.
Like twice as wide.
Is the spacesuit helmet ALWAYS this ridiclously thin?
The spacesuit seems to adapt to other body features.

>>49188741
He's also not looking straight on in the first screenshot, which makes his head appear wider than it actually is.

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>>49188258
Way back when Delta Rising still had the "new expansion smell", the potato boff could be customized. Sadly, they patched it out after the first few weeks. It'd be nice to have SOME options for the special boffs.

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>>49188203
Maybe a little.

>>49188778
...
trust me it would be the same if he would have looked right into the camera.

>>49181282
>ST:AW on TTS in 3D
FINALLY. No 3D romulans yet?

I wonder if we can organize some game events?

In my game of Decipher, i'm about to give the guys an upgrade, upgrading them from an Excelsior-Class to a Galaxy-Class. We are in the middle of the Dominion war and our last session was Stardate 51121.7. Do I throw them into Operation Return and have her go out in a blaze of glory, or do I say that they get her mothballed to upgrade the crew to a more powerful ship?

>>49188824
>buff beefy mcmanlet sexmachine
>in the uss rich man

I WANT TO HEAR OF HIS ADVENTURES

>>49188987
In the grim darkness of ds9, there is only war. Have the senior officers go on shore leave, and the ship reassigned to convoy duty and promptly destroyed with all hands in the meantime.

>>49188987

No Excelsiors are getting mothballed in the Dominion War; if it floats it goes to the front line.

Have the PCs reassigned to a freshly built Galaxy (big ships need experienced crew) and maybe have their old ship show up later on to tug on the heart strings.

>>49188824
MMO player base in one image

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>>49190158
kek

>>49169664

Space is big. Really, really big. Like other anon said, you may know all the stars in your "territory", how many planets they havw, ext, but if you're in a setting where it's worth sending people there than you haven't really explored.

Look at all the wacky shit they find in each episode. Probes must've missed all that. Hense they send people.

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>>49188824
All the strength in the galaxy won't help you if you can't reach what you're grasping for.

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Not a regular a regular Trekkie or abything, but is there any sort of wiki type thing about the SFB ships and stuff? Pic related I think? I love this type of lore, and Memory Alpha/Beta is all "canon" stuff

>>49191852
No, ADB are dicks about their licenses and for good reason. There's a guy on Discord that maintains a SFB pdf repository, but that's about it.

So, what kind of music does everyone like? We're doing the Coalition-Romulan War from ENT era in our setting. Anyone got some good Trek-style space battle music? Romulans are about to make a major push and try to take Vulcan, so we need something long and epic.

>>49192394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tm3Va2SvP4&list=PLqc913d10gTPfGNqRtza37IYFKU2Wyh_t

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qcUlZqrlT0&index=4&list=PLqc913d10gTPfGNqRtza37IYFKU2Wyh_t

>>49192394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kctzvUY5txM

>>49190836
That's what Wesley Crusher's manportable tractor beam projector is for

>>49193842
SHUT UP, WESLEY!
And quit talking in the third person. You were never that important.

Does the structural integrity field mean that the Enterprise would simply come apart if it were ever 100% without power? If not, what is its purpose?

>>49194583

No, I think the space metals ships are made out of are tough enough not to simply do that without the SIF.
If it accelerated at all though, then all bets are off.

That said, pretty much any time the Structural Integrity Field goes offline in the middle of a fight the ship pretty much instantly explodes. Inertial Dampners? Those things shut down all the time, but the SIF? That's basically death in the middle of combat if it goes down.

That said, I still wouldn't reccommend punching any of the windows when the thing is down, moving or not.

>>49194583
In universe it strengthens and reinforces the preexisting material structural integrity. So take the Defiant, without the SIF, you have have a tough little ship, with it you have a adamantine brick for Sisko to bitchslap gods around with. I imagine it would be more important for ships like the Galaxy class which would have enormous stresses on some of its weaker joints. TOS and TMP ships seem to lack it and just be built to be tanks. Which is kinda funny since they are the most fiddly.

>>49191922

Oh

>>49181665
Whats the problem with Troi?

>>49194704
Inertial dampeners just allow the ship to undergo hilarious accelerations without turning the crew into so much jelly on the opposing bulkhead to its direction of movement (e.g., rear bulkheads when accelerating forward). Pretty sure you'll notice that when they complain about the inertial dampeners going offline, they're then going in a straight line without changing velocity.

>>49195825
The placement of the module with the deflector just annoys me aesthetically. It's probably violating some rule of positioning, and should be further back or something.

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>>49195825
>ad eundum quo nemo ante iit

So I knew what that would mean, but just for fun I put it into Google Translate. Those nerds know what's up--see pic related.

>>49162403
The Four Years War had just ended, and a lot of Federation member worlds didn't like how the Federation had handled the war, so there was less support of Starfleet and more support for local planetary defense fleets.

>>49163885
Probably something like a Saladin or Miranda class, they still have fairly large crews (about half as much as a heavy cruiser), generally nothing smaller than that in the TOS era has real combat capabilities. The Oberth class might be more the size you have in mind (80 crew standard, but can be operated by 5), but it's only defensively armed and generally only designed to operate in safe sectors.

>>49169269
They have food replicators, so supply isn't too much of an issue. And they do occassionally visit starbases, "5 Year Mission" doesn't mean it's doesn't return to base at all in that time, it's that for a 5 year period, its standing orders are to explore the galaxy, rather than say patrolling the Federation core or doing training missions or sitting in drydock.

>>49169664
If you look at the map in the Star Fleet Technical Manual, the "Federation territory" looks kind of weird. There's a very small core where all the Federation member worlds are, and a vast area of space that's mostly undeveloped but largely "claimed" by the Federation. They do have a few bases and outposts in that region.

>>49196919
>>49169664
I love how the Federation acts like a little kid that points to something and says, "See those stars over there? They're mine now." and then have the gall to get pissed when someone says, "Yeah, nah." and ignores them.

>>49196919
is that the original technical manual? cos that shit changed a lot later on.

>>49197117
More like "we plopped down ten adults and two kids; it's a federation colony now". Romulans, Tholians, etc. are the ones that annex space without staking claims. >muh natural expansion and all that jazz.

>>49197529
MANIFEST DESTINY!

>>49195873
Yes, it should be halfway between the nacelles and the middle of the saucer. However, the mini secondary hull makes so much more sense than just hanging a deflector of the bottom of the saucer, I'm not sure why no one did it before on TOS ships.

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>>49195825
>>49195873
>>49199576
Bonaventure class looks better

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>>49197529
>Romulans
>not staking claims
So we dropped five thousand ground troops, a large scale cloaking device, two hundred plasma torpedoes, and a disruptor battery from a D'deridex here. Oh, and a single civilian who may or may not be a Tal Shiar operative. This is now a defenseless civilian outpost. Says so right there in that intelligence report you're holding.

>>49197579
I think the Romulans call it Unlimited Expansion, after a similar policy adopted by the Roman Republic

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>>49201598
Looks familiar.

>>49195873
It's the starting ship for STO if you start as 23rd century Fed.

For that reason alone it's goofiness is forgivable.

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>>49202713
>forgivable.

This we do not forgive.

>>49203050
And that's the expression I imagine all the Klingon councillors and commanders had when the entire Klingon story arc got done with one of those shitty 23c ships.

For them it must have seemed like Kirk himself had returned to fuck their shit up.

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>>49202338
>that random cut-out on the bulge above the saucer
This will never stop triggering me.

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>>49203092
The Klingon storyarc is despicable.

Do they seriously torture a guy until he gives them the Sol defense grid access codes? And then murder him? And THEN kill everyone on board of his disabled ship?

>>49203118
They died in glorious battle!
Except the captain. That little petaq should have died before giving the codes up.

>>49203161
>They died in glorious battle!
Yeah.... defenseless.
On a disabled ship.
That we shot to bits.
Then we used the access codes that we extorted from the captain believing he could save the defenseless people on his ship....
To sneak up on the federation and mount an attack on defenseless not battle ready ships before they could even arm weapons.

The fucking talshiar were more honorable than this.

>>49203194
Don't go inserting your white euro-centric human values of honor on aliens you shitlord.

>>49203194
>Not building the weapon systems first and then the ship around it
>Not having your shipyard armed at all times
PetaQ!

>>49203102
What the fuck am I looking at?

>>49203289
>white euro-centric human values of honor on aliens you shitlord
....
You have quite a big mouth for someone who bashed the romulans for being dishonorable when they did HALF the things you did in that mission.

>>49203370
that's the point.
the shipyard was armed
you disabled the defense grid, via extortion and treachery, and then bombed the defenseless ships which were still trying to get weapons online, but you didn't give them enough time.


it's like sneaking into someones house with a stolen key, and stabbing them in their bed before they can grab their bat'leth

>>49203413
>Not having weapons online at all times on your ships
>Not buying a trusted old Targ to guard your door from treacherous night stabbers
Again, PetaQ!

>>49203194
>>49203413
It's the same principle that makes it honorable to massacre patients in a hospital (besides allowing them an honorable death in GLORIOUS BATTLE instead of dying from disease or other dishonorable things). Basically, as long as they know you're there, it counts as GLORIOUS BATTLE. Not being prepared for GLORIOUS BATTLE at all times is your own fault. However, stabbing a guy in his sleep doesn't count, because he isn't aware; same thing with hidden poison, etc.

>>49203479
Sounds about right. After all, VICTORY AT SEA is the most honourable thing possible.

>>49203479
>It's GLORIOUS BATTLE TIME!
>No, Captain, no!

>>49203577
>>49203479
And it therefore makes it just so sad that they aren't any good at it no matter where they shift the goal posts of what counts as GLORIOUS BATTLE.

>>49203694
That's what happens when you're an antagonist race. At least they don't get assimilated twice on every mission like the Romulans.

>>49201618
>who may or may not be a Tal Shiar operative

Don't kid yourself.

>>49203717
Jem'Hadar were an antagonist race and, with the exception of Worf, fucked up the Klingons.

>>49203767
That's because late DS9's designated jobbers were the Cardassians. Also, we shit on Jem'hadar enough in the mmo.

>>49203725
When a civilian on a Romulan ship tells you they are not a Tal'shiar operative you believe them because;

1. they aren't Tal'shiar and spreading rumours that they are is only going to make you look stupid if you are lucky

2. They actually are a Tal'shiar operative and do you really want to disobey an order from them whilst on their ship?

>>49203797
Not as much as the Klingons get shit on.

Raw cadets take out a warship in a 70 year old Miranda and then proceed to tear the Klingon Empire a new orifice.

Yes the Klingon playthrough might have something similar where the Federation gets it's shit shoved in but honestly who cares, nobody plays Klingons.

>>49203845
Not nearly to the same degree.
Then again, Romulans have the only decent intro arc despite tearing the Empire a new asshole in a Kirk-era warbird.

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>>49203813
Spoken like a true milquetoast.

>>49203813
Or that Civilian could "disappear under unfortunate circumstances". After all, the Ship's Commander is king/queen of their own petty kingdom.

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>>49204211
Who you calling "petty," bitch?

The only reason the Mogai's so small is because it represents Romulan captains becoming less self-sufficient and following the chain of command more rigidly.

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>>49204910
That's why I like the Ar'Kif, so much. It has the aesthetic of the Mogai with the HEUGness of the D'deridex.

>>49204910
For the record, a Petty Kingdom is the equivalent of a Duchy, which is between 3-5 Earldoms or Counties. So we're still talking about thousands of people

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>>49205231
The Juju actually represents what I hope future Rom ships would look like.

>>49181665
>Unless its a fountain of youth that could save/improve the lives of trillions and the few is a couple of hundred luddites in a hippie commune.

I've tried to sit through that movie at least 3 times. It has not yet happened.

>>49205231
Are they really that swole? I haven't seen one in forever.

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>>49205592
>>49205231
They are smaller than the Mogai.

>>49205656
I need to dust my Mirror Hiccups off.

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Is there any good info on Harrison's time? Like, after TOS and the movies, but before TNG?

>>49207541
You might try The Lost Era novels. Some will consider them non canon but they're a good read, and at least one is rooted in an incident mentioned in passing on one of the TV shows

>>49207582
Plot?

>>49207600
Differs by book, Harrison's novel takes place on the Romulan border during the Tomad Incident (I think), there's one involving Riker's father, one involves Uhura and Tuvok tracking down an illness in the neutral zone, another details the conflict between the cardassians and the klingons during the Betreka nebula incident, and one involves Captain Garrett and the cardassians. That's what I remember anyways, it's been awhile.

What's this old Bridge Commander game about/like?

>>49207686
The Activision one?

>>49207714
Yeah.

I just wandered onto its section on nexusmods, there's a lot of stuff here.

>>49207741
It's pretty good, you can either play it as a flight simulator like Starfleet Academy or there's an interface where you can issue orders to bridge officers who will then carry them out automatically and relatively efficiently. Overall I would say it's one of the best trek games. Never got the voice activation technology working though

>>49207775
I see. Been doing some research, it's really old. Most of the stuff on nexus is actually from something called filefront, which got shut down earlier this year and all the stuff (I think) got shuffled to the nexus, which shows how long this has been going for.

Could probably pick it up cheap somewhere, assuming it's not on GOG, I just wonder if it will run on my PC.

>>49207823
I think it will run on modern systems, but I can't guarantee it since I haven't played it in forever

>>49207823
>>49207848
Can confirm that bridge commander runs on 8 and 10. I have the disk version installed on 2 computers and I've had a pretty smooth run with it. I've heard of some compatibility issues but there are loads of fan made patches for any issues you might come across.

>>49208397
Noice. Lets just hope that they all made it onto nexus.

Anybody got a fix for Star Trek New Worlds? Can't find a version of it that runs on 8/10. It's probably one of my favourite Trek games just because it's so unique.

>>49208684
To my knowledge it's impossible to get it running on anything newer than XP. I've tried for years to get it working, and the most success I've had in almost 10 years is I've gotten to run on a shitty laptop running 2000 that can barely play the game. It doesn't seem to work with virtual machines either so your best bet is to just build a legit Win 95/98/ME/2000 machine to run it.

>>49205496
It's much more in keeping with the pre existing Romulan aesthetic than some of the other Arc-designed ships.

>>49203194
Klingon definitions of "honor" and "glorious battle" are rather different than Worf's definitions there.

He's more a Klingaboo than an actual Klingon, and a lot of his ideas of honor and glory are strongly influenced as much by human ideals thereof as by idealized (rather than real) Klingon ones.

You beat your enemy, whether via sneaky ambush or open combat? GLORIOUS VICTORY

Your enemy died, whether without getting a chance to fight, with a knife in the back, or being a helpless civilian slaughtered by Klingon raiders? THEY DIED IN GLORIOUS BATTLE, THE HONORED DEAD

You killed a trembling ten year old holding a makeshift club with a disrupter? HONORABLE VICTORY

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>>49209846
ARC Romulans really are hit and miss, though I dig the command series. They remind me of the new-series ships in Starfleet Command. Now if I only could pack the plasma destabilizer and the warhead console into them and pretend I have a plas-R and multiple firing modes...

>>49210084
>You beat your enemy, whether via sneaky ambush or open combat?
no because if someone not klingon attempts that they say "That's treachery worthy of a ROMULAN!"

>Your enemy died, whether without getting a chance to fight, with a knife in the back, or being a helpless civilian slaughtered by Klingon raiders?
No, because that's disgraceful and something that people (Klingons) actually got dragged in front of the high council for.

>You killed a trembling ten year old holding a makeshift club with a disrupter? HONORABLE VICTORY
Well he was clearly armed.


Seriously though, the klingons wouldn't have made peace with the federation in the first place if they were such fucking villains with no respect for life and no compassion at all.

>>49210152
This. The clearest criterion that decided whether GLORIOUS BATTLE actually occured seems to be this: did they put up a fight, however token it might have been? Or at least: were they theoretically capable of doing so?

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Obviously, if they surrender they're now Imperial subjects and not to be harmed, and if they don't they're warriors and it'd be a horrible insult not to murderize them.

There's basically nobody in the Star Trek universe that you would want to surrender to, barring the federation. It nearly always entails torture, murder or re-education.

>>49210921
I don't know if i would want to surrender to the feddies either.
After all, we never get to hear what they do to their prisoners.

>>49210185
>Or at least: were they theoretically capable of doing so?
This. Some half-disabled blokes are running away while you raid the hospital? If they could run, they could fight, so it's fair; they're just in retreat at the moment. That guy in a coma? Impromptu modified hegh'bat.

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>>49210152

>klingons wouldn't have made peace

They almost didn't. Hell, the person Starfleet sent to take them up on the offer of peace was so blinded by his hatred of them he didn't take the klingon offering peace seriously until he was dead.

And even then, both sides were conspiring to get the war they'd "always wanted". It would have trashed the Federation and the Klingon Empire would have died ("gloriously"), but at the end of the day, the klingons would have been a shadow of what they had been.

Gorkon wanted peace because it was clear the Empire couldn't survive the way it was, and they were in decline. Praxis only hastened that decline, putting the screws to the pro-war faction to act as soon as possible.

Not everyone can be a warior. An Empire can't sustain itself on war alone. Change and the future are frightening for those who stand to lose everything and can't see a way out.

>klingon notions of honor and treachery

It's glorious victory if you don't get caught. It's treachery if you do. If someone catches you, calls you out, and you kick his ass for impugning your honor, well, clearly it WAS glorious victory, and the guy who called you out was an honorless p'taQ.

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I am not the most well versed on what all exists in trekland, is there such a thing as a people trying to find home? Not on an individual/ship scale, we obviously have Voyager, but an entire civilization that realizes the shithole they've been leaving on isn't actually their home system, so they pile everyone into some ships and go looking.

>>49211391
I think Talaxians had a sorta thing like that going on, though they weren't as closely knit together as Hiigarans.
Also imo they are the gungans of this universe.

>>49160058
>Random square
>This goes nowhere, does nothing
>Picnics
These are always great.

>>49210959
We see what happens though, the Vorta that surrendered that they later gave to the Ferengi got 3 hots and a cot, and the only bad thing would have been all the SI debriefings

>>49210959
Better than the Klingons and Romulans who take no Prisoners, and the Cardassians who practically torture them.

>>49211454
>weapon systems
>aux power
>hair dryers
>impulse reactor
>picnic

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>>49213112
>Duck.

>>49212088
Except both of them do and Cardassians don't practically torture them, they properly torture them.

>>49212070
>3 hots
>Vorta can only taste a very limited number of things
>is now trapped in the blandest of environments, with the blandest of food, with the blandest group of people on the planet, getting asked bland boring questions by people who are too nice to actually try and break you

How did that Vorta not kill itself.

Because one of the questioners or the cot was a changling and it had its god

>>49210959
We see a few examples throughout the shows.

Tom Paris, a Starfleet defector, gets sent to a penal colony with general living necessities provided.
Eddington, another defector to the Maquis gets imprisoned, but still fed and provided some amount of time for activities.
As mentioned before, the Vorta is fed and bedded.
Doctor Singh, a notorious augmenter, is locked away, but still provided writing materials to keep himself occupied.

The important thing to remember is that even the harshest federation prison sentences (hard labour in a penal colony, isolated confinement) are better than being sent to a Cardassian "labour camp", Rura Penthe or Remus. The Tholians use humanoid prisoners as slave labour with little interest in their survival. The Breen basically do the same thing as the Cardassians. God knows what the Gorn do. The Orians sell you in to Slavery/turn you into food.

Your best bet, besides the Federation, is probably one of the minor powers. The Bajorans are probably fairly civilised about prisons. I have no idea what sort of prison system the Ferengi operate.

>>49213462
Knowing the Ferengi it's probably just some form of indentured servitude

>>49213148
Possibly the most vital part of any starship.

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>>49213462
>or Remus.
To be fair... The prisoners there managed to build an entire dreadnought class superstarship, the Scimitar.
They couldn't have had it THAT bad in between the beatings and the hard labor.

>>49213462
Gorn, if following the SFB lore for them, are probably pretty ok.

Whenever I come across these threads I have to go watch Star Trek. In this case, TOS, which is the best of the shows.

I think the dumbest piece of Star Trek lore is that some autist actually came up with an in universe explanation for why Klingons look different between TOS and TOS movies, instead of simply handwaving it away as an obvious improvement of special effects technology and budget .

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>>49213718
>TOS, which is the best of the shows.
I like you, have an andorian +2

>>49213718
Perhaps not the dumbest but I agree.

Whoever it was that suggested for the DS9 crossover with the tribbles, the joke should have been that Worf just suddenly looked like an original series Klingon and nobody even mentioned it, they were right.

Just doing that would have solved everything. And prevented that damned attempt at explaining it further (to really fuck it up) attempt in Enterprise.

>>49213820
>>49213718
I actually loved that explanation so fucking much.
It's just ingenious, super creative, and adds depth to the klingons where there previously was none except "Harrgh we warriors! HONOR!!!'

>>49213820
>Whoever it was that suggested for the DS9 crossover with the tribbles, the joke should have been that Worf just suddenly looked like an original series Klingon and nobody even mentioned it, they were right.
While that would have been awesome, on the other hand their little handwave joke worked just fine for what they were doing.
Lets be honest about ENT, it would have fucked it up anyways because of who was running it.

>>49213805
Reading my mind; I was watching the one where the fake Andorian frames Sarek and shanks Kirk. None of them were babes in that one though.

>>49213895
As many others have pointed out, the character of Worf seems to have twisted the perception of what the Klingons are. He's obsessed with a human idea of what honor is.

Other Klingons seem to be more realistic in their approach. Though often are dumb punching bags that make you wonder how they can maintain a space faring civilization.

>>49213895
>adds depth to the klingons where there previously was none except "Harrgh we warriors! HONOR!!!'
It has occurred to me that the Klingons are going back in time. TOS-TMP Klingons had a much more sophisticated culture from what we saw, and then in TNG they became more primitive, and then in DS9 they seemed to become MORE primitive, and then in STO they reached maximum barbarian somehow.

P.S. I know mirror ds9 isn't much loved around here, but I am rewatching them just to enjoy all the Ham, especially from Kira and Warf.

>>49213992
>just to enjoy all the Ham,
Remember that VOY episode with Kes being evil?
...
That is top notch.
I loved that so fucking much

>>49214105
Best part of VOY for me has always been the Warship Voyager and Captain Proton. You could feed China with all the ham produced.

So for those of you in the know, how much out of scale are the attack wing models compared to, oh say, SFB miniatures.

I need to know for science.

The science of mashing the universes together and then using Federation Commander or Talon to tabletop with my group

>>49214826

The scale is weird. Some ships are scaled up, some are scaled down so that they're all roughly of similar size.

I posted in a Star Trek thread some time ago that I wanted to see a human Security Officer that was as obsessed with mastering their chosen field as the human engineers and scientists. You know, someone that has studied every facet of combat, be it strategic, tactical, and personal, who can out-fight half a dozen klingons, and scare the monster of the week, rather than just get steamrolled by it.

I was just rewatching TOS for the first time in, oh, at least ten years, and I saw the Doomsday Machine episode for the first time since I was a youngin', somehow having missed it through various years of reruns on tv since then.

The fight between Decker and that Redshirt is one of the best fight coreographies and performances that I've seen in the whole series, right up there with the best hand to hand fights in DS9. Hands-down the best human security officer performance I've ever seen. Decker was awesome, too. Even as Star-Treky as it was, with the doublehanded axe chops and all.

Man, why couldn't more of ST's fight scenes be that good?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah-AuF_X0EY

>>49216570
>human Security Officer that was as obsessed with mastering their chosen field as the human engineers and scientists
Would this Security Officer have approached martial sciences and arts as something to be studied and mastered, to better control the murderous and genocidal instincts that Kirk and Picard had railed against?
That while others simply suppress their urge for violence, he faces it and controls it through self-discipline in spite of embracing it?

>>49217105
Partially, yes. He'd be as rational and in-control as anyone else in Starfleet, when it comes to violence. But, given that he's in the branch of Starfleet most closely linked to violence, to deny its existence or attempt to pretend that it isn't part of human nature?

You cannot master the art of violence without embracing it to some degree, even if your intent is to protect others.

>>49213462
My guess is that the Ferengi put you in a prison and after that you have to pay for all of the stuff you want.
Food, bed, clothes or whatever, similar to some middle age prisons on earth.

Ferengi prisons are probably a lot like that one mining outpost you visit in STO, only without the pretense of the workers having a choice in the matter.

"Sure once you've worked off your debt you're free to leave, but hey, food and shelter isn't cheap."

>>49213992
>>49214105
>>49214146
I think we're all forgetting the doctor's brush with command in the form of the ECH. That's some fine smoked and cured ham right there

>>49219949
That was a Doctor episode.

Doctor was the best thing about VOY.

>>49221471
I'm not disagreeing, but he certainly had his fair share of ham.

>>49204910
>The only reason the Mogai's so small is because it represents Romulan captains becoming less self-sufficient and following the chain of command more rigidly.

The same could be said of the Sovereign compared to the Galaxy. Less solitary exploration, more tightly-knit military structure.

>>49221689
We don't even really know why the D'Deridex was so big to begin with. Despite its large size, the majority of it was empty space. Seems like a weird design choice

>>49221715
>Seems like a weird design choice
That was the point.

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>>49221715
>We don't even really know why the D'Deridex was so big to begin with

Look, if you had one shot, or one opportunity, to make the huegest ship you could ever want in one moment, would you capture it, or just let it slip?

>>49214105
Polygamous Bisexual Warlord Kes was best Kes.

Hey, on a semi-related note, when Harry Kim finally became a man on that generation ship and got that STD, was that the real Harry, or was that the Goo Crew? Is there any evidence one way or the other? I need to believe that baby Harry really did become a man that day.

>>49222223
>Polygamous Bisexual Warlord Kes was best Kes.
>one post away from hextuples.
yes
yes indeed she was.

test: >>49222222

>>49222223
>Goo Crew
Gonna suggest this piece of shit waste of everyone's time episode never happened, like the Warp 10 Lizards episode never happened.

So by that yes it was the real Harry Kim.

And he got chewed out for it. And he was even told that if Tom Paris had of done it all would have been fine. So at least the captain was admitting to favouritism in that episode.

Now all we need to know is if The Harry Kim we are dealing with in STO is the real one or if the "Real" one is going to wake up as a Kobali.

>>49222285
If Warp 10 Lizards had happened, you know Tom Paris would never have heard the end of it. Like, whenever B'elanna needed leverage for whatever reason, she'd be like "Hey, Tom, remember that time you turned into a giant salamander and raped the captain?"

More evidence of double-standards: Tom gets re-promoted for going a whole year without gross insubordination, but Harry gets jack shit after seven years of doing nothing worse than getting the space clap.

>>49222285
>Now all we need to know is if The Harry Kim we are dealing with in STO is the real one or if the "Real" one is going to wake up as a Kobali.

I'm pretty sure they outright state exactly that. Captain Kim is the one that Prime Voyager stole from the AU Voyager that was connected to it in that one early episode. The Kobali found Dead Kim floating in space and did their space zombie voodoo to him.

>>49222326
Well obviously the captain enjoyed their time together and did him some favors in return. Seriously though, Kim did get shafted. A real life military ensign is typically promoted after two years, and Kim certainly went above and beyond the call of duty plenty of times

>>49213462
>The Bajorans are probably fairly civilised about prisons.
Unless you steal an Orb. Then the minimum sentence is death. With no plea bargain. This also includes if you merely handle the stolen Orb and don't intend to return it.

>>49216570
>I posted in a Star Trek thread some time ago that I wanted to see a human Security Officer that was as obsessed with mastering their chosen field
The novels do it with a few security officers. If they're obsessed with war to Klingon standards, they mostly get weird looks. Then you have guys like Elias Vaughn, who are murderhobos in a way that make the Tal Shiar get jealous.

>>49216570
>Security Officer that was as obsessed with mastering their chosen field

I'd say that studying psychology would be a major factor in that officers success and you'll likely end up with a Holmes, Batman or Dredd type of character.

>>49222519
Hell, even Harry on Third Rock from the Sun got officially promoted to "Harold."

>>49222769
>Psychology focus
>Counselor Dredd

>>49221503
My favorite VOY ham was Crewman Suder. Second favorite was that Tuvok impersonator. He fucking stole that whole episode.

>>49222852
"It's the Kook Cubes for you, Lieutenant Barclay!"

>I AM THE PSYCHOLOGIST

>>49222852
Captain, I'm sensing a strong feeling of criminality from these scum.

>>49222922
Oh lord, and you'll have to replace Lwaxana with either Fargo or Rico. It's a hard choice, if we're going with the Stallone Dredd ham.

>>49222922
There's no deception, just major felony. I recommend we beam them all directly to the iso-brig.

New thread here >>49224037