>Space Marines are the best warriors of the Imperium >Vindicares

>>49116154
Cause Vindicares still need someone to hide behind while they snipe.

>>49116154
>sniper can easily kill a elite soldier (of the non-sniper variety)
>Therefore we shouldn't have elite soldiers, just snipers.

Tanks can kill snipers. I suppose we should have an army made exclusive of tanks, right?

>>49116561
You fool, tank hunters can easily best a tank, clearly we should have armies made entirely of tank hunters.

>>49116561
Melta bombs can kill tanks. We should have an army exclusively armed with melta bombs.

>>49116635

Yeah, we'll just equip every soldier with a ton of melta bombs. That sounds like a REAL--

Let's do that actually. That sounds potentially effective.

>>49116635
No, we should have an army OF meltabombs, dropped from space.

>>49116695
>later
>BABOOM KSHHHH BOOOOOM
>imperial headlines
>"militara tempestus conquer entire galaxy, say 'it wasn't really that hard'"

>>49116695
>/tg/ reinvents suicide bombing

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>>49116695
Welcome to fifth edition IG.

>>49116770
Considering the number of fanatical followers and penal soldiers the imperium has it's a surprise they don't use suicide bombing en-masse...

Actually it's not surprising, because GW would probably get in shit if they did, but you get the point.

>>49116833
Penal legions don't do a form of that with their bomb collars?

>>49116770
It's really the next logical step

>>49116848
Inwardly facing shaped charges I think, blows the head off but not much else

>>49116833
Well, because space marines and arcoflagellants are more glorious

>>49116561
It's called Necrons.

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>>49116634
Idiot, when winter comes the tank hunters will all simply freeze to death.

>>49117286
So naturally we must make an army of winter? You brilliant son of a bitch, I think you've cracked it.

>>49116634
hordes of poorly amoured cannon fodder can kill tank hunters, clearly we should have en entire army of hordes of poorly armoured cannon fodder

>>49117371
But elite soldiers can beat cannon fodder. Clearly we should have Space Marines, whole chapters of them.

Guys... what if our army had many different specialized units that we could individually deploy based on the exact composition of enemy forces and terrain?

>>49117424
Meet
>>49116154
And the cycle continues.

>>49117468
That's heresy, anon.

Which assassin is best and why is it Eversor?

>>49117341
>Russia's strategy in both world wars

>>49117703
And against Napoleon

>>49117703
And the Napoleonic wars and that one with Sweden.

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>>49117703

>>49117703
>>49117850
>>49117862
It's a time proven strategy, now we just need to find a way to export Russian winters, and train them not to damage friendly troops, once we fix that problem we have the ultimate weapon.

>>49117703
>Climate change is a long term strategy to beat russia in WW3

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>>49118005

>>49116833
They do, it just normally involves sending them into melee with a Carnifex, then firing an Earthshaker at their location while it's busy eating them.
The shell carries a larger payload than an equivalent number of conscripts, so it's more cost-effective in the long run.

>>49116848
>>49116867
imperial guard human bombs used to be a thing, you paid for the penal trooper and the grenade (which could be plasma if i recall) then run them forward. There was a chart to roll on, 1: 1-5, detonation, 6: Emperors mercy, bomb fails to detonate and model is removed as he leaves the front line and returns to his unit.

The fluff explained that they were deliberately designed to have a small random chance to malfunction, that way the troops would chose it over certain death ( i.e they would chose probable kabooming over certain kablamming) and the Emperor could spare the truly innocent through his mysterious will.

From what I learned about snipers is that you'll always need some sort of infantry to reveal the positions of enemy forces. One sniper could not a regiment defeat.

But the assasinorum best "norum".

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>>49118423
>leaves the front line and returns to his unit.
I love the image of a penal legionaire, hopped on drugs, charging into the front lines, failing to go off, awkwardly shrugging his shoulder, then just walking back to the rear.

>>49118005
Except that it looks like the sun allied with Russia. Maunder Minimum.

>>49116695
Considering the IG's typical strategies melta bomb equipped troops would be super effective, especially versus Tyranids.

Only problem would be when the Commissar tries to blam one Guardsmen and wipes out the platoon.

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I like elite armies and psykers.
Which faction?

>>49117468
That's crazy talk, anon. Get those silly 'combined-arms' ideas out of your head and go human-wave-rush those castles with me.

>>49118005
>making more of Russia arable and open to colonization

Climate Change is Russia's security of a future

>>49122417
>managing to turn SitW from some neato psykic EW into just spectral bugs

Artist ruins everything again.

>>49116154

Vindicares are even more expensive than space marines; all imperial assassins aside from Death Cultists are.

>>49116154
Do you remember how well it went the last time the administratum tried to tell space marines what to do too often?

Do you think it would go over particularly well if the high lords told the astartes they were no longer needed and should politely all die?

Basically, there have been a dick ton of space marines since the legions, they die like cockroaches, and no one in the imperium wants a civil war with them.

>>49122417
>Daemonids

>>49116154
Space Marines are the best SOLDIERS in the Imperium.

That's why they could kill the master of assassins when he went rogue.

>>49128162
They are not soldiers as they are not a part of the army, they are marines as the name suggests.

>>49126368
the artist needed an easily recognizable way to convey "this psyker is experiencing the shadow in the warp, which is a tyranid thing"

>>49128645
>naval infantry aren't soldiers
uh

>>49129047
Different branch of military.

>>49129047
Soldiers are specifically army. As opposed to sailors or airmen or marines which are usually a type of sailor except in the states where they're their own branch.

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>>49116561
>I suppose we should have an army made exclusive of tanks, right?

yaaaassssssss!

>>49116724
Not accurate enough. We need to equip penal legions with meltabombs collars and send them against the tanks.
Let's prove the tyranids that they don't have a monopole on sacrificing their troops!

>>49126368
To be fair SITW is just all the nids chattering to each other and relaying information, it sorta makes sense?

>>49122417
>I like elite armies and psykers.
>Which faction?
Craftworld Eldar. Elite armies and psykers are pretty much their two main idiosyncracies.

>>49130118
But space ships can kill tanks.

>>49130118
Is this/k/s waifu?

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>>49118005
>mfw

>>49116154
In terms of marksmanship Vindicares outmatch Marines by a longshot, but they'll still get easily slaughtered by said Marine in CQC.

Also Marines are still much closer to humans due to their organs not being hereditary and do not require genetic manipulations.

>>49131290
Not at all, a Vindicare is outright superior to the average Marine in most forms of combat. The thing that makes Assassins non-viable is their absolutely horrific recruitment procedures (we're talking at least double the potential candidates for a tenth, at most of the produce) and how stupidly expensive they are. They're all armed to the teeth with Archeotech/Xenotech, and it wouldn't be far off to suggest all of their implants are either Archeotech or performed by a machine of such calibre.

>>49131290
Good thing CQC shouldn't fucking matter in a setting with plasma rifles to begin with.

>>49131463
>ork trukk barreling towards your line doing 200
>shoot it with plasma rifle, doesn't stop
>trukk hits your line, orks get out directly into CQC fighting

>>49131776
Git gud.

>>49122417
Grey Knights
>All Psychic
>Cheapest model is 20ppm

Sounds Elite and Psychic

>>49131331
I always thought they fucked around with gene-seed bioenhancement to give assassins those rediculous stats. Like pseudo-Astartes or near-Astartes stuff.

>>49131776
>not shooting it in rear armor with your stealth cadre

do you even play this game dude?

>>49132018
>do you even play this game
>ork players
>existing

They exist only online where they can live in their own imaginary world without crunch. If they believe it hard enough, they can make their army is relevant, or at the very least, shit up every discussion possible with their fanwank.

>>49118005
Given some of the things we came up with during the Cold War that honestly sounds like it could be the truth

Aren't all Assassins exclusively blanks, which are extremely rare, even for the Imperium?

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>>49116154
>>49116561
>>49116634
>>49116635

In conclusion, Aspect Warriors are the best.

>>49132848
You misswrote Jeanstealer.

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>>49122417

Eldar boi. Ya got your Aspects for elite infantry and your Seer Councils for psykers.

>>49132840
Are Blanks still called Pariahs?

>>49132984
No. Since Matt Ward changed the necrons, Pariahs don't exist anymore.

>>49132875
But that's not how you spell Wolverine.

>>49132840
Only the Culexus.

>>49133029
Just them? I thought all assassins were blanks, to prevent psykers from noticing them or interrogating them.

We're all missing on the true question here : can eldars get spanked?

>>49133082
No, but every single one of them is trained/tortured to make sure that nobody can read their minds or get info by beating the crap of them.

>>49133215
they have butts, don't they?

>>49130941
No

>>49133223
>trained/tortured
There's a difference?

>>49133215
Probably not. If they get off to something, they die.

>>49133259
>If they get off to something, they die.
DEldar manage just fine, and spanking leads to BDSM, which the DEldar also manage just fine.

>>49133259
The difference is what you want to the subject.

>>49133304
I guess that
>>49133259
equalizes giving ones soul to she who thirsts as the path following bigot he is

>>49133463
*equalizes giving ones soul to she who thirsts with death as the path following bigot he is

>>49133463
>>49133493
>xenos in charge of speaking Imperial
Take a good look, everyone. This is the Tau's ideal.

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How do I build Eldar at around 1k points without making it TOO good? What kinds of models would I be looking at?
I do wanna run a Seer Council which I know is pretty good, but I could like Rangers. Could sprinkle in an infantry theme, ie, no bikes or anything, just footsloggers
Fire Dragons in a Wave Serpent over Wraithguard, too

>>49116154
Sounds like ork snipers are better than Vindicaires if Vindies borrow their reputation to do dirty deeds.

Orks da best

>>49116154
You're a fucking retard

>>49116848
The bomb collars are specifically designed to explode inward. I imagine this is so that you don't accidentally blow up an entire penal legion when one out of the mass is being a heretical ass.

I mean, even for the Imperium, it would be a dick move to tell a guy that he has to earn the Emperor's forgiveness through battle, and if that if he survives long enough it's a sign that the Emperor himself forgives him, and then you strap a bomb collar on him and make it clear you're going to blow him up as soon as he gets close.

>>49133534
>play eldar without making it TOO good
Even running just straight guardians with an HQ, you're still a solid army.

Just about everything the eldar have is better than it should be.

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>>49130734
>>imperial headlines
>>"militara tempestus conquer entire galaxy, say 'it wasn't really that hard'"
Real monopoles don't exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole

>>49129039
Probably would have been better if he'd drawn a thousand tiny ones.

>>49133666
i don't even wanna do that though, that's fucking boring
are seer councils busted?
what if i spammed rangers and war walkers and said "it's a scout force"

>>49116154
A have a question. If you manage to kill a Callidus while she is possing as someone else, does the drugs on her stop working, like melting away or not?

>>49135146
Maybe.

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How is it that pretty much any Imperium assassin can pretty much shit over anyone and anything including Harlequins?

>>49138721
Harlequins are dancers first and assassins seconds. They're like amateurs who picked assassination as a second job because it sounded fun.
Imperial assassins do it 24/7.

>>49117371
So what you are saying is, we should comprise our army of Tanks, and hordes of poorly armed cannon fodder, so then all of our bases have been covered and we will be unstoppable?

>>49122417
Thousand Sons. Slow though.

>>49139292
OH WAIT

>>49139462
Kek

>>49133259

>If they get off to something, they die.

They have sex in the path series just fine. Sex is hardly excess.

>>49116154
Imperial assassins have a much less successful rate of recruitment than spess mahreens.
but Assassins are confirmed better than marines because ~200 assassins killed ~1000 marines during the beheading

>>49133666

That's total horse shit. Guardians and a generic HQ, especially an Autarch, else is a really terrible list. The "all Eldar units are good" meme really needs to die.

>>49141659
>Sex is hardly excess
Slaanesh, please.

>>49118005
>HAARP was created just for the russians

spooky

>>49118423
>Spared by RNGesus.

>>49138721
Because Imperial Assassins are always prepping for murder, all the time, while Harlequins are generally just sort of chilling in the webway, doing the bidding of Cegorah. For the Harlequin, assassination is a side gig, something they do because they like the thrill of it. For the Imperial, they've been making the best assassins in the galaxy for over 10,000 years, and are really good at it.

Objectively, the Harlequins should obliterate the Imperials, but they've not been putting in the same prep time. They've got a lot of natural skill and training, but are lacking the dedication of the Imperial.

>>49141659
guess who is behind this post

>>49141724
This. had a cheesemonger run assassinorum in a 1.3k ish game. he wiped my full squad of guardians, harlequins and two psykers by turn two with just a vindicare and a culexus.

>>49142808
>>49141741

>Thinking sex is excessive by definition

Are you kids old enough to be here? How terrified of sex do you need to be to see missionary position as a portal to hell?

>>49143076
Elves feel sensations and emotions more strongly than most races. Just about everything is an excess to them, including rubbing their cute ears. You can imagine how fucked things might get during an activity that draws out all sorts of emotions and rarely-felt, desirable sensations.

>>49144151

>Just about everything is an excess to them

Apparently not sex seeing as they have it just fine in fluff. Excess doesn't just mean something is pleasurable. It means you do it more than necessary and take it to extremes.

>>49143076
>Slaaneshi in charge of sex ed

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>>49145781
Today class we will discuss the seventeen holes that you can have intercourse with, the six appendages you can insert into other people, the five different orientations, and the ten kinds of meta-sex.

But before we begin, under all of your chairs is a bad of drug trail mix. Have a few handfuls to get us started.

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>>49146005
>suddenly you were straddling me, the mouths on your legs nibbling and licking at my thighs and waist
I need the Emperor's Mercy. I don't know why, but that single line here makes me hard as a custodes' abs.

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>>49146005
I'd rather pick an Old One.

>>49122417
>>49131819
>Why not have a Psykana division?
you're paying 18ppm plus you manifest on a 2+ for more Tzeentch spam goodness, and don't perils by having Commissar BLAM!!! a bitch.

>>49122417
>>49131819
>>49147581
My bad 12ppm

>>49147426
Slaaneshi would be best, at least for me.

Food, tattoos, sex, drugs, philosophy... Yeah man. Twice as bright for eternity.

>>49147426
>Pick Slaanesh
>All the other girls are already sort of homo for her cause she's so banging hot
>Seduce the entire galaxy of hotties to join your harem one after the other.

There is no reason not to pick Slaanesh

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>>49147900
>but muh emprah
THERE IS NEVER A REASON TO FALL TO CHAOS

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>>49133082
>be psyker
>be focusing on massive power
>a wild EVERSOR appears
>notice me psyker-chan

its doubly effective against psykers. If they focus on their powers, it RIPS AND TEARS them. if they try to deal with the Eversor, they get RIPPED AND TORN. Both ways the psyker has been defeated and stopped.

>>49149329
>these little fans blowing the seals off

>>49133252
:(

>>49150571
One is a fan. The other is a stage light.

How good are the assassins in tabletop? Worth the points?

>>49151687
Good as meatshield, as the enemy will mostly focus on them.

>>49151687
Can be. Eversors are still good distraction carnifexes. Vindicares less so, but you can keep them behind your front line and get more sniping done, although that's useless against certain lists. I haven't worked the numbers in a while and I don't have them on hand, but Vindicares only competition is Scout snipers + Telion, which is also fairly expensive. IIRC, the vindicare will take out important units and HQs better, but Scouts will drop more MEQs and generally get focused less.

>>49147812
Nigga the whole problem is that you go blind, and don't actually appreciate any of that shit you just get off on the sensation.

If that's all you want, go get a bunch of junk food, some viagra, some drugs, and start shitposting on /pol/ 24/7.

>>49151912
How rude.
I don't do /pol/.

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>>49151912

>go get a bunch of junk food, some viagra, some drugs, and start shitposting on /pol/ 24/7.

You mean that isn't normal?

>>49151957
>2000+16
>still using jifs