Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

>>49084974
>Horde's greatest hero
>Nazgrim
>not Varok Saurfang

>>49085124
>>not Varok Saurfang
who? The guy who abandoned the Horde in its time of greatest need so he could go cry in Outland?

>>49085124
>Not Gul'dan
>He who brought the horde its greatest glories in the name of Gul'dan

Praise be Gul'dan, rightful warchief of the horde.

>>49085254
>glory
>implying massacring Draenei children was glory

They squealed like pigs. Why do you think Saurfang doesn't eat pork?

>>49085186
When was this?

Or are you lying?

>>49085322
Ice crown raid. He left to go bury his son in Outland

>>49085353
Ah yes, his son. Who died a hero's death, and was twisted at the hands of the Lich King. Is a father not allowed to mourn?

>>49085554
Not during the single most important battle of a war

>>49085579
I always kinda assumed he left mostly because he had just got the ever loving guck beat out of him in the fight and couldn't keep fighting

No really, what's with every Windrunner sister lusting after filthy mon'keighs?

>>49085628
Maybe elf dudes just suck that hard.

>>49085628
In Warcraft, human dock game is stronk

>>49085651
It is true that their ports were quite enviable

>>49085772
Until Kul Tiras vanished off the face of Azeroth, that is.

What the actual fuck is up with that, it's been 10 years and nobody even bats an eye at the fact that the greatest naval power in the world just up and disappeared.

>>49085865

Apparently they weren't strong even to know there was an entire continent beyond the Maelstrom.

>reasons Legion is already the best xpac
>retrieve Felo'melorn, the royal blade of the Sunstrider lineage, last wielded by Kael'thas himself
>Now wielded by my dark iron adherent to the Firelord

I could not dream of a greater spit in the eye

>>49085877
To be fair, no one knew about it except the quel'dorei and the Council of Tirisfal.

Can I get a refund on Legion?

tell me everything about blood elves

>>49086126
No, you're stuck with it.

>>49086148
What is it you wish to know?
As of now, they're basically high elves again in all but name and eye color.

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I'm getting real tired of Sylvanas' shit. I was excited for her to be the Warchief and I pledged my loyalty, so I wanted to see where her story goes.

If course right off the bat she's giving me orders. I'm the motherfucking Highlord of the Silver Hand. I am the new Ashbringer. Show some respect. But I let it slide, we're under attack and there's more important things to do. But then she pairs me up to with Nathanos "Murderhobo" Blightcaller who can't shut his fucking mouth about how shit I am and how he'll put an arrow in me if I look at him funny.

I am the fucking Light: I brought down the Scarlet Crusade, I killed Kel'Thuzad twice, I restored the Sunwell, Quel'Delar, I killed the Lich King with your fucking queen while you were at home crying your eyes out and sending nobodies to get revenge on some elves because they made fun of you in Ranger school. I'm the goddamn Ashbringer. I am literally your destruction. I can end your sorry existence without a thought. Go on, I dare you. I double fucking dog dare you: start some shit. How many bodies does Sylvanas have for you? Let's find out you fucking leaf-fever, Linkin Park listening, punk ass bitch. Don't you ever fucking talk back to me or I'll lay waste to your whole goddamn undead abomination family.

>>49085254
He Cheats!

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>>49086148
High elves that suck demon cock, hence the green eyes and reddish skin

>>49084974
>The Horde's Greatest Hero edition
>Not Garrosh
>Not Thrall
>Not Lorthemar

>>49086332
>High elves that suck demon cock
They don't anymore since they got Sunwell chlorinated, the eyes and skin tone are just leftovers, much like green skin on orcs. It was in one of the dev Q&A sessions.

>>49086388
Well they still got fel crystals

>>49086332
Blue board, anon.

>>49086424
That's the "safe" version

>>49086404
Yeah because no-one at Blizzard has bothered to clean up the fucking zones. The Exodar should also be fixed by now, but there's no sign of that. Fucking everyone ELSE got their shit renewed in Cata, but the BC races just get to take it in the ass I guess.

And while we're at it, can we please make the male Draenei less bulkarific and more in line with their women?

>>49086459
>make the male Draenei less bulkarific and more in line with their women
So...make their dicks bigger?

>>49086440
You should imgur the not safe version

>>49086459
Exodar will be fixed soon, I hear.

Also, no.

>>49086473
Not this again.

>>49086514
you're right, they'd need tits, too

>>49086512
Velen gives the order to repair it during his 5 minutes of relevancy in Legion.
I guess that means they've sat there twiddling their thumbs for years then.

>>49086359
>Warcriminal
>Shitty asshole who ruined the lore
>"Regent Lord" Lor'themar "literally who" Theron, world-renowned accomplisher of fuck-all
I don't even know who Nazgrim is but if that's his competition.

>>49086473
More like slim them down and make them look like pretty-boys who got /fit/ rather than AHNALD with blue body paint.

>>49086359
>Not Varok Saurfang

>>49086591
If you want pretty boys play an elf you faggot

>>49086567
What reason would they have to leave during that time?

>>49086585
Hey, at least Lor'themar has the advantage of not having fucked anything up yet.

>>49086620
>Night Elf guys
>Pretty
Are you sure about that?

>>49086661
Obviously blood elf you raging retard

>>49086585
>Warcriminal
Nazgrim followed him

>Shitty asshole who ruined the lore
Thrall ruined nothing, he is the protagonist and saved azeroth multiple times

>"Regent Lord" Lor'themar "literally who" Theron, world-renowned accomplisher of fuck-all
Only Racial leader of the horde that go straight to the point and didnt fucked up once

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>>49086491
Why? Not like i cropped it, and there's 3 more variations

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>>49086724
>Thrall ruined nothing

>>49086257
I can't tell if this is you joking or if you're legit triggered by nathanos Marris

>>49086755
>Telling me green Jesus ruined anything
Tell me at least one thing he ruined

>>49086848
Doomhammer's legacy

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Saw the Sylvanas video on the last thread, it was interesting, what's essentially the TLDR on the current legion lore?

>>49086848
the horde

>>49086885
>the horde's leadership prospects

FTFY

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>>49086332
And she's, uh, "replenishing mana" in front of a mirror - why, exactly?

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>they haven't found the cave of /fit/ filled with bruls lifting and squattin all day while kicking around manlets

>>49086917
It's just a blood elf doing blood elf things

>>49086672
Yeah, but they aren't alliance-side.

>>49086917
Obviously blood elves are just so damn hot they turn even themselves on. I hear it's also a common 'problem' for Draenei women too.

I just realised something.

Given that demons come back and that fel/demonic power can turn a non-demon into an immortal demon (exhibit a, Illidan), what are the chances Kael thas will return?

Is that new Illidan book any good? The fact that it's not written by Christie Golden is slightly encouraging, but I'm still wary after the after the last half a dozen novels or so were varying degrees of shit.

How're you supposed to level up your pokemans?
I've been trying to kill things 1-2 levels higher than my team but these damn Northrend squirrels counter my entire team
Actually, for that matter do any of you have companion pets for your characters that tie in with your backstory?
>>49087097
Right? I'm sayin.

>>49086821
A little of both. He annoys the fuck out of me and it's been a stressful day at work. It's also a little jarring that after every paladin out there pledges their loyalty to me, he insists on treating me like a bitch.

Though frankly it is absurd that I'm the King Arthur of paladins.

>>49086879
Gul'Dan is ending the world with a giant old school demon invasion and Genn Graymane hates Sylvanas because she killed his son, conquered his people, and as far as he knows, got his new bff killed.

Watch the Broken Shore cinematic.

>>49087180
Being a complete asshole is what makes Nathanos an actual character though.
I bet Sylvanas had the hots for him both in life and undeath because he treats her like a bitch, too.

>>49087229
She insisted on making him the first human ranger. They're clearly fucking.

Speaking of which.
>nathanos
>lothremar (you'll make a beautiful corpse)
>koltira (raped into depression)
She gets around, doesn't she.

>>49087296
You take that back! The Banshee Queen is pure, damnit!
PURE!

>>49087296
>She gets around, doesn't she.
Runs in the family.

>>49087321
Pure slut.
Poor nathanos.

>>49087229
Probably, I'm still annoyed he had his former ranger allies murdered for a fucking book.

>>49086585
>>"Regent Lord" Lor'themar "literally who" Theron, world-renowned accomplisher of fuck-all
This meme need to end, Teron is an important and well known character! He's the first death knight for god sake!

>>49087358
>he had his former ranger allies murdered for a fucking book.
Probably out of fear that they would write in how he was fucking their former Ranger General. Or even draw pictures, oh the horror.

It's kind of interesting to note that while nobody bats an eye at half-elves now, older lore indicates that such interspecies relations aren't looked well upon.

>>49086860
>Ruining the legacy of the guy that got his father and mother killed.
Seems pretty based for me

>>49086885
>the horde
He turned a bunch of retards in an unstoppable army

>>49086915
>the horde's leadership prospects
Voljin fucked up, not thrall

>>49086332
Why does she have tattoos of the Horde logo? That's fucked up.
It's literally just coincidence that's keeping the Belves in the Horde.
That and the Alliance tanking every attempt at diplomacy.

>>49087485
>Alliance tanking every attempt at diplomacy.
More like gameplay mechanics forcing the status quo.

>>49087480
Why was Vol'jin there in the first place?

>>49087296
She didn't fuck Lorthemar, in fact he slides back into being her XO very easily when the situation calls for it.

Unfortunately she's self absorbed and too caught up in her own shit to appreciate it.

>>49087505
I mean yeah? But also the fact that Alliance spies intentionally sabotaged peacetalks?

>>49087546
a) what do you mean XO?
b) yeah, she didn't but she wants to

>>49087296
>koltira
Is he back in the game yet? I haven't heard anything about him since Cataclysm.

>>49087480
>an unstoppable army
if they're unstoppable then why did they retreat

checkmate hordefag

>>49087561
He was her second-in-command when she was Ranger-General. He's like Laura Roslin in that there was nobody else in charge after the war and Kael'thas fucked off into space.

>>49087645
Thrall was not in command anymore, all the horde was high after Voljin legalized pot.

>>49087733
EY MON PEACEBLOOM LMAO

>>49087525
Voljin was one of the logical choices for warchief, too bad Blizzard made Legion pure fanservice and decided to put sylvanas on command.

>>49087764
I'm hoping he turns into Obi-Wan Kenobi or something.

>>49087764
I mean, I like sylvanis and whatnot but I really don't think being warchief fits her character. Granted it fits the weird ass character they've been giving her since cata I guess

>>49087816
Yeah, he is wasted potential

Do sex slaves canonically exist on this universe?

Or monogamy? Like having an elf. draenei and human wife at the same time?

>>49088104
They're people as much as you and I. There's evil abound.

>>49088104
Hard to have this kind of stuff in a T-rated game.
Illidan did have a whole harem of bitches for his belf buddies though.

>>49087819
Sylvanas is arguably the best leader they have in the Horde, provided she sorts her shit out. She's clinically depressed and scared of dying leading her to make very questionable choices.

But she's the Banshee Queen for a reason. She's earned the right to rule more than anyone else, even if Vol'jin did make her Warchief.

But like I said, if she can remember how to live for other people she'd be fantastic. I'm hoping Alleria shows up and smacks some sense into her. Too bad Vereesa and Lorthemar hate each other, else she'd be in Silvermoon.

>>49088307
Why do Lorthemar and Vereesa hate eachother?

>>49088374
It's not really much of a personal feud. Lor'themar is pretty reasonable, it's just that high elves in Silvermoon would invite trouble. His short story practically spells out that exiling the high elf remnants was something he'd rather not do, but otherwise there'd be disorder.

Vereesa is prejudiced against in general because her asshole Belf cousin tried to kidnap her kids once, forever cementing her impression that belves are all magic-addicted junkies. Oh, and another belf built a mana bomb that killed her husband, but I'm not sure she's actually aware of that.

>>49088374
I don't know.

>>49088445
prejudiced against belves, that is.

>>49088445
>cementing her impression that belves are all magic-addicted junkies
Well...they are, though

>>49088477
Seems like it's easy for any elf to get that way, honestly.

>>49087568
He was being held prisoner in the undercity apothecary wing by Sylvanas this entire time. You and Thassarian go rescue him in one of the death knight class quests.

>>49088519
Side-effect of the well of eternity, i assume. Nelves need moonlight (which is magic), nightborne need the nightwell (which is magic), high elves and blood elves need magic in general. Satyrs and naga don't seem to need shit

>>49088519
It is, but high elves pride themselves on resisting the urge through meditation and whatnot instead of finding some demons to suck on.

>>49088104
Slavery is a common practice in Azeroth (not so much in the Alliance however.) Illidan did have a whole wing dedicated to concubines and royal whores though, I'm sure stuff like sex slavery is also fairly common since alot of quests involve you rescuing a son or daughter who's been forcibly married.

>>49088445
There's literally almost no difference between the elves at this point. The only people not living in Quel'Thalas are buttmad over getting exiled and/or racists who hate Orcs and Trolls.

>>49088644
I mean, blood elves would've been back in the Alliance if the stupid RvB conflict didn't have to keep getting forced.

>>49087159
Not with my DH's backstory per say, but her new goal after meeting Emmigosa is to protect her smile at all costs. And the best way to do that is kick the Legion strait in the dick until they fuck off back to space, so it all works out.

>>49087764
How does Sylvanas have enough fans for this to be true?

>>49088644
Belves aren't exactly in a hurry to invite the high elves back after cleaning up the Sunwell.
Blizz also mentioned that most of the currently surviving high elves are those who broke off from Quel'thalas after the Second War, when Anasterian ditched the Alliance. I doubt they'd be eager to go back to a Horde-aligned home they haven't been to in decades anyhow.

>>49088680
you mean if the elf pop balance quota didn't have to be forced

horde without elves is nothing

>>49088734
Right, they're also a tiny fraction of the entire high elf race, they just get a lot of love in game because reasons.

>>49088703
Some people are attracted to rot and crazy, and Sylvanas has both in spades.

>>49088816
She's not rotting. I believe her body is preserved in undeath the way Death Knights are.

>>49088780
I wouldn't say they get "a lot", besides the Silver Convenant there's barely a dozen named, let alone relevant high elves. Come Legion it looks like SC isn't even in control of its own enclave in Dalaran anymore.

>>49088734
Yes they were

There was a short story about it and everything

The high elves rejected to proposition immediately

>>49088858
Still a corpse. The fact you don't know its rotten till ur ducks in it doesn't make a huge difference

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>>49084974
Claiming this thread in the name of base Puremoore.

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>>49088307
>I'm hoping Alleria shows up and smacks some sense into her.

Wasn't Alleria and her husband canonically confirmed dead in the Paladin Hall chain quest?
With the whole "here son we sent you this message to help you but we already ded, k thx bye"

>>49088944
That was just the Quel'Lithien lodge, and they were mighty assmad over the whole Nathanos thing at the time.

>>49089077
No, they weren't. Their army apparently got thoroughly btfo by the Legion, but they're never explicitly called dead.

>>49089077
I wouldn't know, I haven't gotten that far in the quest. Thanks for that though.

>>49087388
Underrated post

>>49085628
>Windrunner sisters
>all high elves

Now if you look at an average high elf
>taught tribal dumbass humans magic instead of jewing them
>continue teaching them magic for thousands of years
>get genocide by a human prince
>almost genocide again by an allied human marshal
>still stay in the Alliance and willing to kill their own kind, blood elves, to stay

The Quel'dorei are just cucks, Sin'dorei is the future.

>>49086257
whatthefuckdidyousay.jpg

>>49086257
I was stoked to have her as my faction leader until she threw me under the bus for a lamp.

>>49089077
They were overrun by the Legion, but they're never truly confirmed dead.

>>49089464
>almost genocide again by an allied human marshal
At this time they were already split into blood and high elves. Garithos did nothing wrong.

>>49089656
Garithos did everything wrong. News flash, showing more trust to an undead abomination and a demon than you show to your own allies of several decades is a good way to lose those allies and get betrayed by said undead abomination and said demon.

>>49089656
He's the most incompetent human commander of all time. He literally got himself and his men killed because he didn't like elves and dwarves.

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>>49089656
>>49089675

>>49089729
Forgot an extra (You) for >>49089710.

>>49089729

Why do the cultists die? They're human too.

>>49089675
>>49089710
>trust an elf
>get your hometown burnt down by orcs
>don't trust an elf
>have said elf blast off into space while giving you the finger
>trust an elf again
>get killed and eaten

Poor guy just couldn't catch a break.
And the dorfs had it coming, getting lost in the woods was none of Garithos' fault.

>>49088374
Because Vereesa was corrupted by Rhonin's semen and made to hate her own kind.

>>49085554
>>49085579
>>49085607
He was also wounded by the alliance, and they didn't want to share the glory with him or split the coordination.

Tell me about the Saurok, /tg/. Have they done anything important since MoP?

Warlock class hall is pretty good. The demon champion talks about burning the world's of my enemies which is pretty cool. Be better if that actually happens.

>>49090176
Doesn't the warlock hijack an entire asteroid somewhere in the Twisting Nether?

>>49089656
objectively WRONG. Kael's elves didn't even think about demon magic at the time of Garithos' betrayal. The Sin/Quel'dorei split was in name only. the blood elves were the ones in Quel'thalas during Scourge invasion, the ones that bled, the remaining high elves were the ones out sucking human dicks and didn't even know their homeland had fallen until much later.

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>Been into Warcraft since original Orcs and Humans
>Grew up gradually seeing the lore shift
>Saw Kil'Jaden go from Gul'dan's demon mentor to leader of the Burning Legion
>Have ignored everything since Frozen Throne

so have they brought back Sargeras yet?

>>49086332
Where's her other arm? In the reflection it should be behind her back but from behind it looks like it should be in front of her chest.

>>49090309
It's in her bra.

>>49090302
Sargeras is a good guy.

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>>49090302
No, but apparently everything he's doing is to stop these guys.

>>49089776
>>49088599
Night elves don't need moonlight.

>>49090365

The Old Gods are just symptoms of a larger problem. They are literally just clumps of void that the Void Lords tossed into the universe and hoped would hit something.

>>49090309
Squeezing her tit

>>49090365
Why does Blizzard always have to make their villains into "actually I was a goodguy all along trying to stop x"

Did it with Ner'Zhul and it kind of worked, but then they did it with Illidan, Kerrigan, and the fucking Overmind.

>>49090395
It's also worth noting that there are a multitude of Old Gods across the stars.

>>49090409
He's not a good guy. You people are mental.

>>49090232
Planet basically. You rup out the old masters heart and use it to power your planet.

You're a netherworld too now which is a cool title.

>>49090409

Ner'zhul was never a "good guy all along," he was just as much of a scheming bastard till the end when Arthas snuffed him out. Illidan still isn't a "good guy," he was still very much insane and what's changed is that his role is more important than we initially thought. The Overmind wasn't good, just doing what he thought necessary for the survival of the Zerg, and in any case LotV implied that everything involving Zeratul and the Overmind was a part of the Xel'naga trying to manipulate things to stop Amon.

>>49090490
>his role is more important than we initially thought.

He is literally THE CHOSEN ONE BY THE LIGHT TO DEFEAT THE LEGION.

>>49090567

Yep, which is what I said. Doesn't suddenly make him a good guy all along, it makes him an insane person with an important destiny.

>>49086257
This needs to be turned into a navy seals copypasta.

Oh shit Velez had a son that became an eredor

>>49088858
My guess would be that one of the top priorities of the Royal Apothecary Society is holding her rotting body together. It may no longer be working as well as it used to, that's why she has covered up her midriff now and why she's so desperate to get the power of the valkyr for herself.

While I like Sylvanas, I eagerly await based Genn fucking up her every single attempt at clawing out some kind of future for her that isn't eternal darkness. She needs to deal with her mortality already, quit being a bitch about it and focus on the Legion.

>>49090758
I wonder, is the shadow realm a guaranteed destination for everyone who goes back from undead to dead or it's for assholes like her only?

>>49086032
I can.
Dks getting buddy buddy with the lk

>>49086591
Make their women AHNALD with bluebpaint and fake tits.

>>49086915
Get bolvar, he is 33÷ the og warchief, 33÷ paladin 33÷ witty banterous asshole 1÷undefined

>>49090567
He was ALWAYS THE CHOSEN ONE YOU FUCKING IDORTS.

>>49090981
What's that in ‰?

>>49087480
>Seems pretty based for me
The man who avenged his father and gave Thrall some legitimacy to being warchief
>implying Orgrim isn't the best warchief the horde has

So I finished that Illidan book. He is basically the Light's new Jesus now, with an obligatory serving of dindu nuffin.

This isn't quite as bad as War Crimes, but it certainly tries to be.

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>>49091136
>Saves the Alliance/Horde joint offensive at the Stair of Destiny from a Burning Legion flank single-handedly
>Literally, Azeroth's invasion of Outland would've failed if it weren't for him
>And they will never know he did it

>>49091136
Hopefully he dies at the end of Legion so we can bury him once and for all.

Oh wait, he's fucking immortal now. Thanks Blizzard!

>>49091136
I love how Maiev wanders around Outland for years and never once stumbles upon any members of the Alliance expedition. In fact, the only acknowledgment of that expedition's existence is one off-handed remark about Khadgar.

And, of course, constantly mentioning Darnassus which wasn't even built at the time.

>>49091136
>>49091172
>>49091188
>>49091268
So, willy king is a hack right?

>>49091188
He'll give up his demon soul to kill Sargaeras. Right after Tyranda blows him above Malfurion's still warm corpse.

>>49091136
I don't know who dindu nuffin more. Him or Sylvanas.

>>49091031
With retcons anything is possible. :^)

>>49091304
This sort of thing never happened before and now happened once again.

I dunno, somewhere around Arthas all Warcraft books got too awfully bland, uninspired and plothole-ridden even for cheap paperback read. I still fondly remember DotD, Lord of the Clans and the Last Guardian and read them again every now and then. The newer works are either so bland I don't remember they exist, or so outrageously bad (War Crimes) that I do.

>>49091460
I remember liking Arthas but I also liked Tides of Darkness and Beyond the Dark Portal

>>49091323
I bloody hope he does pull some bullshit to make sire he doesn't come backk, as a mast effort from Blizzard to make his sacrifice "meaningful" when everyone will just be glad to be finally rid of him.

>>49091510
Arthas itself had an very drastic change in quality half way through. It was fun reading his childhood and the details in the Third War. Everything after Quel'thalas became a rushed summary of the rest of RoC and most of TFT, all the way until the final battle with Illidan did it slow down and give us some detail. But even then there weren't much new, just a bit of flavor.

>>49091460
>so outrageously bad (War Crimes) that I do.
What is bad about Warcrimes ? I liked most of it

>>49091510
>Arthas
muh horsie: the novel
>Tides of Darkness
>Beyond the Dark Portal
I remember these two got on my nerves due to the authors having absolutely no sense of scale. No, your army can't cross Lordaeron in a day, it's half a fucking continent.

Oh and the romantic subplot was dumb. People love to harp on Knaak the Hack, but Alleria's relationship with Turalyon basically amounts to "my lil' bro is ded, fuck me" with no subsequent mention of Arator, who is supposed to be important.

>>49091588
Never read it, only listened to cheap Youtuber summary. But the whole premise sounded retarded. Why the fuck is there a "modern" trial where both side gets a lawyer? Why would a fucking faction leader be qualified as a lawyer? Sylvanas wanted to turn Veresa into an undead? Poisoning Garrosh is bad apparently? Somehow freeing Garrosh before the trial was complete was good? And then something something Jaina got shot in the heart instead of Ice Barrier/Block and somehow got healed? Wut?

>>49091617
>Givins his opinion on a book he didn't read

>>49091598
>my lil'bro is ded, fuck me

She's a Windrunner, she wanted Turalyon's broken sword all along, just needed an excuse to fall for a filthy mon'keigh.

>>49091632
>never tasted shit, you can't say it's bad

>>49091643
You don't know the taste of a book by smelling it

>>49091617
It follows the 'main character defends someone in a trial' thing a lot of shows do, namely Star Trek. I think the worst part is that the Celestials weren't impartial and had a verdict before the trial even started. Showing what people could become is pointless if you're talking about alternate universes. Literally anything is possible when you bring up the multiverse. You could be as bad as Garrosh, or you could have been killed in early childhood, or you might have been raised to worship celery or whatever.

>>49091598
>Arthas
>muh horsie: the novel
Invincible was a good fucking horse

>>49091652
But I do listening to a summary of it

>>49091635
Is sylvannas the only wind runner who doesn't want human cock?

>>49091666
>Invincible was a good fucking horse
Still farming, every week

>>49091643
well can you?

>>49091674
>who is Nathanos "I don't have a real last name" Blightcaller

She gave away nation secret and pissed off the Sun King Kael'thas just to get with a human edgelord

>>49091588
An episode of Judge Judy in a fantasy setting. That alone is bad.
The whole trial is a sham and it's painfully obvious the Celestials are trying to convince everyone that Garrosh is a good boi.
Tyrande is once again presented as a supreme retard who manages not to bring up any actual instances of definite wrongdoing on Garrosh's part.
Grating references to in-game mechanics (Golden loves these, but for the sake of fuck, this is supposed to be a book about a fantasy setting, not the game based on it)
Sylvanas is perfectly okay with poisoning her sister and raising her into undeath to rule the Forsaken together. The thought that Vereesa might not appreciate being an undead abomination does not occur to her.
Vereesa is perfectly okay with defecting to the Horde (sans the undead part, which Sylvanas hasn't mentioned to her) despite, you know, having two kids to care of and the Horde having dropped a nuke on her husband, then gets cold feet at the last moment.

>>49091666
>good fucking horse
>good for fucking horse

>>49091703
>>Grating references to in-game mechanics
Such as?

Dear lord I am horrified at how shit the writing is in Legion.

Kosak needs to go and he needs to go now.

>>49091588
>Christie Golden binge watches suits and advances the storyline: the book
>good
I am going to be a cunt and call you out on your bad taste.

>>49091769
When I was looking around to find which Warcraft books are worth a look, Christie Golden was one of the most popular autor of these
(Also, I bought Warcrimes before this search)

>>49091738
windrunner spire still having trash mobs
gobbos bombing in northrend.

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So ever since Warcraft 3 Tyrande's voice has gotten a thicker accent every time she's appeared. My theory is that now, bereft of the Well of Eternity's mutating Titan-jizz, she's slowly devolving into a troll again.

Are you ready for Dark Troll voodoo priestess Tyrande?

>>49091808
in a series with CS goto tier writers, she is just terrible.
Makes her look good in comparison.

I really wish that William King wrote the arthas book instead.

>>49091831
her VA changed.

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>>49086920
>Not reading the last thread

>>49091836
I bought Illidan and Rise of the Horde for a starter
Was that a mistake ? Should I stop after these ?

>>49091843

It did not. They even specifically responded to this question at Blizzcon a few years ago. Her VA is the same as its always been.

>>49091843
No, it didn't. The VA just didn't do the voice for a long time, so the accent seemed off.

>>49091854
Rise of the Horde is more or less decent, but yeah, you dun goofed.

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>>49091845

He never left us.

>>49091859
>>49091856
it sounds pretty different to me.
I just put two and two together.

>>49091854
eh, it depends on personal taste. I was reading gurm's books right before picking up war crimes, so my hate is vitriolic.

But BL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blizzard shit

>>orcs were a peaceful, shamanistic race that venerated their ancestors and honoured the hunt
>>orcs also had a brutal warrior culture that prized bloodletting, slaughter and dominating the enemy

wut

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>>49091885
>we are all gonna make it

>>49091892
>I just put two and two together.
Normally you'd be right, Blizzard loves swapping out VAs, and always for the worse.

>>49091907

The weirdest thing is that the guy who did Kel'thuzad became the new voice of Arthas in WotLK, so they had to get a new KT voice. Not sure what happened with the original Arthas VA. Retired? Died? Just didn't want to return?

Also laura bailey as Jaina is constantly boner-inducing regardless of how fucking idiotic her lines are these days.

>>49091923
Killed himself.

>>Jaina: I think everyone...should kill everyone.

>>49091923
>Retired? Died? Just didn't want to return?
Worse. Blizzard offered him to return, but apparently wouldn't even pay enough to cover his travel expenses.

>>49091932

Hahaha holy shit. And while WoW was at its strongest too.

>>49084974
>Warcraft
>lore

>>49091923
they hired a new guy to do the arthas voices because they offered justin gross peanuts.

Also, Laura bailey is suffering from overexposure imo. Playing that telltale game of borderlands was fucking weird.

Honestly blizzard should have done a relic entertainment and hire good writers and new VAs instead.

>>49091923
>implying she isn't even better now than she was before

>>49091963
Still more extensive lore than AoS :^)

>>49091932
>mfw the french VA are he same as in W3

I mean, now I can't watch a recent cineamtic without the voices in english otherwise it's too cringy, but up until WOTLK included I used the french ones. It always was nice to recognise the same voices for the big names, after years of absence.

>>49091977
You can compare anything to a toilet to look good.

>>49091956
Funny how not even a few years later they hired Tricia "No voice options besides 'slut'" Helfer for the role of Kerrigan, despite the original VA willing to reprise her role gratis.

>>49091991

I haven't kept up with Starcraft at all. I didn't know they got helfer to do Kerrigan. I kinda can't see it. Is she like insanely flirty sounding now?

>>49091965
>good writers
Let's not go too far, relic writers have nowhere near the same responsibilities or scope compared to writers that have to make sure WoW still makes a modicum of sense. A strategy game like DoW is much easier to write than a MMO that keepsup for more than 10 years.

>inb4 40k has been around for much longer than wow
I know that, but the whole point of 40k is that you can isolate your dudes to make you own story. In the grand scheme of things, the BR has next to no importance, hence it's much easier to make the wholething cohesive.

I completely agree on VA though. Probably the only game where the french VA are better than the original ones, which is quite a feat when you look at the quality of the english ones.

>>49091991
I never bothered to look up the VAs for SC2 because it pissed me off so much.

>>49092020
Relic also made other games than Dawn of war m8.

Company of heroes 1 and 2 have much better campaigns in terms of character building and interacting than blizzard games for example.
Then there is also homeworld.

Their sound department guys must be wizards or gods desu.

>Playing as a tiger tank in the campaign.
>"Brand new engine and it already runs like scheisse"

>>49092020
>responsibilities
>WoW writers
They're not even trying to be subtle in their retcons now.
Just in the last year we've suddenly established that there were no Titans other than the Pantheon and they're all dead, Old Gods suddenly went from top tier villains that once were beyond anything else in the universe to planetary zits titans can just pop with their fingers (literally), there's one more Titanic watcher and Kul Tiras was apparently hit by a mana bomb so big nobody bothers to fucking question where it went.

>>49091667
You're just parroting someone else's opinion, then, because you use someone else's paraphrasing of a book and do not bother to check the actual book. It's just as bad as being a fanboy, as both instances are based on a skewed image of reality.

>>49092058
don't forget
>kosak told reddit that the nascent titan in azeroth is dead.

>>49092059
not him
I read the book and by far the best part about it was deleting it from my hard drive.

>>49092074
I forgot to mention "Azeroth is actually a titan" thing", but anyway
>kosak told reddit that the nascent titan in azeroth is dead.
what

Should only one player per server have an artifact weapon?

My guildies and I have been enforcing this: We're the canonical artifact wielders, and whenever we see someone else with an artifact out, we harrass and pester them, following the rules perfectly so that it doesn't count as harrassment and we don't get in trouble. Some bitch pussy cried when we told her she couldn't keep her warlock scythe but, whatever.

Would the lore support there being only one real artifact? We're right to do this, aren't we?

>>49092074

So could the Scourge raise it?

>>49092058
Never said they were.

I was just saying that it was a bir harder to maintain coherence on such a big game compared to other kind of games. Doesn't excuse the quality of their writing or the laziness.

>What do we do know?
>Corrupt who?
>Corrupt what?
>Bring back who?

Done, 80% of blizz writing right here.

>>49092086
You're going to the shadow realm, anon.

>>49092083
>kosak does an AMA on reddit
>offhandedly mentions that the titan is never going to wake up but it doesn't matter because of le hope and freedom.

The asshurt on scrolls of lore was so fucking awesome.

Then they made him retcon it.

>>49092086
>Should only one player per server have an artifact weapon?

Nobody should ever have been given an artifact weapon. Giving the Ashbringer and Atiesh out to players was a mistake. Artifacts are a disaster.

>>49092086
>It's okay when I do it

Anon, you and your guildies are just being massive egoistic cunts.
Let people have their own little stories about how they're the Chosen One. You wouldn't like someone doing the same to you, don't do it to others.

>>49092106
Does Kosak just say any retarded thing that comes to mind? He sounds like a fool that has no inner control.

>>49092115
But all the other guilds agreed this is fair, as long as at least one person from each guild is allowed an artifact!

If we all agree isn't it fair?

>>49092102
What's that? Is the Void in this xpac too?

>>49092106
Hard to believe this is the same guy who wrote Flintlocke's Guide to Azeroth.
They must add something in the water at Blizzard.

>>49092153
>But all the other guilds agreed this is fair, as long as at least one person from each guild is allowed an artifact!
Only one person from each guild is allowed to be useful

>>49092153
>Limiting other players experience in any way when I'm a player is "fair"

That has to be bait

>>49092198
Of course it is. The only way it could have been more clear is if he said they bullied some nerdy qt3.14 or a young girl to trigger anon's paternal instinct. You can't 'get around harassment' by harassing others, otherwise it isn't harassment and people will just ignore it.

>>49092164
>Hard to believe this is the same guy who wrote Flintlocke's Guide to Azeroth.

No, it really isn't.

The dude wrote a lowbrow comedy webcomic about two bands of klutzy "heroes" rampaging through WoW with no real focus on canon or story. It was mostly a series of gags which sometimes led to bigger gags (like Flintlocke destroying Stormwind). There was never anything in FGtA that indicated to me that Kosak would be a great lore writer.

I will agree in one respect, though. While there have been a few good comedy quests during his tenure (for example "Welcome to the Machine" in post-Cata Hillsbrad) a lot of his humor seems to have deteriorated to "funny" pop culture references which aren't funny in any way. The pop culture jokes were always there in Blizzard games, it was one of their trademarks. But when Kosak became head writer he seemed to interpret this as THROW IT IN PEOPLE'S FACES CONSTANTLY and MAKE WHOLE QUESTLINES (and in one instance a whole fucking ZONE) based on shitty jokes. It's really deteriorated the overall atmosphere of the world.

Reminder that while everyone else on the planet is desperately trying to stop the Legion, Wrathion is in Stormwind, bending Anduin over the throne multiple times a day. Dragons are truly superior.

>>49092290
Considering how awfully common dragonfucking has become in Warcraft and how halfbreeds are a thing - what happens if a dragon gets knocked up while in human form? Or knocks up a human?

>>49092309

Dragons in WoW are sterile.

>>49092290
Reminder that no ones cares abour your faggot fantasies.

>>49092321
Well, that happened only relatively recently.

>>49092309
Draconic lineage?

>>49092020
That reminds me, I'd kill for Homeworld 3.

>>49092334

Relatively yes, but it's still true for both sexes now.

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>MFW i had to murder Ysera because some edgy demon fuck thought it would be hilarious so she got corrupted and shit fuck you legion ;_;

Who got fucked the hardest in lore? Person, institution or race, doesn't matter, who did Blizzard screw over the most/worst?

>>49092387
heads up this is the spoiler for the last quest in the malfurion storyline before you dick around in dungeons and shit, holy fuck that was sad.

>>49092387

Even worse it happens because of an unexplained plot device in a literally throwaway plotline.

>>49092387
Wait, this cinematic is not even a dungeon boss ?

>>49092390
Kul Tiras. It's not destroyed or retconned, it's just ignored.

>>49092390
the human kingdoms got the shaft

>>49092435
high elves are gay as almighty fuck and deserve to live in development hell, also known as metzens basement.
seriously fuck them, they deserve to rot.
t. Belffag.

>>49092390
Cannonically, the BE or worgen. Both races should have so few people it's not even funny.

Pretty much every race is actually a small portion of what it could be normally, apart from the NE and Orcs maybe.

Humans are meantto be from one of the smallest kingdom, Stormwind.
Dwarfs were assailed on all sides and only from 1 of the 3 big clans.
Gnomes nuked their capitals and lost a sizeable chunk of their population.
Draeneis are a portion of survivors of a race that tried to murderfuck them to corruption.
Worgen are the remnants of a popliztion that had a civil war, a natural catastrophe, an invasion, and a chemical bombardment throw on them.

Pandas are from an island that is in itself home to what would be a small village so not numerous at start, then divide rhel between Alliance and Horde.

Trolls are from one of the weakest tribe, the jungle ones.
Forsaken are the small part of undead that they could resurrect, kepe sane, and keep loyal.
Tauren were getting exterminated by Centaurs and Quillboars.
BE are the few survivors that survived getting Scourged, those going with Kael, and surviving magic addiction.
And goblins are what remains of Khezan after all the shir they went through.

Really, only 2 races out of them all are safe from a potential "dying race" etiquette. An etiquette which was hanging over most of them in Vanilla.

>>49092387
Not to mention that this is the THIRD fucking time Xavius makes a damsel in distress out of Malfurion
How can anyone have approved this? Why would anyone think "oh yeah, we can use this particular plot detail-for-detail, word-for-word three times in a row"?

>>49092427
nope, it seriously should have been a raid fight but it wasn't because lolblizzard.
it was depressing as almighty fuck though, legitimately i couldn't give a fuck about anyone else in the storyline because malfurion is a treesexual dipshit and tyrande is a stupid bitch, also the centarion circle is gay and so is all its offbranches, Ysera didn't deserve that though, she was my favorite out of the dragon aspects in cata really.

>>49092470
fortunately we finally get to kill xavius's dumb ass in the raid Gul'Dan isn't in since his edgy ass is the final boss of that one.

>>49092460
Shouldn't humans and Night elves be the most populated? Orcs were killed in droves at the end of the Second War, fought in the Third War, fought in numerous wars since and even suffered during a Horde civil war which saw Orcs on the losing side. You'd think they, along with the rest of the Horde, should have died out by now.

>>49092460
Stormwind is hardly the smallest, in fact it seems to be second in importance only to Lordaeron.
Alterac and Stromgarde are the small and irrelevant ones.

>>49092500
Ah, couldn't remember for sure the WC2 manual.

In any case it's still only a portion of the whole human race.

>>49092460
>implying the forsaken arn't one of the best ones off with all the bullshit scourgecrap they are doing on a regular basis
>implying theirs any good dead stiffies
anon plz, the dead belong underground, and i say this as a hordefag, sticking with the damn scourge and the lich queen was a terrible ass idea and i'm legit convinced it only happened cause garrosh wanted to spite everyone for treating him like ass all the time,
seriously the shit sylvannas is doing right now in the storyline is about in line i expected from her, considering she doesn't give a singular rats ass about the horde.

>>49092500
>>49092530
According to the Warcraft 2 manual, Stormwind was by far the most powerful human nation.

>>49092555
Raid soon? Jaina summoning at time line Arthas so he can start purging when.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3QJ8Pgjj3c
Why was this so terrible?

>>49092561
To be fair though, four of the other six are dead, Kul Tiras is MIA and neither it nor Dalaran were very big to begin with. Stormwind is the last bastion of uninfected humanity now.

>>49092600
Dalaran becoming neutral is an unforgivable crime.

>>49092575
i'm full on expecting by the end of the expansion jaina straight up joining the legion as a dreadlord, partially cause memes, partially because their probably the only ones who will put up with her shit at this point.

>>49092639
Honestly I just want a cinematic where a paladin Arthas turns up and brings a crusading army with him. Just for the interactions between him and the other characters. Be even better if varian wasn't dead.

Sylvanis drinking the green to escape death is a possibility too. It'll be just like mists!

>>49092639
Maybe she'll go back to Kul Tiras and try to finish what her dad started.
What other way to say "fuck you" to the playerbase than to make an entire human kingdom the bad guys?

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>>49086879
Alliance and horde got asses kicked because Legion and instantly summon killed demons back while near the tomb of Sargeras.

Pillars of creation are Titanic tools that can fix this.

Sylvanas is a cowardly bitch who tries to corrupt a Titanic watcher so she can have her own Val'kyr.

Warriors are the main characters of the Expansion.

>>49092605
They were never going to get involved in the red vs blue; mages stack INT as their primary stat.

>>49092086
>actively wanting to wield Utalesh untransmogged
???

>>49092605
Dalaran still existing after Warcraft 2, Beyond The Dark Portal and Warcraft 3 is an unforgivable crime

>>Warriors are the main characters of the Expansion.
As it should be.

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> Rogues get Matthias Shaw, Valeera and Vanessa
> Warlocks get fucking eredar twins
> Oh my god, just look at those impossibly cool druid followers.
> Meanwhile, warriors get a bunch of vrykul literally whos. Oh, and Ymiron.

>>49092711
It's funny but it's really true when going through leveling.

>90% of everything is pointing towards "We need to harness the titanic shit" or "Army of Light"

>Warriors the only ones who deal with Titans stuff directly
>Paladins and Priests share the Army of light

Everyone else is doing stupid tactics like the Deathknights making four randome useless asshats and the Shamans "Let's unite four failures"

>>49092686
Don't forget the malfurion clusterfuck, jesus Christmas blizzard.

>>49085628
Someone post that pasta about the guard that fucked the grandmother of an elven ambassador/diplomat.

>>49092736
I liked Malfurion at the start of Val'Sharah he sounded so nice and happy

Then the drama started and Malfurion goes from angryman to HELP ME TYRANDE to laughing at Xavius in the instance.

>>49092731
Thorim and Hodir are pretty cool m8y.

Not want to hang around with your Titanic bros and tap some Shieldmaiden Ass?

>>49092733
>stupid tactics like the Deathknights making four randome useless asshats
I'll remind you now that slander is a crime, citizen

>>49092733
Warriors have the best artifact questline, killing a Pitlord and gaining entrance into Warrior Heaven. , mages probably have the worst.

Warriors also have the best way of leaving their Order Hall which is falling to earth like Thor in a ball of fire.

>>49092760
Some other non-Vikings would be cool, like dead lore characters. Just a bit of variety. Plus nobody can pronounce 'jar' right.

Man, the DH clas questline makes Akama into a colossal whiny faggot. Apparently he was the onyl person Illidan entrusted all the details of his plan to fight the Legion, and what does he do? Get 25 murderhoboes to stab him to death, because "muh Light, muh temple". Then the DHs actually offer him a chanse to join them to help stop the Legion from assraping Azeroth, and he tells them to fuck off and tried to kill you (although apparently if you pick Altruis during the DH starter quest, Akama will join you).

Also, what's the deal with Shade of Akama anyway? I thought it was just some magical manifestation/construct created by Illidan to allow him to control the Ashtongue broken, but in the questline he seems to have its own personality, stating that he's "free again" and mentioning how it has always admired Illidan when you talk to him. The DHs also treat it as a proper person, rather than some construct. Best I can figure it would be the part of Akama's subconcious that doesn't hate Illidan, given form.

>>49092786
Skyhold WAS going to have tons of fallen warriors, but they changed it because MUH LORE of people whining why a Human and Orc would go to Vrykul heaven.

They could easily have explained it as "Fuck you I am Odyn"

>>49092733
>he doesn't enjoy watching thrall cry bitchtears
>he doesn't know elemental lords actually matter.
Cry harder fuccboi.

>>49090394
They do, though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_NzxWGrVaY

>>49092805
>Shamans need to beg and plead for the Bitch ass Elemental lords
>Warriors get the guys who made them their bitches as followers

>>49087229
>I bet Sylvanas had the hots for him both in life and undeath because he treats her like a bitch, too.

Have you done the Horde post-Borked Shore questline? He's a whipped bootlicker that holds back on killing demons just to make his Dark Lady look good.

>>49092770
>death knights trying to roleplay as commisars
When will this tired meme end? You got BTFO by Tirion, shut up already.

>>49092799
Because Illidan didn du nuffin.

Shade of Akama is literally Illidan slicing Akama's soul in two and corrupting the fuck out of it so he can hold Akama hostage like the literal Lucifer figure he is.

You should have picked Altruis the Red-pilled because Kayn is basically a shill for Illidan's stupidity.

>>49092596
AU Gul'dank, that's why. MU version clearly wasn't evil enough

>>49092813
Nobody cares about your literally who's and trolling ymiron though, at least you know everybody in the shaman hall if you actually were around in cata.

>>49092786
>Warriors have the best artifact questline, killing a Pitlord and gaining entrance into Warrior Heaven.
Warlocks also kill a Pitlord. Only they carve out his heart to take control of his army of demons.

>>49092832
But do they go to glorious Valhalla, shiny and chrome? No, they get to be the Edgelord of Planet Schoolshooting.

>>49092827
MU Gul'dan was completely willing to sell out his entire race for more power even without being a complete, wretched failure.
He's even more evil.

>>49092830
Is it as bad as hunters hipster 'actually we've been fighting the legion for ten thousand years, but you've probably never heard of us' lore? At least there's a cute murloc at the lodge.

>>49092844
No, they're the one class that goes toe-to-toe with the Legion with its own power, but we won't get to anything significant with it because that would take away from Demon Hunters being the special fucking snowflakes with demon powers of the expansion.

>>49092851
Basically, Warriors deal with all the Titanic Watchers basically being the strongest dudes on Azeroth who fucked up by being lazy god shits.

Warrior's job is to play General Patton in leading up to Ragnarok.

>>49092844
Ha, you could say Warlocks are mediocre.

> Be warlock
> Other than eredar twins, my followers are literally whos
Our class has so little representation in lore, Blizzard had to make Gul'Dan our face in Hearthstone. Gul'Dan, who was long dead and non-entity by this point.

>>49092870
>Not loving the spunky gnome

Literally best Waifu in the game besides Mylune.

>>49092851
Nah shaman's literally kidnapped the entire earthen ring, thrall and his wife, storms touted from panda land and the cute panda kid makes an appearance, also the elemental lords and their minions.
Also in the shaman world questline you get to Dick around with thunderfury.

>>49092870
Who'd you rather the warlock representative? Archie? Kil'jaeden? Cho'gall?

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>>49092866
WITNESSED

>>49092890
Well, that's the point, isn't it? Warriors have a ton of important NPCs like Magni, Varian or Grom. Paladins had Tyrion, Maraad, Liadrin and Dezco (who is actually a more important tauren than Baine, go figure). Rogues had both VanCleefs, Valeera, Matthias Shaw, plenty too choose from. But us warlocks had long dead Gul'dan and a bunch of demon bad guys, who really can't be called warlocks, because they are demons themselves. Black Harvest are literally the one notable warlocks apart from that one gnome, who summoned Jaraxxus and died.

49092890
Mor'zul Bloodbringer, off the top of my head. Dude helped you get a dreadsteed in vanilla and hasn't been seen since, seems like a good fit.

>>49091901
There were two groups
They fought
Guess who won?

GUL'DAN

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>>49092970
DELETE THIS

>>49092922
>>49092890
Teron Gorefiend?

>>49092982
Death knight

>>49092997
Different generation of Death Knight, completely different to the current ones running around Icecrown.

>>49092109
I don't think the idea behind the artefacts is bad. Artefact traits are very similar to the old talent tree system, and having a signature weapon you upgrade, rather than replacing every few quests because you got a weapon with +5 ilevel, is neat. But I do think handing out Ashbringer and the likes to every player for free was a bad move. I prefer the kind of artefacts are are clearly powerful weapons, but not massively famous lore-defining things like the Ashbringer. Like the havoc DH weapon, which is the blade of some demon hunter that turned traitor, and got powered up by Kil'jaden, or the combat rogue weapon, which is a cursed pirate sword.

>>49093203
Different generation that was made to suck Gul'dan's and by extension the Legion's dick.
Of course, Gorefiend joined Illidan later on for some reason, so he might not be that loyal to the Legion. But anyway, he ded. Again.

Who's the worst death in Legion?

Vol'jin?
Ysera?
all of Darkshire?
Amber Kearnen? ;_;

>>49093203
Still not a warlock, even if the orc was

>>49093319
I think vol'jin might not be dead

>>49093325
He got da plot poison, mon. He deder dan ded

>>49091901
One for peace, one for war.
Lika any other culture in history.

>>49093335
Dat dead troll on da pyre with da mask could be anyone.

>>49093319
>all of Darkshire?
What ? When ? Why ? How ?

>>49093325
He got poisened and they burned his body

>>49093350
>What ? When ? Why ? How ?

assassination rogue artifact quest

>>49092361
Now Warcraft 2 makes no sense.

>>49093319
Tirion.
"One final blessing" memes aside, his VA delivered a disturbingly convincing impression of someone getting roasted alive.
I should have kept sound off.

>>49092487
Humans died in droves too in the second war.
Then after a short period of peace got ravaged by the plague followed by getting raped by Undead.
Then the demons appeared and could operate unchecked for a while until Archimonde was stopped.

Not to begin with the bullshit blue vs. red wars in later wow.

>>49092605
According to what the alliance did to Alterac, it is.

>>49093434
At the start of vanilla it would seem like the combined plague/demon rape train went through about half of Lordaeron and maybe Dalaran, judging by how Southshore, Stromgarde and southern Silverpine were more or less intact. So four (and a half) out of six remaining human kingdoms lucked out at the time.

>>49093465
After Warcraft 3, the two main humain kingdoms should have been Stromgarde and Kul Tiras.

Will the naga ever just get over it? It's been thousands of years and they're still mad they got sent to undersea mega prison.

>>49093445
The difference is that Dalaran basically rebuilt itself (with help from a guy who basically hated any one who wasn't human, and was probably self-promoted and not affiliated with anyone in Alliance High Command), and didn't try to backstab the Alliance by trying to assassinate one of the Alliance's heroes to get better leverage with the Horde.

It was basically "Hey, Malygos and Arthar are gonna push our shit in, we need all the mages and their we can get". It also helped that the apprentice of their last leader (who has turned out quite powerful herself) is...or was, a huge proponent for cooperation.

The only niggling thing is how Horde (most likely Forsaken and probably Blood Elves) attacked Runeweaver's Dalaran forces outside the bubble. Which is why I thought it was a nice touch in how he was the other "No" vote to let the Horde back into Dalaran. Though back then I used to joke that the Horde leveraged the whole Forsaken defectors quest into some sort of diplomatic favor.

>>49093465
Ghostlands and Eversong Woods were STILL fucked come TBC. Hell, majority of Ghostlands is bloody infested with undead and plague or every sort

>>49093723
Nah, Stormwind is fine since by the time of WoW they had almost 20 decades to rebuild.

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>>49093231
OG Gul'dan didn't care about the Legion, he just wanted power. Hell, his last moments were spent trying to steal the powers of Sargeras.

Teron himself was surprisingly loyal to the Old Horde, rather than Gul'dan himself, and when that broke up he became a free agent. He didn't actually join Illidan, just squatted in his basement.

And hey, he could come back again. The wheel turns once more...

>>49093754
>And hey, he could come back again. The wheel turns once more...
Yeah, that's straight-up implication that he's immortal now

>>49093781
Yeah last time he "died" his ghost just hung out in SMV for a couple decades until he duped some unwitting adventurer into freeing him.

>>49093781
>>49093808

Death is a pretty minor concern in WoW for villains. Only heroes die permanently.

>>49093365
If you're referring to Alexstraze getting raped by the orcs to breed an army of dragons, that's still canon. Dragons only became sterile after the Aspects sacrificed their power to stop Deathwing at the end of Cataclysm.

>>49093754
>Hell, his last moments were spent trying to steal the powers of Sargeras.
only after TFT retconned his story for no fucking reason

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>>49087420
There's only, what, one canon living half-elf? And one known previous one, who was the first Guardian of Tirisfal? I'd say that's still eye-bat worthy.

>>49094093
The only retcon is that Gul'dan died inside rather than in the battle. What, do you think he raised those islands and splintered the Horde to go on a picnic?

The mission was even CALLED "The Tomb of Sargeras".

>>49092982
Shit, there IS still MU Gorefiend running around somewhere isn't there?

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>>49093730
They have. They just want to take over the world because they're Old God stooges and pricks. Only a small of the original sunk Highborn even exist, +95% of naga were hatched as opposed to being born.

So, what side is Xavius on again?

Legion or Old Gods?

>>49094361
>The only retcon is that Gul'dan died inside rather than in the battle.
in Warcraft 2 the demons inside Sargeras' tomb were on Gul'dan's side. It was only in TFT that they changed it so that Gul'dan betrayed the Legion

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>>49093319
>Amber Kearnen? ;_;
this has gone on long enough.

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>>49094005
>Only heroes die permanently.
>tfw arthas was a real human bean and a true herrow.

RIP sweet prince.

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>>49094541
>>49094541
>>49094541

>>49094375
He was hanging around as a ghost in TBC until he duped the players into bringing him hid body, and then headed to Black Temple to crash on Illidan's couch. He got killed (again) in the BT raid, but all things considered, his ghost is probably still hanging around somewhere.