How would the Imperium treat a newly found colony that can produce

Bring them into the fold, take their shit.

That's standard procedure.

If somehow these guys are Chaos corrupted they might get CLEANSEPURGEKILL'd.

The authors are inconsistent about how reasonably the Imperium acts.

That said, it tends to lean on the unreasonable side if it can afford to,
and on the reasonable side when it cannot.

If they're doing well enough to have the time to find new colonies,
they're probably doing well enough to get away with being unreasonable.


Either way Mechanicus would declare it heretekal.
Not that they would necessarily have much influence.

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>>48956063
You know just as well as I that a Mechanicus fleet would be dispatched to purge them for being "Hereteks" and straying from the Omnissiahs light

>>48956063
>>48956404
Why would the tech priests be butthurt?

>>48956686
Because someone built shit that wasn't them!

>>48955916
So, what... a planet produces carapace armor and highly trained soldiers?
The fucking Schola Progenium takes over the training and the Mechanicus takes over the armor manufacturing facilities, what do you think?

They're basically stormtroopers already, anyway.

>>48956758
Produces power armor. carapace armor is good but actual PA is better.

>>48956758
Spartan armor has integrated force-fields, and the Spartans themselves are heavily cybernetically augmented. They're a step above normal stormtroopers.

>>48956758

Powered armor with regenerating shields. The Imperium has Iron Halos, but that shit is just rare relics which cannot be reproduced. The technology on Reach is enough to double to durability of the common space marine by giving EVERY SM their own shield, if nothing else, as well as giving them the technological means to create platoons of 'lite-marine' spartans to bolster the effectiveness of their normal forces. Spartans are each worth 100 men in a battle, but there is a high risk of the person dying in the process of the many enhancement surgeries required to make one.

The Imperium would have no problem just churning people into the surgical grinder to make waves of spartans. Indeed, I can assure you that at least one inquisitor or planetary governor is going to abuse the fuck out of the fact that they can have near-space marine level troops that are not technically space marines and not covered by any of the existing restrictions on them.

And lets not forget that a Spartan 2 can flip a tank over with their bare hands, and has an absurd vertical leap. In the books, the Mjolnir armor gives Chief the reaction time necessary to slap away a gunship fired rocket with his hand causing it to explode, while outrunning enough of the blast that his shields absorbed the damage. The Space Marine might be tankier, but even in 40k Spartans are no joke.

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>>48956966
>Be Eldar
>Invadin a Maiden World those dumbass Mon'keigh decided to colonize with their grubby fuckin hands
>Be guarding the webway portal to the world
>See 5 of the Mon'keigh rolling up in one of their laughable excuses for transport
>No doors, no mounted weapons, not even a ram on the front
>They're armed with a collection of primitive autoguns
>Armor in what appears to be slightly more advanced carapace armor
>kekingCegorach.jpeg
>Me and mah fellow Master race get ready to slaughter these retards
>As they get closer they begin to speed up like the intend to ram us
>kekingharderCegorach.gif
>Suddenly the driver hits the brakes while the other five leap out
>10 gods damned meters away from us
>They can jump, so what?
>I ready my blade to meet them head on as they land
>As I swing my sword at the leaders neck, I can only laugh at the easy kill
>My sword hits nothing
>Fucking what
>He's already next to me with his hand buried up to the wrist in my spine
>Fucking what times two
>Look behind me as the Banshee is fucking inpaled on her own sword
>The squad of gaurdians open up on them
>They fucking dodge around the worst of it while what I can only assume to be shields absorbs the rest
>Sothisishowitfeels.jpeg
>They are promptly shredded with return fire as the Mon'keigh leap around
>That's our fucking shtick you bastards
>I hear the webway portal open and see a Warlock step out looking ready to whip ass
>Thank Fucking Khaine
>CRASH
>The fucking transport they came in on just crushed our only hope
>Look back and see the driver standing their looking like a smug prick without actually looking like a smug prick
>Realize that the dude finger fucking my vertebrae had already fucked off back to his transport
>MFW they are already heading off in the direction of the next portal
>MFW I know how it feels on the other side
>MFW I have no idea how many of these fuckers are running around

>>48958988
All I could think of while reading this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCMNWAJiz5Y

>>48955916
They'd love it. You've basically got some mini-marines.

>>48955916
>spartan II's become a possibly cheaper alternative for rapid reaction in sectors where SM are not stationed and a viable alternative as SM 'lites' that can be made faster in larger numbers than a normal SM
>spartan III's become backbone of inquisitorial stormroopers, maybe a whole IG section comprised of III's
>150 years+ after discovery, assuming everything goes well, hundreds of thousands of III's as a main line army with II's acting as cheap marines

really, with time, III's will slowly replace IG and II will just be a cheaper version of a SM. SM still have a function, but they are used more specialized than they are now

also, III's best spartans

Everything I've heard about the Mechanicus leads me to believe they'd throw an gigantic shit fit.

>>48959054
What the fuck did I just watch.

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>>48959113
>assuming everything goes well
It would be fun though, so fuck that grimdark shit.

>>48959113
>III's best Spartans
>Actually being this retarded
Faggot

>>48959231
SLY MARBO
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>48956729
No, no, no. We totally found an STC for them.. They're not heretical xenotech at all, why do you ask?

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>>48959347

>>48955916
>You get some Stormtroopers+

Genetic engineering and modification is pretty common among the upper echelon of the Imperial Armed Forces.

on a tabletop level... you'd have D-99 troopers with a 3+ armour save.

Doesn't the Imperium have a problem with AI?

>>48956051
Let's not forget tech heresy.
If they're too reliant on ai or diverge from ascribed tech ritual, that's a purging.

Whatever happens, they're probably gonna be converted into a forge world.

Spartan skitarii

>>48959966
Their shielding tech is going to be dissected a thousand times and retooled to work in imperial tech though.
Imagine if you could equip stormtroopers with void shielding. Or skitarii. Or pretty much anything more valuable than a guardsman.

>>48959878
Oh hella problems. The AIs would be the main sticking point really. The rest of it is just human made innovations, which while we joke the AdMech hate they'd really be very interested. They're not stupid, just extemely cautious. And can you blame them considering the setting?
The AI though are a no no. Purge them all. Not one. Rely on cloned sanctified brain tissue for cogitators or nothing.
Fortunately Spartans don't generally carry around AI and usually just have an on board computer to manage their armor. Which is totally okay. That's just a machine spirit, everything has those.
But Cortana is going to get her hard drive taped to a meltabomb, spaced and detonated.
And then maybe shot at for good measure.

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>>48959441

>>48958988
I mean...yeah. This exactly.

Imperium contacting Halo humanity means every xeno in the 40K galaxy is SOL. Not because Halo UNSC is so great, but because they have so many little improvements that, with the Imperium's economic backing, would exponentially increase the Imperium's power level until they reached or eclipsed the Golden Age.

>>48958988
To be honest, mate, a Spartan is probably nowhere near as fast as an eldar. Especially an aspect warrior.

Considering that most orks are S3, like eldar, and eldar routinely do shit that takes extraordinary strength, eldar v Spartans is probably a pretty fair-ish fight.

>>48960053
>But Cortana is going to get her hard drive taped to a meltabomb, spaced and detonated.

You do realize that this invokes the wrath of a main character, right?

Really though, it's kinda silly to assume the UNSC would just jump into the Imperium. They'd find the IoM absolutely abhorrent and would probably fight harder against them than they did against the Covenant. They'd lose, but I don't see them giving the Imperium anything except a bunch of glassed planets and a heap of dead guardsmen.

>>48960451
QUALITY POST

>>48960532
Yeah I know, but I was mainly going off of the fact that this would be first encounter and the Eldar would be expecting them to be slightly better equipped guardsmen. Also for the keks, "finger fucking my vertebrae" was my favorite part

>>48960451
>Implying
Bruh.
The UNSC has a glorified light tank firing APCBC-HE as their MBT and they're still using 7.62 NATO to try and fuck up Ayys.

>>48960804
Yeah, but the standard issue is the armor-piercing versions of those rounds. So yeah, the standard issue infantry weapons of the UNSC won't do shit to the heavy armor of the space marines, but it should do just fine against flak or wraith bone body armor. For the space marines or xeno equivalent, the have the Spartan Laser (basically man portable las-cannon) or the rail gun. So if the space marines do attack UNSC infantry they'll still be fucked, just not any worse than guardsmen. But UNSC is beaten in just about every other area though.

>>48960532

Depends by what metric you're using.

Video game v. Tabletop comparison and you'd be spot on, but that's a shitty way to do a match-up. I mean, by your logic a Guardsman is as strong as an Ork or Eldar because they all have S3.

Lore v. Lore is the better way to do these sort of match-ups, and there's a massive difference between the lore depiction of these characters and the game depiction.

>>48960804
I said little improvements. Efficient recharging energy shields, brilliant and steadfastly loyal AI, Non-Warp FTL, well-trained special forces (ODST are basically Stormtroopers or better considering their track record), and not to mention the SPARTAN program, which was able to create near-Space Marine (some might argue on par!) supersoldiers. Hell, Master Chief and Noble 6 alone could probably empty a Craftworld given a week.

They also got a fighting ethic that aligns very well with the Imerium (hold the line, die fighting, no surrender, if you gotta go then blow up everything with you, etc), and if it's around the Halo 3 time period, then there's a major anti-xeno sentiment to connect the two. If Halo 4 goddamn I hate post-Reach Halo games is anything to go by, they are also masters of reverse engineering other peoples' tech and using it against them.

>>48960991
>Armor Piercing
Which has different affects upon flesh than most other rounds. An Ork won't give a single shit if you just punch a through AP rounds in his gut because they're less likely to yaw, or deform because of the harder core of the round. The Imperium already HAS man-portable lascannons. Halo is largely inflated with a lot of bullshit that shouldn't work. 40k is too, but it doesn't actually try to justify how it works. The Spartans would be a little better than Kasrkin. Their augments are mainly focused on strength, stamina and speed. The Imperium would be easily capable of providing their own variations on it, which would most likely be improved through the addition of something like an auto-sanguine.

>>48961007
You keep forgetting that those energy shields are reverse engineered xeno-tech. The AdMech would certainly investigate them, but you wouldn't see anything from that investigation for decades, if not centuries. A.I would by no means be adopted, especially with their habit of going rampant in a 'short' period of time, and the ODST are pretty much Halo Harakoni. Well armored and armored airborne Stormtroopers.
>Master Chief and Noble 6
You are vastly overestimating how fast the Eldar are. They are capable of out-pacing Astartes, and have been known to dodge lasfire because of their speed and ability to judge angles of fire.

>>48961099
Underestimating*
Apologies.

>>48960998
Basically, 40K has low granularity, and S3 is a broad range.

Fluffdar jump several meters through the air, punch people's chest cavities in, and move so fast you can literally blink and miss them. This kind of stuff requires some serious musculature.

Remember, these dudes are a bioengineered warrior race. They're just not designed the same way Marines are.

>>48961099
>You keep forgetting that those energy shields are reverse engineered xeno-tech.

Their shield tech made advances using xeno-tech, but ONI already had functioning shield technology. It was just shit. It wasn't until near the end of the war (where the Halo games take place) that they made the breakthrough for personal shielding that the Mjolnir system utilized.

They may be able to figure out where the sudden boost came from, but it's just as likely that the shield tech is all-human and only using the Xeno science as a guideline on how to improve their work. I mean, 2+2=4 regardless of how many legs you have.

>>48961173
>Basically, 40K has low granularity, and S3 is a broad range.

I've always seen the stat system as being more or less exponential, with S4 being basically multiple times the strength of S3 and continuing on like that.

>>48961197
And a Tech-Priest that takes 'inspiration' from Xeno-Tech can also be culled or punished. Not to mention whatever else the UNSC might have taken from the Covenant and their Sanghelli allies.

>>48960621
Underrated post.

And they may be outnumbered, but, one they captured a group of makes and realized the scope of the imperium?

The hundreds of halo arrays spread through the universe are suddenly looking pretty handy, and tbe imperium doesnt know they exist, or what theyre for, or how to use them.

Imperium may well win, but their imperium would be fucking devastated in the process.

>>48961249
My point is - how do you figure out where human science ends and xeno science begins? If it's all in the same field and not using radically different methods of logic?

Mind you, they've got thinking AI - so if any tech-heresy was going to be declared, that's where the hammer would fall.

>>48961309
My point is that it'd be another nail in the coffin. The AdMech would NOT want to truck with the UNSC. They'd just as sooner ramp up their manufacturing of already existing Imperial shield technology.

>>48961099
I was just saying Halo infantry would be able to hold its own against 40k infantry, I never said they would actually win. If I had to say, I would put UNSC marines on the same level as Cadians, ODST with Scions, and Spartans as buffed scouts.

>>48961351
>spartans as buffed scouts

that would only be the III's. the II's (depending on writer) fall somewhere between the two, with age playing a significant factor as the augs used by the UNSC to make spartans improve effectiveness with age

>>48961409
>fall somewhere between the two

meant to say between a III and a SM, once again depending on writter

>>48961303
The Galaxy at large would be devestated(read destroyed, well except the Necrons). The UNSC could pull a repeat of the Forerunners but actually have some if their own people in the indexes (or whatever the things the forerunners kept live samples of the various species in) and just light those bitches up. Hell, they'll definitely improve the galaxy at least. And if the tyranids aren't affected (are they intelligent enough?) then it's just a waiting game for them to fuck off.

>>48961431
Oh, and there's only seven arrays, they just had a fuckhuge range

>>48961431
>are they intellignet enough

'intelligence' was just a thing they said so they didn't have to give specifics with the arrays actually affecting something with a developed enough nervous system.

>>48961309
The best thing for everyone is if the cogboys were not, at least initially, involved.

Implying the UNSC, which couldn't stop the covenant from stomping it's main military Base at reach, and glassing half of earth, could stand up to the billion deaths a day Imperium Of Man. They wouldn't even need a crusade to win.

>>48961445
Doesn't halo take place in a much smaller space than 40k? Who is to say the forerunners didn't set up more arrays father out.

>>48955916
They'd supplement the guard would likely be seen as a nice bridge gap between guardsmen and space marines.

Not nearly as deadly as the Marines but a hell of alot better than a guardsmen regiment.

This is of course assuming someone doesn't call them heresy for attempting to recreate what the great emperor brought forth long ago, they are actual humans and fall in line with the imperium.

>>48961645
Well, the halo games take place in our arm of the milky way, but the seven arrays are scattered all around the galaxy. IIRC they had a range of something like 250,000 light years.

>>48961687
Doesn't 40k cover more than the entire milky way?

>>48956966
No iron halos are just item with conversion fields on them. They are produced just in limited quantities.

>>48961473
True regardless of context.

>>48961645
Don't both 40k and Halo take place inside of a single galaxy? You could argue that Halo is a much smaller space simply because there aren't as many colonised worlds.

>>48961647
Depends on how you look at the tech. If the Imperium can't mass produce the same results, Spartans may end up being specialised troops used only for very specific missions.

Does the UNSC have the capacity to produce an entire regiment of power armoured Spartans?

>>48956966
No anon they really are, Space Marines are faster than Aspect Warriors each of which makes Master Chief seem like a weakling you fail to grasp the firepower levels at play here anon, Chief MIGHT survive two or three lasgun shots, let alone shuriken rifle or shoota fire

>>48961879
*Spartan IIs are a joke

probably pulled by some low level adminustratum drone, especially when you take into account their main weapon is literally something not given an AP value

>>48961879
>Chief MIGHT survive two or three lasgun shots

Chief would take more damage from las or plasma fire than he would from shuriken or shoota fire.

His shields work better against kinetic impact than they do against energy impact.

His power armour, as far as defensive attributes goes, is on par with around about carapace level. It's simply better than carapace because of the extra augmentation built into the suit.

And any argument based on Master Chief being a weakling falls apart when you remember that Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines have canonically been killed by singular guardsmen.

>>48962013
>carapace armor
>Master Chief
>The guy who once walked off a fall from high orbit/fucking space

>>48961866
I thought 40k was dozens of galaxies, no?

>>48962013
>Chief would take more damage from las or plasma fire than he would from shuriken or shoota fire
>MFW
clearly someone doesn't understand the sheer ammount of ammunition expended in a single second by a Shuriken Weapon (hint in the hundreds of rounds per second) forgetting about the high-energy pulses that effectively make it an energy/ slug hybrid
Forgetting that based off of the noise the weapons make the Orks believe the damage is increased so therefore it is forgetting they're equivalent to a Space Marine Bolter in sheer firepower, if lacking slightly in the Armor Penetration department

>>48961879
>Space Marines are faster than Aspect Warriors

Pffft.

This is the point where you know this guy is completely off the rails here.

>>48962041
>Thinking falling from orbit is related to armor in this universe
>thinks this makes the master chief special
>Tempestus Scions have been in worse situations before
>doesn't realize orks can do this with a t-shirt (6+) save

>>48962221
Fine Space Marines are slower, but these buffoons still think that the Spartans would do literally anything other than being Exterminatused for tech heresy

>>48962204

I'm not saying shuriken or shoota's are shit dude, I'm saying Mjolnir's shield tech has a fundamental weakness to energy based weaponry.

>>48961866
It's not the augments that are the main problem, it's the people. The spartans have to be genetically capable with the augments. IIRC, out of the 300 original Spartan-II's like 75 to 100 were permanently crippled by the augments. Their minds were fine, but their bodies were ruined, the wash-outs were used as tacticians if I remembered right.
Also:
>>48961866
>>48961645
Halo takes place in the milky way galaxy, same galaxy size and general shape(give or take 37,000 years of change) as 40k's galaxy. The GAMES take place in the Orion Arm(our arm of the galaxy IIRC), mainly around Earth and its colonies in a few thousand light year radius in bits and pieces (ex, one piece is Earth, one is Reach, one is the ring from CE, etc.). The Halo UNIVERSE takes place entirely in the Orion Arm, Human, Covenant, whatever, it takes place in the Arm. However, the Forerunners (and ancient Humanity before the Human-Forerunner war)[/spoilers] were spread out through the entirety of the galaxy. And by extension, so was the Flood when it began munching on the Forerunners. Now, the Forerunners couldn't kill the Flood itself because it spread faster than herpes and was as deadly as cyanide (the fact it got smarter with every intelligent being it consumed, memories and all, certainly didn't help), so the decided to kill what they could. It's food. Basically, every organic being of sufficient intelligence and biomass. So, they built seven fuckhuge weaponized ring worlds, catalogued and collected samples of every species that was gonna be affected (Human, Covenant, the probably dozens of other species scattered throughout the galaxy), and fired those bitches, wiping themselves out in the process.
So, the thing to remember about the Halo series is that while it may seem small compared to 40k, it because it focuses on Humanity's struggles in our small part of the galaxy.

>>48962326
But we've already debunked it's inherent usefulness, unless you're willing to field it in regiments (which the Mechanicus would be against as it doesn't fall in line with their religion, making it impossible to obtain in the requisite numbers) where it would be cheaper to have Tempestus Scions do the job as effectively.

>>48962432
SHIT, my [/spoiler] didn't work

>>48962443
>But we've already debunked it's inherent usefulness

What? Link?

Mjolnir armour is inherently superior to carapace armour on an individual level, but yeah - it's unlikely to be able to be produced on a mass scale.

>>48962432
>It's not the augments that are the main problem, it's the people. The spartans have to be genetically capable with the augments. IIRC, out of the 300 original Spartan-II's like 75 to 100 were permanently crippled by the augments. Their minds were fine, but their bodies were ruined, the wash-outs were used as tacticians if I remembered right.

A lot of the surviving washouts did move on to important roles in ONI and UNSC.

But hey, numbers are never an issue. 40k has a meatgrinder mentality when it comes to manpower.

In the Halo universe, losing a planet is a catastrophe of the highest order because there just isn't that many human colonies.

In 40k they might not even notice that a planet had been flat out destroyed for years, if ever.

>>48962558
it may take time for the wider imperium too notice a lost planet. but every lost planet is felt. Habitable planets are are rare commodity in 40k things like exterminatus are a worse case last resort. It's just grimdark so the worst case happens rather often.

>>48962647

My point is that the human population in the 40k verse is an order of magnitude greater than the Halo verse.

>>48962558
Half the grey knight novels revolve around the fact that the Imperium at large can't keep track of it's myriad planets and let's them go rogue through poor management.

>>48961173

> Fluffdar jump several meters through the air, punch people's chest cavities in, and move so fast you can literally blink and miss them.

Spartans accomplish most of those, the only thing they lack is the pure speed. They are fast, but not that fast. They do, however, have retardedly fast computer assisted reaction time. Like, to the point that they actually had to tone it down because the spartans were reporting that when their adrenaline was pumping the world moved in such slow motion it was actually fucking with their combat flow because they were getting BORED waiting for for their actions to resolve after making the decision to do them.

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>>48955916
>yfw Emps communicates to Astropaths that the UNSC are the reclaimers
>yfw Astropaths and Inquisition do to the UNSC exactly what the Covenant did
>yfw Emperor goes Starchild and says verbatim "I hope that Didact asshole got his man he was a douche"

>>48962432
> IIRC, out of the 300 original Spartan-II's like 75 to 100 were permanently crippled by the augments.

I think that's still better success rates than Marines.

But this thread got me thinking that anyone you'd be able to turn into a SPARTAN is probably someone compatible with being a Space Marine, so wouldn't you want to turn them into a Space Marine even if it's longer odds they'll make it to full Battle Brother?

The big gain with SPARTAN tech to me seems like you could use it on females. Not to disrespect the Sororitas or anything, but I'm betting that a female SPARTAN of any stripe is going to outclass a Sister of Battle.

>>48962662
>several orders of magnitude
Its estimated that at any given time there are approximately 1,000,000 worlds at ant given time, accounting for the natural growth of the Imperium and fall of planets at any time

>>48962798
All the Space Marine Chapters have their own process for recruiting. I reckon let them keep their process, and anyone who doesn't make the cut get the Spartan job.

>>48962823
That'd work, maybe, for the Ultramarines (whose process probably doesn't entail something like putting the hundred or so people who pass the genetic screenings and what not into a pit and making them fight to the death until like ten are left), and then, the ones who don't make the cut would probably still rather be Chapter Serfs than go and be SPARTANS.

>>48961099
>Rampant
>AI
it is at that point that the research goes into the trash and is thrown into a blackhole, along with every AI they can find

>>48962525
>Mjolnir armour is inherently superior to carapace armor on an individual level, but yeah - it's unlikely to be able to be produced on a mass scale.

They can mass produce the armor all they want, the problem is they can't mass produce the troops.

The UNSC actually has the armor before the spartans themselves. In the books, you see them put an unmodified human into the suit. The first time he moves his arm, the armor moves too fast for his frail human body to keep up and it breaks his arm in 5 places. The pain of which causes him to recoil, causing various breaks and ruptures in the rest of his body. He was dead within seconds of turning it on.

The spartan IIs are made to survive using the armor, peak physical condition augmented with armored bones and cybernetic enhancements + gene therapies. They are literally Space Marines, just without 40ks lore multiplier.

If you mass produce Mjolnir armor for the guard without doing the rest of the enhancements, all you have done is make convenient guardsmen pulping machines.

>>48962889
>They can mass produce the armor all they want, the problem is they can't mass produce the troops.

What makes you think that?

See >>48962801
>Its estimated that at any given time there are approximately 1,000,000 worlds at ant given time, accounting for the natural growth of the Imperium and fall of planets at any time

If there's one thing they can do, it's mass-produce troops.

Shit, the 40k setting could mass produce Space Marines if they didn't have the whole religious aspect to their creation and had preserved the scientific knowledge of the process.

>>48962879
I now want to see Forerunner AI as a faction in the tabletop for 40K. Guilty Spark and his fellow Custodians go full Rampant and decide to wipe everything out.

They juuuust need to trick a human into firing the goddamn rings.

>>48961173
>bioengineered warrior race
Spartan-IIs are taken from their homes at the age of six. They're taken away from their families and raised as a soldier. In addition to having their humanity whipped out of them, they also have genetic engineering turning them into super humans. The book "Fall of Reach" goes so far as to describe Kelly as being difficult to follow her movements due to her speed, Linda as an impossibly good sniper, with awesome awareness, not to mention John's bullshit luck practically being a deus ex machina. Their adaptability and what i'm going to call weapon instinct allows them to find alien weapons and simply know how they work. The books also constantly reference the SPARTAN-IIs as far superior to humans and how awesome they are.

And that's all without their Mjolnir power armour, which augments all of their nature abilities even farther.

>>48962889
What this nigger says is all true. The only issue I have with what he says is implying that the UNSC, on its own or after being absorbed by the Imperium, wouldn't be willing to kidnap shitloads of kids and make shitloads of spartans.

>>48962978
>>48962978
>wouldn't be willing to kidnap shitloads of kids and make shitloads of spartans.
Yea, I agree there, considering what the S-III program was. The UNSC would certainly try to outpace the Imperium's production. However, considering the fact the UNSC doesn't have plans to recruit babies conceived when mixed regiments go through the Warp for a few months, they simply won't be able to.

They'll damn well try, however.

Also, your post made me realize that the UNSC would probably DESPERATELY try to kill/capture/disect a Space Marine, thinking that the Marines were the leaders of the entire Imperium somehow. Either that, or the initial contact would go "oh, we're both humans!" and then the ONI would have a shitstorm trying to fight Inquisitors.

UNSC vs IoM would be much quieter than these threads imply, IMO.

>>48960053
Technically the UNSC 'smart' AIs are brains (usually harvested from recently deceased donors but in very rare cases cloned) that are then digitized. The UNSC might be able to swing this as humans joining with the glorious machine spirits, and the AdMech might buy this. The UNSC also uses 'dumb' AIs but those aren't usually sapient and are really more complex guidance systems or VIs.

>>48963047
>Also, your post made me realize that the UNSC would probably DESPERATELY try to kill/capture/disect a Space Marine, thinking that the Marines were the leaders of the entire Imperium somehow. .

...what?

People are forgetting that the "SPARTAN" IVs can be made from normal people and that the newer generations of MJOLNIR are usable by those minimally-enhanced pissants.

>>48962889
>The UNSC actually has the armor before the spartans themselves
Nope. The MJOLNIR that they used for SPARTANS was actually developed in tandem with the SPARTAN program, they just tried testing it on normal people as you said.

>>48962978
>John's bullshit luck practically being a deus ex machina
He's the inheritor of the Mantle :^)

>>48963047
I'd say there'd be a bit of violent conflict due to the UNSC's tech, which would be considered heretical (AIs being the most egregious despite being scanned from human brains) but then the UNSC would get quietly snapped up and integrated.

>>48960053
The shielding tech used by the UNSC is actually reversed engineered xeno-tech. Which is to say the Imps would probably be a bit pissed this was done unsanctioned. They might make a show of punishing them for it while feverishly learning to use it them selves.

>>48963074
Just look at how they handled Covenant tech. The ONI seized and desperately lunged at every piece of technology the Covies had. Repurposing everything, incorporating it or dying in the process of trying.

Remember how the ONI were going to try abducting a Prophet before they even fully knew what a Prophet was? That is mostly spitballing, however, and is a huge stretch.

A lot of things would have to go wrong first, but the ONI prioritizing the reverse-engineering a Space Marine wouldn't be far-fetched.

>>48963058
no the Silica Animus is the kind of abomination only the worst hereteks turn themselves into.

>>48963113
>A lot of things would have to go wrong first, but the ONI prioritizing the reverse-engineering a Space Marine wouldn't be far-fetched.

That wasn't what I was confused by. I am confused by your notion that they'd think a clear warrior caste were somehow the rulers of the Imperium.

>>48962788
>>yfw Astropaths and Inquisition do to the UNSC exactly what the Covenant did
You mean some how fuck-up so bad that they lose what should have been an easy curb-stomp battle that went in their favor?

>>48963150
They're notably bigger, they're revered by holy texts, called "angels" by the Guardsmen who don't know any better (read as: any Guardsman with less than 3min combat time), and are effectively immortal badasses. If the ONI doesn't know of the scope of the Imperium, I would imagine some big-wig would go "well it's just a runaway Insurrectionist and clearly these super-warriors are the commanders that run everything."

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>Hey guys, how would the Imperium react to X!

From what I understand, short of anything outright heretical, it is entirely dependent upon who finds them and whatever Inquisitor conducts the initial investigation

>>48963152
Nah, more like "STOP ANYONE FROM KNOWING THAT GOD LIKES THESE GUYS."

That's the entire reason the Covenant went to war with Humanity, and also the reason the Prophets of Truth, Regret, and Mercy run everything as part of an oligarchy.

>>48960053
The irony is, if the imperium ever found out Halo-Earth's deep dark secret about AI: that they're actually brain-patterns ripped from children who washed out of the early Spartan programs, that would probably be cool, because it wasn't abominable, it's a human mind operating the machinery.

>>48963227
>that they're actually brain-patterns ripped from children who washed out of the early Spartan programs
Not just from the SPARTAN program, Cortana and the AI that ran the base under the mountain in Reach were made from the cloned brains of Dr. Halsey. The Imperium would be more at odds with "dumb" AI, which iirc are artificial.

>>48961711
No, it's pretty much Milky Way only. There's references to extragalactic threats like the Tyranids, and the Warp is technically another reality, but that's it.

>>48962432
The other issue of the UNSC making an entire regiment of Spartan II's aside from finding suitable, willing (aka kids who could be kidnapped and replaced by flash clones, which btw, wtf why did cloning never come up in Halo other than providing fake kids in place of the original kidnapped spartans) was the crazy cost of actually arming the spartans. Aside from the costs of training, and augments and treatments for the spartans the development and manufacturing of Mjolnir armor was prohibitively expensive. Granted in spacefaring empire, they could have probably made more suits and spartans, but due to the secrecy of the project, they had limitations on funding/ways of hiding the funding.

One of the original books that focused on the development of spartans and MC (either the flood, first strike or Fall of reach), Halsey mentions that the cost of producing 1 suit of Mjolnir armor was equal to the cost of a starship. I just check halopedia and it supports that stating that it producing one suit costs as much as a destroyer which is fucking crazy. Apparently 80% of the cost is due to creating the special layer of the suit that enhances reflexes, strength etc, because the materials and process of making it are fucking gay.

So all in all, in a empire of the IoM where money isn't necessarily an issue, they could probably crank a lot of these things out, but it would be entirely dependent on getting the admech on board which seems terrible, cause the admech would probably fuck everything up in their way of making sure it is all kosher with the omnissiah.

Also the suits have microfusion packs, that shit would prob be a big help to the IoM

Also according to Halopedia, I guess cause of the Halo 4 and on, it turns out, Halsey, creator of spartans was implanted with a geas by the forerunners to design and develop power armor and AI. FUCK EVERYTHING, WHY WOULD 343 DO THAT? 343 JUST RUINED SOME OF THE COOLEST ASPECTS OF MC AND SPARTANS AND HUMANS.

>>48963403
It's implied that stacked nuclear piles and other power systems exist to fuel power armor, but it's not a standard design.

>>48963427
In 40k, I mean. Check the Black Crusade RPG, the power armor customization charts in the equipment section include a sustained power source.

>>48963173

And any conflict with the Space Marines is going to reveal a pretty heavy Emperor fetish that matches what they've seen in the Guardsmen as well.

It's pretty clear that they'd realise they had an Emperor real damn fast.

>>48963227
Actually using human brains to make smart AIs isn't a huge secret and has been going on since well before the SPARTAN program. They were made from organ donor brains. Dr. Halsey made ones from clones of her own brain to make even smarter ones because being turned into an 'artificial' intelligence greatly enhanced IQ and thinking speed. So one made from an average person would be capable of run the infrastructure of sparsely populate farming planet like Harvest, command all traffic in a big space port or pilot a capital ship through an tricky slingshot maneuver around an exploding star by its self; while one made from a genius like Dr. Halsey turns into a god tier AI waifu who can decipher alien languages in real time and learn to control ancient super advanced alien tech with frightening speed.

>>48963403
The issue with the flash clones was it was a very recent development to be able to clone a person with the same memories as the first. And there were still big issues with it. It cost a lot and the clones had several health issues. The survival rates of the clones... wasn't great.

>>48963403
Fuck the more I think about Halo now, after reading halopedia, the more I realize it is fucking retarded.

Spacefaring gov develops supersoldiers to kill rebels and insurrectionist on shitty outer planets. Also make suits of armor that individually cost as much as a destroyer.

Turns out AyyLMAOs are real and want to xenocide humanity. All human warships and troops are shit compared to Ayylmaos. Single dude in suit of armor that cost as much as a starship manages to singlehandedly turn the tide of everything. Spartan 117 is the savior of humanity and should be venerated as a living god. No one has done one iota of shit as important for the survival of the human species as this dude, and yet statistically if asked if the UNSC had to do it again with developing spartans and the stupidly expensive mjolnir armor, all numbers would say no, build 75-100 destroyers instead of making suits of armor for 74-99 useless fagets and one god.

However all of this doesn''t ruin Halo. It just makes it stupidly fun. However add in the idea that everything about Halo was planned by a bunch of alien fags who fucked up hiding while firing Halo arrays makes all the fun stuff about coincidence and luck in saving humanity look gay as hell.

The libranian's plan to make humanity reclaim the mantle was pretty fucking gay. just so happens to do genetic bullshit that makes so cunt develop AI, spartans, and Retard armor just in time for Humanity to almost be completely eradicated. Fuck, if forerunners really wanted the mantle shit to be passed on, just fucking give humans the tools, none of this latent geas implanted in human genetics bullshit. FAGGOTRY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER. I HOPE NURGLE FUCKING VISITS 343 INDUSTRIES FOR FUCKING UP AN ALREADY STUPID, BUT FUN, SERIES.

>>48963666

The Spartans only turned the tide on the ground. In space, the Covenant always had the upper hand. Another 300 destroyers wouldn't have changed that.

>>48963666
Nice trips, but the Innies weren't just on the shitty outer planets. They were pretty much every where except Earth., and there were sum big important colonies out there. The reason the Spartan program got green lit despite it's cost is because making a bunch of destroyers to bomb your own cities into submission isn't a great plan since it's likely to a bunch of civilians who might very well other wise support you. And ONI wanted to put down the insurrection quietly; costs be damned they wanted results. So a small secret army of nearly unstoppable super soldiers seemed the best solution.

>>48963702
No I get that. Thats kind of the fun part about the original series. Its about plucky humans that managed to win/survive in the end, through luck and taking the unusual approach. The superiority the spartan offered on the ground was critical to winning the war. The success of mankind was dependent on the odd choice/decision being made and using it to the best of the abilities.

Its fucking retarded cause of all of the new stuff, especially about how forerunners are basically fucking tzeentch planning all this shit out. srsly, the surprising and incredible victory by humanity was heavily in part b/c old alien cunts prepped humans genetically to design shit in time.

>>48963753
no, you're right and I messed up the point i was trying to get across. It was kind of cool how the spartans were created at crazy cost to deal with a considerable problem but came to save humanity in it's darkest hour, even though everything about them from the creation of the program to their effect on the covenant war was always at long odds.

I think i kinda just got too caught up in how fucking retarded the new stuff is with the Librarian implanting geas in humans to make AI's and power armor. Like seriously, one of the key components of humanities incredible victory was because of some crusty old alien cooter. It just seems like a cheap way to shoehorn in stuff. I'm fine with forerunners in general and even ancient humans, but stuff like, well forerunners, literally wrote some dna strands for humans to figure out AI in the year 2400 or whatever just feels gay. fuck I think I'm going full aspie right now.

>>48963815
I will agree that 343's 'contributions' to the story have been.... uninspiring.

>>48963666
Hail Satan! Hail Satan! Hail Satan!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mudZ3QykX10

>>48963815
See I read the forerunner books and the way I viewed the 'geas' from reading was actually genetically implanted ancient human minds and memories that would surface at certain points in a genetic lineage with knowledge or bursts of creative insight... but this implanted geas shit sounds stupid now that I've heard it.

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It could be viewed as everything post Halo 3 chronologically is a delirious dream Chief is somehow having in cryosleep

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What really kills it for me is the attitude. I had lost interest in Halo after 3 (despite what fans say, it is a rather limited universe), but even what passing investment I might have had was destroyed by seeing the Spartan IV's. If they're not emotionally involved, why should I be?

Before this, I had always imagined the Spartans to be quiet, tragic-but-badass supersoldiers who had given up all aspects of life to fight. Before a battle they would either be sitting in silence or offering words of encouragement to each other, but knowing that Spartans being deployed means that the worst had befallen them. There was no victory, only holding back the tide, hour by hour, minute by minute, until the end.

Instead we get
>"Okay! Who's buying drinks after the mission?"

>>48956904
Those force fields and armor are weaker than the shit stormtroopers get. Spartans can get killed by bursts of modern AR fire in the books and comics.

>>48956966
You know absolutely nothing about Halo or 40k.

>>48963091
>SPARTAN IVs
Yeah but 343 Halo is utter garbage and should be ignored.

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>>48963666
343 is shit.

Casual reminder that they killed off The Rookie in the books like a little bitch.

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Friendly reminder the Forerunner pre-flood would steamroll all of 40k within a month :^)

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>>48965333

>those dots are gas giants they moved to the capitol to be decoration

>>48965333
and the shitstorm brews.

ABANDON THREAD ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE

>>48965333
If we're talking about glory days, then we get to have the big Emps himself up and about with the Primarchs.

>>48965333

Yeah, probably.

>>48965354

When the forerunner have 3 million worlds to 1 million worlds and such a massive technology advantage, they wouldn't matter. What's the emperor going to do when one ship can make the solar system's sun go supernova?

>>48965354

Only DAOT humanity could even slow them down, the emperor is irrelevant here.

>>48965333
>all of 40k
Well everybody besides Chaos.

>>48965333
Friendly reminder the Forerunners would get btfo by primordial toe fungus within a millennia :^)

>>48965426

Flood is OP to a ridiculous degree tbf.

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>>48965417

>Defeat Necrons

>Reverse-engineer and improve on warp blocking pylons

>Set them up around the galaxy

>>48965443

>Imperator 19 feet

That's a big guy...

>>48965333
WITNESSED
Also, the flood are somewhere between Tyranids if they get written like that and Nurgle, so there are at least two forces that would eat them from the inside out.

>>48965462

...for you.

>>48965443
The Forerunners have no means to suddenly reverse engineer technology that is nothing like their own, and that wouldn't do anything considering that if the GEOM bites it the entire universe is lost. The only way to survive Chaos is to use the God Emperor as your shield- without him everything in the universe is doomed to be consumed by the Immaterium.

>>48965505

Good thing they can make dyson spheres.

>>48965505
>"O-oh yeah? w-well MY army has SUPER shields that protects my guys from da evil Chaos that will corrupt all of YOUR guys"

I swear to god, 40k was designed for those kids on the playground who powerplayed. "NUH UH, I HAD MY SHIELD UP!" "NUH UH, MY SWORD HAS SHIELD BREAKING POWERS!!1!"

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>>48958988
God damn dude, I did a full body cringe reading this. This is so masturbatory and it just boils down to *teleports behind you* "pssh....nothin' personnel....xenos...."

I like Halo, but Spartans are not Naruto characters man.

>>48958988
Imagine being this much of a manchild.

>>48965528


"“Capture the flag?” Dr. Halsey asked. “Past all that heavy armor?”
“Yes. The trainers in those exoskeletons can run at thirty-two KPH, lift two tons, and have a thirtymillimeter minigun mounted on self-targeting armatures—stun rounds, of course. They’re also equipped with the latest motion sensors and IR scopes. And needless to say, their armor is impervious to standard light weapons. It would take two or three platoons of conventional Marines to take that bunker.” Mendez spoke again in the microphone, and his voice echoed off the cavern walls: “Start the drill.” Sixty seconds ticked by. Nothing happened. One hundred twenty seconds. “Where are the Spartans?” Dr. Halsey asked. “They’re here,” Mendez replied. Dr. Halsey caught a glimpse of motion in the dark: a shadow against shadows, a familiar silhouette. “Kelly?” she whispered. The trainers turned and fired at the shadow, but it moved with almost supernatural quickness. Even the self-targeting systems couldn’t track it.
From above, a man free-rappelled down from the girders and gantries overhead. The newcomer landed behind one of the perimeter guards, quiet as a cat. He punched the guard’s armor twice, denting the heavy plates, then dropped low and swept the target’s legs out from under him. The guard sprawled on the ground. The Spartan attached his rappelling line to the trainer. A moment later the writhing guard shot upward, into the darkness. Two other guards turned to attack. The Spartan dodged, rolled, and melted into the shadows. Dr. Halsey realized the trainer’s exoskeleton wasn’t being pulled up—it was being used as a counterweight.

>>48965666


Two more Spartans, dangling from the other end of that rope, dropped unnoticed into the center of the bunker. Dr. Halsey immediately recognized one of them, although he was dressed entirely in black, save his open eye slits—Number 117. John. John landed, braced, and kicked one guard. The man landed in a heap . . . eight meters away. The other Spartan jumped off the bunker; he flipped end over end, evading the stun rounds that filled the air. He threw himself at the farthest guard and they skidded together into the shadows. The guard’s gun strobed once, and then it was dark again.
On top of the bunker, John was a blur of slashing motions. A second guard’s exosuit erupted in a fountain of hydraulic fluid and then collapsed under the armor’s weight. The last guard on the bunker turned to fire at John. Halsey gripped the edge of her chair. “He’s at point blank range! Even stun rounds can kill at that distance!” As the guard’s gun fired, John sidestepped. The stun rounds slashed through the air, a clean miss. John grabbed the weapon’s armature—twisted—and with a screech of stressed metal, wrenched it free of the exoskeleton. He fired directly into the man’s chest and sent him tumbling off the bunker. The remaining quartet of perimeter guards turned and sprayed the area with suppression fire. A heartbeat later, the lights went out. Mendez cursed and keyed the mike. “Backups. Hit the backup lights now!” A dozen amber floods flickered to life. Not a Spartan was in sight, but the nine trainers were either unconscious or lay immobile in inert battle armor.
The red flag was gone.

>>48965673
>>48965666
Advantage: Spartans.

>>48965698

That was without their armor too, which enhances their strength 4x.

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>>48955916
I wonder what the imperium would think of the flood?

>hey these xenos infected an entire hive world, PDFs and all
>so? Send the guardsmen in
>the guardsmen are dead and the xenos have Lasguns now
>so? Send the bolster bitches
>they dead bruh
>fucking helmetless morons, send the space marines
>.....
>how did they die?
>it can get through power armour
>what? WHAT THE FUCK
>oh and they warping now
>FUUUUUUUUUU

Meanwhile in the warp
>papa nergle not sure if likey
>I AM THE GRAVEMIND FOOL REALESE ME AT OUNCE
>papa nergle can help your bad attitude friend
>what are you doing? What the fuuushjyshnufsyegyhggse

>>48965797
Fucking autism the post

>>48955916
Why is it that we get this thread every couple of days, like clockwork? I mean, it was an interesting enough topic the first few times, but is there really anything more to be squeezed out of this matter? I don't mind, of course, you guys have fun, but I'd be really curious if I am just missing something.

>>48965517
And how is that going to save them from Chaos consuming everything and dumping it all into the warp? Those dyson spheres will be crawling in Daemons galore possessing the population/torturing them.

>>48965520
It's called any setting with Gods dipshit.

>>48965666
>>48965673
You keep posting shit like this thinking it's remotely impressive at all for Eldar. Spartans move in slow motion for Eldar, who are able to dodge supersonic/hypersonic projectiles mid flight and dance around them without ever getting hit.

>>48965354
Gonna need more than that.

We gonna need the Human DAoT Empires united under the Emperor, the Emperor not to go full fedora & retard, all of the primarchs to remain loyal, the 2 missing brothers to turn up, the DAoT humans to start getting a hyper-Imperium built and the STCs to not go nuts.

That plus a lasting and honest alliance with the Eldar Empire in its prime.

The only 40k factions that come close to "gas giants as pretty baubles for our mega structure" pre-flood Forerunners were the Old Ones and the Necrontyr in their golden ages and I'm not sure about the Necrontyr.

Depends on what the Adeptus Mechanicus thinks of the technology. Is it based on a lost portion of the STC? Then forcibly take the knowledge (if an inquisitor hasn't already contacted them and has the data ready for them) and then let the rest of the impirium take them into the fold

However AIs like cortana will likely get purged immediately, especially with the whole "rampancy" bit

>>48966005
> Eldar, who are able to dodge supersonic/hypersonic projectiles mid flight and dance around them without ever getting hit.
> Eldar regularly get killed by dudes with shotguns even in the lore

Honestly sounds like you have been eating up Eldar lies, citizen. The average Eldar is not Barry Allen, able to run up and punch 500 guardsmen in the time it takes the humans to fire a single round.

>>48966005
Just gonna point out that in the book Shadow of Intent there is a new character known as a Prelate. Said Prelate was fast enough to not only spot a burst of Hypersonic rounds mid-flight, but casually parried them with his melee weapon and then went about looking for the shooter.

Roughly five or so pages after he easily moved fast enough to block a burst of Hypersonic rounds, Half-Jaw proceeded to get in a melee fight with him and proved evenly matched, meaning he has comparable speeds.

Now bear in mind Rtas (Half-Jaw) doesn't represent the average Elite. A few pages prior to the Hypersonic feat the Prelate slaughtered four elites in melee with contemptuous ease. But most people consider Half-Jaw and the Arbiter to be some of the best Elites and are considered roughly equal to most Spartans.

>>48965528
>>48965591
>Try to jokingly write about two somethings I like meet up
>Put in shit like "kekingCegorach.jpeg" and "finger fucking my vertebrae"
>Get accused by either /tg/ autists or 40kids to be a Halo power wanker
>Despite the PAINFULLY obvious bullshittery I wrote down
I cannot imagine being this retarded. How do you people breathe?

>>48966699
Aren't SPARTAN-IIs already considered as equal to the average Elite? The only difference being the amount of wartime experience that SPARTAN-IIs have against an equal or superior foe.

>>48966713
They have headphones and a cassette player playing nothing but "breath in, breath out" and at the end an instruction to turn the cassette over.

They die if their handler doesn't change the batteries quickly enough.

>>48966736
Depends on the book. Elite feats range from hardly able to fight an S-III in melee combat to straight up seeming more skilled than S-II's in melee.

The common wisdom is that your average mook elites aren't comparable but more experienced or skilled ones are.

>>48966736
They're about equal in strength, but Spartans are faster. Brutes however have them beat in strength, but are even slower than Elites.

>>48966808
>They're about equal in strength, but Spartans are faster.
This also depends on the book. Hunters in the Dark had a subplot that dedicated several chapters in an Elite and a Spartan-IV (who we know are comparable to II's thanks to H5) basically having a dick-measuring contest. Said chapters consisted of the Elite being equally as strong, equally as agile, being more resistant to harsh weather conditions, and most notably being able to run faster.

>>48966005

Didn't a Eldar Falcon get taken down by someone throwing a stick into a vent?

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Surprised this pasta hasn't been posted yet considering everyone is comparing Spartans and Muhreens left and right.

>>48967013
Nobody is asking which is better or which would win in a fight. Virtually everyone here agrees Muhreens are better, just that Spartans are cheaper for comparable combat performance.

>>48965383
Be the most powerful psychic being in existence, probably reverse engineer their technology because humanity doesn't need to be "given" the right to inherit the galaxy, that has been humanity's right the moment it looked up at the stars

>>48967021
>just that Spartans are cheaper for comparable combat performance.

Which is a point of contention, given the whole 'Mjolnir armour costs as much as a Destroyer' thing.

But take the armour out of the equation and start churning out the fuckers like a production line, and you've got yourself some pretty snazzy troops that anyone would be happy to have.

>>48967097
>Which is a point of contention, given the whole 'Mjolnir armour costs as much as a Destroyer' thing.
Gen2 Mjolnir only costs as much as a Dropship due to tech advancements.

>>48967110
>Gen2 Mjolnir only costs as much as a Dropship due to tech advancements.

Now that's some fucking savings. At that price I'd be irresponsible to NOT get some Spartans.

>>48967110
Gen 2 armor is pretty shit though, as are Spartan IV's. Spartans in general are fairly weak as fuck now thanks to all the shit 343i has been churning out, from all the scenes of Halo 5 to the comics. Spartans and MJOLNIR armor is endangered by fucking assault rifles.

>>48967148
Books still paint Spartans in the same light as they've always been. And that whole "Halo Legendary crate" recently revealed that Spartan-IV Augs are actually pretty similar to S-II Augs.

>>48955916
The mechanicus comes barging in, verifies the presence of AI technolgy, then starts a purging campaign in which 90% of the world technology is destroyed along with the population. The remnants are stolen by the AdMech for "further studies" and the planet undergoes a process of standardization of its infrastructures, turning into another plain imperial world with nothing special about it. Whoever tries to protest gets executed or turned into a servitor. All Spartans are declared abominations and killed

Grimdark i know, but hey it's 40k

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>>48967254

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>top-tier Elites arguably have hypersonic reflex feats now
>they deflect fucking bullets and shit like Jedi but without the assistance of precog

It's no wonder why Zealot's are able to fight Spartans in melee. Aside from Kelly only Chief punching that missile out of the air can compete with that shit.

>>48967675

Yeah, sure, but he's right. It's like asking "what would happen if someone introduced x religion to 40k." Not emperor worship? Gets purged. New tech, has AI, not Admech sanctioned? Gets purged. Although possibly not before the AI involved gets corrupted by chaos, making the Purge of Reach an interesting campaign.

>>48962173
Not, one galaxy.

The only extant faction with inter galactic travel is the tyranids.

>>48962173
>dozens of galaxies
The tyranids have eaten a dozen galaxies, but that's a background event.

>>48961431
As a halo nerd whos moving into warhammer, just at a surface glance i feel like the tyranids are smarter than the flood

>>48963267
>The Imperium would be more at odds with "dumb" AI, which iirc are artificial.
Wouldn't they be smart-ish machine spirits, though?

>>48968558
Not really. They're constructs made to resemble and think like a human mind, which seems like a big no-no.

>>48966604
>The only 40k factions that come close to "gas giants as pretty baubles for our mega structure" pre-flood Forerunners were the Old Ones and the Necrontyr in their golden ages and I'm not sure about the Necrontyr.

This literally what the Eldar Empire was doing. They randomly moved stars and planets around to be more aesthetically pleasing.

Shit, Dark Eldar STILL do this sometimes. The last time Vect had a serious enemy he sent them a box with a black hole inside. The tech level of 40K's ancient empires is insane.

>>48968622
but they can't better themselves.
That's what techpriests get all paranoid about.
Abominable intelligence is not to be mistaken for the machine spirit that has parallels but basal differences - namely, no ability to enhance itself.

>>48969317
That makes sense then. Maybe they could all just get along in the end.

>>48956758
Spartans 2's are basically Space Marine tier, a vs thread between them would actually be interesting and close. Spartan 2's are much more mobile but Space Marines have redundant organs and are generally tankier.

>>48969380
>Spartans 2's are basically Space Marine tier
As a Halofag, that's absolutely not true at all. Spess Muhreens are just fucking bonkers.

>>48969416
Alright they lack some of the more batshit genetic modifications and their basic weapons aren't as destructive, but they're definitely some sort of bastardized middle ground between SoB's and Space Marines

>>48967930

>not emperor worship? Gets purged

Apart from all those religions that the Ecclesiarchy just takes into their fold and establishes a new hierarchy with the God-Emperor at the top of it somehow.

>>48955916
It's probably heresy, because messing with the status quo is heresy.

>>48970026
t. amalathian

>>48969416

And yet canonically can be killed one on one by unmodified human guardsmen with standard issue lasrifles. They can be crushed to death and instakilled by a Tau crises suit stepping on them in melee. Their armor doesn't even protect them from ork shootas that are built out of literal garbage.

Honestly, it feels like a solid 70% of the space marine enhancements that are supposed to make Space Marines badasses are really just placebos. Or maybe they actually are really good, but the admech doesn't have enough to go around so you get loads of "space marines" loaded up with "augments" that are really just old microchips from the discard bin with IOU written on them in binary.

>>48970415

Space Marines, and by extension much of 40k, are basically Trump Brand scifi. A three page description of how they are the best and most powerful things ever and nothing can touch them because of how obviously superior they are, followed by a 2 sentence scene of them in action and failing to live up to modern human with modern tech that they desperately hope you are too bedazzled to notice.

>>48965970
Different people in the thread id imagine.

This is the first time I've noticed this thread, and I'm here every day.

>>48967930
He's not necessarily right.

He's right that they would certainly try to purge them.

But they have non-warp hyperspace access, and they know all about the halo arrays.

I'm inclined to say there's a good chance that attempting to purge reach results in them pulling a forerunner and wiping out all life in the galaxy.

>>48968497
Tryanids would be smarter than the Flood...at the start of a Flood outbreak. See, the Flood is a hive mind like the Tryanids in that there are no individuals,everything from the lowly infection form to the biggest and most powerful combat form IS Flood. However, that's where the similarities between the hive minds end. You see, when the Flood infects something of sufficient intelligence, whether it's a corpse or living being, it gains all their memories and experiences. So, when a Flood infestation first starts, the Flood is basically a dumb animal, relying entirely on instinct(sorta, like when it infects a soldier it will know how to use his equipment, but it won't be sapient). Eventually, when the Flood hits critical mass on combat and infection forms, it will begin gathering corpes in an area, instead of just infecting them, through instinct. The Flood spores in the air around the bodies then begins to basically combine them. This is when the Gravemind forms, and the Flood reaches sapience. From this point on, the Flood only gets smarter with every individual, living or dead, infected. From here, it is only a short time until the Gravemind, therefore the Flood, is the single most intelligent being in the galaxy, possibly the universe. Because of this, the Flood is THE single most adaptable organism in Halo. Infact, I'd wager that the Flood is every bit as adaptable as the Tyranids, but in a completely different way. While the Tryanids are supremely adaptable on the physical level, the Flood are adaptable on the mental level. However, if the Flood and the Tyranids were to battle against eachother the Tyranids would win because they can consume anykind of biomass, while the Flood can only consume sapient biomass.

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>>48970415
>le the game mechanics are canon
No they aren't you fuckwit. Space Marines getting killed by a single dude with a spear and shit like that are total freak accidents that in no way apply statistically to even a fraction of the whole, you lying twat. Space Marines routinely accomplish all kinds of batshit tasks, like purging 500 Daemon Worlds (in the fucking warp), single-handily destroying Craftworlds, completely annihilating Orks, and even killing Tomb Worlds by just using chainswords and bolters.

>>48967178
https://youtu.be/cmFKDvUKbpQ

>>48971814
> >le the game mechanics are canon

Who said anything about game mechanics? I'm talking books.

Whether or not you think it "counts" doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Orks kill space marines with garbage all the time. A crises suit drops into melee on a team of White Scars during Shadowsuns book and the marines immediate eat face and die. Las rifles can, and do, punch through space marine armor and secure lethal kills.

Only a small amount of the lore presents Space Marines as 'literally invulnerable' tier. About the same amount of fluff that specifies that multilasers are the standard space marine weapon of choice, and just as canon.

>>48972143
You mean this?

>The battlesuit shrugged off the White Scars who sought to bring it down, trampling one. Its three-toed foot came down with a crunch on the unfortunate warrior’s head, bursting it like a dropped melon, helmet and all. A power glaive sizzled as it left a scar on the battlesuit’s hull. The battlesuit spun, backhanding the White Scar hard enough to flip him head over heels into the air. The tau swung around, the fusion blaster boiling the air as it fired. Thursk threw himself out of the path of the deadly weapon. He hit the ground and rolled to his feet. Axe in both hands, he launched himself at the xenos, charging towards it.

>The pilot of the battlesuit was quicker to react than his comrades. He stepped aside as he swatted Thursk in the back. The blow drove the latter headfirst into a strongpoint. Head pounding, the Dark Hunter tried to stand. His vision blurred. The air hummed as more battlesuits dropped down into the courtyard. The first three had been the tip. The rest were there to make sure it struck home. Thursk groped for his axe.

>‘Ambaghai, I need you ready,’ he croaked, pushing himself to his feet. The battlesuit that had struck him loomed over him, weapon glowing. It fired as he dove between its legs. Smoke and heat washed over him. His power armour felt as if it were responding sluggishly. Something in it might have been damaged.

>Or maybe it was him. He scrambled to his feet. The battlesuit grabbed his head in a grip that would have crushed his skull, had he not been wearing his helmet. It hefted him, and he pounded at its arm helplessly. The metal of his helm began to buckle, and metal cut into his scalp. His eye-lenses burst, peppering his face with photosensitive plastics. The world went red at the edges, and then dark.

-From ''Hunter's Snare''

>>48955916
le crossover reddit
why don't you cross over to reddit.

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>>48973038

>>48964569
>I had always imagined the Spartans to be quiet, tragic-but-badass supersoldiers
Fucking this.
I loved Spartans and the Halo universe in general because, unlike 99% of other stuff with super-soldiers/super-special units, the Spartans acted like Professionals. They didn't have to be loud, obnoxious braggarts who got away with it because they had brute forces; instead they quietly take the most efficient route to complete their objective, with their strength and abilities making their version of the "efficient route" impossible by most others. They've got brawn, but they're intelligent too, and always focused on completing the task at hand, no matter the odds.
Massive enemy army approaching? Okay; let's find the weak spot in their lines- there. We can take out their artillery support by flanking there, then run through those buildings to thin out the pursuit enough for us to thin them out, which will leave us at that supply cache were we can reload...
No bull-headed self-ego, just knowing exactly what they and their enemy is capable of, and using that to come out on top.

These Spartan-IV's are a pale imitation of the real thing.

Quick question for everybody who says rampant AI would be the sticking point for the empire: What's the difference between a rampant AI and a typical Cogboy? Behavior-wise, I mean.

>>48966836
Spartan-IVs are actually weaker than Spartan-IIs: An IV in the latest gen-2 armor is equal to a II in the Gen-1 armor that was in use during the war. In other words, IVs compete with IIs because of better technology, not better augments.
>>48971755
>Flood can only consume sapient biomass
The comic where Rtas lost his two mandibles showed the Covenant ship getting attacked by Flood-infected alien wildlife. Sapience isn't required, just a sufficiently developed nervous system.

>>48974338
The Flood just need biomass and calcium. Lots of calcium.

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Reminder that the rampancy issue is solved in Halo 5: Guardians, when the vast majority of AI join Cortana and betray humanity for the cure.

>>48974723
The UNSC would probably gladly join the Imperium for help with their AI problem.

>>48974723
>Cure
>implying that's not just a fragmented echo of Cortana fused with forerunner tech
>implying this Cortana-copy isn't rampant itself
I'm still mad. One of the nice things about Halo was that you could trust the AIs, even the rampant ones to an extent, because of one simple fact: they still subconsciously consider themselves human.
But nope, let's have an AI rebellion. Because that's not overused at all, and we need Cortana to come back as a villain because she's one of the only characters people still care about.

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>>48974957
>mfw they ruined Cortana
>mfw John and Buck are the only people in Halo I still care about
>mfw Buck wasn't even supposed to be in 5, he was thrown in as a last minute addition because the VA for the guy they were GOING to have couldn't make it, and Nathan Fillion could
>mfw they completely butchered Firefight when they had months to perfect it
>mfw I'm looking forward to Halo Wars 2 more than a mainline title, because it's a direct sequel to the first so they can't fuck everything up, right?

>>48974723
That's not really a cure. It's far closer to a Forerunner remake of Cortana.

>>48974338
True enough. The IVs aren't given augmentations upon puberty like the IIs are. They're either super promising upstarts or hardened vets given Spartan augments & armor. The surviving IIs & IIIs were given improved armor & overall are superior than the average IV in everything but numbers.

>>48974957
>>48975071
I seriously wanted the mainline Halo series end after 4 because they at least gave us an ending and didn't have a beloved main character pull a complete 180 in behavior for no goddamn reason.

>>48966736
I think Spartan IIs are slightly better but Elites are still supposed to be dangerous to fight in close combat

>>48955916
>Spartan IIs and IIIs.
What is a Spartan X?

>>48962889
>all you have done is make convenient guardsmen pulping machines.
this sounds EXACTLY like something the IoM would spend a lot of money on.

>>48973954
That's the point of them though.

The books hammer the point that Spartan 4's are the "good enough" force.

The Spartan II program is considered a failure because the sheer cost and length of time it took meant that it was completely pointless for the Covy war.

Spartan 4's are much cheaper, can use existing soldiers who are trained instead of kidnapping children, and are 90% of the way there.

>>48976871
Spartan IVs are the bargin bin super soldiers whose only advantage over earlier Spartans is numbers. They're like the guardsmen of Spartans.

>>48969380
Marines are definitely beefier than Spartans, but a fight between the two would definitely be an interesting watch.

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>>48973954
Yknow oddly enough i have always pictured Space Marines in 40k to have a similar purpose and outlook on life. I know that they really dont because of writers being what they are, BUT from the way they are trained to the lifestyle they live, the way they fight and everything else.

Also Halo should have ended after 3. Or at worst Reach. Im sorry but the plotline with the new AN ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENS! horseshit takes the plot into desperation mode. I would honestly bet on Halo 6 or 7 using timetravel as a plot devise at this point and that is fucking sad.

>>48960621
I'd say UNSC would have big chances at wining again IoM.

>Local sector command finds advanced human civilization.
>Sends fleet and guard to subdue it.
>IoM wins in orbit against local defenses.
>UNSC stales guardsmen on ground.
>UNSC task force arrives and wins by numbers.
>Imperial command reevaluates priorities.
>To much fronts, not enough forces.
>Orks, chaos, dark eldar, tau.
>Somme rebellious non overly aggressive humans looks not so bad.
>Decides to defend what it can.
>Sends request for more forces to segementum command.
>Request is probably lost.
If read:
>New crusade is decided.
>Crusade is scheduled in between crusade against Tau and Eldar, after stopping X Black Crusade and Tyranid threat, realistically never.
If in grimdark world someone can think once in millennia:
>Treaty proposal.
>UNSC version is titled "Mutual Self Defense Treaty", main provision is creation of shared task force.
>Imperial version is titled "Admission to Imperium Treaty" and task force is named IG X regiment tithe.


TL:DR, given state of IoM, UNSC could put enough of fight to be left alone, as there are more pressing threats and fight against UNSC becomes to expensive for too little gain.


UNSC ends independent and part of Imperium and not part of Imperium, no one gives a fuck as long as troops are recruited and no one worships chaos.
Humanitarian standards are no problem for IoM, it does not concern it, so Halo-humanity can keep their living standards.
Mechanicus could throw some fit but probably not to big as nothing in Halo tech is too much heretical. Excluding AI, but it is machine spirit and human cloned/transferred into machine so could be ok after some theological debate.
Jesus is confirmed as another local translation of God-Emperor.
Bonus points for God-Father that is totally God-Emperor.

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>>48977980
>I'd say UNSC would have big chances at wining again IoM.

Who typed this for you? You are obviously illiterate.
According to the Halo wiki, after the covenant war humanity had a population of 16 billion, down from 39 billion pre-war, and those losses would be disproportionately from the able-bodied recruitment-age segment of the population. 16bn is what, a mid-to-large size hive world in 40k?

I don't think anyone's even mentioned the fact that a lot of the UNSC's tech relies on AIs, which should be turning daemonic just from being in the same universe as 40k.

I'll correct your scenario for you:
>Local sector command finds advanced human civilization.
>Sends fleet and guard to subdue it.
>IoM wins in orbit against local defenses.
>UNSC stales guardsmen on ground.
>IoM virus-bombs the planet and recolonizes.
Of course it's stupid and doesn't make logistical sense. It's 40k!

>>48977056
That's what most don't get. The II & IIIs aren't made obsolete, the IVs are a mass produced model lacking as much individual punch as most IIs.

>>48976234
>no reason
It's barely Cortana, her pieces are collected & made into something else.

>>48955916
... Spartan 2's are basically just Karskin with better armor. They'd form them up into regiments, demand a tribute so high the genetic diversity of the planet would be devastated because too much of their population was leaving, bleed the planet dry of resources and leave them to languish as their society, culture, and infrastructure slowly falls apart. Standard operating procedure.

>>48956051
>Bring them into the fold, take their shit.
This. Spartans would make great Imperial Guard forces but at the end of the day they are still IG. Genetic modification isn't unknown outside of the astartes, it is simply that they are rarely mentioned because marines are outright better. Inquisitors and rogue traders might like taking in spartans as personal guards, but it doesn't mean the planet would be exempt from its tithes.

>>48960991
I really doubt that AP 7.62 would be AP 5. I would probably just make is AP 6. Actually with 30k you could probably make a semi-passable UNSC spartan army.
>Imperial Militia
>Cyber Augmentics
>Gene Modified Soldiers
Take some grenadiers, give them lascarbines, treat meltaguns like spartan lasers and you have what are pretty much spartans
WS:3....BS:4....S:4....T:3....W:1....I:4....A:1....Ld:7....Sv:4+/6++

Seems fairly close to halo spartans. Better protected than storm troopers but worse than marines, they are pretty shit in CC because they are meant to fight like normal soldiers but can still wreck Tau and IG man for man without issue, their main guns are roughly on par with lasguns but outrange them slightly giving them some flexibility. Leadership is low but whatever.

>>48961351
>I would put UNSC marines on the same level as Cadians
What? Cadians are raised from birth to be soldiers, they know literally nothing but war. Skill wise Cadians are simply far and above UNSC marines, I would simply say UNSC marines are on par with generic guardsmen, their equipment is roughly analogous but they lack the training, discipline, ruthlessness, or experience of regiments like the Cadians, Vostroyans, Kriegers, or Catachans.

>ODST with Scions
Once again this falls flat due to 40k's balls to the wall nature of doing things. ODST are like Elysians or Harakoni War Hawks, they might be above average compared to the IG but in terms of training and equipment they are well below the elite of the Imperial Guard.

>Spartans as buffed scouts.
I would say nerfed scouts with shields. Spartans don't seem to have the same survivability as astartes and lack the versatile organs like the Lyman's ear or Sus an membrane.

>>48980582
well, assuming that were still taking about halo earth, they still had the ODP network full of railguns that out shoot the imperium ships in one shot from way the fuck out, with every ship running a nova cannon. really, the AIs that run most of the UNSC stuff are the dumb variety, and not the actual thinking kind with personalities.

>>48977558
>I would honestly bet on Halo 6 or 7 using timetravel as a plot devise at this point and that is fucking sad.

Friendly reminder that First Strike already used time travel to basically retcon Blue Team and Red Team from being murdered horribly.

>>48983953
What? I thought they just travelled to a Forerunner shield world with Halsey through a slip space portal with Thomas (I think that's his name) dieing with a an hero ala Jorge to destroy the portal.

>>48965333
>implying the forerunners could beat the 'crons, nids, orks, and chaos.
This is the race who could only beat the flood, which is essentially the nids, by killing all sentient life.

>>48985321
>>48983953
Both of you are wrong. First Strike involved Chief's escape from Halo and return to Earth which took him to Reach. On Reach, he met up with the remaining Spartans that were defending Reach groundside as well as Dr. Halsey. In the lava tunnels under Reach, the group finds some sort of crystal that warps spacetime and bring it back into their CAPTURED COVENANT FLAGSHIP and fly around for a bit before the resident ODST blows it up with some plastic explosives because he was butthurt about the pilot that he had a crush on dying. Doing this severely warps shit for a minute and merges the timeline so that there are no discrepancies (and also implies that the crystal guided everyone to Halo in the first place). When they visit one of the surviving rebel bases, Halsey takes off for some coordinates that she found in an encrypted database on Reach that had some implied goings on with CPO Mendez (who trained the SPARTAN IIs), kidnapping the Spartan Kelly along the way. The rest meander their way to Earth which leads into Ghosts of Onyx.

(Continued next post)

>>48965443
>>defeat necrons
>implying the forerunners could actually beat the necrons.
This is the race that has finished science, has access to all powerful star gods who have complete mastery over the material plane, and who have already shown off their ability to make any star go supernova with the push of the button. And all that is just the stuff they have access to at the beginning of their reawakening, I.E. A fraction of their full power.

>>48985583
It's been a while since I've read Ghosts of Onyx, so this is a bit sketchy.

So after First Strike, the remaining SPARTAN IIs (sans Chief, who I think is on Delta Halo at this point) somehow get to the planet Onyx (which is where Halsey and Kelly went off to). When they get there, they meet up with the long-lost Spartan Kurt, who had been taken there along with Mendez to train SPARTAN IIIs. The Covenant start getting frisky over Onyx and Sentinels start to leak from Onyx, which makes things go south quickly. Halsey finds evidence that there's a portal to an extradimensional space inside of Onyx, so she, the Spartans, and Mendez all head over there, where Kurt nukes himself to shut the portal behind the others. This sort of strands everyone inside of the Shield World portion of Onyx until the UNSC can rescue them (which they do, eventually).

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>It's another "40k is genuinely op guys, i promise, there can't POSSIBLY be ANYTHING that could REMOTELY hold a candle to it" thread

>>48985731
Litteraly nobody said that.
Now, the claim was made that halo can't hold a candle to 40k, which is absolutely true if you're talking about just the stuff besides the forerunners, and still mostly true even if you include things like the forerunners.
Furthermore, while 40k is most definitely not the most powerful setting, it's definitely up there.

>>48986667
40k isn't even "up there'.

>>48985627
Compared to the Forerunners & Floodcursors, that's not really too much.

>>48985561
The Flood are beyond the Nids, they integrated plenty of technology & was backed up by the Precursors. It's more or less what if the Old Ones made the Tyranids as a last "Fuck you" to the Necrons & gave them all their technology & the ability to integrate Necron technology if they found some.

>>48987044
How do you define up there?
I doubt you could name 15 settings more powerful than 40k off the top of your head.

>>48987114
>The Flood are beyond the Nids
In what way? Nids are vastly better in terms of physical ability and evolution.
Outside of graveminds and that other even more powerful version who's name escapes me, the flood don't have too much going for them against the nids.

Hell, the flood failed to devour one galaxy. The nids have already wiped life out completely in multiple galaxies, something like 12 IIRC

>>48987279
One thing about 40k is that, aside from warp shenanigans, it's just one galaxy. Various settings have guys who can rather easily destroy galaxies. Some have time travel or some other hax. Most have a better faster than light method than Warp travel & even the Webway.

>>48987326
Technology. The Silenium Flood were controlled by the Precursors who created the Forerunners. It's more or less a cheat code or a player character controlling the situation. The purely organic Tyranid tech is nice but I haven't seen anything comparible to the Precursors.

The Flood don't really care for that & they actually achieved their goal. They managed to destroy two Forerunner-tier civilizations & managed to force the Forerunners to blow themselves up. Their plan was pretty much "Forerunners suck, get rid of them & have fun trolling them while doing so".

>>48987352
While 40k definitely doesn't have the best FTL by far, I'd firstly have to question the number of settings that, outside of magic and such, have the ability to destroy entire galaxies.
Moreover, the statement that 40k is limited to one galaxy outside of warp shenanigans is untrue. We know for a fact that 3 races are capable of extragalactic travel, the orks, necrons and nids, with the nids having a quite sophisticated FTL ability that has no reliance on the warp.

>>48987415
>Technology
Ok, what exact technology is so much more powerful than the nids?

>>48987496
DC, Marvel, Dragon Ball, some mecha anime like TTGL & Getter Robo, just to name a few.

Despite that, their activity outside aren't elaborated upon. The Tyranids have eaten galaxys yet we have no clue about the galaxys in question. The Orks just do whatever they want & I doubt they care.

>>48987586
>DC, Marvel, Dragon Ball, some mecha anime like TTGL & Getter Robo, just to name a few
So five. by my count that makes six including the culture setting, which is an obvious inclusion. Not exactly a massive pool of settings.

And even then as far as I'm aware, the first three require some form of magic or !magic or requires "god" beings to actually accomplish that goal, though correct me if I'm wrong and uninformed on that.

>>48987542
The Precursors are to the Old Ones in this case. They're basically the hax creator species of this setting but this time they got destroyed on purpose. They have this weird theory about all matter & life. The Flood are their remains deciding to troll.

One tech they have are these Star Roads. The Forerunners thought they were some weird artifact that was just there but then they were weaponized. They seem to be undestroyable by anything less than the Halos because the Flood had no reserves ramming them into planets for an easy Exterminatus. They were apparently over 500000 KM in diameter & generally fucked up Forerunner fleets for shits & giggles.

>>48987651
The Timelords have some serious time travel shit. I'm betting that comic Unicron can. Saint Saiya has some galaxy destroying shit. Even Sailor Moon has some.

Some are magic, some are technology so advanced that they're indistinguishable from magic.

>>48987710
>The Precursors are to the Old Ones in this case
I'm well aware who the precursors are. The only example of a tier 0 civ in halo terms.
But the issue is, unless the new books and such has drastically changed things, most of the precursors power is left very vauge. Even your post is still vauge. How exactly was it weaponized? What exactly does the weapon do?

And moreover, the fact that the flood don't really give a shit isn't something to be ignored. Morale, or something similar that we as humans can't understand because we aren't a hive mind race with a desire to destroy, is very important. If the nids are driven to consume all the flood, but the flood doesn't really care, then that's a huge point in the nids favor.

>>48987651
>And even then as far as I'm aware, the first three require some form of magic or !magic or requires "god" beings to actually accomplish that goal

Not really dude.

The Shi'ar Empire are intergalactic and their leader is Superman tier. They could solo 40K.

Anyway, lets have some other stuff. Xeelee Sequence stuff could casually fuck over 40K, Gunbuster/Diebuster could do it, shit, the human civilization in that animu about the future guy who gets transported back to Earth and it's covered in water could do it. Heroic Age could do it, the old Iscandarans from SBY could do it, Star Trek could do it...

40K is definitely not in the top 20 most OP settings.

>>48987766
>Some are magic, some are technology so advanced that they're indistinguishable from magic.
And that's the issue. Naming settings that have magic that can destroy galaxies while excluding the use of warp beings for 40k is limiting one side while not giving the same handicap to the other. If magic counts, then 40k is on the same level as any other setting with magic or something similar: basically anything is possible and rankings of power fly out the window, because magic allows for basically anything.
For instance, GEoM can litteraly destroy matter and souls. He did it to horus. That level of power is litteraly physics defying, and can be used to excuse basically anything with the simple phrase "the GEoM, with the aide of the other warp powers, focuses his powers and destroys the other setting in its entirety" because it's magic bitch, I ain't got to explain shit.

>>48987768
We don't really know but Bear's trilogy has granted them some feats. They're pretty much casually fucking the Forerunners for fun. Aside from what we can get from those books, we don't really have much. It's kinda like the 40k past & the Dark Ages, pre-Slaanesh Eldar, etc.

If a Gravemind decided "Hey, I wanna have bugs for dinner" then it would have some unified objective. They do have some sort hivemind leadership.

>>48987831
>The Shi'ar Empire are intergalactic and their leader is Superman tier. They could solo 40K
We excluding stuff like the C'tan or not?

>>48987839
We know that Chaos Gods can't simply destroy the galaxy, because they'd have done it if they could.

We know that the Emperor can't just destroy anything the galaxy he dislikes, otherwise there'd be no Great Crusade and no Primarchs.

>>48976871
they are the more ethical choice in terms of super soilders. and now that the UNSC and humanity at large is not facing off against extinction they actually have to do 'Ethics' in a tangible way again.

But yeah, the S-IV's combine the worst of space jocks and super humans.

>>48987839
We should note that not all of Magnus' warp experiences are reliable. I don't get how Kaldor Draigo wanders around the Warp while still sane.

It depends on what extent we've seen. Just "magic" alone isn't enough to make Harry Potter destroy a planet. Similarly, we have no 100% consistent definition of a soul for all of fiction.

>>48987904
I'm suddenly thinking of Ultrasmurfs.

>>48987904
It doesn't matter. Dudes like Gladiator will literally punch them to death. Captain Britain (I'm not shitting you here) is powerful enough at his zenith to fight and defeat things so powerful they make C'tan and Chaos Gods look trivial.

And these aren't even the 'god' beings like Galactus or the Phoenix, the latter of which has, in a state of diminished power, restarted universes on a whim.

There is nothing in 40K that holds a candle to Marvel or DC. The level of power creep in cape comics is absolutely ridiculous.

>>48987910
>We know that Chaos Gods can't simply destroy the galaxy, because they'd have done it if they could.
If they destroyed the galaxy, there wouldn't be any life to create Chaos.

>>48987910
>We know that Chaos Gods can't simply destroy the galaxy, because they'd have done it if they could.
That's actually the exact opposite of true. They have destroyed galaxies before (quite litteraly entire universes), and the only reason they don't destroy 40k is because they find the galaxy fun. If they weren't enjoying messing with mortals, the galaxy, and entire universe, would be dead
>We know that the Emperor can't just destroy anything the galaxy he dislikes, otherwise there'd be no Great Crusade and no Primarchs.
Which is why I said he does it with the aide of the other warp powers. If chaos decided to not mess with shit, that opens up a whole different world of possibilities.

>>48987980
>It doesn't matter. Dudes like Gladiator will literally punch them to death. Captain Britain (I'm not shitting you here) is powerful enough at his zenith to fight and defeat things so powerful they make C'tan and Chaos Gods look trivial.
You do know that the C'tan have complete control over the material plane, and that chaos can and has destroyed entire universes?

That said, I can definitely agree that comics have ridiculous powercreep, and outside of literal gods, 40k has absolutely no chance.

>>48988023
>can & has
Less warp dust Magnus. Shit like this are why you turned to Chaos.

>>48987993
>They have destroyed galaxies before (quite litteraly entire universes)

...in Fantasy.

In 40K, the Chaos Gods are just psychic parasites born out of the Warp reflections of sapient beings.

Some of them were actually created by mankind.

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>>48987990
Then how come they allow Archaon to destroy universes and realities in their name?

>>48988045
Fantasy chaos and 40k chaos are the same. The warp bridges the two settings. Hence why kaldor draigo showed up in the WHFB endtimes.

>>48988045
It's the same gods in both settings.

And even in 40K, Uriel sees a vision of Khorne destroying an alien galaxy.

>In 40K, the Chaos Gods are just psychic parasites born out of the Warp reflections of sapient beings.

The Chaos Gods in fantasy who are ancient when creation began had their origins from the minds of mankind. So no different.

>>48988058
Because chaos got bored with WHFB, and decided, fuck it, we end times now.
Chaos doesn't really make sense all the time.

>>48988042
>Less warp dust Magnus
You're not the boss of me.

>>48988070
There are references between the two settings. GW abandoned an actual concrete connection between the two a long time ago.

However, the Ruinous Powers are pretty different in both, and have different origins. Even the individual gods themselves have differences in terms of character, particularly Khorne.

40K canon is that the Chaos Gods are trying to destroy the material realm and they haven't been able to yet.

>>48988058
I see Khorne
I see Nurgle

Where is Tzeentch and Slaanesh?

>>48988094
>40K canon is that the Chaos Gods are trying to destroy the material realm and they haven't been able to yet.
Which indicates that they can destroy the material realm, meaning that they have the same ability as the WHFB in terms of setting destroying power.

>>48967013
That was an interesting read. Gonna save it, thanks.

>>48962978

I remember in one of these threads we had before, we compared Linda to an average Vindicaire assassin and while she's a good sniper, she's not as good as a Temple trained sniper...

>>48988104
>Where is Tzeentch
Hiding, just as planned

>and Slaanesh?
Squatted :^)

>>48988094
>There are references between the two settings. GW abandoned an actual concrete connection between the two a long time ago.

Not really. 40K and fantasy kept referencing each other even in recent sources.

>However, the Ruinous Powers are pretty different in both, and have different origins. Even the individual gods themselves have differences in terms of character, particularly Khorne.

Outside the fact that it has been said that the Chaos Gods were created by the dreams and emotions of Mankind, we don't know much about the origin of the Chaos God in fantasy.

And no, The Chaos Gods in both fantasy and 40K have the same character. Both 40K Khorne and WHFB Khorne as presented in their fluff are honourless monsters of absolute destruction.

>>48981641
>Spartans don't seem to have the same survivability as astartes and lack the versatile organs like the Lyman's ear or Sus an membrane.

Spartans in ground combat are actually really good.

Most of the Spartans died at reach, after being sent on a mission of desperation by the UNSC that left them far too vulnerable to the covie space advantage. Most of the Spartan IIs died because ships they were on were vaporized by plasma torpedos or they got stuck without means to evac from planets glassed from space.

Only a small fraction of Spartan IIs outright died to the covenant ground forces, and most of those were in the early stages of the war as a result of simply not knowing what the capabilities of their enemy were (like getting ganked by an invisible dude with a plasma sword).

But after that learning period it became increasingly rare for any of the spartans to die on a mission, until Reach when the Chief was the only one to survive because he was the only one to make it back from their absolute clusterfuck of a space mission.

>>48988110
I thought it would imply they want to but can't.

There's no point in invoking the Chaos Gods against stuff like Marvel or DC, because they have their own bigger, even more OP cosmic beings.

Like, there are actual omnipotent beings that have no limits. DC has Yahweh/Elaine Belloc, Lucifer, Death, etc. Marvel has TOAA, the Beyonder, God Doom...

>>48988135
Forget this one.

>40K canon is that the Chaos Gods are trying to destroy the material realm and they haven't been able to yet.

No, in 40K, the Chaos Gods have the same stance of focusing on the Great Game and seeing real space as a distraction.

>>48988135
>Not really. 40K and fantasy kept referencing each other even in recent sources.

And they're just references.

GW has said again and again that the two settings aren't connected. They were, back in the day, but are no longer. It's just a bunch of easter eggs essentially.

>>48988149
>I thought it would imply they want to but can't.
Nope. It means they can, but that other warp forces (GEoM, the remnants of the eldar gods, Gork and Mork or is it Mork and Gork? the hivemind, and stuff like the pylons) are preventing them, because it turns out most things don't want the universe to be destroyed.

>>48988176
>GW has said again and again that the two settings aren't connected.

No, they didn't.

In the ask me section of WD a year back, a guy sent a question about if the Old Ones in fantasy are the same Old Ones in 40K, the answer was it's better kept a mystery.

>>48988155
>Like, there are actual omnipotent beings that have no limits. DC has Yahweh/Elaine Belloc, Lucifer, Death, etc. Marvel has TOAA, the Beyonder, God Doom...
The issue with the chaos gods is we don't know their boundaries. However, when dealing with comics, it becomes pointless, because comics are stupidly OP, because that what happens when a setting keeps going on for as long and marvel and DC have.

>>48988219
Khorne chopped a planet in half with his sword.

>>48988237
A strong Bloodthirster might be able to do the same.

>>48987326
The word you are looking for is Keyminds, when a gravemind grows big enough to cover a planet.

>>48955916

The Imperium as a whole would never know.

Spartans involve genetic modification which is heresy and looks a LOT like Space Marine ripoffs.

More importantly, the armor (and integrated shield) is sophisticated technology far outpacing basic Imperium issue, so Mars would kill everyone, steal it all, and no one would ever know that SV3-2201 was ever a colony named Reach.

>>48971728
Massive scale orbital bombardment
The mechanicus can literally encircle an entire sub sector of space with fire. In space!

I don't think the halo thingy will be of much use

>>48961239
It makes sense, since S3 is the average strength of a lasgun or an autogun bullet, practically a regular gunshot of today, but also the strength of a guardsman with a knife.

S4 is the strength of a rapidfire missile launcher with giant .75 caliber missiles, or the strength of a giant supersoldier with a giant chainsaw.

>>48988366
The "Halo thingy", of which there are only seven, completely scoured the entire galaxy of all life above a certain level of development based on their nervous systems. The Mechanicus ain't got shit on the Forerunners.

>>48956904
I'd give them about the same level as kasikin

>>48960532
Two eldar charged a cohort of custodes and rampaged them. Got within spitting distance of the eternity gate none the less

>>48988542
It was a Death Jester and a Shadowseer. They killed dozen+ Custodes before being brought down and arrested.

>>48967013

Counterpoint: SPARTANS can walk up stairs.

>>48988561
>arrested
>xenos
>in the fucking palace no less

>>48988756

The Beast series has been a wild ride.

>>48988485
So it's useless then, unless they want to turn it into a homicide-suicide

>>48988896
No, because every race in halo was around when they fired 100,000 before the games take place. See, the Forerunners went around and collected samples of every species before the rings were fired. Thses samples consisted of D.N.A. samples, eggs, semen, and most importantly, live specimens, all held in stasis. So, the UNSC just needs to go to the catalogues, set the timer, fire the rings, and then...boom. One freashly cleansed and sterilized galaxy ripe for the taking. And before you say that Halo humanity can't use Forerunner tech, they specifically built it so that humanity could ascend to their previous Human-Forerunner war position once they were ready.

>>48989140
>100,000 years

>>48989140
God, halo has gotten so stupid.

On the one hand, these what-if scenarios can be interesting to talk about.
On the other, we all go into this knowing it would never happen based simply on the fact that the Imperium of Man, and every other faction in 40k, will always react to anything that could ever be interesting or beneficial to them by going full retard, wiping the slate clean, and rebuilding a generic copy of what they already have.

This is why 40k sucks at doing crossovers; the whole point of the setting is that everyone in charge is so stupid that anything good gets crushed under the weight of everything collapsing in on itself. It ensures the status quo endures by making everything that could affect the status quo get deemed heresy and bombed from orbit.

>>48989278
To be fair, this came up in Halo 3, and the premise actually makes sense with the information we had at the time: Forerunners believed themselves to hold the "Mantle of Responsibility," and thus held themselves responsible for all the different forms of life in the galaxy. They are faced with an enemy they cannot defeat, and will devour everything, and the only way to stop it is to kill off it's food, and essentially commit the greatest crime against the Mantle possible. The only way they could justify it to themselves was to save samples of all the life they'd been cataloguing and monitoring since before the Flood, set timers so that the universe would be repopulated once the flood had starved to death, and then hit the button to activate the Arrays.