What type of modern Olympian would be best suited for time travel

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>>48917248

One from a third world nation.

>>48917248
That swimmer that had bombs destroying the pool as they practiced in a war zone.

In reality, they would all get fucked up immediately. They have the mental ability to do it, but they are also used to eating hyper specialized diets and only are experts in a single useless field. Women might fare better if they marry into a monarchy for being a magic lady.

>>48917248

I imagine a decathalete.

'roided-up Russians

>>48917248
I'd argue an equestrian rider overall.

>>48917248
Any Chinese athlete. They've had a relatively homogeneous society for longer than anyone else, that means they wont look too foreign and may even be able to understand the language. Plus they'd be a foot taller and much stronger than the locals.

>>48917580
Only if they can bring their horse back in time with them. Medieval horses were tiny.

A white male.

>>48917633

>Homogeneous society

Nigger there almost sixty different ethnic groups spread all throughout China. Theo only homogenized areas are there giant hive cities where the government stiffs all of their millions of Han Chinese day laborers.

>>48917908
True but its still more homogeneous than say medieval France.

>>48917633
The Chinese are (or at least were) homogeneous in the same way the US is homogeneous, by which I mean its a big place with a lot of different groups who are only united by their core values and the fact that they all call themselves the same thing and who are constantly at each other's throats if there's no outside threat.

>>48918061
True but isnt that all you need to ward off foreign diseases and keep your language from changing too much, which are the main hurdles of being a time traveler, that and being burned as a witch.

>>48917654
They were definitely smaller on average, but I'm not so sure “tiny” is the appropriate word.

Take the fairly common modern Arabian for example.

They're usually around 1.4m, which is within the size range of the average horse of the middle ages (1.2m – 1.4m, warhorses apparently being around 1.4m – 1.6m).

>>48917287
Who is this?

>>48917248
Archery would be good to know, you can become hunter, maybe hunter's apprentice as you still need to learn your wilderness survival and navigaton skill and there is a good chance they will accept you as you already can shoot. It's a good trade to earn your living. Horse riding is a good choice too. Marathon runners could be messangers in areas where horses can't be used for some reason. Wight lifters and similar sports with heavy builds probably can apply to blacksmith's apprentice and such. Wrestlers and such can wrestle for money as a show or for bets, wrestling was popular among Mongolians, not sure whcih other nations had that tradition in medival times. For women it's more complicating than that as there would be more bias against them in terms of job offers and they pretty much can't apply to military, unless it's a band of bandits or something.

>>48917248
None, they eat too much.

>>48919707
>they eat too much

What about the gymnasts?
Bring one of those with you. She might become a plaything of the king if you play your cards right.

>>48917248
>Olympian
Zeus and Poseidon were dicks. Hades is a pretty cool guy.
I, however, was always particular to Gaia and the Titans myself. You know Prometheus, Kronos, Oranos, that sort of shit.
Hephaestus and Dionysius were complete bros, but they weren't that important, sadly.

>>48917248

Fencer.

>>48919746
Even one of those tiny loli gymnast will have a surprisingly voracious appetite due to the extreme amounts of exercise she gets.

Whereas a male one will eat like a regiment.

>>48919770
lel no. Sport fencing is pretty garbo when you can move left and right.

>>48919770
Sport fencing has nothing to do with "real" fencing.
It is all about throwing yourself into the enemy trying to score a cheap hit and shouting to the referee that the sword tip does not work.
Damn it, we spent more time learning how to do the bowing and the optimal post-combat hand shake than actually training.

One of the less fatass shotputters

would be a top warrior

if nothing else he can toss rocks like a giant

>>48917248
One that has good background knowledge of the Bessemer process, can describe the fundamentals behind a steam engine, and can tell people about railroads. Also, they need to be male since nobody gave a fuck about females back then.

Physical achievements would be trivial as fuck if you can bring even the most basic of industrial technological discoveries with you. Information is the real source of power.

>>48919209
Modern archery in that regard is pretty useless for hunting.
Standing still aiming at a still target with a bow that's of way better make from anything back then.
They probably wouldn't even know where to shoot.

Huh, Olympians can wear makeup now? I guess makeup has come a long way in not sweating off.

>>48917248
A male Olympic time jumper obviously, they are the best at moving through time and if you are in the middle ages you want to be a dude. Also preferably of the right ethnicity for the area....

>>48920207
No dumb ass, you cant just spring modern technology on people,
Medieval economies do not work like modern ones, having a valuable skill or piece of knowledge doesn't entitle you to a reward, if you have something the king wants, he'll have you killed and take it from you, if that thing happens to be a piece of information you'll be tortured then executed, just look at what happened whenever an alchemist claimed to have the ability to conjure gold.

That's if they'd even listen to you to begin with, you'd probably end up like Dr Lister.

>>48920673
>just look at what happened whenever an alchemist claimed to have the ability to conjure gold
Weren't they kept on retainer until the king lost patience? Just being able to produce should keep you on retainer a bit. You won't have freedom but you should get a roof and food.

>>48920673
It works fine. As long as you can find a patron.

Nobody's going to shit on the goose that lays the golden eggs. Although a rival might try and turn or kill you.

>>48920716
Some managed to produce a steady stream of fools gold, they did not fare much better, unless you count living in a dungeon till you go blind as an acceptable standard of living.

>>48917568
Really, the argument should have ended here; the decathlon requires the most balanced athletic skills. Assuming equal intellectual capacity of all candidates, a decathlete is the best choice. Equestrians or archers also aren't bad choices, those are useful or valuable skillsets.

>>48920774
I guess this is a when and were type of thing. I mean this is a large area for a thousand years. Have any sources on alchemists being left in dungeons until they go blind? I don't have any figures pointing that it wasn't the case, everyone I know about was the beginning of the Renaissance.

>>48917328
Possibly just an average person living in Rio, they would know their way around machetes and shovels.

>>48919885
This.
Fencing is meh compared to HEMA or other competitive MA groups

>>48919885
Moving left and right is largely useless in a one-on-one duel, because lateral movement is easily accounted for with small turns. The person can circle all the way around you, and you've basically just twisted on your heel a little.

>>48919932
This is what people who don't know anything about fencing believe.

I'll agree that sport fencing doesn't visually resemble "real" combat, but that's because the advancement in the sport has been so dramatic that it is literally too fast for most spectators. All the principle components of fencing still remain, but they've been refined into a sport that makes historical fencing more like play-acting than a physical competition.

It sounds like you did fencing for a year or two in something like a high school gym.

>>48921023
HEMA is like mall karate.

>>48917248
Depends on the country. In England, it would be an archer, because archery was the only legal sport for peasants and tournaments with cash prizes were common.
It doesn't matter how strong you are, if you aren't born in a village the peasants will ostracise you and blame you for (possibly imaginary) crimes, sending you off to the chopping block, so you can't farm.
And if a guild isn't backing you, you can't practice a trade.
You could try begging, but the guards would probably be suspicious of how well-fed you are and kill you as a spy.
You could try and make money at sport - but very few sports had cash prizes (archery being an exception) and most of them, e.g. jousting, melee fights, aren't practised today and are highly dangerous.
You could join the army, but knowing how to run or how to fence won't make you any less likely to get infected and die. And you aren't trained or equipped.
You don't even speak the old-fashioned dialect, and believe me, that will make it difficult to communicate. It's more than just 'thee' and 'thou'.
Your only chance is archery tournaments (if you're male, females can't compete because misogyny, so they'd have to whore themselves out.)

>>48921153
8/10 bait, it almost sounds like you believe this horseshit

>>48919829
>Even one of those tiny loli gymnast will have a surprisingly voracious appetite
out of context this can send someone to jail

>>48917248
>dat power and skill
I'd stat her

>>48921171
Prepare for tens of angry (you)s from neckbeards who think they're martial artists.

Its LARP trying to mimic MMA culture.

>>48921700
I'd let her stat me any day

>>48921248
I'm sorry, but the "sport fencing is nothing like REAL fencing" always just sounds like it comes from people trying to protect their ego after realizing they're just not any good at fencing.

They lack the physical attributes of speed and strength, they lack the mental attributes including the ability to anticipate their opponents as well as to make literally split-second complex decisions, and they lack the basic fortitude to actually develop a skill when faced with difficulties.

So, they try and excuse their weakness, and rationalize why they shouldn't even bother with trying to be good at fencing. They come up with the conclusion that it must be so far removed from any of the abilities that a "real" fencer would need, that training in an olympic sport is just a waste of time.

So, they go to a McDojo, and learn how to feel comfortable with their abilities, and feel content that even if they're not really that great at modern recreational fencing, at least they're "closer" to the real thing than sport fencers, without really appreciating how their basic introduction to fencing is barely scraping the bottom of the enormous fencing world.

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>>48917248
Any

Anyone really, anyone (including you who is reading, even if you weight like a ton) has it made if he gets teleported to some fantasy world, plot device and deus ex machina will save you.

So no need to worry, my man. Just have fun.

>>48921952
I'm sorry, but the "sport fencing is WAY more athletic than HEMA" always just sounds like it comes from people trying to protect their ego after realizing that a sport they took up because they thought sword fighting is cool has little to do with sword fighting.

Ever realize that in HEMA vs fencing discussions fencingfags go on and on about how much more athletic and attractive they are and how much more popular and successful their sport is?

And HEMAfags just want to lrn2swordfight?

>inb4 butthurt

I train neither I'm an MMAfag who does some traditional martial arts on the side.

>>48919932
>>48919885
Yeah but the core principles of movement, timing, footwork and anticipation make a sport fencer a good base to build actual combat capability off of and I'd bet on them every time against a person of similar fitness if both were given swords and told to gut each other.

>>48920673
>le grimdark 'you'd just be murdered' Medieval meme

Do you people just think humans were totally different creatures a hundred years ago?

>>48922273

>Ever realize that in HEMA vs fencing discussions fencingfags go on and on about how much more athletic and attractive they are and how much more popular and successful their sport is?

...is there really anything to be disputed here? I mean, we can argue about the attractiveness thing, but ultimately I have to agree that the general trend is that fencers are good looking.
And tall.
And rich, because fencing isn't really a cheap sport.

But that, and the whole thing about fencers being more cultured and more articulate and smarter, is besides the point.

>I train neither I'm an MMAfag who does some traditional martial arts on the side.

...so, you're one of those guys jealous of boxers AND fencers?

>>48922413

They were. Definitely.

>>48921153
Faced against a real sword, the majority of fencers would shit their pants.

You also neve learn how to fight against a different weapon, against someone who snatch your weapon, against someone who punch or kick you, well, someone who doesn't fight respecting the rules of fencing.

And, you have to shift your vision, because you have to hit certains targets, and not others. And a rapier is very different than a foil or epee. Even a saber won't be held the same way.

You're not good at sword fighting or even fighting. You're good at fencing.

It's exactly like karate black belt who thinks they can fight easy with a guy who fight on the street regularly.

Not to take sides in this argument, but I do have a pretty cool story to tell about my fencing class/club back in high school.

I took up fencing because my father made me do a sport in high school, and I'd be damned if I was going to join a team sport. So I enrolled in a fencing class at the local community college, and man was it a blast. My master was this old navy guy who was absolutely ancient, but he could still fence like a pro. He was that classic "no strength, all technique" elderly archetype, even to the point of only seldom partaking in a duel—and completely trouncing the young upstarts when he did.

There were two top fighters in our class that semester: one guy who was way in to fencing and just took the class every semester for fun and practice, and a woman who just moved from germany, and who'd been fencing her whole life (since before she could walk, we would joke).

The guy was a great fencer. Kind of scruffy and stern, and with this loose ponytail, I always very easily imagined him as a roguish renaissance duelist, frilly shirt and all. I only held my own against him because I'm thin, tall, and left-handed, meaning I had the advantage of a small target area, reach, and an unusual angle of attack. He'd still win, though. He got really competitive because he felt like he should be better than any of the students who were taking the class for the first time, but was still the absolute best sport about it.

The woman was this tall, broad-shouldered warrior with red hair. She might not have been much of a babe in reality, but man she hit a lot of bullet points for me back in high school. She was really polite and had good posture, so I kind of assigned her the Army Officer archetype. While the rest of us made do with just the jacket, mask, and one glove, she had a legit fencing outfit, and with it wore a molded plastic chestplate—like, straight-up white plastic boobplate I swear to god.

>>48922413
>1916
>Gassing people with shit that burns your lungs is kosher
>Genocide on unprecedensed scale in Africa is shrugged and treated as white men burden
>Women don't have any rights whatsoever and legislation of most European countries treats them like shit
>Average person is impoverished factory worker with barely any education
A LOT has changed in past 100 years, armarite

>>48922780

The cruel joke of it all is that things were still better then.

>>48917248
This is exactly how I like muscle girls

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>>48922873
Yeah, WWI was a BLAST

>>48922873
>Still better
>No antibiotics
>Barely any access to health care
>No access to education further than most basic one
>Mass communication doesn't exists
>Rudimentry hygiene
>Nobody even thinks about polution
>Mass transport is pretty much rail-exclusive
>Voting rights are in most cases still based on income
>Raging nationalism and imperialism
>Most of basic technologies that make life easier won't exist for another decade, most of them won't get cheap enough to buy for another fifty (washing machines, fridges and similar)
Please kill yourself with your delusions of "better"

>>48922685
I'm sure the two dueled plenty of times during the semester, but I think I only witnessed one between them towards the end. It was like a whole different ballgame than what I'd been doing. It was like they'd taken the strategy of fencing—parrying, reposting, feinting, etc.—and carried it through several layers of iteration such that sometimes you'd have to replay moments back in your mind to find out who'd tricked whom.

Halfway through, the guy paused, walked outside, puked, and walked back in and resumed. They were neck-and-neck the whole time, but I think the woman eventually won the winning touch. They were like two swirling, sweaty, flashing cats. Friggin' badass is what it was.

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>>48922893
Carlos, please, your pun is like the 30s - it's depressing and makes no cents.

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>>48922685
>thin, tall, and left-handed
Tis a deadly and bullshit combination.

>tfw when switching hands three months in because you discover you can totally get away with it and you'll only get better

>>48922684
>Faced against a real sword, the majority of fencers would shit their pants.

Why? Because you move at a speed that's basically slow motion to anyone who's even half decent at fencing?

>someone who doesn't fight respecting the rules of fencing

Those rules are put in place precisely to force the fencers to develop the various skills of swordsmanship. Things outsiders don't understand like right-of-way or the target zones are not there to make the sport easier, but to make it harder.
Removing those rules gives advantage to the fencer. It's like dropping them into easy mode.

As far as your whole "you don't even hold a rapier the same way", you've got a very weird understanding of the sport of fencing. It's sort of like olympic rowing, where most people assume that the rowers principally need strong arms, when the overwhelming majority of power actually comes from their legs.

For a fencer, footwork is the majority of the sport, at least from the physical side. The movement of the blade is a secondary concern, and worrying about something like the grip of a sword is a little silly, especially when there's variants for different personal tastes.

Most of your post is trying to come up with armchair historian ideas about why a fencer SHOULD lose, when raw athleticism and speed puts most fencers in a league that make all your concerns exceedingly bizarre, like you think a person who can track and predict a blade moving at speeds faster than anything short of a bullet or whip would have difficulty spotting someone trying a sweep at their feet.

I'm also actually amused at the idea of someone trying to punch and kick in a sword fight. Not that it's not something someone could try, but it's kind of cute that you think it would play a part, or that the fencer couldn't deliver quite a punch of their own.

I know you want to pretend that fencers are bad at sword fighting because it makes you feel better about yourself, but please. Let's not get silly.

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>>48923220
So, what you are saying is, you are not left-handed?

>>48923294
Pretty much, I'm a bit of a meme guy I'm forever GM and my fist and middle initials are G.M. my life's just funny.

>>48923375
Oh to have such curious and amusing tales!

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>>48923375
>my fist and middle initials are G.M.
?

>>48923436
Nothing truly awe-inspiring just a Series of Amusing events.

Best thing so for probably happened last week when a broke up with a girl, made her cry on public transport in the act, finished the date that was planed having her say "Sorry" and "Thank you" by the end of the day. It was her fucking birthday.

>>48923619
You piece of shit

>>48923278
>Why? Because you move at a speed that's basically slow motion to anyone who's even half decent at fencing?

Because you can be GUTTED, you dumbass. You didn't learn how to deal with a sword coming to your arm to chop it off. You never fought with a dude who want to actually fucking kill or maim you.

>The rest of your post

Delusional fencers who think he's good at sword fighting because he's good at fencing.
You don't even know how to handle a fucking sword, do you even know that if you don't align the blade well you can't even cut?

You assume that sword fighting is exactly like fencing, with nothing to back it up. How do you fight against a spear? How do you fight against an axe? Hell, how do you even fight against a longsword?

You don't become a good fighter because of raw atleticism, or any olympian athlets would be a good fighter. Same with track and predict a blade.

>I'm also actually amused at the idea of someone trying to punch and kick in a sword fight
You never, ever, went into a street fight. You're a karateka who thinks he can disarm a guy with a knife because he can do it at the dojo.

>>48923590
As in names Winston Leonard Churchill would have the initials WLC.

>>48923632
I know but it was that, the day she flew home or on the day of the most important exam of her life and those two felt less considerate.

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>>48923674
So you named your fist Winston? That's pretty patrician.

>>48923695
You better not have negatively affected her testing preparedness!

>>48923731
Is English not your first language or are we playing silly buggers right now?

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/initials

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>>48923791
Anon, I'm running out of ways to continue hamFISTing this word into things. Please, please notice your mistake soon.

>>48923786
Not thinking about me any less than she would be if we were together and it's not till the 8th of September.

I'm feeling much less bad about it in the last few days after continually looking at it logically little bit obsessed as it turned out. Got her into fencing bfore she left which is funny because statistically I think it's far more popular in her homeland than in the UK.

>>48923864
Whatever comes next is kind of blur, but you can remind him that fist can be a verb.

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>>48923864
Fuck I am so sorry. Holy shit I am dense.

Have a Vader a reparations.

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>>48923966
Thank you.

>>48917248
2 cm and she would get a medal... damn shame

>>48924023
really? shit. They all worked so hard. They should all get medals.

>>48924106

You sound like my mom, if she could she would give gold medals to everybody.

>>48924106
You'd make awesome kindergarden teach and probably a good parent. But you're terrible jury.

>>48924023
>"couple cm more and she would finish first"
Talking from the experience?

>>48924203
Not him, but in such situation 2 cm is a joke.

But nothing compares with shooting competions, where half of milimeter is a difference between gold medal and finishing as 17th

>>48922684

my hs had a kendo and fencing club. they hated eachother. I was a senior in kendo, had placed in state near the end of the year. The head of the fencing did as well. He and I got into it not two days later. As our clubs shared the same space, we headed over and sparred. first to 5 hits on the other, each of us could use our appropriate skills. After he scored the first hit on me, he ended up getting btfo 5 to 1.

>>48924223
Fucking #rekt mate.

>>48924223
Not first. Third.
Gold was 67.11 m
Bronze was 64.80 m
And she was 4th with 64.78 m

But sure, be an asshole, Mr Amrchair Specialist And Supreme Judge

>>48924257
That's a fun story but you know it doesn't prove or really indicate anything right?

>>48923664

>You never fought with a dude who want to actually fucking kill or maim you.

Have you?

I've fenced against fencing novices from HEMA backgrounds who did seem like they were trying to cut people's arms off, but the funny thing about that is that those kind of chops are really, really, really, really slow. The kind of thing that makes avoiding them feel almost like you're embarrassing your opponent by how easy it is.

>You don't even know how to handle a fucking sword, do you even know that if you don't align the blade well you can't even cut?

Oh, thanks for the hot tip. Here I was, using the flat of the blade this whole time.

>You assume that sword fighting is exactly like fencing, with nothing to back it up
No, I'm assuming there's considerable similarities. Keep in mind, I'm not just a fencer, but did my WMA tour a few years back.

>How do you fight against a spear?
Parry, Riposte?
>How do you fight against an axe?
Parry, Riposte?
> longsword?
Parry, Riposte?

Like, what? You want a full explanation of how a fencer is to fight against each of those weapons?

>You don't become a good fighter because of raw atleticism, or any olympian athlets would be a good fighter.

Do you have any evidence they're not?
And yes, people don't become good fighters just through raw athleticism, which is not just what fencers have. I almost feel sorry for you, because it sounds like you've never actually fought a decent fencer.

>You never, ever, went into a street fight.

Am I talking to a misplaced medieval knight or something? Are you trying to tell me you go out into the street after dark with a sword and fight the only other guy in the world stupid enough to be looking for sword street fights?

>>48924544
>Have you?
Yes. That's why I know you're ridiculous.
Same with karate and all combat sports, in a real fight you shit your pants because it's not a game. Even trained soldier shit their pants.
Guess what? Fencers are not better.

>I've fenced against fencing novices from HEMA
Wow, against novice! That sure means you're an expert swordsman!

>Oh, thanks for the hot tip. Here I was, using the flat of the blade this whole time.
You misunderstand alignement of the blade and hitting barely with the edge. That's why swords haven't round handle.

>No, I'm assuming there's considerable similarities. Keep in mind, I'm not just a fencer, but did my WMA tour a few years back.
And there is considerable differences. But you don't want to see them.

>Like, what? You want a full explanation of how a fencer is to fight against each of those weapons?
How do you fight well against a weapon you never fought against? Even on this thread people said that left handed fencers were harder to fight with. If you have an harder time with someone who doesn't use the same hand, try to imagine what it will happens if you fight against someone with a different weapon.

>I almost feel sorry for you, because it sounds like you've never actually fought a decent fencer.
Oh yeah, I get that you thinks fencing is awesome and so good and so great and I must understand nothing about it, you could totally 1v1 a trained soldier who killed people with his sword when you never ever went into a fight.

>Am I talking to a misplaced medieval knight or something?
No, to someone who had a rough time, and got into fight with brass knucles, knives and clubs. I'm not saying I'm a good fighter and could totally wreck your ass with one hand, I'm saying you don't understand what it is to fight when you're in real danger.

People always lose their shits, they make mistakes they don't do in training, they can't think straight, and when they get hurt they freak out.

>>48924977
>Real fight is so radically confused and different that there literally no point preparing in a structured way

Shit you're right, fire up the ovens boys looks like we have some books to burn.

>>48925053
Strawman: The post

You don't prepare to a fight when you learn fencing, you learn fencing.

Soldiers prepare to fight and have training on stress, unexpected situations, injuries, and so on. You don't.

You're a fencer. And that's great. Fencing is a nice sport, I never said otherwise. But that does not make you a fighter. You're not the equal of a soldier with your blade. Sorry to burst your bubble.

>>48925053
You know what's the difference between fencing and fighting?
In fight, you are going for a kill, not point. So the guy won't try to be finess about it, but will try to kill you. And epee/foil is absolutely dogshit awful when it comes to stopping someone dedicated to kill you with some other weapon.

>>48917248
None of them. Their life style and level of fitness would be totally unsustainable by a middle ages standard of living. Their metabolism would hit them whiplash them so hard it might well send them back to the future.

>>48924977
>No, to someone who had a rough time, and got into fight with brass knucles, knives and clubs

Wowee, way to impress me. You had an amateur fight with fellow amateurs, and apparently you're a weapons master now, ready to dispense your wisdom about how a sword fight is like a brawl between punks.

You sound an awful lot like my idiot older brother, who had his fun as a drug drealer and getting into stupid brawls with other idiots while wielding a baseball bat. But, that's all they were, and I've never lost a fight against him, which may very well have been with him trying to maim me.

I also don't think you realize that fencing isn't quite as soft a sport as you imagine it to be. People are out for blood. Even with the layers upon layers of added safety measures each year, people get seriously hurt and occasionally even die in the sport. Just because someone is wielding a blunt weapon doesn't mean they're attacking you half-assed. If anything, knowing they're less likely to hurt you encourages them just to hit you harder.

I'm not saying it's the equivalent to a life or death duel, but the key is that you're not playing patty cake but fighting against someone who, with a weapon rather than a piece of sporting equipment in hand, is hitting in a manner that would kill and maim you.

I'd say that compares more favorably to how a trained soldier would fight, as opposed to some kids playing as thugs on the street.

>Oh yeah, I get that you thinks fencing is awesome and so good and so great and I must understand nothing about it, you could totally 1v1 a trained soldier who killed people with his sword when you never ever went into a fight.

Like I said, you really sound like someone who just doesn't know anything about fencing. I'm glad you managed to walk away from your "MY LIFE WAS IN DANGER" fights with an ego out of it, but that's not a license for you to act like a person trained in fencing is about as good in a fight as a trained librarian.

>>48925193

>epee/foil is absolutely dogshit awful when it comes to stopping someone dedicated to kill you with some other weapon.

The sport weapons with blunt tips don't stop people well? I for one am shocked. I tell you what though, you let the fencer use a smallsword, you come in with any of those brass knucles [sic], knives, or clubs you've practiced with as much as an Olympian has practiced. Hell, bring them all.

>>48917248
a male with the right last name in the right area

>>48925330
>You sound like my idiot brother, and I never lost a fight against him!
>Fencing is dangerous I swear!

Oh yeah totally, fencing is more dangerous and stress inducing than a guy trying to stab you with a knife. Truth be told, It would make me way more afraid to be attacked by a foil than with a bowie knife.

You are ridiculous. You ARE playing patty cake. You are not fighting to protect your integrity, you are fighting for sport.
Your experience of dangerous fighting is some druggie punk and your fucking brother.

Would you be impressed if I told you I was a better fencer than "my idiot brothers and his druggie friends who can barely hold a sword"
No, but still, you think it's a good experience.

You sound like karate black belt who think they can disarm someone with a knife in the street.

>>48925330
> but that's not a license for you to act like a person trained in fencing is about as good in a fight as a trained librarian.
Because you have a licence to act like a person trained in fencing is about as good ina fight as a trained soldier?

>>48919757
Kek

>>48924977
>If you have an harder time with someone who doesn't use the same hand, try to imagine what it will happens if you fight against someone with a different weapon.

The fact that people can recognize that difference shows just how much they know about fighting, not how little.

It's fucking bizarre. It's like you live in a world where a people have a finite amount of knowledge they might have, and that anything they learn makes them dumber in every other aspect.

That would explain a lot about you. What, did you read the cereal box this morning, and forget about common sense?

>>48925508
>It's fucking bizarre
Yeah, you're right, it is.
You are willing to acknowledge that using a different hand than your opponent make the fight harder, but not using a different weapon. You're also forgetting that you won't even find a foil or an epee in the middle age and you will have to use a different kind of sword.

Suddenly, all these differences are casted aside, like it won't make the fight harder at all. But still, you keep acknowledging that fighting with a different hand make the fight harder.

How do you do it? Did your idiot brother hit you in the head when you were little?

>>48925473
>Because you have a licence to act like a person trained in fencing is about as good in a fight as a trained soldier?
Literality no one has said this but you.

There has been statements to the effect of believing that someone who has done sport fencing has a better chance in real sword fight than someone who hasn't. No one has said the ridiculous as shit calms except the people arguing against the original point.

>>48925632
>What type of modern Olympian would be best suited for time travel to the middle ages?
>Fencer.

I assumed you are this poster. Perhaps wrongly.
If you are, then you are indeed assuming than a trained fencer is a good soldier. Because a guard has to be a good soldier, a soldier, of course, has to be a good soldier, and a mercenary has to be a good soldier. Every work when you have to use your sword require you to be a good soldier.

So, why fencer if you say that doesn't make you a good soldier then?

>>48925595
A change of hand makes the sport more challenging because they're playing the same game as you and you see their sort of 'meta' if you like less often. Lefties hate fencing lefties because they don't see them as much and by then they're doing the same thing as rightie on rightie.

The point is and has always been that the core skills developed in sport fencing is a better base for swordsmanship than nothing at all what is so offensive about this?

>>48925698
>The point is and has always been that the core skills developed in sport fencing is a better base for swordsmanship than nothing at all what is so offensive about this?

Nothing!
I actually agree with this point.
But it was not the point I was arguing against.

I was arguing about the starter of the conversation, that an olympic fencer would be well in the middle age. And that yes, sport fencing is nothing like "real" fencing.

You can build on sport fencing, but it won't make you a great swordsman. It will just make you a beginner with lots of assumptions and some skills.

>>48925437
What drugs are you on?

Read the post again.
Let me highlight some lines for you.

>I'm not saying it's the equivalent to a life or death duel, but the key is that you're not playing patty cake but fighting against someone who, with a weapon rather than a piece of sporting equipment in hand, is hitting in a manner that would kill and maim you.

Let that sink in. Don't. Whatever you were about to say or think, stop, and reread that line.

We're talking about what makes a good fighter, right? Now, don't give me more of your off-topic bullshit about how you're a great fighter because you went around, trying to hit people in the back of the head with a rolling pin.

We're talking about how you think that fencing has zero relation to fighting, like if you and your "real" fighting experience was put up against an olympic fencer armed with a sharpened sword, you'd win each time. Hell, even with a blunt sword the olympic fencer would rip you apart before you even had a chance to regret how stupid you are.

It's not a game. Millions of dollars are on the line, country reputations and lifelong dreams are behind every attack. People are literally devoting their entire lives to the sport, a sport with so much pressure that the idea of just worrying about your own life actually pales in comparison.

But, really, you could say that about any olympic sport. But, this sport in particular is a refined evolution of sword fighting, carefully engineered to test the physical and mental limits of its combatants while also trying to do their best to ensure that the violence doesn't actually lead to more than a few crippling injuries every year.

Fencers train in all the key components of dueling, and the level of competition is so fierce that it is impossible to find any other sword competition that comes even remotely close.

Do you know what's funny? As HEMA has evolved, and the level of competition increased, it has slowly grown more and more similar to fencing.

>>48925667
Well for one that's not me, you donger. A one word throw away reply doesn't really state everything you've taken from it either.

And while we're on the matter and don't even think fencer is a bad choice but for other reasons, they're not generally on crazy body warping diets, that almost all have a university education (a proper one not a scholarship) and as I've said they've probably got the core skills needed to learn how to take care of themselves in a tussle with sharp things. Really not a bad choice.

>>48925595
>You are willing to acknowledge that using a different hand than your opponent make the fight harder, but not using a different weapon

Who cares?

>You're also forgetting that you won't even find a foil or an epee in the middle age and you will have to use a different kind of sword.

Once, again, who cares?

Yes, those differences are cast aside, because at the end of the day, we're not trying to prove that a fencer would beat everyone ever in every single weapon.

We're talking about how fencing is good training.

Like shit, you might genuinely be retarded.

>>48925667
So, what type of modern olympian would be best suited?

Oh, maybe the guy who's got something that resembles the weapons they wielded? Maybe not the best, but certainly better than sending the Ping Pong and Badminton crew.

>>48925807
>We're talking about how you think that fencing has zero relation to fighting, like if you and your "real" fighting experience was put up against an olympic fencer armed with a sharpened sword, you'd win each time

Yeah, completely disregard what I said before
> I'm not saying I'm a good fighter and could totally wreck your ass with one hand, I'm saying you don't understand what it is to fight when you're in real danger.

And then you go on about how "it's not a game, it's serious business"
Yeah, nice, it's serious business. Being stabbed in the gut is serious business too, and will freak you out big time if you never were in this situation.

>>48925862
>We're talking about how fencing is good training.
I never was. And when you say shit like
>Why? Because you move at a speed that's basically slow motion to anyone who's even half decent at fencing?

You're not either.

You can try to shift the conversation all you want, I'm not buying it.

>>48921215
Clearly your strange clothes and speech combined with you amazing health especially for your age, and grasp of mathematics and such showing an educated back ground, would be enough to pass off your existence as a noble from an unknown country.

Which is a whole 'nother game. Quite frankly if you could show that it's conceivable you could convince another noble house to take you in, possibly even finance a trip to where you came from. At the least you could find refuge in the church and create a decent life there.

Remember, nobles were seen as inherently better than peasants regardless of where they came from. Back then, being a noble from the darkest parts of Africa was still better than being Joe McDirtseed.

>>48925807
Not the guy you have been arguing with but I'll poke in.

Many hema instructors aren't ashamed to say they copy modern sport fencing when teaching because there are many aspects being taught that are just great even when teaching other types of weapons and ofc competitions and so on will turn a bit more sporty but hema people generally try to stop it from turning into electric tag which is what modern sports fencing has turned into.

Also hema clubs that teach small sword fencing are closer to the origins of modern sport fencing than the actual sport is today.

>>48925916
>You're not either.

I don't just fence. In fact, I actually favor the longsword these days, because I find the WMA scene much more casual and relaxing then fencing saber.

It's a completely different level of speed. Even with other weapons, like the rapier, it's just nowhere near the same dimension. No matter how fast someone tries to be, how riled up or desperate, they just can't move fast enough. Compared to the finesse and lighting quickness of saber bouts, it's not an exaggeration to say going from fighting a fencer to fighting someone from another weapon discipline is like seeing the world transition into slow motion.

I understand that you won't understand this, because you've never experienced it. It might even be to the point where you couldn't understand the distinction if you did experience it.

It's like when people see fencing on television, and just sort of see two people run at each other before hitting each other. And then, only in the slow motion replay do they get a chance to see the insane speed that they're operating at, and sometimes their moves are even too fast for the slow motion replay to really convey everything that just happened.

>>48926417
Good thing speed isn't everything then

>>48923966
>I find your lack of honor disturboru

>>48926417
Smallswords are so stupidly light

>>48926158
>but hema people generally try to stop it from turning into electric tag which is what modern sports fencing has turned into.

They will try, but as the level of competition increases, they're going to be faced with the same considerations that the fencing organizations of the past were faced with.

Ultimately, they're going to either give up and accept more and more of the fencing model, or they will have to grow content with the idea that there is a ceiling to HEMA.

Like, Fencing was never intended to become "electric tag." It began long before anyone even conceived of the idea of electric scoring. But, as the level of skill and technique grew, and more dedicated athletes kept pushing the boundaries of the sport, and the endless safety concerns struggled to keep up as the raw physicality of the sport made old equipment obsolete, options were weighed and decisions were made, with the core emphasis being that reflecting history was less important than pursuing the utmost in speed, power, and technique.

In some ways, it's a shame, because it doesn't resemble what we imagine sword fighting to be like, but in other ways, it really is the future of sword fighting.
Like, if Star Wars made any sense, you'd probably see more Jedi using their lightsabers like fencers.

>>48926655
When wielding a blade, it's pretty important.

>good thing

For who? Your ego? You're going to hold onto that little nugget of comfort that there's a chance you can do something against someone who's been training in virtually an alternate dimension of speed?

What are you gonna do? Charge him and hope you can survive getting impaled?

>>48926812
Sure sport fencing wasn't meant to be electric tag but rather a way to learn fencing for war and it being a sophisticated sport but it actually quickly devolved into ink tag because duels in france were blood tag (first blood wins and the injuries were rarely bad) .

Fencing outfits are white so ink spots would be easier to see.

>>48926417
Done some light weapons fighting. Done some heavy weapons fighting. Done some martial arts fighting. Done some wrestling. Done some street fighting. Did a mixture of all. Even was about to kill a motherfucker with a razor blade a few moments before he was going to rape a girl before I talked him through his drunken haze and got him to back off. Been the drunk motherfucker choking a friend and had to be talked down.

Have to say the time I moved fastest was when a roofing strut was falling from a construction crane and I was the spotter on the ground almost underneath it. Strut fell about 20 feet. I cleared 10 yards of crowded construction site before it hit the ground as I saw it shift on the hook.

I think your opinion is bullshit. Fencing is nowhere near the speed of feeling you ass on the line. Every time I have moved anywhere near that fast, fear or rage kicked the adrenaline into overdrive. You will not get that from a foil. You will not get the skills needed to move like that from a foil. Though you will get great hand eye coordination and a really great cardio workout.

Boxer makes far more sense then a fencer, only because a boxer is used to the idea of facing real pain and going through it and still fighting. Medieval style fighting is not fast. At least not anything in armor. Battles took hours. Hours of screaming fucking hate and terror that a fencer would not have the ability to withstand and fight through.

You want the renaissance. During that time a fencer's skills would rein supreme over a boxer or most slower style fighting styles.

So wrong era dipshit.

>>48926879
Wasn't the guy you were arguing with before.

>who's been training in virtually an alternate dimension of speed?
Because you use very light swords.
You can't do that with a heavier sword, so yeah, it's useless.
You have good perception, sure. But you're not Flash, you can't move faster than anyone else just because you did fencing.

>>48926879
I merely stated that speed isn't everything (it is pretty important) don't get your panties in a bunch because you think everyone is the same guy you've been arguing with for the last hours

>>48926960
>quickly devolved

You mean evolved. Not getting cut every time you fenced is a bonus, and with less fencers getting killed and injured, the techniques and skills of the sport improved dramatically because the improved longevity of the practitioners allowed further experience to accumulate.

It's really an amazing sport that is quite intent on pushing the human limit, which is why it's not a shock that many people find it daunting to the point where they hope to dismiss it as a novelty or to disfavorably compare it to other weapon disciplines.

>>48926812
>In some ways, it's a shame, because it doesn't resemble what we imagine sword fighting to be like, but in other ways, it really is the future of sword fighting.

Oh not this shit again, every fucking fencer is persuaded that fencing is the evolution of sword fighting and everything before is "obsolete" or some shit.

That's not how fighting works, dipshit. There is no "true evolution", it's not fucking pokemon

>>48925437
Interestingly enough, my mountain-hick karate club did a lot of training with knife disarming.

Way too fucking easy to get stabbed. End of every day, "Remember, just run if you can."

>>48927104
Devolved.

Hitting slightly on the wrist with the tip of your sword isn't gonna do a lot. Cutting deep into it is better. Sword fight is about lethality, not tag.

>>48918402
Elle Van Günßlinger

>>48927092
Devolved as in devolved as an martial art but evolved as a sport

>>48927016
>done some shit
That's cool. At what level? McDojo?
I've also done my rounds, but I think the difference between you and me is that you went into them for all the wrong reasons.
Also, telling me you're a pscyopath doesn't really help anything.

Also, are you going to tell me that HEMA schools train their students in how to be psycopaths by making them murder each other?

Above all else, you really need to stop talking about things you don't know about (primarily fencing), or pretending that your experiences are unique. I too have had my life on the line, many, many times, and am no stranger to adrenaline or fear. Hell, anyone who's been stupid and young has had to have nearly died at least ten times.

But, what you are stupidly doing is pretending that just because someone knows fencing, that means they can't know anything else. That they can't have faced "real" pain, and that fighting like a punk and generally being an idiot is the best way to learn.

>Fencing is nowhere near the speed of feeling you ass on the line.
It's faster. We're talking about not pure, guttural, reactions. We're talking about calculations. Considerations. Plans made and executed in the span of hearbeats. I am more and more convinced that all you really need to change your opinion is to actually try fencing, instead of relying on preconceptions built around your flawed perceptions.

And yes, the renaissance would be probably be a good time to be a fencer, thought I'll admit there's still a large gap between being a fencer and murdering psycopath. But, you're still trying to pretend like athletes who've been trained in fencing wouldn't also do quite well in medieval times, when we're still talking about exceptional athletes trained in one of the fastest modern sports.

>>48917248
>Polish
>Throws a pole

It's poetry.

>>48927104
Look, I was just talking about using lightsabers. No need to get your panties scrunched.

Tell me that when we figure out how to make light sabers in the future-past that fencing wouldn't be a good match for them.

>>48921952
Olympic fencing shares many of the same fundamentals as historical fencing. And most people who have a background in Olympic fencing are pretty good at historical fencing.

But at the same time, the equipment used is very far from behaving like real historical swords, and the rules they use make it far removed from anything histoical or anything like a fight. When you can throw yourself into a forward dive and land on your opponents foil but get the point because your foil hit him a few milliseconds sooner, it removes the activity from being much of a martial art.

Fencing is a fine sport that has roots in historical sword fighting systems, but has become sportives and far removed and is now little more than a game. And it's fine for what it is, and it gives a great foundation if you want to learn historical fencing.

But the idea that modern Olympic fencing is some kind of super evolved martial art is absurd. Drop a modern Olympic fencer into the 14th century and he's gonna get his shit kicked in.

>>48927600
> When you can throw yourself into a forward dive and land on your opponents foil but get the point because your foil hit him a few milliseconds sooner, it removes the activity from being much of a martial art.

That's not really how it works.
At all.

I really wish that people who opinioned on fencing actually took the effort to understand it, and why it has the rules it does.
Rules like Right-of-Way actually evolved to make fencing more like its bloody forefathers, to create a fascimile of fear in a deathless sport. And, in practice, it does serve to reduce attacking in a suicidal fashion, rather than encouraging it. Without that rule, people would simply accept attacks and give retaliatory strikes in response, the exact thing you're complaining about.

Historical Fencing is competitively limited because it has not yet come to terms with the fact that no, no one is going to die. When provided with the choice between the technique that would kill someone, and the better/faster technique that would satisfy the rules systems of the competition, the winner will be always the latter.

There are sports like Kendo that take great pains to try and ensure that the hits must be of a certain degree of force and performed with a specific motion, and the intention of attack must be announced, and it's that sort of thing that has made Kendo almost more of a ritual than a sport.

Regardless of how its done, there is a gulf between killing people, and modern sword competitions. While historical fencing is interesting for the historical aspects, there's nothing about HEMA that says learning it would make you a better warrior than a Fencer or Kendo Practitioner, and with the level of competition significantly lower, it's arguably worse.

>>48921769
Do you think being an anti-intellectual dick who knows nothing about either history or martial arts makes you smart?

>>48919770
>makes 2 meter lunge
>pokes opponent slightly
>dies from sword to the head half second later

The amount of HEMA autism in this thread is too damn high
In fact, the amount of autism in general in this thread is beyond critical level

>>48918147
Modern Mandarin and Simplified Chinese are way, way different from pre-modern Chinese languages, and that's not even counting the periods of Manchu or Mongol domination. A Chinese person educated in traditional writing and speaking a southern dialect (like someone from Taiwan) would have a slightly better chance, but not by much.

Most Chinese dialects are barely mutually intelligible and only share a common writing system (which was itself simplified by the Communist Chinese in the late twentieth century).

>>48927541
>I disagree with you so I'll say you have a McDojo level and I have a Olympian level okay?
>He never talked about HEMA but I'll bring it anyway
>I'll bring a completely unrelated point about "not only doing fencing" when we're talking about only doing fencing
>My only fight were in highschool with "punk" so everyone has the same experience
>I'TS FASTER

Yeah we get it, you love fencing so much you think of that everyday, you smell your own farts and you could even beat everyone with a foil

>>48917248
Zeus

I'm going to say Usain Bolt.

What are they going to do to him? He'd be the goddamn gingerbread man.

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>>48917248
Pentathlete.
More or less just curaissier training.

>>48924263
It was a dick joke, anon

>>48917248
Depends on what they're to do there, but I'd have to say a strapping athlete like a rower or something.

>>48931892
I like it.


As for everyone else in the thread: What the fuck guys?

Different people act different ways in fights. Not everyone shits themselves and freezes up. Also, once you have a few real fights under your belt you're calmer and that's when training in any kind of martial art will help, when you're calmer in a fight you have the opportunity to do the thinky thinky parts.


Also: Fencer's thinking the thrusting sword beats every weapon...

Ya'll motherfuckers straight lying if you think a piece of steel wire fairs well against a polearm or a spear.

>>48921215
>find a stone
>hit your head with it
>go to the nearest church/temple/whatever say you fell down and cannot remember who you are
>profit

Considering ancient athletes were a lot better in what they did (actually, even athletes from the early 1900s are superior in most cases), they'd probably be a laughing stock.

>>48925971
>American education
Amazing health? Are you kidding? Medieval children could fuck a modern man up no problem.

>>48932426
[citation needed]

>>48917248
None, they would die within a week because they lack all the doping.

>>48931340
>Modern Mandarin and Simplified Chinese are way, way different from pre-modern Chinese languages, and that's not even counting the periods of Manchu or Mongol domination
Simplified isn't really much of a problem- if you're reasonably educated you can guess most characters that have changed from the traditional forms (many of them haven't), and you quickly get used to them.

Actually reading classical Chinese is harder because of the grammar and vocabulary, not the specific characters, though again people who know modern Chinese can often do pretty well, and will have learnt some classical in school anyway. Plus it wasn't all classical- there was vernacular writing too. That's changed as well, but not so much as to be unintelligible- teenagers now read Ming Dynasty fiction for fun.

As for Manchu and Mongol domination, neither imposed their languages on the Chinese population- it was the reverse, I think, since they wanted to keep their super secret ruling club.

>>48932457
Things like white and whole teeth, straight posture, kept fingernails, non-swollen finger joints and callusfree hands would be pretty noticable though.

>>48932426
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ja_DV6zvEqQ

I'd say either olympic judoka or olympic wrestlers would be a best fit for medieval Europe. Somebody that's good at both would be fucking unstoppable in one on one fights.

>>48932556
>Things like white and whole teeth
>muh white teeth
So American.

>straight posture,
Are you kidding me?

>kept fingernails, non-swollen finger joints and callusfree hands would be pretty noticable though.
What.

We were talking about "more healthy" and not "look like a pussy as much as possible".

>>48932487
L2sports science. L2read sources. Until then, feel free to stop posting.

>>48932622
You know medieval people loved wrestling AND were physically superior to even our star athletes, right?

Not to mention our modern combat arts would literally be childs play to them (no wonder, since, for example, Greco actually started out as a game for children). Boxing with gloves? Hilarious pussy shit. Judo? Well, it's "Greco-Roman Judo" now after they changed the rules and even if it wasn't, it's a de-clawed version of medieval wrestling - which pretty much looked like JJJ with more added strikes.

>>48932426
>>48932457

Objectively wrong.

These people had less access to proper sanitation, training and nutrition then a modern person has during the crucial years of development. They are not magically stronger because they were born in the past, in fact most of them were objectively stunted, shorter, and weaker in general.

>Considering ancient athletes were a lot better in what they did (actually, even athletes from the early 1900s are superior in most cases)
That's why modern day athletes continually smash the ancient records in every way right? lol get the fuck out of here retard kid

>>48932664
>Objectively wrong.
You keep thinking that, American.

>These people had less access to proper sanitation, training and nutrition then a modern person has during the crucial years of development.
American education - the post.

>They are not magically stronger because they were born in the past, in fact most of them were objectively stunted, shorter, and weaker in general.
Nope. Well, they were slightly shorter than today's Europeans, not shorter than today's Americans. A few cm here and there, and that's the average, so when you start comparing knights and nobles to star athletes, there's not much difference height wise.

L2history for once.

>That's why modern day athletes continually smash the ancient records in every way right? lol get the fuck out of here retard kid
>American
>calling other people retard
>calling other people kids
1. The ancient games don't exist anymore. When modern athletes try to re-create them, they fail massively (example: Modern discus throwers can barely lift an ancient discus, nevermind throw them for anything resembling a oood distance)
2. The ancient records - even from the early 1900s cannot be beaten by modern athletes under the same circumstances (for example, modern sprinters cannot beat Jesse Owen's time when running on sand in the shoes used back then).

tl;dr: I sure hope you're not college-educated because that would be really embarassing.

>>48917248
Wrestlers.

They have strength. They have endurance unlike non-contact sportsmen. They know how to grapple, which is an essential part of any kind of lawless melee combat.

>>48932659
>Boxing with gloves? Hilarious pussy shit.
You can stop acting smart now, boxing gloves cause more casualties because aiming for the skull isn't liable to break your hand any more.

>>48932659
>were physically superior to even our star athletes
How? My what mechanism was this achieved? Or are you maybe full of shit?

>>48933336
That guy's a retard, but technically speaking the rate of fatalities with and without gloves isn't changed, it's the rate of brain damage.

>>48932720
>Modern discus throwers can barely lift an ancient discus
Source plz, I can't find anything saying they go beyond 6kg.

>>48931828
You're the one who thinks his McDojo knowledge and street tussles would make you empirically better than anyone trained in fencing. Hell, you wouldn't last a second against someone who fences at the state level, let alone national or the world stage.

>a completely unrelated point about "not only doing fencing" when we're talking about only doing fencing
And, you're also the guy who believes that a human can exist in a state where they can only know one thing and never learn anything else. Everyone else was talking about fencing as a foundation, and it's a pretty good one.

>I'TS FASTER
I don't think you really understand how fast it is. In fact, I know you don't, because you're actually still trying to argue.
You think I'm exaggerating about how fast it is, but your reaction is the same kind as that of any novice to any sport. You see fencing on television, and think "I can do that" or you see a boxing match and think "That's not that tough."

Which is why I earnestly want you to actually try the sport before you decide to run your mouth about it, and the best would be for you to challenge someone with even a D class rating and to bring all your tussle knowledge to that bout. After you lose, you can console yourself with the idea that you would win in a "real" fight, but at least you'll have learned how fast the sport can be, even at the lower limits of competition.

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>>48932720
You're a pretty bad troll.

It's amazing how you can be so wrong so often.

>>48933486
Dude, I'm not him.
I'm the guy you were arguing against here
>>48925916
I stopped talking when I realized you didn't even read my post. You stay focused on speed, when I didn't argued about fencing being fast. You lack reading comprehension. Go re read it.

And you keep hammering my points
>Everyone else was talking about fencing as a foundation

No, you're not. Look, in the same post
>Hell, you wouldn't last a second against someone who fences at the state level

I wouldn't last in what? Fencing? No shit. I wouldn't last in basketball either, but we're not talking about fencing competition.

I don't know what drugs you are smoking, but you seems to think that fencing give you the ability to break the human ceiling for speed or some shit, and that you can use a longsword as fast as a foil.

Bursting your bubble again: You can't. It's not the same weight, it's not used the same way. And speed is not reserved to fencing. Bursting your bubble again, people can be fast learning other things than fencing.

I laugh at your McDojo and punk street shit when you want to compare stat, national or world stage fencers. You don't even know these guys, but you assume that the ONLY experience you can have beside fencing is "McDojo" or "street tussle"

You are completely delusional. That's why I stopped posting. I will let you linger in your superiority complex and your atrocious love of fencing.

PS: I did four years of fencing, you're still full of shit

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ITT: Overweight armchair /fit/ specialists train their autism level

>>48933553
>You don't even know these guys
By his own admission he was essentially a novice to every sport. Also, street fighting is hardly a demonstration of skill or ability. Punks are punks, and I don't hold any special admiration for them.

>I wouldn't last in what? Fencing?
No, in a fight. We're talking about a foundation that gives such an edge over novices that there is a nice, wide gap between you even succeeding in landing a single hit. And that's just talking about the state level.

> but you seems to think that fencing give you the ability to break the human ceiling for speed or some shit
I'm saying it gives you training at a level of difficulty that is quite hard to match. It's hard to find a faster sport, and training your reactions, reflexes, and mental abilities at that level is a considerable boon to any fighter. Go ahead and argue otherwise.

>and that you can use a longsword as fast as a foil.
I'm aware of the differences. Which is why I never argued that you can wield a longsword as fast as a foil, but more importantly someone else can't do the same. No matter how fast a longsword match might be, it's going to be much slower than a fencing bout. And, that makes it almost a casual affair to someone who's used to the faster sport.

It's like dropping a nascar driver in a go-kart. Sure, they're not going to be going as fast as they would in a stock car, but the techniques, knowledge, decision-making, reflexes, and the like don't disappear, and in fact make the gulf between them and other racers only wider.

>PS: I did four years of fencing, you're still full of shit

That's cute. In high school?

Could you both fucking stop?
Nobody cares about your sperging. But you are literally destroying this thread and replacing any feasible discussion with shit-lifting competition

>>48927189
Kek

>>48921153

Fencing is fucking stupid. Participants genuinely celebrate double-kills. That in and of itself should be the stupidest thing about the sport, but no, you had to make it even stupider.

Fencing is a sport and has as much to do with real combat as a joust does with cavalry combat.

>>48923278

You fuckshit. The basic fencing grip was designed from an origin for people with crippled hands to be able to hold a sword. It's completely useless for stabbing people and even worse for cutting.

>>48933951

>>I did fencing i would be better than someone who did no sword at all.

So what?

I shot a longarm in the army for a few years. I'd be better at pistol than an amateur. Doesn't mean I'd beat a trained duelist.


Stop ignoring the actual point, and stop pretending the argument is the one that lets you feel special and important.

>>48935728
>>48935745
>>48935787
>i know absolutely nothing of fencing, yet I will try to pass judgement

Don't do that.

>>48935974
>I did some fencing in high school, so I feel entitled to speak as an expert