>In the mood for a straight space opera >/tg/ suggests

Check out Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

It's one of the greatest pieces of science fiction entertainment produced.

>>48762517
I admit I never read it because I heard about the Mary Sue problem

Read David Drake instead anon, his RCN series has plenty of space opera/sci fi Age of Sail style stuff

>>48762597
The anime? I hate subs.

>>48762676
It's based on a book series.

>>48762517
Try the Seafort Saga. Dude is still kind of a weird mary sue as in everything goes right for him and everyone loves him, but he knows it is all luck and gets a massive fucking complex over the whole thing.

>>48762517
David Weber has a really bad habit of having secondary characters praise his protagonists. It really does get painful to constantly have people talking about how incredible they are.

>>48762517
>/tg/ suggests Honor Harrington
You've been taken for a ruse cruise.

>>48762676
>admitting to being a dubcuck
Please self-terminate.

>>48762517
Hyperion, W Fire Upon The Deep.

Go Hugo Award winners or go home.

>>48762924
Seconding Fire Upon the Deep, it's absolute top tier space opera.

>>48762517
>this book is not so good
>maybe the next five will be better!

>>48762517

A Mote In God's Eye

Singularity Sky

>>48762517
The Honor Harrington books are a love letter to missiles.

>>48762676
>I hate subs.
Please state a reason why that doesn't include "but I don't wanna read"

>>48762924
Seconding Hyperion.

Beautiful worldbuilding, structured like a holy book, great characters, there is a Mary Sue, but she's the messiah and doesn't really appear until book 3.

Of course there's always the Culture series.

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>>48762517
Screw reading, play this.

>>48762517

Just read Startide Rising and be happy.

>>48763255
I like putting things on the TV so I can do stuff on the computer while they play.

>>48763375
Yeah you are a retard that can't pay attention to things.

>>48763045
Seconding Mote, that's some hot shit right there.

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>>48762517
>>/tg/ suggests Honor Harrington
Stop lying.

>>48763392
He literally just told you he does it so he can pay attention to two things, the computer and the TV.
Can't you pay attention to his messages?

>>48763449
It's called focus. He doesn't have it.

>>48763473
Are you saying you can't focus on two things? What are you? An untermensch?

>>48762517
Welcome to David Weber. We do this because we hate him almost as much as you.

Try Jack Campbell's Lost Fleet. Or Mike Resnick's Starship series.

>>48763485
I would rather watch a show with my full attention than passively watch it.

>>48763317
Amen.

>>48763505

Depends on the show really.

>>48763516
Yeah, it's just anime there. Why bother?

>>48763516
No it doesn't. If you aren't paying full attention to a show I'm sorry you are retarded.

>>48763529

If you need your full attention to understand American Dad you're going to have trouble in life.

>>48763491
Or better yet, Mike Resnick's Santiago.

>>48763558
>watching American Dad
There's your problem

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>>48763558
>LoGH
>American Dad

Well this went hard retard very quickly.

>>48763605
Indeed, from post 1, when some retard talked about children cartoons in what was clearly a book thread.

I watch most shows while doing something else on a screen. Rare jewels like Stranger Things get my full attention. But mostly if something is hard to follow on the side I just watch it again. My attention span has gone to hell.

I still read a book sometimes. And I GM 10+ hour RPG sessions. But watching TV?... that's just too dumb to focus on.

>>48763675
That's because TV isn't interactive and is a pleb media.

>>48763673

Nice b8. Here's your (you).

>>48763708
What isn't?

I mean there's a lot of science and know how to read up on, but that isn't very relaxing.

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>read starship troopers
>become a nazi
>mfw

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>>48763845

Legend of the Galactic Heroes is great. Any setting where standard boarding equipment is a huge stonking axe and standard ship armament is literally as many guns as they can fit to a ship gets my approval.

I really need to finish that series.

>>48762747
>Dude is still kind of a weird mary sue as in everything goes right for him and everyone loves him
Seafort (and the series) at least has the decency to recognize that victory often comes with enormous cost, so the body count and the desperation in tense situations helps keep things grounded, although the angst does occasionally get a bit CRAAWWWWLING at times

>>48762517
>This is the most unlikable Mary Sue protagonist ever
She's based off of Horatio Hornblower, who is one of the great Mary Sues of literature. What did you expect?

>>48762517
Maybe I'm nitpicking, but can you really call her an "instant prodigy" when she's 41 years old at the start of the first book? That's quite some time for an officer to learn their trade.

>>48763015
Well, the first three Dresden Files were shit, but they got better...

>>48768053
I thought the first two were shit, but #3 was the turning point.

>>48763562
My famalam. Though I was always partial to Return of Santiago myself.

>>48768036
Yeah, she's 41 and most of her non-captaincy abilities can be put down to a combination of a life that's almost purely military service and training, combined with being a supersoldier biologically.

Doesn't really excuse a lot of the Mary-sueness, of course, but it at least explains most of the physical stuff.
People loving her is a bit different - as >>48762768 mentions, it's a thing Weber does, and it kind of sucks.

That said, tg never recommends things like Dresden or Harrington without mentioning their flaws as well

>>48763255
You can't multi-task by listening to English and doing whatever else it is you do while watching things.

All intelligent people mutli task, unless its a great movie that requires your utmost attention at all times. LOTGH is not that. there's a lot of down time.

>>48769355
If you can't pay attention to something while watching it then you don't deserve to be called an intelligent human being.

>arguing about how you enjoy your entertainment media

Never change, 4chan.

>>48769913

You'd better have typed that on a tactile keyboard because if you used a touch screen you are a fucking faggot and deserve nothing but death.

>>48762517
If you hated Harrington you're probably going to love the Culture series.

I'm only reading that series to root for the antagonists, tragic heroes in a world inhabited by Sues.

>>48770056

(Not OP.) That might be. I sorta-enjoyed HH (initial books were OK, but as the series went on, I began supporting the antagonists more and more and the protagonists less and less), but loathed the Culture books. After reading Consider Phlebas, I had no intention of reading any of the others, because that was a completely bullshit Shaggy Dog story.

>>48763045
>A Mote In God's Eye

Have Anon accepted Admiral Kutuzov as his lord and savior yet?

Does Niven count as space opera? Because Ringworld is considered a classic for a reason.

>>48762517
Try Risen Empire by Scott Wesaterfeld instead.

Far superior to that mary sue fest.

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>>48762517
>Space opera

The Ancillary series should have been called ‘Fascism Can’t Possibly Be This Cute.’ The whole trilogy is adorable.

In the Radch everyone is referred to as ‘she’ and ‘her.’ The AIs that run the ships can control multiple human bodies, and when they get upset they have the bodies hug one another to feel better. The ships also give relationship advice to their human crewmembers, such as when it’s appropriate to sleep with your subordinates, or how to apologize properly for hurting your girlfriend’s feelings. The soldiers are constantly fussing over their officers, dressing them, bathing them, making them tea, tucking them into bed, and crying or panicking when they get separated on missions. On ships living space is cramped, so it’s also normal for the soldiers to sleep bunched up together in big heaps. Giving and receiving gifts holds vital importance, meaning everyone is constantly obsessing over tea sets, memorial pins, jewelry and clothing. Everyone wears gloves all the time, so getting to touch someone’s bare hand (or god forbid, hold it) is a huge deal.

It creates the impression that the feudal space empire is run by anxious, insecure, perpetually feuding anime schoolgirls. On one page they say something about exterminating solar systems or putting whole planets in storage to thaw the population out as slave labor, and on the next one of the lieutenants interrupts a dinner party to give the captain news, when in reality it’s because she’s 17 years old and wanted to see if she could get any leftovers. Later she cries because she had a crush on the horticulturalist and the Fleet Captain forbid her from speaking to her. The protagonist is able to win partially because she’s a legendary badass, and partially because most of the time she seems like one of a few adults in a room full of squabbling, loveable children.

10/10 series, would recommend

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>>48770328

>>48770328
>>48770417

Yup. If Scalzi likes it, it can't possibly be good.

>>48762517
I've heard the Vorkosigan Saga's good from friends. I haven't read it myself.

Jack Campbell's The Lost Fleet is also pretty good, but it's on the more military sci-fi end of the spectrum. I'd only call it that because the series begins to increase in scope, going from a purely human war to involving alien conspiracies and solar system wide explosions eventually. And the melodrama seems almost out of place among the rest of the story. Love triangles, star crossed lovers on opposite sides of a century's old war, spouses who were thought dead but were really just in a POW camp and meanwhile the character has moved on but not really, and all that. I swear, it ends up having one of the more amusingly convoluted character relationship subplots I've ever read in the spin-off series. The basic premise of the hero being a comparative tactical genius to everyone because he got Buck Rogers'd for a century while everyone else got their asses killed in the war so hard everyone forgot how to fight good sort of edges it further and further from a straight up military sci-fi too. Meanwhile, his last stand against the surprise attack that started the war has made him a god to his fellow soldiers, much to his dismay. The whole series ends up reading like a Space Opera, except the battles are all actually military stuff. I'd actually say it was an anime rip-off, if it hadn't been started years before LN adaptations made that particular plot point popular.

I usually detest this character drama, but Campbell makes it work somehow. Perhaps because, for all the endless war and relationship drama, it ends up being a very feel good series in the end. A lot of people get to end up happy, and a lot of the messy relationships end up getting very soundly, and positively, sorted out. And it's rare for people to be frustratingly stupid about it all. They get thrown into these cheesy situations and sometimes make a mistake, but they largely end up being level headed about it all.

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>>48763845
>read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
>become a gommie
>mfw

>>48762924
Like Space Raptor Butt Invasion? :^)

>>48770548

It hasn't won yet!

>>48770474
Vorkosigan Saga is insane, it's just so good. It's not really pew pew space opera, it's mostly just Miles having adventures all over the galaxy.

Also, in Lost Fleet, Geary was a god to them long before the battle, they had started revering him long ago. Winning the first just confirmed he was, well, himself and living up the legend. Seeing Black Jack Geary interact with all the people who worship the ground he walks on is hilarious in itself.
"Oh no, it's bad. Black Jack help us."
"Well, I'll try."
"No, you can't do that! Black Jack Geary would never-oh uh."

>>48770328
>>shrill harder

>>48770576
It'll win because LOVE IS REAL

>>48769388
Ok kid, it's past your bedtime. Remember to take the dildo out of your ass before going to sleep.

>>48770582
>Also, in Lost Fleet, Geary was a god to them long before the battle, they had started revering him long ago
That's what I was talking about, I apologize for not making that clear. Yeah, he wakes up to a people who revered him as a god for fighting a fairly standard defense to an ambush a century ago when he got frozen. Just a standard captain who wakes up to realize he's the only person who remembers how to fight, and how to fight in a way completely opposite of how people have mythologized him acting. Some things got cut when I hit the character limit.

Like qualifying that the drama may not be as prominent as I implied. It just sticks out because of the aforementioned "really reads like a military sci-fi until the hero ends up making eyes with his head captain but not before he ends up sleeping with the ambassador who hated him at first. And then stargates start exploding." When I type it all out, it sounds pretty lame. But again, it's actually quite a blast to read. The premise sounds incredibly anime self insert, except the premise is fully fleshed out and the other characters aren't stupid, just inexperienced. The enemy wises up properly, the MC isn't the be-all-end-all hero, and the people who disagree with him aren't dismissed out of hand.

And also again, the series just feels good. It's quite clear the author doesn't like to wallow in drama or the scale of the problems the characters face. There's a good amount of shockingly silly humor for a series about a war so bloody they couldn't train officers properly before all the good ones died and everyone started resorting to throwing rocks at civilian planets. Often inserted right in the middle of an otherwise serious situation.

It's a nice reminder that it's bad writing, not bad sounding ideas, that make or break stories. Some ideas are really dumb, no matter what, but some writers take what's appealing about cliche or bad ideas and make them work not just acceptably, but well.

>>48763290
>reading Hyperion beyond 'Hyperion Falls'
You did it wrong.

>>48770417
>>48770427
>>48770610
I thought this was /tg/, not /garbagetaste/

>>48770328
Fuck yes, I love this series, AIs can make such interesting characters

>>48770878
>>48770474
I can heartily recommend it, (especially the audio book which is narrated brilliantly)

All the fleet politics were fascinating and enjoyable, The space battles are not all edge of your seat action, most of them are slow windups, firing run, slow windup.

Focusing heavily on strategy and 3d combat formations that when you picture in your head you understand (or gloss over and enjoy the mind games involved)

Once they "Win" take a look at the spin off broken shield, its fun too

>>48771021
>>says the bought shill.

>>48769955
I bet you typed this on a membrane keyboard. Oh God, I fucking hate you.

>>48764545
>Any setting where standard boarding equipment is a huge stonking axe


EE "Doc" Smith, is that you?

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I don't know how are the books, but the tv series is good.

>>48768526
I'd actually tell people to just skip the first two Dresden books. Each book basically does a recap anyway, so it's not that big a deal for plot comprehension.

>>48763516
I watch MST3K while playing games all the time.

I like the HH series, and see nothing wrong with appealing to honour and perfection in this day and age where all we do is get exposed to violence and bad guys winning constantly...

>>48762517
John Ringo's Troy Rising trilogy is one of the best space operas ever, also loosly inspired by schlock mercenary

>>48762517
You should say you are interested in reading superhero stuff next, then someone can go an suggest Worm to you

Horatio Hornblower as an officer in the space navy.

There, budding writers, is a billion dollar idea.

>>48770102
The other books aren't completely bullshit Shaggy Dog stories, mostly. Consider Phlebas is the weakest of the series in a lot of ways, I'd recommend starting off with Use of Weapons.

>>48769355
>All intelligent people mutli task
t. Child who does not know the difference between multitasking and having no attention span

>>48771820
The books are far, far superior to the series, and the series was damn good. Seriously, read them.

>>48771820
The books are good, would recommend.

>>48770102
Do keep in mind that by saying 'HH' a decent number of us might have thought you meant Horus Heresy, especially with the description of good at the beginning.

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>>48762517
Try this.

>>48762597

I watched an AMV for that once mistake.

It was set to Queen's Princes of the Universe.

https://youtu.be/I5_J6QX3pqQ

[Spoiler/]I love it

>>48773087
>>48773059
agreed EXCEPT for two things:

I thought the first three had pacing issues

and

jesus fuck it's cool to reflect on people just being apes deep down once or twice, but every time theres a social interaction? cmon man. Shit was cringey.

otherwise hell yeah motherfucker

>>48773297
I'll add to this:

I don't know how the TV series is, I heard it smoothed out some of the character perspective problems, but there's about two POVs per book, with one POV continuing through through all of them.

This POV is always the worst. The MC is an idiot who spends the first book getting played by everyone and nothing really happens to make them reflect on this or get any sort of comeuppance for it. It's not that the people doing it are so smart, the MC literally keeps making the same mistake that triggers large scale conflicts because he doesn't think for a single second about what he's doing. He doesn't get much better and most of his continued importance is purely on him stumbling into the plot in the first book. And lucking out and getting a super slick space ship.

On the topic of "people are just apes deep down," there's the constant irritation of everyone not on the side of the MC's being total assholes who are bad and do bad things. It's not even a joke. Up until the third book, if the character has a vaguely bad feeling about someone, over absolutely minor shit, it's a guarantee they're a total fucking asshole and actively malicious. It gets really, really tiresome. It's not even big stuff. The second book has a tall woman getting eyes from some random guy, never seen again, and her response is to think "probably has weird mommy and femdom issues, they always do" and then the scenes just moves on as if this wasn't some bizarre aside serving no purpose. There's a continuous feeling of "everyone is dumb. Everyone but me" in these books that admittedly seemed to lessen as they went on but never quite disappeared.

But I rarely see other people complain about it, so I assume it's just a tolerance problem on my end. The setting is fun and there's little else like it at the moment. The first book really didn't need two scenes back to back of the MC's putting the mean old bureaucrats in their place by being super smooth, though.

>>48773488
I should qualify that the not-MC POV's can be pretty stellar. Even the one with bizarre tall woman. Their tendency to shit on the dumb MC also increases as the book number does, which is a nice salve but unfortunately not better than just making the MC not intolerable.

>>48773488
yeah, I didn't harp on the MC just because i figured i was already taking the piss out of the series, but you're right. It's amazing how interesting all the other characters can be and just how weird and badly written/designed Holden is.

Very much preferred any and all chapters with Miller

>>48762676
m8, if you got an hour just watch the fucking prequel. If you don't like this, then you're straight up impossible to please and should kill yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtrL-WWLU3s

Holy shit these recommendations are bad. OP avoid everything put out by baen as a publisher. In fact avoid most modern Sci do if you haven't read all of the classics first - they're cheaper, the good ones are well known, and you avoid tg's shit taste

>>48770482
>This cobber gets it

>>48763558
If you're watching disgusting liberal propaganda at all, you will have problems later in life.

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>>48773661
listen, i watched the whole thing and the side stories. I even read the first book. If he doesn't like it, that's actually the correct response, because it drags like hell and requires a lot of suspension of disbelief for the tactics/plots they use. Also my god, it gets tiring fast how much they suck reinhard's dick. This is only tolerable when you consider that the entire series is a sort of revisionist history from the imperial perspective.
Anyway, Earth a shit, fuck the nobles, and the FPA was already a trashfire. PEACE

Forget about the Expanse, read Ben Bova's Grand Tour series instead. It's fantastic.

>>48773727
>American Dad
>liberal propaganda
Yeah, the premise was pure uncreative political shit flinging bait, but it was Family Guy that got the worst of it. American Dad just went on to be a wacky cartoon comedy, with the liberal stand ins frequently being just as dumb and wrong. Because it put comedy above any sort of political message and just took chances to do weird, out there shit.

The CIA continued to be both inept and overly invasive, but that was because it was just funnier that way. Everyone was comedically inept, except when it was funnier for them to actually accomplish something. One episode ends with a telethon to get the money to torture a terrorist, because it's the only way to get the information they need to save their lives. It completely works and they're saved. Through the power of torture.

>>48769955
Tactile keyboards are for pathetic spergs with no goddamn life.

>>48773930
>he thinks moderate liberalism is bad

>>48771124
Nice try kid, but have you considered >>>/reddit/?

It would be far more appropriate for a user of your age and social standing... or lack thereof

>>48775772
Come on tell us how much Hayden gave you there's no shame in working. Perhaps your employer should have told you that The product to shrill in this case is completelly indefensible but oh well
>>48775649
It demonstrably is: it was moderate liberalism that brought everything that followed.

>>48775932
You're misspelling shill; there's no r.

>>48763315
FUCK YES

Make sure you pick up the files that allow you to play EV: Override, too

>>48775932
You're right, I admit it, they paid me in access to your mom's cunt

I'd do it again in a second

>>48763125
And a shining example of pure autism.

30,000 wtfpwn missiles are fired at a range of eleventy million KM, 15,765 are stopped by interceptors, 5,432 miss, 2,000 are stopped by last ditch point defence and the other <whatever> blast through armour and hulls and people and and and

repeat this scene five times in every single book changing nothing but the numbers.

>>48776255
Sounds like Aurora.
Except not fun, because you're not playing it.

>>48770063
God yes, the Havenites are the only decent fucking characters.

>>48770328
I love this series. It's not exactly the most action packed thing going though.

>tfw you will never sleep with your spaceship-waifu and her 300 bodies which are copies of her AI downloaded into the still living bodies of random civilians imprisoned en masse

REVELATION SPACE!

>>48762517

I never rec it, it starts out meh gets ok, and then jumps into the sarlac pit.

Try Bujold? Hard to get em in order though. (Vorkosigan Saga)

Bolos?

Bolo books, Fuck Road to Damascus though

>>48763255
>Please state a reason why that doesn't include "but I don't wanna read"
Why is that not a perfectly valid reason?

If I want to read an anime, I'd pick up a manga. Time spent looking at subs is time not spent appreciating the animation and artwork. It also means one can't look away without immediately missing dialogue, which many find annoying.

Any dub quality above "distractingly awful" is superior to subs.

>>48762517
The intergalactic superspy spinoffs are actually kind of okay.

>>48776413
>Any dub quality above "distractingly awful" is superior to subs.
You are fucking retarded. Go back to /reddit/

>>48763675
Few people really do sit and watch TV and do nothing else. Most people seem to watch TV while also using a phone or a laptop or a tablet or some shit. There's nothing wrong with it and if you're even half-awake it's perfectly easy to focus on two things at once. Which is why most people don't like subtitles when they can be easily avoided.

Retarded "purists" think the Japanese voice acting quality is amazing because they don't understand the words being said enough to notice flaws in delivery. It used to be pretty common (in, like, the 80s and 90s) for most anime to have pretty terrible dubs, but nowadays most dubs are at worst serviceable.

>>48763673
B-b-b-but there's plenty of adult anime stop saying that

That's the (you) you were looking for, right?

>>48763255
No, YOU state a reason why subs are better.

>>48776453
>No, YOU state a reason why subs are better.
Because dubs barely get the translation right and subs are more accurate at conveying what the characters say.

>>48770878
>The premise sounds incredibly anime self insert
It gets funnier when you realize Jack Campbell is the pen name of Lt.Cdr. John Hemry, USN.

>>48776438
>asks for a reason
>receives one
>f-f-f-fuck off I wasn't expecting an actual reply ;_;
'kay

>>48776513
The only problem I consistently notice with dubs is the tendency to either drop honorifics entirely or translate them inaccurately, due to English just plain not having the same meanings that can be succinctly conveyed.

But I cannot, offhand, think of even a single instance where I thought an anime's plot or characterization was actually hurt by unintentional inaccurate dubbing. And even if there are examples, they're the exception, not the norm. Most anime is perfectly fine in English.

>>48776691
Don't argue with /a/. Just ignore him and keep posting about SPACE

>>48776743
Fair enough.

I just picked up the first Lost Fleet novel. Is it really this short? It's barely over 200 pages.

>>48776691
>plot or characterization was actually hurt by unintentional inaccurate dubbing.
If you knew anything about Japanese you would know it's a language of subtlety. There are words and phrases in Japanese that don't transfer over to English that well, especially given the translation restrictions in dubbing. Besides, anime was meant to watched in Japanese.
>consistently notice with dubs is the tendency to either drop honorifics entirely
And that's a huge problem. In Japanese honorifics tell a lot about what a person thinks of another person and what type of person they are. A person who calls everyone -senpai or -dono is a much different person than a person who calls everyone very informally, such as -kun or -chan. So it really is a big deal.
>Most anime is perfectly fine in English.
No it's not and you are an idiot to think so.

>>48776413
>time not spent appreciating the animation and artwork
I've never gotten this complaint. It's all dialogue so it's not like any complex sentences are being put on screen, so it shouldn't take any more than a split second to glance at the line then go back to the screen.

I've never missed anything because I've been looking at the subtitles, and I don't see how you can miss them unless you're actually looking away from the screen itself, in which case you're no longer appreciating that animation and artwork.

>>48776764
Surely the same problems would be present in written English as well?

>>48776895
No because generally subbers are better translators than dubbers.

>>48776255

That (and treecats) are the only two parts of the whole shebang I actually like.

Every time I play 'Rule the Waves', the start is so fucking annoying - since the armor is so thick, and guns so shit, you can literally shoot at a battleship all day and it won't sink.

By the end of the game, OTOH, with better accuracy and bigger guns, Battles are over in half-hour with half fleet sunk.

I'm also putting up my vote for the Vorkosigan Saga: lots of keks to be had reading about all of the Miles' wacky shenanigans.

>>48776691
French dub of Fist of the North Star was hilarious and great. Dub actors never read the plot and made shit up all the time. Ended up with zero link to the original plot though, of course. Back then dub actors absolutely hated the shit out of anime (99% of it was already trash, surprise surprise) and the editors worried over all the "swatiskas" in the anime, so they let the dub actors do whatever the fuck they want.

>>48773155
But the thread's about Honor Harrington. Use context clues.

>>48776764
>There are words and phrases in Japanese that don't transfer over to English that well
And subs fix this how...?

Sorry, but if I'm gonna learn a new language, it's gonna be a more widely useful one than Japanese. Learning an entire separate language to watch cartoons is a bit too autistic for me.

>And that's a huge problem. In Japanese honorifics tell a lot about what a person thinks of another person and what type of person they are. A person who calls everyone -senpai or -dono is a much different person than a person who calls everyone very informally, such as -kun or -chan. So it really is a big deal.
Most dubs do cue onto this and, even if they don't translate something literally, they translate it in spirit. For instance, re-writing some of a character's lines to make them sound more formal in English, so that the spirit of their language (talking formally) is preserved, even if formal English and formal Japanese aren't the same. Spice & Wolf did this well in the dub.

>No it's not and you are an idiot to think so.
No u.

>>48776941
>No because generally subbers are better translators than dubbers.
[citation needed]

>>48776973
Bit unfair to point out a gag dub, though. By that logic MXC is a poor dub of Takeshi's Castle.

>>48776370
SUN STEALERRRR

Jack McDevitt's A Talent For War is pretty good too, if you're into unearthing-ancient-secrets shit.

>>48762517
Oh god, I hate strong womyn stories.

>>48777693
Hello there /r9k/

>>48768903
In mild defense of Weber, he realized how bad it was getting in the HH series, and intended to kill her off. He admitted he just couldn't do it, and instead has had her shuffled off to doing what real admirals actually do; Administrate and control the fleet from a desk.

The series now focuses on either a group of midshipmen that were promoted early due to lack of trained officers, and members of intelligence and marine services. The writing has generally improved.

Hell, when Captain Terekhov start displaying the HH signs of Gary Stuness, Weber hustled him off to a fleet command and put him in the background in favor of more junior officers.

>>48766145
Only seen the television series and I have to say: for all the utter Mary Sueness of the character, I really can't hate Horatio, he just seems so much fun.

Props to Ioan Gruffudd for an excellent performance.

I didn't mind the Honour Harrington series that much, at least, to start with.
OK, she was a bit of a Sue, but let's face it, you need to be pretty damn good at a lot of things to be the CO of a warship. That, and the story and setting were good enough that I got all the way through Basilisk Station.

Then came the second book, Again, not too bad. The ending, where she single handedly makes a patriarchal theocracy change its policy on women practically overnight was a bit much, but still, on the whole, I didn't mind.

Then came the third book. A fucking refit! I was waiting for something interesting to happen, and it kept threatening to, but never did.
Then she goes and gets into a cringe-inducing romance. But what really broke me was the scene where she goes and asks her XO for makeup tips.
THAT was the point where I put the book down and never picked it up again.

>>48762517
Best space opera is still vorkosigan saga. It even made me like the jerk jock.

A Space Opera I liked (and I was surprised) was Starship mage, the author is Glynn Stewart. The setting was better than expected, but I expected shit. The first one/five ones are kinda of neat and low level stuff, a freigther trying to evade pirates and it doesn't scale out of proportion very much, the second series than I recently started is more about politics and sector level stuff. Fast and fun, with spaaaace magic being a thing (and mages being the de facto nobles of very much all humanity).

>>48778456
IIRC, Boyfriend gets fridged and she ends up fucking an admiral later on.

>>48778477
Ivan wasn't a jerk, poor dudes was more like a puppy constantly being kicked.

>>48778456
I thought the 'Harrington is useless at social interaction' thing was kind of cute, but then, I'm a huge fan of the ancilliary justice series, so my judgement is off.

>>48778498
I know he gets killed, can anyone remember how? (And not just an admiral, the first space lord or something. The actual head of the SPACE BRITISH SPACE NAVY GOD SAVE THE (BLACK) QUEEN

>>48778536
The dude from the first book, the one who tried to rape her back in school, had a professional duelist kill the guy to hurt Honor. His favorite assassin/whore then told Honor everything because she was "tired of being forced to serve his twisted sexual desires" so it "made it easy to betray him".

By this point, they were both nobles, so Honor challenged him to a duel. He had people try to kill her a few times since then, and tried to get the professional duelist to kill her (who either she killed beforehand or some dude who practically worshipped her did it, I don't remember which), then chickened out at the duel and tried to kill her when her back was turned (in front of an audience) so she performed the amazing stunt of pulling her gun and firing it when it was waist high rather than bringing it all the way up to a standard firing position.

>>48762517
Redshirts was mildly entertaining.

That one series, Bola something. The one with the sentient supertank waifus. That might be up your alley.

>>48780470
Bolo.
I also suggest The Old Guy Chronicles series, which is essentially about a Bolo civilization thousands of years after the last humans have vanished to places unknown.

>>48780633
I can never remember.

>>48778456
>you need to be pretty damn good at a lot of things to be the CO of a warship
No you don't. You just need to be a non-incompetent line officer that makes a point to try to get a department head billet then an XO billet on an operational, deploying example of the platform they want to be a CO of.

>>48762517
>female protagonists

not even once

>>48780470
Bolos are less waifus than knights. AIs with honor and integrity even when humans haven't. Especially when humans haven't.

I think Leo Frankowski wrote an actual book with tankwaifus (and husbandos), but Frankowski is aggressively Polish and has some, uh, quaint views of women if that sort of thing bothers you.

old man's war and revalation space are pretty fuckin good.

>>48781976
>old man's war
Second. I love that series.

>>48763290
Dan Simmons other books are great too and he includes elements from classic literature in most of them. Try Illium and Olympos.

>>48775932
lol but why u so mad bro?

>>48762517
Welcome to /tg/ mostly terrible taste in books. Soon enough, you'll see someone disparaging Tolkien and praising Sanderson in the same breath.

>>48782299
What if I idolize Tolkien and think Sanderson writes fun if not amazing fantasy. What then?

>>48782299
Tolkien yammered on too much about botany though. More than that, he mistook verbosity for eloquence. Cunts like you put him on a pedestal when really he could shut the fuck up after a while and every bit of the point would be preserved.

>>48770427
Sad Puppy?

>>48776691
>keeping Japanese honorifics in English translation
I love you like a brother, /a/, but holy shit sometimes I want to shoot you in the brain.

>>48782468
I find it less weird than high school students addressing each other as "Mr." or "Ms."

>>48782372
Well, at least you didn't start yammering about the fantastic and original magic system in Sanderson's books. What will it be next? Preaching how overrated the Dying Earth series is and how boring the Once and Future King was to read? Or maybe praising Dan Abnett?

>>48782542
Yeah? You are aware that you can translate respect or lack thereof without using either, right? Right?

>>48782579
I am, which is why I made literally the exact same argument:
>>48777219
>Most dubs do cue onto this and, even if they don't translate something literally, they translate it in spirit. For instance, re-writing some of a character's lines to make them sound more formal in English, so that the spirit of their language (talking formally) is preserved, even if formal English and formal Japanese aren't the same. Spice & Wolf did this well in the dub.
Read the fucking thread.

>>48770056
The Culture is gay.

>>48762517
Well, no accounting for you having shit taste, anon.

>>48782816
I think the Culture is generally bi, technically.

what about some classic sf characters?
>Flandry
>Retief
>Stainless Steel Rat

>>48782857
More pansexual fuck everything you can stick your dick in. Basically they are Dark Eldar with AI's. Also earlier there was that Ancillery Justice crap. Dear god that sounds so shitty, a bunch of whinny faggots with AI's committing genocide. Totally unlikable characters.

>>48782914
You actually don't know. Didn't read either, right?

>>48770328
So like, is this sarcasm or, the greatest satire series ever? I'm confused.

>>48783008
I know a little about the culture. And what I know about Ancillery is what that other guy said.

>>48782372
You totally missed the point of those books.

It wasn't about the characters or the struggles. It was about the world. You just complained that too much of the book dealt with its main character.

>>48778513
First few times he was definitely a jerk. The author reinvented the character later on when she needed a new sidekick for miles.

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>>48762517
>Five books in and it still sucks

Why the fuck do people do this? If you don't like something after the first book you complete, chances are you won't like the rest. So don't torture yourself like that.

Sure, in a series there's always a chance you picked up a bad book and want to give the series another chance, but if the second book also sucks, why continue to torture yourself like that?

>>48787261
I'm amazed people make it through a whole book to decide if they liked it or not. Generally if I'm not invested in it by a third of the way through I'm not going to be and why read it to the end if I don't care about the story?

>>48787374
Well, I always feel vaguely guilty if I buy a book and then never read it all the way through.

If you like Mary Sues, OP, try the Night's Dawn trilogy.

>>48787523
>buy a book
I sometimes forget not everyone pirates ebooks. I only buy books I really loved and would want to read again.

>>48769955
>tactile keyboard
Too poor for mechanical, anon?

>>48788001
>I sometimes forget not everyone pirates ebooks
I can never find a site with reliable e-book downloads.

>>48778536
>And not just an admiral, the first space lord or something
The navy rotates that position - it's still one of the most senior uniformed positions you can be in, and he does become a lord of the admiralty (the civilian head of the navy) later, but by that point he's a prominent politician (they both are) and she's been an admiral for ages.

The feelings start when he's a senior admiral and she's a commodore, but she's been held back from promotion for a while for reasons, so probably should have been a junior admiral

But yeah, it's not a good romance at all.

>>48777864
Yeah, those are better, but there's still a Honor story going on - not one particularly he wanted to write, he wanted it to be her kids after a time skip, but the spy adventures (not read them yet) and the inability to kill off Honor means the timeline he had was shortened and she's leading the fleet.

A shame, I think it would have been better if he'd gotten to use his original plan, but whatever.

Ah well, at least the side fleet stories seem alright.
You mention the midshipmen - what's the last main line book you've read

>>48788923
KAT was really useful for it since it separated ebook and audiobook.

>>48788923
#bookz on undernet.

Elizebeth Moon's Vatta's war saga is my favourite space opera. Might just be that I like all the fluff about commercial traders before it gets into the crazy impacts of newly devised ship mounted ftl communication on space based fleet warfare.

The Serrano legacy wasn't bad either.

>>48776947
>By the end of the game, OTOH, with better accuracy and bigger guns, Battles are over in half-hour with half fleet sunk.
>not DD swarms with a million torpedoes

They're rough starting out, but they wreck shit later.

>>48788923
google
>site:mobilism.me "book title" "book author" "epub or whatever format"

Use an adblocker though - the site is fine, but the actual ebooks are hosted on random upload sites, and if it's more than a couple of years old it may have been taken down.

>>48789658
http://mobilism.me/viewforum.php?f=1293 is their sf/f ebook releases forum. requests go elsewhere.

>>48762517
The first book is literally the only book where she's not an insufferable Mary Sue. If that didn't hook you you should've stopped.

>>48763675
I find it easier to focus completely on a film when watching it with a friend. I like movies, but I get easily distracted when alone and will often pick up my laptop or start to draw in the middle of a movie that's only mildly interesting.

>>48763317
I hated the Jijjo trilogy. It retconned a bunch of shit.
>It's not just our galaxy, there are FIVE galaxies!
>It's not just one hyperspace, there are FIVE hyperspaces!
>Hey, remember these minor characters? They become useless/traitors.
>Literal Reptiloids are controlling mankind and their clients.
>Galaxies get shed all the time from galactic culture and nobody realizes it.
>Aliens can't into calculus at all. They think it's superstition.

And all three books spend a huge amount of time following some really unlikeable characters like Reety and dealing with primitive medieval armies fighting super-advanced spaceships. It's fucking garbage.

>>48770898
Is rhat a sequel to gravity falls?

>>48782391

No (and not Rabid either), but I'm enjoying the shitshow that are the Hugos.

>>48789642

Well, they're the only way to sink anything in the beginning, that's true.

But later on, during the day, with a 20k yards range to see them coming, and tons of destroyers, light cruisers and BB's secondary batteries to provide covering fire, I haven't lost a single ship to torpedoes in over a (real-time) year of playing.

Night battles, OTOH, I avoid like a plague.

>>48762517

Wasn't she meant to die, but fans of the book took offence or something?

tfw no one has even mentioned the psychic 6 legged cats...

>>48776764
>If you knew anything about Japanese
I know it's shit. That's all I need to know.

>>48777085
But friend, as you can see with this thread, this board is infested with summer retards with no taste.

>>48790431

That's intelligent tele-emphatic 6-legged cats, you emotionally insensitive cat-hater.

The Chanur Cycle is pretty good space stuff.

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>>48762517
The Black Fleet Trilogy
War Eternal
Front line Series
The Legacy Fleet Series
Pax Humana
Angel in the Whirlwind (Honor Harrington but done less sueish)
Dune is always a good read
A Learning Experience
Galactic Empire Wars
The Silver Ships
Void Wraith
The Terran Fleet Command Saga
The Empire Corps
The Empire War
Omega Force
Pandora's Star
Old man's War
The Expanse

Honestly just go on Audible or something and look for a good space book, they all tend to be good in their own way, traits vary but nice all around. Should you enjoy Japanese stuff

Legend of the Galactic Hero's is being translated and if you ever wanted a great space opera story, there it is.

>in the mood for a sci-fi movie
>/tg/ suggests event Event Horizon
>starts well but quickly becomes a simple jump scare mixed with WE WENT THROUGH LITERAL HELL
What a steaming pile of shit.

>>48790633
Go watch Dune, you'll love it.

>>48790633

Science Terror.

>>48790652
>science
I don't know where the science has hidden in the movie, but if esthetics are enough to call something "science" then putting Dracula on a spaceship would be enough. There are so many interesting things that can be scary in space, but no, it had to be LITERAL HELL
>terror
Well, I was terrified by how bad it is, indeed. But the main feeling I felt would be "anger".

>>48790685
> Dracula on a spaceship

Here you go

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracula_3000

>>48790731
>Aurora reveals that she is programmed for sexual pleasure

>>48769355
>All intelligent people mutli task
Only morons think multitasking is actually effective. When you split your mind between two tasks, you just do both tasks shittily.

>>48772289

>bad guys winning constantly

this is "all" we get exposed to? what the fuck are you talking about? i can't remember ever once reading a book the protagonist didn't win. are you being very flexible in your interpretation of "bad guy" or are you reading a whole other genre of books i've never heard of?

+1 to the Vorkosigan recommendations. It's ok to do in order but consider skipping the very first book. An engineering protagonist is different but I didn't find it particularly engaging. Keep it as a book to go back to later once you've bitten off the core of the series.

>>48790685
>then putting Dracula on a spaceship would be enough.
You should read Blindisight and Echopraxia.

>>48763392
I don't mind subs, but because they demand my undivided attention, the bar is higher for them. Whatever it is I'm watching has to be better than just "pretty decent". Meanwhile, watching something that's English language allows me to cook, clean, or do any number of computer or internet related things at the same time, so I have more opportunities to watch it. And there's a sliding scale of how much attention I can pay attention to it based on how riveting it is. I can occasionally do something else with my computer but keep most of my focus on what I'm watching, or I can only halfway pay attention to it, letting it run peripherally and only fixating on it when something pivotal or particularly interesting happens.

>>48763529
Some of us have busy lives with very limited free time, and being able to occasionally do something else, like stir the food we're cooking, enables us to actually conserve a bit more time for other things, like reading or working on RPGs.

>>48776453
>No, YOU state a reason why subs are better.
It's not an issue of subs vs dubs, it's an issue of faggots REEEEEing at subs when that's the only option available. If there's a dub of LoGH and someone went "eww subs," that'd be one thing, but the dude's willing to completely ignore the existence of a very very good series just because it's subs only. That shows an extreme level of stupidity and entitlement.

Sub vs Dub is a stupid argument anyway. Sometimes subs are better, and other times dubs are better. Depends entirely on a) the quality of the translation, b) the skill/appropriateness of the VAs, and c) the changes made by the translators. 4kids was shit dubs because they had mediocre VAs and changed shit around nonsensically. The people that dubbed Dead Leaves did a great job because they had good VAs that matched the characters and changed some of the lines to not only fit English-speaking audiences better but just be better lines overall. Some subbers can't into grammar and/or leave every other word as romanized Japanese because they're weebs while other subbers that give a shit can do decent work.

You can't just make a blanket statement that one is always better than the other.

sage for responding to 20-hour old b8 post

>>48789479
There's always Demonoid.

>>48762956

This.

Out of all the sci fi they've made movies out of, this seems like a prime candidate to me. Nice to think about, isn't it?

>>48762597
>overwhelmingly male-dominated story with shallow female characters.
>better than the west's more nuanced SF
Pick one.

>>48792315
Star Trek?

>>48762517
>/tg/ has shit taste
And nothing new was discovered.

>>48790473
Then you're racist.

>>48763255

I mint prefer one to the other, but a legitimate problem with subs is that your eye is always focused on the bottom of the screen and you end up missing some details near the top and middle of the frame as a result.

>>48791522
Yeah you'er a fucking normie. Fuck off normalfag.

>>48792466
No you literally don't. You are just retarded.

>>48792315
>overwhelmingly male-dominated story

Just like most good stories.

>>48762924
Pre 2015 hugo winners. 3 body problem is the worst piece of shit I've read in years, can't trust the hugos any more.

>>48792315
>overwhelmingly male-dominated story
As it should be

>>48790606
>Angel in the Whirlwind

Is this better than nuttal's ark royal trilogy? because that was not great.

>>48762676
Not him, but I prefer dubs as well, Japanese voices, especially the women, really grate on me.

>>48762924
>trusting the Jewgos
Gud joek

>>48792574
>he can't appreciate the amazing range and voice of seiyuus
Just means you have shit taste and have no right watching anime.fucking kill yourself

>>48792608
>ONI-CHAAAAAAN!! AIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!11
It's the same reason I can't stand shit like Alvin and the Chipmunks or Helium voices, the shrill noises are unbearable to me.
Some animes have really good actresses, especially ones that are softspoken with a hint of malice. Again, I have nothing against anime itself, just their taste in "cute actresses."

>>48792608
>inb4 WAAAH THEY ALL JUST SOUND LIKE SHRIEKING LITTLE GIRLS
Do you really expect /tg/ to have good taste in anything?

>>48792652
>ONI-CHAAAAAAN!! AIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!11
Nice generalizations. Try actually watching anime next time. Anyone that has watched anime for any period of time will say the opposite so you just proved to be an autistic generalizing retard.

>>48791662
Wait, some people actually don't like subs? Wtf? Subs preserve the original voice acting, which is better directed, whereas dubs have second-rate voice actors who hardly take their work seriously. I can understand the point of dubs, if you have poor eyes or have trouble reading, but to preserve the original artistic quality, there should be no debate.

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>>48792652
I get what you're saying, but voices for children in Japanese media are the absolute fucking worst holy shit. Infinitely worse than all the already-awful moeblobs.

>>48792822
>voices for children in Japanese media are the absolute fucking worst holy shit
Absolutely subjective.
> all the already-awful moeblobs.
Grand generalizations that are bound to be false by the law of averages.

So you're full of shit.

>>48792822
Yeah, absolutely.
Another reason for dubs is accents; most anime are set in Japan in some way or another, so it's usually fine. But some animes, like Hellsing Ultimate, have trouble doing western accents, Anderson sounds like a bloody smoker rather than an irishman.

>>48792885
I'm sorry someone doesn't like your favorite children's cartoons. I know it's painful.

Today I learned that /tg/ is physically incapable of reading fucking subtitles and wears a fedora the size of Jupiter.

>>48762517
>Instant prodigy
>She's 45 in the first book.

The only part I have issue with was Duel of Honor, where she suddenly had skills in marksmanship and swordfighting.

>>48792897
I just feel sorry for the fact that you can't enjoy things because other people like them and feel the need to act smarter because you are oh so intelligent.

>>48763255
Generally speaking, I prefer dubs because I work from home and am busy... pretty much at all waking hours. Dubs let me work and still enjoy the anime, because I don't have to focus on reading the subs.

>>48792940
Yes, the only reason someone could not like anime is because other people like it. You got me. I'm found out.

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>>48792652
>>48792656
Called it

>>48792608
>>48792709
>>48792885
>>48792906
>>48792940
Jesus christ man, masturbate or something. You are practically foaming at the mouth here.
It's fine, it's cool.
Some people are American, and hate reading.

>>48793011
You were 7 seconds late faggot.

>>48793026
Doesn't matter, slut

>>48792972
Then you can't focus on watching something and are therefore lazy.
>>48793021
>and hate reading.
Which is an absolute insult to culture and society. You have no reason not to read a book and anyone that says they don't because "its too hard" or "it takes up too much time" is a fucking autist that needs to be gassed.

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>>48793071
>posts Miss "I want Saboteur's dick"
>calls others slut

>>48793079
Yes it is, though have you seen our country's education lately? It's a goddamn shame.

>>48793114
Chaika is a pure, it's iron ninja's sister that was a slut

>>48762597
I've seen some webm's, and it looks to me like a lot of the fighting scenes are depressingly gory.

It's not that I can't handle blood and guts and whatnot, but I can only take so many scenes people getting mangled by enemy fire or getting their bodies melted into the bulkheads of space ships before I start to feel sad.

Does this happen a lot in that show? Does anybody else dislike it or am I just think-skinned?

>>48793316
>I can only take so many scenes people getting mangled by enemy fire or getting their bodies melted into the bulkheads of space ships before I start to feel sad.
That was whole goddamn point.

>>48793316
>Does this happen a lot in that show?
A lot of it is politics.
> am I just thin-skinned?
You are.

>>48763491
Lost fleet? That's the one where a guy from the past turns up to find the only tactic future guys know is Zapp Brannigan style charging?


Yeah that was shit.

Gentlemen.


We need more missiles.

>>48792547
>it's got a troll's name on the cover, so it has to be good

>>48793393
I can get behind this, no problem cannot be solved with enough missiles

>>48792891
Baccano! just shouldn't be watched in Japanese at all. The accent work on the English dub is outright superior.

>>48770328

I found it kind of fell apart during the last half of the last book. There were just too many plot elements introduced too quickly without any real justification. It felt like she was writing to get to a pre-determined resolution, and couldn't figure out how to get there plausibly from where she was about halfway through the book.

And I was kind of annoyed that she never bothered to explain the casual "Oh the Radch have a dyson sphere" drop, or how the Radch seem to have a 2000+ year lead on all other human beings. That said I quite like the first two, and will read whatever she does next.

I also think the first two are subversive in a way that some of the people who praise the series don't get. Everything about the Radch is, to us, coded as feminine. From the obsession with jewelry, fashion, and teatime, the use of flowers in religious ceremonies, to the pronouns. This is no obstacle to them being effectively space Rome. Just going onto a planet, killing or enslaving everyone there who even thinks about resisting, extracting whatever they want from it, using the proceeds to play their own little dynastic status game, rinse, repeat. The "If it wasn't for the patriarchy there'd be no bad things crowd" loves a book series that is premised on them being completely and fundamentally wrong.

>>48763529
>not being able to multitask
What are you, retarded?

>>48793079
>>48793021
>hate reading
>hurr durr americans xD
here's your (you)

>>48793559
I watched it in Japanese and it was just fine. I watch all my anime in Japanese and honestly it's just better that way.

>>48793628
>not being able to focus
What are you, autistic?
>>48793651
>implying that comment was merely aimed at America
This applies to all of western culture as well dipshit.

>>48793628
Honestly if you arent activating your language centers while simultaneously activating your motion centers, you are wasting your brain.

>>48793677
Actually, focusing overmuch on one thing is a sign of autism.

>>48793677
>>48793021
>Some people are American, and hate reading.
>>48793677
>>implying that comment was merely aimed at America
Yeah, how could anyone have gotten that impression?

>>48793021
>people
>hate reading
pick one.

>>48793657
If you didn't watch it with the superb 1930s New York accent work on characters like Firo, the Gandors etc, you missed out considerably.

>it's just better!
How?

>>48793677
Anon, stop being an autist just because other people choose to multitask.

Meditate to practice focus. Multitask to use your leisure time effectively.

>>48793696
Not being able to focus your attention on something for too long is a sign of retardation.
>>48793709
That comment could be applied for basically everyone so your point is null.
>>48793725
Because the Japanese seiyuus just have a better voice range and capture emotion way better than English dub VAs.

>>48793734
>Multitask to use your leisure time effectively.
Yeah and some of us actually like to watch something instead of doing other shit. If you want to play video games, do so. You don't have to watch anime (dubbed anime at that) while playing video games. If you aren't willing to pay attention to anime then you don't have a right to enjoy it, I'm sorry.

>>48793735
Actually, that isnt a sign of retardation at all.
I think you dont know what retarded or autistic means.

>>48793735
>Because mystical Japanese master race are inherently superior actors to gaijin white devil foreigners
You know it's not the 90s anymore, right? Shit like 4kids dubs isn't very prevalent anymore. Most dubs are perfectly decent. Blanket statements that Japanese actors are superior to English ones smack of weeabooism.

>>48793754
It's weird you are freaking out so hard that people sometimes like to do several things.
You should take up meditation, like me. It will help.

>>48793735
You're just noticing it because they're speaking in a language you don't understand. You're not processing the meaning of the words are saying, going instead off of tone or inflection alone.

Out here in reality, the rest of us have noticed Japanese voices are higher in pitch and flatter in range than most Westerners are. We noticed this because we're not hung up on the idea that absolutely everything from Japan is amazing and superior and folded a million times and whatever.

>>48773059
i hated the books, thought the main character was an idiot. Like a super idiot.

>>48793784
He cant meditate, anon. Hes some kind of retarded anime autist. He needs a show to entertain him to even sort of focus.

>>48793754
>If you aren't willing to pay attention
Subs require undivided visual attention. Even looking away for a single line of dialogue means you're missing the dialogue. Stop thinking of multitasking as meaning the anime is basically just on for background noise - most of us might do other light activities while watching a new series, or have a pet that walks in and distracts us, or a billion other reasons why we might look away for even a few moments.

Does it really baffle people this much that most people prefer their native tongue?

>>48793838
He is angry other people have things in life more important than anime.

>>48793856
It's not even about having things more important than anime. It's about whether you watch something with complete, 100% undivided attention for literally every single last line of dialogue, or not.

If occasionally looking away because I have a giant 100lb sled dog in my face means I'm not willing to pay attention and have no right to watch anime, so be it.

>>48770246
You betcha.

>>48793955
I would argue your dog is way more important than anime, anyway.

>>48793955
>not knowing how to properly raise your pets
You don't deserve to own a dog

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>>48794187
Anon, his dog seems fine.
It would be more worrying if the dog was so traumatized it nevercame to visit you.

>>48794256
>It would be more worrying if the dog was so traumatized it nevercame to visit you.
Such as a dog owned by an autistic shut-in who yells at it and chases it off because he's watching anime and can't focus on two things simultaneously?

>>48794282
Yyyes, actually.

>>48794256
>not teaching your dog to patiently watch TV with you with its head resting in your lap
Pretty shit own desu senpai

>>48793316
Gratuitous violence for no reason seems pretty underwhelming senpai. Just gauche.

People have varying tastes and varying degrees of sensitivity. I have a friend who can't go to movies because she has trouble differentiating people dying on the screen from real life. Just be aware of what you like/don't like and provide for it.

>>48793316
I only like it when it's done so exceptionally over the top as to be intentionally comical (see literally any Tarentino movie), or when it's done to make a very realistic point (like Black Hawk Down or Saving Private Ryan) rather than just because gore is cool and edgy. It's in between those two ends that I don't really care for gore and think gore and suffering and shit can be just as well implied as actually shown.

>>48794340
>making your dog watch anime
Animal abuse!

>>48793762
>Blanket statements that Japanese actors are superior to English ones smack of weeabooism.
Try comparing a Crunchyroll dub to the Japanese sub and then we can talk. Dubs are still trash.

>>48793797
>You're just noticing it because they're speaking in a language you don't understand.
I actually speak Japanese so you can stop projecting.
> the rest of us have noticed Japanese voices are higher in pitch and flatter in range
This is factually incorrect and you are an idiot for thinking so.
>everything from Japan is amazing
I don't think that and you assuming that is only more proof that you are projecting.

>>48794568
Stop projecting, anon.

>>48793838
>Even looking away for a single line of dialogue means you're missing the dialogue.
Which is good. You should be paying attention.
>a billion other reasons why we might look away for even a few moments.
Is it so hard to rewind and rewatch the scene?

>>48794568
>I actually speak Japanese so...
...so you have no place or reason to defend subs at all because you can watch it in the original language without subtitles, meaning you're purely here to stir shit.

and you're not making yourself sound like less of a weeaboo

>>48794547
I have seen numerous anime subbed as they aired and then the later English dub as a rewatch, and I cannot think of a single example from the past decade that I thought was worse off for having been dubbed.

>>48794590
>Is it so hard to rewind and rewatch the scene?
Why exactly would I put up with constantly rewinding to catch missed lines just to avoid watching it in the language I actually speak?

>>48794612
>and you're not making yourself sound like less of a weeaboo
You have no idea what weeaboo means.
> you can watch it in the original language without subtitles
No I can't. I'm not a native speaker so I can't translate that fast in my head. Besides, its harder to find raws than it is to find subs.
>>48794642
You may not know this, but translation companies are infamous for changing the dialogue of anime in terrible translations (yes, even today). Western VAs are also laughably bad when compared to their seiyuu counterparts.

>>48794642
See, we wouldn't have this problem if you just paid attention to what you were watching.

>>48794674
Man, why are you weebs such animal abusers?

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>>48793593
>"Oh the Radch have a dyson sphere" drop

That's a metaphor. The 'dyson sphere' is their powerful military forming a shell around their civilization to protect it from the outside world. It's brought up when the protagonist points out that the barrier has already been penetrated, both by the Presgr introducing technology specifically designed to fight the Radch, and by the Empress' minds fissioning into separate, warring personalities

I won't even try to argue that the ending wasn't shit, because it absolutely was

>>48762517
David Weber can't write lead characters without them being Mary(or Gary for that matter) Sues
I don't know why, he actually can write good strong female characters, but only if they aren't the main focus

the politics and battles are really good though (if you are autistic enough)
>>48790364
yeah, she was supposed to die at Manticore (similar to Nelson at Trafalgar) and Alistair McKeon was meant to replace her
it would be better for her to die even sooner than that. Too bad.

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>>48794674
Makes it all the better in my opinion.

>>48770474
>Ctr+F
>Lost Fleet

My nigger.

The best part of that book was how most people kept telling him he wasn't doing it the correct way because Black-Jack would never do X or Y.

A really good part I thought was when he questions why all the best captains are on frigates and the shitters are on capital battle-cruisers and then points out that in his day it was the opposite because you don't want your top-tier guys getting annihilated.

Later though the story just ground to a halt. I think he wrapped it up way too quickly and the Syndic spin off is fucking terrible ramblings about how bad it is to lose.

>>48794743
No m8.
His best captains are on battlecruisers, as opposed to back in his time when they went to battleships. There are shitters all over.

>>48794674
>changing the dialogue of anime
Discussed earlier in the thread, i.e. read the fucking thread

It's usually a better option to slightly rewrite dialogue than to faithfully translate things like aphorisms or word choice or pretty much every use of language other than direct definition of words used to convey meaning. It's almost always a better option to use the closest English equivalent that preserves the spirit of a line rather than its literal translation. For instance, puns usually can't be directly translated, but you can make a similar joke in English and preserve the real point of that line of dialogue (that the character made a pun) even if the actual joke being made has changed.

>>48794743
Too bad the spinoffs aren't good. What about the fantasy series written by the same guy? It looked interesting for steampunk enough to check out.

>>48794743
I dunno, I like the syndic spinoff. The romance is awful, but the spaceships are still cool, and it has terrible ground tactics too!

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>>48762517
When Poul Anderson is writing about imperium and spies instead of traders and federation, he does decent space opera. Nails the 'Traveller' feeling in my mind. I think he had a book called 'Star Fox' unrelated that I read a few months back and liked. Space privateering.

The Lost Fleet series has already been mentioned.
It also has a sequel series called Beyond the Frontier (same characters, good), and From the Ashes, or Phoenix Stars, or something. I quite like that one, it's about rebels in the corporate-fascist syndic world breaking away and trying to figure out how to do literally anything else. Very south-american-meets-eastern-bloc-politics kind of feel to it, and it vastly reduces the number of ships involved, (which kinda seemed to be a problem in the Lost Fleet proper.)

Mike Resnick's The Outpost, Santiago, Return of Santiago; are all space western first and space opera second. Very good though. I think he also wrote Second Contact, a scifi thriller about a lawyer and no aliens, which still manages to be some interesting space opera.

Heinlein; The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Starship Troopers. Classics, great. No, Troopers doesn't make him a fascist anymore than Moon makes him an anarchist.

Roger Zelazny's Lord of Light is Scifi disguised as hindu mythology. Top marks.

David Brin's Uplift books are amazing. I even liked the Uplift Storm trilogy, though as >>48789729 fuck Reety so goddamn hard. I threw the third book across the room when a chapter ended like she died, then she came back a few later. Despite that, it's great worldbuilding and I love the setting and aliens. HFY done right.

Harry... Harrison? I think? Does the Stainless Steel Rat, which is less space opera and more space criminal hijinks.

I guess David Weber (and maybe Steve White? OR Eric Flint?) co-wrote some books for a tabletop universe, Starfire or something. In Death Ground, Shiva Option, Insurrection, Crusade, maybe one or two more? Weren't awful.

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>>48794690
Watching it in my native language enhances how much attention I can pay to it.

>>48794806
>It's usually a better option to slightly rewrite dialogue than to faithfully translate things like aphorisms or word choice
No it's not. And if you think that you are a fucking idiot. Faithfully translating things is the job of the translator and if they aren't doing their job the translation is crap.
>puns usually can't be directly translated
>What are TL notes?

>>48794851
Then you are a fucking pleb that has no right watching anime. Get out.

>>48794869
jesus /a/, you have a whole board to yourself.

>>48794854
You sound like you dont know what you are talking about. I suggest meditating a bit to regain your focus.

>>48777864
He meant to kill her off purely because it was HORNBLOWER IN SPESSS.

Then the dumbass fell in love with his own character.

>>48794878
This.
Go back home, /a/, we actually enjoy anime here sometimes.

>>48794882
>You sound like you dont know what you are talking about.
And you sound like a bumbling idiot. What a coincidence.
>>48794878
>muh /a/ boogyman

>>48794903
>unable to meditate, so he gets mad on 4chan
Oh you poor unfocused soul.

>>48794928
>implying being able to focus on something means I'm unfocused

>>48794854
>Faithfully translating things is the job of the translator
So it's superior to translate the direct, literal definition of words rather than the intended meaning that the original artist was trying to convey?

That makes no sense, and I think you know that as well as I do. This isn't even about subs or dubs anymore. Subs do this sort of thing too. This is purely about how things should or shouldn't be translated.

If a Japanese writer uses a euphemism or aphorism or adage or so on that the translator knows a Western audience won't get, it's better to use a different Western saying with the same general intent rather than say a literal translation whose actual point will go unrecognized.

The ultimate conclusion of your "literal is the only way" idea of translation is badly-mangled phrasing and grammar and word choice done by automated translator dictionaries like Google Translate which may faithfully convey the meaning of each word but are helpless against literally every other means of conveying meaning - such as word choice, tone, subtext, implication, euphemism, innuendo, sarcasm, grammar ordering, deliberate error, various forms of wordplay, cultural context, and connotation.

All of those things are lost in a literal translation; translation is far more than simply finding a matching word in a language-A-to-language-B dictionary. A proper translation involves processes of judgment and alteration, editing, and yes, even creativity, because the literal word meaning is a surprisingly small portion of how we use language to communicate and express ideas.

>>48794795
Ah was that it? I liked the psycho spanish guy too who was basically Zapp Branigan and then went mental when he realized he was actually shit.

>>48794806

Oh I dropped him afterward as I moved onto the Deathstalker series. I'll check it out, though steampunk is always a bore fest of 'How exciting was Turn of the Century England?' except everyone wears fucking brass bling.

>>48794843
Nah the romances broke me. I will give that the ship combat was good. I never understood how the Marines put up with the fleet. In Lost Fleet theres a couple of moments where the Syndics are actually humanized. Like when the ground team find a note reading 'Yeah the drawer sticks so give it a wiggle' or something like that.

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>>48794994
Stop making waves you guilty fucking Jian.

>>48782340
You're a reasonable person who recognizes that taste is subjective, and varies from individual to individual?

>>48795010
I haven't read it so I'm purely going off descriptions of the setting, but I believe his fantasy series - called Pillars of Reality - is more "lost tech" than "glue brass gears to everything" - the setting has arbitrary tech levels because of some ancient conspiracy or some shit.

I accidentally got spoiled on this point, but they were actually a colony sent by some forgotten civilization and the early founders of that colony tightly restricted technology for reasons I don't know yet but are probably going to come up in the plot, hundreds of years later it's forgotten by most people

>>48794994
>still being mad he cant focus enough to meditate

>>48795010
Falco? Battlecruiser captain. Though apparently he got to his spot through politics rather than talent.
They eventually reached the point that the thing that went the fastest with the most guns was considered the best, so yep, battlecruisers. Though IIRC he mentions the battleship captains to be competent too, and trusted one to lead a part of the fleet.

>>48795096
Wasn't that his niece?

>>48795096
>Though apparently he got to his spot through politics rather than talent.
Literally all of Jack Campbell's books have this as a major theme - officers who come into position due to office politics and being the best at bureaucratic ass-covering, who end up being useless when it counts. Even his first series, published under his real name (John Hemry), about american space marines on the moon, is mostly about that.

No surprise there: The writer was a naval intelligence officer and retired at the rank of Lt. Cdr.

>>48794854
I hope Ted Woolsie beats you to death.

>>48795096
>Though IIRC he mentions the battleship captains to be competent too, and trusted one to lead a part of the fleet.
I think they were 'competent, but failing to show proper enthusiasm for charging straight at the enemy',

>>48795120
A lot of them have commands because they're good at it, though. Completely incompetent politicians are still the exception.
Well, "good at it"... The way they are in the series before Geary teaches them proper tactics again.
I'm... not sure that could even apply to anyone before he comes back, really. I mean, both sides are just massing fleets and then sending them toward each other at high speed with not much thought involved at that level. I guess the guys who decide which ships/fleet go in which systems are still good, though?

>>48795228
That sounds like it.

>>48795324
iirc, the guys who decide which ships go where are useless, so the fleet commanders just lie to them about squadron makeup.

>>48795386
I like the part where the beancounters had devised automated systems for nano-managing ships down to which crewmembers were assigned which berths, and the ship captains therefore had developed automated systems for generating plausible acceptance and acknowledgement responses with just the right amount of complaint to make them seem real.

>>48794886
Fans too, sadly, and I imagine publishers most of all

>>48794701

http://annleckie.tumblr.com/post/125529613161/whats-the-deal-with-the-radchai-dyson-sphere

Apparently it was intended to be a literal Dyson Sphere. I mean, yes, death of the author. But still. Where did they get it? Because the Radch we see sure as fuck couldn't build something like that.

Though I like your interpretation better. Makes things less crazy in the background.

>>48792315
I can't think of any good serie dominated be females. And plenty of ones were reducing the female cast would have been pretty good for the history, like the Wheel of time.

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>>48770328
>lesbians
Dropped.

>>48796769
OR ARE THEY?

>>48790633
Yeah, Event Horizon is retarded, and if I had seen the thread suggesting it to you, I would've spoken up. The bumblefuck town where I went to college had one theater, which got a single new movie every week. I hadn't seen any advertisements for Event Horizon, but the poster there had a big spaceship on it, and I'm always down for science fiction, so I bought a ticket, because it was maybe once a month that the movie they got was in an interesting genre. Wow, was that a mistake. If it had been something like Alien, which blended science fiction and horror elements without compromising either, that would've been fine. But that's not at all what I got.

On the flipside though, I went into The Matrix without having a clue what it was about beyond the name. That was a pleasant surprise.

>people in this very thread dont like event horizon
I don't have a picture of a chinese general scowling hard enough to express my dissaproval.