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Fuck posted the wrong pic.

>>48686619
But 40k already has space marines, how are they going to add space marines to Age of Emperor?

>>48686619
Time to completely merge AoS and 40k together

Dipshits can't even get 40,000 spelled right.

>40,00

>>48686743
Games Workshop doesn't have a single copy editor in their entire employee pool it seems.

>>48686621
Oh boy, we're going to get a wargame based on the fourth millenium?

>>48686743
Is it impossible to fire people in the UK or something? You think after all their shit editing jobs SOMEONE would get canned by now.

>>48686765
>>48686798
If games Workshop employed editors, or even proof readers of any kind, how did the Grey Knights book get into print?

>>48686619

Am I the only one who wouldn't mind advancing the timeline to early 42nd millenium?

>>48686872
>Am I the only one

No. You are not. Your opinion, however, is shit. GW's current batch of writers are the worst they've had in decades. WHFB's End Times story was a complete clusterfuck and the current AoS material is, regardless of what you think of the change in tone compared to WHFB, extremely poorly written with incoherent factions and a setting that doesn't hang together. GW is barely capable of keeping 40k's setting together as it is. They don't have anywhere near the necessary talent to make meaningful changes to it.

>>48686872
yes, you are the only one

nobody else on the tg shares this very popular opinion

nobody

only you

>>48686973
> AoS material is, regardless of what you think of the change in tone compared to WHFB, extremely poorly written with incoherent factions and a setting that doesn't hang together

I don't see how. AoS settin

>>48686872
The thing is 40k has no storyline it is a setting. A static setting, with flavour thrown around to give a sense of time.

Unless memory fucks with me, it has been like that since 2nd.

>>48687395
... Are you serious? You aren't serious are you? 40k has had a timeline for some time now.

>>48687420
As in setting wise, not an actual progression. It has been stuck in the same millennium for years now.

>>48687395
Since RT. They look at advancing it with the Eye of Terror campaign in 3e but that never went anywhere.

>>48687420
Timeline always ends in the same place.

>>48686849
They don't, it's pretty clear

>>48687420
I bet you started playing at most during 5th. Poor summer child.

Oh God, please, not AoS 40k

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>mfw I called this eight months ago
>mfw I said they will push/change/reinvent/ruin/fail 40k in the next 5 years
>mfw I long ago stopped caring about 40k and only enjoy reading new fluff with not a single $ invested in it.
>mfw it's like watching a car wreck hit a train wreck, crash in to a burning school full of retarded kids

40k is a garbage fire. Throw out everything and just port in the rules from AoS. Then advance the timeline. We've been stuck at five minutes to midnight for thirty years now, it's boring as fuck.

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Horus

People who want 40K to be more than a setting are ADHD kids who get bored way too easily. Explore the setting as-is. If you want a different setting, play something entirely different.

Even without investing in tabletop or anything the lore is and will always be the main attraction, I care more about the books than the actual game.

>stopped caring about 40k

Nobody can stop 'caring' about 40k. It's one of the most legendary settings around.

>>48688706
It is, but the majority of those who care about it have zero investment in it. They don't buy the models, they don't buy the books, they don't have a financial stake in the company.

>>48687962
Like this anon said.

I agree with you though, it is the biggest draw is the varied lore and theme of it.

Haven't paid attention to WHF, what's so bad about AoS?

>>48688607
>I have autism and change scares me

>>48688778
>I have a vested interest in not having my hobby unsported by a company I have supported for years.

>>48688778
>I have autism and I can't just play a different game.

>>48688738

It's also great to watch fandom shitstorms when GW changes shit.

>>48688746
The short and dirty is that it replaced WHF while having a radically different tone/aesthetic, so it pissed off the existing fans somethign fierce. I also think the new lore is shit even when you don't compare it to WHF/view it through nostalgiagoggles, but that's just a personal opinion.

>CAPTCHA has you click [X] until there are none left
Has this ever actually worked? Every time, it says I mistyped the captcha and have to do another one anyway.

>>48688803
If that means caninc the abomination that we have now and getting new rules I'm all in.
>>48688805
>I can't enjoy a fictional setting if company selling plastic toys tells me that it's not real

Age of Emperor now!

GOOD RULES NOW!

DOWN WITH 7e!

>>48688880
Was that as a result of WHF being less popular and not as profitable? All my 40k stuff is not in the boardgame aspect though, so I'll just stick to books and the FFL games I suppose.

>>48688943
We'll just go straight to Sigmar mode where you don't even use points.

>>48688961
the new thing isn't a board game, it's more like a new starter set

it also doesn't have an edition or anything like that

or the word starter set, just like the age of sigmar starter

it's a box with two forces and the rules, we're already there

>>48689009
Judging by the formation rules, we're already there

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Does this mean:
>MCs will be nerfed
>Bikes will be nerfed
>Psychic powers (invis lol) will be nerfed
>And melee will be buffed?

Because if all of those 4 things aren't happening at the same time, nothing will save 40k.

>>48689024
How very confusing, I'm not sure I like it

>>48689114
I'd be more on board if there wasn't a huge disparity between Walkers and GMCs

There's no reason why some are shittier than others, beyond
>"lol lets sell the tourney players new models"

If 40k gets the age of sigmar treatment where models become more important than rules, and almost all the attack values become a homogenized value across every army we could see a golden age where you can paint and play what you want.

Of course there will still be 40k players attached to the new game, which is a huge turn-off for me.

>>48686621
I'm still only up to my knees in lore, so I don't quite understand.
I know Baal as Sanguinius's homeworld, but what's bringing the Nids there?
What is the Damocles Gulf and why is it's burning out of the ordinary?

>>48688943
>Damocles Gulf
First official conflict between the Tau Empire and the Imperium of Man, the Tau got a slight look at the true vastness of the Imperium and their own comparative size. Needless to say, they are hopelessly outnumbered. It was, least I read, a uneasy ceasefire/peace given the advancement of Hivefleet Behemoth cutting through Imperium space. This appears to not be the case.

>Tyranids on Baal
Not established in mainstream background lore and must be something to do with a novel or some shit as it has been established in lore (but not to those in-universe) that the Astronomicon is what is drawing the Tyranids to the universe. No doubt it is some fuckery of Sanguinius and his gift of far-sight or something.

Or it could be just another dull novel set in the world with GW finally understanding how to build up hype and finally in to marketing.

>>48689196
I think Baal is significant because it means the Nids have en masse reached an actually important planet and not some backwater on the edge of the empire.
Damocles Gulf is Tau turf. I guess things are heating up there.

>>48688902
I am not a retard who subscribes to plot progress, realizing that it means my favorite setting will not get further explored. GW would channel its resources into exploring the new, updated timeline.

So, thanks but no thanks. I want to explore the status quo further. Now piss off.

>>48689350
Have you been living under a rock for the past decade, you caveman? This confirms that you are not a TT players.

>Damocles Gulf

Warzone Damocles, Kauyon, and Mont'ka. Look them up. They are about the Second Damocles Crusade.

>Tyranids on Baal

Look up the Shield of Baal campaign books.

Get updated.

>>48686621
>the Fenris system is beset by Warp horrors
Shit, I thought that was already resolved.
When the Imperial forces on Cadia had to retreat during the 13th Black Crusade Ragnar was fighting alongside them. And he returns to Fenris in The Young Wolf's Return, so I was assuming the Fenris conflict happens before the 13th Black Crusade.

And I seriously doubt this is 40k End Times, at least in the sense they would be scraping the fluff by moving the timeline forward. If you ask me they are just updating the fluff to have more shit happening at the end of the 41st millennium.
Because it's basically impossible to advance the fluff for more than a few dozen years without retconning a shitload of stuff or removing factions. They sure as hell won't remove factions because they would be unplayable on the TT. And retconns seem unlikely, what will all the stuff being added that makes the victory conditions of some races more possible, not less.
The Imperium now has the Omnicopaeia, the possibility of Russ returning and The Beast Arises further confirms that the Emperor is the only thing keeping Chaos at bay, preventing them from destroying reality, for instance.

>>48689549
>telling someone to look up the Tau wankfest that reads like an anime and was designed only to sell more mecha models to the Taufags

>>48688943
I'm going to say its going to be a time skip rather than an restart

same rules as AoS

Nids are going to get nerf hard since they would ruin said time skip

Eldar will have their own small empire now Slaanch is mia

Archoan killed abby and took over the Eye of terror (implied)

Tau have grown into a real major power

Ultramar is back to 500 worlds

there's an Ultramar Eldar Necron and Tau alliance to fight nids

Emperor is awake but still a corpse and loyal primarchs are back

Farsight apotheosis when?

>>48689795
please no

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>>48686621
>tfw you've left the 40k universe early enough to never witness another Eldar fuckup

>>48689196
>but what's bringing the Nids there
Sangy is such a BAMF that anything he touches is better, thus more delicious for the Nids.

I only hope that Baal getting invaded somehow triggers a rebirth of Sangy and he goes to town on the Hive Fleet

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>>48689892
Isn't the Sanguinor fighting the Nids there?

>>48689795
>nids getting nerfed
Oh good now I can lose every battle in the lore and the table top

>>48689929
I wonder if the Nids reach Terra before Abaddon does. It'd be an interesting event to see.

>>48689929

... Which lore battles did you win?

>>48689954

What if Tyranids and Chaos reach an the same time and fight there forever? Could the Tyranid Hivemind prevent the rise of a new Eye of Terror?

>>48689795
>tau have grown into a real major power

HOW?
They are sandwiched between Nids and Ultramar. How are they going to grow? And to the status of MAJOR power. This implies to the level of Humanity, Orks, Nids, Chaos and Crons. How do they get from the piss-ant tier they share with Eldar into being actually important?

>>48689982
>Emprah deliberately attracted the Tyranids to Terra so Abby's forces will be forced to fight them

>>48689987

Either they keep expanding naturally, like Dark Age of Humanity did, or they receive further help from whoever is behind their rise.

>>48689957
Nothing major yet, its just the fact that when the full tyranid fleet arrives they cant actually be stopped
>>48689954
My two favorite factions are CSM and Nids so Id love to see it from a Admistratums perspective as they watch the space around terra explode in bodies as the two factions fight over who gets to kill them

>>48690011
>keep expanding
Into Marine Territory?

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>>48690062
>when the full tyranid fleet arrives they cant actually be stopped

>>48690062
>its just the fact that when the full tyranid fleet arrives they cant actually be stopped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Crons say 01101000 01101001

>le ebins 40k End Times meme
Give it up OP, it's not happening. This isn't anymore a sign of some sort of end times than the 13th Black Crusade was decades ago.

>>48690078

Tyranids will weaken Ultramar and destroy everything beyond the Firewall. The Enclave will fall and this will be the moment Farsight will fulfil his destiny.

>>48686872

I've never understood this obsession with the magical 42nd millenium, like as soon as we get there it will be magical and shit.

The Imperium has existed for 10,000 years - and in basically the same form for roughly the last 5,000 of those. More develops in this massive period of time would be most interesting, and are only held back by the whimpering fanboys of factions that weren't doing anything at that point.

Which is really the main problem of the 40k timeline is everything comes in so LATE

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>>48690087
muh scouting fleets

>>48688706

Anyone who actually cares about the 40k setting just plays the RPGs and vidja these days.

>>48690171
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>>48689689
I plat a little overwatch and return to more of this. WHY.

>When the Imperial forces on Cadia had to retreat during the 13th Black Crusade Ragnar was fighting alongside them. And he returns to Fenris in The Young Wolf's Return, so I was assuming the Fenris conflict happens before the 13th Black Crusade.

You are confusing things. The Curse of Wulfen is the set up that will bring the ENTIRE faction of the Wolves to the Cadian Gate to take command of the Imperial forces. It happens just before the 13th Black Crusade. Ragnar, Ulric, and Logan are confirmed to be on Cadia at the end of the timeline.

>>telling someone to look up the Tau wankfest that reads like an anime and was designed only to sell more mecha models to the Taufags

I don't care about your opinion. I told him to go to the source that will update his outdated info about the Tau and show him where they are currently in the 999 41K.

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What if GW learned from the AOS fiasco and instead of killing 40k they just add lots of new stuff, like dunno... Emps becomes finally a god and gets an army of imperial daemons?

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>>48690143
>tfw you've survived into the 42nd millenium

>>48690143
I am a Necron player. My faction has only 200 years of relevancy in the 40K setting and they only became something major in 990+ 41K and most of their important lore happens in 999 41K. So I have only 9 years in the setting to enjoy. Which is bullshit. I want to go to 42K to expand my factions lore.

>>48690011
Expanding where?
The Imperium, which will soon be full of incorruptible psykers and the Emperor leading a new Great Crusade?
Against the main Tyranid force?
Or if the Imperium fails, there are all of these charming possibilities for the Tau to expand to, like through the biggest WAAAGH ever when Ghaz unites all the Orks. Or against the now expanding Dark Imperium when Abaddon crowns himself the new Emperor. Or strike against a unified Necron empire encircling them. Maybe they can try to force the Eldar to bow down to them, once the Eldar start retaking the galaxy once again under Ynnead? Better yet, maybe they can hope that the Chaos Gods will keep their part of the galaxy part of the Matterium, while everywhere else reality will be literally devoured by the Warp until only Chaos remains.

All of these events are so close to happening that it's impossible for the Tau to somehow gain enough manpower, advance technologically and somehow secure any of their expansions, to be considered more than a small player that will get steamrolled by whoever wins.

>>48690272
That was my point. We know that the Chaos forces attacking Fenris will fail, because the Space Wolves are fighting on Cadia. That's why this isn't the 40k End Times rewamp but just GW adding some more fluff just before the current end of the timeline.

>>48690441
>That was my point. We know that the Chaos forces attacking Fenris will fail, because the Space Wolves are fighting on Cadia. That's why this isn't the 40k End Times rewamp but just GW adding some more fluff just before the current end of the timeline.

Oh then I misunderstood your post. Sorry.

#bringbackthesensei

>>48690441

>All of these events are so close to happening.

Nah. These events could take centuries to unfold. It's a big galaxy and the Imperium has been rotting for more than thousands years since the Age of Apostasy and following the Age of Redemption and Waning.

>>48690272

If that's from Eye of Terror campaign it's going the way of Storm of Chaos.

>>48690562
It's from a recent ADB novel "Ragnar Blackmane".

>>48690558
>the Imperium is amassing a giant crusade for the Omnicopaeia and the primarchs might return soon
>the 13th Black Crusade is the most dangerous one yet and the first one that has the actual goal of conquering the Imperium and the means to do so
>more and more Orks are fighting under Ghaz, who is now heading towards that giant Ork v Tyranid fight
>more and more Necron Tombworlds are becoming operational
>the Golden Throne is failing so it's possible that the Emperor dies, even if Abaddon fails or if he manages to betray the Chaos Gods
>the Tyranid main fleet could possibly arrive any second now
>the Eldar's prophecies of the Rhana Dandra are getting fulfilled one by one
It's impossible that not a single one of these events will not happen in the next century or two. Abaddon, the Imperium and the Eldar are possibly only a dozen years away from it. By the second half of the 42nd Millenium the galaxy will only have on ruler and, in a best case scenario for the other factions, only minor and scattered opposing forces that only survive because they haven't been discovered yet.

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>>48686619
>>48686621
>40k endtimes
No.
No please, no. Don't mess this up for me, Games Workshop.

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Hey /40kg/, wheres the best place to sell this stuff

Blood Angels ~2500 points 50% painted, tabletop+

DKoK ~2500 points painted to tabletop, FW and GW

CSM ~1500 points painted to tabletop, FW and GW

Night Lords Horus Heresy ~4000 points unpainted, 90% assembled, beautiful collection including Sevatar, and Kurze nib

2 GW Knights and a FW Castigator painted/based to tabletop+

Piecemeal on ebay? Local only? Idk how to get rid of this junk.

>example of painting

> Notice that AoS has no WAACfaggots
maybe end times for 40k will be a good thing.

The ship moves.

/tg already did a better job than whatever GW will shit out.

>>48686619
I'm just a memester who reads the wikis. What does all of this mean? Are they going to advance the "plot"? I thought the point was that nothing really changed, i.e., it's always down-hill, eternally.

>>48691172
You can only win if there are actual rules.
Dance around like a cunt to get an extra d6 is not a rule so much as a warning to society.

>>48688902
>If that means caninc the abomination that we have now and getting new rules I'm all in.
Yeah because Age of Sigmar is so good.
t. GW shill

>>48689689
>The Imperium now has the Omnicopaeia, the possibility of Russ returning and The Beast Arises further confirms that the Emperor is the only thing keeping Chaos at bay, preventing them from destroying reality, for instance.

Explain what the Omnicopaei is, is based Russ really coming back and what was said in The Beast Arises please. Also did Vulkan really come back and didn't he hint that Dorn was still alive?

>>48688880
Don't forget the Rules...

>>48689689

>The Imperium now has the Omnicopaeia

Since when? The last time I heard of it, it is in a bloody Daemon World and the Skitarii were going to launch an invasion. Chances of being corrupted by demons is near 100%.

>>48688746
Everything is magic in a magical world of demons and angels fighting for turf they don't need, and nothing ever matters.

>>48686621
IT'S HAPPENING

>>48691712
It's basically an STC that contains all kinds of psyker things that could potentially kick start the human evolution. Just google it for the whole Codex entry.
Russ might return alongside the Wulfen.
In the Beast Rises some Eldar get to Terra because they want to warn the Imperium that the Orks aren't the real threat and they must not forget about Chaos. The Shadow Seer confirms the Codex entries that state that if the Emperor dies then the Warp will burst into the galaxy and Chaos will consume reality.
Idk about Vulkan, I know he is in the series but haven't read the book yet.

And as >>48691776 says, Russ and the STC aren't actually confirmed. My point was that GW is giving the factions better chances and more means of achieving their victory condition, so them rebooting 40k is impossible, not that any of the factions is a confirmed winner.
Except for Tau of course, for all the stupid wanking they received their actual position in the galaxy hasn't improved one bit.

>>48689196

The Imperium got buttflustered over the Tau beating them and lit the whole Gulf on fire with plasma or something as a "fuck you"

>>48691868
>Except for Tau of course, for all the stupid wanking they received their actual position in the galaxy hasn't improved one bit.

The greatest threat to their security, which is the Imperium, got his back broken in the Eastern Fringes and is now collapsing on a galactic scale. I say that's a plus.

>>48690367
>an army of imperial daemons?
Shiny golden giants in armour, with Storm in their names ?

>>48691954
>The greatest threat to their security, which is the Imperium
>Not the Tyranids

>>48691954
>collapsing on a galactic scale
the imperium has been slowly collapsing almost constantly since the heresy

>>48690367
>an army of imperial daemons?
So exactly like Age of Sigmar?

>>48686619

>Just get into 40K a year ago
>Spend close to a grand on my army
>End Times Is Coming

I swear if all our models get shit canned i'm going to go postal.

>>48692003
But never at this rate. An entire Segmentum went dark with no communication or Light of Terra reaching it. The Light of the Golden Throne is receding while the power of Chaos grows as it batters the thin walls of reality.

>>48691952
The Tau didn't win artard, the Imperium was gearing up to totally wipe them out but had stop the offensive because of the Tyranids

>>48691172
Up until 1 month there were no points nor army comp. Since then WAAC have already started to appear.

>>48687302
Your average AoS player right here.

>>48688738
Agreed. I just roleplay on the Pathetic Marines thread, or contribute to creating the Huge Marines, or have fun discussing the lore on here. At this point, the best system for 40k is probably Dark Heresy, or Rogue Trader, or something that doesn't involve buying a Fuckton of minis, painstakingly painting them, then playing a hopelessly imbalanced system with them.

>>48689350
>It was, least I read, a uneasy ceasefire/peace given the advancement of Hivefleet Behemoth cutting through Imperium space. This appears to not be the case.

The imperium got so butthurt by the Tau that after the Admech swooped in and stole some tech they wanted the imperium pulled out and nuked the whole system with half the imperium forces still stranded and left to die.

Tau Empire is effectively cut off from the rest of space now except Farsight who is on the otherside and cut off from the Empire with the rest of the survivours who'll end up joining him just to survive.

>>48687456
They've retconned parts of EoT back now though, Mechanicus codexes mention Moredrax being lost and becoming Moredakka.

Either way there's no point in making a fuss, there will not be any form of mongoloid AoS-ification, not after GW have seen how badly that went with WFB.
All rumours and logic point toward everything being more campaigns along the lines of the Space Wolf one, that brings some kind of cataclysmic clash between various factions and characters, daemon primarchs and all, only to leave the result open at 4 minutes to midnight instead of 5.

>>48692146
I like how you didn't correct him by saying that his fluff is 200 years outdated in the setting.

And I like how you made grievous mistakes. The Admech nuked one planet and then ignited the Damocles Gulf which is an empty and hazardous patch of space.

There are four functional septs (not counting the worlds of Dovar and the FSE) beyond the Gulf. The bulk of the TSE expedition are in the same area with them so they are alright for the time being.

>>48690401
Necrons were sporadically active before that as well, they just weren't discovered to be a organized alien species by the Imperium.

>>48691172
Oh they have them alright, even before they added points, just because the guys in your meta were decent doesn't magically means everyone are.

>>48692245
Disorganized and isolated tomb worlds that left no impact on the galaxy for thousands of years. It's the same as saying that Tyranids were active in the galaxy prior to the invasion of Behemoth because genestealer cults and vanguard organisms were active in the galaxy.

>>48692311
Sure, but that means you can still fluff about whatever your dudes did if they awoke during that time, and to play them in campaigns set in that timeline you can just assume they are mysterious forces unknown to the Imperium.
Hell, depending on where your dudes' worlds are, you could very well have a small empire out on the fringes that only Orks, human border worlds and other random aliens knew about.

>>48692363
I don't like to be sidelined in the corner of the galaxy so I cannot break the timeline of the setting. I don't want to play hide and seek with the Imperium. I want a dynasty that out in force to conquer the galaxy and I cannot have that until the late period of the setting. The only way I can get more of that is to have the setting advance because the era of great dynastic expansion unfortunately at the very late section of the timeline because fuck me for being a Necron player.

>>48692459
So write a story about your Tomb Kings in space

>>48692490
Need bigger timeline where the Necrons are more active. Need to expand the timeline two centuries or three into 42K.

>>48692539
In no way whatsoever do you need that.

>>48686621
huh?

Eldrad has been dead for a whole while in the current timeline.
So this isn't news?

Besides do you really think GW is gonna market any 40k product with 'look how lighthearted this is'?

>>48692561
Eye of Terror was retconned so he is alive and well. His original plan in EoT was to stop the C'tan Gods from destroying the Blackstone Fortresses that Abaddon wanted to use on Cadia. With them destroyed, there would be no weapon left in the galaxy that can harm the C'tan. The C'tan would come out and conquer all.

Of course, we know that the C'tan are no more. They are sharded so there is no point for Eldrad being there. The new fluff is more open for him being written to go anywhere.

>>48692557
I need it if I want to create a large multiple sector large dynasty. 200 years is not enough. I need more time.

>>48692638
>Eye of Terror was retconned so he is alive and well.
Jesus. I'm so sick of GW changing their minds every two minutes.
Holy fuck. Read one thing and a week later it's not even relevant anymore.

>>48692702
They retconned EoT a decade ago.

>>48692717
I know. It's just one of many things though.

Leaving things vague and somewhat up to your imagination is great for a sandbox setting like 40k, but if somebody dies in no uncertain terms they should stay dead.
That is final.

>>48692717
They just wrote parts of it back in again though, so all bets are off.

>>48692662
Why not wake up a century or two early - there's mention of early risers going back thousands of years before M40.999 in the Necron codex

>>48689114
>nerfing bikes

Fuckoff

>>48690171
>retards think this is a literal example of the fleet size

Im an Ork player and I want depth and lore to my faction. I want love stories, legendary items, tales of sacrifice and legends conquering in the name of what is important while always triumphing in the face of impossible odds while retaining their own goals in mind.

Oh wait, nevermind, i dont give a flying fuck about any of those because my faction is awesome and doesn´t need it. Needs more dakka however. And make it red so it goes faster.

while we´re at it:

WAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!

>>48686633
Do you remember centurions?

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>tfw have been in the hobby for almost 10 years now
>tfw 40k is getting canned for it to become an AOS clone
>tfw so much time and money wasted

WAKE ME UP

Where do you pirate your GW fluff now that Kickass Torrents and BranStark went down?

Has he started uploading his 40k torrents somewhere else?

>>48694015
So we need walkers piloted by centurions?

>>48689954
Actually this might be the plan.
Abbadon sees the massive hivefleet stealing his glory amd deploys all he has against them, erryone else joins in cuz sales and one big event later everything is the same.

>>48686621
good. i am sick and tired of all these bloated rules.

just write a new rulebook from scratch (not a piece of paper like aos)
and rewrite all codex's at the same time as a free pdf.

everything balanced and dont fuck up again and make the newest army the strongest.

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>>48691673
>aos
>do a little dance
>get an extra d6

Legit chuckled, anon.
Thanks.

>>48691712
Vulkan lives, he will disappear at the end of the series once the beast is slain. He told the last IF that he'll tell Dorn himself that his son is doing his chapter proud.

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>>48686619
>40k end times and age of the emperor
>ever happening
Sad panda has said it isn't happening (pic related). high level GW employees say it isn't happening. major BL writers say it isn't happening. Many rumormongerers besides sad panda have said it isn't happening.

So no. End times is not happening. Only a person fishing for replies would say otherwise.

>>48690401
We've been active forever. Just not as whole or as anything meaningful. Written that way so Necrons can just pop anywhere and anytime but usually as praetorians.

What's BS is that if written any further, the whole setting would just be Orks, Chaos, Nids and Crons. With Crons being the dominant race right next to Orks

>>48692012
We got imperial demons already anon.
Legion of the damned

>>48695512
>rumormongers

You mean the same kinde that """leaked"""" that new CSM codex featuring mounted noise marines a few months ago ? Reliable as fuck man.

>all these people who think that 40k is supposed to be about a central story and want it to proceed rather than understanding that it's supposed to be a setting you use as a framework to tell your own stories in

I guess this is what happens when you stop letting kids fail. The saddest thing though is that these people now work at GW and their poor understanding of everything is what has led to the massive decline in quality in every aspect from GW over the last several years.

>>48696572
This so much. 40K is great in that you are free to make up your own Space Marine chapter, Dark Eldar cabal, Daemonic host ect battling in every locale imaginable along with snowflakes and ongoing canon campaigns here and there. It is sad as they will try to use this as a tool in order to reboot 40K in order to appeal to a "wider audience" like they did with Fantasy. Meaning even worse rules and lore.

At least Forgeworld seems to care.

>>48686973
Can you elaborate on AoS? My knowledge is limited to the dumb names.

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>>48696649
>>48696572
Agreed. I felt the same way about WHFB, but not so much with AoS. I don't mind stories and events like the 13th Black Crusade and such happening as worldwide events that GW (used to) integrate into the lore, but making 40K/WHFB one central mass storyline? No thanks.

I'm not going to spout hysteria and throw around "40K End Times" because I'm not sure that's the case. But due to AoS being a thing it seems like a possibility now and I'm a little more worried. We'll just have to see what happens in the future.

Wait, they added space marines to fantasy? What?

>>48696815
Have.... Have you been on /tg/ at any point in the past year and a half or so?

Cause you is out of the loop, boyo.

>>48696897
I've not been up to date on Warhammer for quite some time, no.

Surely these claims aren't literal?

>>48696949
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Stormcast-Eternals-Paladins-Decimators

Not quite literal but uh... They're not exactly an exaggeration either.

>>48696949
In the strictest sense, no.

But Fantasy now includes gigantic men-spirits, clad in ornate baroque armor, carrying oversized melee weapons, as well as "fantasy ranged weapons that totally aren't magic cannon-bolter things", and all this at the behest of Sigmar, the local God-Emperor of humanity.


https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Stormcast_Eternals

Behold them.

>>48696712
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Warhammer-Age-of-Sigmar-Rules

Here are the rules. The fact that it's only a 4 pages read tells a lot on its own.

>>48696985
>>48696991
People buy in to this nonsense?

>>48697014
Apparently AoS is quite popular.

>>48697014
Apparently. I'm not one of them. I think the new setting is trash compared to the decades of worldbuilding in Fantasy and the new models look tacky to me. But that's my opinion.

>>48697047
And because of this 40k is getting canned too now

>>48697099
The new Woodelves where all right. Much better than the Sigmarines. And if you don't paint the Orcs sorry Orruks like GW did then they look alright to.

>>48697133
I guess that's fair. The Orcs would look much better in their previews if they weren't TONKA TUFF yellow.

>>48697047
Not really.

>>48697099
>>48697047
>>48697014
Some of the new models are nice I must admit. I'm eagerly waiting for them to do the main Elf release. I'm sure the models will be cool.

The setting however, I don't care for. Warhammer Fantasy was grounded in one world. This new thing has some crazy multi-dimensional universe with gates between realms that everyone fights over all the time and I'm not quite sure what anyone is trying to accomplish in it.

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>>48686973
But think of the short term sales.

>>48697129
yay. I have no idea why gaming companys seem to think that they need to move the 'plot' forward. It's not like it matters in these types of game. The only reason for moving the plot forward is so they can release new races, units, factions or characters. But even then all you have to do is just retcon it to say that they were always there. Like they did with the Tau and Necrons.

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>>48686619
>>48686621
Doesn't effect the Horus Heresy and I've been looking at Infinity anyway

>>48697225
The problem isn't them moving the plot, the problem is they will certainly can 7th to make 40k into a beer and pretzels game like they did with fantasy.

>>48697014
Yes indeedy do. I don't usually let my oldfag grognard mode flag fly, but yeah, I disagree with everything about it, from the casualization of the rules and fluff, to the utterly uninspired structure of NuFantasy.

>>48697225
Or just add more tbqh, a galaxy is a huge place

>>48697353
7th edition 40k is already a dogshit game as bad as AoS so it doesn't make any difference.

>>48697185
In AoS there are 9 realms. Until just recently 8/9 of them were under chaos's control. Then Order (a conglomeration of humans, elfs, dorfs, and lizardmen) began a massive counter attack and have begun to retake the realms from Chaos, due in part to Khorne being a team killing fucktard & slaanesh being missing.
Nagash is just a dick, tried to betray Sigmar hoping to make a truce with chaos. Didnt work, now the undead are fighting both sides.
Destruction is just orcs and ogres being orcs and ogres.

>>48697225
And why would "moving the plot forward" necessarily imply setting wide disaster that change everything?
This is not a story being told, that's events happening. You can tell stories, advancing plot points without the whole galaxy exploding.

>>48697378
This.

It's well established that while the Imperium controls the majority of the galaxy it doesn't control all of it, nor does the Astronomicon reach the entire galaxy.

Plenty of space for a new faction to appear.

>>48697483
Or just make not!skaven into actual!skaven?

>>48697470
Do you even 40k, brah?

>>48697483
Who the fuck wants new factions when they don't even support 80% of the existing factions?

>>48697378
They should do local campaigns, create a sector with its own characters, factions and stakes and have fun with it for a while before creating another. Anyone can win since it won't fuck up the whole setting and yet have real consequences.

Think of the Sabbat crusade: it's only one crusade in one sector, not a galaxy wide event that will decide the fate of the galaxy and yet it's easy to get invested in it. And when you can have all kind of things happening in just a small part of the galaxy, and when the whole galaxy isn't at stake at every turn, it make the setting look so much bigger. The fact that the whole Imperium could fall or stand depending on a single world like Cadia is bullshit that only lessen the scale of the setting.

>>48697620
This so much.
I want to see a campaign that wont get retconned and results have meaningful, lasting results.
And bragging rights are meaningful to me.

>>48697620
That sounds awesome. GW will never do it.

I feel like GW have completely forgotten that Warhammer is all about your own army. Too many retarded fanboys think the same these days as well. Just look at /tg/ calling every homebrew special snowflake shit regardless of quality.

>>48697776
I'd like to see that too. It'd also be nice if GW offered some assurance that they wouldn't manipulate the results to let their preferred faction win. Whatever happens happens and the writers have to work with it. I mean I figure that's what they get fucking paid for.

>>48697832
b-but the homebrew armies are one of my favourite things to see

>>48686621
>Tyranids closing in on Baal

I thought Baal's problem was Skarbrand planning at absolutely fucking massive Chaos Incursion on them.

>>48697917
Pff! That was last month's flavor - next month, TAU!

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Have we started the fire?

>>48697453
You didn't play AoS then. I did. I sold my 5 years old Skaven army not long after.

>>48698093
Yes, the fire rises.

>>48697852
Huh.....
Yknow what would be cool?
Have each big store as its own "sector", and the results from each can influence neoghbors.
>those asses in the next city over lost the hive city to the nods dammit! Now the nid players here get to take a free squad of gargoyles!
>lucky we defended the garrison last month, so we get a hydra!
Drives sales and continuity ensures people are painting and usijg new ones to find an edge.
Also, call in that tourney winner from the next city over to help your lame ass locals kek

>>48698321
>nids
>ig
>even existing anymore let alone liking gw enough to patronise their stores

>>48698093
Pretty much; Turns out you dont need a good setting, fully customizable miniatures, the ability to make your army your own. All you need is half-way decent rules, and 15.99 pre-painted miniatures

>>48698408
Top kek.
I collect both anon, and yes i still exist.
Currently making an armoured battalion, so yeah i still patronise my local GW

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>People still play 40k competatively
>In a world where Formations, MC creature spam co-exist with abominations like the Chaos and Orks codex

>People get mad that AoS' setting is too big, and is too ill defined, thus stifling their creativity by having your every action mean nothing.
>People applaud 40k because its setting open and vast, saying it boosts creativity since theres enough room for anything. And its okay lol, nothing matters because grimdark.

Honestly, this thread feels like it full of hypocrites. Because, honestly? Have any of you played 40k in the last few months? Its a fucking mish-mash of special rules, and special rules that negate special rules, and formations that let you do stupid shit like get free Transports for your army, or give you free upgrades for EVERYTHING in your army. And this is in a game where Riptides, Wraithknights and D-Strength weapons are flung about willy nilly, while guys like the Dark Eldar get pissed on for even TRYING to play their faction. You know, even if AoS is just bullshit dice rolling, its still more balanced than the turd that 40k is.

And, for some idiot reason, people keep saying that there's "Nothing to fight for" in the Realms, or theres no reason, or everything is meaningless in AoS. Well, newsflash; they've already done this ala 40k. Tell me how having a Chapter of Spacemarines protecting a Planet in the milky way is any different from a Host of Stormcast protecting a city in the realms? Fuck, its even a selling point in 40k: Everything is meaningless, and the only winners are the Darkgods. That chapter, Regiment, Orderos of yours? It'll probably die in a humiliating way, get censored by the Imperium at large, forgotten by everyone, and in a thousand years, a copy cat chapter that has no actual correlation, to the OG chapter, will pop up to repeat the cycle. Nothing you do matters, or, at the very least, it doesnt matter any more than AoS' conflicts. Whether you win or lose, the universe goes on.

>>48698731
Anon unless you're clinically retarded and haven't read any 40k fluff, you know the cities you're fighting for, just as you know the cities you were fighting for in Warhammer Fantasy. Meanwhile Age of Sigmar has absolutely zero world building fluff, and I know fuckall about how civilians even exist in Age of Sigmar, what they do, what their culture is, or why I should give a damn.

But hey man, b8 on.

>>48698963
What the fuck do you expect people to be doing in 40k or WHFB that is so temendously different from Age of Sigmar? You have your Hiver/Peasabt wake up, go to work at the factory, go home, repeat ad infintium until they die.

For WHFB and 40k, which each have 10+ years of world building, whole RPGs and ten times more novels based in then AoS, what exactly do we learn about the non-fighting population? Oh, thats right; they're just the same old idiot civilians. They're people; what more do you want from them? There's nothing remotely different about them from any other settings civilian population. Sure, they have their quirks, but they all go straight back to the Wargame.

But hey, your right; we do know about the people of 40k/WHFB far better, after years of shifting through the mountains upon moutains of lore based on fighting. But, 40k and WHFB still share the same problem with AoS; why the hell should I care about this podunk village/Sector?

And this is of course, glossing over the Three new cities added to the fluff, the entirety of Azyr we've learned about, and the numerous other locations we've seen or heard about. This also forgetting that the Realms have been under the control of Chaos for centuries; You dont stay a civilian long in that sort of scenario.

Overall, I say fuck civilians. If they were intresting, they'd be actually fighting, or at least DOING something instead of being just a liability/thing to protect.

>>48698731
The difference is that 40K and Fantasy have a large number of stories from back when GW could write things. AOS is completely trapped within the horror of current GW writers. You can't pull out your 15 year old Sigmarine army book for inspiration when you can no longer handle what's current.

>>48699477
So what your basically saying that AoS is shit, because GW is shit? Because I can agree to that. There is definite lack of characterization within the armies, because there simply isnt enough background; couple this with GW less than stellar current writings, and what you have is a viable and understandable reason for disliking Age of Sigmar. What I cant stand nor understand, is that people will attack AoS for its rules and certain aspects of its lore, despite both WHFB and 40k sharing it.

Despite the overall disparity between quality, you can hardly attack AoS for things that it takes from its predecessors.

>>48695512
Unreliable rumor monger and a single misquoted BL author that you misquoted AGAIN mean nothing. You are a piece of shit.

>>48697917
You mean Ka-pandaman. You know, the daemon who fought their primarch.

Seriously even something this simple you get wring.

>>48699838
Also there is high level GW empleyee statements about the end times. Anons lied.

Like I said before the anti-end times club are disinfoers.

>>48688607
No change, hi Nurglite.

>>48698433
>modern GW
>good setting
>good models
>the ability to make your army your own.
Yeah, because 40k rules designed sooo good.
>All you need is half-way decent rules,
kek

>>48699581
>I love soulless Planescape clone with Space Marines: the post

>>48699894
>Also there is high level GW empleyee statements about the end times.
And they said something simmilar about WHFB armies.

I love AoS, it has good rules, good balance and a steadily improving backstory.

Anything like that happened to 40k, it'd be an improvement over the bloated mess we have now.

>>48699838
>sadpanda
>unreliable
You wot m8?

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>>48699946
>I cant come up with a arguement, so here's an insult: the post

>>48699973
I know, right?

>>48700039
>behead all who insults noblebright Blood Angels

>>48700152
In what universe are brainwashed soldiers noblebright?

>>48700216
>paladins of justice and equality fighting against big, bad red dictators aren't noblebright

>>48700240
Not if they were brainwashed to do so, instead of doing it willingly. Their old identities are erased, with only little bits remaining.

>>48700289
>Not if they were brainwashed to do so
If the were brainwashed to lawful good it's still noblebright, unlike a lot of Space Marines who hates usual humans and don't care about civilians.

>>48700240
You've got yourself backwards. Stormfront eternals are unironic fascism worship from people looking at modern 40k and not understanding that it was born from and inspired by satire like 2000AD.

>>48700240
Whats wrong with good people who fighting for good things? And thats really summerizing the Stormcast, who in canon are basically mind wiped

>>48700379
They don't care, apparently that's still noblebright. And no different if they did it willingly.

>>48700359
>Brainwashing
>Ever being good in a million years
Its at best Lawful neutral to do so. Its even worse than Necromancy, because all that is doing is desecrating the remains of your foes.

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>>48686621
>Warhammer 40,00 universe

They couldn't even properly spellcheck the name of their own IP.

>>48700379
Nothing, Ultramerines very inteteresting chapter.
>>48700411
>Its at best Lawful neutral to do so.
Nope, they were brainwashed to fight for all good against the all bad things. This means they are very-very noblebright Space Marines (with BA design).

>>48700411
>Give men the noblest purpose in the universe and the means to enact it
>Worse than a necromancer
I think your morality is more than a bit off, friend.

>>48700377
>and not understanding that it was born from and inspired by satire like 2000AD.
It was satire in RT, but today GW writes about this with absolute serious face.

>>48700588
They did not ask for this. Some of them were taken against their will. A guy was a king who was returning to his pregnant wife and child when Sigmar took him. Leaving his kingdom kingless in the Age of Chaos.

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>>48686619
>>48686621
I mean, technically, 40k has been in the End Times since at least 5th edition (pic related).

To be fair, I would like it if they'd simplify the rules similar to what AoS did, but I don't see any way they can AoS the lore without completely cocking everything up (of course this is GW we're talking about; making idiotic decisions like that is well within their purview). This isn't some fantasy world that you can rebirth because magic and chaos and stuff. 40k explicitly takes place in the far future of the real world.

>>48700592
That's what I mean. Modern GW are retarded and they look at modern 40k in a cargo cult attempt to recreate its success in AoS but they don't understand the history of 40k and that is why AoS is so bad.

>>48700736
>40k explicitly takes place in the far future of the real world.

And fantasy takes place in the past of the real world. I mean look at the WHFB. It is the real world! Deeerp.

The Rhana Dandra is the event where both the material world and the Warp are destroyed in conflict. This will be followed by the rebirth of the Eldar race and possibly other races as well.

>>48700665
>Some of them were taken against their will.
So? Now they are super-paladins who fights against big evil dudes.
>A guy was a king who was returning to his pregnant wife and child when Sigmar took him.
Again. who cares about another noname kingdom in endless elemental realms

>>48700763
It's not bad though.

>>48700763
AoS is good though.

>>48689987
Probably like AoS with the gates connecting everybody, the web way will become everybody's highway allowing tau a safe and stable FTL travel, the bad part will be that they also will become more vulnerable because an imperium with web way will be able to move their troops faster and safer.

>>48690975
batertown or ebay

>>48700770
>I mean look at the WHFB. It is the real world! Deeerp.
Yeah because this idea was core of Moorcock multiverse, but WHFB world unrelated with our.

>>48700592
Rogue trader was crossover fanfiction not satire.

>>48700771
Piss off, Slav. Getting tired of you going back and forth supporting AoS and shitting on it.

>>48700801
>Getting tired of you going back and forth supporting AoS and shitting on it.
Excuse me?

>>48700771
Why should I give a shit about one of the trillions of Cadian regiments getting permission to colonize a planet? Or why a bunch of Orkz thrashed no name chapter's homeworld?

>>48700859
>Why should I give a shit about one of the trillions of Cadian regiments getting permission to colonize a planet?
Well Astra Millitarum really unimportant faction, but still even they holding Cadian Gate, which makes them more important than any non-Chaos or non-SM factions in AoS and WHFB.

>>48700859
Ignore him. He is a troll. Ask the whfb and aos threads about him. He is easy to recognize with his bad English and writing style.

>>48690141
>and this will be the moment Farsight will fulfil his destiny.
Die at the hands of Cato sicarius like that novel implied?

This looks like the perfect place to ask, if I wanted to start reading some 40k books where would I start. I was thinking the horus heresy series but if anyone has other suggestions I'm all ears.

>>48700925
>ignore everyone who talks bad about GW, they are just trolls.

>>48700892
Than thats similiar to me saying that the Hammers of Sigmar are really important to the setting, because they are the first Stotmcasts to leave Azyr, and begins the war on Aqushy. Besides, I wasnt asking about Cadia's finest led by Creed, I was asking about the Cadian 357394th armored chicken fucker regiment, who just got the rights to colonize Agri-World Buttfuckistan-5. Why should I give a shit about these made up warbands and armies that arent canon?

>>48700936
What novel? Cato will face M'kar in the End Times and Ultramar will be invaded by the Sautekh dynasty. So no. The Ultramarines are doomed.

>>48700945
Classic slav.

>>48700949
>Than thats similiar to me saying that the Hammers of Sigmar are really important to the setting,
yeah and setting is noblebright if setting's posterboys are noblebright and the rest are unimportant fro global plot.
>I was asking about the Cadian 357394th armored chicken fucker regiment, who just got the rights to colonize Agri-World Buttfuckistan-5. Why should I give a shit about these made up warbands and armies that arent canon?
I don't know why you or anyone should gice the shit about them?

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>>48701001
>yeah and setting is noblebright if setting's posterboys are noblebright and the rest are unimportant fro global plot.

Proof that the other groups are unimportant?

>>48701001
My bro, to whom I am of the conversing, I have good proofs. The Orruks are like dirty Russians who ruin everything good. And Chaos is like dirty Russians who ruin all good. Is bad, that is why order must fight. But Order is like slav, broseph; Slav kill Slav, and all lose.

Well, I look forward to seeing how they wipe the SOB off the map in 2 paragraphs tops.

>>48701069
A massive Khorne invasion requires every space marine in the galaxy to cover themselves in SoB blood for protecrion.

>>48689881

>Left

You didn't leave. You were massacred en masse by an npc faction.

>>48701025
Sigmar is leader of anti-Chaos alliance.
>>48701050
>Russians who ruin everything good.
Did they killed your elder brother in Syria?

>>48686621

>Wowit'sfuckingnothing

This isn't even the furthest in the timeline a campaign has gone. 40k has always been on the verge of apocalypse. That's the point of the setting.

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>>48687420

>That completely inept reading comprehension

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>>48701212
So no proof then?

>>48700773
>>48700782
t. GW shill

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>>48690000
THE QUADS PREDICT THE EMPEROR'S GRAND PLAN!!!!

>>48701262
>AoS fluff isn't proof
kek

>>48688607
This.

>>48692638

>Eye of Terror was retconned

No it wasn't. Focusing on a different part of the timeline isn't a retcon.

>>48701294
Sigmar isn't in charge of all the order factions and even if he was, how does it make anything but Stormcasts unimportant?

So no proof.

>>48692210
>Tidf damage control at it's best
It must be a terrible pain for tauboos to not achieving only clean flawless victories on their faction and actually having to face the consequences for their actions.

>>48701321
No, that's bullshit. The GW statement in the WD that came after EoT is that they will use what happened in EoT as an inspiration for their fluff.

There is no timeline bullshit. It's something butthurt WHFb invented.

>>48701322
>Sigmar isn't in charge of all the order factions and even if he was
He formed anit-Chaos aliiance, he was only one who defend his realm from Chaos (but yeah it's kind of irrelevant since realms are endless and battels are unimportant), he is only one who can purify Chaos and his influence, Stormcasts are only one army who launch counter-attack from realmgates.

>>48692638
Perhaps they'll even recon the black fortresses thing at this eight, or have they been mentioned again on current lore?

>>48701332
What damage control? You got stuff wrong.

You said whole system system when it was one planet. You even implied that the Damocles Gulf which is a hazardous and hostile area for life filled with only space gasses is populated.

Also you did not know the fact that the Tau have four systems in the area plus the majority of the Tau expansion forces.\

You are a failure, sir. You are just throwing an act now to disguise that you suck at the lore. Tell me anon how does a planet turn into a system? You know that half of that system which nuked planet in was Imperial?

>>48689170
If your walker gets bits blown off it so should your 29 foot creature.

And why are so many robots now classed as creatures not vehicles?


Oh right. Shit rules.

>>48700963
>Ultramar will be invaded by the Sautekh dynasty.
Damm I liked those guys, well let's hope it ends with some guys of the sautekh dynasty surviving it would be a pity if they follow the time kings to the grave.

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>>48701373
Still there and still the focus of the 12th Black Crusade, which shows up in various books' timelines and has its own section in the Black Legion supplement. The artefacts that Abaddon used to capture them are even available as TT wargear options.

The original Gothic War lore predates the first Necron codex; initially the Blackstone Fortresses weren't explicitly connected to the Eldar or C'tan or any race at all, so you could remove all Necron fluff from 40k and they'd still fit in fine.

>>48701630
>The original Gothic War lore predates the first Necron codex; initially the Blackstone Fortresses weren't explicitly connected to the Eldar or C'tan or any race at all, so you could remove all Necron fluff from 40k and they'd still fit in fine.

So Eldrad has no reason to be there and that means he won't die this time around.

>>48701414
Sorry not the same anon and you're Kidding yourself if you think this wasn't a mayor loss and set back for the tau empire this engagement hit them and hit them hard, if O'shova haven't intervene everybody would had died at mugulat bay, O'shaserra, all the commanders, everybody and that would surely give the tau empire a blow too hard to handle

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>>48700939
It's fairly difficult to answer that. Yes, the Horus Heresy books (the starting trilogy, Fulgrim, First Heretic, Fear to Tread, Betrayer, Vengeful Spirit, optionally any books about legions you like) are potentially a great starting point... but that arc won't be done for years. The Space Marines and Chaos codices summarize the Horus Heresy too. My concern with the "30k" setting is that if you want to play 40k, you won't get the same feel from the 30k books and that's important.

The best 40k books are about inquisitors and Imperial Guard: the Eisenhorn books, the Ciaphas Cain books, Titanicus (also about titans, obviously). Gav Thorpe's Path of the _____ craftworld Eldar are good if you're into them; I liked them more than the Dark Eldar series.

I haven't found any 40k space marine books I thought highly of.

>>48701667
Did I saw it wasn't a blow for the Tau Empire? Did I say it wasn't a setback? I did not. I am correcting what the other anon said. Stop throwing words into my mouth.

The other guy failed to explain how a single planet is a whole system. Maybe you can tell me how magically a whole planet turned into a system.

>>48701697
Well mugulat bay was too important to be lost and now it's a barren wasteland without even an atmosphere after being exterminatused for a second time and all the world's gained during this expansion were lost because of the firewall, most of this expansion was after the tau were able to traverse the Damocles gulf and in it's current state those planets are as good as lost because the ork empires nearby, eldar and human pirates and Tyranids, the empire is unable to send any reinforcements there because the firewall.

>>48701197
>Squats didn't leave

>>48701748
>most of this expansion was after the tau were able to traverse the Damocles gulf and in it's current state those planets are as good as lost because the ork empires nearby, eldar and human pirates and Tyranids, the empire is unable to send any reinforcements there because the firewall.

I don't think so. The four septs beyond the gulf are self reliant with their own forces. Plus Aun'va and Shadowsun's expedition forces are in the area, plus plus the Farsight Enclave systems. They are alright for now.

Remember that the Imperials only gain initial success in Agrellan because they caught the Tau by surprise while the resdt of their forces were elsewhere in the Dovar system.

>>48686619
I really hope that this is an AoS reboot.

Me and my friends haven't used our 40k armies in a couple of years now.

>>48695137
You think that's a motherfucking joke?

>>48698731
If your rant was to say that modern 40k is as shit as AoS, I think everyone here actually agree

>>48697047
I don't really think it is.

>>48698433
>Turns out you dont need a good setting, fully customizable miniatures, the ability to make your army your own.
>literally defending GW

>>48701789
>I don't think so. The four septs beyond the gulf are self reliant with their own forces. Plus Aun'va and Shadowsun's expedition forces are in the area, plus plus the Farsight Enclave systems. They are alright for now.
Unless the enclaves can maintain a constant presence they're as good as dead, imperial worlds maintain great reserves of PDF and even then they need to be baby sitted by the imperium as a whole, this is 40k planetary invasions are a constant thread, be orkz, eldar pirates, etc; single planets can't defend themselves in 40k and the tau are by far the slowest race in the galaxy.

Also didn't O'shaserra returned to the tau empire? As far as I know they did with most of their forces, only O'shova is nearby.

>Remember that the Imperials only gain initial success in Agrellan because they caught the Tau by surprise while the resdt of their forces were elsewhere in the Dovar system.
The tau were ROFL stomped by the cadians, marines and mechanicus until O'shova came to save the day, the bulk of the tau were waiting at mugulat bay to prevent the imperials to recover the planets and most of them were smashed.

Aos is shit, right that's why it leagues ahead of this dying thread full of People who don't play the damn games in question

>>48702036
Are you somewhat implying th2t the tau will get smashed in any significant way anytime soon ? Because it's not happening.

>>48702076
I don't play AoS because it's fucking shit, dude.

>>48702036
>Unless the enclaves can maintain a constant presence they're as good as dead

No, they don't need the Enclave. The Enclaves are a plus but the bulk of the Tau TSE forces are in the side of the gulf prepared to defend the Tau septs with the Sept own forces. I don't think you understand the fact that the Tau have a massive military presence in the area. You ignoring it for RAISENS.

>Also didn't O'shaserra returned to the tau empire?

No. The Expedition forces are standard beyond the gulf.

>The tau were ROFL stomped by the cadians, marines and mechanicus until O'shova came to save the day, the bulk of the tau were waiting at mugulat bay to prevent the imperials to recover the planets and most of them were smashed.

Apparently, you can't read. The Imperials were only successful in making landfall of Argrellan and pushing back the Tau in the starting stages was because the Tau forces were scattered across the Dovar system fighting on other fronts. The forces of Agrellan were really undermanned and it would have taken a full month for the forces from other parts of the system to reach the planet and break the siege.

>>48702102
No, they don't need the Enclave. The Enclaves are a plus but the bulk of the Tau TSE forces are in that side of the gulf prepared to defend the Tau septs who have their own Sept forces*

Septs = system.

Each Sept has a system worth of forces.

>>48702118
Dude whole systems of the imperium get overrun by orks and Tyranids without the whole segmentum there to help them even fortress worlds, even if every world on those systems were fortress worlds they would be eventually overrun by external forces, this is 40k, better defended systems are overrun because of this.

>>48699340
...I again take it that you know fuck-all about WHFB or 40K because you quite clearly haven't read all those books and RPG supplements like I have (and most warhammer fans for that matter). Those 'quircks' are in fact massive differences, most notable in Fantasy, but also present in 40k. The civilians of Cadia and its culture are wholly different from Necromunda, same with Vostroya or Macragge.

>>48702153
The Tau function differently. Tau defeat Ork Waagh!s and Splinrers of Tyranids within the planets of their systems. Don't compare the Imperium to the Tau.

Again, you ignoring that there are Tau forces present in the area that have just fought off an immense Imperial counter attack. Both factions of this force are led by the best two military mind the Tau ever produced excepting Puretide.

>>48690171
Wouldnt the sheer mass of all those bioships cause them to begin to smash together into stars

>>48702219
>The Tau function differently. Tau defeat Ork Waagh!s and Splinrers of Tyranids within the planets of their systems. Don't compare the Imperium to the Tau.
Even necromancer have been destroyed on heavily defended systems, eldar craftworlds have been overrun, imperial fortress worlds have fallen, tau are no different and they have lost several planets to Tyranids and had to be rescued by dark eldars, just to be back stabbed and a whole fortress world stolen from them to the last habitant, orkz have destroyed and out thought them on several occasions, tau are no different to any other race in 40k.

>Again, you ignoring that there are Tau forces present in the area that have just fought off an immense Imperial counter attack. Both factions of this force are led by the best two military mind the Tau ever produced excepting Puretide.
Meaningless both have been defeated several times besides the lost of agrellan.

>>48702219
>Again, you ignoring that there are Tau forces present in the area that have just fought off an immense Imperial counter attack.
So...... they're dangerously depleted and demoralised since the lost of an important staggering point and being cut off from the rest of the tau empire?

>>48702324
>Even necromancer have been destroyed on heavily defended systems, eldar craftworlds have been overrun, imperial fortress worlds have fallen, tau are no different and they have lost several planets to Tyranids and had to be rescued by dark eldars, just to be back stabbed and a whole fortress world stolen from them to the last habitant, orkz have destroyed and out thought them on several occasions, tau are no different to any other race in 40k.

Context matters.

The thing with the Dark Eladr happened because the Tau forces were stretched with the ongoing expansion. So they allied with the Dark Eldar to supplement their stretched out forces. This not an issue now. The bulk of the Tau expansion forces plus the Enslaves plus the forces of FOUR SYSTEMS are in the area concentrated in one spot of space with nothing to do but to defend that space.

The only notable occasion where the Orks outhought the Tau is the War of Dakka which was a major Ork Waagh!. The Orks won a single battle against Farsight and then spent the whole war losing until Farsight defeated them.

So what we have here. We have a ton of Tau forces in the area being supported by production base and forces of four systems plus the Enclaves own systems. They have nothing better to do than sit around and wait for the Empire to fix the Firewall. They are alright.

>Meaningless both have been defeated several times besides the lost of agrellan.

They rarely lost battles and never lost wars. You seem to ignored that Agrellan was a military victory for the Tau.

>>48702405
They aren't dangerously depleted. The Tau forces on Agrelllan were undermanned. The Majority of the Tau forces were scattered around the system and are in good fighting condition. And Aun'Va is still "alive" and he is busy restoring morale.

Also Agrellan was a staging point for the expansion. The expansion is over so its lost isn't going to factor much in the defense of the Four Septs.

>>48702414
>Context matters.
If that's the case then it's an imperial victory because the imperium never lises, its just pushed back just to return with a stronger force as per the imperial guard codex states.

>The thing with the Dark Eladr happened because the Tau forces were stretched with the ongoing expansion. So they allied with the Dark Eldar to supplement their stretched out forces. This not an issue now. The bulk of the Tau expansion forces plus the Enslaves plus the forces of FOUR SYSTEMS are in the area concentrated in one spot of space with nothing to do but to defend that space.
They attacked a heavily fortified world that requested reinforcements to prepare to call out the dark eldars after they disco what they did with the embassadors of the "cultural exchange", the dark eldar codex states that they just sender the poor aberrations the de did with their former comrades just to be easily killed by the kabalites of vector, there is no excuse for this they were prepared for a full out war against their former allies just to be mercilessly taken away as slaves.

>The only notable occasion where the Orks outhought the Tau is the War of Dakka which was a major Ork Waagh!. The Orks won a single battle against Farsight and then spent the whole war losing until Farsight defeated them.
And when they attacked the tau super weapon just with a single squad of ork infiltrators and attacking neighbour worlds to cut off their supply lines and start a mayor invasions in that system or when they stole the tau super transporter and turn it into the dakka killa simething.

>>48702566

>So what we have here. We have a ton of Tau forces in the area being supported by production base and forces of four systems plus the Enclaves own systems. They have nothing better to do than sit around and wait for the Empire to fix the Firewall. They are alright.
Don't made shit up for all we know they might as well be exploratory forces, we don't have any real condition on the status of those colonies or their capabilities

>They rarely lost battles and never lost wars. You seem to ignored that Agrellan was a military victory for the Tau.
They have, they lost a planet to a single company of space Wolves for fucks sake.

>>48702460
>They aren't dangerously depleted. The Tau forces on Agrelllan were undermanned. The Majority of the Tau forces were scattered around the system and are in good fighting condition. And Aun'Va is still "alive" and he is busy restoring morale.
Now I know you're making shit up, they weren't undermanned, all the opposite they prepared themselves for the invasion and lost pretty much all of the involving forces thanks to the exterminatus, the only tau that didn't die were the tau on the only bunker that wasn't cut open by the imperial forces and those on space

>Also Agrellan was a staging point for the expansion. The expansion is over so its lost isn't going to factor much in the defense of the Four Septs.
It's because it was the only system close enough for the tau to settle before advancing, remember they don't have a reliable FTL travel, if they can't reach a planet to resupply they'll due on their ships.

>>48702566
>If that's the case then it's an imperial victory because the imperium never lises, its just pushed back just to return with a stronger force as per the imperial guard codex states.

What the fuck you are saying. I am saying that these events are not equivalent to the situation that's going on now. English please.

>They attacked a heavily fortified world that requested reinforcements to prepare to call out the dark eldars after they disco what they did with the embassadors of the "cultural exchange", the dark eldar codex states that they just sender the poor aberrations the de did with their former comrades just to be easily killed by the kabalites of vector, there is no excuse for this they were prepared for a full out war against their former allies just to be mercilessly taken away as slaves.

I am not sure what you are saying. Let me say this again. The whole issue with the Tau and Dark Eldar happened because the a lot of the Tau forces were busy invading Imperial space for the expansion which left the Tau forces stretched out. This forced them to ally with Dark Eldar to beat back the Tyranids in a region in their empire that they couldn't reinforce in time with forces of their own. The Tau turned a blind eye to the Dark Eldar suspicious activities because the Tyranids were the bigger threat. When the Tau discovered what was going on and went after the Dark Eldar, the Dark Eldar struck at another planet and sacked it before escaping back to the Webway.

>And when they attacked the tau super weapon just with a single squad of ork infiltrators and attacking neighbour worlds to cut off their supply lines and start a mayor invasions in that system or when they stole the tau super transporter and turn it into the dakka killa simething.

No, the Orks pirates stole a big Tau colonist ship and used it to raid the Kel'shan ship for a decade. No mention of the Kel'shan losing a single world to the Ork raids.

>>48702576
>Don't made shit up for all we know they might as well be exploratory forces, we don't have any real condition on the status of those colonies or their capabilities

The Expedition Tau forces that have conquered dozens of Imperial worlds and fought off the Imperium crusade. Plus we know that the Four Septs are functional and self reliant. They wouldn't be called Sept if they weren't.

>They have, they lost a planet to a single company of space Wolves for fucks sake.

Source that Farsight or Shadowsun lost to the Space Wolves.

Remember that Shadowsun in war in Prefectia had hundreds of marines killed and injured many more in the start of the war. The marine deaths only rose higher.

>>48702625
>Now I know you're making shit up, they weren't undermanned, all the opposite they prepared themselves for the invasion and lost pretty much all of the involving forces thanks to the exterminatus

Yes, they were undermanned. The Tau forces were caught by surprise by the Imperials. They prepped a defense while waiting for reinforcements from the rest of the Tau forces to reach them and that would have taken a month.

>It's because it was the only system close enough for the tau to settle before advancing,

Bullshit.

Agrellan and its system was going to be the fifth Sept. Before that system, the Tau conquered four systems and established them as septs before coming to Agrellan.

>>48702670
Kel'shan sept*

>>48702709
>The Expedition Tau forces that have conquered dozens of Imperial worlds and fought off the Imperium crusade. Plus we know that the Four Septs are functional and self reliant. They wouldn't be called Sept if they weren't.
Worlds that are considered backwater worlds, poorly defended and prone to rebellion, great let see how the tua fare against the other crusades that will come and keep coming after this one,


>They have, they lost a planet to a single company of space Wolves for fucks sake.
>Source that Farsight or Shadowsun lost to the Space Wolves.
Sorry I assumed you meant tau as a whole not the two only tau here capable to actually do their job, because as we know every other time they're push back by everybody else.

>Remember that Shadowsun in war in Prefectia had hundreds of marines killed and injured many more in the start of the war. The marine deaths only rose higher.
Yeah good thing they needed thousands of fire warriors, auxillary forces and hundreds of suits to push back a few hundred marines, they would be deep down of the scale of power if they couldn't hold their ground against a few hundred marines.

>>48702743
>Yes, they were undermanned.
Source? I don't remember the books mention that they were undermanned.

>>48702813
>Worlds that are considered backwater worlds, poorly defended and prone to rebellion, great let see how the tua fare against the other crusades that will come and keep coming after this one,

The Septs are fully settled and defended. That's what Sept are.

You do know that the Dovar system was heavily defended right? The Tau beat back the large Imperial crusade trying to take it back. This was the last Imperial effort against the Tau in the timeline and likely the last ever because the Imperium is collapsing.

>Sorry I assumed you meant tau as a whole not the two only tau here capable to actually do their job, because as we know every other time they're push back by everybody else.

The Tau are stated to gain more than they lose in the Cain novel "The Greater Good". This shows in the map where the Tau are rapidly expanding.

Furthermore, The Space Wolf event was against a hidden underwater mining colony, not a Sept World.

>Yeah good thing they needed thousands of fire warriors, auxillary forces and hundreds of suits to push back a few hundred marines, they would be deep down of the scale of power if they couldn't hold their ground against a few hundred marines.

The marines had knights, admech, and knights helping them in that war. Read the bloody Kauyon book. In fact, the only reason it wasn't a total massacre for the space marines was because the Imperial Guard acted as meat shield for the marine retreat off the planet.

>>48702852
Downloading the book. I am shuffle through it.r

>>48702893
>With the foe gone from Prefectia, Aun’Va began to plan the next phase of the expansion. Half of the Fire caste forces on Prefectia were sent to aid in the exploitation of the Dovar System – suppressing or eradicating native populations, protecting Earth caste installations and safeguarding Water caste diplomatic actions. The remaining forces were to return to Mu’gulath Bay. There, they could briefly refit and train while the war council laid plans for the next wave of planetary invasions. It was generally accepted that the Imperial hold upon the region had been broken, and it would be a long time before their forces returned in great numbers. The Imperium had suffered a series of losses that would have set the Tau Empire back generations, including the latest blow – losing the King of the Space Marines. It would take them some time to recover from such shattering setbacks.

Here it is. One of the first piecws of what I am talking about.

Half a planetary forces was on Agrellan and the other half was sent out to aid the rest of that Tau armies in the Dovar system.

This half of a planetary forces faced off against a whole crusade.

>>48702947
>There was but a single purpose behind the launching of Task Force Retribution – the cleansing of Agrellan of any and all xenos life forms. The forces mustered were excessive in size and power for a mission to sweep clear a single planet, no matter its size. Such was the intent, for it was time for the upstart Tau to be taught a lesson.

And here is another piece.

The Imperial forces that were being deployed over overkill. They were excessive for taking a single planet.

>>48702969
>The kor’vattra, the Tau navy, found themselves in a difficult position. Most of the Tau’s starfaring ships were scattered across the Dovar System, meaning the naval garrison that protected Mu’gulath Bay was hopelessly outnumbered. The Imperial fleet possessed more lance batteries than the Tau had ships. Lacking Warp travel, it would take some time for the kor’vattra to gather in sufficient strength to offer any real challenge to the invading armada. In the meantime, the kor’vattra made an attempt to blunt the Imperial onset, although it was more bluff than last stand, a manoeuvre intended only to buy time for the planetary defence. Even so, just stalling the foe cost the Tau a dozen starships. Forced to choose between retreat or total annihilation, the kor’vattra fled before the oncoming wall of Imperial battleships. They used Mu’gulath Bay’s gravity to slingshot themselves away, withdrawing into deep space. In doing so, the Tau hoped to lure their foes into pursuing them, drawing off some of the weight of the impending hammer blow. This is exactly what happened, as much of the Imperial fleet either gave chase or took up defensive positions, forming an encircling blockade of starships.

Most of the Tau fleet was elsewhere and couldn't be here to defend the planet. Nobody saw it coming that the Imperials will appear suddenly and focus all their forces on a single planet. The Tau forces and fleet were really undermanned for the task, with the majority of their forces scattered around the system.

>>48690000
I remember one theory is that the Highlords are secret chaos cultists, and the Golden Throne's purpose is to prevent the Emperor from reincarnating more than anything. Therefore the Emperor is calling the Nids to Terra to kill his corpse so he can reincarnate finally.

Either way I want Big Daddy E to be intentionally calling the Nids to Terra for some grand plot.

>>48702987
So they were save by blind luck? Well let's hope the imperium never sends a bigger crusade or are attacked by multiple forces at the same time or that'll be game over for the tau.

>>48702987
>The Tau had not been unprepared. Mu’gulath Bay was far from the heart of the Tau Empire, but the colony was as fully prepared and well equipped to repel invaders as any sept world. Yet despite the constant state of alert and a wide ring of sensors that Commander Shadowsun had personally approved, massive Imperial forces had appeared upon Mu’gulath Bay’s doorstep with almost no warning. The Tau were simply stunned by the magnitude and closing speed of the impending Imperial assault. The sheer size of the invasion was beyond anything the Tau had trained for, or that they could even have imagined.

The world had its defensive in case of an invasion but they were not enough against what the Imperials brought down. The Imperials suddenly threw everything but the kitchen sink on a single planet with no warning. The fucking cheaters.

>>48703052
defenses*

>>48703052
I wonder how the history would had played if they were forced to face a crusade the size of that of the Armageddon third war.

>>48690143
41.999 is the cutoff date for tons of events
so we have loads of interesting people , factions and battles that are stuck in limbo at the moment

>>48703052
Man Tau fags are the worst.
You realize that you don't have any real loses because the Tau are so insignificant.
Any major defeat would cripple the whole Tau faction.
So keep wanking I an sure it feels good, but keep in mind that when the Tau actually get to be on the big boy stage they'll be treated like everyone else.

>>48703109
Actually, the Tau are said to have ascended to be one of the major powers in the galaxy.

>>48703123
Cont'ed

Also I am not wanking, you mofo.

One of the anons said that the Tau forces weren't undermanned on Agrellan. I am correcting him by copypasting the text. Why are you guys against accuracy?

>In the glowing lights of the command nexus dome, Shadowsun pored over holographic maps, her gaze drawn to the surrounding fleet of enemy vessels. ‘Star-admiral O’Kor’sha’nos, can you estimate when the kor’vattra can be gathered in strength enough to drive off the invaders?’ asked Shadowsun, running her own calculations.

>For a moment, the willowy Air caste commander waved his slender fingers over icons, opening and closing sub-maps with a deftness that belied his many years. ‘No sooner than 77 cycles, O’Shaserra,’ he replied, pausing to complete more calculations. ‘And no later than 103 cycles,’ he added at last.

>If I am to delay superior forces for 80 cycles,’ said Shadowsun, no longer addressing O’Kor’sha’nos, ‘I dare not fully contest the landings, as I will need to conserve troop strength. If we cannot get the Ethereal Supreme off-planet safely, my first priority must be to safeguard him.’

>There was a sigh from the darkness behind and, for the first time, Commander Shadowsun heard Aun’Va sound weary. ‘We are trapped. The fate of myself and perhaps the future of the Tau Empire now depends upon you,’ said Aun’Va. Commander Shadowsun turned, not sure how to address her next point, but the Ethereal Supreme did it for her. ‘And now you wish to tell me to stay hidden, but you do not wish to anger me,’ said Aun’Va. ‘I chose my Supreme Commander well; I would be foolish not to heed her advice even when it rankles. I shall retire to the hidden bunker and use only my broadcasts to inspire our warriors,’ said Aun’Va.

Estimate according to the Tau admiral about the ETA of the Tau reinforcements that will break the siege is between 77-103 days.

Shadowsun said (diplomatically to not offend Aun'Va) that with her current forces she can hold out for 80 days.

>>48703109
Can't wait for that, I hope the Ghazkull intervention on that side of the galaxy guides him into crumble the tau to show the orks on that region that he's the true warbozz.

>>48703123
Haha oh shit is this nigga for real?
They have the least amount of controlled space. They couldn't hold out against an onslaught of any other major race.
I mean I get it they have won against some nice odds but that is only because it is high stakes only to them.
They are a major player because they have a codex. Not because they actually could stand toe to toe with the full might of any other race.

>>48703138
Ghaz teleported to Tau space and invaded it, and then left after starting a Waaagh! there.

>>48703129
Previous anon, they weren't, they were as ready as they could they were unprepared for the task when the imperials came with such absurd numbers, the tau completely underestimated the amount of forces the imperium can muster.

>>48703129
I am not against what you are saying. I was against when you started saying that the Tau don't really lose.
They don't lose because they don't matter.

>>48703149
>Warboss Grukk Face-rippa leads a rampage against the Tau Empire! The Tau have seen plenty of conflict during their brief ascension to the status of major player in the far future, and quite a lot of that conflict has been with Orks.

-WD 108

Read it and weep.

Also space means nothing in SPACE. It's about of power and tech you wield that matters. The Tau live in a hyper dense cluster of spaces rich with biomass and minerals.

>>48703166
They had half a planetary force on the planet. They had only a fraction of the fleet with them.

>>48703168
I never said they didn't lose. We are arguing facts of the events. BRB by the way.

>>48703169
>White dwarf
>Having any validity
Let me guess you believe that Belakor was killed with rocks on AoS

>>48703183
>They had half a planetary force on the planet. They had only a fraction of the fleet with them.
And they thought that was more than enough to fend of the imperials until the invasion force came and proved them wrong.

>>48703169
That is fine and dandy but that isn't the whole might of the ork race brought down on the Tau.

The reason they are a player on the universal stage is because they have a codex.
They don't have enough space or fire power to be a real threat to any other race.
They are an annoyance at best with plot armour. Which is fine they can't really lose at this point because it would decimate them as a faction.

I really don't hate the Tau but when fans start wanking it really makes people hate them.

And back.

>>48703208
They fought the Imperials will come as a wave in that will crash on the forward front, if the Imperials dared to attack at all after their prior defeats. They didn't expect a huge imperial force to wizz into the vital part of region like spear outta nowhere. That's why they were undermanned. They reinforced the front while leaving the core scarcely defended.

What the Imperials found was a fraction of the Tau forces on the planet. So the earlier statement that one anon made about the Tau expedition forces being ravaged by the Agrellan round two is false.

>>48703193
>Anons on this board
>getting things right ever

That WD report happened in 7th ED WHFB, not AoS. You do know what that means, little Timmy? It means it was years before AoS. Maybe 3/4 a decade before.

The Daemon Prince in the WD was not named and his lore doesn't match Be'lakor. So in all likeness they just used Be'lakor's sexy model rather than the shitty Daemon Prince model that was available at the time.

>>48703183
You are right I think it was another anon who said that. Honestly I don't really care I wasn't trying to rustle any feathers. People take different things from the works of 40k.
And there are so many theories that anyone of them could be true. I just hate it when any fan starts wanking over their faction hard. Imperium fags can be just as bad especially when they say the emperor is as strong as the four chaos gods.

>>48703230
>That is fine and dandy but that isn't the whole might of the ork race brought down on the Tau.

Nobody is saying that the Tau will fight off the whole Ork race.

>They don't have enough space or fire power to be a real threat to any other race.

The Imperium, as of Kauyon, considers them a real threat to Ultima Segmentum. Which is way they used the firewall thing to seal away their threat temporarily.

One of threats presented to the Sautekh Dynasty (which the largest and most powerful Necron dynasty in the galaxy), is the Tau Empire. If they open a front with them and another power in the region, then the dynasty would be in trouble.

>>48703286
Cont'ed....

The Tau theme is that they are a rising power in a realm of dying empires and kingdoms. They are the force of progress that cannot be seemingly stopped. Why do people begrudge them this when it is their point in the setting? I have no idea.

>>48690122

This

The setting is not going to end, it's just going to advance to the point where the 13th Black Crusade is on going and that will be the new status quo.

The difference between 40k and Fantasy is that 40k takes place in a galaxy and Fantasy took place on a single planet. The only thing stopping Chaos from destroying the Fantasy world was the plot dictating that they not get their shit together and Archaon sitting on his ass.

Meanwhile, there is an unknown amount of space between the Eye of Terror and Terra. 6E CSM codex says that Abaddon's plan is expanding the Eye so that daemons and the daemon primarchs can more easily manifest. This is perfect for GW since it's something they can spin on for years as Chaos has to fight for every planet and every inch of space.

I feel like the HH is the perfect example where GW has made an event which only lasted seven years in universe go on for twelve years in the real world with no signs of stopping and at best being near, at, or slightly over the half way mark.

>>48703249
They thought*

>>48703286
I think they sealed off that space as a way to detour the Tau. Maybe they do consider them a threat, but with all the other things that are happening.
Nids, chaos, orks, and necrons I think it was more of a time out tactic. If the Tau can muster their forces and get past that section of flaming space they will be dealt with.
I don't know what they can hope to accomplish. I mean when you fight with other people that have plot armour the faction with the thickest armour will win.
I honestly don't think they will fight the smurfs and win. They might win a couple battles, but they will lose the war.

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>>48703319
Let me hand some parallels between 40K and fantasy.

There has been 13 Black Cruades in 40K. The 13th one is suppose to be last and final one that will see Chaos conquer the galaxy

There has been 13 Everchosen marches. the 13 Everchosen, Archaon Everchosen, is the last and final Everchosen, the Lord of the End Times, who will conquer the world for Chaos

Be'lakor crowned Abaddon as the Chaos Ascendant, and as Herald of the End Times proclaimed the doom of the galaxy.

Be'lakor crowned Archaon the Everchosen of Chaos, and as a Herald of the End Times proclaimed that the doom of world.

There is no escaping fate. 40K and Fantasy follow the same path to destruction. Be'lakor wills this and nothing in both settings can reverse his judgement once it has been passed.

>>48703310
Well besides the Imperium am Eldar, which it could be argued that the Eldar aren't still dying off, which other factions are crumbling? And I mean even with the Imperium it is a slow fall. The reason people dislike the Tau is that they aren't battle hardened. They have fought small portions of other races and won. Now they are getting cocky and going to strut their stuff like a big ol' cock. But they have no real idea what really lurks out in space. They could be destroyed by anything that is real space related let alone all the cosmic horrors that are in store for them.
That is why people dislike the Tau they are a fledgling race that thinks it knows everything.

I hope FW bring out 30k lists for the xeno armies at the time then.

>>48703376
So you are saying that Abbadon is the only one who can stop the end of 40k? He is the hero we need! If only he would stay home that day the universe could be saved!

>>48703381
Imperium, Eldar and Tau are the only factions with civilisations to crumble.

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>>48686619
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>>48703409
I know you are joking but that's exactly what Abaddon wants. He wants to make Chaos's victory his. He wants save the Imperium and the galaxy. To do this he must replace the Emperor and become the Dark Emperor of the Dark Imperium. He is just waiting for the right time to betray Chaos.

>>48703412
What about crons? They have a remnant of their civilization. Dark Eldar also have a somewhat working Civilization. Chaos cultists? I mean I guess daemons and nids don't but they are more animalistic and based on nature.

>>48703412
Necrons?

>>48703423
I mean it was a joke but I play Chaos so it was also real I guess. Are there a lot of differences between Abbadon and Archaon?

>>48703423
Also I don't see how he could actually get away with betraying Chaos.

>>48703445
‘You do not just mean forming a new warband. You mean a new Legion. A new war.’

>His gaze never left mine. I felt it holding my eyes to his, felt the ambitious heat of fevered thoughts.

>‘A new war,’ he agreed. ‘The real war. We were born for battle, Khayon. We were made to conquer the galaxy, not to rot here in Hell and die upon our brothers’ blades. Who are the architects of the Imperium? Who fought to purge its territory of aliens and expand its borders? Who brought rebellious worlds to heel and slaughtered those who refused the light of progress? Who walked from one side of the galaxy to the other, marking their passage in a trail of traitorous dead? This is our Imperium. Built across the worlds we burned, over bones we broke, with the blood we shed.’

>What stunned me most was not his passion, nor even his ambition, though both were breathtaking in their scope. No, what stunned me more than anything else was his motive. I had expected a failure’s bitterness, not a champion’s idealism. He did not want vengeance, whether it was petty or ultimately justified. He wanted what was ours by right. He wanted to shape the Imperium’s future.

>‘You see it, too,’ he said, baring his teeth in a snarling grin. Like the rest of the Justaerin, his teeth were engraved with Cthonian runes of fortitude and resolve. They seemed very apt all of a sudden, in the smile of a pilgrim returning to his people to become a crusader. ‘You feel it now, don’t you?’

>‘A new war,’ I said slowly, softly. ‘One not born of bitterness nor founded on revenge.’

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>>48703458
>Abaddon nodded. ‘The Long War, Khayon. The Long War. Not a petty rebellion swallowed by Horus’s pride and his hunger for the Terran Throne. A war for the future of mankind. Horus would have sold the species to the Pantheon for the chance to sit on the Golden Throne for a single heartbeat. We cannot allow ourselves to be used the way he was. The Powers exist and we can’t pretend otherwise, but nor can we allow a sacred duty to devolve into such weakness, as Horus did.’

-Talon of Horus

The piece defines what Abaddon is about.