>in-story Emrakul is the strongest entity ever known, stronger

>>48681234
When you cast a spell, you aren't casting the actual creature anon.

>>48681234
You still get to mindslaver your opponent

>>48681234

Even if you counter Emrakul, the opponent STILL controls your next turn.

>>48681278
If you could really control your opponents turn, then you could make his creatures attack him, and control the blocks too

>>48681278
which is meaningless because of all the restrictions

if you could actually control the other players turn, you could make him destroy his cards or commit illegal acts to DQ him from the event, or cause him to kill himself

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>>48681234
>stronger than yawgmoth or urza or nicol bolas

>>48681321
>>48681321
technically, you can. Except you're in control, so it's actually you committing illegal actions, and you get kicked out

>>48681234
Nigger do you even know how its all fluffed? Your deck is your mind. Each card represents a memory that impacted you on your travels as a planes walker. When you cast a creature your using your memory of that event as a blueprint then collecting the required mana and forming a copy of what you saw.

The Counter spell is fizzing your concentration of turning the mana into the thing you remembered.

This is also how they explaining the same person/creature having different cards with different powers and abilities. Its a different memory and you witnessed different things and as that they are only copies made to defend yourself in that instant they dont have the full power of the original.

Learn yo shit nigga.

>>48681374
>>48681321
Actually a rule to mindslaver is you cannot make them commit illegal actions, or quit the game. If you try to make them tear up their cards that wouldn't fly either.
>>48681234
You're casting a spell that summons emrakul, they counter the spell not the emrakul.

>>48681361
urza's not any stronger than any of the modern nu-walkers

>>48681439

Urza found it easier to pivot all the molecules in his body to face left than it was to physically turn left. NewWalkers don't come anywhere close to that level of reality manipulation.

>>48681439
>urza's not any stronger than any of the modern nu-walkers' plot armor
FTFY

>>48681408

/thread; this guy gets it.

>>48681470
his associated spells and artifacts are all more or less unusable and his lands are gimmicky garbage

I thought that boosters were like a vacation to a plane, and your pack is what you saw.
So it'd be really common to see an ordinary bear, but really rare to meet another planeswalker. Then, your deck kind of becomes your photo album, and duels are just showing other people your vacation photos.

>>48681595
I just happened to see Liliana a lot. I swear I wasn't stalking her even though I have 200 photos of her.

>>48681595
>duels with other planewalkers are just comparing photo albums
>planeswalkers are just old retirees from Boca Raton showing each other vacation photos

>>48681595
Zendikar had one fucking expensive photo album then.

>>48681654
It's a tourist trap

Emrakul isn't a being focused on being powerful.

Ulamog, Emrakul, and Kozilek serve the universe function of recycling planes into new planes with new life on them.

Ulamog destroys everything and gathers the mana to make the new world, Kozi reconfigures the plane and its physics and shit for the new world, and Emrakul seeds the new world with life that will go on to evolve into all the things you know about.

this makes Emrakul the literal mother of the all life.

so it isn't about "power" and shit, what she does is power simply as a consquence.

>>48681813
I look forward to the Mending 2.0, where Jace and friends kill Emrakul once and for all, only to it to turn out that killing her has doomed the multiverse and Jace needs to sacrifice himself to become Planeswalker Jesus and rebuild the universe.

>>48681234
You think it's like this:
>Behold, I am Emrakul, thrusting myself into this universe! Tremble at the sight of my mighty extremities!
>Tap for UU, Counterspell.
>No! I, Emrakul, have been thwarted!

How it actually is:
>I'm just a punk planeswalker but I'm pooling all of this mana to try and summon Emrakul to this plane.
>Tap for UU, Counterspell.
>Well shit, I guess my attempt to summon Emrakul failed. At least some of her madness leaks through anyway and infects my opponent on his next turn.

>>48681866
Emrakul doesn't want to hurt anyone and helped the Jace league imprison herself so she can become "complete"

possibly hinting at her evolving into a planeswalker/sentient being.

>>48681234
>Stronger than Yawgmoth

Citation needed.

>>48681511
Plot-Gameplay Segregation

>>48681234
Think of it like this.
When you're casting a spell, you open a portal. The opponent can cancel the portal before it comes out of it.

That being said, it dies to a Ruinous Path.

>>48681866
>planeswalker Jesus
I hope not, Jesus came back from the dead.

>>48681361
>>48682084
For all that they are, Yawgmoth and Nicol Bolas and Urza could be consumed by the entirety of a plane channeled into the form of pure destruction.
In fact Urza and Yawgmoth were destroyed by far less than that and Bolas wouldn't fare much better either.
However Emrakul, Emrakul cannot be killed even if all the energy available to Innistrad was channeled into blazing devastation through Chandra (the way Ulamog and Kozilek were killed). An entire plane could not manage to kill Emrakul. Perhaps Zendikar could at full power might be able to, but Zendikar is an outlier that is repeatedly and consistently mentioned to have far more powerful mana than other planes.

Other than perhaps Marit Lage who is unknown and unknowable, Emrakul is the hardest thing to kill in the multiverse.

>>48681234
>it does all that
>for colorless mana
Nigga is that what magic is these days? A gigantic fucking creature that's the definition of unfun, especially if you cheese it into play?

>>48682603
Nigga death cloud Yawgmoth would just consume Emrakul like instant noodles served with shiitake mushrooms because Emrakul can't shoot up white mana to damage him and even if she could he would just go tentacle Yawgmoth like he did who had more tentacles than Emrakul.

>>48682603
I wonder what the planar strength of Alara is.
At it's highest, I feel like it would be on par with Zendikar? Not entirely sure... I doubt it matters seeing how Bolas probably drained it.

>>48683001

What are you talking about?

Emrakul does general mana.

Kozi's the Titan who cares about colorless mana.

>>48683050
Same shit.

>>48681511

You may be clinically intellectually disabled. Seek help, or ask your mother. If you forgot who that is, she is the one who puts your helmet on you in the morning.

>>48681595
This is now my head canon.

>>48683022
>wank wank wank wank wank
The Legacy Weapon was not pure white mana, sufficient mana can destroy Yawgmoth. Much less than a plane's worth.

>>48681896
> evolving into a planeswalker/sentient being
Dude, she is already both of those things. The fact that she doesn't talk or anything doesn't mean she isn't sentient; it means she doesn't give two shits about the ants that rush around her as she works.

>>48683143

... if you think generic mana costs is the same as colorless mana cost, I have the laugh.

Soon you will be telling (R/B) (R/P) and (R/2) are the same mana symbols.

>>48683210

I'm pretty sure Jace's mind trick giving her an angel body in his dreams is mostly an artifact of him attempting to understand her static.

>>48683212
>pedantry
Okay. Fine.

>it does all that
>for any mana you want, and thus stupidly easy to case, especially if you cheese it into play
Is this what magic has become?

>>48683186
Not that guy but the Legacy Weapon only killed Yawgmoth after he was wounded with the white mana from the Null Moon.

And on top of that we're talking about the most broken thing ever designed. Emrakul would most likely get killed by it, just like it would in a game match.

>>48683228
It doesn't do all that if you cheese it into play, the mindslaver effect is explicitly "when you cast".
And if you treat 13 mana is stupidly-easy-to-case, you only prove how utterly bad you are at Magic. 13 hard-casting mana can and should end the game.

>>48683219
Yeah, but the fact that the static can be translated means it was coherent in the first place, just not to anything less than an eldrazi, or the paranoid backup plan of some mind mage.

>>48683255
7 isn't

>>48683240
The Null Moon was a space station. It had far less mana than a plane. If that could injure Yawgmoth, then claiming all the leylines of Dominaria and channeling them into a cannon of mana would kill Yawgmoth much moreso. The comparison is silly.
And Emrakul in-game, hell, the "titan Emrakul" that everyone sees and fears is nothing more than Emrakul's grasping limb that reaches into planar space. The real Emrakul sits in the blind eternities, yet more massive and unassailable than her siblings.

>>48683257

Eh, Emrakul could just be the manafestiation of monkeys typing out Shakespeare, and some point she just stops matching because the monkeys started writing Nietzsche.

No wonder he had troubled feelings about the ladies.

>>48681234
Ok... why are people worried about emmy being countered. She has pro instants. Unless that effect happens after the fact

>>48681439
This is abjectly wrong. Urza was able to collapse an entire plane into energy and trap it in a rock. Last time I checked Zendikar and Innistrad are both still there. Emmy may or may not outclass nu Bolas (signs point to no), but compared to Urza they're both like insects next to a man. Yawg is a god compared to even Urza.

>>48683274
If you're not casting her, Emrakul the Promised End is hardly better than any other staple killing machine. And she's worse than Emrakul the Aeons Torn, since Annihilator 6 does so much more than trample.
Admittedly, Emrakul the Aeons Torn is perhaps the best creature ever printed.

>>48683281
>claiming all the leylines of Dominaria and channeling them into a cannon of mana would kill Yawgmoth much moreso
Nice assumption.

>The real Emrakul sits in the blind eternities, yet more massive and unassailable than her siblings.
>implying the Legacy Weapon couldn't destroy her limb by limb

>>48683281
I think Emrakul made the other Titans. It makes more sense that Ulamog and kozilek were just really good minions that Emrakul dragged around with her to help make the whole process faster. It also explains how they were much easier to kill than she is.

>>48683295
The effect essentially does not exist while Emrakul is a spell waiting to resolve.

>>48683321
>Urza was able to collapse an entire plane into energy and trap it in a rock
What a terrible misconception. Serra's Realm was collapsing all on its own, it was never designed to contain black mana and was undergoing a phyrexian invasion (bringing in a lot of black mana). All Urza did was metaphorically remove the supports so its natural collapse would happen in a controlld manner.

>>48683295
After the fact. Her abilities don't kick in until after she's entered the field.

>>48683326
>Nice assumption.
Valid, though.
>implying the Legacy Weapon couldn't destroy her limb by limb
Destroy the titan and the Eldrazi just leaves. It will not be dead. Ugin made that very clear.

why did Nicol Bolas want them out and about anyway?

>>48683382
We haven't seen Bolas (outside of a cameo on Tarkir) for rather a long time, really.

>>48683348
Well now i feel dumb. Good to know though

>>48683363
>Valid, though
Yawgmoth wasn't killed by mana, only injured. It's an unfounded assumption to think more mana would kill him.

>Destroy the titan and the Eldrazi just leaves. It will not be dead. Ugin made that very clear.
Ugin, the guy who couldn't kill the other two titans?

>>48683001
This time on /tg/ is Bad at Magic!

>>48683382
Speculation is that he wants to undo the mending, and the research that Ugin was doing on the eldrazi might give him some leg up on getting that ball moving.

>>48683410
>Yawgmoth wasn't killed by mana, only injured. It's an unfounded assumption to think more mana would kill him.
It's "unfounded" to think what injures can kill when scaled up? That's nonsense.
>Ugin, the guy who couldn't kill the other two titans?
I thought it was heavily inferred that oldwalker Ugin would've been able to kill the titans with relative ease if he had an animist who could shape Zendikar's leylines. He simply fears the unknown consequences of a dead Eldrazi.

>>48683442
I hit your foot with a hammer. You are injured. I drop a twenty ton boulder on your foot. Are you dead?

>>48683442
>It's "unfounded" to think what injures can kill when scaled up? That's nonsense.
It's unfounded because there's no proof that mana could kill him. There's not even proof that mana from other colors would have the same effect. You would need to assume endless amounts of white mana for that to be a valid assumption, and it would still be just an assumption nonetheless.

>He simply fears the unknown consequences of a dead Eldrazi.
Case in point. He doesn't know shit about killing the Eldrazi because he never killed one.

>>48683462
Your analogy is perfect for the Eldrazi, but useless for a being who is present in their entirety like Yawgmoth.
>>48683486
>It's unfounded because there's no proof that mana could kill him. There's not even proof that mana from other colors would have the same effect. You would need to assume endless amounts of white mana for that to be a valid assumption, and it would still be just an assumption nonetheless.
The Legacy Weapon was just another release of mana fired through Urza and the Weatherlight, and it killed Yawgmoth.
Even if that happened because he was wounded by white mana, it just goes in an illogical circle. Now he can be killed by something but not wounded by the same thing?

>Case in point. He doesn't know shit about killing the Eldrazi because he never killed one.
Destroying a titan doesn't kill an Eldrazi. It's entirely possible he killed or saw them killed in ages past, or accurately concluded as much from his studies on their nature.
Assuming "Ugin is wrong about how Eldrazi work" is utterly ridiculous.

>>48683382
He wants to send them to Kamigawa as revenge against the descendants of the nip that BTFO him.

>>48683486
I'm still not sure Ugin didn't just con Nahiri into letting him keep the Eldrazi on Zendikar so he could keep experimenting with them. Hell, Ugin might have been trying to weaponize them to fight Bolas for all we know. Ugin, despite appearing all nice and shit (for a dragon) , could very well be just as bad as Bolas, but we'll never find out until Ugin gets an origins-like treatment.

>>48683537
You've reversed the story, the one that killed him was a descendant of the one on Kamigawa. Kamigawa was a prequel set that took place a good thousand years before any other set (excluding Antiquities).

>>48681408
>Your deck is your mind. Each card represents a memory that impacted you on your travels as a planes walker.
Then why are there the legendary creature restrictions?

>>48683533
>The Legacy Weapon was just another release of mana fired through Urza and the Weatherlight, and it killed Yawgmoth. Even if that happened because he was wounded by white mana, it just goes in an illogical circle. Now he can be killed by something but not wounded by the same thing?
It's not the same thing though. The light from the Legacy Weapon wasn't just mana, it was some mysterious energy powered by Urza's/Glacian's manjuice that literally unmade Yawgmoth.

For all we know Yawgmoth could regenerate from any damage caused by mere channeled mana. We're talking about a disembodied, plane-wide cloud of destruction after all.

>Assuming "Ugin is wrong about how Eldrazi work" is utterly ridiculous.
Utterly ridiculous is to make an empty assumption (that he "could" have killed or seen an eldrazi get killed in the past) upon another empty assumption (that he actually knows anything about killing them when personally didn't) and call it a valid argument.

>>48683588
Never trust a millennia old dragon.

>>48683649
>People that cross Ugin's path often come down with a severe case of trusting-a-millenia-old-dragon.

>>48683620
>It's not the same thing though. The light from the Legacy Weapon wasn't just mana, it was some mysterious energy powered by Urza's/Glacian's manjuice that literally unmade Yawgmoth.
>For all we know Yawgmoth could regenerate from any damage caused by mere channeled mana. We're talking about a disembodied, plane-wide cloud of destruction after all.
If so you're saying releasing the stored energy of the null moon was a pointless gesture.
And I'd be willing to say becoming a conduit for all of Dominaria's mana would unleash greater effects than the Legacy Weapon. The Legacy Weapon was not more than an entire plane. To suggest otherwise is just as empty an insinuation, none of the story claims as much.

>Utterly ridiculous is to make an empty assumption (that he "could" have killed or seen an eldrazi get killed in the past) upon another empty assumption (that he actually knows anything about killing them when personally didn't) and call it a valid argument.
Here's where our context is getting blurry. I meant to say he saw an Eldrazi titan be destroyed (e.g. Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, not Ulamog, the Eldrazi that dwells within the Blind Eternities). This is possible due to the hostility he reacts when Jace suggests killing the titans, and how easily he deduces what occurred when they actually killed the Eldrazi (as in the greater being behind the titan).
Even if he has not seen one die, he clearly knows the accurate nature of their existence, and doubting that is just doubting the story itself. If the eldrazi do not exist as more within the blind eternities, they wouldn't have become more when pulled out of the blind eternities. They did. End of discussion.

>>48683742

But how do you know that enough of a titan got pulled in that killing that part kills the entire crab?

Fundamentally, you can't.

The Blind Eternities is a vast place, and hard to look through.

>>48683616
>why can't I have two copies of the exact same hero fighting side by side

Because shitty writing like that comes from children and comic books.

>>48683742
>If so you're saying releasing the stored energy of the null moon was a pointless gesture.
Not pointless because it destabilized Yawgmoth and bought them enough time to finish him with the Legacy Weapon.

>And I'd be willing to say becoming a conduit for all of Dominaria's mana would unleash greater effects than the Legacy Weapon. The Legacy Weapon was not more than an entire plane. To suggest otherwise is just as empty an insinuation, none of the story claims as much.
But it isn't. You're ignoring the fact that Dominaria's mana and the Legacy Weapon's power are not just quantitatively different but also qualitatively.

It's a fact that the Legacy Weapon killed Yawgmoth. It's not a fact that extra mana would have killed him.

>Even if he has not seen one die, he clearly knows the accurate nature of their existence, and doubting that is just doubting the story itself.
Doubting that is doubting extent of the character's knowledge (and possibly his intentions in revealing such knowledge) in the story, not the story itself.

>>48683766
I doubt Zendikar would do things by half. I am certain it would pull the eldrazi down until there was nothing left to pull.
Remember that Zendikar, the plane itself, is sentient and unendingly furious.

>>48683862
>But it isn't. You're ignoring the fact that Dominaria's mana and the Legacy Weapon's power are not just quantitatively different but also qualitatively.
And yet there are no given qualities for it. This sounds like guesswork and rationalization, I don't remember reading anything like it.

>Doubting that is doubting extent of the character's knowledge (and possibly his intentions in revealing such knowledge) in the story, not the story itself.
It is at least accurate to the degree that there is much more of the greater eldrazi than its titan, and it's reasonable to glean from there that destroying the titan (which is a slim fragment of the greater being, considering titans are the size of a mountain while the greater eldrazi are at minimum the size of a planetoid) would not diminish the greater being.

>>48681234
It is barely stronger than a Phyrexian Dreadnought, which is a generic Phyrexian Warmachine. So, no, its not close to as strong as Yawg.

>>48683911
>generic
Phyrexian dreadnoughts were the greatest and most powerful of phyrexian artifice, stronger than even the high ranking demons of Phyrexia. No need to downplay them.

>>48683898
>And yet there are no given qualities for it. This sounds like guesswork and rationalization, I don't remember reading anything like it.
We know for a fact that it doesn't just channel mana. That's the whole point of Urza's eyes combined with Glacian's spark, it was something designed specifically to destroy someone as powerful as Yawgmoth and not just raw mana.

You're only dismissing this because it undermines your entire argument.

>It is at least accurate to the degree that there is much more of the greater eldrazi than its titan, and it's reasonable to glean from there that destroying the titan (which is a slim fragment of the greater being, considering titans are the size of a mountain while the greater eldrazi are at minimum the size of a planetoid) would not diminish the greater being.
That's why I said it would kill Emrakul limb by limb. While we don't know exactly how big they are we know that at least parts of them can be destroyed by mana. And if the Legacy Weapon is more powerful/lethal than just mana, then it follows that it would destroy Emrakul.

>>48683996
>You're only dismissing this because it undermines your entire argument.
I'm dismissing it because it's empty supposition. There's nothing that implies it is actually anything more.
Yes, it was channeled through the combined planeswalker spark of Urza, and Karn, and the Weatherlight. This doesn't mean that gave it any anti-Yawgmoth properties. It's your headcanon. Cite a single sentence from any book.

>And if the Legacy Weapon is more powerful/lethal than just mana, then it follows that it would destroy Emrakul.
And now you're contradicting yourself. Is it an anti-Yawgmoth superweapon or something that would destroy anything? I agree it would destroy anything, and probably an Eldrazi titan too, but it probably wouldn't kill the entire Emrakul if all the mana on Innistrad couldn't.

>>48684027
>There's nothing that implies it is actually anything more
>proceeds to describe exactly how it's more than channeled mana

>This doesn't mean that gave it any anti-Yawgmoth properties.
>Is it an anti-Yawgmoth superweapon or something that would destroy anything?
I never said anti-Yawgmoth. Read it again, I said it was designed specifically to destroy someone "as powerful as" Yawgmoth. And it's pretty damn obvious that Yawgmoth was the most powerful character in the story.

>but it probably wouldn't kill the entire Emrakul if all the mana on Innistrad couldn't.
Again, because the mana in Innistrad is just mana and not an ultimate spark-powered death ray. If you're going to insist that there's not difference between these two things then there's nothing else to discuss about.

desu the Invasion story is pretty retarded.

>>48684103
>>proceeds to describe exactly how it's more than channeled mana
It's filtered through a spark therefore it's ~MORE~ doesn't fly. Zendikar got filtered through Nissa's and Chandra's sparks, and that didn't bequeath any anti-Eldrazi properties either.

>I never said anti-Yawgmoth. Read it again, I said it was designed specifically to destroy someone "as powerful as" Yawgmoth. And it's pretty damn obvious that Yawgmoth was the most powerful character in the story.
And that doesn't lead into Yawgmoth being stronger than Emrakul('s true and complete eldrazi self). So the bar to destroy Yawgmoth can very much be lower than Emrakul (true).

>Again, because the mana in Innistrad is just mana and not an ultimate spark-powered death ray
The Legacy Weapon isn't either, and insinuating that it is without evidence is wankery. "Sparks were involved" is not evidence.

>>48684161
>It's filtered through a spark
Were did you take that from? We don't know if it was "filtered" or if it was the power from the spark itself with the pieces of the Weatherlight.

In either case it's abundantly clear that it wasn't just mana.

>Zendikar got filtered through Nissa's and Chandra's sparks
They are not even pre-Mending walkers and you're comparing their sparks with something that killed Yawgmoth?

>The Legacy Weapon isn't either
Are you retarded?

>>48684233
>In either case it's abundantly clear that it wasn't just mana.
[citation needed] beyond "sparks were involved therefore ~SOMETHING MORE~"

>>48684243
"Sparks were involved" is an oversimplification at best. You keep pushing because you can't admit you're wrong on something that's otherwise pretty obvious.

>>48684276
Neither of us have any proof for our arguments so it's just a matter of reasoning. However, you cannot give me any reasoning that the Legacy Weapon is more than the mana that makes it up.

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>>48684328
>However, you cannot give me any reasoning that the Legacy Weapon is more than the mana that makes it up

>>48684351
>various magical devices adding oodles of mana to the concoction
Yes it's got a lot of mana. Not more than a plane, though.

>>48681408
So when you're playing limited, you're a planeswalker who ended up on a plane with no memories, trying to figure out what faction to end up in, finding that for instance there's a place for him in the mardu hordes because rwb is open, then using those memories of spells learned on that plane to battle other planeswalkers on it.
Which is why the most flavorful top down sets, like Innistrad, really make you feel like you're there, surrounded by spooky werewolves and vampires

>>48684362
Those artifacts didn't just fuel the Legacy Weapon with mana, they changed the nature of the weapon's power. The stones, for example, contained the accumulated power of two oldwalkers, something that had nothing to do with large quantities of mana. Unless Squee's toy had more mana than the Null Moon, there's absolutely no way it destroyed Yawgmoth with raw mana.

>>48681234
Emmy is nowhere near as powerful as Urza and Yawgmoth were. You have to understand that they were capable of warping reality, creating new planes and new life forms, and completely annihilating entire planes with no problem what so ever. Shit, they would have probably put a leash on Emmy and made her their pet bitch.

>>48681310
A player cannot attack themselves.

>>48681321
Why are people this dumb?

>>48684410
>The stones, for example, contained the accumulated power of two oldwalkers, something that had nothing to do with large quantities of mana.
On the contrary, that has a lot to do with large quantities of mana. The planeswalker spark is all about converting and amplifying the energy of the blind eternities. It's not some unquantifiable "bonus effect".
>Unless Squee's toy had more mana than the Null Moon
I would bet there's more in the Weatherlight, the Mightstone, and Weakstone.

>>48684428
>You have to understand that they were capable of warping reality, creating new planes and new life forms, and completely annihilating entire planes with no problem what so ever
The wank has reached a new level.
Creating new planes is an ordeal even for oldwalkers and it takes a lot out of them to do so.
Yawgmoth has never made a plane. (Rath makes itself out of flowstone over time.)
Neither Yawgmoth nor Urza could destroy a plane with ease. It would take tremendous effort on either's part.
Quit the bullshit.

>>48682603
Emrakul wasn't on Zendikar when Chandra nuked it.

>>48684468
>It would take a lot of effort from their part
This doesn't mean they can't do it at all.

>>48684480
So? It was said that Nissa could not replicate the feat on Innistrad. Even if she could control Innistrad in the way she controls Zendikar, Emrakul would not die that way.
>>48684485
But it is far above "no problem whatsoever". It is, in fact, a very big (but not insurmountable) problem.

>>48681419
>>48684443
>/tg/ is literally so fucking stupid they can't pick up sarcasm from "cause him to kill himself"

>>48684508
>So? It was said that Nissa could not replicate the feat on Innistrad. Even if she could control Innistrad in the way she controls Zendikar, Emrakul would not die that way.
We don't know if Innistrad had enough mana to kill Emmy since Nissa could not even control it (too black compared to the mostly green Zendikar, I think)
Saying that it wouldn't have worked anyway is a stretch

>>48684540
>We don't know if Innistrad had enough mana to kill Emmy since Nissa could not even control it (too black compared to the mostly green Zendikar, I think)
We do know because it comes straight from the horse's mouth.

>He cast his thoughts to the whole group, his spell of protection keeping their minds linked. [No, Chandra. Emrakul is too big. Too powerful. We can't beat her that way. I'm not sure she can be destroyed.]
>[Jace is right. Trying to burn Emrakul is throwing a torch into the ocean. It will not work. Even if all the leylines were available. She is too...vast.] Nissa's voice sounded odd, distant.

>>48684449
Sparks don't generate mana by themselves, they only allow the planeswalker to channel it from other planes and travel the Blind Eternities. That's why you contradict yourself when you imply that the power contained in the stones was stored mana. It wasn't mana but it wasn't an "unquantifiable bonus effect" either, it was a different source of power and the reason the Legacy Weapon was more than something that just something that makes more mana out of thin air, which you don't seem to be able to understand.

>>48684593
>Sparks don't generate mana by themselves, they only allow the planeswalker to channel it from other planes and travel the Blind Eternities.
Planeswalker sparks explicitly pull energy from the blind eternities and make it usable as mana. This is the entire reason the Mending needed to happen, since reality was fracturing as more and more of the blind eternities bled into planar space and frayed it at the fabric. This is also why the Mending depowered planeswalkers; their spark now doesn't channel nearly as much of that energy, but it's also safe for existing in planar space.

>>48684621
They do but that doesn't mean the power from the stones is mana. The planeswalker spark itself is a source of power and the stones were storing that power for years before the Legacy Weapon was built..

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>>48683616
You can have two legendaries of the same name fight side by side, anon. Pic related.

However, if you want to be technical, in the lore all creatures are legendary. Legendary just means a specifically named creature of a given type. While non-legendary spells summon any generic creature of a given type.

Non-legendary summon: You summon a Elf Ranger and a 1/1 Elf Ranger named Jim appears.

Legendary summon; You summon the 1/1 Elf Ranger named Jim.

The reason that you aren't supposed to have multiple of the same name of specific creatures is because there aren't multiples of that creature. Now, there are obviously ways around this rule as Magic is a thing.

I hope this somewhat clearified legendary summons.

>>48681813
Source? I don't remember them going into detail about each titan's role in the multiverse, but then again, I haven't paid very much attention to the lore. If it's true, then doesn't that mean destroying two of them and imprisoning the third has seriously fucked things over?

>>48683990
> demons
Pffsh.

>>48684468
You're the one wanking over emmy. The power level of Dominia was reduced drastically in the mending.

The eldrazi are largely an unknown quantity, so judging the relative power of emrakul and yawgmoth based on how they could be killed is disingenuous. power-man, the character I just invented that has the strength of 1000 supermen and automatically becomes better than any opponent at anything in any quality could be destroyed if there was a plot reason. This doesn't make him canonically weaker than sugarfluff fairy, the character I just invented that's completely harmless but nobody wrote a story about her dying.

It's not currently known what it would take to kill emrakul, or what killing emrakul would mean for the multiverse.
>I guess she's invulnerable then, and yawgmoth died, ergo emmy>yawggy!

This isn't how making speculations about established universes works bud.

>>48683346
>What a terrible misconception
Typical of Urzafags and Phyrexiafags, really.

>>48681321
You are absolutely retarded.
If you do not win 100% of the time after controlling an opponents turn, you are simply a bad player or your deck does absolutely nothing.

>>48684362

>Null Rod
>adding mana

Uh

>>48684709
>It's not currently known what it would take to kill emrakul
A larger plane to pull her in and then burn her?

>>48684709
Planes were not even affected by the mending.
While Eldrazi are unknown, the latest story put Emrakul on a level above "the entirety of Innistrad's mana channeled into destruction". Nothing indicates Yawgmoth would be at that level. That's all my inference points to.

No planeswalker has ever defeated Caillou by sealing him in a silver moon. Caillou must be even harder to kill than Emrakul.

>>48683588
>I'm still not sure Ugin didn't just con Nahiri into letting him keep the Eldrazi on Zendikar so he could keep experimenting with them.

Ugin is pretty clearly against the idea of killing them, and he very definitely needed Nahiri and Zendikar for his leyline project. He could come up with the plans to trap them, AND FUCKING ALREADY HAD, but he immediately dismissed the idea of killing them with vague notions about it not being wise. Sorin and Nahiri took him at his word because what the fuck else were they supposed to do, keep trying and failing at what they were already doing?

Add that to his dismissiveness of the idea of killing them to Jace, and his rage when he finds out that two were killed, and I really have no trouble at all buying the idea that Ugin was perfectly aware that they could be killed, but didn't want to because they were his science project and he wanted to study them. Nahiri actually called him on that, but Sorin changed the subject before Ugin could respond.

Actually, it's the Jace encounter that makes me think he was aware of it and chose to not kill them most of all. Ugin shows Jace the schematics for how to trap the Eldrazi, and it doesn't take a whole lot for Jace to realise that they could be easily adapted into pulling the entirety of the Eldrazi into a plane, where they could in theory be killed. But they're still Ugin's schematics, and he's a fuckload smarter than Jace is. If Jace could figure it out, so could Ugin.

What this all says, of course, is that Shadowrun is right. Never, ever cut a deal with a dragon.

>>48684733

*win 100% of the time after controlling an opponent's turn immediately before they take another turn under their own control

The bonus turn is what makes the new Emrakul a game-ender in Standard and middling at best everywhere else.

>>48684648
Sparks aren't the source of a planeswalker's power. They draw their power from a greater unknown power source in the Blind Eternities. After the Mending, their connection to this power source was mostly severed. And now they are just super mages that can planeswalk. Before the Mending though, a Planeswalker was a being that existed in the Blind Eternities and just made a body on a plane for it to use. The Eldrazi are kind of based on this aspect of oldwalkers. But, the oldwalkers were reality warping beings. They could change a plane how they saw fit. They could create a new plane. They could destroy a plane. They could turn themselves and other beings into anything they wanted to.

Emrakul in concept is a watered down oldwalker.

>>48683898

Technically, a bunch of the lesser brood for Kozilek and Ulamog are still alive, right? So there are still bits and pieces of Eldrazi left.

>>48683001
Trigger is on cast so 'unfun' doesn't happen with cheating it into play.

>>48684789
Yes, but they will just get slaughtered. They aren't like the Titans and pose no real threat to a plane, just to individual weaklings.

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>>48684814
Tell that to pic related.

>>48684752
>Nothing indicates Yawgmoth would be at that level.

http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Urza

>Problems arose though in how to power the ship's Mana Battery, as the mana energies needed to charge its Powerstone core was an entire plane worth. In other words, to save his world, Urza would have to sacrifice another. With much regret, Urza decided to use the energies of the collapsing Phyrexian-overrun plane of Serra's Realm to do so, while at the same time try to save as many people from that plane as possible.

The weatherlight was just one piece of the legacy. While we don't know how much mana Innistrad is worth, I would intuitively think it's weaker than Serra's realm.

It seems to be that you're largely ignoring how much time and effort it took to construct a weapon capable of destroying Yawgmoth

>Planes were not even affected by the mending.
Not Dominaria. DOMINIA. Dominia is the antiquated term for the universe used by older walkers. The multiverse after the time-spiral events is a weaker setting. It's like comparing Code Geass to Gurren Lagaan, the rules are inherently different.

>>48684785
>And now they are just super mages that can planeswalk.
Sorta, the spark does still let them establish and maintain mana bonds on multiple planes, so over time they can reach much greater heights than any plane-bound mage. Same floor, but a much higher, possibly infinite gradient they can climb given time to do so.

Obnoxious talks about how his spark reawakening re-established some of his old mana bonds and gave him a shitton more power than he'd been working with:

>The energy overwhelmed my senses. My vision flared to white, and I couldn't sense my body. The power burned through me, a rushing torrent of agony and perfection, and deep within my core, first as a glimmer, and then as a blazing flame, my spark. My spark returned. The Multiverse stretched out before me once more! I could feel the worlds, countless worlds, familiar and new, splayed out on an infinite canvas of realities. I felt them as pinpricks of light, beacons of power in the distance.

>One by one, I felt my connections to my old conquered worlds reappear. Not all of them, but enough. It had been so long. I let loose an enormous bolt of withering annihilation into the armies below, cutting off their retreat and forcing them back into Ulamog's path.

>>48684520
>hurr i just pretendet to be retardet

>>48684865
>While we don't know how much mana Innistrad is worth, I would intuitively think it's weaker than Serra's realm.
Don't forget yawgmoth tanked the energy contained inside the Null Moon before the legacy weapon killed him.

>>48684865
But Serra realm was used because it was weak, it was already collapsing because it was originally made with only white mana making it unable to handle existing in the blind eternities, while Innistrad is a natural plane so it has all five colors and is far more stable. Unless Innistrads entire population is actually entirely seeded it's definitely stronger.

>>48684865
>The weatherlight was just one piece of the legacy. While we don't know how much mana Innistrad is worth, I would intuitively think it's weaker than Serra's realm.
Nigga an artificial plane that wasn't even comprised of five elements is in no way as powerful as a living natural plane. Serra's realm was in the process of self-destruction when it was converted into a powerstone.

>Not Dominaria. DOMINIA. Dominia is the antiquated term for the universe used by older walkers. The multiverse after the time-spiral events is a weaker setting.
Hollow fucking fanon. The only things depowered was planeswalkers themselves. Avacyn was as powerful as she should be as the construct of an oldwalker who sacrificed much of his personal power to craft. (i.e. she kicks neowalkers around effortlessly)

>>48684916
>she kicks neowalkers around effortlessly
Who doesn't

>>48684939
>Who doesn't
Ordinary mortal mages and warriors? Jace handles some werewolves pretty easily.

>>48684916
>Hollow fucking fanon. The only things depowered was planeswalkers themselves.
Hollow fucking fanon.
> The only things depowered was planeswalkers themselves.
>a significant part of the setting is weaker with no compensation
>not a lower-power setting

>Nigga an artificial plane that wasn't even comprised of five elements is in no way as powerful as a living natural plane. Serra's realm was in the process of self-destruction when it was converted into a powerstone.
Serra's realm was one part of one object that was itself just one piece of the legacy.

>>48684939
Anyone Elspeth's fought?

>>48684939
Heliod when Elspeth no sold him shoving a sun down her throat.

>>48684981
Didn't she think he was blessing her that time?

>>48684971
>this thing was lower therefore everything is lower
Now this is some top class sophistry! Accurately, the only thing affected was Planeswalkers. Yes, planeswalkers are a part of "everything", but that doesn't imply anything but planeswalkers is lesser. You're literally just going off on your own little semantics to generate incorrect thinking (that magic itself was weaker etc.).
And I still don't think the Legacy is equivalent to a (real, not-dying) plane being used as a hammer. Furthermore, I'd believe that the Weatherlight is the single most powerful piece of the Legacy.

>>48684998

I think you're wrong about the Legacy, but I know you're objectively right about the setting not being 'weaker'. It is, however, a slightly lower-magic setting since the primary, hilariously fuckoff powerful 'protagonists' are now significantly weaker, so in the stories (and the setting in general) magic is generally used in less powerful ways, thus making it a 'lower magic setting', even though technically magic itself is equally as powerful as it used to be.

>>48684986
Oh Elspeth you naive bitch.

>>48684986
No, Heliod was just bitching at her about "stealing" the sword from him when in truth he'd been in the process of stealing it from Purphoros, so he tried to burn her from the inside out with the sun.

>The scorching heat was relentless. Elspeth stopped trying to fight the pain and found a quiet corner of her mind. She imagined a field of golden wheat, the stalks bowed by a strong wind. Nearby, there was also a quaint farmhouse with a thatch roof that she remembered from her dreams. Like a child building a wall of blocks, Elspeth assembled a mystical blockade and made herself immune to the light. Her skin became impenetrable to the damage wrought by the god she had offended. Presently, she walked out of the corner of her mind and found that the pain was gone.
>“I am Heliod, the greatest of these,” said the voice carried by the winds. “Who are you? How have you done such a thing?”

He subsequently ran away like a bitch because he realised he couldn't stop her from taking the sword if she wanted to.

>>48684998
>I'd believe that the Weatherlight is the single most powerful piece of the Legacy
But that's dumb, why would you believe that?

>>48685079
Huh it's been a while since I read those. If only the writing wasn't so half-assed.

>>48685096
How good do you think Heliod is at chess?

>>48685102
I think he'd be pretty bad, he has no forward thinking and will probably sacrifice his queen so that a pawn somewhere won't die.

>>48685117
But what if he's _really_ good at chess?

>>48685122
Then I guess he wouldn't do that?

>>48683210
'Sentient'? She doesn't even have a face.

>>48685117
wait didnt heliod kill elspeth

>>48685135
Elspeth killed herself by being a shitty character.

>>48685128
I don't think you're getting my reference

>>48685135
He did, even though she was 100% doing exactly what he told her to do. She was probably going to off herself right after anyway because that was part of the deal she made with Erebos.

>>48685144
I'm really not, but I'd like to know.

>>48685162
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/promised-end-2016-07-27

"Do you play chess?" The voice continued as if Jace had been spouting as much nonsense as she was. Jace was tempted to shout again, but didn't think it would do much good. Besides, he did play chess. He was quite good at it.

"Yes, I play chess."

"Would you play a game with me?" She stopped writing and rolled up the scroll.

"I'm not sure I have time to play..."

"If you win, this all stops. I will give you all the answers you want." She tucked the scroll behind her.

Jace suspected a trap, but he was really good at chess. "And if you win?"

It kills me that people will argue for hours about power levels as though it isn't literally something thrown out on a whim by underpaid writers and which will be changed at convenience.

could Urza have killed the Theros Gods

>>48685193
>but he was really good at chess.
Fucking awful writing.

>>48685204
If you're still here that can only mean you want to die.

>>48683281
The null moon was a spaxe station that had been gathering pure white mana for millenia. Learn2fluff

>>48683346
Both of you are wrong and right. The mana rig is in theory capable of mapping an entire plane into a powerstone. As its purpose is to pull bits and pieces off of other planes to use as the energy for the stones. This is a theory that was later proven a success when aforementioned serras realm was stuffed into a rock in its entirety

>>48685205
I guess in a way he couldn't have but technically he could? He could blow the gods to bits till people only believe in him rather than the gods he's been blowing up constantly but I'm not so sure that even that'll kill them. But the gods are very good at artifact destruction and 90% of Urzas power comes from his artifice, so maybe they could gain the upper hand?

It's not really set in stone how powerful the gods are, Xenagos was the weakest and it took the strongest neowalker wielding a sword made to kill the gods and someone whos magic is about making people reach their maximum potential.

>>48682603

Did you read the fucking books?

They threw ALL of dominaria white mana in yawgmoth face and he wasn't even wounded seriously.

To kill him they threw the full legacy on him, which included all the mana of a plane topped by all the mana of a spark, plus a couple of actual gods.

>>48684362

>the engine is literally a fucking plane
>plane + other stuff is less than a plane

You sure are bad at math

>>48684899

Stable and strong are not sinonimous, anon

>>48685339
Ok, lets put it like this, a plane so weak that it was at risk to fall apart whenever red or black mana entered it or a plane that survived and apocalypse. Which do you think is stronger?

>>48685380

It has not to do on the quantity of mana, it has to do with the % of the various kinds of mana.

Equilor was an extremely stable plane, but it was nearly inhert in terms of mana

Serra was a solid 90% white, and the other 10% blue and green.

Innistrad, even if it had a spike of black, is still somewhat balanced

>>48685419
That doesn't change the fact that Serras realm was created while Innistrad was natural, unless Serra was actually the most powerful oldwalker of all time it's not going to be as strong as an actual plane that isn't trillions of years old.

>>48685432
sorin made innistrad though

>>48685432

Created planes and natural planes are equally strong.

Mirrodin has the same mana as any other plane, phyrexia probably had a mana level on par with zendikar

>>48685436

no he did not

>>48685436
What. Where did you get that?

>>48685447
Mirrodin was made in a space where another plane was supposed to go, that's a part of Mirrodins history it's the reason the suns exist otherwise it would have collapsed like every other created plane.

>>48685432
It doesn't matter because planeswalkers back then could transfer all that mana around to create planes.

>>48685467

Karn placed mirrodin on an "empty but desolate space". There was no mana to create the suns.

Karn was simply very good at engeneering. Also, by being colorless, he could create a plane without intrinsically unbalancing it

>>48681234
Counterspell doesn't kill the creature. It thwarts your attempt to use mana to recreate it. It's like cutting the fuse before it ignites the bomb.

Now you can just kill it with a dreadbore or whatever so there you go.

>>48685570
Does that mean Dreadbore has more mana than Serra's Realm?

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>>48681234
im the strongest entity in the magic universe, im just that great

>>48685588
Dreadbore is a red and black spell so it has infinitely more red and black mana than Serra's Realm, since there's none there

Every time we have these threads the same arguments are made over and over again. It's like Goku vs. Superman arguments kids have on the playground. goku would win by the way

>>48685677
That's a lie and you know it.
Everyone would win because they'd both be friends.

>>48685692
___:)___

>>48685264
Now you're just wanking harder than ever. The null moon was not all of Dominaria's white mana, not even close. The Legacy was not a conduit for Dominaria.
>plus a couple of actual gods
Gods only exist on Theros, you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>48685750
>Oldwalkers are not effective gods

>>48681595
"Wow timmy, you saw those four planeswalkers four times! Man, you must be a lucky kid!"

>>48684843
How is ulting Jace cheesing Emrakul? It needs so much set up. Its not hypergenesis or reanimate

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>>48681234
>Emrakul
>Stronger than Yawgmoth

>>48683050
> DAE anus mana and semantics XD!!

You fucking knew what he meant.

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When did we peak?

>>48685594
This is literally me

>>48687489
Time Spiral

>>48687489
Antiquities

>>48687402
This.

>Wizards confirming that Yawgmoth was so powerful that if they gave him a card it would be bullshit of the highest caliber

>>48683990
>phyrexian demons

Isn't that something they kind of retconned? I know there's oldschool Yawgmoth Demon, but almost all later Phyrexians were horrors and whatnot.

>>48687489
Peak at what?

>>48688270
Demon was a title.

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>>48681234
Not even old emrakul could defeat selesbian purest love

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>>48687489
Alpha

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>>48681234
>Emrakul is the strongest being in the multiverse and nigh unstoppable
>Random alchemist's family chili recipe can destroy her projection and make her fuck off
Where were you when Innistrad was saved by a 1-drop enchantment?

>>48681234
>strongest entity
>13/13
>gets blocked by a 1/1 squirrel

>>48687201
Ehh. It can be done a lot quicker than you think. Also, it allows you to cast it rather than put it into play. SoC all benefits.

>>48689627

Only if it's a flying squirrel. With 13 toughness.

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>>48689703
> blocked
> never said it doesn't die
Bitch. I have a squirrel deck. I can have infinite squirrels and they do get flying from levitation.

EMRAKUL: Mightiest of Beings
> destroyed by an onslaught of flying squirrels

>>48689703
>With 13 toughness
no need

>>48689777
>b-but it was only a planar shadow of the real Emrakul a-and

>>48687489
The definitive Magic runs from original Mirrodin through Kamigawa, Ravnica, Time Spiral, Lorwyn, Alara, Zendikar, and ends back with Scars. A competitive format limited to only cards from these blocks would be amazing.

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>>48689777
There is absolutely nothing wrong or even odd about this scenario.

Pic related.

>>48681234

I'm sure you are a bundle of fun and joy at any occasion.

they aren't normal squirrels anyway. MTG squirrels are 1/1, ss tough and dangerous as a normal human being. How many squirrels have you seen that would be an even fight with a person?

clearly earth squirrels are just scrubs, compared to the multiverse.

>>48689894
>The definitive Magic runs from original Mirrodin
already started wrong

Also.. ravnica and lorwyn were shit.

>>48690054

You're shit.

>>48689894
Definitive magic is Alpha through Ice Age.

"Peak" can mean all sorts of shit, though. I wouldn't want to draft Ice Age.

>nicol Bolas
>strong

i love this meme

>>48689777
>Liliana summons an endless amount of Zombies
>Still can't deal with Emrakul

>>48684666
>The reason that you aren't supposed to have multiple of the same name of specific creatures is because there aren't multiples of that creature.
but it's just a simulacrum. there shouldn't be any reason why a planeswalker could not simply create a legion of replica Thalias, because the thing you summon is simply a mana construct rather than the original being.

>>48690640
She only needs six zombies to deal with Emrakul.

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>>48690654
Its just bad lore all around. They've always skirted around this issue.

If you had to go with headcannon, though, art always points to the summons being real. Is (for example) Liliana just raising fake zombies? Doesn't even make sense. Old lore from the books has that summons can be unwilling, and the point of Feroz's ban is to protect a plane from Planeswalkers doing their thing. Officially retconned stuff, but they aren't exactly solid on the new fluff either.

>>48690667
6*2=12
I don't understand your math here, anon.

>>48689966
OR earth humans are godlike

>>48690515
He is. Urza could have taken him, though.

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>>48683001
Magic's been that way for awhile.

Cheating Emrakul into play can be disrupted by most decks and doesn't get you the "when you cast this" bonus.

>>48690761
Her plus ability.

>>48681234
It should have "Emrakul, the Promised End can block any number of Additional creatures".

It fits with her fighting through thousands of tentacles and limbs and would make the controlled turn much more relevant since you could get rid of a bunch of creatures.

>>48683462
Yes, because I bleed to death. Thanks for playing.

>>48684678
It's just a theory ATM but there's been plenty of evidence of this in the last year.

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>>48683322
>Emrakul the Aeons Torn is perhaps the best creature ever printed.

>>48681629
"I hear you've been seeing a lot of Lilliana."
"Yes, almost all of her in fact."

>>48691109
He probably meant to say the best creature ever printed to drop with S&T.

>>48689075
>1-drop
>you need 2 mana total to use the ability
baka

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>>48683001
>>48683050

>>48691441
>not just absorbing unruly children back into your testicles
plebeian

>>48690810

Someone post the two edited versions.

>>48691478
http://i.imgur.com/PLmdS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jXk2fXm.jpg

>>48690803
literally nobody cared about him until he got the Planeswalker card.

All this 'lol he's been behind everything for ever since the beginning' is just stupid.

>>48691564
Because Legends isn't a story set. He was just a one off random named card before.

I wouldn't say no one "cared" about him, though. Unless you mean strictly in a story sense, since he had none.

Won't argue about dumb writing, though. Perennial MTG problem. Less dumb than the Eldrazi, though. At least he's a character.

>>48691441
lol i love this

>>48690654
The 2nd Ice Age Book goes into details of this.

When you are summoning a Legendary creature. You are taking all the knowledge you have of that specific named creature & creating a copy in space of that specific person. It takes a greater deal of concentration then normal cause you have to fill in a lot of details for that creatures memories. If you summon a second one you basically find it hard to concentrate using the same memories for two different creatures & end up loosing concentration

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>>48691441
>Played in Hugh School when Mirrodin came out
>Stopped playing the set before Theros
>Come back Shadows
>Show up to my LCS on the same day that just happens to be the Pre release for shadows
>Decide to play
>Only recognize one patron named Jim, the rest are all newer players and younger.
>First round against some 16 year old
>starts talking shit saying he's the best player at that shop and will win in 10 minutes for both games
>Jim from across the room hears the smack talking and says "Anon, kick his ass"
>Go 2-0 against him
>Go 4-0 in the entire pre release tournament and get 1st
>mfw

putting younglings in their place is best.

>>48692014
Based jim

>>48690054

>Ravnica
>Shit

I... have literally never heard anyone else say that. Can you say why you think this?

>>48689646
No, its not fast. Even with doubling season, ulting Jace straight away is jank as hell with a healthy dose of setup. I would rather entomb, then exhume Griselbrand.

>>48691441
>Planeshift fat pack

I'm fucking dying

>>48690654
They aren't made from mana, mana is the energy used to conjure them. The duplicate summons are made of the Æther from the Blind Eternities.

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>>48690803
>Defeated by a human nippon
>He didn't even send him to the future where his evil is law
0/10 would not make keikakku with him

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>>48694039
You'd rather what, anon? Now you're speaking my language.

>>48694905
decklist plz

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>>48683210
There's really zero indication either way on whether or not the Eldrazi are sentient. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, maybe their brains are so fundamentally different that they wouldn't consider us sentient either.

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>>48695050
Old pic. But the two Dread Returns are replaced with another Reanimate and Exhume. And the Raven's Crimes are replaced with two more Cabal Theropys.

>>48695112
Depends on the Eldrazi that makes them. The Broods, Spawns, and Drones are not sentient. The Horror from Emrakul are somewhat sentient, just under the influence of Emmy. And Emmy herself is hardcore sentient. Having feelings and compassion.

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>>48681234
>Emrakul is the most powerful entity known in the Multiverse
>15/15
>Marit Lage, basically a Kraken, is 20/20
>?????
Explain this MTG-tards

>>48695392
Marit Lage isn't a kraken.

>>48695392
The stars weren't properly aligned.

>>48695392
Marit Lage is a massive monster that couldn't be killed and was frozen in a glacier to be stopped. She can also travel across planes.

> basically a kraken
Learn your shit or shut your shit.

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>>48681408

I fucking love the old Magic lore, from before Maro and other faglords got the bright idea that worthless NPCs like Gerrard and Jace should be the stars of the show instead of players self-inserting like motherfuckers.

Yes, I started playing in fucking 1993.

>>48692064

Not him but I hated the multicolor focus and the total dissolution of the allied and enemy colors paradigm. If white doesn't hate black, it ain't right.

>>48695473
> posts Damnation as pic representing his love for old lore before MaRo shit the bed
> worthless NPCs
> like Gerrard
> Invasion block
> pic from Planar Chaos
> but started in 1993
Get the fuck outta here.

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>>48695506

They should just make a Hate Block set on a Hate Plane where literally every card is a color hoser. Every single one.

>>48695539
>posts Damnation as pic representing his love for old lore before MaRo shit the bed

No I didn't. I posted Damnation as a way to curse using a Magic card. Twat.

>>48695545
>Color specific hate is never coming back

Why even play if I can't punish my opponent for playing blue?

>>48695539
Gerrard was introduced in Weatherlight and was finally put out of everyone's misery in Invasion. An actually short amount of years, but a terrible time for Magic lore. I certainly lost interest in the game because of it.

>>48695473
>I am the worst thing to ever happen to M:tG
> - Gerrard of the Weatherlight

>>48695617
DMPCs. Not even once.

>>48695604
I stated Invasion because that was the last block he was apart of. And if you lost interest in the game because of the bad writing back then, then why are you here now?

>>48695604
>An actually short amount of years

Four years is not a short time.

For four years, almost every fucking card was ruined by having the art or flavor text or both reference the same ten quippy whedonesque unlikable boring assholes. As annoying as Gaywatch is, they don't come close to the same level of obscene oversaturation. I knew a lot of people who literally quit the game over that, and I can't blame them because it was a fucking shit time.

>>48695634
>I stated Invasion because that was the last block he was apart of

What the fuck are you talking about? I never quit the game, and never said I did.

>>48695634
Because I got back into the game later, obviously?

>>48695683
>As annoying as Gaywatch is, they don't come close to the same level of obscene oversaturation.
Chandra on burn spells.

>>48695683
Can't really argue. I'm still bummed out that I missed a great age of Magic settings in the 2000s because Gerrard and co. chased me out of the game.

>>48682281
Underrated comment

>>48681511
>He doesn't remember the golden age of Urza's Armor and pestilence

>>48681511

>lands
>gimmicky garbage

I don't have a reaction image that is confused enough for my response to this.

Wasn't Gerrard super hyped up? Like THE PERFECT HUMAN or some shit

And then his card sucked, lel

>>48692064
Stupid setting and bad cards overall.

>>48695545
Jesus can you imagine

Everything would go to time

>>48694905
Im sorry, I dont speak memes. Get back when you get proper duals and other stuff.

>>48690803
>Urza could have taken him
Urza is the 'walker most vulnerable to mental attacks (due to his very fragile and fleeting sanity to begin with) and Nicol Bolas is the strongest planeswalker focused on mental assaults. That fight would have no chance for Urza unless he was in one of his Titans or something.

>>48688618
I want to shove my mauve avenger into sidgarda's dank white mana filled pussy

>>48681374
Can I play it vs kibbler and force him to confess that his wife is a beard and his true love is his side fuck bad-dragon.com?

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>>48697074
> proper duals for a mono-black deck
You were saying something about proper duals?

>>48696134
>Urza's Armor
>Pestilence
>Reassembling Skeleton
I won so many matches like this.

>>48702649
pre-Unlimited? Otherwise they're trash.

>>48702763
Beta.

>>48702763
I wouldn't refer to unlimited duals as trash.

>>48690803
Nicol Bolas got to the point where he was so powerful that he literally couldn't even manifest on a plane except in a very small number of spots where the confluence of leylines was enough to let him manifest without destroying the entire plane purely as a side effect of his very existence. After he became a Planeswalker, his first ever duel wrecked a continent of Dominaria.

If Urza is Batman, Bolas is Superman. And Urza's getting tossed into the sun no matter how much the batfags bitch.

>>48681687
severely underrated

>>48703732
> if Urza is Batman, then Batman has godlike powers, can create and destroy world's, create and end civilizations, take other beings godlike powers and put them into trinkets to use at his will, and able to end other Gods with machines

>>48703817
Sooo... Batman?

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>>48703848
Emrakul is Poison Ivy.

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>>48704031

>>48704031
Meh, I'd still hit it.

>>48704431
Thats what paper sacks are for.

>>48683255
New Emrakul doesn't cost 13 mana to cast, it costs 6. The pro tour showed us that.

>>48705259
Only 6 Mana? What kind of deck was being used during the Pro Tour? I haven't seen the video of it yet.

>>48703732
If Urza is Batman and Bolas is Superman then who is Yawgmoth?

>>48705312
Squirrel Girl

>>48703732
>his first ever duel wrecked a continent of Dominaria.

On this point though, Urza did that in his duel with Mishra, and neither of them were even Planeswalkers. All done with artifacts.

>>48705304
Delirium strats. Vessel of nasency, hangarback walkers, grapple with the past, etc. Some used prized amalgam for SYNERGY, others just went ramp, still others just went turbo self-mill.

>Land, Artifact, Enchantment, Creature, Instant, Sorcery, Planeswalker
By turn 5 they have that in their yard reliably, and next turn the emrakuls start hitting.

Oh, and did I mention they play Coax From the Blind Eternities to recur Emrakul if you hit it with Infinite Obliteration?

>>48702888
That clown doesn't even know how to differentiate an unlimited and beta card at a glance and you're dignifying a response?

>>48703732
>Wrecking Dominaria
>An accomplishment

literally everyone and their mother has caused an apocalypse on Dominaria

>>48703817
Hey, he is right, Urza won against phyrexia because of prep time.

>>48705391
Nifty.

>>48705410
Some kids gotta learn sometime. I don't expect everyone to be oldfags like us.

>>48695473

Gerrard in the books was an excellently written character, as was most of the Weatherslight crew (with the exception of sisay, which had little to none screen time)

>>48705425
I imagine Dominaria is the opposite of our world, instead of having doomsday cult that predict the apocalypse is near they have cult that predict that there won't be an apocalypse any time soon, but in both world they are always wrong.

>>48705559
>Guys, next year we swear everything will be fine. We've predicted it.