/aSoIaF/ General

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>>48578260
Who is best minor house ?

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>>48578361

Tarly.

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>>48578361
The best House.

>>48578698
Isnt that Lannister now ?

>>48578729
Sh-shut up. Lannister quartered with Darry.

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>>48578361
House Mormont, bitches.

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>>48578772
I meant to include this.

>>48577920
I think the actual answer is "pages through a D&D 3e book for equipment and armor".

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>>48578855
>>48578772
I do wonder what will happen since Kevans son pretty much left his wife and holdings.

>>48578361

How minor is 'minor'? Any one that isn't a great house or something like the Westerlings?

>>48578929
The House will disappear to the past, and some new lordling will take up the holdings.

>>48578988
I was thinking below the likes of Hightower/Frey. Third of fourth rate houses

>>48579000

I'd consider those both to be major houses second tier to only the regional lords (Stark, Lannister, etc). -Maybe- Frey could be considered third rate before the Red Wedding but even then they'd be on the border. Hightower on the other hand is absolutely one of the most powerful houses in the Reach, possibly second to the Tyrells themselves and the Gardeners before them.

>>48579072

He said the kinds of houses you'd find serving under those ones you goof

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>>48579107

Shit, he did.

Sooo how is the Song of Ice and Fire RPG anyway? I've been getting really into the setting with a friend and we've talked about maybe running a game, but neither of us know anything about the system.

>>48579712
House creation is freaking awesome. The rest of the rules are rather hard to get your head around.

>>48578395
Sammy a beast

>>48579712
Its alright. Its the kind of system where everyone is allowed to build their own niches. On the flip side there are a shit-ton of rules that you might end up not using for the sake of simplicity.

As long as you keep things grounded you should be good.

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>>48578361
Reeds

>>48579712
Some good stuff, some bad stuff.
It works better at what it does then a general system would, but it could stand some improvements too.
The sidebars about numbers on House Creation for Influence and Land mean are ALL WRONG, and it feels like they were written before anyone knew what the system was actually going to be like or by someone who's never seen the rules.

That's just easy fluff to fix though.

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>>48578361
>Who is best minor house ?
THE FIRE RISES

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>>48578361
>I want to live forever in a land where summer lasts a thousand years. I want a castle in the clouds where I can look down over the world. I want to be six-and-twenty again. When I was six-and-twenty I could fight all day and fuck all night. What men want does not matter. Winter is almost upon us, boy. And winter is death. I would sooner my men die fighting for the Ned's little girl than alone and hungry in the snow, weeping tears that freeze upon their cheeks. No one sings songs of men who die like that. As for me, I am old. This will be my last winter. Let me bathe in Bolton blood before I die. I want to feel it spatter across my face when my axe bites deep into a Bolton skull. I want to lick it off my lips and die with the taste of it on my tongue.
-Hugo "Big Bucket" Wull

George Rape Rape Martin is a fucking hack who substitutes splatterporn and tittyporn for writing ability.

That is all.

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>>48583774
And I love him for it.

>>48583746
>the Ned

I fucking love the mountain clans.

>>48585059
The Mountain Clans are barely removed culturally from the Free Folk themselves it seems.

>>48579712
As long as you can into dice pools it's fairly easy to pick up, though social combat takes a little learning. Like anons have said a little refluffing is us in order, but nothing too major. Things like pond meaning small lake and stream meaning small river. I like to use fighting as part of combat defense as well. You can check out some of the archived quests to give yourself some ideas of how stuff works. I'd recommend karban or harrock, as bourdain was initially rolled wrong and is stupidly powerful.

>>48585059
They were one of the best parts of ADWD for me.

>>48585059
>When Stannis has to explained why someone is named "Big Bucket"

>Greyjoy Rebellion Edition

Okay, so, we had Yara/Asha team up with Dany in the TV series. Dany told her the raiding would come to an end. Think she has a better use for them, though? Seems to me they should be allowed to maintain some arable farmland on the mainland and used as explorers/settlers. Just upending their way of life and economy is going to cause another rebellion down the road.

I wish I had someone to play the LCG with. It looks like a lot of fun. Rather like L5R without the massive cash investment.

I played the hell out of the first iteration of the boardgame. You really started up in each others' faces though. It was very unforgiving and a faction could get wiped within the first few turns. If one player wasn't really trying the whole dynamic would get skewed.

>>48585452
Raid, reeve and raping will never end. As long ass it's OTHER nations WAAAAY over there that they raid, reeve and rape im sure no one will notice

>>48585452
>Daenerys
>Thinking things through
nah

>>48578260
What did Robert Baratheon look like before he became a fat, degenerate slob?

>>48585848
Tall, strong and handsome. He could wield his warhammer with one hand. Eddard could barely lift it with both of his.

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>>48585848

He was an xboxhuge warrior lord who swung a giant hammer around like it was made of plastic. He one-shot Rhaegar with it.

>>48585452

The Ironborn aren't really that dependent on reaving anymore and haven't been for some time. Aside from Balon's Rebellion and Balon's Rebellion 2: Drowned God Boogaloo I doubt they've even been able to do much raiding of the mainlands since becoming part of the Aegon's Kingdoms seeing as raiding your peers who are all now united (most of the time) is something that will probably get your shit kicked in.

Ironborn are a lot like Klingons. You know the question that pops up on /tg/ from time to time about how the Klingons can have things like science and infrastructure when they're supposedly a 'warrior' race? It's like that. The truth is, of course, that while the Klingons might romanticize honor and battle in their culture, in reality all but the most extreme members understand that you have to do other things as well to get shit done.

Same with the Ironborn. They might all circlejerk each other about who loves the Drowned God most at a Kingsmoot, but in day to day life a lot of them have been farming and fishing and finding other more mundane ways of living for generations.

>>48585481

I don't suppose you live in the Twin Cities (MN)?

>>48586532
The reason they're raiding and shit is that they really can't do anything else. What does Daemerys do when a really brutal winter come along? Let them die out?

And they do reave, they just do it on the stepstones as they agreed with Aegon, but Daenerys seems to imply no reaving ever

>>48586959
>The reason they're raiding and shit is that they really can't do anything else. What does Daemerys do when a really brutal winter come along? Let them die out?

So long they arent mean it is okay.

>>48586316
By all accounts their duel lasted a while. The stroke that stove in Rhaegar's chest was not the first one.

If Euron actually has Valyrian Steel Armor, why didn't he wear it at the Kingsmoot to appear more intimidating?

>>48587716
>If Euron actually has Valyrian Steel Armor,

Jesus Christ. How does one get so much Valyrian steel ?

>>48587747
Presumably he recovered it from the ruins of Valyria, which is still suspicious to me (did it have his exact proportions?)

>>48583774
>I have only seen the show

>>48587857
He's right though, he's massively overrated

>>48586959
Actually, no.
The Iron Islands DO have both arable land and fishing waters, they just like raiding. As a point of fact, nearly none of what they take is foot, instead taking valuables or captives for thralldom.
They then use these thralls to farm the arable land on the Iron Islands because their religion says they can't.

The prior two generations of lords (especially the last) before Balon actually kept raiding to a bare minimum and what they could take and couldn't take was strictly limited by Balon's father, and they didn't starve even once.
The Iron Born don't need to raid to survive anymore, and several times in their history they have gone without it, especially as their raiding has traditionally been less then successful. It's only even working now because everyone's at war and were they not then they'd get their shit packed in AGAIN, like the last three times they tried it.

They just romanticize the fuck out of the raiding periods, that's all.
Like white folks in America above the age 60 romanticize the 1950's.

>>48588393
So raping and pillaging is their childhood smoking drinking and eating jello brand mastic?

>>48588393
Only they don't, friend, Aeron mentions that the soil is too poor to support grain so they're forced to either mine and trade or fish.

And they didn't keep reaving to a bear minimum, Balons grandad was Dagom Greyjoy, who caused a bit of a crisis when he started raising the Westerlands and the North and killed the stark lord.
And even Quellon raided in the stepstones and the summer sea alongside Dagmar, Euron and Balon.

I'd suggest you read up on why northmen went Viking, seeing as the Iron born face the same issues

>>48588785
>Only they don't, friend, Aeron mentions that the soil is too poor to support grain so they're forced to either mine and trade or fish.

>Thralls are used for farming and mining, activities which the ironmen consider unsuitable for free men.
>farming

From The World of Ice and Fire. They at the very least have some farmland.

>>48589038
I'm going by the books, not the world book filled with errors

>>48585452
Do like the Farwynds said and point those fuckers at Asshai.

Sponsor a host of second born sons to colonize the stepstones, give yourself a good base to police slavers bay and keep those other fuckers in line.

Recolonize Skane.

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>>48589237
Implying Aeron's not just spreading drowned God propaganda. Root vegetables will grow just about anywhere.

>>48589660
>Do like the Farwynds said and point those fuckers at Asshai.

because the first thing the "Os" world needs is Draugr walking around its ocean floros

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>>48589716

>growing shit when you can just take it from the green men

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>>48587766
I imagine it has to do with the fact that Valyrians would spellbound their armors and weapons, Aeron does make note that the armor is inlaid with glyphs and runes. Perhaps that has something to do with the armor automatically fitting Euron.

>>48587766
As long as it's not Full Plate, many types of armor are easily refitted. With Scale or Lamellar or even Brigandine you can shuffle around the plates around, and it's probably easier to pop a Valyrian rivet from Mail than to resize a Breastplate.

That being said, even in Westeros there are a few smiths who can rework Valyrian, presumably there are in other parts of the world as well.

>>48589885
Exactly my point, he's downplaying their ability to farm to promote reaving.

>>48588785
>I'd suggest you read up on why northmen went Viking, seeing as the Iron born face the same issues

They didn't? Like, barely any did.
Almost all Northmen stone writing FROM THE ACTUAL TIME PERIOD they existed (as opposed to the sagas written centuries after they had converted to Christanity) by Juts, Geats, and Danes are about merchant transactions, selling cheese and buying wool and shit like that.

The Danes invaded England though, that did indeed happen.
Do you believe they wore horned helmets too?

>>48590630
And Northern France, and Russia, and Iran come to think of it.

>>48590678
They traded with Northern France too.
And Russia. And Iran. Probably the Skaelings as well, for that matter.
They weren't a culture of 100% warrior raiders with women and children staying behind; they were just a culture like any other that happened to be REALLY good at sailing everywhere, including their pirates.

Is it really their fault that unarmed Christian monks are the easiest to steal from and have the nicest shit to steal and also happened to be quite capable of writing out their experiences and preserving them while so few others did at the time?

>>48589716
Why would he be spreading propaganda when he's thinking to himself? Is he brainwashing himself?

>>48590678
You're missing Africa by the way, some folks think there's evidence of them having sailed there to take a look around.

>>48590720
>They weren't a culture of 100% warrior raiders with women and children staying behind; they were just a culture like any other that happened to be REALLY good at sailing everywhere, including their pirates.
Hell yeah, best sailors and farthest reaching merchants around.

>>48590728
Possibly.

>>48590735
I knew they sailed in the Mediterranean, makes sense that they would have had contact with at least north Africa.

>>48590798
>Hell yeah, best sailors and farthest reaching merchants around.
They really were.
They got around on a level that most cultures wouldn't replicate until the 17th century and they did before we even hit quadruple digits on the Calendar.
>I knew they sailed in the Mediterranean, makes sense that they would have had contact with at least north Africa
I do not know the details, but this makes sense to me as well.

>>48578260
sometimes i wish /TV/ wasint shit so i could actually talk about this more

>Daily reminder that dorne is now shit

>>48591077
The Phoenecians had travelled as far North as the Orkneys and Faeros, West to the Scillies and as far East as Sri Lanka (At least) over a thousand years before the first Vikings climbed into a longboat.

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>>48591077
>I do not know the details, but this makes sense to me as well.
I got curious and googled "vikings in africa" and this was one of the top results.
>mfw
http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-bla-maors-the-black-vikings-and-the-black-danes-compiled-by-invasion2012/

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>>48591417

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>>48591412
in the show. Dorne is getting exciting in the books. Doran and Arianne are getting involved in the Aegon plot and Darkstar (yes, Darkstar) will probably be up to some nefarious shit.

also, /TDQR/

>>48591412

Half of the 'Generals' on /tg/ exist largely because /tv/ and /v/ are shit.

>>48591698
Welcome to /tg/, dumping ground for threads other boards' mods don't want to deal with.

>>48585848
The strongest and best looking man in the seven kingdoms according to Ned

>>48591698
>implying this isn't shit
WEW

At least you all are mostly on topic.

>>48578260
>OP pic
But Robert was the one who pardoned them all and let them keep their shit stained islands.

They should have bent the neck rather than the knee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkmQiIBd12s

>>48591698
And the other half exist solely for waifuing.

>>48591853

Well yeah, 4chan in general is pretty shit, but some boards are shitty even by shit's standards.

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>>48585848

>Fifteen years past, when they had ridden forth to win a throne, the Lord of Storm's End had been clean-shaven, clear-eyed, and muscled like a maiden's fantasy. Six and a half feet tall, he towered over lesser men, and when he donned his armor and the great antlered helmet of his House, he became a veritable giant. He'd had a giant's strength too, his weapon of choice a spiked iron warhammer that Ned could scarcely lift. In those days, the smell of leather and blood had clung to him like perfume.
>"but no homo", Ned thought to himself.

Fuck the Greyjoys, fucking edgelord bandits.

>>48592072
I think most of us agree that the ironborn are scum, but they're honestly the most interesting culture with the most interesting PoVs in the series

>>48592072
Nah Victarion is based retard bro, Theon's chapters are GOAT, Euron's an absolute madman and Aeron's is an interesting character.

The only shitty one is Asha

>>48592123
i agree about povs but their culture is shitskin tier
one has to wonder how the fuck did robert allowed balon and half of his islands live

>>48592072

>Greyjoys
>edgelord bandits

That's not how you spell Boltons

>>48592209
I liked Asha up until she bombarded me with 200 "Nuncles".

>>48592221

For me that's part of the appeal. Their culture is so batshit crazy and they cling to a myopic Ironborn Stronk mentality which constantly leads them to devastating defeat.

But they're totally devoted to it and are largely unable to compromise on any of it. It's great.

>>48591957
I think that description requires at least three no-homos

>>48578260
Cleganebowl when?

>>48592368
I'm surprised everyone keeps forgetting the fact that neither of them are really Cleganes anymore.

>>48592209
>Victarion got hard thinking about fucking Asha

Victarion is an honorary Targaryan.

>>48591480
>Darkstar

I still cannot take that name seriously.

>>48592498
To be fair, it sounds worse than it is. In the context of most skilled Daynes being the Sword of the Morning, but he is of the Night, it makes sense.

out of context, it's literal Nothin Personnel anime villain tier.

>>48592529
It doesnt help he got black hair with a white stripe.

>>48579276
I want to beleive this girl is taking it in the ass
i really do

>>48592554

And that he cuts a girl's ear off as part of a political intrigue and is like "nothing personnel, kid"

>>48591957
I really don't understand Eddard and Robert's purported friendship. Maybe it was different before Robert became king, but in the timeline of AGOT it's always "Ned, lets fuck some bitches and kill the last targaryean", with Eddard being a killjoy and just pissing him off until they make up again few paragraphs later.

>>48592757
Well, it's the story of disappointing reunions. Ned and Robert were the best of friends as teenagers. Even good young men like Ned look up to their rogueish womanising buddies. The difference is that Ned grew up and matured, he became a family man with a respect for life, and war changed him. Robert didn't want to grow up. War AND kingship changed him too, but, in a bad way. He missed fighting, since that was what he really loved doing. He was depressed- the hole that his parents left, coupled with his perfect image of Lyanna lost forever, left him as a depressed, alcoholic man that turned to food and excessive whoring to fill that hole. Robert wasn't a family man, he didn't care for his brothers or his children, he hated Cersei, and all he had was the court to entertain him, which of course would have been full of sycophants and enablers- and pathetic drunks like Thoros, who Robert could relate to.

>>48592757
Opposite attract.
Ned was honorable and somber, while Robert was a whoremongering fun loving drunkard

>>48592757
They have both changed a lot and havnt seen each other in years. Eddard is very dissapointed in Robert.

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>>48592757

Ned was fostered with Robert; they grew up as brothers.

They sort of served as foils for each other; Robert new how to have fun, and Ned knew how to think things through. They were a good power duo.

Ned didn't want to kill Daenarys because in his mind it was murdering a child who he didn't suspect had any particular ambitions. That of course didn't sit well with someone as Lawful Good as Eddard Stark. Ned also saw it as rather out of character for Robert, who remember felt more than a little regret for the horrific way Elia Martell's children died.

It's heavily implied Robert was once much more pragmatic and level-headed than he was when he first appears in GoT. Ned feels more than a little disappointed in the man who he once saw as a brother.

>>48592852

They both reminded each other of the other's eldest brother, but in a way they could relate too more then their actual brother.

>>48592854
>>48592861
This.

Ned's storyline in aGoT is basically him discovering how degenerate the royal court, and Robert, actually is

>>48592894
Yeah but the Starks all loved each other while the Baratheons hated each other

>>48592934
There wasn't hatred.

Robert and Stannis had a bad relationship, Robert just didn't care about Renly, but Stannis did love his little brother Renly...just not the man he grew up to be.

>>48592894

IIRC Robert had no older brother, but he liked Ned a lot more than his actual brothers.

Renly at the time of the Rebellion was just a tween, and by the time of the books was a foppish pretty boy who liked to play a lordship. He was likable and charismatic, but lacked the stern constitution Bobby and Ned had.

Stannis was of course Stannis.

Ned was a guy you could always count on to do the right thing. He was loyal and he loved Robert, even if he was a cold man. And I'm sure on some level, Ned liked being around Robert because Robert showed him it was okay to loosen up every now than then.

>>48578260
Let's talk valyrian steel. It's basically a +1/+1 weapon. Don't you guys feel that is underwhelming? Swords made of this material are described as actual weeabo katanas, fucking carving through steel like it was butter, shattering blades, and pretty much being the only defense against white walkers (apart from dragonglass). At least the series and books says so, but in the tabletop here we also have:

> Valyrian steel is oft said to be spell-forged and folded hundreds of times in the making
it's literally a weeabo katana, and yet its +1/+1 ?

>>48592961
Stannis clearly despised both Renly and Robert, Robert didn't give a shit about either of them, Renly thought both Stannis and Robert were jokes

>>48593052

Stannis didn't despise his brothers, he just really didn't get along with them. Stannis doesn't get along with anyone.

I imagine he was mostly jealous of Bobby and Renly. They always had large circles of admiring friends and life always came easier for them. Probably breeds some serious discontent, but I don't think he ever actually hated them.

>>48593118
You don't order you brother's assassination if you don't seriously wish him harm

>>48593052
>>48593118

Stannis specifically tells Jon that he loved his brothers despite everything.

He just really didn't like them.

>>48593134

Just because he ordered Renly's death it doesn't mean he actually hated him. He certainly resented him; after all, Renly was claiming something which by all laws belonged to him. He also needed Renly's men to fall in line behind him because it was only real shot at taking what was his.

Stannis has a one-track mind. Renly was a traitor and an obstacle, and he dealt with him in the only way he really knew. The idea of appealing to Renly was off the table because from the get go Stannis (correctly) assumed his brother had no interest in working with him.

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>>48593052
>>48593134

>"They grieve. Your brother was well loved."
>"Fools love a fool," grumbled Stannis, "but I grieve for him as well. For the boy he was, not the man he grew to be."

>"Only Renly could vex me so with a piece of fruit. He brought his doom on himself with his treason, but I did love him, Davos. I know that now. I swear, I will go to my grave thinking of my brother's peach."

>The king grimaced, as if he'd tasted something foul. "Why me, and not my brothers? Renly and his peach. In my dreams I see the juice running from his mouth, the blood from his throat. If he had done his duty by his brother, we would have smashed Lord Tywin. A victory even Robert could be proud of. Robert . . ." His teeth ground side to side. "He is in my dreams as well. Laughing. Drinking. Boasting. Those were the things he was best at. Those, and fighting. I never bested him at anything. The Lord of Light should have made Robert his champion. Why me?"

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>>48593220

>>48593134

Stannis has some sort of turbo-OCD that makes him fight to the death for a throne he clearly doesn't even want simply because he truly believes that's how things are supposed to be. And on top of that he's been convinced by his batshit wife and her crazy friends that if he doesn't succeed the world will fall into eternal darkness.

Killing Renly didn't mean he didn't love him or wish to do anything other than that if possible; he simply 100% believed it was his only option. It's like putting down your favorite dog because it gets rabies.

>>48593220
Godamn it.

>>48593220
I don't feel a single thing reading this. Memes have completely destroyed any emotional investment in the characters.

>>48593369
I'm incredibly emotionally invested in Jaime, Davos and Theon as characters. If/when more horror is inflicted upon them, it'll break my heart.

It's silly I know, but George really can write real characters that feel like people.

>>48592844
>>48592852
>>48592861
I have a friend who is almost EXACTLY like a younger Robert Baratheon and running into the same problems he is in some ways, and thus conversely I end up as Ned by comparison.

We even went off to war together.

>>48593440
It's been so long since I read the books now, it feels more distant than berserk. Berserk had a lot of memes, but the suffering was so real (8 years stuck on a boat, can you imagine.jpeg) that when a release finally drops I get completely abosrbed. Maybe its cuz I didn't read all the books until season 1 started, so not a lot of time has passed, and no re-reading etc.

>>48593369
Memes. What are you talking about ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLNFloNdJH4

>>48593508
I'm planning a reread soon, hopefully to pass the time while waiting for Book 6 and Season 7 of the show. I've lent my AGOT copy to my girlfriend since she was planning to start reading soon, so once she's done with that I'll give her ACOK and start rereading AGOT myself

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>Come across audiobook
>it is voiced by Joarh Mormont

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf1P556Vqgg

>>48593832

Iain Glenn's voice is the sexiest character in the entire show.

>>48593621
I lent mine wheel of fire and game of thrones. She read neither.

>>48592967
Renly was six during the rebellion.

>>48593832
I'm still pissed off about The Princess and the Queen and The Rogue Prince.
Man is behind schedule so much it's insane and he's writing side stories?

>>48593954
One of the best ways to deal with writers block.

>>48593954
Might aswell let Preston finish the books with psychic powers and nuclear holocaust.

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>>48593999
Funnily enough it's coming close to that. Preston recorded his own audiobook for one of GRRM's lesser known books, soon enough he'll be writing his own draft of The Winds of Winter. If he does, I'd honestly consider buying it, he certainly has a great imagination for plot points

>>48594091
Aye, his theories are very entertaining even if I don't like the psychic powers part.

>>48593533
This was terrible memeing. jesus christ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIyI8DeXrXU&t=3m0s
/v/ does it better

>>48593977
And he can't write TWoW chapters because...?
I'm not asking him to just give up and write whatever, but at least write relevant PoV chapters and if he doesn't like them, trash them. He himself has said a full sized book could be made from all the cut chapters

>>48594244
He propably can't connect all the plotlines or stories. He has a Gordian knot of convuluted plotlines and he's too indifferent to simply cut it apart.

>>48594146
That's the sad thing, really. Preston is the one fan that happens to have one of the best understandings of the series (war, revenge and killing is bad, criticism of feudalism and patriarchy, lots of plot twists, don't expect classic fantasy endings, etc), but he also has some of the worst ideas- such as Bloodraven mindcontrolling everyone, R+L=D, SciFi gobshite

And of course while people should be listening to him for the good stuff he says, they instead dismiss him entirely because of the occasional idiotic thought

Theoretically say George realises he can't finish the series in 7 books, and needs to write an 8th. What should he title the new book?

I still think A Dream of Spring works really well as a final book title for the series, so I think the new book would be the penultimate book 7, and ADOS would become book 8.

>>48594297
But I thought the reason aDwD took so long is because he was cutting all the knots he had set before. And now it seems to me that there are going to be 8 books

>>48594337
Revenge of Eddard Stark

>>48594337
Well the working title for ADOS was A Time for Wolves, so maybe that?

>>48594299
I actually enjoy Preston's theories and ideas more then the books now. He breathes life in the world with his attention to detail and focus on background characters.

Also which Sand Snake is the best? I nominate Tyene.

>>48594337
>dream of spring
For some reason this got me thinking of
>memory of light
which was the last in wheel of time.

>>48594337
A Time for Wolves seems likely in that scenario, but I'll offer some ideas

A Crown of Ashes
A Tide of Blood
A Kingdom of Corpses
The Falling of Gods
A Bleeding of Beasts

>>48594383
Lady Nym is very underrated. Looking forward to her politicking in King's Landing in the next book. She should hopefully bring a similar kind of Dornish discord to the city that Oberyn brought with him when he went

>>48594659
She dead

Will Balon Swan be able to escape the den of vipers in Dorne alive? Will he bring Myrcella home alive with the head of Edgelord Supreme? Will Balon withstand the seducing Dornish women?

>>48594745
Betrayed by Obara and slain along with Hotah; screencap this

>>48592852
Ned was more fun loving as a kid/teen.

Before getting married he would most likely gladly drink, fight and joke with Robert (he wouldn't whore around though)

They were certainly different but Ned wasn't a no fun allowed autist like Stannis.

>>48595442
Well we know he doesn't fight in tourneys or melees, he rarely drinks in his chapters, rarely goes hunting unless he's got guests, seems like a boring guy

>>48583062
God damnit...

>>48595517

We get the sense he was a little looser in his youth, but still a little cold. Imagine Jon before joining the Watch.

I think he's all No Fun Allowed by the books because the war, the loss of two siblings, and a decade ruling a house which originally wasn't meant to be his took its toll.

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Stat me, /aSoIaF/

>>48597398
>literally who

Whatever you want, because she's fanfiction.

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>>48597531
I remember when /got/ couldn't stop complaining about her because "muh fanfiction" and "she's taking time from other characters!". Gosh, how naive we were then.

>>48597601
Not only was she pointless fanfiction, but she was pointless goreporn and "shock."

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>>48597739
>pointless goreporn and "shock."
That's pretty much the show now fampai
Great tits though

>>48594581
Pretty awful mate.

>>48598675
Just keeping in vein with the others tbqh
It's no worse than "A Clash of Kings" or "A Storm of Swords" as titles

>>48587857
The books have three or four times as many rapes as the show.

>Kinghood is a disease. You don't cure a disease by spreading it to other people.

>>48594383
>Also which Sand Snake is the best?

>>48599980
The one with the tits.

>>48595442
Ned's "whoring" seems to only have been with women he actually liked enough to want a relationship with, such as Ashara Dayne. Although with her he was more a stammering virgin.

>>48600076
More of a stammering had-sex-once. He'll, Robb was already born by the time he met Ashara

>>48597601
>those three missing bolts.

Loved how much a fuck up he was.

>>48594383
I'd say Tyene, followed closely by Sarella.

Still so upset about what the show did to them all.

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>>48600562
>implying he didn't miss deliberately in order to prolong her suffering and psychological torment
It's like you've never tortured a prostitute to death before

>>48600616
Praise be to King Joffrey.
He tried his best to rid us of pointless characters that weren't in the books.
Alas, he failed.

>>48600616
I'm of the idea that those three missed shots were actually attempts to hit her.

Each of those hit are actual miss. That's how much an hilarious fuck up Joffrey is.

>>48600363
No.

Ned met Ashara at the Tourney of Harrenhal. When Brandon was still alive.

There is evidence that Ashara's stillborn child was Ned Stark's bastard.

(Then again, I still think it'd be totes funny if Jon really is Ned's bastard.)

>>48594745
He's a dead man walking. It's really a shame since he's my favorite kingsguard.

>>48600732
Arianne even became rather fond of him.

>>48600701
I like to think that the Stillborn child is actually alive.

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I've just noticed that both Sansa and Lysa have names that end in a "-sa" suffix.
I know it's probably nothing, but I also noticed Cat and Lysa's mother was Minisa Whent, who also has a name ending in a "-sa" suffix.

So perhaps these names are culturally Riverlander names? I dunno, found it interesting anyway.

>>48593832
>This video is no longer available because the uploader has closed their YouTube account.

>>48600895
the fuck? I was listening to that briefly last night, now its gone?

>>48594299
It's like almost all of his theories start of great with loads of cool stuff based in the book's lore, and then towards his conclusions he just takes a huge leap of logic that ends up with stuff like R+L=D.

>>48600819
I'm pretty sure Sansa is a Northern name. Eddard has a great-great aunt named Sansa Stark as well, and as far as I know she's the only other character in the books with that name.

>>48600968
Hm. It could always be a name popular in both the Riverlands and the North, similar to how Rodrik is popular in the North, Vale and Iron Isles, and Jon and Jeyne are popular all over.
I know there's no textual evidence to support Sansas of the Riverlands but I'm fond of this headcanon so I'm keeping it

>>48600682
Nah, look at the other shots, each one is precisely placed to cause as much pain as possible

>>48601058
As far as naming goes I love how Eddard named his sons (and nephew) after the men he cared most for. Robb, Jon, Brandon, and Rickon; for Robert Baratheon, Jon Arryn, Brandon Stark, and Rickard Stark.
Kinda makes you wonder why neither Sansa nor Arya were named after Lyanna or Lyarra. Maybe Catelyn named the daugters while Eddard named the sons?

>>48601117
Arya Flint was Eddards grandmother. Probably named Arya after her.

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>>48578361
House words are literally
>haters gonna hate

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>>48601192
CODD
O
D
D

Most boring PoV?

I'd go with a three-way tie between Catelyn, Bran and Brienne.

>>48601347
Bran of course. The other two occasionally have something worth reading about

>>48601347
Sansa in the first three books.

>>48601117
There has been at least one Sansa Stark in the past, somwhere between 5 to 10 generations before Eddard if I remember correctly.

Seems unlikely she's named after her, and since we don't know too much about the exact family tree of the Tully's, I like the idea there might have been a Sansa Tully in the not so distant past she was named after.

I can not quite explain why Eddard wouldn't name her Lyarra, though as for Lyanna, considering the circumstances of her death, I suspect he may have wanted to let the hole thing fade from everyone else's memory as quickly as possible.

Naming his daughter after her, which would make it likely the story is brought up by everyone all the time they hear of her, doesn't sound like a good idea.


>>48601347
I agree on Catelyn and Bran, though he has gotten better since they left Winterfell.

I'd also add Tyrion in books 4 and 5 for the tedious journey down the Rhoyne, as well as the rather repetitive Dany-chapters in Mereen to the list.

The former was just so uneventful talking except for the short highlight at the Sorrows, while the latter was just highly repetitive.
It finally got better when Mereen came under siege and Tyrion arrived there, respectively.

>>48601347
Brienne's chapters are extremely underrated, there's loads of great worldbuilding in them, a great cast of new characters appear, and her adventure includes some of the better parts in Feast (duel at the Whispers, Broken Man speech, confrontation with Rorge).

Bran chapters just make me want to fall to sleep most of the damn time

>>48601474
I hate the Dany chapters.

They're so boring and it shows her as being a petulant little girl.

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>>48586532
>Balon's Rebellion 2: Drowned God Boogaloo

>>48601117
>neither Sansa nor Arya were named after Lyanna
I guess despite how much he loved her there was some anger towards her for falling for the married Targ prince that kidnapped her.

>>48587716
>>48587747
>>48587766
It's scale mail. Easily refitted, extremely light (he could probably swim in it) and because its Valyrian Steel, gg no re at cracking it open.

He's shown a Dragon Binding Horn, Valyrian Steel armour and a dragon egg. He's definitely BEEN to the Doom...But I'm not sure he actually walked on it. Or else, even mentioning it triggers him with horror at how bad it was.

Also, who here thinks that it's likely that Euron's other eye isn't magical and is just an eye with aniridia. They call it black and he keeps it covered the whole time; it'd make perfect sense.

>>48588393
>>48588785
>>48588785
>>48588785
>>48589038
They have farming land and a lot of Thralls. The issue is the Ironborn lands are severely over-populated and there's not much to actually do on there. Plus, though some of the land if farmable most of it is not.

>>48601895
What if Euron just ran into Gerion Lannister's fleet full of Valyrian swag and looted everything?

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>playing ck2 agot
>suddenly friends with half the small lords of the kingdom

>>48601979
>5.78 MB, 5312x2988
>Sideways image

>>48601979
Who th ehell is king?

>>48601979
Just press F12 to screenshot if you use steam mate.

>>48601347
Brienne is one of the best. Worst PoV is Daenerys

>>48602006
No idea why it's sideways

>>48602014
I've lost track. This is sometime after the Dance of the Dragons and I believe it's some descendant of Aegon III who somehow also owns the Riverlands

>>48602018
Not my computer and I don't feel comfortable going on 4chan on there's

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>>48601979
>House Velaryon
Ma nigga

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>>48602112
>tfw Velaryon got dragons, a valaryion sword, and Dragonstone

>>48601926
Gerion is probably a mute thrall on board the Silence

>>48602041
>>48601347
Love Brienne, dont like her PoV.

Curse you GRRM

>>48601895
Scale armor still needs to fit the dimensions of his body, so if an arm's too short or too long he's fucked. Also, I doubt he could swim it in. While it is light, it's still armor.

Regarding the eye, I think it's a childhood injury that got him into a situation similar to Bran, only Euron went mad when he got his 3rd eye opened

>>48602112
>>48602180

Velaryons would have become the royal house of Westeros if normal succession rules would have been followed and the Grand Council of AC 101 hadn't intervened.

>>48587857
the books are worse m8

>>48600947
The main reason conspiracy-style theories that seem implausible happen is because the person formulating the theory desires not precisely the truth but to have figured it out for themselves, as in their eyes it means they are the most intelligent and observant person reading/watching the subject matter and thus could make the strongest connections.

It's a harmless way of making yourself feel "special" basically, though it only works for limited periods of time of course.

>>48601347
anything that happens outside 7 kindgdoms
I can't stand Dany and her fucking court

>>48603485

>anything that happens outside 7 kindgdoms

Even Arya's chapters?

>>48603537
>clams and mussels and cuckolds!
repeat x100

>>48603537
I honestly can't remember a single thing she did,but I have not yet read the last book.
Mostly because it focuses on Dany

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>>48603571

In ADoD it details Arya's adventures in Braavos. Don't listen to >>48603567 they're pretty good. Of course, I guess that depends on if you like Arya as a character which I do

>>48601475
Bran chapters are monotonous, but at least their outcome is uncertain. Brienne chapters are about mucking around looking for girls we know she's not going to find because they have their own POV chapters and they're nowhere near Brienne.

>>48601347
Cersei chapters get pretty dull. If I never have to read about another member of House Kettleblack it'll be too soon.

>>48599980
Her short hair was really cute

>>48604498

This. Also, while the Bran chapters get a little boring they cover some really interesting material. Gurm's method of bringing in more fantastical elements to the story is pretty pleasing in my opinion, and I love the more folklore-ish approach he's taken with the North.

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A player shows up with a Lengii character. What do you do?

>>48604683
DEEEEEMOOOONSSSSS!!!

>>48604683
>Implying i got anyone to play with.

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>>48604622

short hair best hair

>>48604683
I'm gonna sound like a newb here but...

Lengii?

>>48604683
Actually, as an extension of the idea of more exotic builds, how does the game handle more magical characters? Green seers, red priests, warlocks, and even folk like Marwyn or Qyburn?

>>48605259
A race of people from an island in the Far East. Ruled by a god empress, have connections to the more Lovecraftian parts of the setting, and physically really unusual. They're the tallest race and have cat eyes. They were ruled by Yi Ti for a time but rebelled and now are pretty wealthy due to spices and gems. Generally depicted as either Indian or Egyptian culturally.

>>48605322
sweet, they sound interesting!
to answer the question: similarly to how I'd handle any essosi in westeros: with utmost suspicion with prejudices based on pure speculation

>>48605277
There's an extension book that isn't directly related to SIFRP that deals with sorcery. The general rule is that all magic has a cost, with the cost depending on the nature and scale of the spell. There's also some connection to destiny points.

>>48605322
Leng = Japan.

Thought that was obvious

>>48606265
No. If anything it's Indoesia. It's South from Not!China, it's people are brown skinned, and they have lots of spices.

But I don't like Indoesia, so if it ever came up it would be most similar to India.

>>48606381
And the part where they're insanely isolationist, and periodically kill all foreigners and merchants?

>>48606417
What about the wealthy trade empire and jungles?

It's not any one country, but Japan is the one of the smaller influences.

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>>48603354
D&D pls leave.

>>48606678
I'm not saying the show is good
But the books are shit,they have too many unimportant characters and plots, GRRM will propably have to scrap at least half of them if he wants to finish his books in this millenium

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>>48606773
Yeah to be serious I dont blame people if they don't like the books it takes him too long and theres so much to reread and process to fully appreciate it.

>>48606885
I don't think there is really much to appreciate,
GRRM is a shit writer,you can clearly see he just loves worldbuilding. He puts far too much worldbuilding into his books.
And don't get me started on all the cringe worthy sex scenes

>>48606773
No matter the quality of the books, I'm absolutely positive the show is worse.

>>48607044
The first 3 seasons were cool,but the source material was also good.
4th season was propably were source material started getting shit,but the show remained on not-so-bad level,and was promoted to great just for the Mannis charge in the last episode.

5th season was shit,even books were better

6th season is half shit half interesting,with destrucion of King's Landing becoming my favourite scene so far.
And you had all the Dorne plots that were shit,Samwell POV that was just tickled and some shit confirming that L+R=J
Meanwhile the books had fucking awesome Greyjoy "election" but had a ton of plots that were seriously hard to follow.

And wait why does Euron have both eyes in the show?

>>48607153
Euron is by far my least favorite part of the show.

He's just another generic psychopath baddie instead of the magical turbo-psychopath but still charismatic baddie he is in the books.

>>48607153
he has both eyes because the design team were worried that with the eyepatch he would look too similar to Beric

>>48607245
That's fucking daffy. They could have made it black, the simple pirate style, and on the opposite eye and it would have been perfectly distinct.

Add in the blue lips and you're golden.

>>48607226
And I hated that he just walked in and killed Balon
It was only implied in books

>>48607285
the idea is that people tend to remember characters by a defining trait "the crippled kid" "incest knight" "dragon lady" etc and people already remember Beric as "eyepatch guy". They could have gone for the blue lips as another distinctive feature but designs in the show seem generally less unusual or colourful as the books (see Daario)

>>48601347

I can honestly say I enjoy all the PoV's. The only time I'm unhappy to see a PoV is when it's a brand new one and I want to get back to the characters I already know but then they end up growing on me just the same. I mean, when I first saw 'Cersei' show up at the top of the chapter I almost groaned but her insanity has turned out to be fun as fuck.

That being said, Arya's stuff in Braavos has become somewhat bland and repetitive. Stuff at the Wall can be repetitive at times as well and a lot of PoV's in the midsection of aCoK started to drag.

>>48605322

To be fair, those descriptions should and are supposed to be taken with a grain of salt. Same with the amphibian people on the Thousand Isles and whatever the fuck is going on with Sothyros. Certainly supernatural things exist on Planetos but more often then not it's just rumors distorted by distance.

>>48606417

There's some island near India where to this day the stone-age inhabitants have yet to be officially contacted by modern humans and will kill anyone who tries to land there. Japan hardly holds the record on xenophobia.

>>48607437
Those descriptions aren't even that out there. Giants and dragons are real, and used to be common. Ibbenese are Neanderthals. The Brindle Men of Sothoryos are the genuine article, no exageration needed.

Planetos is an extremely fantastical world hiding under a thin veneer of realism. Even Westeros is pretty out there, what with it's impossibly large castles, unusual geography, and not infrequent unusual animals.

>>48607562
I keep wanting to see details on how the fucked-up seasons affect the local ecology, and I keep not getting anything. You'd think that hibernating animals would have died out because they just can't sleep for a whole 1d4 years, and that migration would be mich more popular, but it seems not to be so. Also, how do they measure years? What is a year to them? Twelve lunar cycles? A complete revolution of the stars?

>>48607360

This is also why they changed Asha to Tara. The show writers (probably correctly) the audience is too stupid to not conflate her with Arya unless they renamed her.

>>48607791
I know a lot of people might just wave this away as "George is a hack and didn't think it through" or "it's just fantasy, man", but I do believe George would have an answer to each one of your questions if you probed him hard enough- the man is a SciFi writer first and foremost, and he likes to think of "realistic" explanations for fantastical shit.

>>48607802
>Tara

Yara. fuck autocorrect

>>48607802
You mean Osha. And they're not much dumber than us. Grrm himself has named the wrong Kettleblack twice, and his editor didn't catch it.

>>48607802
I believe it was stated that her name was changed to avoid confusion with Osha, which as only one letter difference is fair enough, it'd be fairly easy to mishear

>>48601347

Sansa in Books 1 & 2
Daenerys in Book 5

In the show if the Hound goes north there is a chance Sansa may end up with having both Brienne and the Hound as her knights.

Do kinda want to see him meet up with his little bird again.

>>48607862
>>48607802

I just hate the name "Yara". It doesn't sound Ironborn. They could have at least called her Alannys since D&D hate casting mothers of the Great Houses.

>>48606927
Do you like anything that he does?

>>48607791
Pycelle or someone else mentions that they do indeed measure time using lunar cycles.

Also, regarding winters and summers, I think it's far better to say they're more like mini climate ages, like the medieval warm period or the little ice age. If summer snows exist, see no reason why winter thaws couldn't

>>48607791
Can't remember where I saw it but it seems to be 12 lunar cycles, with months being 5 weeks, and weeks being 6 days (one for each of the gods except the stranger). However, there's no canon basis for this, or even what their months and days are called

>>48608000
I already said that I liked Greyjoys election
And he can write characters-Tyrion,Tywin,Stannis,Renly,Starks are all different and interesting
Even Joffrey was great,since he was so easy to hate

>>48607845

> And they're not much dumber than us

There's a lot of truth to this, but showfags still have this tendency of not remembering key details of characters--including names--which always proves a little annoying. I've met people who gave me blank looks if I say "Daenarys" but know exactly who I'm talking about if I say "Khaleesi".

>>48608186
>Who is this Kevan guy ?

Does anyone know if there's a readable version of The Seven Pointed Star? Mostly want to know for general curiosity but also I'm planning on running a campaign with a Begging Brother (iirc) and I'd love to be able to spout lore-accurate quotes

Yes, I'm autistic as fuck

>>48608330
No. There isn't.

I'd use slightly modified Bible, Quran, or even Confucian quotes/parables.

>>48608330
If there's not, there will be soon. The ASOIAF community is relentless in their autism.

There are ASOIAF Cook Books printed, where you can cook Lamprey Pies and Lemon Cakes and all that.

>>48608245
>tfw that shot of Mace and Kevan trying to escape during the finale
Heartbreaking af

>>48608362
fair, I'm bound to find something. Plus the quote Margery says in the show would probably be the most appropriate anyway

>>48585848

Remember the video game Street Fighter?

Remember Zangeif?

>>48608119
And TWoIaF mentions that the only places to have weird seasons are Westeros and, of all places, Yi Ti, whose people personally take credit for ending the Long Night. How does that work? Is the rest of civilized Planetos just not temperate enough to notice?

>>48609569
Magic is what George says.

>>48608435
not for me

>>48609701
>not giving a shit about based Mace the Ace and Kevan the Lion of Lannister
Cersei please fuck off

I guess we can add Kinslayer to Cersei now.

>>48609836
In the show, all of the Lannister kids are kinslayers

Tyrion of course kills Tywin Lannister
Jaime kills Alton Lannister
Cersei kills Lancel and Kevan Lannister

>>48609836
Kinslayer, Godslayer, Kingslayer, Lannister

>>48609569
AZOR AHAI

>>48609836
>>48609850
I'm just ready for the prophecy to be fulfilled and Jaime Chokes a bitch.

>>48608186

I've noticed that too, which only makes sense because names are easier to remember when you see them in writing

>tfw I say "Tywin" and my friend who s1-5 on dvd has a blank look on his face

>>48610649
fucking normies

>Tyrion-"the Imp"
>Daenarys-'Khaleesi"
>Eddard-"Ned" (though that one isn't so bad)
>Sandor-"the Hound"
>Gregor-"the Mountain" not even the mountain that rides, just the mountain
>Aerys-"the Mad King"
>Any character that isn't a main character -"...who?"

>>48610148
>the Valonqar will wrap his hands about your neck
>hands
>hands that can flex and are not make of rigid metal
You've made a huge mistake.

>>48605322
But in the World of Ice and Fire book they're portrayed as asians.

>>48610148
Kinda wish it would be a stab in the back like with Aerys to draw parelles.

>>48610819

>Eddard-"Ned" (though that one isn't so bad)
>Sandor-"the Hound"

Reminder both of these nicknames are commonplace in the books and the characters are referred to by that name just as often, if not more often, than their real names.

>Tyrion-"the Imp"

Most showfags I know actually do call Tyrion by his real name.

Sandor and Sansa will be reunited and they will make sweet sweet love while Brienne has to stand guard outside the room !

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>>48611012

>>48610986
Reminder that people don't even know their real names and can't be bothered to remember fairly important detail, like a characters actual name

>Most showfags I know actually do call Tyrion by his real name.

Lucky you

>>48610819
My friend only recognizes them by their nicknames on Gay of Thrones. Ygritte=Downton, Jaime=Brother D, etc.

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>mfw /tv/'s /got/ thinks Bran Stark is the most interesting character and that Jaime and Theon are shit uninteresting characters

wish I was joking

>>48600743
Are you confusing Balon Swann with Arys Oakheart? Arianne tried to seduce Balon but he wasn't interested. He's either taking his vows more serious then Arys or he's homosexual like Renly(Arianne tried to seduce him too).

>>48611107
Oh right. Got them mixed up. Thanks.

>>48611098

I confess I'm not that interested in Theon. His main appeal for me is I find the Boltons a fascinating bad guy faction. He's got a nice tragic arc but I'm not huge into characters who doom themselves through sheer incompetence.

Bran is only interesting because of what happens around him.

Disliking Jaime is fucking inexcusable.

>>48610863
>Jaime's golden hand is designed for gripping goblets
>theoretically can grip throats as well
P O E T R Y

>>48611098
Jaime's redemption arc is the best part of the series though. And Bran hasn't done anyhting yet...

>>48611098
>>48611146
They're only shitposting you dingi

>>48611168

>golden hand is still clunky
>Jaime actually tries and fails to grab a goblet with it

This pottery might be broken.

>>48610952
The world of ice and fire doesn't depict them at all does it?

Does anyone have the images for the house creation tables? I was looking to run a house creation thread.

>>48611168
Jaime's hand is only open enoigh to slide a goblet stem into. Any wider and it would be useless for anything EXCEPT choking his sister to death.

>>48611275
He could just crush her throat with it? Just shove it around her neck and crush her trachea.

>>48611275
>He does it with one hand

theory: valonqar meaning "little brother" is a mistranslation, it actually means "little sister" or the term is gender-neutral

Arya is the little one to choke the life out of Cersei.

>>48611329
>>48611322

Then "wrap his hands about your throat" would no longer fit

>>48611322
>>48611329

I'm actually still not convinced he'll actually kill Cersei. I feel more likely he'll just let her go down with her ship. Killing her means he's become antagonistic towards her, rather than just fed up.

>>48611168
Don't forget that certain is the one who actually commissioned Jaime's hand. Poetry in fucking motion!!!

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>>48611247
Here you go senpai.

>>48611358
Could it refer to the Hand of the King necklace ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lz3lAd2nGQ

>>48611389
Oh, well then they're fantasy Egyptian for some reason. Not Asian.

>>48611399
Probably. It's possible that he becomes hand now that Kevan is dead. But if the same thing happens in the show as happens in the book with Tyrion, then he would also have a chain to choke her with.

>>48611545

Can Jaime be the Hand and Lord Commander of the Kingsguard at the same time?

>>48611463
Not seeing the Egyptian part. Considering the slanty eyes and all.

>>48611590
Yeah. Pretty much anyone can be the Hand (apart from women?). Grand Maesters have been Hand before I think.

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>>48611595
Nigga what.

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>>48611463
The dude is so stereotypical medieval Chinese he should be named Ching Chong Chinaman, the lady looks Egyptian though.

>>48611637
So you're talking about fantasy art that people believe is Egyptian?

>>48611590
Ser Ryam Redwyne and Ser Criston Cole both apparently served as Hand of the King as well as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard to Jaehaerys I and Aegon II respectively

>>48611660
Yeah. He's Yi Ti. The woman is the Lengii.

>>48611669
I did stipulate fantasy Egyptian. So yes.

>>48611463
Dude's wearing a Song Dynasty-era outfit, definitely Chinese.
She though....she's wearing a "Robert E Howard Female Character Standard Attire" outfit, which seems to be kinda the norm over in Essos, further reinforcing the idea that Planetos is just Howerdian-style fantasy with toned down magic and a 13th century England-ish setting dropped into it.

Though that's kinda what Aquilonia was already, so I dunno.

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>>48611688

So I guess the question is if Tommen would choose him as Hand or if Margaery will convince him to choose a Tyrell or Tyrell supporter. Which would probably be pretty easy, because Cersei and Jaime aren't on the best of terms so I imagine Cersei would push for one of her bootlicks.

Then there's the question of if Jaime would even accept it. As it is he's a little squirrely about his Lord Commander job and I don't know how he feels about his children. All I know is he thought Joffrey was a prick just like everyone else.

>>48611364

Well we haven't gotten to the part in the books where cersei goes full aerys and tries to wildfire everybody

I had always imagined him doing another heroic kingslaying thing where he stops the ruler from wildfiring everything again, but it didn't quite go down that way in the show

Why are the Dothraki feared in the lore? They're mindless barbarians who lack any sophistication or intelligence. They lack the incredible logistical skill and discipline of the Mongols yet people equate the two when Dothraki military strategies involve charging into spearmen when nobody has armour.

>>48611769
>and I don't know how he feels about his children.

He actually seems to not feel ANYTHING about them, largely because he's never been allowed by Cersei to be apart of their lives for purposes of maintaining her cover.
He seems regretful that he doesn't really know them and hasn't been there for them, but nothing stronger then that.

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>>48611545
>>48611769

Kevan wasn't made Hand, he was made Regent. Mace Tyrell was made Hand of the King after Orton Merryweather's dismissal.

>>48611707
It most certainly is. It even has the lightly veiled Lovecraft stuff.

That said, her clothes are a little different than other Essosi garb. Though still pretty Howardian yeah.

>>48611833
What do you mean "feared"?
The only people who fear them are a bunch of almost pacifistic sheparding cultures; everyone else mentioned to interact with them has either beaten them in a fight or just paid them to fuck off rather wasting resources on the Westerosi equivalent of stupid orcs.

>>48611833
There's so fucking many of them.

>>48611851

Oh shit you're right.

God, I do love the books but it's really fucking hard to keep track of all that's gone on in them.

>>48611888
Yeah I can honestly understand the TV show streamlining so many of these events. These things are huge.

I'm honestly remembering so many details just by going back and checking the wiki
(also this website https://asearchoficeandfire.com/ is incredibly nifty)

>>48611880
You only pay tribute to those you fearand as far as I know only the Unsullied beat then thanks to Dothraki being retarded. For some reason everyone just loses to light cavalry that use shock tactics.

>>48611880

This. The Dothroki's reputation for martial prowess comes from the fact the only people who actually bother to fight them are other Dohtroki. Their main strength is their sheer numbers, but even with those they've never managed to take any of the large cities in Essos. Several people on both sides of the Narrow Sea point out the Dothraki would be at a huge disadvantage against Westeros's armies should they ever get over their superstition fear of the ocean and actually invade.

>>48611945
Damn cellphone ruining my writing. Sorry for all the mistakes people.

>>48611945
Dothraki have cataphracts and chariots. Plus horse archers of course.

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>>48600895

Here's another version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw6wkkjcBNY

>>48611960
the dothraki screamers are the light cavalry and shock troopers of dany's army. The mercs are gonna make up most of the actual foot soldiers/ heavy artillery.

>>48611864
Hell, even Howard's sorcerers were more the exception then the norm; with the exception of Stygia and Zamora all the Hyborian Age nations seemed to revolve around the idea that the guy with the most swords and best army is in charge, and though sorcerers are way more blatant and public in that setting they also don't seem particularly influential in most nations. Stygia is just kinda the Asshai of their setting. Or vice-versa.

Conan just kind of has shit luck when it comes to running across them.
He even brings it up in one comic book.
>Ally: "To find and slay the wizard we must enter through the tower!"
>Conan: "....of course."
>Ally: "What's wrong Cimmerian?"
>Conan: "I was just thinking about how much of my life so far has revolved around wizards and their towers."

>>48611945
Nope, Tyrion tells Illyrio that Pentos should destroy them and Illyrio replies it's cheaper to bribe them than to hire the sellswords for the job

>>48611960
But the Dothraki have destroyed the Sarnor, Qartheen cities and other neighbors to the grass sea. But those acts do not add up with how the Dothraki are portrayed. It doesn't make sense how literal chimps on horses can defeat anyone.

>>48611945
But you pay change to homeless people that are in your way to get them to leave.
I mean seriously; the Free Cities make ridiculous sums of money and I highly doubt the Dothraki would even know how much shit was worth if other people didn't tell them, it's not like they have an economy to speak of.

>>48612011
the only reason Qarth survived was their walls. Plus the other cities had to deal with the expanding Red Wastes

>>48612011
They're not literal chimps. They defeat the Sarnori with clever tactics, and presumably continue to do that to their enemies.

>>48612038
You pay homeless people? I simply ignore them or push them aside. But when Norvos(?) hired mercenaries and raised their own troops they lost but the Unsullied saved them.

>>48612051
But they cannot use the tactics described in the wars with Sarnor. They lack discipline and any other kind of military standards.

>>48612011
Sarnor's actually right now the ONLY example we have of their success.
It's be like if the Mongols invaded China because of ONE leader and after they did they failed to set up a new government at all and then people thought of them as a "historically successful culture"; they aren't, they were just good at breaking things because of one guy who died centuries ago.
And Quarth has no military, but literally the second they hired one the Dothraki lost.

>>48612091
I think Sarnor was because of their Temujin, the one guy in the culture who ever managed to make anything of it and drove them to do some impressive shit.
And their Temujin had a lot shittier material to work with.

I think the Dothraki are "feared" because they make mean bodyguards and hirelings for skirmishes, not because their culture is particularly successful at war.

>>48612100
But the Mongols had an amazing military far ahead their foes and invading China is an impressive feat.

>>48612091
Neither did the Germans, and they organized and repelled the Romans more than once.

>>48611833

They aren't a threat to civilized strongholds they are feared by travelers and unfortified villagers

And really the dothraki aren't a joke, horse backed archers are serious business

>>48612149
They did so because of Temujin.
You know the "Mongols" isn't even the right term? They weren't even one ethnic group; it was the single name of a single nomadic tribe that he belonged to that he basically personally whipped into shape and when it expanded to include that ENTIRE region they became "Mongols" even though they weren't even all the same ethnic group, kinda like Attila's Huns.

Temujin CREATED that military culture almost from the ground-up, created the meritocratic system of promotion for the army, created the "army" part in the first place, and turned yet ANOTHER nomadic Asian horse tribe (of which there were over seven that I can think of just off the top of my head) into a functioning mobile government and military, almost literally by himself.

>>48612171
But Arminius was a Roman citizen and had served in the legions. The Germanic tribes were not mindless animals either but had a culture of freedmen and nobles fighting together in bands. They would defeat an army here and there but never threatened Rome until much later when they copied the Romans.

>>48612236
Genghis successors also kept the systems put in place alive. But the Mongolian tribes were not savages killing and fucking like dogs. I despise the Dothraki because they're a stereotype asiatic horse people with all the stereotypes and vices but nothing redeeming.

>>48612334
You are both accurate and your opinion is fascinating and understood, but we're also kind of straying from the topic; namely that there isn't much actual evidence in Planetos that the Dothraki ARE an effective military except in truly overwhelming numbers.
Every culture that has actually faced them seems to dub them an annoying nuisance that's threatening on a small scale only.

Fuck, even Varys and Illyrio's plan didn't rely entirely on the goddamn Dothraki, it relied on the 10k+ soldiers of the Golden Company BACKED by the Dothraki. So one of the best trainer and most versatile armies in Westeros backed by a huge number of dangerous Skirmishers and horse archers who were nonetheless totally expendable in the long run.

>>48612511
Would it even been wise to use Dothraki in Westeros? Alien rapists and plunderers don't win allies for your cause. What would you do with them after the war?

New thread?
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