Why are Tolkiens elves and Warhammer elves the only ones allowed

>>48515415
The Dunedain Rangers, the Elves and Dark Elves of Raymond Feist's Riftwar Saga, the armies of elves and men against the demons in the Elstones of Shanarra, etc. etc. so on and so forth.

In other words, you're a moron.

>>48515427
Dunedain are humans, you know. Maybe not insult people before you check your own facts next time.

>>48515415
Warcraft Blood Elves are all heavily armored spellswords. Or shunned rangers.

>>48515415
Most other people can't afford to fight ancient evils, or don't want to.

>>48515527
they are spellslinging mages that start crying if they break a nail.
The old nightelves were badass warriors but Kosak happened.

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>>48515415
Chronopia

>>48515427

The elves in riftwar were all basically rangers, even the animal pelt wearing dark elves. Only lord Thomas, a human lover of the queen, wore plate

>>48516381
Mah nigga

>>48516381
I'm looking them up, seems interesting.

>>48515490
>>48516413
I thought OP was complaining about only elves alone, not about those two factions of specific elves.

>>48515427
Thank you for giving me more reading material, anon.

>>48516649
From my understanding it's about elves in general, not the 2 he mentioned, but >48515427 gave 2 wrong examples that actually backed up op and then called him a moron....

>>48515415
Aren't most Mer of Elder Scrolls like that, only with even more arrogance?

>>48516413
>Thomas
>h

Get out

>>48516815
Please forgive me anon, I'll go quietly

>>48516694
depends, the most violent elves are the bosmer, a bit more than the orsimer, but orsimer are the most melee combat oriented meri

>>48516815
literally who?

>>48515415
The Mer would like a word with you.

>>48515415
Iron Kingdoms' elves have one of the best heavy armored melee units in the game. Half a unit of them can scrap a heavy in equal point value and a full unit can take out a colossal twice their point value.

>>48516694
>>48517400
But there are so many of them.

>>48517476
>iron kingdoms setting
>elves aren't even noble or good
>trying to compare the warmashit setting to whfb
Get out

>>48517514
and?

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>>48515415
Cynwall elves

>>48517687
You have to be more specific.

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>>48517700
My nigga.
Asadars are pure sex.

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>>48517700
>>48517942
>Cynwall elves
At what am I looking here?

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>>48518035
In that picture specifically ?
It is a Pulsar, a relic war-construct housing a sort of limited intelligence deployed by the Cynwalls.
It was comparable to heavy cavalry of the other armies.

Pic related is an Échahïm, which also served as cavalry for Cynwalls, thought in a different way.

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>>48517668
No joke, IK is a fantastic setting. It's well considered and coherent in a way that very few fantasy settings are - most likely because it was designed from the ground up as an RPG world.

There's probably more depth in the succession history of Llael than in most of the Empire's political workings as the audience knows them. Which is fine, because the Empire and the Old World are awesome for different reasons.

Warmahordes' failing is the goofy design ethos of its early models.

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>>48515415

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Armoured elves thread?

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>>48518263
That would be great.

>>48515415
Because elves are different kind of beings in different mythologies.
In english we have the human sized version of elves on which tolkiens elves are based.
In the french and germanic myths they are more like fairies or pixies.

Over time these two images merged together to create today's human-sized, weak, magic using elves.

Fun fact: In the german translation of Lord of the Rings elves even got a "unique" name to prevent this confusion.

>>48518197
That's a very silly cavalry. Both of them.

Dawnguard Sentinels and Ellowuyr Swordsmen in Warmachine/Hordes are plate mail wearing elves that hack and slash up close with great swords.

>>48518305
You mean like "die elfen" and "die elven"?

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>>48515415
wild hunt elves had plate

not sure if they get in the books too or just the games, don't even know if they show up in the books

>>48518385
"Elben". Singular is "Elb".

>>48518428
Oh yeah, sorry thats what I meant.
I always wondered about that

>>48518305
>Fun fact: In the german translation of Lord of the Rings elves even got a "unique" name to prevent this confusion.
Much funnier fact: Tolkien liked it so much that he regretted not calling them Elben in the English version
Then again he liked the German translation more than the English one in general since German can build words and names much better than English

>>48518385
They are called "Elben" and that is most likely a mixture of the world "elfen" and "alben", might even have something to do with "Albion". It might just be completely made up to remove the confusion the world "Elf" would have caused.

>>48518512
Probably from "Alb", which is the more vicious version of the germanic elf. Some think the german word for nightmare "Alptraum" (Traum=dream) is related to that.
Yeah, I like my language, don't mind me giving a lecture on it

>>48515415
Because when DnD hit the scene they decided to use Legolas as the base example of an elf instead of Glorfindol. In Tolkin's work the two major Elvan civilizations the reader encountered was Lothlorian in LotR and Thurandil's Elvan Halls in the hobbit. Both forest bound. Rivendell was also in both but was always viewed as a unique special place, an exception from the other elvan realms.

As Legolas was an inspiration for the wood elf trope the idea of an elvish ranger became the common first thought for playing an elf. Years and years of franchises piggybacking off of each other led to elves being the forest race, with a few outliers here and there.

Warhammer drew massive inspiration from the Silmarillion Noldor elves, who were the shining armor and finest weaponry and armor elves in the LotR setting.

WoW, inspired by Fantasy followed suit with their elves as well.

>>48515415
Tad Williams elves (if you can call them elves) wear armour and kick major ass in close combat

Melnibonians and Vadhag could kick ass in combat too, before they sorta went extinct - but their last remainants, Elric and Corum, still kick major ass in close combat


seriously, stop treating D&D/WoW cliches as representations of all fantasy

>>48518478
I have to agree with him. I Read Lord of the Rings in German and English and enjoyed the German one more.
German is just such a beautiful written language, it's also great for speeches. But it's kinda awkward to use in casual speech compared to English or French, if not one of the worst overall.

>>48518650
>German is just such a beautiful language
are there several German languages? 'cos the one they taught me in school, and the one I hear from germans is horrible barking blackspeech, fit only to drive slaves and throw death threats

>>48518703
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>>48518703
I dislike this meme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuxgMGBymos

>>48518758
exactly what I mean. sounds so choppy and military. ugh.

>>48518703
That's why I put the word written in there.

But it doesn't even sound as bad as people make it out to be. I think that mostly comes from learning German from non native speakers. Kinda like English sounds terrible if a german person speaks it.

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>>48515612
Butthurt magic user detected.

But really, Blood Elf spellbreakers were a force to be reckoned with back in Warcraft 3. It's a shame they don't show up more in WoW.

>>48518703
>this is what happens when people are used to girly languages
Kekkedy

>>48518796
>>48518821
except before that meme I had been learning it in school and also had my german-obsessed friend try to convince me how beautiful it is. so my sources were biased the other way, and I still find it harsh and croaking.

>>48518856
It's fine man, girls nowadays are down with feminine fuccbois so you'll be alright
Just don't go to prison

>>48518884
well, it's not my nation/language that has Tokio Hotel, so your point is pointless

>>48518917
Considering that they went the most metal of pussy fuccboi routes and that there are dozens of english boybands and solo singers like that I'll take your point and smile

>>48518917
>Tokio Hotel
That's the first time in years I heard about that band. They still exist?

>>48518961
I just googled it
they grew beards

>>48518976
is that an euphemism

>>48518961
they must. shit like that endures long.

>>48518976
so they became hipsters?
hmm, it's a difficult question what's more gay - hipsters or whatever their old style was

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>>48518980
no
>>48518999
yes

>>48519030
ugh, that's somehow even more gay than what they used to look like.

they wouldn't look more gay if they wore whore make-up and peacock feathers

>>48519057
I think that's less gay because I wouldn't fuck the bearded version

Tolkien's Elves and Humans (and Dwarves) fought alongside in War of Wrath, against Melkor.

>>48519131
was it canon that dwarves had such epic gear they could withstand dragonfire?

>>48519167
Considering that only one clan knew how to do the metal pants I'll say probably not

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>>48515415
Tiste Andii. Also the Tiste Edur who aren't massive pricks, which is like... Seven of them? Tiste Liosan pretty much all die as soon as they appear on screen though.

ANOMANDER RAKE ALL UP IN THIS BITCH

>>48519167
not dragonfire itself (that's impossibru), just the heat of dragon's PRESENCE and collateral heatwaves from dragon's breath. anything in direct breath radius was ashes, dwarfs or no dwarf.

>>48519167

Turin's helm was a dwarven mask, and did well when he was fighting Glaurung. So, maybe.

>>48519216
>>48519240
maybe i'm just confusing it with the dragon helm which could prevent any injury

>>48518703
German is good if you want to get shit done, but its the worst if you want to get down with the ladys, if you catch my drift.

>>48519167
>>48519216
>>48519240
>>48519293
>>48519295

>Azaghâl and his army fought with fierce iron masks on, and they were able to resist the fire far better than any Elf or Man. Then Glaurung trampled Azaghâl beneath his feet, but Azaghâl ran a dagger through Glaurung's stomach, and the dragon fled in pain. Many of Morgoth's forces retreated with him. In a solemn ceremony the Dwarves picked up their fallen leader, abandoning the battle, and marched him home in a great procession. Their wrath was so great that none troubled them.

>>48519480
okay, "far better", but still not outright immune. that's dragonfire, and that's Glaurung we be talking about. that shit melts Rings of Power.

>>48519480
well it does not specify if the masks helped them withstand fire or if it was just dwarves' innate hardiness and resistance against fire

>>48519480

Iron is probably the worst material for fire resistance because it conducts heat so well. You'd need some next-level kind of insulation in those suits of armor or you've basically shown up to a literal firefight wearing a figurative portable dutch oven.

Direct from my physical copy of the Silmarillion:

>Last of all the eastern force to stand firm were the Dwarves of Belegost, and thus they won renown. For the Naugrim withstood fire more hardily than either Elves or Men, and it was their custom more-over to wear great masks in battle hideous to look upon; and those stood them in good stead against the dragons. And but for them Glaurung and his brood would have withered all that was left of the Noldor. But the Naugrim made a circle about him when he assailed them, and even his mighty armour was not full proof against the blows of their great axes; and when in his rage Glaurung turned and struck down Azaghâl, Lord of Belegost, and crawled over him, with his last stroke Azaghâl drove a knife into his belly, and so wounded him that he fled the field, and the beasts of Angband in dismay followed after him. Then the Dwarves raised up the body of Azaghâl and bore it away; and with slow steps they walked behind singing a dirge in deep voices, as it were a funeral pomp in their country, and gave no heed more to their foes; and none dared to stay them.

>>48519653
They're magic anon

>>48515415
I play a Tairnadal Elf in Eberron and I'm perfectly allowed to do just that. In fact it's a must.

>>48519653
ain't gotta be iron. dwarfs diggy diggy deep holes, can find tungsten there. would be still called iron, of course, because tungsten is lame-ass name

>>48516694
Well Bosmer are stealtharcherthemovie.elderscroll (despite that they got quite a few swordmasters as per lorebooks) and when they fight its rip and tear.

Orsimer are noble savage dwarf knockoff orcs who wear heavy plate and swing hammers.

Dunmer are spellsword/nightblade the race.

High elves suck at close combat.

Khajeet are kungfu masters .

Maromer either torpedo you with a spear or drown you.

Dwemer science you away in their mecha suits.

Falmer shoot you with poisoned arrows despite being blind.

>>48518512
>>48518571
"Alb" or "Elb" is a more traditional, older name given to traditional Germanic elves in the southern Germanic languages as opposed to the scandinavian "alfar".

Matter of fact, "Elfen" is suspected to be more directly related to the English "elves" crossing over into the German language in more modern times.

>>48519220
Best husbando !

>>48520054
>>Falmer shoot you with poisoned arrows despite being blind.


this was one of the things that annoyed me the most. Also they would have been scary if the caverns were dark.

but like in all rpgs the 4000 year old tombs and ancient tunnels used by blind mutant-elves are always illuminated by lit torches.

ASoIaF next book will have mostly humans against the Others

>>48516649
That doesn't explain why you randomly brought up the Dunedain, you had to have thought they were elves.

>>48518425
What the hell is this JRPG armour? I thought the Witcher was atleast somewhat grounded in historical accuracy.

>>48521636
The Wild Hunt is, essentially, the spectral projections of otherworldly elves. Usually they appear in skeletal forms but they can manifest in-person for special occasions.

>>48521636
Third game was a little batshit. Interplanetary super-elves who fuck everything up because their world is dying and they need a new one.

>>48518648
Are you stupid? WoW elves are great close combat fighters

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>>48519220
FUCK YES

BEST ELF

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>>48522261
I think not.

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>>48522603
Looks like a Fingolfin clone.

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>>48519220
>>48522261
>>48522603
plebs

>>48522690
i like how after half a century of copycats and followers still nobody really managed to top Feanor, Fingolfin and Finrod Felagund

>>48522603
>>48522690
>>48522697
All shit tier compared to Anomander 'I make Drizzt look like a prissy faggot' Rake

>>48522756
>I make Drizzt look like a prissy faggot
>implying that takes effort

>>48522690
WHFB elves are super based on the Noldor.

But Aenarion's stuff goes down a little differently from Fingolfin. He's actually more like what you'd get if you merged Fingolfin and Feanor.

>fuck my wife and kids are dead FUCK CHAOS!
>I know they said never draw the Sword of Khaine
>but
>fuck I just hate Chaos so much
>fuck me this sword is mad shit, I'm fucking mowing down daemons left and right, Ruinous Powers ain't got shit on me
>oh hey I found a hot chick being captured by Slaanesh
>FUCK YOU SLAANESH SHE'S MINE NOW
>anyway I'm pretty sure that sword thing has cursed my entire family line forever but hey I got a new wife and the pussy game is extraordinary
>and I have son now I guess?
>grow up stronk son, I'm tired of boning your mom, I'm gonna go drive this bitch motherfucker sword into the ground and fade away
>don't pick it up btw it's bad, it'll double curse you
>I'm dead or gone now or something this greentext is over. Peace.

>>48522751
also what the fuck with Tolkien and letter F? with that amout of kickass F-name characters, it's strange we ain't got Furin, Feren and Faragorn (i.e. top-tier kickass humans)

Because generally in settings that aren't those ones you have a race of spellcasters that would get slaughtered in close combat.

Why hit things with a pointy stick when you could throw fireballs instead?

>>48522938
>Why hit things with a pointy stick when you could throw fireballs instead?
aaaand you just described D&D

>>48522756
A lot of people make Drizzt look like a prissy faggot.

>>48522989
Drizzt himself being first on the list

>>48522989
>>48522775
Fine. Anomander 'I crashed my city into another fucker's city' Rake. Anomander 'Chained an elder god to my sword' Rake. Anomander 'Declared war on the Seguleh by virtue of existing' Rake.

Anomander 'Fuck you' Rake.

>>48515415
The witcher has Elves as guerilla warriors. They no longer have the numbers to fight the other way. Good book series though.

Faerun has the kind of elves you mention, such as in the last mythal trilogy.

>>48525819
>Faerun has the kind of elves you mention, such as in the last mythal trilogy.

I think most traditional fantasy settings do. Greyhawk, Faerun, Dragonlance, WHFB, Tolkien, IK, Elder Scrolls, Moorcock's stuff, etc.

Guerilla woodsmen elves with a tribal look are a modern invention. Generally the edgier and newer the series, the more innawoods and scattered they are as a whole. Witcher, Dragon Age, etc.

>>48517668
why don't you cunt

>>48515415
Because elves don't take plate armor proficiency as a wizard/ranger/rogue/dual wield fighter

>But what about the brave heroic elven clerics and druids
They don't exist.

Now those brave heroic dwarves, they don't need no stinking leather or cloth, just manly metal armor and grit.

Man. Whats even the point of elves. Besides being hated by everything. Or hating everything but themselves

>>48515527
>>48515612
Blood elves
>Tee-hee I love mana, give me mana, I need some mana, GIVE ME YOUR MANA, I NEED MANA MANAMANAMANAMANAMANA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH.....omg, I love red. Let's join the horde.

Night elves
>Man fuck everyone else, let's just make the trees live. Oh and let's make ourselves turn into cats and junk.
>You know what, let's try making a new form and then fuck it up and then pretend we don't know anything until the worgens get unruly
>Well at least the alliance isn't full of barbaric idiot greenskins let's join them because they like the world and junk.

>>48518758
I can't even read this and I know what it is.

>>48526598
You're one salty dwarf.

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>>48515415
Ishgard Elezen from FF XIV. The vast majority of them wears hauberks or full plate in combat, even spellcasters wear iron-plated robes. They also love firearms in all their incarnations - from
pistols to huge ridiculous harpoon cannons.

>>48522923
I mean, we've got Faramir.

>>48521636
Wild Hunt is a century long prank on dumb humans by interdimensional elves. They just clad in spooky armor to make humans shit themselves.

>>48518512
Elben is simply a more masculine and noble word than Elfen. Which is also used because tolkiens elves have little in common with traditional elves of the time.

>>48518703
depends on the region, some regions are literally barking their butchered versions of german while other regions speak a silky smooth version

>>48516413
>Only lord Thomas, a human lover of the queen, wore plate
Oh my god, I totally forgot about his mind-warping dragon armour thing. Christ, that must be where I get my parasitical armour fetish from...

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