Not fucking retarded OP Mk3 list building: http://conflictc

i claim first post,cause pending

Old Circle starter or new one?

>>48471251
Here are some insider stuff

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-07-25-2016

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-07-26-2016

Doesn't need to be added to the OP but it is news.

>>48471322
Honestly the new one, the old one had quite shite models while I believe the new is much better.

>>48471322
New one. Tanith is way better than pKaya (though I think pKaya is far better than she used to be this edition).

So,they'll be doing these insiders daily till gencon?That would be pretty sweet,i love insight into creative processes and concept art,too bad wmh art is strewn all over the fucking place,seriously I think I found most of it on fucking pinterest of all places.Same with the fluff.
Lol this turned into a ramble

>>48471378
Because of no double argus stuff? I dunno i just dont like Gorax lol. Otherwise i like them both thought tanith looks a lil bit butt hurt with that angry face.
>>48471407
Yes but on bigger format who's better? And if comparing with Kaya2?

>>48471251
Really? Cause you seem to have put the subject in the name field. Seems pretty retarded to me.

>>48471560
Still Tanith, her spell list is insane for Circle, while pKaya is kind of generic. eKaya is a bit of a different beast, but if you're legit wanting to run her you'll want one of everything living warbeast, and you have to buy her separately anyway.

>>48471650
at least the OP is updated this time round, so maybe he's only half-retarded.

>>48471728
Nah, he purposefully made this one to fix the OP, so if he'd fucked that up it would be a sign of complete idiocy.

>>48471672
>but if you're legit wanting to run her you'll want one of everything living warbeast
I didnt get that one.
>you have to buy her separately anyway
Not a problem actually.

Just picked up this lot from a local "yard sale" gathering at my LGS for $125. Wondering what are the ideal additions from this point. I know for sure I'm going to get the new Behemoth, but beyond that I'm not really sure.

Harkevich

Black Ivan
Spriggan
Destroyer
Destroyer
Juggernaut
Juggernaut

War Dog
Widowmaker Marksman

Great Bears of Gallowswood
Widowmakers

>>48471351
Ed is a pretty cool guy I think. He should probably write all of sole's insiders for him.

Do we have any theories of what Tristan and Jakes are gonna do?

>>48472539
Well Jakes we prob know from Tactics, or at least near enough.

>>48472539
Ed really does seem like a cool guy,he likes cryx and all
And his haircut doesn't scream complete faggot

from the old thread: yes, legion got knocked down from its apex. but it's in a decent place. better than cryx.

>>48472787
>better than cryx
REEEEEEEEE
I want Cryx to be a best ;_;

>>48471854
hark loves a conquest

destroyers kinda suck. you'll probably want to get the character jacks, some decent scoring infantry (IFP or winter guard rifles), kovnik joe, and probably a grolar or two

>>48471630
>Was talking about it, and the guy who was building the list had a rough idea, but I think the benefit is that it threats so far and he can do it pretty much at any time that it's going to severely warp how your opponent plays his list. You just need to be able to take advantage of that.
Yeah that was exactly how I planned it going. Basically I'd bring 2 lists. The first would be a generic good list that can handle anything thrown at it like Morghoul1 or Xerxis1. The second list would be for Morghoul2 when I can see that my opponent is using a pair of casters who both have generic defensive stats like 15/15 or 14/16 because then I know for a fact that the assassination is possible. Unless of course they have an obvious list they're going to use, like if one list has some Gremlin Swarms in it and that list has a vulnerable caster.

(Morghoul 2) Lord Assassin Morghoul [+29]
- Archidon [12]
- Aptimus Marketh [6]
- Bronzeback Titan [18]
- Titan Cannoneer [17]
- Titan Gladiator [14]
- Cyclops Shaman [8]
Tyrant Commander & Standard Bearer [6]
Extoller Soulward [3]
Mortitheurge Willbreaker [4]
Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [4]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7]
Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor [5]

(Morghoul 1) Master Tormentor Morghoul [+30]
- Titan Cannoneer [17]
- Titan Gladiator [14]
- Titan Gladiator [14]
- Bronzeback Titan [18]
Tyrant Zaadesh [4]
- Titan Gladiator [14]
Nihilators (max) [15]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (min) [5]
Extoller Soulward [3]

My only real debate is the Archidon in the Morghoul2 list. I could remove it and the Extoller for Nihilators, but Sprint on a 9" advancing model is sort of good.

>>48472853
prevailing wisdom is that cryx needed to be toned down but didn't really deserve gaspy2 to be dick kicked and denny2 to be vag kicked as hard as they were

stuff isn't all bad. it was easy mode in mk2 but now that honor is held by cygnar

>>48472908
>- Archidon [12]
Why?

>>48472908
And by the way I don't even think Morghoul2 is a one trick pony with his assassinations. After reading Flesh Hooks and thinking about it for a while, it actually seems sort of insane. It prevents your opponent's heavies from doing any power attacks to increase their movement by 3", which basically means you can move 3" closer to them and be safe. You can ALWAYS land the first hit on their heavies.

>>48473004
It just means that Morghoul can play hit and run during the midgame. Throw him at some heavy infantry, Flashing Blade them all to shreds, and Sprint away 9" to safety because this nigger got PATHFINDER.

Double sentry stone and Mannikens + ghetorix in almost every list. Guess i know what i need to buy. I hope they put char restrictions back eventually

>>48473352
Someone at my LGS has been doing that since he started the game not long after Mk3 dropped. It's fucking retarded and wins games. Sentry Stones do way more than a 5 point model should honestly. The fact that Mannikins can activate and shoot the turn they're dropped is beyond ridiculous.

So I'm fairly new and decided to make a troll list. How's it look? What needs changing?

Trollblood

75 / 75 Army

Ragnor Skysplitter, the Runemaster - WB: +30

Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15)

Rök - PC: 21 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15)

Troll Axer - PC: 10

Troll Axer - PC: 10

Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 4

Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3

Trollkin Runeshapers - Leader & 2 Grunts: 9

Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7

Kriel Warriors - Leader & 9 Grunts: 11

Dhunian Knot - Leader & 2 Grunts: 6

>>48473352
the answer isn't char restrictions, it's improving other options

>>48473954
If everything in Circle became comparable in strength to the Sentry Stone, the game would be fucked. Like, royally.

>>48474145
i meant re ghetorix

Warmahordes mostly looks lame to me but the two Hordes "subfactions" in Minions caught my eye. How many models would i need to play a normal sized game? Farrow seem pretty cool.

>>48474848
They're not subfactions as such, anymore, they play together now.

At 75 points, the general mainstay for army size, armies go anywhere from 20-40 models on average, though it heavily depends on your caster and choices in list building.

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>>48474848
Farrow are like Klingons minus the facade of honour and with more raiding. Guy above you looks weak? Kill the faggot and take his place. The leader of the Farrow is literally called Lord Carver, BMMD, Esq. III.

And they aren't really divided anymore. The only division is in warbeasts. Farrow warlocks can only bring farrow warbeasts, and Gator warlocks can only bring gator beasts. When it comes to infantry, you can bring anything you want.

>>48475184
Bringer of Most Massive Destruction. Not a Minions player, but if I was, this is the cunt I'd pick first just for the name.

>>48475287
Same. None of the gators really appeal to me, but for some reason Carver just seems like a fucking badass.

I posted in an earlier thread but it autopruned like immediately.
Got a menoth lot from my brother. Looking at it, some things are magnetized, like I think sanctifier?

But I talked to him and he gave me the lot because "they ruined my bastions"

I have: errants with us, bastions, hierophant, choir, vassals, wracks
Kreoss, severius,
Castigator, crusader, reckoner,vanquisher, devout, redeemer, repenter, revenger.

What's the good stuff in my pile? Bad? Anything I should pick up?

So...thoughts?

Vlad3 +27
-Ruin -17
-Rager -11
Fenris -9
MOW Drakhun x2 -18
Markov -7
Uhlans x2 -40

>>48475307
Bloody Barnabas is not to be underrepresented,leading a suicide crusade in order to ascend to godhood is pretty fucking badass

I this the better thread

I grabbed the Cygnar box and a Stormguard which are apparently the bad ones but whatever might as well make the best of it.

I like this caster a lot for some reason what I else should I get in the future to bring her up to 75?

One note I'd like to try and keep the Ironclad in, being a storyfag she has one in her little story in the book in the box named 'Buster' and that kind of stuff appeals to me.

Also, not a warmachine nub, just a Cygnar nub already play Legion(rip) and Ret.

>>48476002
legion is fine :P

>>48476002
stormclad

>>48473790
Replace the Kriel Warriors with ANYTHING else and you've got an alright list. Also, you really don't need that many Stone Scribes (and I've found the Elder to be kinda' redundant nowadays as well).

>>48476002
So, getting a Stormclad is a great idea since it gets a free focus when it activates near any model designated as a 'Storm Knight.' Squire is also a very useful solo, and a nice staple. If you want to stick to theme there are two other Storm Knight units, the Stormblades and the Stormlances, along with solos based off of both. Sadly, I don't know what she'd specifically wants in high point games.

>>48476118
Really? I thought they were good as a wall o dudes. With the krielstone they should be pretty tanky, no?

>>48472539
Tristan has a very good signature spell but his feat and mainstay is related to running jacks,

Jakes and her battlegroup kinda hit fast and scoot.

>>48476653
what's his sig spell

>>48476969
what does Andy2 get?

>>48477138

A very nice hat.

>>48477138
Battle orders

>>48476390
They just don't have the speed to get where they need to be and do what they need to do. They WILL get shot up on the approach and WILL NOT do much damage when they arrive. If you want a wall of bodies that will get in the way pretty well, Burrowers of all units actually do that better. They can survive the approach a bit better thanks to DEF 13 and Dig In.

But, really, try Kriel Warriors out and you'll probably see what I mean.

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So as a Skorne player, what are the obvious choices for my objectives?
Also, do we have a sideboard for Steamrollers, or is it one list or the other, not other mods?
Can we use the same Objective for both lists?

Thanks, /tg/.

>>48477635
Objectives are less obvious choices now.

But generally, if you don't see a specific reason to take one, either take the smoke cloud to hide your caster behind or take the cover to hide your caster behind.

Updated OP so imma respond here

>>48469328
>No standout stupid shit in Legion

This feels true. Nothing to the level of Sloan and Mantree. What we do have are powerful self sufficient infantry and solos. The design philosophy of the game attempted to shift towards the middle where being stupid silly good list is no longer a requirement to win...


I believe PP failed in that regard. The game still rewards finding the crazy shit and outliers and winning before the dice are dropped. You still want to take the most optimal option and spam it if possible....whats good is that they increased BG size to limit spam of problem concepts within Warmachine what's bad is that it feels like they fell short of cross system balance. Beasts straight up feel over costed and that's an odd thing to say as a Legion player as our beasts were pretty costly coming into the new edition.

That said the game is still fun.

I'm pretty sure the Hellmouth will be our first taste of design space that isn't a bitter pill as Legion.

>>48478120
>No standout stupid shit in Legion

Like L3 being able to threaten into their AD line bottom of 1?

>>48478362
so can Vayl2

Reposting Polish championship lists:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4FN4OI7Zo5EUEZBTno4alpRZGM/view

>>48478628
Are these lists posted in order of placing in the tournament? If not, where can I find the rankings for this?

>>48478362
>AD.
>Finally having a downside.
>BAD.
KEKS

That isn't the problem of Lylyth3. The problem is she can constantly reposition away from retaliation save for magical guns.

>>48478437
Okay this is news.... How so?

>>48478437
L3 threats 30-31". Can Vayl2 actually personally get up the field far enough for her oraculous to make an arcnode?

Been playin for about 3 weeks now. I'm playing menoth with Malekus and the rest of the battle box. Malekus is so strong, but I was looking at eKreoss or Durst as other casters to try. I really want to run knight exemplars which don't really have a role in an army with malekus.
Can any other menoth players tell me about how either of these casters operate?

So know what?
I am requesting a New Battlebox vs Old Battlebox for all factions since it may help out the newbies.

>>48480204
Convergence is easy enough

Old BB was all about stupid denial, which made it harder to use for newbies, but much more annoying in the hands of vets. Access to easy knockdown, easy rough terrain, and SPD debuffs made it excessively powerful at getting the alpha. It wasn't Cryx BB powerful, but it had a lot of tools.

New BB loses a lot of that, but plays more into what newbies are trying to do: deliver heavies. Monitor's gun is useful, though you have to fish for crits, and the Mag Hold + Beacon combo allows you to outthreat every other BB far as I've seen. Diffuser also scales much better into bigger armies, Mitigator was a specialist piece, not really suited to every army, where the Diffuser can find a home in just about every list.

>>48480327
What.
Convergence? What. Are you talking about.

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Its a toss up between raiders and witches really.

>>48480398
Don't play that game with me.

>>48479068

>Vayl walks 6", 2" Slipstream, Feat, Cast Far Strike on herself, shoots oraculus 14", spells threat 8"

28-30" threat on Vayl2 depending on where the slipstream goes

>but how do you get an oraculus target so far up

Slipstreaming a Raptor

>>48472947
>it was easy mode in mk2 but now that honor is held by cygnar
I want this meme to end. Cygnar is strong, but not on the level of Ret, Khador and maybe even Protectorate.

>>48472908
>The first would be a generic good list that can handle anything thrown at it like Morghoul1 or Xerxis1.
Believe me, that Morg1 list cannot handle antythign thrown at it. I don't think such a list even exists in Skorne right now.

>>48474848
An average 75p list has between 20 and 30 minis. Though you can start playing with way less.

>>48476002
Maddox will definitely like the Cygnar staples, like Junior+Sentinel, Centurion, Stormclad or Storm Lances. I also think she'll love the Hurricane, if that thing is ever released.

>>48478628
I hope we also get statistics for the German HMDs from last weekend. The list and faction composition was rather interesting, but adding results to the mix makes it a lot more relevant statistically.

>>48480657
Dont play what game lol?
CoC only have 1 battlebox and all i did was requesting the new BB and the new BB comparsion. And you actually started comparing the two.

>>48481248
Their Mk3 Battlebox is different.

It's Monitor/Diffuser/Galvanizer instead of Cipher/Mitigator/Galvanizer

>>48481263
It is not even released yet.
But i believe you. That would change alot actually.
>>48480327
Sorry, pal, didnt know about this MK3 stuff for CoC.
Lucky me got all the models from old and new BB.
Thanks for the tips lol, now all that stuff do make sense.

>>48479919
How do you like is so far? Are the jacks good outside of use with Markus and the whole fire theme?

>>48481461
It likely won't be released as a standalone box.

But, same as Mercs and Minions and the old alt boxes, it's just listed as a possible starter.

That Jakes pose is awful, hopefully her non limited model is posed better. Can't wait to see Andrei's reveal.

>>48481628
That's not a limited model. Regardless I like the pose.

>>48481041
A Morg1 player went 4-0 last weekend. His only loss at the tournament was the final round where he was forced to use his second list, Rasheth. Morg1's feat is ridiculous. Your beasts can NOT die on feat round.

>>48481921
To be fair - that morg1 player ran double Aradus Soldiers as a mainstay.

>>48481958
Only because of le epic gunline maymays. At my LGS gunlines aren't really a worry, though I'd consider magnetizing the Soldier half of my Aradus if I went to a large tournament. I miss giving a Sentinel +4" to shooting and making Ancillary Attacks ;~;

>>48481921
>A Morg1 player went 4-0 last weekend
Yes and how does that contradict my statement?

>>48482070
While technically it doesn't, you also don't have any real basis for saying that my list can't handle anything thrown at it besides "Well you aren't running Aradus Soldiers". I'm operating on the presumption that I won't be facing oppressive gunlines since I know the players at my LGS, and even if I do face gunlines, I have a LOT of boxes for them to chew through. I mean, maybe I could take out a Gladiator for Orin Midwinter, a Master Tormentor, and a Tyrant Commander since the list is floating a point at the moment.

>>48482096
It can't beat Ozzy Ossyan or Vyros. It can't beat Khador's Gunjacks+Team Rocket. It can't beat pHaley or Kara and has major problems against eCaine.

It can work against Amon, probably also Sevy2 and Reznik, though removing the Nihilators would make it better against the latter two.

It works really well versus Doublewrath, but not so well against Wormwood (Tiberion would help). It should work similarly well against eDoomy, don't know about Gunnbjorn.

Aradus' would help. But even then you won't be able to get close to 50% versus all popular lists, just against some. You just can't plan on doing that with one list, especially with Skorne.

>>48482161
You're ignoring the part about how I'd bring Morghoul2 if my opponent's lists looked vulnerable to assassination, which those little gunline fuccbois are.

>>48482176
I just don't think that your pMorg is a valid all-comer. And relying too much on a gimmicky assassination - however cool I personally think it is - doesn't seem like a good plan versus experienced players.

>>48482200
I don't think it's gimmicky at all. It warps your opponent's play while Flesh Hooks allows me to get the alpha strike on your heavies. You're forced into a situation where all you can really do is walk backwards, handing me the control point or flag or whatever it is.

>>48482221
And in Mk2 that would have worked. But nowadays there are a lot of common lists that just laser away anything that comes to within 12-20" of them without really committing. A ~17" assassination threat is just not going to cut it against that.

It might work against Ozzy in that it would stop him from feating on you. But he has a very valid assassination of his own and you'll have to walk into that threat repeatedly to pull off your game plan.

For those who care:

eDurant has Manifest Destiny but that is not his new spell

>>48482486
>but that is not his new spell
So what you're saying is that he has a never-before-seen spell on top of that?

>>48482513
Yes.

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>>48471251
Question for all my fellow Iosans, as someone who is newish to the faction can you help clear up the relationships between our casters. Here is what I've gleaned so far.

From same house/organization:
>Rahn and Helynna
>Vyros and Issyria
>Garryth, Kaylessa, Ravyn
>Ossyan
>Thyron

Share some kind of Friendship/mutual respect:
>Kaylessa and Ravyn
>Ossyan and Helynna
>Vyros and Rahn
>Thyron and Vyros
>Garryth and Rahn
>Garryth and Kaylessa

Am I missing anything?

So, my group is going to be starting up a JML soon and I was wondering something. In week 4 it says caster swap allowed, but in weeks 5 & 6 there is no such clause. Is this intentional?

>>48481558
Nothing stands out as particularly amazing, but the castigator and revenger are excellent on feat turn for malekus. The extra die and boosting castigators combustion is a nasty combo.
I'm also running a crusader and repenter which don't really synergize and just die horribly. It could be that Im not utilizing them well enough. Crusader is a cheap model with the stats he has though.

>>48482992
So, upon further investigation into the Journeyman League rules, each model you add to your list is a permanent addition to said list (any model/unit you add on week 2 must be present in week 6) The caster swap is also permanent. Once you switch casters, you must finish the league with said caster.

How are you guys that are currently in a JML liking this rule?

>>48483326
That's generally how slow grow leagues work. They're not considered super srs, they're intended to get new people into the game and be fun for people picking up new factions.

I like it, because I think it makes an interesting list building challenge. At what point do you add what support, bring a shiels guard etc, and at what point do you bring infantry etc, and considering what you expect your opponents to bring that week. If everyone stays to it it forces a cool meta game for experienced players and something easy for beginners.

I like the low points games, where sometimes maligned jacks like the decimator become really interesting.

The caster swap is where things get crazy.

>>48483326
>>48483524
Problem is that the construction rules are fucking retarded. It's a grow league that will result in you having a single utterly terrible list.

What would you guys recommend?
I have a couple of friends i played Warhammer with and i had 4 not-so-big armies for us to play with. Oh and sometimes i took some stuff which belonged to my brother, to be honest, since he is more interested in painting anyway. Now, when i surely do not like the "ITS META TIME!" thing in WH40k, i am building up 3 armies at a time. PoM, Legion, CoC.
And since i've got 2 Warmachine factions, i am willing to "balance" it with another Horde faction. However, after considering all this and that, a question appeared.
Which of other factions (Ret, Khador, Sygnar, Circle, Trolls, yes, i do not consider Scorne and Minions as well as Merc because i do not like aesthetics) would be most tricky to play?

So what's the reaction been like to mk.iii?

Did it wlevate the game or is it being heralded as the end times?

>>48483560
Just wait a couple more tournaments so you can buy a net deck list and not have to worry about it any more, k?

I don't like fun leagues where everyone is operating under the same restrictions either?

New players build bad lists and make bad decisions. We should just send them all here for advice.

>>48483655
No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that the JML rules are a pile of garbage that will result in players gimping themselves unnecessarily.

>>48483571
PoM and CoC play very differently. I'd say go with Trolls, as of the Hordes faction they're the most removed from legion.

If you wanna go crazy, you could go Cephalyx, who have different rules still than the other wm factions, and function well as a smaller collection. (You'll want a lot of little dudes in old-timey diver hats, though)

>>48483689
You're right, JML should just be SR16 75 point games where you have to use the bb casters.

>>48483697
Well i am not looking for "removed" actually but more like "tricky" since PoM and CoC do feel like brutal powerhouses when buffs applied (and those would be applied most of the time, rigth?).
I sorta like Cephalyx but that mini-faction, while looking viable, definetely have issues with variety.
Trolls - yeah, maybe, thought Ret, Khador, Trolls and Circle do look completely alien to me.

>>48483610
Many steps forward in some areas, steps back in others.

The Warmachine side finally became interesting to play since now you WANT to take jacks instead of just filling your minimum caster points. The streamlining of cavalry was nice but is such a small segment of the game. Removing the command checks is very good.

Premeasuring is good but they probably should have looked at ranges again since it's easy as fuck to shoot at your maximum and be outside of enemy melee ranges. Lots of things got unnecessary nerfs or buffs. And there was a lot of simple rule interration mistakes that have been mostly errata'd out meaning more than a dozen cards that are coming in the army card packs are ALREADY obsolete.

It's a good move forward with some stumbles, but not a huge leap forward.

>>48483706
Now stop it with the stupid strawmanning. Or are you really that dense? That is not at all what I said.

Look at this for example: In week 2 people have to put jacks/beasts worth 10p into their lists and keep those in their lists all the way to the end of the league. Can you really not see the problem with that? Honestly?

>>48483872
>Many steps forward in some areas, steps back in others.
So many times this. I'm looking forward to 2018, when Mk3 will be finally finished.

>>48483888
What are your suggested changes then? You can't change existing battleboxes and have to get new players from 0 to 75 points

>>48483655
The week two battlegroup only restriction is absolutely stupid when you're only bumping up 10 points. Every other restriction would be tolerable if that on went away.

>>48484274
Part 1 0p battlebox
Part 2 25p need to include battlebox
Part 3 50p all breaks off
Part 4 75p

Each part can be 2-4 weeks long, decided by the PG and players.

>>48484274
Not that guy, but I'd start testing with removing the battlegroup restriction at week 2 and allowing solos or something. I fully admit that I'm not a game designer so I don't know if that would be enough to balance it, but that's where I'd start and let testing figure out if that works.

>>48484535
Part 3 I'm playing Butcher3, Ruin, Beast 09, and a Juggernaut. Thanks for coming out guys

>>48484644
That's pretty much what happened in mk2 JMLs.

>>48484793
Which is why this suggested change is garbage.

>>48484644
Go ahead. It's not any more broken than what other factions can bring at that point value. In fact I think your list is somewhat on the weak side. Well not all factions, but that is a general Mk3 balancing problem.

>>48484909
In a 50 point jman league game though? It's just a random collection of models that will destroy new players. It's also the start of a really strong Khador list that wins Steamrollers.

I could also do Irusk2, Behemoth, and whatever infantry models sound good to me. Still sure you don't want restrictions?

What's the best way to run Cognifex Cyphon? bunch of wreckers and drudges, skip the dominators or what?

>>48484535
You cant change your battlegroup. Only the caster

>>48485018
Sensible restrictions might help. But I'll take no restrictions over BS restrictions.

>>48485187
Read the post chain.

>>48482748
Hey elffriend. I'm not to well versed on all the faction relationships either but I think Ravyn, Garryth, and Kaylessa are cool with Ossyan now since he retrieved one of the Iosan gods who currently is taking an extended nap. I'm not 100% on this and if any lore literate people are here they might be able to answer that.

>>48478628
Hmm.

I think I need to add a tournament lists feature to conflictchamber.com

Also have a few random fixes up, and putting some time in on adding stuff like specialists and dual list setups after having to take some time off due to my day jobs.

>>48485608
That would be pretty sweet, to have a reference point. Though that's going to add to your workload, since you'll likely have people sending you lists to upload at that point, or you need some way to verify that the lists are legit.

>>48485773
Well, the hope would be that the process would be mostly automated. With the logins set up, it's easy enough to delegate list curation, as well.

Switched to legion for mk3, going into it fresh

So I'm wrapping my head around the nephelim bolt thrower. It seems like all he does is advance or aim, cast animus, boost attack, boost damage. Quick work seems Incredibly situational because his melee output is pretty shit.

All that said, he seems kind of expensive for what he does.

>>48485871
Dont forget that you are supposed to pray for crits. Those are what should have justified its cost.

>>48485202
What restrictions would you do then? Hie do you make the Jman better without opening it up to this nonsense?

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What do you folks think of this list? Any obvious retardation I should know about?

>>48486013

Perhaps with a high def caster, he's not a bad 2nd wave support piece. Something engages your caster, aim and fire, hope for a 3" push to free your caster from melee.

But yeah, that knockdown is certainly great when it happens.

>>48486752
Well he can actually push other models aside opening a way for an assassinate. Also very good with snipe and Lylith2 feat.

>>48482748
I included characters in general for the hec of it.
>House Shyeel
Rahn & Helynna
>House Nyarr
Vyros & Issyria
>House Vyre
Ossyan (& Gyyrshyld)
>House Ellowuyr
Thyron
>House Issyen
Fane Knight Skeryth Issyen
>House Wyshanalyrr
Sylys Wyshanalyrr
>None/other
Kaelyssa (Born into Retribution)
Garryth (Street Urchin before Retribution)
Ravyn (Was associated with the Fane of Scyrah prior to Retribution. No known House)
Elara (Trained by Third Dawn before Retribution)
Narn, Nayl, Eiryss, & Dhalia Hallyr (unknown).

As for relationships
>Kaelyssa respects Garryth greatly and both have a professional respect for Ravyn but not much more.
>Ossyan has earned the trust of Ravyn, Kaelyssa, and much of Ios through his actions. Vyros and Issyria only see him as a pawn.
>Vyros and Issyria are practically siblings
>Rahn is a powerful man and has the respect of most of his peers.
>Helynna is a new player in the plot so all we know is she shares a house with Rahn and there's some manner of love interest between her and Ossyan.
>Thyron is well known s a great warrior but may be still too unknown on a personal level for more than just simple respect.
>Vyros HATES Gyyrshyld. Durign the war of the houses Vyros is the one who mortally wounded Gyyrshyld, losing his eye in the same battle.

>>48486926

I've had my eye on the naga, throne, and raek. Did they handle the mk3 transition well?

>>48487323
Cant say anything about throne. Raek and naga are good, thought i am pretty new as well as you, you might want to look for others' advices.

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I am pretty happy with the design. I just hope she trades dismember for weaponmaster and gets some strider support.

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>>48487521
And we can't forget the art.

I'm excited for Aiakos rules this friday

>>48487521
from where is this?

>>48487681
The new no quarter.

>>48487735
Do you have a link?(is it something really obvious and i missed it?)

>>48487810
I don't have the link or the no quarter. Someone else with the no quarter shared this with me.

Wish I did though. I wonder what other gold lies in that issue.

>>48487817
Oh,in that case you might try suggesting that sharing is caring...:^)

>>48487521
Looks like elfaboo Everblight liked Retribution Mage Hunter Assassins so much he made his own OC.

>>48487817
Any idea whether there is something on Horgle2 or Una2?

>>48471251
>Not fucking retarded OP
>Put the thread name in the name field instead of subject field
Heh.

>>48488648
Nope

Okay so I'm the epic memester who thinks Morghoul2 might be playable. I'm really starting to doubt it now. The problem is I need to know the entire fucking game inside out to know whether or not Morghoul2 is viable against both of a caster pairing. Some shit just fucks up assassination attempts. I played the list today and even though I won versus Grissel1, my gameplan got accidentally fucked up by her being able to prevent spellcasting in her CMD. And since I want to cast Flashing Blade 5 times, it was a no-go. I won by Flashing down a bunch of dudes to clear the way for the REAL sneaky subtle assassin to get the work done, a Bronzeback Titan. Turns out Trolls all being medium base is annoying as fuck because I can't trample over them :^)

Flesh Hooks also seems like a liability. I need to actually damage the beast to get the effect, and Morghoul only has 5 fury. Sure Marketh can fire one off and even boost it, but against some factions it just won't end well. A Circle heavy in a forest is DEF16. Even with a boost Morg won't hit that on an average roll.

I think I'm going to drop the idea of one assassination list and one brick list, and just fall back on my previous plan of one anti-Jack list, and one anti-Beast list. It seems a lot safer of a bet.

Circle Orboros not fully-competitive but not fully-shit list attempt:

25 points
Tanith1 - 31WB
Pureblood Waprwolf
Feral Warpwolf
x10 Reeves
War wolf
Lanyssa

What think?

>>48488097
Dude thats how she has always looked.

>>48488820
See why Silence of Death would have been better than Flesh Hooks?

>>48488873
Why do everybody pick Lanyssa for Circle? Whats so special about her? Free charge etc etc?

>>48489140
She strips pathfinder, and she's a point cheaper than a blackclad wayfarer for the same hunter's mark. I usually run her and a wayfarer for two marks at 7 points.

>>48489126
No, I think they're both fucking shit. Flesh Hooks underperforms because Morghoul doesn't have the fury to land hits and be able to boost damage over armour. Silence of Death would now underperform because Anatomical Precision has been buffed to negate tough, and Grievous Wounds doesn't stop transferring anyway. If Flesh Hooks was POW14 and Morg2 retained Maltreatment I think he'd be a LOT better since you could boost on 2 Flesh Hooks from a safe distance and an average roll would damage an unbuffed Khador jack. As is, yeah he's not great. I don't think he's the worst caster in the game though after playing him.

Although in my game today I was hilariously impressed at the combat power of Beast Handlers. When they land a hit they actually just slaughter single wound infantry. I'm seriously considering using 2 full units with Makeda1 because at MAT7 they'll rip through infantry. 6 guys with RNG2 for just 7 points that rip through infantry is sort of insane. And against Hordes you can tie beasts up. Any free strikes probably won't deal damage sure, but the attack can drop a fury point on the beast.

Like damn son I really want to try 2 full units of Handlers now.

>>48471854

If you like the new behemoth he plays nice with just about any caster, You might wanna think about converting one of the destroyers to black ivan, though you wont use him much without harkevich.

I'd start with an infantry unit. IFP are good, WGRC are the internet meta it seems. I love WGI but they arent really a must have anymore.

My two cents, another caster who appeals to you, and an infantry unit that suits them and can help you control the table.

>>48485608
This would be amazing. There are so many other tabletop games with a referential database of any and all tournaments showing winning lists. The closest thing we have right now is DiscountGames, and they can't even be bothered to upload much anymore. For as long as Warmahordes has been around, I'm surprised this hasn't been accomplished before.

>>48486013
In all fairness on a boosted hit there's a decent chance of a crit.

>>48489711
Just about 55% in raw numbers, though your to hit number matters a lot for that.

You're reasonably likely to see a crit if you make two boosted rolls looking for one.

>>48480723
using a Hellmouth tentacle as the node lets her drop spells into deployment.

>>48479068
yeah how dare any list have a gimmick *pointedly looks at sloan*

>>48485871
on Kryssa's feat turn for example, you'll want to animus, charge into melee, and then Quick Work something further up the table.

also most of his job is giving lylyth snipe

>he seems kind of expensive for what he does.
welcome to mk3 warbeasts

>>48486986
Hallyr is a Nyss thing. Vayl is Hallyr.

>>48489803
48%, bah. I dunno where I got 55%

Still, that's at needing anything but to hit. Needing a 8, for example, lowers the odds to 36%

>>48487323
Rae finally got ECR which is AMAZING in terms of force projection - that's 32" with Vayls and even 20" with Lylyths. Naga is still good for its animus, and it has a decent gun, but the animus is the biggest reason to take it

>THE MODEL THAT'S SHIT
Cyclops Savage
>WHY IT'S SHIT
It's an 8 foot tall fucking cyclops that can see into the future but has weak P+S and low MAT, and Future Sight sounds great on paper but is terrible in practice
>WHAT IT NEEDS
Remove Future Sight, make it MAT7 and P+S15

>THE MODEL THAT'S SHIT
Cyclops Raider
>WHY IT'S SHIT
It costs too much, doesn't shoot very far, has low RAT, ROF1, low POWER, etc. etc.
>WHAT IT NEEDS
Honestly just lower the cost to 6 points. Any higher and you should just bring a Soulward Extoller

>>48490122
I really want to see more "combat lights" become combat worthy.

>>48490200
Yeah, it's kind of annoying how many are either unusable or brought entirely for their animus. Circle seems spoiled for choice on the matter when it comes to Hordes, and I'd still only really take the Wild Argus and Scarsfell Griffon for direct fighting, everything else is either animus (gorax), sideways utility (moonhound, rotterhorn griffon, razorwing griffon) or not worth taking (woldwatcher, woldwyrd, winter argus).

>>48490318
Hell, I used to bring nephilim swordsmen for their animus. Now I just don't consider them an option.

Who needs to spend 9 points on a pow 13 light?

Naga Nightlurker on the other hand at least feels worth its points. Good animus, decent defenses, and has a decent gun.

>>48490367
The only light that's really worth bringing in all of Skorne now is the Cyclops Shaman because 1) it can craft talismans, 2) has a ghost shot gun, 3) it can use the animus of any beast in its CMD. It can be a Rushbot or a 14" gun. The Drake is now irrelevant with the Cannoneer's buffs, and the Krea doesn't do enough. And while Hexeris and a Razor Wurm is cute and fun, I don't think it has any serious potential.

>>48490806
So they pretty much made the blandest possible version of him

>>48490630
Well yeah, with Spiny Growth the way it is, I wish they had deleted the animus instead and given us something new.

Shaman does sound pretty nifty though. I will always appreciate the nephilim bolt thrower, naga nightlurker, and raek for being some of the better combat lights in all of hordes.

Not every light can be a hunter/sentinel/charger eh? Oh wait, were those all from the same faction? fuck.

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>>48490806
Wow. He barely looks cooler than the original. Wish he kept the trident.

>>48489903
So is Dahlia but she's an Iosan. Nyss were Iosan once too. They share naming conventions.

>>48490318
It always bothered me that a big fucking cyclops with a weapon often has the same PS as a random human with a weapon.

>>48491023
The entire Cyclops Savage package pisses me off the most.

>Cyclops Savage
MAT6
PS13

>A single Nihilator
MAT7
PS12

On the charge, 2 Nihilators will do more work than a Cyclops Savage because Nihilators don't need to spend one of their pathetic 3 fury to do the charge. Hell, ONE Nihilator can get more work done than a Savage. The boxes are likely irrelevant since one Nihilator can tie up basically the same amount of shit as a Savage too. Honestly THIS is where the change to Enrage hit the hardest. With Titans you can argue the sidegrade because throws are good now, but it made the Savage unplayable.

>>48490806
>You know what Reapers like? Assault.
>You know what Reapers like even more? +3 SPD and Assault

>>48491192
are his rules out then?

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>>48491192
Ug I guess.

I just wish there was some way Cryx could get hunters mark, or non-caster dependant free charges. Preferably for 3 points because we have no* ** 3pt solos


*in faction
**good

>>48491316
who else has non caster dependent free charges at this point?

there's a reason they removed the mk2 fuel cache. there needs to be a risk vs reward, not a no brainer.

>>48491355
Anyone who has access to Nyss solo, Circle, Convergence off the top of my head.

>>48491398
what in coc does it? cygnar is a fucking abomination these days and PP doesn't even care to hide it

>>48491456
Diffuser. Gives Beacon, which is basically Hunter's Mark.

>>48491285
No, that's a Will Hungerford quote from the PP forums.

>>48491355
Ret, cygnar, mercs, minions, circle, trolls through lynyssa who is 3 points and has 2 other spells.

Circle with wayfarers

CoC with Diffuser.

Legion, I'm not so sure, but they have a few movement tricks with slipstream.

Cryx nothing

Khador, I'm not sure

Menoth, I'm not sure but I feel like they've got to have something in there

Skorne, idk outside their lesser

I'm excluding jack marshalls because they are bad.

>>48491478
Admittedly, it's a bit hit-or-miss in that regard, since it's only range 9 and is dependent on the caster's RAT, but it can reroll if it misses.

>>48491736
Skorne has no access to free charges at all since the loss on enrage. Their lesser warlock doesn't give them any.

(Makeda 1) Archdomina Makeda [+29]
- Titan Cannoneer [17]
- Titan Gladiator [14]
- Titan Gladiator [14]
- Molik Karn [20]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7]
Nihilators (max) [15]
Extoller Soulward [3]
Extoller Soulward [3]
Void Spirit [4]

>That awkward moment when you realise your support is an insane anti-infantry unit

I mean, 6 guys for 7 points with a built in 11" threat range, newly-buffed anatomical precision, and MAT7 under Carnage that also function as powerful support units that can completely fuck up your opponent's fury management? Not to mention they're affected by Makeda's feat.

They also make a pretty good screening unit. Quicken them and have 3 run up to a shooting unit to tie them up because 2" range is hella sweet for doing that. Go ahead kill them, boo fucking hoo have your 3.5 points because there's a row of Nihilators behind these twatbags.

>>48491864
It's range 11 and has easy access to boosts, and with a 5" walk it's very good. Just as good as the Hunter's Mark models, especially since it's not easily removed.

>>48492097
You could just take Bloodrunner Master Tormentors if you like Anatomical Precision so much.

>>48491355
Legion flying beasts can get free charges with the hellion.
Lessers can get free charges with the Beast Mistress, for what good that is.

>>48492304
A unit of Handlers is much more flexible and can do a lot more. Honestly I've been using a Master Tormentor in most of my lists thus far and she just dies like a bitch after failing an attack roll and getting stuck in combat because parry was asking too much of Skorne development.

>>48488820
Can't you just...buy attacks instead of flashing blade? It doesn't let you cutely blind them before the charge attack but that's fine.

Also marketh is the only guy who should be using flesh hooks. Anything low enough def to hit with Morg 2 probably has high enough armor to probably ignore. A will breaker would be good.

>>48492531
Non-linear 18.5" assassinations require a throw and saccing your action to stand up. You can't buy more attacks if you sacrifice your action.

>>48492531
You can't charge or attack after forfeiting action after getting up.

His feat blinds everyone too.

>>48491147
>a single 1.5 point Nihilator can clear more infantry than a 8 point Savage (with an additional 1.2 points support), which is the only job the Savage is good at, and with the same threat range and footprint.

Oh god it's true.

DAMN YOU SOLES!

>>48492615
Ah ha I missed throw assassination.

>>48476118
>The elder redundant,

I know im slowpoking here, but wtf

>>48483655
Deliberately forcing new players to buy retarded shit is the worst thing you can do in a starter league, like "why am I even playing this game, man that Age of Sigmar stuff looks cool" levels of bad.

It doesn't even effect all factions equally, like Mercs don't give a single flying fuck but Trolls get shoehorned into having FOUR light beasts for the entire league.

>>48489140
So you've got the Blackclad Wayfarer, right?

Now take it, make it a point cheaper, and give it better secondary spells to compliment Hunter's Mark. That's Lanyssa.

>>48492716
The Krielstone covers pretty much your battlegroup and nothing else. The anti-incoporeal aura is a joke, it has never been useful. The anti-continuous effects ability is hardly useful since your ARM 16-18 battlegroup don't really care about a POW 12 or 1 damage point ability that might go away on the roll of a 1 or a 2.

Stone Strength is the only thing that's worth while, and with how strong shooting is in the meta right now you usually don't care about it. Even when you do get your battlegroup into melee it's 3 points for +1 STR that usually doesn't make any difference anyway. Pulverizer, Rage, Flaming Fists and the like are the important damage buffs.

The Elder is just 3 points that's better spent on something like Lanyssa. I just haven't gotten' much mileage out of him in MK. 3 (or Mk. 2 now that I really think about it). A melee-heavy battlegroup would be about the only good place for him. But again, with Pulverizer and Rage in there already, it's 3 points that would be better spent elsewhere.

>>48493230
>that Age of Sigmar stuff looks cool

honestly we are better without these people.

>>48493736
New players don't know any better, when you force them to waste money on stuff they don't want so they have the privilege of playing in the "new player" league to get ass-rammed for six weeks, they're going to go to a different game.

>>48494446
I can already see it. Some poor guy getting into Trolls being crushed mercelessly by Khador and Mercs week 1. Week 2 rolls by and his 4 lights are up against triple heavies from khador/mercs, or Rhulic double heavies/gunbunnies.

Hell, even basic warmachine factions will often be running double heavies by week 2. It only gets worse from there, as piece trading becomes impossible later in the league and assassination becomes more difficult.

>>48483560
Yeah but chances are the player will like all the models he places in it. The competitive bug bites after they kill their darlings.

It's only a problem when the players around you make it a problem.

>>48491192
ALSO good thing assault doesn't synergise with reapers at all. Thanks will. Good spoiler

>>48495549
I dunno. If the enemy was already in their threat range, it changes to harpoon>scythe>charge scythe>buy attacks compared to the walk up> harpoon>scythe>buy attacks. If there are some free charges going around, thats an extra attack.

It also can pull something far out of normal threat ranges into something that isn't the reaper's threat range.

But honestly, giving other jacks assault sounds like where the money is at.

>>48495549
It gets them 2 free attacks if its a successful charge.

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>>48476002

Thanks for the replies, doing this for the mk3 box league now too I guess.

Guess I'll try and build into this.

>>48486380
Like I said, less restrictions would already make it better. For example Trolls could actually take a heavy before week 100.

And that Butcher3 list is tame. He's not the boogeyman he was in Mk2 and even then that list would have been worse than what a good player could do with him.

If you wanted restrictions you could have them stick to their casters until the last 75p phase, at which point it's really just Steamroller anyways.

>>48489235
Silence of Death now grants +2STR though. That is why they had to take it away from Morg2. It would just have made him too strong.

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I just got my first new Cryx Battlegroup and I have to say, even though there is a shitload of stuff in the box, I was really disappointed on the quality of the models.
Anyone else thinks the colored plastic thats supposedly the same standard as the regular product just seems... well, bad?
Mine had a rubbery feel to it, impossible almost to the point of ridicules to remove the mold line. After a while, you just don't care, so I did the caster as best I could and then it went down hill from there. I know pp´s model quality is a bit meh to begin with, but this really was a new low for them. Id even go as far as to say I have purchased GW Finecast models that had better quality than the models (and only models!) in this box...

>>48495521
So you're perfectly fine with new players being showhorned into buying crappy models and losing to equally new players just based on the faction they picked for the entirety of a league that is supposed to show them how fun this game can be? Fuck off.

>>48497138
The shock coming from GW plastics to the (then mkii) battlebox is real. Its really terrible. However I felt that the mkiii box quality was much higher.

The metal modles are also p good so theres that

>>48497138
yea, the mk3 box seems to have had corners cut, i was disappointed by how much work i needed to do to prep the models.

>>48497195

Yea, after the caster I just lost interest in doing them to a good standard. Hell, my two heavy jacks both had large holes after flash removal, right in the front plate. Really bad handling, casting and quality of material on these models.

>>48497182

No joke. I don't want to sound like a GW fanboy, but I just assembled and painted some of GW latest plastic, and this mk3 box really was a slap in the face. My initial thought was "Ok?!? So these guys are one of the big miniature wargaming companies after GW?"

>>48497182
The spure plastic or resin or whatever it was that they used for the new Prime Axiom kit was fantastic, not one mold line I could find on my kit and just had to clean up the sprue bits, went together perfectly too. Easily my favorite kit I've built to date.

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>>48497182
>>48497262
Building my first unit box of Ret Houseguard Halberdiers made me question my life choices for a couple days.

PP's got some great metal work, though.

>>48497424
honestly you should always buy the metal version of a unit if same sculpt.

>>48497304

Yes, the new plastic are miles ahead of the old stuff. Thats what I have been telling for years, privateer press has been 10 years behind GW when it comes to models. With the new plastic they are finally taking a step in the right direction, to bad they cost more than GW plastic though (box vs box that is, I know, we get more "value" out of our miniatures as they offer more on the table, but still.... its damn expensive).

>>48473051

You realise how stupid flesh hooks is when all the real casters have stranglehold right?

take Thyra, higher FOC stat, better access to arc nodes, better army buffing, access to stranglehold and can pull an exta FOC from a wrack.

the difference between flesh hooks and stranglehold is night and day. Flesh hooks is a bad spell

>>48489140
Cheaper, extra spells, top tier waifu. What's so confusing?

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>>48491736
>Menoth
The Hand of Judgement charges anything that is set on fire for free. With Malekus, you can Open Fire at a jack with HoJ's flamethrower, light it up and activate HoJ to charge the fucker.

>>48491736
>Cryx nothing

Seethers.

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>>48497823
Speaking of Menoth, I'll just leave this here in regards to our good little boy Tristan becoming a man.

>>48497848
Not the same thing, the Seether has it for himself, we're talking about things that can pass the free charge love around.

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Anyone with actual playtime on Helynna around here? I'm wondering how well she does 4 heavies + Dawnguard mixed arms as opposed to the 6 heavies + solos lists that seem to be all the rage online.

>>48497970
honestly her best use is with 2 hyperians, imperatus, and arcanists.

>>48482748
I love that colour scheme. Anyone have an idea of what was used?

>>48497970
>Retribution battlebox
Please no PP I don't need or want a fourth manticore.

Why don't the battleboxes contain kits instead of just the one heavy?

>>48499787
>Tristan becoming a man.
To keep the costs low and not overwhelm new players with additional bits.

>>48500154
And to make people have to buy more heavy kits since the manticore is still the worst (still good, but not as good as the hydra/phoenix)

>>48489669
Well, it's on the list. Development has been slow both because of my day jobs recently, and I've been overhauling CC by converting it to Typescript (it's big enough that *I* find dealing with it in pure Javascript to be obnoxious)

Looking towards making the whole thing more modular and allow embedding CC lists and editing into other web pages (e.g., I'd love to see the discountgamesinc tournament lists using CC's engine, and Jay Larsen is a friend-of-a-friend, so I might be able to make something like that happen), with an ultimate goal of having more people using a centralized list-storage system.

It'll be integrated with PGSwiss later this year, too.

Also, I hit 500 likes yesterday, which is awesome.

>>48490318
The Woldwyrd is a viable combat choice for its points in Mk3; a RoF 3 boostable gun never sucks, and it has Purgation and Witch Hunter on top of it.

I'd at least call it a better choice for its own combat output than the Wild Argus, which is great, but primarily because of its massive debuff.

>>48497304
Yeah, denny3 was a dream compared to the other kits. Can't wait for the inflictor

>>48497872
Eh, depends on the rest of his kit.

If you're running seriously battlegroup heavy, Manifest Destiny is pretty to Synergy*, and we already have a Synergy caster that has two great battlegroup buffs on top of it.


* - Manifest Destiny gives approximately +1.5 on rolls with 2 dice, and +1.7 on rolls with 3 dice, and the kicker is it's not an upkeep, so you both have to cast it every round and can't take advantage of it before your caster activates.

>>48495549
Spending 1 focus for increasing threat range by 6" is not bad.

Previously: 6 SPD + 8" harpoon
Now: 6 SPD + 3SPD + 3" charge + 8" harpoon

Only issue is focus efficiency since you might need to boost to hit and/or damage as well.

But still, sounds like fun.

I want to expand my army but everything i want to get seems to be sold out everywhere. Is there going to be a new of plastics or is PP just bad at stock?

>>48501578
That is assuming you need to assault to take advantage of the +3SPD. Also, you do realize that Drag does not prevent free charges, right?

>>48501863
>Is there going to be a new of plastics or is PP just bad at stock?
History makes me think it's the latter. MK II was the same way, testing a whole bunch of revamped models, new player interest, and screwing around with new materials led to a lot of product shortages for a while.

Is it just me or does Eiryss 2's abilities seem pretty contradictory?

Her Pugation gives an additional die on attack and damage rolls on models with an enemy upkeep or animi on them.

But her Spell Breaker expires enemy upkeep spells.

So I don't see her often getting the extra damage on her crossbow attacks. Those two abilities are really strong, but they run into each other a lot and drop their synergy by quite a bit. Because who is going to put d3 damage on their caster/lock AND take an extra die of damage on whatever is going to be shot? Especially since it was probably an assault shot on a charge?

If you could CHOOSE to activate spell breaker, then all would be well.

>>48502198
Na, it's to really make your opponent sweat.

Some upkeeps you don't want to drop, which is how she gets the extra damage. You either make your opponent lose a very valuable upkeep or take an extra die of damage.

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Your Gen Con alt sculpt this year is Skarre1

>>48492327
>Lessers can get free charges with the Beast Mistress, for what good that is.
Shredders are still pretty good. So far my shredders have actually been doing pretty good in the journeyman league. Two of them almost ate a khador heavy under feat.

Being able to get a free charge so they can then buy and boost the damage on the second attack would be nice.

>>48501863
What are you looking for and who are you trying to order from?

>>48501565
>Manifest Destiny is pretty to Synergy
Oops, should be "pretty inferior to".

>>48503689
I would a Skarre.

>>48503689
Not sexy Stryker1, 0/10

>>48504115
>Lightning Weight Lager
>Model is Stryker passed out drunk with one can missing out of a six pack

>>48503689
I want this but I live in bongland. Is there even a hope in hell of them selling it over here?

>>48503689
>later that day Skarre was cold cocked by Haley

>>48504292
When the con is up, they sell them in their online stores.

Of course, their online store tends to crash.

>>48504376
Cock. I'm going to have to spend a grotesque amount getting one from Ebay scalpers, aren't I?

>>48504440
If you're persistent enough with their store, you should get through.

I know people on the forums tend to offer ninja services, but I've never dealt with that so I can't speak for how trustworthy it is.

>>48504115
this is exactly the behavior that made allie leave you.

Ive actually got an idea. TWO squads of Cinerators in High Reclaimer or Kreoss2 lists. How stupid is that?

>>48503689
seems pretty lazy, tbqh.

skarre is already canonically a slut, this sculpt adds nothing.

>>48505097
That's why I like it. It doesn't look stupid or out of place like the previous con models. It just looks like an existing Warcaster relaxing after work.

>>48505097
My pSkarre is the original one, so for me at least it would add a model that doesn't look like Tim Curry from Legend.

>>48505230
lol, i forgot how terrible that model.

but yea, i really don't see much difference between the current skarre and the gen-con exclusive.

disappointing

>>48504440
Its easy to get it after the first day.

The REAL issue is the £10+ shipping they'll want.

jakes probably has field marshal sprint, thus confirming even more that PP has decided to make cygtards their pet faction for this edition

>>48505493
You do realize likely all of the grown up casters are likely to be dogshit, right?

Most of the time their new casters are, with or two exceptions.

>>48487521
So is she a Warcaster or an epic solo?

>>48505656
Neither.

>>48505540
likely to be dog shit, based on what evidence exactly?

>>48505694
Have you seen any of the new releases?

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>>48506051
~uguu~ onii-chan

>>48505694
Look at all their book releases. Out of all of them, most of them are almost always bad.

>>48506082
And any of the other new ones? They're almost always terrible. Especially new Warnoun releases.

There will probably be one broken one and the rest will be unplayable garbage.

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>>48506115

>>48506132
Yea, they usually average one amazing release, a couple of semi-worth it releases, and then a bunch of terrible ones.

Why do you think Cryx played almost exclusively out of their army book for nearly all of Mk2?

>>48506132
This is how PP releases have worked for years anon. You got the one broken thing and piles of trash to niche playable but why bother.

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Just lost against eCaine with Malekus. Dammn he could insta kill my zealots in one round. True sight and magical weapons on all his jacks makes me vomit. How can i use my denial faction properly against THE denial-denial faction?

>>48506174
eCaine has the problem he always did: He'll come forward, kill a bunch of your army, and then die next turn.

Like, as Malekus, when he comes forward like that, just set him on fire and pop feat. Between what damage you do and the fire check, you have pretty god damn good odds of killing him.

>>48506200
Hmm i should use some artillery next time. Thanks brother in faith :-)

Anyone happen to have a NQ67 PDF?
The quality of content in NQ is too variable, I've decided not to pay for it until I've read it and confirmed it's worth the price. NQ66 was a joke.

>>48506259
A single long range cannon goes a long way in a game, moreso if it has big ass damage, a template, and can go ham in melee.

Regards,
A Skorne player.

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>>48506510
The ultimate expression of that sentiment.

>>48507343
I said big ass damage, not HAHA LOL I CRIT GET THE FUCK OFF MY TABLE

Also overrated models need not apply.

>>48507343
>long ranged cannon

>>48507627
>I said big ass damage
I see you have not yet met Ozzy Ossian, Prince of Gunlines.

>>48507757
Congratulations you're a walking game warping gimmick that functions as an "I WIN" button.

>>48503689
>feminists cry and ask for male cheesecake modes
>PP makes promises to think about it
>come out with this

Glorious!

>>48507887
>Skarre has a dick

>>48507627
Even without crit:
>POW 18 AOE 5

>>48507716
>Faction has SNIPE

>>48507872
It's not really a gimmick. It's highly functional and works against a large amount of lists even in the hands of capable players.

Ozzy lists in general that is. The Hyperion is merely okay with him.

>>48507897
I'm certain she has a sizeable collection.

>>48507976
you nu-males really need to reign in your fetishes

>>48507963
I just want to know what fuck at PP thought buffing gunlines while printing a feat that puts an extra 20+ dice of shooting damage on the table was a remotely good idea. I'll just Quicken my Nihilators and #YOLO at you. You need 9s to hit so enjoy combining those attacks and making me take a whole THREE tough checks, one of which I'll pass on average. Damn son you took out a whole two Nihilators. Get fucking cleaved son.

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>>48508087
good luck

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>>48508087
pew pew

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>>48508087
and one last image

>>48508087
Actually I won't #YOLO at your Invictors; I'll stay 11.5" away so you can't resort to melee and I can still reach you on the charge, and I pop Makeda1's feat so any infantry you kill will come back next turn. So you stand still for your aim bonus and mini feat, hit like 6 guys on average. The rest of the Nihilators cleave your white boipussy in two next turn.

>>48508232
Yes. You only have nihilators on the board. There is absolutely nothing else I could possibly maybe want to kill instead.
>oh look, you're holding back, to charge next turn.
> would be a shame if I took a step backward out of your charge range.

>>48508358
Okay so now you're RAT6 shooting at DEF15 and you need to blow your mini feat to reach me. Next turn 2 Nihilators tie up your entire unit while the rest get ready to pound your wife's ass raw you fucking cuck.

>OH FUCK I CAN'T SHOOT HIM OFF THE TABLE WHAT DO I DO NOW

Weapon Attachment question. If the base unit has assault, does the WA? For example, Assault Kommandos/Flame Thrower.

>>48508429
Please tell me how I just line up across the board. No one ever played split forces, contesting both zones. Or how cav is not a thing. Or how I couldn't advance to negate your charge, tie up your "super" unit, and play the game ignoring them for yet another round. Oh no, I lost a unit. How terrible. Pity I can't possibly score off this here other objective. And my battle group did nothing for another round.

>>48508580
This is Mk3. The objectives are just terrain and every game is assassination.

>>48508580
>Or how cav is not a thing.
>implying destors are a thing
Seems Ossyanaboo lost his mind

>>48504326

>Code for being hard core fucked by time ghosts wearing strap-ons.

>>48507887

Stop trying to cover up your mad desire for a shirtless Stryker model with nutzo abs and tiny bits of his fiery orange bush peeking out from his pants.

>>48508851
and an obvious hung bulge plz

>>48508851
Menoth hates fags.

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>>48508830
Haley beat her up in Apotheosis

>>48496986
>that butcher3 list is tame

To other WMH veterans, it might possibly be. It's still an incredibly strong list even to other veterans.

To WMH noobs that are literally just buying what they think looks cool? It's the fucking antichrist and they will NEVER win.

>>48509481

Don't mess with my homoerotic fantasies.

>>48508087
>I'll just Quicken my Nihilators and #YOLO at you. You need 9s to hit so enjoy combining those attacks and making me take a whole THREE tough checks
Yeah cause hitting DEF15 is a problem for gunlines.

>>48508232
Oh for fucks sake you dumb piece of shit. YOu know Ozzy has Deadeye, right?

>>48508536
Assault is a per-model rule.

>>48510347
So? There's plenty of that stuff to be made with or without JML restrictions. But without restrictions, factions like Trolls can at least build a semi-functional list.

>>48508232
>>48508429

>Retribution having problems removing buffed DEF 15 single wound model.

We are not playing the same game.

>>48505493
So Krayes field marshal but worse?

>>48515243
Well yeah but with a better spell list and on a small base.

>jakes probably has field marshal sprint
>So Krayes field marshal but worse?
To be fair, Sprint would be a much, much worse Field Marshal than Reposition[5] in Cygnar. Both our casters and our jacks are good at shoot-and-scoot, but not especially good at alpha striking.

Anons, anybody have a Mk3 card for Hutchuck? I want to proxy him in a list this weekend, and his card is not in the faction deck.

Was going to just print one off, until I realized its not in the PDF decks either. =(

>>48515534
He's in the Minion deck

New NQ 67

new.vk <dot> com / doc34805648_437754782?hash=6459541cede4bfe0bb&dl=bb2da8ec7bd3b534d1

>>48516324
I have a minion deck and he is not in it. Perhaps I should request a replacement.

Doesn't help me for this weekend though.

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This fuckin' guy.