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I want to play as a succubus who has rejected demonkind and sworn

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I want to play as a succubus who has rejected demonkind and sworn off wickedness in order to live a life as a paladin.

Can a succubus be a paladin?
How that guy will I be?
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>>48429732
But why?
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Incredibly. Even if a succubus wanted to be good, Paladin doesn't suit them. Too rigid and in your face, the main strength of a succubus is her ability to deceive, confuse, and control. A paladin is far to overt to make this work, but being into intrigue isn't necessarily bad.

I'd personally imagine a good-aligned Succubus/Incubus as somewhat like James Bond, minus the unneeded explosions.

But I'm not your GM, and Paladins do use charisma, so go nuts, don't let internet shitposters stop you.
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>>48429732
So a succubus so debauched that purity is the only thing that gets her off anymore and she has been kink shamed out of hell?

Given divine power by an unknown source while spending her time hamming up the chaste servant of good angle so she can strip out of her armor at the end of the day and schlick until daylight?

Good feels good and she won't even notice the alignment change as she has convinced herself that she can stop at anytime.

Will she just turn into a Good aligned outsider at a high enough level and enough good karma?
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>>48429904
I was thinking more of a legitimate paladin. A succubus who has to deny her nature and her need to drain humans of their energy so that she can be a true champion of good.
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>>48429732
There is a story about a succubutt getting trained by a paladin. Aeric Dalia I think. Oveer on 1d4chan
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>>48429732
Really really THAT GUY. Like the fact that you're even asking this is kind of magical-realmy
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>>48429732
In theory I would have no issues with it. Succubus hates draining lives, after draining a paladin she prays for death from his deity. She begs him to smite her. Diety decides to instead punish her by purifying her. And ordering her to take up the dead mans place as a paladin until her debt is paid. Depends how your DM does things.

>Senior paladin of the order
>A new initiate arrives wearing a hood, orders the hood to be removed
>Screams of succubus, and, kill it echoes through the monastery.
>The senior paladin raises his mace. Which explodes. And a divine voice roars out.
>"TREAT ALL MY INITIATES WELL. OR FACE MY WRATH..."
>queue a training montage which shows racism. Grudging acceptance and finally friendship, until a shunned, or jealous one tries to ruin things. But the main character prevails.

.
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>>48429732
There was a Succubus Paladin in one of WotC's "Original Adventures" series. I can't remember the title off the top of my head, but I think it's either "The Silver Skeleton" or a variation on the same.
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>>48429732
>How that guy will I be?
People will think you're that guy just for playing a paladin
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I remember the last time I pulled something like this on players in a campaign. It involved an insane priest using holy water waterboarding on the succubus and various other shit. Essentially it was an attempted reformation camp.

It had several success stories who were unstable sociopaths devoted to destroying other demonkind.

It was not a pretty place.
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Try having some lore precedent first unless you want your character to become a hot topic among the divine
I dont think evil god would just let a succubus be a paladin, letting it happen could lead to further converts and a loss of face
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>>48429732
Why? Why not just play as a whore who rejected her ways and became a paladin?
Is it necessary for you to have literally godlike seducion and the ability to steal souls for your character to work?

That's the biggest issue I have with the redeemed succubus as a character, it seems like a munchkin excuse to have something scale off your absurd charisma.
It's like saying, "I just can't play a fighter unless I start the game with my full plate armor and bastard sword that has been passed down for generations..."
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>>48429732
Why a succubus?

Why not a pit fiend? Or at least why not go maximum fetish and have it be a redeemed Drakhania instead
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>>48430332
I had a game where all my players played wizards, and sorcerers. And a single cleric. They sold most their starting gear after the first few runs to buy the cleric full plate and turned the knee breaking dwarf into a knee breaking dwarf covered in "fuck goblins and their rolls. And also the pathetic boss monster" armor once they realized I would send archers to ignore him, the squishiest decided to become a shield mage or something like that and just kept defense buffs up at all times in the other ones.
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>>48429784
>unneeded explosions
I don't follow. The what now?
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>>48430332
>Why not just play as a whore who rejected her ways and became a paladin?
I actually like this idea better than succubi becoming paladin. The whole redeemed succubus schtick mostly feels like "I want to get my dick wet with the sex demon but I don't want to feel cognitive dissonance so I will make the being of pure evil good".

A human whore changing her ways feels a lot more... well, human. It's something I could actually see happen and gives the character an interesting backstory. A succubus is a succubus because she's born a succubus. A woman becomes a whore for a variety of reasons, from poverty to boredom to opportunism to it simply being the best way to advance politically. A former courtesan turned paladin with crazy high charisma would be neat.
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>>48430456
He means that you should use your explosions sparingly. Exploding a bird now when you could explode an entire army 2 hours from now is an unneeded explosion, and a wasted explosion too.
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>>48429732
Why a succubus, he could easily play a hellbred which gets the same cha bonus and also makes sense to be good AND can wield unholy weapons with no side effects..AND preferred class is paladin chaching.

Or, I believe half giant, with primordial giant template? Been a while but I remember it having +4 int and cha I think? It was pretty fun
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>>48430161
Found it:
http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/oa/20061017a
Legend of the Silver Skeleton so pretty close.
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>>48429904
This would be a pretty funny way to play it.
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>>48430507
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>>48429732
Because of succubi being pretty strong inherently, I don't like that idea for a PC. IF you take it at face value.

Now, if you say that some Good-aligned deity or deities transformed her into a mostly ordinary human to give her a chance to redeem herself through paladinhood, then I'd probably go with it.
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>>48429732
If she stops draining men, won't she die of starvation?
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>>48430942
Thats the point. She didnt stop. Its magical realm thing.
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>>48429732
no. you can be a teifling.
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>>48430507
So you're saying...use bombs wisely?

Thanks Peppy!
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>>48429732
given that every skill that a succubus has (seduction, manipulation, etc) would be disallowed on account of her being a paladin, the result would be pretty entertaining

bonus points if she smites other succubi
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follow your dreams OP and do it, I would allow it if you gave me a good back story for it.
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>>48429732

As long as you actually keep it on the downlow like a succubus should, and the party thinks you're human, it shouldn't be a problem.

Talk to your GM, and make sure that you'll have a few sessions before any species-related complications start showing up. Give you some time to get your character appreciated on their own merits.

You're only That Guy when you start detracting from your group's fun. And that includes the GM so, again, talk with THEM about this, not /tg/.
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>>48430437
Because succubi are pretty, and pretty=good.
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>>48429732
There's a 9th level spell in 3.5e DnD that forces an alignment change to good, as well as the helm of opposite alignment.

It'd be a wonderful character, honestly. Were you forced into this? In your heart of hearts, are you still a demon? Is the "you" that became a paladin a real person, or the construction of a mage's ideals? More than one good hero has been written with these sorts of ideas. Even if she chose good of her own accord, there's still a lot of room to work with.

>I dreamt I tore all the skin off my face and was someone else underneath.
>You have problems.
>I’m aware of that.
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>>48430332
>>48430474

Why does a whore necessarily have to "change her ways" to become a Paladin?

I don't know about you guys but in pretty much every sword and spells type of game where wine and wenches appear, it's as a backdrop that no one I know has ever really played up the fact of prostitution being illegal in most of the places characters choose to dump gold. Especially in such a province where it might be regulated and treated like any other profession, exactly what about whoring diverts from Paladin ideals anymore than accounting, baking, cartography, driving, editing, etc? It's a customer service profession that requires high amounts of empathy and etiquette among the high-end clientele and providers, and so long as she pays her taxes I'm not seeing anything about it that prevents someone from being both Lawful and Good.

What do you see about it?
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>>48429783
Because he is a magical realm enabler.
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>>48437398
>Why does a whore necessarily have to "change her ways" to become a Paladin?
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>>48429732
>Can a succubus be a paladin?
Anything can be a paladin as long as she finds a patron god willing to take her.

I think every pantheon needs at least one god who is okay with this idea.
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>>48437446
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution

>tfw history is magical realm
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>>48437607
Examples abound throughout history and into the current day of legal prostitution in perfectly functional societies, so yeah I'm not seeing the "magical realm" bit here. Is it just because any mention of sex existing at all besides "I blow 500g on wine and wenches" is a slippery slope into edgeville? I can get that, and if ex-whore Paladin constantly brings up details of their whoring past I can see it becoming annoying. Exactly as annoying as it is every time anyone else in any other retail or service job brings up the details of their working day. Imagine how much you'd want to beat him with a stick if your party fighter was an autist who just yammered on for hours about the intricacies of his time spent as a dirt farmer or shit miner.

As with any game, bad gaming is worse than no gaming so if the ex-Whore character's player is verbally diarrhetic then shut that shit down or remove it.
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>>48437759
What I'm getting at here is that "ex-whore paladin" in a society where whoring is legal is no more or less interesting than "ex-stonemason," or "ex-scribe," or whatever else. It can be a source of background plot exposition, or it can be irrelevant, depending on the player and the setting, because there is no inherent morality to it that isn't inherent in a barkeep, a chocolatier, a gambler or gaming hall proprietor, or really any other commercial enterprise that feeds vices.

Being a succubus, on the other hand, has a guaranteed backstory conflict of some kind that can be explored if the GM wants or ignored; and, either way, as with the inclusion of any evil or presumably-evil character there arises immediate material for interacting with the world in ways other than killing or fucking.
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>>48435726
Shouldn't a succubi be a really hideous thing covered in a magical illusion of beauty?
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>>48430094
Why would a Succubus hate doing what is explicitly part of her biology ,nature and her ungodly purpose for existance?
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>>48438645
That would make sense, but sense isn't as nice to look at is cute chicks with horns and wings.
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>>48438645
Depend of the setting.

>>48438720
It's as stupid as having creatures that are pathologically evil.
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>>48438591
Now I want my next D&D 5E character to be a bard that was a Chocolatier who wanted to travel the world and sample the chocolates of far off lands so that one day he could become the best Chocolatier in the land.

All of his buffs and debuffs would be flavored as him throwing various types of chocolates into the target's mouth.
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>>48438818
It's not stupid to have creatures like that if there are realms that constitute the negative energy in the world and loop back into it. Being fed by and then feeding back bad juju in the form of bad luck, monsters, and rotten attitudes in the hearts of men.
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>>48438955
In other words it all depend on the setting.
In a setting like the one you described, would such creatures considered sentient since they only obey their nature and nothing else?
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>>48439111
In a setting like the one we live in, would we be considered sentient since we only obey our biological chemistry?
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>>48439111
>a-depends-on-setting-fag

God, these little shits are annoying.

Shoo. People are trying to discuss things.
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>>48439279
Animals only obey their needs and follow their instinct of survival. Humans... are more complicated than that.

>>48439391
To stay on topic, are you implying that you've met a succubi IRL?
Also
>trying to discuss thing
>tell people to go away without actually discussing anything
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>>48438591
Eh, the issue with the "guaranteed backstory" is that higher powers are immediately brought into play.
While this can be a great plot hook, I don't think a game should ever begin with "So the forces of Hell and Heaven are against you." unless every player is (or was) as powerful as the succubus, it's too much of a spotlight for one player to take up.

That's why I like the prostitute idea, you get the same character archetype but much less in your face.
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>>48439622
True enough. Really play up that high Charisma and those ranks in Diplomacy and Knowledge (nobility) to know who's sleeping with who and wouldn't you rather it be sleeping with me? Also, please donate to charity!
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>>48429732
I'm sure it's possible to pull off convincingly, maybe not even that difficult.

My issue is, why in the world would you want to play this concept except for "That Guy" reasons.
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>>48439805
Redemption story?
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>>48439622
Continuing off of this, another thing to remember is succubus in game.
Succubi are demons and have literal magic seduction.
The entire campaign would just be the succubus subduing threats because even animals would have a hard time challenging her rolls.
Of course you could nerf it into oblivion, but at that point, why even play a succubus?
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>>48440023
True but why not play something like a demon or fury, you know, things that aren't return fuel
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>>48440080
A succubus is a demon?

>>48440044
This same statement can apply to any magic user to be honest, and especially bards ever since 3.0
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>>48429904
OP, you should do this. Maybe the only way to salvage this character idea and stop you from becoming That Guy
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>>48430507
>It Ain't Me plays is the distance
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>>48440044
Succubus is literally starving herself, can't do magic juju.

Done. All she can do is rely on own charm and abilities given by her new God or whatever.
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Build a Paladin Oath of Love. Charisma- based specials focused on Persuasion and Charm effects.
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>>48429732
>ctrl + f "magical realm"
>five results

Just fuck off OP.
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>>48440468
I don't know if you are the same guy that said the same thing in another thread, but...
The song's name is "Fortunate Son".
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>>48429732
Yes, if you're a standard paladin that means you're LG which will mean you'll be hit by spells/abilities that hit things of lawful, good, chaotic, and evil alignment
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>>48429732
Succubus isn't a player race, and being able to play a paladin is based on an extraordinarily rare combination of good rolls for attributes.

You cannot choose to be either one.

And you should get kicked out of your group for wanting to bring your character to the table, rather than making a character with your group.
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>>48444747
leeewl wat a newfag
go crawl back from whence you came old man
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>>48446762
he's right though, you want to be an edgy "everyone thinks I'm evil just because I'm a demon" pally? teiflings are core in 5e. Go wild.

you want to be a turboslut version of the above? be a female spacegoat. or just be a fucking elf chick.
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>>48429904
Why is this so interesting a character.

Also that /tg/ story about a paladin redeeming a succubus.
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>>48437398
Libertarian robot, your time is not now just yet.
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>>48429732
Wizards of the Coast actually had a Redeemed Succubus Paladin character who's husband was an Angel in 3.5e. Not even joking this time.
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>>48430437
>Or at least why not go maximum fetish and have it be a redeemed Drakhania instead
I remember that being brought up on /tg/ before, but as an idea for an NPC. She'd still a horrifying abomination that spawns monsters and fucks up life around her, but wants to use her powers for good, and doesn't really get why the peasants are freaked out after she births a legion of hideous mutants to protect the village from goblins.
Bonus points if she also has an unrequited crush on a party member and goes all "ara ara" on them, and ends up following the PCs around, accidentally causing trouble the PCs must fix.
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>>48429904

That's pretty much the end conclusion. When an evil outsider ceases being evil and turns good, they usually change into an appropriate good outsider, particularly given the links between the angelic/demonic hierarchy. There wouldn't really be any 'paladin' mechanics involved, as succubus are already pretty powerful in level equivalence. The process of acting as a paladin would be just that, acting. Using their drain ability only on evil beings as a 'smite' attack and so on. Trying to use what awful powers that infuse them in the most positive ways they can muster.

The reason? Succubus are used to rending souls and corrupting things. Watching people's alignments and good nature get ground into dust and wither away is second nature to them, it sustains them. Being on the receiving end of a harsh smiting shows how it feels on the other side, and certainly it must be a rush of its own. From there, it's curiosity, doing things like deliberately sneaking through sanctified locations or drinking holy water, things that sting and attack directly the evil at the core of their being. And each time they do so, it exposes them to moments of non-evil thoughts that combined with their drive for sensation pushes them further and further to good actions. At some point the holy self-flagellation thing leads them to commit a genuinely good act, which comes with its own complicated emotions which are totally alien. A sense of happiness and pride in yourself. It's such a positive emotion that combines with the widening weakness of their core evil being, which can be the drive to see if they can break the nature of their existance. Maybe they'll simply cease to be. Maybe they'll become angelic. Or turn mortal? They don't know, and that is part of the process. What was once natural or what they called home no longer is so, and it's all a process of discovery to find out where they will become comfortable with themselves.
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>>48447994
link it
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>>48429732

The only scenario I can think of that might even be slightly feasible is that your Succubus was abandoned as a baby, taken in by a kindly priest and raised up in the church community to continually reinforce goodness and virtue. As a result, she's constantly denying her darker impulses and striving to do good in return for the goodness shown to her as a child.

A female Hellboy, basically.
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>>48448090
Elidecia, the Succubus Paladin.

http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fc/20050824a

Man, I love the 3.5e archives. All these neat little bonuses and treasures.
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>>48429732
Kinda. It depends how you play it out, but a succubus by mere force of will could perhaps be a better person. She'd still have much of her basic nature however, and it wouldn't make sense if it didn't play a role. A demon going paladin requires a massive change in nature, perhaps your succubus tried absorbing the soul of a powerful paladin or minor divine being and the result was too hot to handle and changed her utterly. But even then you'd want to play up the unfamiliarity and conflict of having that goodness growing within a demon.

This first stage of turning good from absolute evil is achieving a mortal perspective.
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>>48429732
Hmm... Does a paladin oath require that your heart is actually in it? I could see a demon cursed to follow the path and tenets of a paladins oath against their will. Could be fun.
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>>48429732

It can be done, and it doesn't necessarily have to be That Guy. I will say, however, that it takes a lot of consideration for the character in question, as they are operating against established norms in pretty major ways. Ergo, it's absolutely something you need the GM and the other players to be okay with.

Other than that, assuming the setting allows for demons to be more than just balls of evil, you need a reason for redemption and a means to pursue it, outlining a struggle that gives credence to your desire to play this specific character as opposed to just "an evil human who wants to be less evil".

Then again, it depends on the DM. It depends on the setting. It depends on the other players. It depends on everything as to how you tackle this properly. Maybe a serious introspective into the nature of sin will be the selling point, maybe it'll be humor (ala >>48429904). The only concrete rules you have to remember is that your character should be fun for everyone and that no means no if your ship doesn't sail.

In any case, the answer to "Can I make a not shitty succubus character who's trying to be a paladin?" sure. Will you? Hell if I know.
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>>48443740
>mfw there is always someone
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>>48429732

Guess, I'll give an example of one of my characters I had in a campaign a ways back. Her name was Lily and she was a paladin of freedom. However, she was clearly not always a bastion of good.

She began life in the bowels of the Abyss where life was filled with nothing but back stabbing and paranoia fueled survival. She learned to live it and to love it by the time she was weaned, and had nothing else gone awry, that probably would have been the end of it.

However, one day she was summoned by a young man training to be a magician in a far away land, a desperately lonely soul who only wanted a friend, someone to confide in. And after Lily played the part of the faithful ear, he decided to keep her name and continue to summon her throughout the years.

Now, the life of a succubus summon isn't easy. It's nothing but sex, backstabbing, betrayal, and pain. And as the years wore on, Lucy found herself more and more content to have that one place where she could just, well, talk about her problems and his while knowing no one was going to try to kill her.

He'd do research for her sometimes, and she'd do the same for him in return. Flattery and flirtation begat affection and soon the man went looking for a way to make her stay on the plane more permanent.

He succeeded, but was eventually killed for his contract with the succubus, resulting in a hellish existence where she was used by a series of rulers as a play thing. When another soul finally freed her from that hell and showed her kindness, she vowed to start a new life, breaking the chains of others.
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>>48430474
While I think the whole redeemed succubus thing is just a fantasy to get our dicks wet, I'll play devil's advocate. Perhaps these people want to go about showing how nothing is irredeemably evil, or some other jazz that I'm not eloquent enough to express in words. Deep philosophical jazz.

That would be giving a huge benefit of the doubt I think, but hey, wouldn't hurt to let them try would it?
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>>48448626

There was also the cadre of lawful evil succubi, who had been taken into the possession of an old wizard who just wanted maids that knew something about personal hygiene and didn't stink of brimstone. He imposed on them a series of laws so strict and winding that they basically became lawful over the decades just to find loopholes in the damn contract and the rigor of their routines wore off on them.
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>>48448626

tl;dr She got tired of being used by everyone, enough to where she was willing to take out slavers so no one else had to deal with them. She wanted a world where everyone could at least make their own choices.
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>>48448637
>Perhaps these people want to go about showing how nothing is irredeemably evil, or some other jazz that I'm not eloquent enough to express in words. Deep philosophical jazz.
Pit fiends never get redeemed though. It's a thoroughly male instinct that leads to redeemed succubi: captain-save-a-ho syndrome.

http://nl.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Captain%20Save%20a%20ho

Long story short: this idea that a woman who is hot but a horrible person can somehow be "saved" from the life that she either chose herself or is inherrent to her nature.

That said, redeemed pit fiends, balor and imps would be pretty awesome. Or we could go for the Nipponese "the demons were good guys all along" route.
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>>48449346
Isn't the exact same idea quite common among women? The whole "I can change him" idea, where a woman falls in love with a bad guy and hopes to change him for the better.
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>>48449558

Yes, but
>/tg/
>women

Pick one.
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>>48429732
Sure, go for it.

You're going to have a damn hard time getting payable succubus stats though, let alone succubus stats that actually resemble the succubus monster in any way, and let alone succubus stats that don't make you a shit Paladin.
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>>48429904
>could make an interesting character with a Succubus trying to deny her nature and genuinely do good in the world
>nah lol, let's make her get off by being pure, haha so random and lewd
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>>48449639
there are femanons in the terrible players thread
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>>48443740
>He doesn't know about the "It Ain't Me" meme
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>>48449558
>>48449346
Well it only works if the person who does the saving can get wet from looking at the person they're gonna save. That's why I noted it would be a huge benefit of the doubt.

For this whole redeem the villain idea to ACTUALLY WORK, it needs to be applied universally. Your ugly ass bearded and bone devils get a shot, just as much as the succubus. Of course, who the hell wants to play a redeemed bone devil, or worse a lemure, no matter how awesome the idea and practice actually is.
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>>48429904
>Good feels good and she won't even notice the alignment change as she has convinced herself that she can stop at anytime.

Good doesn't feel good to evil outsiders, it feels like an uncomfortable burning sensation in the same way throwing holy water on an undead doesn't feel like a "warm, refreshing bath."

This sounds like a rendition of that Succubus Goddess in a very, very bad way. Taking a character and flipping them to their polar opposite because "lol she felt like it" is an incredibly dumb way to go about this.
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>>48450293
>Well it only works if the person who does the saving can get wet from looking at the person they're gonna save. That's why I noted it would be a huge benefit of the doubt.

The second most popular non-human partner for women, after vampires, is the werewolf, a creature known for little more than being a hideous furred killing machine (and yes, I'm talking about them lusting after the werewolf in wolf form, knotted dick and all.)

The problem isn't the Pit Fiend having a hideous form, the problem is the Pit Fiend is simply that, a physical manifestation of evil and sin. Women don't want that, they want the gentle man trapped behind those burning yellow eyes who is cursed to take that form. They want an opportunity to be the beauty to their beast, and just like in that story find a way to turn him back into the handsome prince she knew he was.

Trashy romance stories tend to follow a very basic pattern, and it typically involves the woman becoming the object of the man's desire; whether that's a vampire lusting after the neck of a countess, the werewolf seeing her as a prime alpha bitch or the demon yearning to use her as his dark queen in some nefarious infernal political plot, the story is less on "fixing" and more on "being his", but in the process change him for the better just as she changes for him.
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>>48450305
It seems like it could work for a light hearted game. A demon being reverse corrupted because they start doing good things to break taboos and get addicted to being good (pretty much the opposite of people falling to evil) is a pretty funny idea.
And as long as she doesn't eat souls (or people) and convert them to assfat, that isn't nearly as bad as said succubus goddess.
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>>48439391
>ugh why don't you just recognize ky headcanon as the truth, reeeeeeeeeeeee
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>>48429732
Firstly y'all need a god. Preferring a god of mercy, beauty, silly justice, or irony. The succubus gets an ass whooping in the name of the lord.
The lord take her prisoner and removes her ability to feed, also she gets the choice to follow her new god and be infused with magical energy from serving the lord, or she starves to death without magic juice.
She might still be slutty if the god allows, but no longer get the soul sucking high. If her addiction was to energy rather than the "acts" of getting the energy, she might become zealous as sin.
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Question.

Why are people more willing to play or seduce a succubus than a human whore? Why is "hooker with a heart of gold" such a hush-hush thing to discuss?
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>>48450778
Succubi are better fuel for magical realm. Whores are boring. Refer to that one oglaf comic: "I need a convoluted narrative to really get off".
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>>48450778
Whores are too normal and the big fat fucking faggots that shit up /tg/ feel the need to redeem succubi with their malformed little cocks because MUH REVERSAL OF EXPECTATIONS, MUH DECONSTRUCTION and MUH POSTMODERNISM.
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>>48450825
>>48450801

You're forgetting it also gets them butthurt to see a girl that sucked a hundred dicks "get away with it" and end up happy and married in a loving relationship, or play the girl as someone respectable and competent.

Succubi get a free pass on this because they're immortal with slut built into their very being. The shape shifting thing means them getting huge dicks shoved into them can be "reversed" too.
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>>48429732
This is like a combination of all the stereotypically bad ideas so stereotypical and bad nobody even regards them anymore.
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>>48450857
>caring about how many dicks your girl has taken provided she's still tight, disease-free, not pregnant with another man's child and is emotionally and physically exclusive to you
>especially when she was doing it for money instead of fun and probably didn't enjoy most of those dicks very much
Literally /r9k/.
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>>48450778
NARPfags are the ones that start and overwhelmingly post in these threads.
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>>48448079
Masochistic succubus FTW.
Succubus Paladin is in constant pain from the divinity, and loving every minute.
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>>48450936
>Masochistic succubus

http://i.imgur.com/aq5InrD.jpg
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>>48450906

To be fair, whore can also mean she just takes dicks for fun (which if she's being compared to a succubus, she's doing) and it's not like many prostitutes who make a living out of it singularly despise prostitution.

That said, I'd argue the reason /r9k/ has such a disgusting view on sexually experienced women is because they themselves are sexually inexperienced. This doesn't just mean they're worried about not holding up compared to previous partners, but also they're simply enraged at the fact they lost out on their chances at young, virginal love in high school/college, so like a broken record they keep skipping to "maybe I'll get to pop a cherry and get that cute romance" even when they're 25.

It's ridiculous, there's absolutely truth in preferring the modest girl over the experienced one, but experience should not be a death sentence for any sort of committed relationship, especially if she's shown maturity and grace towards being exclusive.
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>>48451108
Hey, miracles happen. I got to fuck a 21 years old virgin back when I was 24.

I'll be honest with you, compared to the more experienced women I've been with before that she was a pretty lousy experience.
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>>48451137
Well yeah, having no experience with something generally mean you're shit at it. This should not be a surprised to the pen and paper RPG board.
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>>48451137
>21
She lied to you, you idiot. No girl is a virgin by 21.
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>>48451108

Let's shift this into a fantasy discussion.

What if the girl has a long, colorful history of monster-fucking? Now, I don't just mean things like Tieflings and Orcs, I mean straight up werewolves, centaurs, minotaurs and sufficiently sized dragons.

Would that be a deal-breaker towards any future relationship, if you discovered your girl had a thing for horse-dick or the knot back when she was younger?
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>>48451152
The pathetic majority of this board has no experience actually playing RPGs, and instead spends time "theorycrafting" and having mindnumbingly stupid and fake threads about "magical realm", "that guy", and "storytime".
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>>48451173
>all women are sluts
Fuck your dumb bullshit. American whores may spread their legs at 14 but most places in the world have a bit more dignity about sex and chastity.
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>>48451181
If, in real life, I found out a potential partner had a thing for driving to farms and using them as brothels...I'd take their phone out of their bag and delete my number.

The same is true-ish in fantasy settings; if she's fucking minotaurs and dragons..no.
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>>48451181
>let's shift this into my magical realm
Fuck off.
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>>48451200
>The same is true-ish in fantasy settings; if she's fucking minotaurs and dragons..no.

Wouldn't that be a little hypocritical considering the types of exclusively female monster races out there you could have probably banged throughout your adventures? A minotaur sounds gross, but to her a dryad might too.

>>48451204

Hey man, I'm just trying to keep the topic vaguely /tg/ related, if this isn't something you think deserves a discussion than you're fine with ignoring it (and I am too, this isn't something I'm really invested in.)
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>>48450256
>He doesn't know about the "It's actually Fortunate Son" meme
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>>48451226
>implying I'm a degenerate who will fuck anything with a vagina
>implying you don't need to fuck off
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> Not playing a reformed grifter glabrezu who's trying to make a change
> Not playing a no-nonsense nalfeshnee in a CBS-style courtroom drama
> Not playing a romantic quasit who just wants to prove to Samantha that he's the coolest guy on campus, and that Alaraq'qorox is just after her for her father's money
> Not playing a vrock that brings joy to a tiny town that's banned dancing
> Not playing a hezrou who's summoned by a racially diverse group of teens who use his powers to clean up the environment
> Not playing a crusty but benign single mother marilith who works as the executive manager of an inn in a small town in Connecticut with her young daughter

You pieces of unimaginative trash.
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>>48451226
>Wouldn't that be a little hypocritical considering the types of exclusively female monster races out there you could have probably banged throughout your adventures?

Who told you I was gonna do that shit? Elves and werewolves that aren't in their other form are one thing. However, taking the knot - at least willingly - is unacceptable. Think of the community in which you are raising your children. If one person did it, and made it seem normal, things would spiral out of control. Do you want to invite succubi?
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>>48451337
>Do you want to invite succubi?
As long as they're paladins I don't see a problem.
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>>48429732
>100+ posts in a thread about succubi that rejected wickedness
> Not one mention of Fall-From-Grace

For shame, /tg/.

For those too young to be in the know, Fall-From-Grace is from a Planescape DnD setting RPG called Planescape:Torment, as one of the potentially recruitable party members later in the game.

While not a paladin per-say, Grace is a Chaotic Evil being that has taken on a Lawful Neutral alignment, leaning more towards good than evil in her actions. Her class is Cleric and she has divine magic, but she worships no god in specific, but rather a philosophy.

Grace's shift in alignment is explained as a result of her being sold into slavery to the Bataazu, Lawful Evil devils and the enemy of demons of the abyss like her. After untold centuries of torture at the hands of her enemy, she no longer derives any pleasure in the act of causing suffering to others herself. She used her intelligence and charisma to learn the laws of the Bataazu and exploit their own legal system in order to win her freedom, an act that only succeeded because the Bataazu assumed it was a task that her chaotic race could simply never accomplish.

When you meet her in the game, she runs an establishment known as the Brother of Slaking Intellectual Lusts. Basically, you pay money to sit down with pretty women and have intellectually or emotionally stimulating conversations. This is not a euphamism. The goal is to promote empathy and personal growth in both the girls and the clients, a task that Grace takes personally because without such growth beyond her nature she never would have won her freedom from the Bataazu.

Naturally, most people that meet Grace presume she is just playing some kind of long con, rather than actually being a non-evil fiend.
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>>48451586
>Fall-From-Grace
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>>48438818
Succubus needing to drain people's life essence is not remotely comparable to evil-only races. Do you also complain that all humans need to eat, drink, and breathe oxygen?

If you want to be a speshul snowflake and have your succubus only drain essence with the consent of her monogamous husband/wife, then sure, but if you take away the succubus' need to drain life then she's not a succubus anymore. That's just some generic devil who you are further whitewashing into a plain human with horns and a tail.
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>>48452012

Succubi don't need to suck peoples' souls out their cocks. That's just what they do to kill people. I don't know where this meme about succubi needing to eat souls came from. They're demons. They don't need to eat; they just like causing pain and suffering, and making more of their kind.

Same thing applies to vampires, btw. Vampires drink blood because it keeps them young, not because it feeds them.
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>>48438818
>It's as stupid as having creatures that are pathologically evil.
In a subjective world yes, but most fantasy settings are noticeably objective

>>48440080
>True but why not play something like a demon
I know /tg/ likes to harp on it, but I honestly do like the idea of a redeemed demon, shows nothing is beyond redemption if they honestly try

>>48448079
>they usually change into an appropriate good outsider, particularly given the links between the angelic/demonic hierarchy
I would like a source on this, I know of no rule book where this is the case and there are both canonically good demons/devils and rules for how to handle ones with atypical alignments

>>48449346
>Pit fiends never get redeemed though.
Lies, Bob, the "Honestly not a Balor" carrot farmer says otherwise

>>48450778
>Why is "hooker with a heart of gold" such a hush-hush thing to discuss?
That sorta seems like the standard case now, like I assume most hookers in fiction are probably at worst decent people in a bad situation, at best just someone with what's normally considered a "bad" job

>>48450825
>>48450857
This sounds like you're projecting a bit honestly

>>48452914
For the former it's just people building off previous examples and adding their own explanations for succubi behavior, for the later unless you're talking about a very specific type of vampire you need a better example, there are tons of vampire myths
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Alright I'm curious now. Is the shitposting about this topic still derived from Lilium and are people REALLY still mad about that? What point is there in getting mad about shit like this?
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>>48452914
Originally, succubi were a way to explain nocturnal erection in ye olde time, they were feeding on semen and nothing else.
Religion warped them into demons who would suck your soul through your dick.

As for the vampire part, it may have to do with Elizabeth Bathory.
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>>48453096
/tg/ is suffering from it's reputation as a nice board and is getting slowly invaded by crossboarders, newfags and tumblr for a while now.
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>>48453096
The redeemed succubus idea is a LOT older than Lilium is, and no I don't think asking about it is shitposting, I think some people honestly think the idea is neat

And in the case it IS shitposting, given it's not being spammed across multiple threads, the behavior behind is less the OP is mad than the OP thinks it will make others mad and he finds that idea funny

Also what >>48453173 said, though this would be baby's first shitpost if it was


Honestly I'd put you as more likely to be a shitposter than OP is
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>>48453080

I think that trying to explain away demonic activity cheapens it.

And I think from a psychoanalytic standpoint it's interesting how people always try to explain away the behavior of succubi and vampires, instead of balors, pit fiends, nalfeshnees and vrocks. No one tries to justify a wight tearing someone's soul out of their body as a biological imperative; why do they do it with the sexy monsters?
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>>48453184
I'm more of a lurker who waits for Worm threads to pop up.
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>>48453207
>I think that trying to explain away demonic activity cheapens it.
It's human nature to look for explanations, and in a most settings you do need some sort of explanation, so the DM can think about what a demon would do in a situation if nothing else

>No one tries to justify a wight tearing someone's soul out of their body as a biological imperative
>Wight tear out soul
>Souless husk becomes another wight
Seems pretty straight forward to me honestly, the need to reproduce is pretty common in most life forms

Though I got this sorta head cannon that an undead ecology would work (though would be flat out hostile to positive energy based life) and most "Lesser" undead are the negative energy equivalent of very biochemically simple lifeforms/viruses infesting positive energy based life

On the subject of balors, pit fiends, nalfeshnees and vrocks, honestly I'd use similar explanations to what I'd use for succubi, only they have less "clean" ways of harvesting souls and spend less time around mortals (and there for less of a chance to go native)
The latter bit is actually why I find it more believable for a succubi to turn good honestly, they're the ones that get sent out to infiltrate the mortal realm, I'd give a vrock that some how became a deep undercover specialist out in the material plan for decades at a time the same chances of going good as the average succubi
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>>48451271
>You actually believe that he was responding to my meme with a meme
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>>48453361
> It's human nature to look for explanations, and in a most settings you do need some sort of explanation, so the DM can think about what a demon would do in a situation if nothing else

The only explanation you need is, "it's a demon that's literally made out of evil. It causes pain because it likes to cause pain." Anyone who tries to look for a scientific explanation of the way demons (or, indeed, any fantasy creatures) work is a weenie.

Besides, what is more compelling? A creature that's fulfilling a biological imperative, and is metaphysically no different than a hungry animal, or a creature that wants to spread hate and evil because it's made of hate and evil?

>Seems pretty straight forward to me honestly, the need to reproduce is pretty common in most life forms

It's not a life form. It's undead. It by definition doesn't need to reproduce. It lives forever unless it's destroyed. A wight creates spawn because -- yep, you guessed it -- it's an evil creature that wants to spread chaos and pain.

> On the subject of balors, pit fiends, nalfeshnees and vrocks, honestly I'd use similar explanations to what I'd use for succubi, only they have less "clean" ways of harvesting souls and spend less time around mortals (and there for less of a chance to go native)

They don't harvest souls. None of them do. They just kill people. Succubi don't even harvest souls -- they just corrupt people to evil and then kill them. Functionally, a succubus isn't different from a vrock or a nalfeshnee as it relates to you dying a horrible death; it just comes in a prettier package, and is more likely to get you to damn yourself before you die said horrible death.
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>>48453506
>The only explanation you need is, "it's a demon that's literally made out of evil. It causes pain because it likes to cause pain." ...
Ah, I think we were arguing a difference of degrees here, I was saying being able to understand it's motivations/thought processes were necessary, at a high level at least, for a good DM and was thinking you were saying "No explanations, just evil deus ex machina", sorry about that

Beyond that I think any sort of "scientific" explanations for demons should be seen through the lens of the setting's myths and lore

>Besides, what is more compelling? A creature that's fulfilling a biological imperative, and is metaphysically no different than a hungry animal, or a creature that wants to spread hate and evil because it's made of hate and evil?
The way I tend to view D&D demons makes me think these are one and the same though

>It's not a life form. It's undead. ...
Eh, like I said, I got this while idea about a negative energy ecology and how positive energy is antithetical to it, positive energy is only "good" because it rose to supremacy.
Though I dislike negative energy=evil, preferring negative energy=dangerous

>They don't harvest souls. None of them do....
Demons want people to damn themselves, all of them do, it means they can cause pain and suffering to said damned soul for the rest of eternity, I also assume they have some way to forcefully take the souls they kill personally, hence the "messy" harvesting, while succubi can suck it straight out when they fully drain you (admittedly that's just how I'm interpreting their level drain), if you damn yourself before they drain you that just ensures finishing the job isn't a high priority
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>>48444747
>Rolling characters
>Not gettin to choose what to play
Go back into the dark hole you crawled out of.
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>>48437444
Why is whenever anyone wants to do something different there's always some assholes who's first thought is magical realm, I've been playing /tg/ games for years and I'm half convinced the magical realm boogiemen are entirely made up
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>>48451608
>Hating on PS:T
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>>48451108
I personally never saw the allure of sexual inexperience or purity in a sexual partner. I get it's a huge deal in the major world religions, but especially on the Internet and on 4chan in particular where half or more of the people expressing opinions about it are also loud about how stupid religion is in general. But if you remove that element, then what you get down to is a question of whether you'd rather have an experienced or inexperienced [blank]. Pick anything besides sex, and people value experience and the skill that comes with it. Accountant? Banker? Carpenter? Doctor? Electrician? Pick anything a person does, and folks prefer experience and skill. Sex ought not be any different.
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First off, depends on the setting. Most will laugh you out for being a moron who thinks a being made of literal evil can be good.

Second, if you are even interested in doing this in the first place it means you aren't mature enough to handle a character like that.

Thirdly, if you're worried about being That Guy with this char, it means you know damn well why you are doing it and you aren't skilled enough to pull it off anyway.

So go away, fuck off back /d/ and take your summer brothers with you.
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>>48460479
>Second, if you are even interested in doing this in the first place it means you aren't mature enough to handle a character like that.
This line here makes me think he's not the one being immature
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>>48460541
>come on guys, be mature and let me play my fetish! We're all adults right?

No, fuck off. I don't play a stern paladin into spanking and tying up bad girls and dicking them into being good, you don't play a succubus. Leave your baggage at the door, we're here to play heroes fighting monsters. Or if it's an evil campaign, we're here to play monsters fighting heroes.
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>>48460696
>I don't play a stern paladin into spanking and tying up bad girls and dicking them into being good, you don't play a succubus.
A succubus that is described fucking people would be equivalent to your example, just a succubus is not
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>>48460696
That you had to add several qualifiers to that paladin speaks more of your inability to imagine other archetypes than it does how poorly a succubus would function as a character
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>>48460761
Really? The fact that I used a fetish character and EXPLICITLY rejected that as an acceptable character means that's the only thing I can think of?

Good god, you are dumb.
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>>48460919
No

The fact that you can only conceive of a succubus as a sexy character really tells me how bland your imagination is
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>>48460981
Are you aware of what a succubus is?

It would be like saying "a vampire doesn't have to drink blood, be hurt by sunlight, be undead, etc." A succubus, by its nature, is sexual. If its not sexual, it's not a succubus.
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this thread is dildos
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>>48460981

>The fact that you can only conceive of a sex demon as a sexy character really tells me how bland your imagination is
>The fact that you can only conceive of a dragon as a fire breathing lizard really tells me how bland your imagination is
>The fact that you can only conceive of a zombie as a shambling undead being really tells me how bland your imagination is
>The fact that you can only conceive of a treant as a sentient tree really tells me how bland your imagination is

Using common parlance to mean or do something completely different does not make you creative or clever, Anon. It means you want the shock value of taking an idea one way and then suddenly taking it a different way, and you think that you've made something awfully deep and interesting for it.
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>>48461115
>It would be like saying "a vampire doesn't have to drink blood, be hurt by sunlight, be undead,
There's enough vampire myths to justify having none of those, (I'll admit that not drinking blood makes it feel cheep to me though)

>>48461174
>Ugly crone illusionist
>White dragons
>Pretty much any fast zombie
>I will give you that one
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>>48461209
And not one of those examples are in common useage. You know exactly what you're doing and so do we, so stop it. You want to be a demon trying to redeem themselves? Cool, could be fun. You want to be a succubus? You're the one introducing sex so don't be pissy when people call you out on it and don't want your obvious fetish bait at the table.
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>>48461293
In the show adaptation at least, Melisandre is a decrepit old woman who maintains her youthful and seductive appearance via some kind of glamer.
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>>48461293
>>White dragons
>>Pretty much any fast zombie
>Not common usage
Ignoring that, you do realize the hypocrisy of allowing a demon to work against type and be good but not allowing a succubus to work against type?
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>>48461391
White dragons and fast zombies are known, but there's a reason you have the adjective there instead of "zombie" or "dragon." Get it, now?

And again, depends on setting. If its a demon that lives off of inflicting pain or eating souls, that's not going to be good no matter what. A succubus drains the life energy out of her victims and lures them in with sex. A minor demon? A corrupted angel? Something that has a chance of existing outside of it's demonhood? Sure, let's do a redemption arc, could be fun.

Also, notice how no one ever wants to be a redeemed torture demon? Or a redeemed pestilence demon? Always the succubus. Food for thought the next time someone tries to claim its not about sex.
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>>48461382
To be fair, a good chunk of succubus lore has the same thing, glammered to look like the most desirable woman the victim can imagine.

Side tangent, I preferred it the book way, where she only had some magic and was learning how to use it still. Magic was almost completely gone, at best you could do minor tricks. A big plot point is the return of magic, heralded by the dragons and white walkers return. The idea that she had a completely perfect glammer up that never once faltered throughout these years kind of...ruins that.
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>>48461563
>Also, notice how no one ever wants to be a redeemed torture demon? Or a redeemed pestilence demon? Always the succubus. Food for thought the next time someone tries to claim its not about sex.
See >>48453080
>Lies, Bob, the "Honestly not a Balor" carrot farmer says otherwise
I've seen it done
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>>48461644
Oh gee, that one example absolutely outweighs the daily "redeemed succubus, what do" threads here.

You're gonna need a bigger fig leaf to cover your erection there, bud.
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>>48461725
Not gonna bother any more cause you'll just keep bitching about it, but you can probably find tons of examples under redemption or some shit on tvtropes
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>>48429732
Have you played Planescape: Torment? This is basically who Fall-From-Grace is.
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>>48461563
>A minor demon? A corrupted angel? Something that has a chance of existing outside of it's demonhood? Sure, let's do a redemption arc, could be fun.
You assume a succubus needs to drain souls, I don't think that's the case in most settings actually
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>>48461856
It is, actually. They drain your life force. The strict christian lore though is just harvesting semen to give to an Incubus so they can impregnate women. But that was waaaay back in the middle ages, it's been a few centuries and that's only from one part of the world. Almost every culture that has a succubus analogue has them suck the life force out of you, hence why they're dangerous.
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>>48461831
Nigga, I'm well aware of redemption arcs. But you'd have to be dense or selectively blind to think the people here posting about succubi every. Damn. Day. Are at all innocent in their selection of redeeming succubi. It's fetish shit and shitposting. You want to clutch your pearls and say "nuh uh!" go ahead but that doesn't make you right. Everyone else sees it for what it is and I would never game with someone who brought such a character to my table. You can play stupid and whataboutism all day if you want, but the truth is the truth.
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>>48461911
Do they need to or is it just a want though?
If it's a need, you have a problem, but D&D has had an example LG mind flayer before who dealt with the pesky brain thing in a Good manner (mind reading executioner/bounty hunter), if it's just want they just have to avoid it

Hell even if it's a need, if they don't need the whole thing you can use the same answer some settings will let vampires take, eat just enough the rest can grow back with no harm
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>>48461968
>about succubi every. Damn. Day.
Honestly this is mostly why I'm arguing with you, I don't see these threads but once every 2 months, yet every time someone always claims they happen every day and act like the OP shot their dog.

I work from home, I spend a lot of time on /tg/, maybe I'm somehow missing a lot, but this really seems like you're sperging out over something irrelevant and bitching nofunallowed over something that happens in frequently enough to probably be someone honestly asking about it
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>>48461990
See, I would be fine with this answer. Hell, it's what I'd do for such a character, just enough to live from willing donors. But scroll up and read who's actively trying to play such a character. And their motivations. Here's my litmus test "if you changed the type of demon to any other, would you still want to play this redemption arc?" If no, get out. If yes, sure, let's give it a shot.

In a related way, it's why Kender are fucking hated. It's not them specifically, it's they type of person who would want to play it that makes it a problem.
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>>48462049
I agree with you on the rest of this post

>But scroll up and read who's actively trying to play such a character.
But I'm not seeing this though
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>>48462046
Go into the archive. Search for succubus and paladin. Read the paladin threads too. Read the veiled succubi threads. The ones that talk about what's "evil" and "if angels can fall, devils can rise" bullshit. Every single time, it's fucking succubi.

Here's the thing, we all have tried to ignore it. It just gets worse. Then everyone tries the diplomatic approach of "depends on the setting, ask your GM, but in the most popular game settings they are beings of evil and that will be a hurdle." And then you get people like you going "nuh uh! They don't have to be! That's just DnD, why do you assume DnD when I use every common DnD term and even reference mechanics exclusive to it! Not even in canon! Look at this one example I found! You just hate fun! You don't know what you're talking about!" Look, you do you. But understand that you're being an ass and deliberately trying to start shit when anyone with common sense can see the issues you'd run into. You want help with specific points of a redemption arc? Ask about them. Don't fucking drop your pants and shit out "succubi paladin! How do?" and expect people to be happy with it.
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>>48462212
The last can I play a redeemed succubus thread was in may,

Furthermore, this thread would likely be dead if you hadn't started complaining about it AFTER EVERYONE ELSE STOPPED TALKING ABOUT IT

Hell, the only reason anyone is arguing right now is because you're going out of your way to argue with everyone, while I want to say you're just pointlessly sperging out the fact that you waited until it was dying makes me think you're just trolling

But maybe I'm stupid and still missing things, point to me examples of theses daily threads, lets see how they've shitted up the board enough to justify you white knighting over anything that looks like badwrongfun to you
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>>48462413
I'm bored at work, sue me. But you're still wrong and if you want to jerk yourself off, there's boards for that.
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>>48451382
>the Order of the Silken Hose were forced to retreat from that village in shame, utterly overcome with how brazen mortals can be despite not needing intercourse to live
>"They were even sleeping with the lycanthropes, the savages!"
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>>48462489
>But you're still wrong and if you want to jerk yourself off, there's boards for that.
>I realize my claims are bullshit
Fixed, you could at least have the spine to admit you're wrong but I'm done here
Hell, if you're going to shitpost at least don't spew simple to fact check claims
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>>48462531
While it's funny, I don't think a redeemed demon would flee from that, be disgusted probably, but more along the lines of SMITE disgust than "this is too much for me" disgust
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>>48462547
Hahahaha no, I'm still right and if you pay attention, you'll see it. Keep your fetishes to yourself and your ERP group.
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>>48430252
>It involved an insane priest using holy water waterboarding on the succubus and various other shit.

My sides!
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>>48451328
>> Not playing a no-nonsense nalfeshnee in a CBS-style courtroom drama
I want to see this now
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Out of curiosity, why is "it depends on the system," or "ask your GM," not considered a valid response to this kind of question? I see folks get dogpiled for suggesting either of those, as though they're some kind of smarmy non-answer; but, to me they're the only answers that can be given and be trusted to apply.

Take for example Rich Burlew's interpretation of the D&D 3.5 cosmology in which beings of the outer planes are literal embodiments of the alignments which define those planes. In such a cosmology, the idea of a "good" or "reformed" succubus is, by the word of the author/GM of that particular campaign-comicstrip, literally not possible; you can have demons that are a bit more lawful than their peers or devils that are a bit more chaotic than the average, but they'll never drift out of being their defining alignment. Period. Open and shut, end of the discussion.

If that's the way your GM chooses to interpret whatever system you play in, then that's likely the outcome. Some other GM might interpret the same system differently, and of course there are other systems. But without knowing which system and who your GM is, how can strangers on the Internet be expected to tell you reliably anything more than to ask your GM about it?
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