Jumpchain CYOA Thread #970: +5 Jump of True Resurrection Edition

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So /JC/ how do you RIP & TEAR?

Ring of Elru from Overlord, Wizard Stick from Disney Princess, Sceptre of Power from Spyro classic.

What other items can help boost your magic?

What perks can boost your magic?

>>48402065
With musical accompaniment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzPpWInAiOg

>>48402074
Eye of Set, from Swords & Sorcery.

As for perks... Gift of the Thousand Master from Negima is good.

What perks give extra lives powered by jumpchan fiat?

I have an opening in my chain where Cortex Command used to be that gave an extra brain, and want something as a replacement.

Also, I've got to ask, how do extra lives perks work post-spark?

Planning on updating the writefaggotry tonight before finally dusting off Boktai. I'm deeply ashamed I sunk into Valve time on this jump and apologize for it.

Next time on Worm:
>Spark finds a pen pal
>Armsmaster gets a headache
>Media attention
>Taylor Time!
>Eventual timeskip

If I stack two double cast perks, do I cast 3 times or 4 times per spell?

>>48402099
>before finally dusting off Boktai.

H-YES.

KAMEN RIDER SHOUJO SHALL BE SUN-POWERED.

>>48402088
1-Up from Super Mario, Bad Dream from Rust, Mediumcore from Terraria, and... a few more, I think.

>>48402105
I'd say three but unless the perk(s) explicitly say either way it is completely up to you.

>>48402088
Scott Pilgrim, Rust, and the Kisk Stone from Aion

Someone explain R-type and all its technology to me. What is it capable of?

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I have returned to the land of cheeseburgers. I am ready, once more, to discuss the Kung-Fu Hustle Jump (thanks for all the suggestions people left on the G-Drive copy). https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FeqFpjOJUOjCojTGxTwJdXBCUUr5cTydt6GbBklG7mk/edit

>>48402088
>Also, I've got to ask, how do extra lives perks work post-spark?


I don't know. Probably one time use. I wouldn't worry that much.

You can probably get a lot more via replicating some ways of getting extra lives from various universes, and probably have more than enough immoralities so you don't have to worry about that plus the Oldwalker immortality.

>>48402088
In theory the Healing Bandages in my KFH jump, and the Stone of Ephemeral Eyes from Demon's Souls

>>48402088
And I'll be including "Extra Lives Quarter" if I do a Ready Player One Jump

>>48402088
>Also, I've got to ask, how do extra lives perks work post-spark?
More than a few of them read as regenerating every decade after use.

Also, depending on how you read it, Dark Binding from Hellsing does that. Just burn away a few souls to keep yourself alive through something that would have killed you.

>>48402174
>if
so that's unclaimed right now?
It's one of my favorite Sci-Fi settings and I would love to do the jump on it when I'm done with Traveler's Gate

>>48402088
>how do extra lives perks work post-spark

Fanwank something. I simply decided that any perk or item that operates "per jump" becomes "per decade" post-chain.

>>48402176
>Also, depending on how you read it, Dark Binding from Hellsing does that. Just burn away a few souls to keep yourself alive through something that would have killed you.

Speaking of Dark Binding, how many souls those who picked this perk have collected over the centuries? Do they help you in your battles? Do you talk to them?

>>48402074
Eye of Set - Sword & Sorcery
Gift of the Thousand Master - Negima
Demon King's Power - Demon King Daimao
Crossing the Dragon Streams - Devil Survivor 2
Spirit + Rank Up x2 - Bartimaeus Sequence
something in Vampire Diaries but I don't really give that jump much of the time of day.
Abyss of Magic + Level One Hundred Magic Caster - Overlord
The Overlord's Seat - Shin Megami Tensei
Magician perk tree in Kingdom Hearts
Save the Queen + Save the Queen+ in Kingdom Hearts
Magician perk tree in Magi
The Mage Birthsign - Elder Scrolls Morrowblivion
Dresden Files. Just. Fucking. Dresden Files.

There's UNDOUBTEDLY a fucktonne more I'm forgetting.

>>48402197
As far as I know, no one's claimed it, and I haven't . If you want to do it, I'm all for a) letting you, b) helping you brainstorm, or c) coauthoring it with you. I love it too, but it's currenly 17th on my build list.

>>48402148
For the Weapon Breakdown drawback, would our hands break if that our weapon?

>>48402148
Change the meta nature of Ascetic Living. It's absurdly unbalanced, encourages you to abuse jumps solely to get more cp to power up other stuff and operates on the assumption that CP is worth equal amounts of things in differing jumps, which is insane.

>House of 72 tenants
No. Either remove or change to stop them leaving the place and be powerless. Otherwise it's just 72 pods that don't respawn (But you can resurrect yourself) and can't be imported (But you can give them stuff yourself).

>CP getting companions
No. Just remove them. This shouldn't even need explaining for the bullshit that these are.

>>48402237
ah, well, we'll see how Traveler's Gate turns out first then, if it's decent enough when I finally post it I'd consider myself worthy of doing Ready Player One, otherwise I'll wait a bit and keep working on stuff in Traveler's Gate

>>48402216
I use Dark Binding to bind a cat.

>>48402258
I disagree with this anon. Leave it.

>>48402276
Justify why.

>>48402148
Alright, well, Ascetic Living is too meta, shouldn't be based on cp costs between jump since 1000cp in Slice of Life is not 1000cp in let's say Asura's Wrath.

For that matter... Doubling/tripling a power every five years is bugfuck crazy in terms of power. What were you thinking?
And continuing the scenario companions debate... I still think it's too much. Especially with something so... meta. Personally, I don't think any companions should automatically get free stuff in other jumps. It just fucks utterly with jump balance.

Especially not when it's ATLEAST 1000cp for free every fucking jump for your Drop-In tree guy, even 'unoptimized' that's utterly ridiculous. And you said he's a "permanent drawback" because of his morals? That just sounded silly to me.

You have a point on the Beast's unoptimization. But I'd put his caps much lower. Make it something like 200 per perk, 400 max, and I'll /grudgingly/ accept that. Giving capstones for free is just... no.

>>48402148
I'd just like to second everything >>48402258 said, though I like how the rest of the jump's going.

>>48402216
The souls I grab with DB are fuel. They're there to boost my abilities and keep me alive if I run into something that kills me. Now, I don't harvest everything I kill this way. Only the evil ones and only those that I can easily contain.

Now, good souls? If someone solid around me dies, I give them an option: I can help them pass, I can give them a lift to the afterlife, or they can join me on my travels. That's the upshot of being a Valkyrie.

So, all told, I'm pretty full up on souls.

I'd watch my step around Ghost Rider.

>>48402281
I shouldn't have to. Your only justification is, 'because that's bullshit'. No justification at all is better than that.

>>48402148
I like this, but I'd dump the companions that gain CP. That always causes bullshit and drama.

Hey /JC/ I need some good jumps to import my "evil" companion into for him to get more evil powers.

>>48402148
>Companions that get CP every jump

Wonderful, it's like you want to be the next Doom.

Hint: Doom caused a shitstorm with it and fucked up every jump's balance with that option alone, and Babylon decided he absolutely had to follow suite with the halfling you can companion in Warhammer Fantasy's Nemesis list.

>>48402293
But it is bullshit! It's bullshit and I don't like it, so it should be changed.

>>48402293
Alright. It breaks jump balance in other jumps. It fucks with other peoples jumps. It's crazy meta and is near universally frowned on. Similar jumps that used to have those sorts of companions like RWBY and MGS had them changed so they didn't give CP or perks in future jumps.

Now justify why they should be kept.

>>48402276
Not him but for the sake of an actual debate I'm going to explain why I feel each is unacceptable:

Ascetic Living: Falls into the issue of interjump balance by incentivising taking jumps in a specific order, which is considered undesired when jumps are supposed to stand by themselves.

72 tenants: Replaces one of the key premises of the whole shebang; before you cite something like blue feathers as a counterpoint you have to admit even that is a combo, not something attainable from a singular jump

CP getting companions: Admittedly it's not as astrong an argument but after the RWBY fiasco there's been fairly vocal opposition among thread as a whole against CP getting companions

>>48402307
Also you know if you're going to choose scapegoats you could've cited Bancho's CP-gaining companion in the original PS238 jump

>>48402293
How about the fact that it single-handedly tells every other Jump-maker's balance "Fuck you, I can do what I want."

This shit introduces inter-jump balance.

>>48402319
Don't forget even Doom tried to fix his jump's cp giving companion and only didn't because people screamed at him until he left.

>>48402333
Tera changed that bullshit after getting shat on considerably hard for it.

Least. I remember him changing it. If he didn't actually and PS238 still has that, then let's go ahead and add THAT to the list of people SJ-Chan wants to be known alongside.

>>48402341
Anon's only reasoning for it to be changed is that they want inter-jump balance though. SJ-chan should just ignore them and their incessant bitching.

>>48402354
I thought he did too, hence why I specified the original draft. Honestly I don't consider anything he makes worth paying attention too so I can't say for sure

>>48402358
Alright then. Guess any future jumps can just add a "select X perk from another jump for free, no drawbacks attached" item.

Because that seems to be something you want.

>>48402354
He EVENTUALLY did. This was after what, 2 years of it being shat on? Not saying it wasn't removed but he definitely shouldn't get any kudos for it.

>>48402358
You realise that all 3 of the issues mentioned explicitly apply to other jumps and 2 are in fact designed around other jumps?

>>48402358
>Anon's

The least you can do is specify whether you're referring to me or the original responder. I specifically said I oppose the listed features BECAUSE they FACILLITATE interjump balance, not because I WANT any to exist.

>>48402258
Assuming I ditch the Meta nature of Ascetic Living, which I'm not at all adverse to, do you have a mechanism to suggest which accomplishes the benefits? I needed a metric to quantify giving stuff up... CP just seemed the best way, and the scaling becomes quickly ludicrous to slow abuse.

Not sure what you mean about the House, the tenants aren't companions, they don't follow your orders, and all have their own agendas. I'm not sure what you mean about them being ressurectable.

>>48402266
Cool cool. If you decide you want to claim RP1 and want my help, leave me a note on whatever my most current WIP jump is.

>>48402267
>Absorbing the most pure of creatures
That's gonna be bad for your health, anon.

>>48402387
You seem to be skipping over the "CP-getting Companion."

>>48402387
The issue about the House is that a central premise of Jumpchain is companionhood/pods are the only means you're supposed to be capable of taking along willing sentient beings with you; he's referring to the fact that those also have the ability to be resurrected from untimely death. As I've said before I still feel the House is an extensive breach of Jumpchain convention considering one can simply choose people who are suggestible to take along.

Due to the versatility of powers in jumpchain I suggest you quantify it much more simply: Just state that the greater the magnitude of the powers you seal the greater your remaining powers are enhanced proportionally so long as you maintain your ascetism

>>48402319
>>48402304
The Boss and Venom Snake gain perks and a free origin costing 200 or less. That gives them a huge customization range as you can choose to import them that way or whatever the in jump option is.

>>48402258
I like the House. It's thematic to the setting and a cool idea with awesome flavour, and your arguments don't hold up to what's already in other jumps.

>Otherwise it's just 72 pods that don't respawn (But you can resurrect yourself) and can't be imported (But you can give them stuff yourself).

So it's like fresh pink roses, except it's rotted black husks? No, seriously:

"But you can resurrect yourself" So? What about Dark Binding and similar perks? They allow nomming people before jump #1 ends, spitting them back out in #2 and rezzing them. Poof, no need for pods, carry as many people as you can nom+rez.

"But you can give them stuff yourself" So? You can already give stuff to anyone you meet in a jump, they don't need to be companions for that. The things you can't give tenants are the exact same things you can't give anyone who isn't a companion.

Tenants aren't Companions. Not even close. Keep the House.

>>48402387
>Assuming I ditch the Meta nature of Ascetic Living, which I'm not at all adverse to, do you have a mechanism to suggest which accomplishes the benefits? I needed a metric to quantify giving stuff up... CP just seemed the best way, and the scaling becomes quickly ludicrous to slow abuse.
Not him, but... why not just make it give you a boost in practicing/learning instead literally doubling a power? Because that doubling is just stupid unbalanced too.

>Not sure what you mean about the House, the tenants aren't companions, they don't follow your orders, and all have their own agendas. I'm not sure what you mean about them being ressurectable.
The points is that you can just boot the originals out, and fill the House with whatever not-companions you want to cart around. So, basically pods without import ability.

>>48402442
As I've conceded, that part's a much weaker argument. All I can say to that is there has always been a lot of controversy over CP-gaining companions and that those jumps were from the early days when What Jumpchain Should Be Like, and that these days consensus seems to be against that sort of thing.

>>48402387
Change the perk entirely? Not sure if you've been around long enough but perks that directly affect all other perks rarely work out well. See Real Eater and Sacrificial Bestowment for examples of how the perk either overtakes almost all discussion about the jump or just provokes endless questions on it. Far as I know this isn't exactly an ability that directly represents something in the movies either. Or do as >>48402437 suggest and make it a relative power thing instead of exact CP.


You can choose who to bring from jump to jump, the item outright says this, you can make them follow through force or charisma, same as before with agendas since you can convince them otherwise or control them and resurrection can be done with many systems of magic. They're pods without imports (Not that bad given many people don't import companions and you can give plenty of power anyway to them without importing) and without auto respawn (Which you can do on your own through many means).


>>48402442
Apparently I have an old version of the jump. No matter, we can get Kanons or whoever made it to change that because it should be changed. Clover changed RWBY over this, there's no reason MGS should keep something like this.
>>48402442
I have the jump open

>>48402099
I can't wait for the seven worm update.
>spoilers how said tinker gets a headache will probably be a highlight.

>>48402460
I'll add though, that I agree that I'm not at all keen on the companions from this jump getting their own set of rules that basically override companion import options of other jumps.

>>48402480
Ignore that last part, should've been deleted when I checked the current jump rather then my saved one.

>>48402429
No. Just trying to keep the two debates seperate so I can focus on fixing the two that are issues and listen to the feedback on the ones that are pretty much either an up or down vote. One's a matter of revision and suggestions, the other being told to just ditch it.

Getting a Reward Companion that has no special value aside from being a Companion fails to reward. It's not impress, it's not worth taking what would otherwise be a fairly major Drawback with a Fail State.

>>48402460
Not him but

>It's thematic to the setting

Since the latter part is subjective I'm just going to focus on the fact that an apartment that follows you from jump to jump and naturally attracts tenants would be equally if not more thematic without challenging the convention of non-companion followers; most of the tenants aren't main characters after all

>But what about dark binding

Setting aside dark binding's controversy when Hellsing jump first came out, there's a distinction between what you can do with your own abilities/perks and what most people feel should be offered as a purchase in a jump. This falls into the latter, especially given the stigma some people have with CP purchases

>You can already give stuff to anyone you meet

For the record though I personally am not going to argue with you about this.

In summation, I too say keep the House. But have it so it naturally attracts tenants rather than carts them from setting to setting.

>>48402442
It's still too meta. You're intruding on how other people build and balance their jumps and nudging people toward a jump build order.

If you want to say that they have a passive "better at learning skills of XYZ type" then that's fine. But playing with CP in other peoples jumps is sketchy.

>>48402490
Then give them a reward that isn't this. Hell, even that shitty Light of Terra managed to do it. Make them an awesome companion to take without giving free imports and entire perk lines. Jumpchain isn't a game of being the most popular jump maker and this jump you've made is already ridiculously powerful. There's no need to make every single option an absolute must have and in fact it just makes the jump look more like a broken power grab.

>>48402148
>Still has CP cost for Drop In
>Still has ridiculous CP trade perk. Why yes, my 1000cp of perks from Cooking Show Jump are worth a 3 and a bit times increase in power and ability growth on that Worm power I paid 200cp to select! And that's with a conservative estimate from the two price/boost samples given; if we say that the cost modifier is equal to growth rate+1, that'd be a 4 times multiplier.
>Still has purchaseable property allowing transferring large numbers of people between jumps (the apartment not even having a limit to number or abilities of those transferred)
>Still has companions that can fiddle with import rules in other jumps, get free cp, get perks they may not be supposed to be able to access, etc
Really. Last jump you made, you were trying to actively block companions from being imported with powers without paying a cp tax, gave them a tiny cp budget, etc. This jump, you want to make companions that would override that, and do so for every other jump that's tried to do similar, blocked a specific origin or perks for companions, etc? Do you just not think about consequences, or do you have absolutely no respect for the most basic rule of Jumpchain, "don't fuck with other people's jumps without very, very good reason and threadwide approval"?

>>48402488
I can agree with you on this, though.

>>48402473
You never get to pick tennants. The best you can do is keep kicking out old ones (though you can't get another one until the next jump) and hoping for the best, but the tenants will always be random people hiding from reality.

As for why not make the ability a boost... it's an 800 Capstone... in a fairly powerful jump.

>>48402490
>Getting a Reward Companion that has no special value aside from being a Companion fails to reward. It's not impress, it's not worth taking what would otherwise be a fairly major Drawback with a Fail State.
Then give them some other benefit that /isn't/ a 'fuck you' to everyone else making jumps.

>>48402514
Seconding this guy.

>>48402480
>Kanons should change MGS companion stuff
This. Seriously, did he just sneak this by or something? This isn't in the copy I had either so it must've been updated later on. Kanons is still around isn't he? I swear he posted only a few threads ago

Final Form lets you combine physical abilities of alt-forms without combining the physical appearance, right?

>>48402514
I want to direct you to Dirge's jumps, which do in fact offer reward companions from scenarios who do NOT get a CP budget in future jumps, and who are often also considered staggeringly powerful in their setting.

I think this principle completely applies here; I mean for goodness sake, it's THE BEAST and SING. Almost nobody even TOUCHES those guys when they fight seriously. They're the two most powerful dudes in the entire movie, how is that not a reward?

Also I suppose if I were some sort of pansy I'd say friendship with someone can have inherent value beside what superpowers they own but that would be ridiculous amirite?

>>48402529
>You can bring along up to 72 individuals with you from jump to jump, as long as they are willing
Your own jump contradicts you. Maybe try fixing that first.

Also- why the hell is this jump so powerful? It's filled with fiat multipliers, some of the most broken perks I've ever seen and things that break JC mechanics. It's like one of the worse SB jumps rather then something from here.

>>48402474
As I see it, there's still precident. I think they're a really good addition to the jumpchain experience and would like to see more people use them, which is why I coined a term to refer to them "Challenge Companions"

>>48402547
>Final Form lets you combine physical abilities of alt-forms without combining the physical appearance, right?
Eh, the way I read it it turns you into an amalgamation of everything you dump into it. It's easy enough to fix with shapeshifting, though, and I may be reading it wrong anyway.

>>48402529
>>48402490

Also shit, mean to reply to you not him and fuuuuuuuck the post timer isn't gonna let me reply before this mistake is made.

Fuck you post timer.

>>48402558
And yet all but a single person, one who can't put up anything even close to a good argument, says otherwise and people are even calling for the precedent you've used to be changed. Is this maaaaybe a hint you might not be right here?

>>48402558
It's a bad idea to use very divisive things as precedent. You're just setting yourself and the thread up for tons of salt.

>>48402558
Then I don't think there's much more to be said. You and I clearly have extremely different ideas on what contributes to the Jumpchain experience and what detracts from it in the long run.

I'd also like to strongly recommend, at this junction, removing all flat multipliers that aren't a canonical part of the martial arts style. Always found them to be lazy and arbitrary in every bad way-not just too powerful or too weak, but just flat out not representative of a setting.

>>48402557
I'm not going to excuse the multipliers and I've opposed the JC mechanic breaks from the start but I believe some of the perks are SJ's attempt to expand on a movie by incorporating wuxia lore. Which leans towards feats like this.

>>48402564
If one of those forms has the ability to assume a human form, would that human form have the amalgamation of appearance, do you think?

Specifically, of thinking of Dragonoid from Overlord.

I'll try and rewrite Ascetic Lifestyle... somehow.
I will nerf the beast to 300 for a single perk and 500 max. And will nerfing Sing to the first 3 Drop-In perks work (with a drop-in Discount, that usually maxes out at about 300-400 CP)

>>48402536
>>48402480
Seconded or thirded or whatever. If we say it shouldn't be in this jump we should be consistent. ALl the same arguments apply to Metal Gear too.

>>48402609
But...isn't Wuxia something that varies massively in power level? Like anything from normal kung fu movies to DBZ tier shit? Isn't that a really fucking stupid idea to do to make stuff up for a jump?

>>48402558
As a general rule, things which enable you to metagame the whole thing by bypassing the opportunity cost of comapnions limits are considered to detract from "the jumpchain experience" by cheapening the value of choices for future jumps as well as incentivising jumps being taken in a certain order.

What the fuck is wrong with you idiots?

I can't tell if this is just because we have an influx of shitposters recently, but seriously, since when has the complaint of 'we shitstormed over it and bullied jumpmakers into doing this before, so you should do it or else' become valid?

>>48402628
It's not valid. That's why we've got less jumps being made these days than we used to. It used to be we'd have a couple new jumps made every thread, or even just one per thread, but now it's one every five or ten threads.

>>48402618
No, that's not good enough. LISTEN to what people are saying. You have near 100% opposition to the fact that they are included AT ALL, not just included at their current level. You are also now the only one arguing for it to be included.

>>48402628
Tell us why we should have companions that get perks and cp for free in future jumps. Don't use precedent, we've already got several people including myself calling for what precedent there is to be changed. Justify it on it's own merits.

>>48402628
Does the argument of "stop trying to fucking throw in options that directly interfere with the CP structure of other (people's) jumps" work better for you?

>>48402642
well that also has to do with people having less to choose from since a lot of IPs have already been done.

>>48402618
Good man.

Honestly I'd prefer if you not let Sing and the Beast have perks at all; like I said they're the strongest guys in the setting! They don't need perks to stand on their own!

>>48402619
I assumed since one of the most powerful attacks in the movie just smashed an apartment building and helped Sing survive a miles-high fall from the atmosphere other feats would be scaled to that approximate level rather than let you pull a Sun Wukong.

SJ doesn't seem to have a note about this though.

>>48402642
We only ever had THAT speed at the very start, when the threads were way too fast and the jumps were generally terrible with no quality control.

>>48402665
Seems more and more that he's just trying to put in as much power as possible then if there's no actual justification for a lot of this.

>>48402648
Um, dude-I think he's criticising the people who ARE arguing for it. 9-5 for example was one where people shouted Doom down from removing the CP gaining companions remember?

>>48402654
I'm not addressing that argument. I'm specifically calling out the asshole who used the fact that they bullied other jumpmakers into changing their jumps as valid basis for why every instance of it should be changed as well.

>>48402656
Yes, because there are definitely no thousands upon thousands of games, movies, RPGs, anime, etc, that people can choose from to make new jumps. We've definitely exhausted every popular IP that anyone has ever liked.

>>48402677
I don't think that's what's happening because no one but SJ-chan is arguing for it.

>>48402558
SJ, note that the MGS jump on the drive (dated Mar 29) has what you're calling Challenge Companions as a Scenario Reward, and they get _considerably_ less benefit - Snake and Boss can only import themselves into any background worth less than 200cp and get associated freebies, and they _don't_ get actual CP to spend.

That's a _hell of a lot less_ than what your jump is giving.

>>48402681
Obviously there's options, but the more obscure something is the less likely someone finds it and makes a jump out of it, Traveler's Gate is a fine example of this, before I decided to do it no one here seems to have even HEARD of it.

>>48402676
Were you around for The Tree of Life? SJ had a...rough start because they tried to introduce the idea of a companion housing supplement. I've just come to accept SJ has...novel ideas for what jumps should be like. Things more or less worked out eventually in LesMis jump, for example but obviously are currently going down the shitter for this one.

>>48402690
I shut up about it because the shitposters were yelling way to loudly to actually be heard.

>>48402700
Wait, this is the person who did those? Now it all makes sense.

>>48402618
Don't want to sound like a broken record but again-please consider removing the noncanon multipliers as per >>48402609 and replacing them with qualitative descriptions.

>>48402387
>Ascetic Lifestyle
Maybe something like "you bring your talents down to a level no greater than peak human, with one exception: the power you wish to train. If you maintain you asceticism, that power has its potential growth greatly enhanced."

>House of 72 Tenants
I would feel much better about it if the tenants had an explicit power cap of some kind. Like, they're always people without exceptional talents or something regardless of how much you train or enhance them.
Saying "they're always random people, you have no control over who shows up" doesn't really work when a jumper can just give anyone that does show up a shot of Imaginos nanites and a cauldron vial and ten subjective years of perk-enhanced military training in an afternoon.
Yes, you can do that to the ordinary folks in any jump, but they won't follow you between jumps.

>>48402677
I suspect the issue there was the cp-gaining companion got into the final version of the jump and some people wanted it out, and others didn't want to have to re-do their builds.

>>48402716
Yes, please use qualitative rather than quantitative modifiers where possible.

>>48402700
I guess it's probably going to end up like that did then, threatening to keep it off the drive until the issues are fixed. Not surprised that the same person is trying to force in supplements again. Disappointing since it seemed they learnt from their mistakes last time.

>>48402701
I agree certain people could stand to be less caustic but I can honestly say I've been providing rational arguments to justify my opposition to the features.

I'm extremely miffed >>48402276 never bothered to respond to me in >>48402333 even after making a claim someone else with my same position in >>48402293 had no valid reasoning.

>>48402696
I've never heard of the settings for half our jumps! Who the hell knows anything about Overlord? How the fuck are there so many Gundam settings? Wasn't Demolition Man a cheesy 90s B-movie? Has anyone even heard of Trigun being mentioned in the last fucking decade?

>>48402742
Less likely he said anon, not impossible.

>>48402734
>Yes, you can do that to the ordinary folks in any jump, but they won't follow you between jumps.

Or you could just pull a Konatanon and build an army of perfectly loyal super-powered robots to do your bidding, no need to go posting ads or evicting uppity tenants with mysterious pasts that might bring trouble to you for the ten years you're in their native world...

>>48402529
>You never get to pick tennants.
And what about the apartment, which has no such limits, no limits on number transferred, no clause about them not being able to be companioned, and since you've already dodged this question is looking a lot like something you're trying to slip past?

>>48402742
Maybe you just don't hang around the same circles or care about the same things as some of us.

>>48402737
In the case of LesMis I think there was simply less mistakes to be made. I personally don't like some of the mystic elements present which aren't as explicit in the play or folksongs gone literal but even I have to admit everything about the jump's very thematic even if noncanon in parts.

SJ seems to be focusing on the high wuxia lore aspect of KFH (something which isn't meaningfully present in the movie until the third(ish) act, and I get the impression they're enthusiastic about thematic stuff tangential to the actual setting's central narrative so they get carried away with stuff like this.

>>48402558
Well, guess I need to touch up on my jumps then.

>>48402734
>>House of 72 Tenants
>I would feel much better about it if the tenants had an explicit power cap of some kind. Like, they're always people without exceptional talents or something regardless of how much you train or enhance them.
>Saying "they're always random people, you have no control over who shows up" doesn't really work when a jumper can just give anyone that does show up a shot of Imaginos nanites and a cauldron vial and ten subjective years of perk-enhanced military training in an afternoon.

Limited to Olympic-level peak human, maybe?

>others didn't want to have to re-do their builds.

People shouldn't make builds for jumps that haven't been vetted, then. Wait until it's approved for upload, at the very least.

>>48402694
The Boss and Venom can import themselves... or you can import them. And it's any background that meets that cost. My Beast won't let you import him if there's something he wants, and my Sing never lets you chose any import options at all. ever. And he judges you if you're a dick.
>>48402734
That's not worth 200, let alone 800.
As for not being able to bring ordinary folks with you... what does that matter? You can just keep doing it over and over and over again. It's an infinite loop of starting a jump and getting a few thousand mooks versus just keeping 72 mooks who are self-centered losers.

>>48402775
Naruto and Bleach a shit, though.

At least I actually like Type Moon and Worm. I miss the good old days when people exclusively about those.

>>48402772
Er, my mistake, there is a "not companions" clause in there. Nothing about any of the rest, though.

>>48402787
I never understood why people keep using sarcasm somewhere it plainly doesn't work. Always seemed like watching whales beach themselves without knowing why.

>>48402793
And people are calling for those options to be changed. Neither you nor other anons have justified the options on anything but precedent, precedent which is currently being sought to change.

Funny that you manage to constantly ignore all the issues brought up about the apartment by restating the same thing over and over.

>>48402793
Again, see Dirge's jumps. I don't appreciate you're ignoring my point that being the most powerful people in the movie them simply coming along with you is already a massive reward in my opinion.

Also could you at least CONSIDER my alternate suggestion for it to be an apartment that follows you and naturally accretes tenants? Would cut the issue easily while still being thematic.

>>48402793
Or just make them abide by the rules of normal companions, who you can import, while not giving them free cp.

>>48402216
I like to eat worlds when in big space settings, there was also pic related combo posted a while ago that I copied for more soul nomage. But I doubt many things could bring me to that point anyway, still redundancies are great.

>>48402742
>Wasn't Demolition Man a cheesy 90s B-movie?

Yes, anon, yes it was. And I'd still jump that mofo in a heartbeat, just for the cheese(burgers).

I didn't even buy any of the perks. I spent all of my CP on the souvenirs!

>>48402793
SJ-chan, let me give you some advice. Ignoring most posts and responding only to select ones, and ignoring parts of even those posts, is not going to win you this argument. it will make it harder and harder for you as you make people more and more frustrated with you. Respond to everyone and don't ignore people, that's the only way you have even a chance of getting past the near total opposition you've gotten.

>>48402793
Look, the mechanic you're fiddling with is not new and has been thoroughly rejected every time it has been brought to bear. Drop the mechanic, it's that simple.

Look at what's going on in this thread. You've got people who have been making jumps and builds for years telling you that CP granting companions are a bad idea. That's not just due to some weird phobia, it's out of experience and understanding of how this game works.

Drop the CP granting companions. It fucks with other jumps and jump makers and, to be honest, for as much as I want to see this jump on the drive I don't want it on there at the cost of fucking with every other jump makers jump.

I legitimately don't give a shit about any of this but I'm just going to say, as far as the tenate stuff, I'd say to leave that in.

People might have a point about the companions getting CP or whatever, but they really have nothing but 'the spirit of jumpchain' for the apartment.

>>48402858
Well golly I guess we should hand out infinite pods for free next jump. Nothing but the 'spirit of jumpchain' to say no there huh?

>>48402847
Do you see any cows around here, detective?

>>48402769
this
>>48402772
what apartment?
>>48402788
As far as I'm concerned, they're just normal people, maybe a hidden martial arts master or two, maybe a retired contract killer, but that's pretty much it. they're just people.
>>48402831
That's essentially what it is, except that the tenants don't leave between jumps. And it's not that I'm not considering. I'm reading a dozen suggestions and attacks and insults and trying to come up with a solution that fits.
>>48402837
>>48402851
And my problem is that the Scenarios to get them are major challenges and have proportional rewards. If you can offer a way to make that happen, I'll be willing to listen.

>>48402879
And you're ignoring everyone that points out ta you have a line in the perk which tells you you can bring people that are willing you. Or are you just going to ignore this too?

How's this for a rewrite of the CP section of Ascetic Lifestyle. If it's still too meta... I'll do something... I guess.

As a general guideline, to double the effectiveness of one ability or skillset, you must willingly strip yourself of the ability to use half your remaining abilities, to triple the effectiveness of an ability 75% of all your other abilities, to quadruple one 90% of all other abilities, and ultimately five times would requiring going without all but one other ability for at least 5 years… and the benefits only kick in after 5 years. You cannot use this multiplicative effect on anything you’d deem to be a “Signature” ability, i.e. something you already rely on most of the time.

>>48402851
I'm just going to point out, they only have that fear because of people like you shitting on them every time anyone tries it. Your arguments aren't valid, they only appear to be because they get results when you start screaming them at jumpmakers until they acquiesce.

>>48402868
Pod Companions can be imported. Try again.

>>48402895
It's still broken as shit and by far the best perk in the entire jump, overshadowing everything else. Find something new that doesn't directly interfere with any and all other perks.

>>48402879
There are jumps that give out and out capital G gods and goddesses as a reward for what you're calling a major challenge. You know what? Those gods and goddesses don't have a CP gaining mechanic.

This portion of your jump is broken and the more you argue for it the more it makes it seem like you're putting this in there for yourself and your build.

So now we have to balance jumps around someone deciding that they're special enough to up and try to force their influence onto every other Jump-maker.

It's like Red all over again. Fucking beautiful.

>>48402894
It isn't worth acknowledging, fuck off and stop spamming your shit.

>>48402921
I'd say just put a clause stating Companions can't buy <insert perk names here>, even if the import doesn't give them enough to afford it.

>48402858
I want to refer to you to >48402333 where I tried to list what I considered valid concerns with the features and...was apparently ignored completely by everyone involved.

Unless you consider all that to fall under "the spirit of jumpchain" and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you on the last part, in which case fair enough.

>>48402879
Alright, I hear you. I realise you're under pressure to make a decision, best I can do is to keep citing what I think are rational arguments for my stance to avoid getting lost in the shouting.

If we're discussing thematics, isn't an interdimensional hotel not thematic at all to the movie? I strongly feel it's far more thematic to have a building in every jump that accretes tenants; it's differentiated in that they're not the SAME people (who could change over the course of the journey from different experiences) but could be from a similar background/level of income, which I feel is more representative of what Pig Sty Alley is in Kung Fu Hustle's narrative.

>>48402921
And Anti-Red bring Red into this when she has no reason to be involved.

>>48402879
>And my problem is that the Scenarios to get them are major challenges and have proportional rewards. If you can offer a way to make that happen, I'll be willing to listen.
This is going to sound a bit harsh, but run with me on this.

Your jump is not special. Your "scenarios" are not some magnum opus that necessitates screwing with how the entirety of how companions work in the chain.

More than a few jumps have hard scenarios and they don't include meta rewards that fuck with other jumps.

It is incumbent on you to make the reward fit the risk and do so in such a way that it does not screw with other jumps and jump makers.

>>48402895
Can we just not? This will result in nothing but complete unbalancing of every other jump because you've put in a way to make perks directly better no matter which perk it is. It still hasn't fixed the issue that not all abilities are equal in power and has in fact made it worse. This version just encourages you to pick up tonnes of little abilities to sacrifice so you can make your better ones better. Your cheap limit on it, that you can't use signature abilities, doesn't matter much when you can just get multiple of the same ability and only use one of them or just get so many good powers that it doesn't matter either way.

>>48402921
And antired is posting in favor of the change, nice to know for certain that you fucks are shitposters.

>tfw you don't care about the broken shit in this Jump, and you just want to smash the unrighteous with Buddha's Palm before granting them Enlightened Mercy

>>48402793
>My Beast won't let you import him if there's something he wants, and my Sing never lets you chose any import options at all.

Hmm. As the anon whose post you've linked to, I'll point something out that's central to jumpchain: they're only _your_ Beast and _your_ Sing in your own chain. When my chain reaches Kung Fu Hustle? Even though the fluff in your jump may colour my perceptions of them, ultimately they'll be _my_ Beast and _my_ Sing, and they'll do what I think they'll do based on _my_ mental picture of them. If you're lucky "I" will have even watched the movie.

And that'll be the case for every other Jumper too, because potatoes. It's something that needs to be taken into account when designing the mechanics of a jump.

>>48402955
And if he just fixed the shit we could all enjoy that stuff.

>>48402955
There's something to that.

You take out the salt generating bullshit from this jump and it's a solid jump otherwise and we'd be having fun with it.

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Hi, got a wip for Red Dead Redemption here. about 80% done. Just looking for any major issues people can see. If you're going to ask about a drawback for Undead Nightmare I'm planning on doing a seperate jump for that. Going to sleep now so just post any issues you see with it and i'll sort it out later

>>48402894
"as long as they are willing to live in the run down, 60 year old, elevator-less, four story apartment building with no running water except in the courtyard and extremely unreliable electricity" Not people who are willing, people who are willing to live in the slum.

"While not evil, many of them have done questionable things in the past. They are, in general, normalish people, maybe a martial arts master past their prime, maybe a hit man in hiding, but they aren’t extra-ordinary and always the dregs of the earth, even if you transform the Alley into a palace.

If any of the tenants are evicted, killed, or move on, you can replace them simply by posting ads in your next jump. Who knows who might move in, as you have no control over this besides being able to evict people. They just move in on their own once you post that you have a vacancy. "

>>48402895
And here's my opinion on quantified multipliers: Don't have them. As far as I can tell nobody's even arguing for them so I'd strongly recomend ditching 'em altogether; they're just jarring to read.
>>48402966
This, a thousand times.

>>48402879
>what apartment?
>Your Rent [100-600] (First Level Free for Pauper): You gain a small apartment somewhere in the slums, rent free ,forever. This will follow you from jump to jump, and while it’s not the nicest place to live, no one will ever think to find you there.
>[CP costs to upgrade;]
>Any decorations and furniture for 200 and up, pets and servants attached for 400 and up, automatically transfer with the house.

>>48402969
Good effort but bad timing, broseph. If we get to a new thread before you come back I'll post this for people to look at.

Thanks for doing this, Batman. You're the hero we need right now.

>>48402969
You're a beautiful being, Batman.

Unfortunately it's at a bad time, but definitely giving this a once-over.

>>48402976
>Not people who are willing, people who are willing to live in the slum.
So what? The start of the item still says you can bring along people who are willing, not that they just randomly show up. Change that and change that these people stay. It doesn't fit the theme of the jump to have an interdimensional hotel like others have said. Just make it a hotel that you own in each jump.

>>48402919
I don't, as a general rule, jump to my own jumps. I don't select more than 1 in 8 jumps I go to, and I don't plan on ever putting my own jumps into that list. If they end up being added by random numbers, I'll do them, but I don't build jumps to have any specific builds. And I wouldn't take either scenario in this build. I make builds for other people and want them to enjoy the jump because it has interesting options that haven't been seen a dozen times before.

>>48403008
Interesting options that have gotten almost total negative responses? Maybe, and I want you to really consider this, that means your 'interesting options' aren't actually the right choice to put into the jump.

Not the least because 'interesting' seems to translate to MAX POWER for you given all those non canon multipliers you put in.

>>48403008
>I don't, as a general rule, jump to my own jumps

Doesn't fucking matter Jimbo.

>>48402969

Swap Cold as Ice and maybe magic maybe mundane's price costs. Seems like the former has better utility.

Hogie that Varmint is objectively better than all the other capstones, seems a bit too metagamey for the setting it's from. What about just being really, really good at handling ropes, lowering it to 400CP and making the "skin anything" perk the capstone?

Also swap Modernization with We Enforce the Rules; again, utility

>>48402772
>>48402989

Most of us aren't power-wankers who expect jumpmakers to write everything in legalese.

Generally, if limits aren't outright stated, you should assume that something can only behave as written or balance it according to the price.

>>48403008
Just take out everything besides the Tenates that people are complaining about and you'll have a good jump.

>>48402976
>"as long as they are willing to live in the run down, 60 year old, elevator-less, four story apartment building with no running water except in the courtyard and extremely unreliable electricity" Not people who are willing, people who are willing to live in the slum.
Didn't you explicitly state that the state of the alley was not fiat-induced and that you could upgrade it a couple of threads ago? Or was that the ship for GuP? If the latter, is this confirmation that it is fiat mandated?

>>48403008
I'm sorry to have to resort to old history but-remember your first attempt at making a companion housing scenario?

I'm just saying this for consideration but...maybe the reason why you got such a negative initial response was because some of the things you implemented were a blunder along those lines?

>>48403008
Really changed your tune from the Fountain huh? I call bullshit, you made that jump to give yourself one specific thing, the supplement you made, and I bet you're doing it here too.

>>48402989
Uh, anon, the servants in that item aren't real people you hire/fire/meet, they're part of the apartment.

>>48403036
>It's an 'it only does what it says it does, so it actually doesn't do anything' episode

>>48402742
It's a great cheesy 90s B-movie that's actually gotten better with age.
It's pretty much become a metaphor for the internet now.

>>48402965
She.
>>48402989
Oh. That. I'll make a note that all the servants are just faceless fleshrobots. They're not NPCs, they don't do anything besides serve drinks and dust things.

>>48403079
Can you please answer this >>48402245

>>48403036
What legalese or powerwanking do you need to see that "servants come along" means "hire whoever the fuck you like, they'll come with you" anon? It's not like it can even be covered by the "they do what they want not what you want" defense because they have to be your servant to qualify.

>>48403079
>Telling people to call you a girl
Oh god you're literally just asking to be shat on aren't you? Do you just never go on 4chan aside from posting here?

>>48403049
It's still upgradable. Frankly I find the Alley one of my favorite parts of the jump, I wish there wasn't the limit on not being able to get new tenants until the next jump, the sheer flavour is great and every objection I've seen so far in this thread has had a counter-argument.

>>48403006
Fine. I'll turn it into something boring.
>>48403024
Non canon? The director specifically drew the styles from other Wuxia movies and books, and meant them to specifically be those styles. I had to watch the god awful Buddha's Palm movie and read the comic book to find all the references. THe Condor Heroes stuff is drawn straight from the books and was inserted directly into the movie

>>48403079
I'm just going to say, in contrast with the multitude of anons trumpeting inter-thread balance as their justification for change, I'm just going to say that it's unbalanced internally and should be changed to make the various options more in line with each other and the setting's power level.

>>48403062
It does not even imply that in the item, let alone state it. The only mention of them at all is in the bit saying attached servants come along, absolutely nothing about actually getting servants for the house with the upgrade tier in question.

>>48403126
Ugh, no, don't make it boring. Make it more expensive if you must, but for the love of jump-chan don't make it boring.

>>48403126
The series explicitly gives you a x3 boost to strength and fighting prowess when your outfit is mocked? The various martial arts have those exact flat multipliers?

>>48403053
Could you poke at a worse sore spot.

>>48402895
Holy shit no. That's just as bad but in a different way. Now we go for quantity of bad perks instead of just buying expensive options in weak jumps. All you've done is make it more complicated with all the same problems. Surely given how much you made up for the jump you can think of something else? This perk doesn't /have/ to be in the jump does it?

>>48403053
I made that jump because I thought it would be a cool thing to exist. Something I'd want if I went to that jump... not a jump I actually planned on doing. Also, it was my first jump and the feedback is largely why I created the rule.

>>48403126
>Fine. I'll turn it into something boring.
Please.

>>48403153
The only reason he exists is to inspire as much infighting as he can.

>>48403169
And yet you're still trying to put in things that only you want. Sure some people want the tenant thing (Without providing much more of an argument then 'no i want it though') but who else is giving support for Ascetic Living? Even your redo of it is nothing but criticised. Who else is supporting your bonus companions? Far as I see, you're just putting things in that you want like with the Fountain.

>>48403126
>Fine. I'll turn it into something boring.
>"Oh no, I can't keep the same constant people in my little high-turnover lowclass dive, now it's boring!"
What. What the fuck, SJ.

>>48403126
Don't listen to anons about the Tenates at least. Change the other stuff, those are legitimate issues, but the slum is honestly pretty okay as an option that don't have nearly as many real issues.

>>48403126
Look man, if you thought my idea of an apartment in each jump that accretes tenants was boring you could've at least been honest at the start.

I mean, I think it's more thematic but whatever. I can't change your mind on what's fun or not.

>>48403197
Kinda seems like she's not making a jump for the movies as a whole, just for the high wuxia elements of it and a few other things she wants huh?

>>48403126
Why are you listening to the guys that want the 72 tenates thing gone but not the people insisting you change either of the other things you're getting shit over?

>>48403222
I'm starting to get butthurt. Not because of the arguments. Not because of anything else. But because I posted what I thought were legitimate arguments against it in >>48402333 in the spirit of, you know, having an open exchange of ideas and fucking nobody's even replied to call me a faggot or something.

>>48403260
Don't worry faggot you will always be one here.

>>48403126
You should change/get rid of Ascetic Living before you get rid of the Tenates.

>>48403260
Hey, anon, I don't want you to feel left out, so please consider my posts >>48402460 and >>48402769 to be a response to yours too.

>>48403145
You're a dick, but I hate explicit numerical multipliers so I'm good with that getting changed.

>>48403270
Fucking right, shithead.

I guess it would be nice to have had an actual debate with someone from the "keep it" camp based on rational reasoning instead of vitriol but I guess that was too much to hope for, huh?

>>48402245
No. Your hands would not break.
>>48403036
I was told early on to be specific on limits.
>>48403062
This. But I will make it explicit.
>>48403102
No. I never, ever go to any other part of 4chan besides tg and this is the only forum on tg I go on. I sometimes read other threads if someone sends me to them. I only came to 4chan because of Jumpchain because I was told this is where you post new jumps and I wanted to give back. And I am a woman, as I've said multiple times.
>>48403145
No, that's not a martial art. But a random non martial artist was able to easily beat up two other people because they mocked his glasses. 3x seemed about right.
>>48403167
So people will actually take dozens of crap jumps just to boost a single ability that isn't their signature ability? And then keep taking crap jumps, because it's a percentage of all your abilities. Would you willingly take dozens of jumps you wouldn't enjoy just to do that?
>>48403192
No. I don't want Ascetic Living. I think it sounds ghastly.
>>48403197
Because the way it's currently written is about people trying to escape reality, not just people living in a run down apartment building.
>>48403224
I do think that just getting a bunch of new people who move in every 10 years isn't as interesting as being able to go down and see how Miss Fong's 13 year old, who you were at the birth of, is doing on his homework.

>>48403260
Because that is literally an argument for 'the spirit of jumpchain'. They're non-importable garbage, anything you can do to make them not garbage can be done to an average person in any jump you go to in numbers significantly greater than 72.

>>48403291
Oh right, whoops-didn't see you there.

>an army of perfectly loyal robots

I would consider this an exercise in using other perks and resources to achieve an effect, and unfortunately I don't see how it's pertinent to a discussion about a singular CP purchase; generally it's agreed jumps should encourage some degree of creativity after all.

>other post

Ah, actually I replied to that in >>48402504. But I appreciate the gesture, man.

>>48403308
>No, that's not a martial art. But a random non martial artist was able to easily beat up two other people because they mocked his glasses. 3x seemed about right.
So they are in fact non canon, despite your protests. Remove them. They do not exist, they have recieved total hatred so far, just get rid of them. You'll be one step closer to makign this jump be accepted.

>>48403245
Because I can only focus on one thing at a time. And because the only thing being said about the challenge companions is remove the CP stuff. So either I do it and get the jump approved, or I don't, and don't. So I really don't have a choice there.
>>48403275
Clearly. Now I need a new capstone for Pauper.

>>48403308
Why is the Drop-in origin 100cp?

>>48403308
>No. I don't want Ascetic Living. I think it sounds ghastly.

...

Wouldn't you change a perk you thought sounded ghastly then.

>>48403308
>So people will actually take dozens of crap jumps just to boost a single ability that isn't their signature ability? And then keep taking crap jumps, because it's a percentage of all your abilities. Would you willingly take dozens of jumps you wouldn't enjoy just to do that?
Have you not seen this thread ever?Yes people can and will do something like that. Especially when they can boost abilities like Real Eater or Sacrificial Bestowment that have permanent effects on other powers. Real Eater that's five times as strong and all I need do is wait 5 years in a jump of my choice? That sounds like I'm getting a vacation in return for an ability I can then use to change and boost all of my other abilities to ridiculous extents.

>>48403328
God, you are such a fucking asshole.

Kung Fu Hustle

Wandering Idiot 100
Thousand Hand Divine Fist 300
What Does Not Kill Me 550
A Special Aura 850
Enlightenment 1250
Weapon Breakdown 1050
Mute 950

So I'm a badass mute kung fu master who would break your face in with my bare hand.

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>>48402065
With a Chainsword in one hand, flames spraying forth from the other, and several untested chemical combinations coursing through my veins.

It's a glorious feeling. Am I a bad person for enjoying it so much?

>>48402074
Make sure you dip into Chrono Trigger. Combination Attack is always fun if you've got a magically inclined friend. Barrier Change isn't a direct booster, but it'll keep others off of you while you cast. Power of Zeal is a great direct boost to your magical ability, so make sure to grab it. And of course, don't leave without a Golden Earring in your ear.

>>48402105
I'd vote for 3 times personally.

>>48402148
I wrote quite a lot on what I thought about this Jump, before I read the rest of the thread and saw that many of the issues I was going to mention already have been.

I agree with the others that Pig Sty Alley needs some sort of power limitation on the tenants if you want to keep it around. Yes, it's thematic, but as it stands there's a large hole people are going to exploit.

I also agree that your Scenario Companions should not gain any free CP with each Jump. It's not something I'd really like see become a common thing in Jumpchain, because I think it'll just get out of hand really quick.

On the positive side, I think you did an excellent job writing up the various Martial Art Styles themselves. Very informative to those who haven't watched the movie. I liked those sections a lot.

>>48403308
Alright well, I think meeting a new bunch of people every 10 years is in fact more intresting so you can compare Miss Fong's 13 year old with Mr Gazorpazorp's 5 year old and compare parenting techniques.

>>48403315
As others have said, they would have the benefit of being present at all for various modifications and such; keep in mind they hail from a singular purchase rather than building an army of robots or something. And the central conceit is-you can't take that many average people from one jump to another because they're not companions and there aren't enough pods.

Furthermore whether the spirit of jumpchain is a valid argument or not I have seen interjump balance and precedent cited as valid reasoning for other jumps in the past. The onus is on you to explain why something a majority has agreed on previously is not a valid argument.

>>48403368
Well, his goal isn't to improve the jump like some of you, but to drive away the jumpmaker.

Has anyone Claimed Stardew Valley and Crusader Kings 2? If not I would like to claim them.

>>48403368
Really? Here I thought I just pointed out that they lied and that the multipliers were not in fact canon. How am I an asshole again?

>>48403403
Don't think so.

>>48403349
>Because I can only focus on one thing at a time.
>>48403308
>And I am a woman, as I've said multiple times.
SJ... using "I can only focus on one thing at a time" to justify dodging criticism while you go correct anons on your gender is not a winning strategy.

>>48403349
>Clearly. Now I need a new capstone for Pauper.
Maybe something like "You were always a nobody, the lowliest member of society. Because of this no-one paid attention to you and efforts to counter your powers/skills are less effective".

Obviously not those exact words, but I feel something like that is thematic to the origin.

>>48403403
Why just CK2? Aren't they all just updates to the same general game engine? Not too familiar with grand strategy games like those.

>>48403356
Because it is clearly the best choice and it's perks are more powerful.

>>48403363
I didn't think the perk sounds ghastly.... I think the living that way sounds ghastly. There are a ton of things in jumps I think sound horrible... I don't buy them.
>>48403366
Well... sounds horribly depressing. But I'm nixing the perk, or totally rewriting it.

New Language for the Beast
If you can manage all that, the Beast gains the Enlightenment perk and joins you as a companion. He will import himself into any setting that offers an unarmed Martial Arts Perk, unless you import him in such a way as he gets the perk. If you don’t import him to a Jump he qualifies for he wanders off trying to find people to beat up and improve himself. Sing does not exist in this timeline and events are set in motion simply by the Axe Gang trying to drive everyone out of Pig Sty.

>>48403430
They do all run on same game engine. but their is enough differences between the games for separate jumps and I have not played enough of the other games to make a jump.

>>48403366
Especially since you might as well disable a bunch of comfort perks anyway if you're going to be an ascetic, and there's a bunch of superpowered monk options throughout /jc/ you can train at the same time.

>>48403384
Cool.

New language for Sing
Sing can import himself into any jump, and will do so if you don’t. Either way, he is always a Drop-In unless they are clearly evil. >>48403420
Somethings are more important to me. I don't like being called 'He'. It also took 12 seconds.
>>48403424
Hmm... I'll think about it.

>>48403126
Here's a summary/extension of my various two-cent posts:

1. House of 72 Tenants is fucking awesome. Don't make it boring, just say "you cannot use perks to upgrade the tenants" or something. Increase the price if you must, I'd still buy that sucker if it was 800cp.

2. Challenge Companions should not get CP in other jumps. Baaad idea. Letting them take free backgrounds and getting the freebies for those free backgrounds would be as far as I'd go.

3. Please don't use numerical quantifiers for boosts. It's just plain bad jump design. Even terms like "doubling" are iffy and should only be used for top-tier perks/items to represent truly rare OMGBBQ stuff (for a recent example, the World Items in Overlord LN).

Hope this helps.

>>48403487
Just activate it before you go to Slice of Life, since you won't have your powers there anyway. Or if that doesn't work Animal Crossing is just as pleasant and safe.

>>48403453
>He will import himself into any setting that offers an unarmed Martial Arts Perk,
No, stop. A lot of jumps are set up around certain costs or access levels for importing, and you are directly interfering with that. Stop trying to affect pricing and balancing in other people's jumps.
>If you don’t import him to a Jump he qualifies for
What is this even supposed to mean, the sentence before just said he'll import himself.

Re, the Apartment
Servants aren’t companions, but they do change to fit the style of the setting and are always immaculately dressed and very discrete. They are, for all intents and purposes, spirits bound to the apartment with human (or whatever) forms. They have no special abilities and cannot be upgraded in any way. They never age and will do nothing to defend the place, vanishing whenever it is attacked.

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Anyone here mind that I make a Warriors Jump? I barely have a WIP in the works and would like some ideas on what to give.
I've got Drop-In, New blood, War chief, Copper as origins.

>>48403567
>All these old movies being made into new jumps
Oh yeaaaaaah

>>48403396
I legitimately don't get it. The only thing you're arguing against is the ability to take a bunch of worthless pieces of shit with you between jumps.

If I have infectious bite, I'm just as well off biting a bunch of Randy Rando's than biting the Tenates, because the Tenates don't get anything on their own. If I deck them out in cybernetics? I could do that to a bunch of Randy Rando's.

Anything and everything that can be done to the Tenates to make them not garbage, can be done to a bunch of random people in any given jump, and in greater numbers.

The only thing you care about though is that they follow you?

>>48403556
If you don’t import him to a Jump that has an unarmed Martial Arts Perk, he wanders off trying to find people to beat up and improve himself. He will show up again at the end of the jump.

>>48403556
Fuck... only copied half the new text
"He will only allow you to import him into any setting that offers an unarmed Martial Arts Perk, if you agree to import him in such a way as he gets the perk. If you don’t import him to a Jump that has an unarmed Martial Arts Perk, he wanders off trying to find people to beat up and improve himself. He will show up again at the end of the jump."

In Once Upon a Time, what's the limit on what you can dispel with True Love's Kiss if you also have Magic?

>>48403612
Could you answer the posts all telling you to knock it off with the multipliers?

>>48403580
>a bunch of worthless pieces of shit

You have your opinion, and I have mine for what constitutes "worthless". Suffice to say I completely disagree.

>infectious b-

Interjump applications are not relevant to this discussion. My point is that it stems from a SINGLE CP PURCHASE not through use of abilities, which I would have no issue with.

>anything and everything-

Except, yes, taking them between jumps. That is, in fact, the central point I'm objecting to.

>>48403637
see >>48403631

>>48403574
I'm basing it off the game and movie since they both go through the same stuff.

>>48403580
>nything and everything that can be done to the Tenates to make them not garbage, can be done to a bunch of random people in any given jump, and in greater numbers.
So, when I give 5 people Cauldron vials, and then go to the next jump and get 5 more vials, I can bring those people I gave them to with me normally then?

>>48403631
Are these companions the Jumpers now. If not they don't make the choice. The Jumper and/or Benefactor do not the companions that should be in companion limbo unless brought out.

>>48403663
Jump fiat, you can't give people multiple vials, otherwise you'd just do that on your companions.

>>48403639
I have nothing to say. I'll have to go through the whole thing and find them and pull them out. But I morally object. I'll do it because it's the most utterly pointless thing to hold up a jump, but I prefer specifics to vague generalities that are functionally impossible to even guess at, let alone quantify.

>>48403453
>Because it is clearly the best choice and it's perks are more powerful.

not the guy that asked the question but

1. Drop-In is always the free option in literally every other jump in the entire chain
2. Jumps are at least supposed to have some semblance of internal balance. If you can immediately go X is clearly the best choice then you're not even trying.

>>48403639
Unless you want to go through the document on G-Drive and flag ever single one. It will take me a couple of hours. During which time I'll be accused of ignoring other people's comments

>>48403631
So, if you have a carefully set up plan for a jump with high-powered threats, relying on canon knowledge to prevail, and don't want to or can't import him/other companions for CP cost reasons, to prevent butterflies, because a canon character could use them against you or whatever other reason, he'll just import himself anyway and then wander around fucking everything up, and there's nothing you can do about it short of imprisoning or killing him?
And this is the big reward?

>>48403697
Good man.

>>48403702
Which is why some jumps have origins that have 600CP costs?

>>48403713
Or you can just wait until you've talked things out with everyone, note down all the changes you're going to be doing and do it when you're not in the middle of multiple conversations?

Just seems easier that way.

>>48403663
Well, actually, if you created those people yourself, yes you can. In fact people you create yourself are MUCH better for min-maxing than random hobos, because the former are automatically eligible to be Companions.

>>48403719
You're just doing that out of spite, aren't you?

>>48403636
There isn't an established limit because no one in the series actually had the ability to dispel magic like that. Instead, it's based on the ability of True Love to break curses and the like.

But think of it less as how powerful something you're trying to dispel is, and how much metaphysical weight it has in the setting.

For instance, in the Dresden Files, you could break the enchantments on a warden's sword, but not a sword of the cross. It would work on a half-vampire to cure them, but wouldn't destroy the Winter Mantle.

In Harry Potter, you could destroy basically any magic in the series short of the "Love" or whatever that protects Harry and the Deathly Hallows (if you believe they were made by Death).

>>48403738
Except you can only have 8 of the former out at once. You can have 72 of the latter. Who you can improve and change however you want.

>>48403716
You could always seal him in Carbonite. or whatever other ways you have to deal with problems. Unintended complications from bringing a psychopath like the Beast along with you. I've been told I don't get to make the Challenge COmpanions actually rewarding.

>>48403702
>1. Drop-In is always the free option in literally every other jump in the entire chain

For completeness-es sake it should be mention that the Drop-In option in 1984 cost 200 CP.

>>48403697
Saying "Yes I'll change it" would really stop everyone constantly commenting about you needing to fix it. This is basic stuff lady, you seem to be purposefully making this whole ordeal as hard as possible on yourself.

>>48403747
Just want to point out that that guy is not me, the person SJ was responding to through >>48403697 this post.

>>48403640
Then you have no argument, because your entire point is an inane issue with the idea of taking useless mooks who can only ever be as good as the ones you make yourself.

>>48403631
That... really doesn't address the main point, at all, which is that adding options like that that change other people's jumps is basically the biggest "NO" rule in jumpchain.

>>48403751
Except in anyway that actually matters like you can with companions.

>>48403761
Holy shit you actually are just being salty now. Hahahaha. WHo coulda guessed that this whole situation would end the same way as the fountain, with SJ getting salty when everyone shuts her down totally until she fixes things?

This guy, that's who. Booyah.

I'd allow it to give people points in my CYOAs exclusively personally. Doesn't bother me.

>>48403751
Hmm. Okay, true-ish. I suggest the very simple fix of "you can't upgrade tenants via CP perks/items". Which of course means somebody'll just use home-built super-soldier serum or whatever the manual way, but let's face it, you're never going to stop munchkins from munchkining, it's in their nature.

>>48403751
No, you can't. they are fiat fairly normal people. Not companions. They don't obey you, they age and die. They have no desire to be cyborg mutants. They want to lie in peace away from the rest of the universe.
>>48403775
All Perks add options to other people's jumps. I have no idea how this does anything that bringing an unimported Mega Rayquaza does.

>>48403792
Well you intentionally went about this in the most hostile way possible in hopes of lambasting her, so that was a self-fulfilling prophecy

>>48403308
>go down and see how Miss Fong's 13 year old, who you were at the birth of, is doing on his homework.
And how is Miss Fong going to react when you move to a new jump and her kid can't come because there were 70 people before she and her husband moved there, 72 people before the kid was born, and 73 people counting the kid now?

>>48403751
>>48403802
Except, you know. You have any fucking number of random hobos in any given jump that you can empower freely? There's nothing at all that Tanates have over random people in any given jump.

>>48403802
Would healing count as "upgrade"? I'd be shitty if I couldn't fix a tenants broken arm or bad vision just because the jump-maker had to kowtow to the anti-munchkin brigade.

>>48403726

Still not a answer to the first and most important point which is in literally every single other jump drop-in is the free origin. That is the entire point of dropping in as paying cp for an origin is to reflect the memories, skills, and other advantages that come with actually belonging to that world. Not that you care about how things work as you've already admitted you're changing things for no other reason than to be contrary.

Secondly, then make drop-in 600cp. If you are going to blatantly make something more powerful might as well make it obvious.

>>48403808
Nothing says I can't make them obey me, that I can't change them after they join or stop them from aging. Who cares what they desire when I can change that? Or will you get off your ass and put in some words that actually stops that instead of telling us it totally does without the wording supporting you at all?

>>48403769
Stop poking you autist.

>>48403808
>how this does anything that bringing an unimported Mega Rayquaza does.
Well for one thing, unimported Mega Rayquaza gets exactly no perks and is thus irrelevant for the purposes of balancing the jump cp options against one another.

>>48403771
Your "argument" is based solely on what you consider useless, and there not valid due to personal bias instead of objective standard. I'm citing the inequality of a single CP purchase dwarfing other measures; an actually competant counterargument would cite something like Skullgirls that enables mass companion imports to which I would have explained I were still cool with it since they still take up a slot rather than being along for the ride.

>>48403870
They aren't companions though, you fucking nut.

>>48403035
>>48402969
I feel like Hogtie the Varmint is fine personally, given that you need to beat someone first. If you do make Hunting the capstone, probably buff it.

>>48403870
What does it even matter 'single CP purchase'? That seems so incredibly arbitrary and founded on the assumption of interjump.

>>48403808
>>48403832

Hmm. That might be the fix it needs then:

"The tenants will never work for you; none of your perks, items or powers will make these tenants obey you or even feel loyalty to you. They are the PCs of their own stories."

So go ahead, upgrade them, give them super abilities, make them gods - it won't matter.

>>48403870
Ha, no. Companions are irrelevant to this discussion. Tenates are not Companion.

>>48403792
Are you hoping that she'll just up and leave? You seem pretty happy about pissing off a jumpmaker.

>>48403898
Gonna have to disagree with you re: Hogtie, it's completely inescapable without outside help which means it's a much stronger effect than every other apstone.

>>48403931
Pat me on the back more why don't you?

>>48403821
kick out old mister yang in appartment 4g. he smells funny.
>>48403834
It's not worth 600. The idea that the Drop in option has to be the free one means it's almost always the worst one. but the entire premise of including pricing for origins is that some origins are clearly and measurably better than others.

>>48403931
Well, he kinda admitted it. This is something that's really disgusted me lately, you can't say anything without having someone like him jump in and try his best to cause as much chaos and hatred as possible, always with the goal of driving out content creators.

>>48403967
Late to the party but thanks for the jump. I like it, especially the martial arts.

>>48403792
Holy shit, man. Fuck you. Your kind is cancer.

I've been advocating for changing 72, Ascetic, and the rewards companions. It's otherwise a fairly good jump, and I'd rather not have people like you driving off jump-makers.

>>48403927
>>48403896
>>48403914

...you're just proving my point. A central premise of jumpchain is you can't take sentients who aren't companions/pods with you to other jumps; interjump doesn't factor into it, it's a breach of convention with no actual justification.

Surprisingly enough Kung Fu Hustle is not actually about a dimension-hopping landlord and his 72 tenants.

>>48403967
>kick out old mister yang in appartment 4g. he smells funny.
Okay, I laughed more than I should have. And then I laughed some more, because now I realise the tenants could get up to all sorts of inter-tenant mischief and shenanigans.

>Jumper-san, Mister Fong and Mister Sark are fighting each other again!
>So? They do this every week...
>Jumper-san, Mister Nok says they are trying to set each other's apartments on fire.
>Ah, shit.

>>48404014
But again, your only argument is 'the spirit of jumpchain'.

>>48403846
The wording is in there. check on the g-drive.
>>48403862
And neither to Sing or the Beast. None. I took all that away.
>>48403916
No, healing them is not an upgrade. it's repairs.
>>48403986
Thanks. it's comments like that which make the several days it takes to write one of these things worthwhile... and make putting up with the near malevolent level of douchebaggery and bitching worth it.
>>48403931
And yes, from what I've seen of the way we jumpwriters are treated, I'm flabbergasted the drive grows at all. We all must be masochists and not in the fun way.

One final attempt to fix Ascetic Lifestyle.
"Ascetic Lifestyle [800]: By choosing to give up the things of value that we surround ourselves with, one can gain a measure of grace and serenity. By sacrificing luxuries and abilities one relies upon, one can focus on the things that are truely important. But Asceticism takes dedication, and relapses set back progress. One must go at least 5 years without using an ability and living a simple life to gain the benefits of this perk. Good thing for you, when you buy this perk for the first time, it sets the point of entry to this jump five years and 1 month before the start of the movie (unless a scenario would set it even further back in time.) While living the ascetic lifestyle, one must give up all creature comforts, and forsake the use of all non-survival required abilities and powers. The benefits one gains from this sacrifice are subtle, but include an increased ability to focus on the task at hand, such as being able to focus on impossibly complex problems with solution times rivalling the age of the universe, or attaining a never before attained level of some martial arts. It also grants an overall improvement in health and a resistance to deprivation second to none, that only grows with time. A true master of the ascetic lifestyle is said to be able to survive for a decade on a single grain of rice."

>>48404001
This. If I didn't know any better I'd accuse his kind of being from the pro-72/Ascetic/reward companions camp falseflagging out of desperation.

>>48404024
Fine. I accept it is, then.

And your argument is...what? That it's acceptable, nay admirable to offer something completely unrelated to a setting just because? That all future jumps should feature similar options? Because I don't see what justificatio you've provided other than "because they're weak therefore it's okay" which isn't a valid answer.

>>48404014
Except that is is explicitly based on the book and movie House of the 72 Tenants. PIg Sty Alley is based on that, and the entire thing is about long term relationships between the people of the House. something that doesn't happen when everyone moves in and out every 10 years.
>>48404017
Hhhaaanahaa. Thanks. I needed that.

>>48404001
>>48404030
Why are you lumping 72 with either of those other two things? It isn't even a good option.

>>48404027
I think that completely fixes Ascetic Lifestyle. Nice one.

>>48404027
>we all must masochists
Well, I'd bet most of us are aspy or otherwise mentally... non-normative. I know I am.

Despite my strong opinions on the companion rewards, please know that I really like the jump and appreciate the effort involved.

>>48404027
>such as being able to focus on impossibly complex problems with solution times rivalling the age of the universe
Is this just focusing on the problem or is it solving it?

>>48404057
We (me and other dude) are saying they're all not good options.

At least, I was about Ascetic until the most recent update. I'm fine with that.

>>48404053
Okay first off-you're basing it off something that's not even canon to the movie? Can you not see the problem with that? This is like offering a lightsaber in Sitcom Jump because some sitcoms make star wars jokes.

Second of all, surely you can cultivate some substantial relationships in the span of 10 years by just...you know, interacting with people really well. The simple truth is I'm not convinced at all that completely overturning jumpchain convention for the sake of an IP that isn't even part of the proper IP simply because you thought it was cool is an acceptable justification for offering this option.

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version 1.0b. House is updated to have non-upgradable tenants. Challenge Companions gain no CP. Ascetic Lifestyle mostly fixed. Removed math from Gold RIms. Rent's Servants described as non-living.

If anyone wants me to change any quantitative stuff (aside from Dance of Success which pretty much needs the maths) please specify exactly which perk. I'd have to scavenge through and read from other people's perspective.
>>48404100
On solving. I'll make a note.

>>48404057
Alright, I'll clarify: I was arguing for limiting all three of those, but now two have been either clarified or updated to reasonable levels. I'm not too sure on the rewards companions, but they're now much better than they were before.

>>48404053
Thank you, SJ-chan. It's was already a quality jump, and now most of the issues are fixed. Please just remember that not all criticism stems from malice.

>>48403967
>The idea that the Drop in option has to be the free one

That is not an idea that is literally how things have always gone. Find one other jump in the chain where drop-in is not free and I'll shut up right now. Also I said paying cp for an origin is to reflect the memories, connections and benefits that come from actually having a history in that world. Drop-Ins do not have these things and that is why it has always been the free choice. If you think drop-in is clearly the best option why not make the other origins better and charge for them instead? Why do you feel the need to arbitrarily change the very few conventions to jump making there actually are?

>>48404057
It is though, can't you see how being able to take non-importable non-companions with you that can't actually improve in anyway beyond what you could just do to hobos in any given jump is actually really strong and not total horseshit but kind of interesting regardless?

>>48404100
Contemplating. You can't reach enlightenment if you actually solve the problem. You just find a new depth to it to think on. /Sarcasm

>>48404129
1984.

>>48404100
"to focus on solving impossibly complex problems"

>>48404125
Okay. I like all these changes so far.

I'm still opposed to the tenants thing, but I've said pretty much everything about it in >>48404124.

>>48403702
>2. Jumps are at least supposed to have some semblance of internal balance. If you can immediately go X is clearly the best choice then you're not even trying.
Someone missed the shitstorm over Overlord.

>>48404125
Special Aura still has many 'this gets doubled'. The perk below it, enlightenment, also has many mutlipliters-

Look, why don't you just remove all the multipliers like you said you were going to?

>>48404129
>Find one other jump in the chain where [x] and I'll shut up right now.
Never a good thing to say; there's a lot of jumps in the drive with... varying quality levels.

>>48404143
I'm going to disagree on drop-in being "clearly the better option". I actually think you did a pretty good job at balancing, except for "Used to Be Somebody", which does not at all seem worth 500cp.

>>48404143
So what, does this let us solve problems that otherwise take billions of years to solve quickly or just keep our focus through those billions of years?

>>48404125
Is there any way to learn how to use Awesomely Mundane for other skills besides the one you buy it for? Because that's the best perk in the Jump and I want to do everything with Wuxia now.

>>48404162
With the way the tenants have been changed, they are not proactively worse than random hobos you can find in any jump. What more do you fucking want?

>>48404129
>>48404138
beat me to it. And there are many many other paid origins that offer nothing more than memories, and that cost CP apparently just because they're not drop ins.
>>48404162
I get that. I do. But the director/writer/star based the movie off of a bunch of other Wuxia movies and set them as either direct canon or spiritual canon. KFH is canonically set in the same world as Buddha's Palm / Force of Buddha's Palm and Legend of the Condor Heros and Pig Sty Alley is supposed to be an incarnation of the House of 72 Tenants.
>>48404177
It was originally the capstone and I think it's cheap at 500. it gets you a new professional grade skill set every jump. I've paid 200 CP just to be a good painter.
>>48404189
Umm... I dunno. Maybe?

>>48404177
I disagree. "Used to be somebody" lets you master ANY profession in ANY Jump, and can be changed each Jump. That kind of flexibility is fantastic.

>>48404196
I get their complaint about it seeming uncanon. I do. it isn't, but you have to have read the director's intentions and interviews and commentary to know that.

What exactly is Blame about? The jump is so massive...

>>48404227
A really big setting. Literally, the megastructure is huge.

>>48404196
Well, you to stop conflating your opinion with a valid argument for one.

>>48404202
This is the thing: I don't accept that "supposed to be" and "spiritual canon" are acceptable reasons for offering stuff (or stuff based on stuff) from one setting in another; by that reasoning you should be able to gain perks from Final Fantasy 1 in Final Fantasy 14. The connection you're describing is tenuous; Xiulongnu for example certainly isn't a crabby landlady in the original Legend of the Condor Heroes and just watching the movie by itself it seemed to me it was deliberately ambiguous whether the couple was just talking shit or not about their identities.

The reason why I've been pushing for not-Pig Sty Alley to just gather tenants in future jumps rather than port them around is because I feel it's truer to the spirit of what Pig Sty Alley feels like i.e. a shelter for the impoverished in a world where crime runs rampant rather than the location it's based on but isn't referred to by the same name as and experiences different events.

>>48404202
>that offer nothing more than memories, and that cost CP apparently just because they're not drop ins.
Yes, because having a background and memories in a jump is valuable, giving you connections, identity, property, knowledge, etc etc. Drop In's do not have that, and thus are cheaper than other origins in all but that one jump, that also adds straight up mindfuckery to every other origin to justify the price. Even then, when it came out people said that being stuck in *the* Orwellian nightmare without those things, particularly the legal identity, was just as bad an effect and should be 0cp.

>>48404262
>just being able to take people with you from setting to setting is more valuable and powerful than those people actually being useful.

>>48404227
It takes place in a place called The City, a massive space station the size of the solar system.It is about a guy trying to find someone with pure human genes or "Net Terminal Genes" so that a bunch of synthetic monsters called safeguards can be stopped from killing everyone without those genes.

>>48404288
>value and power are the only valid considerations for good jump design

>>48404125
This is legitimately my favorite jump ever.

>>48404227

A short summary is that it's about a solar system sized machine city in need of repairs, that's expanding out of control, and a guy whose goal is to press the off button.

>>48404288
Useful is subjective. What matters in truth is inter-jump balance, and even if you can't make them better in anyway, just taking them with you at all for only a single purchase is ridiculously powerful.

You shouldn't be able to take people with you that aren't companions, even if those people can't be improved in anyway at all, even in ways that you could improve random hobos in a given jump.

>>48404125
Now all we need is a Kung Pow jump.

>>48404265
Those memories are also a drawback, because they represent an ever increasing disolution of who you are. Without something like Astral Layers, a Jumper will eventually go insane from all the conflicting memories. Or at least just forget who they were originally.
>>48404262
I do get that, but being able to take people with you is the richer story element, and my way you can have your constant stream by just kicking everyone out, but someone else gets to have a human antfarm.

>>48404335
You're only affected by the personality of the Jump you're actively in. That's been part of the rules since forever.

>>48404335
>Those memories are also a drawback, because they represent an ever increasing disolution of who you are. Without something like Astral Layers, a Jumper will eventually go insane from all the conflicting memories. Or at least just forget who they were originally.

That's just your opinion. And also, you can just choose to have the memories not affect you after their jump. Like >>48404354 said.

>>48404354
No it isn't.

>>48404330
My next Wuxia jump will be Shaolin Soccer. but before that I'm doing Circle of Magic and Equilibrium. KPETF isn't one of my favorites. I'd be more likely to do a Hero or Promise Jump.
>>48404354
But you don't forget all the old memories. THey still hang around inside your head.

>>48404335
The issue is that the story element is wholly inappropriate; one gets the impression at some point you stopped making a Kung Fu Hustle jump, and started making a Wuxia's Greatest Hits jump as a more general comment on the jump's design; I haven't criticised other manifestations of it because as you say the Buddha's Fist manual certainly implies at least some aspects of it shine through but the sheer metaness of the option as currently written is jarring.

Not to mention I still don't understand why you seem fixated on making it evocative of the House, and not of Pig Sty Alley, the actual building in the movie which would be more representative of the setting.

>>48404202
>I've paid 200 CP just to be a good painter.
Yes, and in Cooking Show jump you can pay 500cp just to be a world-class chef (for a completely non-supernaturally skilled world), but anyone who suggested paying 500 cp for that in a jump where you can buy complete knowledge of a martial art that with practice lets you punch 60-80 thousand hypersonic cannon shells out of the air a second for 400cp would be laughed out of the thread. As it is, losing almost all of the skill in the profession unless you dedicate yourself to relearning it really hurts the perk, making it effectively just a very, very limited fast learning perk. However, even if the perk absolutely was worth the price, "i paid [x] for [comparable ability] in another jump" is a terrible, terrible reason.

>>48404364
Honest advice for you re: Shaolin Soccer-don't veer off into other wuxia settings this time, just focus on shaolin. And soccer.

...

Admittedly I do kinda want a Generic Steven Chow jump now but no, realistically it just wouldn't work or be a good idea.

>>48404364
>But you don't forget all the old memories. THey still hang around inside your head.
Of course you can forget them? Why wouldn't you be able to forget stuff?

It's not like perfect, eternal memory is free for everyone.

>>48404335
>Richer story element.
Like when all those folk get drug into the dark eldar jump or any other world that will murder them all in 5 minutes. YOU MONSTER!

>>48404398
You're being anal for its own sake.

>>48404379
She wanted a generic wuxia jump, but it was taken.

I'm surprised there aren't more Tales settings jumps made.

>>48404125
What perks would I need to engage in stunts like the Looney Tunes style chase between the Landlady and Sing, or do that super healing water tower destroying thing he does afterwards?

>>48404394
I hadn't planned on it. SLS isn't an homage to other Wuxia Movies. How would people feel about a God of Cookery Jump between KFH and SLS?
>>48404398
Most people don't choose what to forget. I have a perk that allows me to edit my memory and have perfect eternal memory, and Astral Bodies.... but that's eh.
>>48404422
No I didn't. I want to do a Legend of the Condor Heroes so I can include the actual Swords of Dugu instead of just his style. But everyhing I put in this jump is something that's in this movie, Which is why there are no legendary weapons.

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>>48404125
Let's try a build for... Kung Fu Hustle!

-100 Origin: Drop-In aka the Wandering Idiot, Age 25, Gender unchanged.
-100 Poison Immunity (200, discount Drop-In). I'll skip the secretion option, ew.
-400 Enlightenment (800, discount Drop-In). What _is_ the sound of one hand clapping?
-200 Ominous Clouds (200, discount Gangster). I just adore flavour perks like this.
-000 Got A Freebie! : Kung Fu Manual (100, first free for DI). Have to think about which one to get.
-200 Pig Sty Alley, The House Of 72 Tenants (200, discount Pauper).

"I'm a Slumlord" is not something I ever thought I'd be able to say with a straight face... nope, can't say it with a straight face. Excuse me, I'll type more when I stop laughing.

...

I also find it hilarious that I cannot use The Light Side Of The Force with Enlightened Mercy. That's... ironic or surreal, I'm not sure which.

Anyway I am going to have watch the whole KFH movie to refresh my memory before I sit down and writefag this properly, because it deserves it, but apparently I am now a slumlord. I will definitely “want to do something about that”. I guess I will just have to see how much trouble I wander into - which considering I don't know any martial arts but can turn people into frogs, should be quite a lot!

... I wonder what will happen to the plot of land the Alley is on when it goes with me. Will there just be a crater in the ground? Must check in however many centuries or millenia when I get my Spark and revisit all the worlds I've been to.

>>48404404
Yeah. I get that a lot. Also from the School Ship. Would you like me to add something so that PSA can never be attacked just so you don't have to worry about defending your tenants? because honestly, if you and your non active companions can't eat Dark Eldar... don't go there with PSA.
>>48404462
Nice

>>48404462
Also. yes. there is a giant handshaped crater. I think I will add that.

>>48404335
>Those memories are also a drawback, because they represent an ever increasing disolution of who you are. Without something like Astral Layers, a Jumper will eventually go insane from all the conflicting memories. Or at least just forget who they were originally.
...I am a dedicated Drop In Only Jumper, and even I think that's ridiculous. That's not at all in keeping with the way the basic rules for Jumpchain work, and while you can play it however you want in your own chain, when you start trying to balance jumps around it, it has to be said: you are doing it wrong.
>>48404364
>But you don't forget all the old memories. THey still hang around inside your head.
"Memories from the identies become inactive: available to access for information, but no longer affect your personality."

Besides, if you don't get some memory managing perks or the like, you've got far bigger problems, like the fact that within a dozen or two jumps you'll have centuries worth of actual, personality effecting pre-Jumpchain and in-jump memories, dealing with memory loss and time dilation and shit.

>>48404442
I'd like a Tales of Symphonia 2 Sequel Jump.
>>48404490
Maybe I just consider it worth it to sometimes buy off not having memories of the period just before this movie began. remember, this is just post WW2 Era in China. Things were... horrifically bad. I'd personally pay off memories of the Invasion if I had any. But, if you like, I can also make Bystander a Drop-In option that's free.

>>48404457
Well, to be honest I get the impression you did, in fact, cram in a lot of stuff you wanted to write about that would have been better saved for another jump in this one.

I stand by what I said in >>48404379. The reason why I said what I did about Shaolin Soccer is preecisely because I think what you're doing with 72 is completely unrepresentative of what the apartment represents in KUNG FU HUSTLE, which should be the chief IP represented by the jump before things it is a homage to are.

>>48404202
>Umm... I dunno. Maybe?
That's a shame, because I'd happily pay all kinds of CP to learn how to do that with any mundane skill I have. Wuxia coding, Wuxia architecture, Wuxia power-cleaning... The mind boggles.

>>48404329
I'm gonna need you to look at: 1984, the city from Neverwinter Nights, the entire Light of Terra shibang, the city & castle granted via a scenario in Warriors Orochi, quite a few individual buildings that follow between, the fucking entire Generic Dungeon Builder...

>>48404526
The guy does offer pamphlets for all six of those Drop-In martial arts styles, you know.

>>48404474
I was just pointing out one drawback to these drag normies around things. I wouldn't take the option anyway. Honestly I don't have an actual opinion about this jump for or against any particular choices. For me personally it goes into the long list of jumps that I don't touch, due to crap setting or crap jump. I don't care for wuxia anything. Unless it had interesting stuff to entice me to jump it it gets ignored. This jump is good quality, but not enticing to me.

>>48404490

"Bystander (Optionally Drop-In) [0]: As a member of the general public of Hong Kong, you just want to keep your head down and avoid being targeted by the Axe Gang. You might even be a police officer; in this city, they’re as corrupt as they come, but that’s only because the incorruptible ones are all dead. You can, at no additional cost, make this a Drop-In origin that grants no memories of this world."

>>48404534
How about, if you have Awesomely Mundane and I Used to Be Somebody, they synergize.

Geez. I've gotten 5 unsolvable captcha's today.

>>48404538
All should just be banned. They shit all over the tradition and sanctity of Companions and Pods as the only examples of people you can take with you between jumps.

>>48404442
Phantasia is still happening.

>>48404474
Not that anon, but I'd leave it as is. It's thematically appropriate that the PSA be at risk of never-do-wells raiding it, after all...

>>48404490
>...I am a dedicated Drop In Only Jumper
Why are all of you such huge twats all the time?

>>48404555
You take this WAAAY too seriously.

>>48404541
Yeah. And finding even a list of what all of them were called in English took me about an hour and a half. Then I had to research them.
>>48404555
Don't forget Pokeballs. In theory, if you return, you could take an almost infinite amount of pokemon with you in pokeballs.

>>48404553
Can you teach other people the Toad style?

>>48404490
>"Memories from the identies become inactive: available to access for information, but no longer affect your personality."
One of the worst rules, I've been ignoring that one since it was created.

>>48404566
4chan. the reason is 4chan.
>>48404568
This.
>>48404571
Only as well as you can teach any skill you have. You don't have a manual and it's pretty... extreme.

>>48404579
Good for you?

>>48404555
So you admit that you're not arguing against anything to improve the jump objectively, but rather so it suits your individual tastes.

>>48404541
>>48404569
I'm aware of that. I did say in >>48404379 I accept some aspects are canon, it's singling out the House over the canon portrayal of what the Pig Sty is like that I take issue with.

I'm sorry if it feels like I'm asking you to throw away a hour and a half's research but I just don't think it suits the vibe of the movie at all. And I'm starting to feel like a broken record, which is frustrating for someone trying to give feedback.

>>48404579
Yup. me too. Doesn't make sense. All your in jump memories are based on those memories. Memory doesn't work like a database where you just pull out lines. It's like complex spagetti code where one line pulled can unravel everything.