Warhammer Fantasy General: Spankable elven asses edition T

>>48386581
>Spankable elven asses edition

Which type of Elf do you think would enjoy getting their butt spanked the most?

>>48386610
High Elf. Very uptight, especially Caledorians.

>>48386610
Dark Elves, especially those Witchwhores.
They'd murderer you after though. Pretty painfully and slowly I imagine. Not out of anger or anything, mostly out of principle; they were probably going to get around to murdering you in the name of Khaine anyway, so they might as well do it right after a nice bout of kinkiness.

>>48386610

Dark Elves would enjoy it the most, but High Elves enjoy it *almost* as much, and aren't likely to kill you after doing it.

Just ordered some Chaos Dwarfs from based chinaman for 9th Age. Gonna do a dragon theme and replace centaurs with dragon ogres and kitbash a huge one for the Kdaai.

Pretty hype right now

Personally, I say beastwomen need some loving, headpats, hand holding, and bathing.

>>48386681
There are no beastwomen.
There are beastmen and rape victims.

>>48386694
Hence why I say they need loving and headpats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMOqfsBzqLU
who's ready to go into the drakwald boys?

>>48386610
high elves secretly love it the most.

>>48386704
>Hence why I say they need loving and headpats

Breeding Season is dead, anon.

The chance for loving and headpats is over, there is now only rape.

>>48386711
Finally a new bloody army.
Is it bad that I hope the pissant human nations like Estalia and the Border Princes become playable, modded or otherwise?
I'm a sucker for fringe factions struggling against greater military powers I suppose.

I guess maybe the Estalians could have that Order of the Blazing Sun guys, they're originally from there.

>>48386752
I hope everything is playable. Kislev, Tilea, Estalia and the Border Princes look dumb with just Empire units. They also need to fix the map.

>>48386739
They just need to really try to love and headpats, but it can be done. Then you get a cute, albeit unkempt, beastwomen waifu. Just need to either deal with her marking and defecating everywhere, or potty train her.

>>48386773
Kislev I believe eventually will because their classical unit composition is actually quite different and they even have their own spellcasting order up there. Plus they're sort of interesting as a non-Chaos faction that has to deal with Chaos bullshit early on.
If we're luckier then lucky then a further expansion will add the full Darklands as a map and include Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos Dwarves, but that will likely be some time coming.

>>48386802
I waited over ten years for a Bretonnian update that never came. I can wait for a Darklands map, as the devs said that they want to include all the races, including Chaos Dwarfs.

>>48386752
there are already mods for estalia tilea and the border princes. Pretty good ones at that.

>>48386786

Wait, I thought you were talking about getting a beastman as your lover, which is honestly way hotter.

>>48386610
All elves enjoy it. High elves are the most uptight about it but secretly relish it. Wood Elves are just going to be yelling 'harder!'

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>>48386820
Oh man.
We'll finally get to blast assholes with dark magic, heavy artillery, and trample them with endless slave armies all while wearing the stupidest hats imaginable?

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>>48386869
Doom from Zharr Naggrund!

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>>48386862
>Wood Elves are just going to be yelling 'harder!'

>you will never press a Wood Elf up against a tree and turn her ass red

>>48386862
>>48386901
High Elf
>*spank* "Filthy human! Keep your hands to yourself!" *spank* "Or....at least more gently! With more grace!"
Wood Elf
>*growling animal sex noises as you spank her red*
Dark Elf
>*rapid spanking sounds* "HARDER! AND THEN PUT IT IN MY ASS! AND THEN USE THE KNIFE ON THE OTHER SLUT WHILE YOU DO IT!" *you are then forced to maintain a fearboner as long as possible otherwise she decapitates you mid-coitus*

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>no link to last thread
>no subject
i give 3/5

>>48386965
Cell phone was being a tit.

>>48386944
The druchii probably wants the brand involved at some point, too.

How does one get a high elf waifu?

>>48387205
Work with one of the great trading houses in Marienburg, the embassy in Altdorf, and hope your vigorous energy and youthful spirit catches the attention of a stern but secretively sensitive High Elf woman.

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>>48387205

You play the tabletop system and hope the DM throws one your way.

>>48387277
>dms
>not railroading.

>>48387299

If the train is my character's penis and the cavernous hole in the mountain the High Elf's vagina than he can lay as much track as he needs to.

Can someone repost the polls?

Also, make more?

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>>48387319
Could you a Lust Elf?

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>>48386694
I heard beastmen don't need beastwomen to make beastboys. I don't know!

>>48387705
I wish Neely's tv show were more like the online shorts. He can't go as far on television with his dirty humor, so he supplanted it with absurd and fantastical situations, and also the smooth animation style doesn't the comedic timing he used in his shorts. Spoilered for /co/ talk.

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>>48386694
Rude
They do exist though

So according Total War: Warhammer, all the Bretonnian men are ugly. Are the woman any better? Because the Wood Elves need sex slaves. Both the woman and the men.

>>48388736
Wood elves kidnap all the qt brettonians when they're still lolis and shotas.

I am actually not making this up. They usually disappear forever, butt if they are ever found, it's either dead or horribly traumatized.

As for a less lewd question - sorry for spoiling the party - how do elves do menial work, like farming or cleaning?
I suppose the Druchii have slaves just for that, but what about the other two?

>>48388910
eh, they have peasant elves in the lore.

>>48388931
Care to point me to some source? I'd like to read more about it.
How's their condition compared to their human counterpart?

>>48388346
Agreed, but be aggressive is certainly tg related in regards to newly. His prof Bros episode was probably his best work with comedic timing.

>>48388910
Druchii have commoners in addition to slaves. They make up the large ranks of druchii jobs that can't be trusted to slaves but are below any nobility of worth. Mercenaries, corsairs, brothel and tavern operators, shipwrights, watch and their officers.

Corsairs are probably the most upwardly mobile, actually. Even druchii women are permitted the corsair's life, though they can expect to face frequent challenges to their place.

Chaos Dwarves worship some special snowflake demon, but are there dwarves worshiping the big four?

>>48388832
Why are they doing this?

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>>48386944
>growling animal sex noises

Fucking wood elves, man, giving me wood.

>>48389466
The girls want some loli's to fuck, and the men (being gay as hell like all elves) want the little peasent boys to do what they want with.

>>48388832
in the concept sketc of one of the elven kidnappers it was more a toddler than a loli, a newborn even.

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>>48388367
Goddamn cutie. Too bad real beastwomen probably aren't that cute.

>>48388736
See, I always thought it was just the peasants that were ugly, because even the men-at-arms were just the least inbred. The nobles were beautiful.

Though it does seem rather silly, since the Empire probably also has fairly isolated villages, and things aren't that shit genetically. I'd honestly go as far to say as things like genetics probably don't work like they do in real life - sort of like how Fallout seems realistic in most ways, but for some reason radiation mutates instead of killing people dead.

>>48388960
there are several mentions of elves doing boring stuff in the tyrion and teclis books.
since there are few elves and they always have long lifespans, they are decently well off.

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>>48389922
>nobs were beautiful
kek.
>implying leoncour doesn't cry himself to sleep at night.

>>48388346
I wanted the online in real time.
I got college campus superjail.

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>>48389946
Laugh if you will, sir, but Bretonnian nobles usually did look fairly nice in the art. Either with long hair and shaved, or with shorter hair and a goatee or small mustache, compared to how the Empire likes bigger beards and mustaches as a whole.

I'd say the women were beautiful, but one half of them are probably lahmians and the other half are probably infiltrating elves who have lesbian sex every night while the humans are asleep.

>>48389946
louen, despite seasoned, is stil quite the charming fellow

So for WHFRP, how grimdark should one go? I assume every race is as violently xenophobic as in 40k, which is where I came from, and since they're both GW products it makes sense; but I noticed that there's rules for playing elves and dwarves in the RPG books? And halflings, which aren't even a race in the setting as far as I can tell? (I just play the game, I haven't looked into the fluff 'cause I figure it's just fantasy 40k)

>>48389946
Let's be honest, we'd all fuck Karl Franz. Guy is glorious. So much better then the corpse-god....

>>48390196
>So for WHFRP, how grimdark should one go?

It's not *that* grimdark, honestly.

Warhammer 40k's grimdarkness stems from how Humanity's greatest resource is their infinite manpower, which allows them to just grind down unstoppable foes with waves of dying meat, entire worlds dedicated to churning out warmachines and all that other sort of depressing dystopian nonsense.

In fantasy, the scale is much smaller, which means power is concentrated into the individual. You still have greenskins and freaky Chaos Warriors, but now the common footsoldier actually has something of a chance against them. Humanity does not need to employ human-wave tactics anymore, their soldiers *can* hold the line, and consistently do.

There's also the thing about the Empire having friends in the form of the Dwarves and High Elves; unlike 40k, Humanity does not stand alone.

>>48390042
>bretonnians look good
>when compared to the empire
the empire is pimpin'
>>48390241
yeah, KF is the shit.
do you guys know who his VA is? he sounds familiar.

speaking of which, do bretonnians employ mercenaries in lore?

>>48390338
Huh, so it isn't just fantasy 40k? Elves, humans, and dwarves work alongside each other? That's weird. I don't think I like that so much, I'm a big fan of super-grimdark edgy fantasy. Can you make that work with WHF? I don't like the idea of a simple man standing up to a chaos warrior and having even a remotest chance, he should get crushed like an ant and be unable to do anything about it IMO.

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>>48390371
You could make super grimdark fantasy work, but man, if you just wanted fantasy 40k, you forgot which one came first. I say that without some hope, what the hell is the point? Reality is bleak enough.

>>48390534
Fantasy came first?

>>48390544
yes.

>>48390196
Yes, WHFB is grimdarker than 40K. From the get go, the eventual victory of Chaos and eternal damnation is set in stone.

In 40K, there is a chance to actually defeat Chaos once and for all.

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>>48390534
Adrian Smith can't draw qts.

>>48390597
>EA killed it dead.

>>48390564
Where exactly is it "set in stone?" Some random guy makes a prophecy and now the world is doomed? The only reason that chaos is "inevitable" is because Be'lakor keeps literally rewinding time since apparently only he can do that or something.

Additionally Fantasy's chaos is much less over the top compared to 40k, look no further than the differences in how Slannesh is portrayed.

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>>48390625
At least art was good.

post more qt elves.

>>48390645
And we got lesbianism...

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>>48390680

>>48390634
Stop showing your ignorance. Each rulebook nearly from the start said that Chaos was going to win. It was no prophecy. Even the devs said so.

And bullshit. Fantasy Chaos is more hardcore. Cite a single event where Khorne ordered the slaughter of children in 40K.

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>>48390708

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>>48390728

>>48390696
what?
that little air kiss didn't mean anything.

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>>48390747

>>48390708
priestess of asuryan?

>>48390766
Subext

wonder what their take on wood elves would be.

>>48390801
you are reading too much into it.

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>>48388960
Riders Of Ellyrion.

Peasant maids maintain the lord's manor. They know not to make eye contact, because the basic High Elf personality is 100% politics and class.

Later, peasants are performers and artists from all kingdoms in Avelorn. They play all day while large groups of nobles wander and make catty comments, like a reverse carnival where the court comes to the entertainers. They are later mustered by Alarielle as soldiers, and even the homeless mediocre poet that was the bisexual friend/lover of an erotic ballerina that was pissing himself in fear got massive balls of steel when he put his armor on, being promoted to low nobility for valor in the end of the story.
>>48389329
Not canonically. But do what you want.
>>48389466
Weeding out magic users from Bretonnia.

Boys were used as Lileath's soldiers to protect her new world I think, girls were used as her priesthood and as the only Bret wizards.

>>48389922
Beastwomen were never really described in looks. Its assumed they just look like males with tits, small horns, and a lighter/duller coat.
>>48390196
Depends. In Fantasy, there's a LOT less racial hatred and retarded leadership. There's also intelligent villains who aren't Chaos like Nagash and Malekith.

Life is generally better, and more free. Hiveworlds are far worse than even living in Mordheim for example. The Inquisition is nowhere near as far reaching, and you don't get shot for kissing an Elf. Soldiers aren't conscripted and treated as currency, and even the villains treat their people well sometimes like Vlad and Neferata do. >>48390544
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Games_Workshop

Read this.

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>>48390725
Chaos is just as eternal and set in stone as 40k, except devs confirmed that "Chaos would lose if Order had worked together", something unlikely in Fantasy but literally impossible in 40k.

Chaos CANNOT be defeated in 40k, because Chaos is literally life. If there is souls, there is Chaos. Chaos can win, Order cannot. In Fantasy, Chaos is an alien invader from anither dimension. It feeds on emotions, but is not made of them. Souls go to the Wind of Death, wheras in 40k all dead souls are sent to the Warp and are consumed by Daemons.

Also, literally any time a world falls to Chaos, children are killed. You think Khorne sets up orphanages? Planets fall to Chaos constantly. You think when a Keeper of Secrets destroys a Craftworld, all the Eldar children are sent to another one? Slaanesh eats them, probably after Daemonettes skin and rape them.

How about you cite when in Fantasy the Warriors of Chaos ever turned women into giant wombs on hooks?

>>48390935
>Beastwomen were never really described in looks. Its assumed they just look like males with tits, small horns, and a lighter/duller coat.

How can you lie like that? A beastwoman that Kastner was pursuing was described in the way she looked, in the first Archaon novel.

>>48391001
N'kari probably did that at some point during the first invasion of ulthuan.

>>48390645
>At least art was good.

The style could be a bit WoW at times though.

>>48391043
>>48391043
where exactly?
they had normal shoulderpads.

>>48391001
Dude, headcanon much? I will break apart your post and post actual sources in a moment.

>>48391014
What was that description?

>>48390935
Technically you see a few male Bretonnians ending up in magic colleges in the Empire, at least in short stories.

>>48391237
how do they do that exactly? are they just bretonnians not living in bretonnia? do they run away?

>>48391178
I second this request.

>>48391249
Likely nobles third or so in line.
Leaving because life in Bretonnia is shit for everyone except the firstborn noble legitimate son, who has a slightly less shitty time but more politics.

Peasants aren't legally allowed to leave and will be executed for such efforts. Just like they will if they dare build a home out of stone.

There is no middle class.

>>48391249
Well, it seems to be framed that they're noble sons who go to the Empire to get an education - in some cases, supported by their family as they're intended for a mercantile trade, or the textile business. But they're not just students, since at least one was magically trained enough that he could learn and work necromancy spells and probably knew some other magical tricks besides that are mentioned, but not elaborated on.

>>48391307
correct me if I am wrong, but the lady pretty much demands all magical kids in bretonnia right, irrespective of their class?

>>48391015
Yet by population, its happened to more Eldar than Elves.

So 40k is more grimdark.

>>48391396
percentage wise the latter got boned harder.

>>48391153
Have fun with that, faggot.

>>48391413
Um, no.

Dark Elves fucked Ulthuan harder than Daemons did, they literally ended the golden age of Elfkind in a way that could never be recovered from.

>>48391455
eh, the elves were living in a pretty comfortable society, pretty much like Fantasy FB cunuvien.

>>48391001
>Chaos is just as eternal and set in stone as 40k,

Yes but defeatable. Ynnead and the Golden Ascendancy of mankind are plotlines that are leading to the defeat of Chaos.

>except devs confirmed that "Chaos would lose if Order had worked together"

They didn't. Don't confuse your bumhole for the devs mouths!

> because Chaos is literally life.

It's the same thing in fantasy, dweeb. The Realm of CHAOS is where all emotions and dreams come from. Where magic comes from. Where the gods come from. Where souls find their final resting place. They don't go to the "Wind of Death" fucking derping here. Check your closet Chaos source such as the "Hordes of Chaos" armu book which says that Chaos was birthed from the minds and emotions of men.

>Also, literally any time a world falls to Chaos, children are killed. You think Khorne sets up orphanages?

No, Khorne enslaves them for his factories for the most part. But that's deflecting the issue. I want a citation of a Chaos God ordering that children be slaughtered in his name.

>How about you cite when in Fantasy the Warriors of Chaos ever turned women into giant wombs on hooks?

Something tame compared what the atrocities of the fantasy world.

>>48391439
Seriously, WHFB has an issue with people not reading the actual lore.

I am convinced that most of you guys just look at the pretty pictures only.

>>48391478
>The Realm of CHAOS is where all emotions and dreams go to*

>>48391178
>>48391261
I am going to post the whole scene so bear with me. It starts with Kasnter's squire showing mercy on a mutant baby by refusing to end its wretched life.

>>48391478
>somewhat tame
Do you have a single source to back that up?

>>48391478
1) Ynnead and Emprah Ascended are longshots, stated to be something that in-universe is hoped to be able to defeat Chaos. It was never said that they actually can.
2) It was said about End Times that had Elves, Men, and Dwarfs united then End Times could not happen.
3) Chaos Gods are not literally made by mankind in Fantasy. They feed on dreams and emotions, but are seperate from life itself. Furthermore, its literally canon that there is non-Chaos afterlives, and they are all part of te Wind of Death. No such thing exists in 40k, you die and are sent to the Warp to be consumed by Daemons which by itself makes 40k the grimdark-er setting.
>No, Khorne enslaves them for his factories for the most part. But that's deflecting the issue. I want a citation of a Chaos God ordering that children be slaughtered in his name.
Now THAT comes straight out of your ass. Daemons run the Soulforge you twat.
Furthermore, how about all the times its been said that Daemons wiped out the entire population of planets? That includes the children, you sperg.
>Something tame compared what the atrocities of the fantasy world.
Cite something. Anything.

Daemonculaba is the grimdarkest thing in either Warhammer. Even the fucking female Skaven at least are considered valuable, not just thrown away after each birthing.

>>48391579
>‘You have much to learn, squire,’ the templar said finally, before removing his blade from above the infant’s horrific form. ‘Your education is my burden. I will not fail you as you fail yourself. Pick up the child.’

>‘My lord?’ Emil said with a face contorted by mixed emotions: shame, concern and disgust. Kneeling, Emil wrapped the creature back up in its swaddling.

>‘Place it back on the water,’ Kastner commanded. ‘You will come to see the mistake in your mercy.’

>Emil made his way back down to the water and set the screaming child back down on the sod of woven weeds before pushing it back off into the torpid current. By the time he returned, Kastner was in the saddle, his glare full of reproachful sadness. Knowing that he had disappointed his master, the squire remained silent.

>The knight prompted Oberon on with his heels, Emil and his packhorse trailing behind with the troubled Gorst mumbling incessantly to himself in their hoof steps. Kastner kept his distance from the shrieking child, the sod carried ahead of them on the sloshing waters, bouncing along the reed banks on the opposite side of the river. The templar and his squire had little to say to one another for the next hour. Emil knew better than to disturb Sieur Kastner in such a black mood.

>The infant cried. The waters lapped at the muddy banks and the horses crunched through the grit of the road. Emil watched his master who in turn was looking downstream, watching the far bank. Kastner suddenly sat up in his saddle, craning his head for a better view. Drawing Oberon to a stop, the templar slid down from the steed and led the horse to the roadside. Emil followed suit and knelt down beside his crouching master. Kastner had but one word for his squire.

>‘Watch.’

>>48391501
Khorne doesn't have factories. Daemon Engines come from the spirits of Daemons killed in real space who get tired of waiting to respawn and agree to become Daemon Engines in return for swearing to serve the Warpsmiths.

>>48391620
>demons have no concept of time in the warp but get tired of waiting
That is kinda dumb

>>48391478
Fun fact: Fantasy exists in an eternal cycle.

In 40k, once they lose Chaos wons forever.

Atrocities are gone into in detail in 40k, and are always glossed over in Fantasy.

40k is Berserk, Fantasy is Dark Souls. Both grimdark, but one is a HELLUVA lot darker.

>>48391650
Get that end times bullshit outta here

>>48391647
Chaos has always been written like shit.
Writers use "LOLCHAOS" as "don't gotta explain shit" and "a wizard did it". Its a crutch leaned on so much that it being in on itself in time, existing ten million years before it was created even though it kind of didn't appear anywhere until it was created but saying its been here all along makes it seem more important than we know how to show.

>>48391650
Ehhhh...Dark Souls 3 is one of the most nihilistic games i've played, so I think the soul series is darker then Berserk. Alot less graphic and sexualised though.

>>48391684
I reject 80% of End Times.

But some of it was okay.

>>48391699
It seems rather juvenile

>>48391589
Skarsnik. The whole novel.

Also Rise of the Horned Rat.

Never in my days reading 40K did I read any book that take glee in detailing child murder. You sick fucks.

>>48391595
>1) Ynnead and Emprah Ascended are longshots, stated to be something that in-universe is hoped to be able to defeat Chaos. It was never said that they actually can.

Metawise, The ascendancy of Mankind is a 50/50

Ynnead is real in the recent lore and she is awakening.

>2) It was said about End Times that had Elves, Men, and Dwarfs united then End Times could not happen.

You mean Archaon said at the end of Glottkin that if the Elder races united with the empire they might have had a chance of stopping him. That's all there is to it. Nothing in certain terms.
>Chaos Gods are not literally made by mankind in Fantasy.

The rulebooks disagree. Chief among them is the "Hordes of Chaos" book.

>They feed on dreams and emotions, but are seperate from life itself.

Bullshit.

Chaos is stated to be the product of sentient life.

>Furthermore, its literally canon that there is non-Chaos afterlives,

Within the Realm of Chaos itself.

>all part of te Wind of Death

Idiot, the Wind of Death is not some sort of Realm. It's just magical energies that blow across the world.

>Now THAT comes straight out of your ass. Daemons run the Soulforge you twat.

I meant the mortal Khornate enslave them, not the daemons.

>Furthermore, how about all the times its been said that Daemons wiped out the entire population of planets? That includes the children, you sperg.

They follow their programming. Khorne did not especially tell them to target children. They go after the strong first. In fantasy, Khorne demanded that Valkia destroy women and children as a tribute to him.

>Cite something. Anything.

The above reply.

>>48391709
I guess it depends on personal definition of "dark".

Monsters exploding from women's crotches in an explosion of gore every few books and heavy implication that god is evil feels darker than just a really hopeless world.

>>48391650
>Fun fact: Fantasy exists in an eternal cycle.

Not anymore. Be'lakor and the Old Ones shutdown the cycle. Catch up.

>>48391615
So far so good, thank you.

>>48391709
I don't know about that, it seemed sorta more about treating darkness and death as something you inevitably have to embrace without fear.

More of a soothing acceptance that at some point you need to let things restart naturally rather than trying to hold on to things exactly as they are.

Isn't there a race in Fantasy that kidnap female girls, rape them to spawn more of them, and live in swamps? That's pretty fucking grim dark.

>>48391615
>Peering through the long grasses lining the river road, Emil saw that the sod of reeds had become tangled in a broken branch that lay off the bank. The infant screeched – its suffering rising with the heat of the dying day. Emil watched. He waited.

>The squire’s heart thudded in his chest as a figure darted from the tree line and down the riverbank. Its body was covered in piebald fur and its legs were long and cloven. Looking up and down the river, the beast – with a long face and stubby horns of a nanny goat – snatched the child from the reeds and clutched it to itself. Within moments, the creature had become one with the forest again.

>‘The gods decided,’ Kastner said. ‘Just not the ones you were counting on.’ Emil felt the biting reproach of his master’s words. ‘Now the infant is our enemy.’

>‘My lord…’

>‘Now it suckles gall from a mother borne of hate,’ Kastner continued, ‘to take its place in a tribe of beastmen. To spread the canker of the Ruinous Powers through the ancient forests and hunt us through the darkness. To maim. To defile. To kill. To sire more of its monstrous kind for us to destroy.’

>‘I’m sorry, my master,’ Emil told him, his eyes on the grit at his boots.

>‘Fortunately,’ Kastner said, getting to his feet. ‘Calamity is not without virtues of its own. There is a crossing not too far downstream. We shall pick up the trail at the riverbank and you will track the beast – as I have taught you – back to its foetid herd. There Sigmar’s holy work will be done. Have no doubt. We shall end the beasts that walk like men, with all their foul get.’

>>48391811
>‘Yes, my lord,’ Emil said. He was having difficulty finding his way to the same fervent enthusiasm for the fight ahead as his master. The feeling followed him across the Flaschgang and into the depths of the Drakwald. Light left them and the squire was forced to light a lantern. Reading tracks by lantern light was not ideal and several times the squire lost the trail, only to have the templar find a hoof print here or the broken pieces of a snapped twig there.

>‘Such foundlings,’ Kastner told the squire, ‘are considered by the beastmen to be gifts from their Dark Gods. Their ears are always open to the cries of the afflicted and abandoned.’

>The tracks led the pair to the suggestion of a trail, a dark path winding its way through the broad trunks of the ancient forest. The haunting sound of creaking bark and hollowed bone-chimes hanging from the branches drifted on the dank air. Moss-ravaged stone markers started to signal the beginnings of a dark and shrouded route through the forest’s ancient tangle. Once upon the winding trail, Kastner and Emil could hear the distant cries of the child. They were gaining on the beastwoman. Every step into the Drakwald depths took them into the creatures’ accursed and ancient hunting grounds. Stinking water sat in leaf-choked puddles. Fungus ran rampant across dying trees while a miasma infected the very air they breathed. The stench of rot – of disease and of slow death – coated them with its rancid musk. Through it, bloated flies buzzed. Things that droned about them crawled across their skin and bit at their flesh.

>>48390196
All races in Warhammer are xenophobic, but nowhere near 40k levels.

Humans - in the Empire especially - trust and esteem dwarfs for their honor, hard work, and ability in a scrap. Some resent them for their secretiveness, greed, arrogance, and absurd ability to hold a grudge.

They hold elves a bit more warily, but they've had less contact with them. Humans tend to consider elves intimidating for their beauty, and there is a bit of jealousy/scorn. Rural peoples in the Empire are much more likely to blame elves for unexplained disasters if one is in the village, and elves as a whole face more racism than dwarfs ('ear taxes' and harassment in taverns being common).

Humans rarely think about halflings at all, but when they do, it is with the indulgent bemusement one favors a child who is not entirely honest with. The exception are Stirlanders, who are STILL upset with halflings over the creation of the Moot. On the whole they have a reputation as thieves, low level con artists, and confidence men; things even halflings admit are often true.

Elves and dwarfs hate each other, thanks to the War of Vengeance. They are quick to point out the flaws of the other race and loathe to work together unless circumstances force it. The hatred is stronger on the dwarf side (who were the wronged party, and whose memory for slights is literally permanent), but elven contempt for dwarfs can run pretty deep. That said, it is not unheard of for an elf and a dwarf to become (vitriolic) friends (see Bardin and Kerillian in Vermintide for an example of what this probably usually looks like), or even more rarely, lovers (if a slayer from Gotrek & Felix is to be believed).

Both elves and dwarfs hold humans to be an inferior, unclear, untrustworthy, and foolish race. Elves usually hide this behind a barely-present veil of manners), but dwarfs are outright and blunt about it. Still, both races respect the surprising depths humans have for such a short-lived race.

So what was kastner,s full name

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>>48391835
>At the glint of light through the blackness of the dense forest, Kastner told Emil to douse the lantern. Again the pair crouched to watch the beastwoman, foundling cradled in her filthy claws, approach some kind of concealed camp. The smothering forest broke ahead. Cankered leaves carpeted the floor – rustling with snakes, vermin and the large beetles they preyed upon – leaving the surrounding branches bare. Black birthing pools writhed with knots of foul worms. The fat trunks of dead trees seemed to thin, making way for a circle of rough menhirs and standing stones. At the centre raged a fire, threading the forest with a muggy smoke, and casting the beastwoman in silhouette.

>There were others. Many others. Black outlines of muscle, hoof and horn. Some swigged blood and ale, while others roared a bestial laughter at one another. Several creatures butted thick skulls in drunken dispute as about them beasts were snarling, bleating and jostling each other in the shadows. Beyond the fire, Kastner could see a crude altar improvised atop a fallen stone, where some kind of bestial shaman was shaking a staff crowned with a star of bloodied antlers over a sacrificial offering. The creature was dressed in rags, its fur settled with moss and its flesh harvested by blooms of fungus. A single horn curled its way out of the creature’s skull. Behind the monster, the herdstone it was honouring with innocent blood ached with unnatural energies.

>‘Sigmar has blessed us,’ Kastner hissed. Emil couldn’t find it in himself to agree. ‘It’s a warherd. Take courage, boy. You could not kill the child – the God-King has seen fit to pave the way to enemies you can. These beasts are the very children of Chaos. We shall take their hides in Sigmar’s name and bring light once more to this benighted part of his Empire.’

Scene end.

Imagine a two legged version of this. This is your waifu.

>>48390371
You could do that, but it'd be wrong, and most Fantasy fans are gonna tell you to go back to 40k.

This is a setting where a man in outrageously colored poofy shirts with cheap munitions armor using nothing but a halberd and impressive facial hair can stand up against hell-empowered warriors of ravenous evil and come out victorious.

>>48391734
>Never in my days reading 40K did I read any book that take glee in detailing child murder. You sick fucks.

That's called black comedy you fucking manchild.
>Ynnead is real in the recent lore and she is awakening.

Bait and switch.
>The rulebooks disagree. Chief among them is the "Hordes of Chaos" book.

Retconned.
>Chaos is stated to be the product of sentient life.
In 40k.
>Idiot, the Wind of Death is not some sort of Realm. It's just magical energies that blow across the world.

Also, the afterlives. Where the Dread Abyssals roamed.

>I meant the mortal Khornate enslave them, not the daemons.
Same as the Imperium then. Darker still.

>They follow their programming. Khorne did not especially tell them to target children. They go after the strong first. In fantasy, Khorne demanded that Valkia destroy women and children as a tribute to him.

Wow. You mean like Khorne orders entire planets razed in his name in 40k? He spared the men in Fantasy as soldiers, in 40k he gives NO fucks.

>The above reply.

Not darker.

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>>48386869
I really hope they are added in Total War. Just using their V2 rockets and other shit sounds fun as fuck. Also seeing their sorcerers slowly turn to stone would be nice, even if it's a perk thing.

>>48391850
Diederick Kastner.

>>48391760
Then Age happened.

The cycle goes on, in a new form.

>>48391771
Fimir. They exist in 40k too.

>>48391889
True steel for true men of the empire!!
Any story where elves or dorfs are impressed by humans?

>>48391924
>They exist in 40k too.
No.

>>48391771
The Fimir, yes.

>>48391909
They already are in Total War: Warhammer. Hell cannon crew.

>>48390355
Could it be Mark Strong?

>>48391967
As a faction in itself I mean

>>48391871
Honestly? The beastwoman is barely described aside from her horns being stubby. Anything else just seems about the beastmen (the race) in general, or specifically teh shaman.

>>48391871
Thank you.

>>48391906
>Bait and switch.

Proofs.

Because there was no bait and switch in fantasy. There was no promise of salvation even.

>Retconned.

No, there was no retcon.

>In 40k.

In fantasy as well. Like i said open your nearest Chaos source. The Liber Choatica would be nice.

>Also, the afterlives. Where the Dread Abyssals roamed.

Le nope.

Taal's for example was in the Realm of Chaos. So is Ulric's. And so is Morr's.

Guess where did the Elven Gods live before the Chaos Gods cast them into the mortal world? The Realm of Chaos. Guess who lived in the Realm of Chaos when the Elven pantheon was there? Ereth Khial the Elven Goddess of the Underworld and death.

>Darker still.

Nah, he never ordered the death of kids.

>He spared the men in Fantasy as soldiers, in 40k he gives NO fucks.

Bullshit. IG are torured into joining.

>Not darker.

Skarnsik is darker than any 40K book ever written. Fite me.

>>48391924
>Then Age happened.

Age is not part of the Elven cycle. If Chaos wins there, it is over forever.

>>48391993
"its body was covered in piebald fur and its legs were long and cloven. Looking up and down the river, the beast – with a long face and stubby horns of a nanny goat"

Sees like a smaller version of the Beastmen.

>The remaining greenskins were drunk. They had hauled the inn’s barrels out from its cellars and opened every one. Some had unruly lines of laughing greenskins waiting to take turns under the spigots. Others had their tops staved in, goblins scooping jugs into the liquid. Later I saw them do the same with the hollowed heads of the villagers, dirty green fingers hooked into bloodied eye sockets, the hair of their victims dripping beer down their stinking robes as they drank from the open brainpan. The headless corpse of a man, gutted as if he were a beast, turned on the spit in the fireplace. In a cauldron on a fire built in the corner of the room, I saw a seared hand struggle from under the lid; screams came with it as the poor fellow inside was boiled alive. The pot lid was banged back down and, thankfully, the screams died.

>They feasted on man and horse alike, gorging themselves on half-raw hunks of meat. The young of the village, squalling infants broiled like chickens

>they brought the women down later in the day. What they did, I will not speak of, but they understood well enough how to evoke anguish in the hearts of those men watching. When done with poor Esme and the rest, they raked the coals of the fire onto the floor. They dragged in the innkeeper’s son. To the wailing of terrible pipes they made him dance a jig barefoot on the coals. Every attempt he made to escape was met with a wall of spear butts. His screams were a terrible song. The greenskins found it hilarious, laughing and cheering and mimicking his agonised hopping. Eventually he could dance no more. He fell to his knees and howled. They dragged him from the coals, put out his eyes and pulled him away into the night. I never saw him again.

-"Skarsnik" novel

I bought the book because I wanted a novel about greenskins being funny. What I got was a horror story mixed with FEELS from start to finish.

>>48392033
Eh. If people can sexualize the Skaven, I can work with that.

>>48391871
A goat is fine, too.

>>48392083
>they brought the women down later in the day. What they did, I will not speak of, but they understood well enough how to evoke anguish in the hearts of those men watching.

Goblin rape and NTR? lol.

>>48391933
Finubar and Imrik were both very impressed by mankind. Teclis found them charming. Morathi was impressed by the vigor or WoC.
>>48392083
THAT shocks you?

What, were you raised in a Mormon community or something? You know you have to be 18+ to post on 4chan, right?

Besides, 40k still had worse. Thw cold detached realization during death that nothing is waiting for you, the betrayal of your faith, and the complete eradication of your entire civilization in less than a minute over the actions of one man.

I think 40k and fantasy are just as grimdark in their extremes. There is only so much torture and rape you can have to make a diffrence. But 40k has a much larger scale and seems a bit more hopeless a place to live in as an idividual then fantasy. I mean the higj elves of the inner princedoms are off pretty well and nobles in their castles in bretonnia and the empire seem to hold their own and as well as that the empire and estalia and tilea's cities are a good deal safer then 40k's cities. Also, travelling seems more dangerpus in 40k as you literally go through the warp. Mages seem more fucked in 40k too.

>>48390355

Some Bretonnian Lords are prudent enough to understand that mercenaries may be necessary at times, but they're really hush-hush about it.

One good example is that in Carcassone, the shepards there double as patrollers and border guards. So sometimes a Bretonnian Lord will get a company of mercenaries, give them a single sheep to care for, and occasionally and conveniently drop a bag of gold in front of them.

>>48392171
>THAT shocks you?

The point is that 40K does not go into detail about its horror and atrocities like fantasy does. Fantasy writers have a obsession with writing heinous shit in gory detail ergo sick fucks.

>>48392174
Life is short and cruel in Fantasy, life is short and pointless in 40k.

The "good guys" use you as currency in 40k. At least Fantasy has legitimate Good aligned heroes.

>>48386581
Why does GW care so little about their woodelves?

>>48392217
How does that make the setting darker? The fact that it happens offscreen?

>>48392224
>The "good guys" use you as currency in 40k
>40k
>Human life being worth anything

Hue.

>>48392224
Yeah, like mister "I will get my niece gruesomely tortured and murdered while I betray everyone and everything I held dear in order to sit a blood drenched tyrant on the throne"

Or

"I will cuckold my friend and liege, and then later allow myself to become the vessel of the Blood God-lite".

40K ill needs good guys like this.

>>48392217
Hahahahah, nope. That shit you placed there is pretty much the same kind of writing i find in the sci-fi equivalent. I read a decently light hearted story called Rynn's World whre ork bikers find a small town. They left one family alive and make the man slowly butn to death in front of his wife and children while they laugh and munch on whats left of the other villagers.

>>48392228
They want to sell expensive character models. Wood Elves were low number armies, and their characters never achieved the popularity of Archaon and Malekith.

That's why they gave Alarielle to them in Age. To sell the army through a posterboy. I mean thighs. I mean musclegirl. I mean female.

>>48392278
>tfw the Lady was a liar all along but Alarielle's hips don't lie

>>48392263
Tyrion was fucking Alarielle before Finubar was king.

Finubar and Alarielle were not husband and wife, its the job of the Phoenix King to make the heir of the Everqueen but it was never a requirement, only a tradition.

>>48392336
Regardless, Malekith called Finubar a cuck. literally.

So cucckoling happened.

>>48392263
Compared to literally Hitler "Mao" McStalin as your supreme ruler through militarily eliminating every single rival?

>>48392364
Yeah, and? That's the End Times lore where the prince of darkness was the champion of the god of light without changing the darkness part, and all of history is wrong because they wanted Anakin Skywalker to be the objectively right one as a tweest.

Also, in a 40k story about slaves on a Iron warriors planet, the slaves are fed the remains of the deceaced slaves as a way of efficently dealing with the amount of dead slaves. When the slaves need to defend they are also chained to their bunkers so they cannot run and are left to die there.
In another funny story of HH the results of a assault of still good guy Night Haunters. They absolutly slaughtered every single living soul in the city, left the bodies strewn about and made a giant pile of mutelated baby corpses.

>>48392364
Malekith,s mom fucks ever everything except him

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>>48391076
Those proportions are fucked.

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I personally think that 40k tries too hard - which can be enjoyable, but it feels like every attempt to make it feel more grounded deviates from what it is or where it started. WFB is a bit over the top, but feels more grounded as a whole, especially since in the beginning it was little more than a slightly more fantasy than reality, in that cheesy 80s way where everything was new and you didn't have to go over the top.

>>48392482
Or Malekith himself, who cucked basically every male Dark Elf. Which after the first generation, were his own kids.

>>48392602
We could probably update that image with AoS/End Times fags with the way these threads have been going.

>>48392638
Srsly.

Can't we discuss listbuilding anymore? What armies is everyone running? Any batreps?

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>>48390597
>Adrian Smith can't draw qts.
implying

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>>48393264

In WHFRPG 2e, if a beastman gains the Illusion of Normality mutation, do they appear as a human, or as a non-mutated Beastman?

>>48393366
they probably appear human

>>48393366
GM's Choice I'd imagine.

>>48392159
>goblin rape
Do goblins even have dicks?

>>48393443
Porbably not, that's why they are always angry. They probably only ate them alive or something.

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Is WFB's technology to steampunk level?

>>48393471
Yes, and no. Its tech is kinda back and forth what with brilliant minds often dying in horrible accidents or the engineer's college dismissing good ideas as crazy. The Empire does have homing pigeon bombs and clockwork horses.

>>48386610
High elves openly hate it
Dark elves openly love it
Wood elves are best because they like it but are humiliated and try to hide it

>>48393471
Its making its first forays into it.
The best engineering feats humanity has made are. All fourteen steam tanks and the robot horses.

Dwarfs are there, but the technogy is still in its infancy. They made a giant steamship aircraft carrier submarine that launches zeppelins, but only made one for example.

>>48393720
More like High Elves enjoy it behind closed doors between lovers, Dark Elves refuse to have it done to them and do it with a sharpened cheese grater in public on Boxing Day morning, and Wood Elves do it ritually as part of the celebration every Saturday of the conception of the first Elves between Isha and Kurnous with ample wife swapping and an arm wrestling match to see which of the two lovers dresses as Isha and which dresses as Kurnous.

>>48393471
The dwarfs are, with ironclads, submersibles, and gyrocopters being prevalent. There's a bit more obscure things mentioned in the background and novels like tanks, power armor, zepplins , automated weapons platforms and mechanical beasts, but dwarfish conservatism prevents them from going full tech mode.

Chaos dwarfs are even more advanced and don't care as much about tradition, but they combine daemons into a lot of their devices.

The empire is all over the place. They have the ability to make steam engines that fuel much if their industry and even their steam tanks, and mobile battle towers mentioned in the background. They also have some capability to make automatons, like the mechanical steed and the things in Pic related, and at least one source has an engineer invent a heavier than air flying machine.

Skaven are the most advanced, but they use warpstone in pretty much all of their devices, and most of their shit is haphazardly made and will glitch out at some point. But they've made everything from automatic weapons to power armor to lightning canons to rockets.

>>48393468
Probably sodomized them with objects, and/or cut off their breasts, etc etc.
Stuff like the Japanese did in Nanking

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>>48393860
If the Dark Elves hate it so much, why do they do it in public with a cheese grater?

I can understand the Wood Elves being serious about ceremony and ritual, especially because they're so in tune with the seasons, but High Elves don't seem like they enjoy anything crude.

>>48390196
>>48390338
>>48390371
>>48390534
>>48391889

>"Warhammer FRP isn't like D&D, and the monsters don't automatically carry gold and magic items. D&D is about quests for glory and riches; WFRP pretends to be the same, but in fact is about the PCs' day-to-day fight for survival in a universe that hates them. If you don't finish each adventure worse off than when you started it, your GM is doing something wrong. If you find yourself in a WFRP adventure and not knee-deep in shit then duck, because another load is past due." - James Wallis, founder of Hogshead Publishing, speaking on his work with WFRP 1ed in an open letter response in 2002.

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So are the Brets gonna get released on the 30th and can we cart dead grail knights around?

>>48392217

Dan Abnett - The Eisenhorn and Ravenor trilogies.

Both have scenes worse than Skarsnik. What happened to Ravenor himself being a good example.

>>48392217

I think that an even gorier moment from the Fulgrim book was the one woman who murderfucked some random dude and used his blood and shit to work on her painting.

>>48392004
>Skarnsik is darker than any 40K book ever written. Fite me.

In the third Night Lords novel the NL go to a planet that was once the legions sanctuary and find humans living there. They proceed to slaughter them mercilessly include descriptions of space marines bashing infants against walls and impaling children next to their flayed mothers.

>>48394544
There is a scene in one of the early Gaunts Ghosts novels were (i think it was) Laarkin is in a Chaos controlled hive, and walks into a room full of dolls nailed to the wall.. Then he notices they aren't dolls, and loses his shit

>>48391933
While Gotrek is never explicit about it, he clearly regards Felix as one of the finest human beings on the planet. He deems him an Oathkeeper and Dwarf-Friend, neither of which is said by any dwarf lightly.

Other dwarfs are similarly impressed by Felix when they found out he used a holy dwarf weapon, called on the dwarf gods, and got an answer.

>>48391985
There is a nice Chaos Warrior mod on the steam workshop, uses the model from the cannon crew, with armour and weapons from other units. Looks really nice and makes me excited for their eventual release

>>48394310
>uh, excuse me, you're playing the game wrong :^)

Yeah go jump into Gygax's grave.

>>48394310
Oh fuck off, he was talking about the setting as a whole and how it compared to 40k, not how it compared to D&D. Of course D&D is designed for high fantasy shenanigans, but people will use it for anything and everything.

>>48394764

It was a relevant quote from a good source to give Anon an idea on the mentality that went behind putting WFRP 1ed together, you fucking cock-bag.

Additionally, he was asking how Grimdark one should go for fantasy - not how it compared to 40k. His only reference to 40k was his assumption that they shared the same level of xenophobia - which is a fair one to make.

Go shove your head up your ass until you decide to shit out something that's contributing to the conversation, you fetid pile of dishcloths.

>>48393808
>Dwarfs are there, but the technogy is still in its infancy.
Tell that to the gyrocopter, it's literally a steam powered heli fueled by dwarf brewed alcohol.

>>48394740

To be fair, James Wallis was discussing a specific published adventure that if run just from the book would basically be pushing your characters from shitty situation to shitty situation.

>>48394855
I don't mind that, honestly, but you need some successes. Forlorn hope - rarely rewarded, always cherished - is what makes Warhammer its best.

>>48394624

Oh shit, yeah. That was dark. You could argue that Larkin is hardly a reliable narrator, but it doesn't change the fact that the author wrote the scene with that specific impression to mind.

Is it safe to conclude that both Fantasy and 40k are grimdark settings, but 40k can get away with atrocities in a huger scope because of the setting?

>>48394653

>"Sometimes I think there might be some dwarf blood in you, manling. Not that any of the elder race would stoop to such a mixed marriage."

Interestingly it also implies that half-dwarfs might actually be possible.

>>48394889
>Forlorn hope - rarely rewarded, always cherished - is what makes Warhammer its best.

Too true. It's the highs that really sell the lows.

You characters aren't walking knee deep in shit Konigstag night. They're doing it because no-one believes them when they say that rats that walk like men are sneaking into the orphanages and stealing away young children.

They lose limbs, suffer humiliation, die alone and unloved in the darkest corners of the earth because they know that to do otherwise would be unconscionable.

A hero in WFRP isn't the guy sitting on a pegasi leading a stampede of knights against dark horrors.

It's the guy who saved a little kid from turning to Chaos, even though it cost him his life.

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>You will never commit glorious Beastman and Fimir genocide, slavery and mass sterilization.
>You will never be able to turn the Beastmen and Fimir into dying races made up entirely of dickless slaves toiling away or serving as punching bags to be abused at your soldiers' leisure, all while slowly facing extinction because none of them are able to reproduce anymore.

>>48386820
>10 years
Wow i Didn't realize that army went so long without an update.

I'm going to assume it wasn't because no update was needed and the army was already perfect.

>What does 9th age currently lack?
>You can still use whfb8 or whfb7 or whfb6 or whfb5 books for your army if there's no 9age book for it right, it's just not ideal?
>Are they updating the stuff that's how the longest without a proper update to 9age first? Or are they doing it by popularity? Or by a poll? Or just whatever they feel like?

>>48394170
Because they're a race that fights for dominance.

They will never allow it to be used on them, you'll have to use force if you want to do it, and since they'll fight to the death and use every dirty trick you need to be the superior being in order to bend them into submission without killing them.

High Elves are canonically kinky as fuck, but they're stick up the ass political types as well. A bit of slap and tickle is fun, but only when the neighbors and servants won't find out. The only time High Elves are open about themselves in a less than dignified manner is in Avelorn or pre-Dark Elves Nagarythe. Mostly because Avelorn is the High Wood Elves, and Nagarythe is the High Dark Elves.

>>48394653
>neither of which is said by any dwarf lightly
The Dwarf in Vermintide does the same for the other characters. In fact, he actually does it on their first night together.

>>48395501
>he actually does it on their first night together
What a slut.

>>48395158
Beastmen will exist no matter what, because whenever the Chaos Winds blow or Morrslieb shines then animals and humans will mutate into something between the two.

But yeah, you could clean them from the planet for the most part.

>Eltharion will never wipe out the greenskins by luring them all to their certain doom

>>48395464
>I'm going to assume it wasn't because no update was needed and the army was already perfect.
Nope. It was because the Empire was the equivalent to the 40k Imperium, whereas Bretonnia is equivalent to the Sisters of Battle. Glorify the Germans, ignore the French, that's the Games Workshop way.


>What does 9th age currently lack?
Named characters. Some of the older Warhammer stuff like Dogs of War, Amazons, and the Forgeworld monsters.

>You can still use whfb8 or whfb7 or whfb6 or whfb5 books for your army if there's no 9age book for it right, it's just not ideal?
All 8e armies plus Chaos Dwarfs have T9A books, just not lore and artwork yet.
>Are they updating the stuff that's how the longest without a proper update to 9age first? Or are they doing it by popularity? Or by a poll? Or just whatever they feel like?
We're not exactly sure how they're deciding who to focus on.
We just know the next update is in September, and rumor is Ogres get the lore and art next.

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>>48395539
To be fair it seems he's an old ally of Kerillian's, and has a great deal of fondness for humans compared to most Dwarfs. I don't think any of them really like the Witch Hunter other than Bardin, actually.

>>48395158
Dumb frogposter has no idea how the faction works. Unsurprising.

>>48395607
What about not lore and art?

Aside from named characters, what stuff is missing from older editions?

>dogs of war
>amazons
>forgeworld monsters
>brettonians
What else haven't they covered that they should?

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>>48395658
>What about not lore and art?
All the factions already have rules. Mostly balanced, the next set of minor tweaks comes in September.

Bretonnia already has T9A rules.

I'd like to see some Mordheim models get rules for T9A like mercenaries.

>>48394826
Oh fuck you you son of a lahmian bitch, you - no wait, shit, I was wrong.

Fuck.

>>48395637
>an old ally of Kerillian's
I wish I was an old ally of Kerillian's.

Damn son, that voice.

>>48395501
Bardin is a bit unusual for a dwarf, in that he's a ranger. They're known to be a bit shifty by dwarf standards. That said, 'Dwarf-Friend' is a specific appellation, and drengbarazi is not its equivalent.

>>48395637
Bardin realizes the necessity of Saltzpyre, and he understands what drives him.

>>48395821

Doesn't Kerillian yell at Kruber for looking at her ass?

>>48396003
Honestly I have no idea, I haven't played nearly as much Vermintide as I would like.

I kind of wish there were those Dawn-of-War-style compilations with all a certain character's voice lines on youtube, but no such luck sadly.

>>48395725
What about the discontinued armies/warmaster armies, are any of them eventually coming to 9th age?
>dogs of war
>kislev
>araby
>albion, fimir, zoat
>hobgoblins
>ind
>cathay
>nippon
>norsca
>amazons
>pygmies

>>48386581
>9th Age

>>48396463
>Discontinued Armies

>What are your guys' thoughts on Mathias Eliasson's work over at the Warhammer Armies Project http://warhammerarmiesproject.blogspot.ca/ Including his take on WHFB 9e?

I like that he started with WHFB8e as a base, and then rounded out the army list significantly, covering pretty much everything they've released and discontinued.

I don't have enough WHFB experience to critique his 9th Edition or compare it to 9th Age though.

I suspect it would be pretty easy to mix and match between the two, however, if one has an army list you're missing, since they both have a WHFB8 base.

>>48396169
Shit, I've love to download all the lines for the Skaven.

>>48396806
Most of the fixes for T9A is in the core rules. The army books are mostly simplification and balance.

>>48397141
>Ask a question
>Get a seemingly unrelated comment with no explanation of how it relates to the question.
Nifty.

>>48386581
I've been reading about 9th age, and heard it suffers from serious design-by-committee, and the game is worse off for it,up-to and including people saying they'll be sticking with WHFB8th Ed, even if it is dead.

How accurate are the claims of design by committee making things worse?

In your opinion, what ways is it better/worse than 8th Ed?

Been away from WHFB since early 7th Ed, so I'm not familiar with either one.

>>48397176
In other words, the main draw of The 9th Age is that its really balanced. But since most of the balance was done through the core rules, you shouldn't have any difficulty using anything else made for 8th edition in 9th Age. All you need to know is what old rules became which new rules, which is extremely self-explanatory.

Come on, its not that hard to figure out what I was implying.

>>48386581
>>48396806
I'm a newbie contemplating into the hobby, never played before. Got some friends who are open to all kinds of different games, and they're typically up for whatever.

Anybody played all three of:
>Warhammer Fantasy Battles 8th Edition
>Warhammer Armies Project 9th Edition
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_Redi9cZJ5iaXVibWFOWWlnTTQ/view
>The Ninth Age
http://www.the-ninth-age.com/pdf/the-ninth-age_rules_1-0-0.pdf

Can I get a quick compare and contrast?

It *Appears* you could take any of the army books for any of them and use it with all three. That about right?

>>48397256
>How accurate are the claims of design by committee making things worse?
Depends on who you ask. The only complaint I've ever seen get repeated is that because a lot of things like random tables were removed, the game feels more simple. But I've seen as many people praise it for that as well.

>In your opinion, what ways is it better/worse than 8th Ed?
I can't think of any way that it's worse at all. But all the changes were okay I guess, my armies weren't really affected very much.

>Been away from WHFB since early 7th Ed, so I'm not familiar with either one.
A lot of people really hated 8e when it came out, but because it got so many 8e-only new models people were kind of stuck using it. T9A didn't just fix the balance issues in 8e, it fixed the balance issues in Warhammer in general.

>>48397322
>I was saying it's a rebalanced 8e, so any 8e content should work fine with it!
But I never asked if you could use 8e stuff with 9th Age. I had just assumed that anything designed for 8e would work with 9th age.

I was asking if anybody had played WAP9e AND T9A, and could give me a comparison of the two core rule books.

>>48397340
Pointing out the main areas they differ from 8e could be useful as well though.

>>48397371
>It's a better balanced version of 8th, and a bunch of the random tables are gone. It also fixes some issues warhammer has had for several editions.

Neat.

Do you think it's better as a core ruleset than say... 6th? Most of the people I know who have played warhammer tell me 6th is their favorite edition.

If it's not better than 6th, how doable would it be to use the 8th edition compatible army books with the 6th ed core rules? I know people use old army books with new core rules, so is the reverse possible?

Because between the 9th Age, Armies Project, and 8th edition itself, it seems like 8th has the best selection of armies, by far.

>>48397256
Sounds like a bunch of knee-jerk reactions, it plays fucking great. Got ~10 matches under my belt this year against 4 different opponents and they all seem to love it.

The loudest complaints about 8e were fixed (huge spells/casters in every game, sniper cannons, steadfast not being removed by a proper flank/rear charge etc.). Everything in my army book actually feels playable now. There's a lot less ambiguity in the writing, and combined with a searchable, well-structured PDF it's easy to look up rules mid-game.

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>>48397570
>9th age plays much better than 8th edition, like it a lot
Were you using your new list when you played it, or the 8th edition list?

Just curious.

>>48397667
9th Age core rules and 9th Age army list.

I don't really see the point in using old army lists for any of the main 16 factions anymore when the 9th Age ones exist. If you want to splice in one of the minor faction's rules or an old special character from 8e or a fandex, I wouldn't mind. A lot of rules have been tweaked back and forth but the fundamentals are still the same so the translation should be easy.

Me and a friend are planning on recreating one of the many Queek vs. Skarsnik battles by using their 8e rules but with 9e lists otherwise, as soon as we got everything painted up.

>>48397399
Oh. I thought you were asking if the WAP9e and T9A stuff would work together well. My mistake.

>>48397555
I think so. Hardcore 6e players probably won't since, like I said, T9A axed a lot of the tables and removed named characters. But it also brought back Bloodlines, gave an option to play Cathay, and lots of other nifty bits.

I'd say the balance in T9A is superior. Up to you if that's worth what was dropped.

>>48386581
New guy again.

So, I know you guys don't play age of sigmar. I get that you don't like the fluff.

But (Chaos Dwarves aside, which weren't in WHFB8 either)... it seems to include all the same factions as t9a.

What about the mechanics of AoS turn you off?

Are they poorly balanced?

Just Curious.

I'm in the middle of downloading the WHFB Trove, and grabbed the AoS stuff off the website, and grabbed the WAP stuff >>48396806 as well.

I have no idea what to start playing. The options seem pretty similar from an outside perspective (aside from a bunch of minor factions being added by WAP), and I don't know enough about the game mechanics to know what's better or why.

>>48398546
The game HAS no mechanics, or didn't at launch, and I don't care what mechanics it has now.

The new models are mostly ugly.

The setting is atrocious and the art is laughable.

>>48392721
the few times I've posted lists they've been totally ignored. Not even the customary "it's a shit list" comment.
I thin it just has fallen out of what people find interesting.

>>48398692
>Don't like the new models.
Okay.
>don't like the setting and art.
Fair enough.
>The mechanics were basically nonexistent at launch, and you haven't looked at it since.
There seems to be quite a bit these days, but again, not familiar with any of them at this point.

So basically you don't really have much to say about the game mechanics because you're unfamiliar with them?

>>48398728
I'm saying I looked at them at launch and they basically didn't exist, but the redshirts over AoS way have been screaming that their game now has rules, so it might have something resembling a system now.

That's a discussion for the AoS thread, however.

>>48398546

>What about the mechanics of AoS turn you off?

Coming from a Warhammer/Warmaster background, AoS felt very much like a skirmish game more akin to Mordheim/Necromunda but lacking the depth of character development that those systems had that gave them a depth of enjoyment.

>Are they poorly balanced?

At launch, certainly. The latest batch of Points Rules is moving towards trying to balance things out.

The basic difference between WHFB and AoS is that AoS is a lot more geared towards casual play.

The best I can describe it is that AoS is the Checkers to Warhammers Chess. Not saying one is better than the other, just that they are different game styles with one being a bit easier to pick up off the get go but the other having a greater tactical depth.

>>48399036
>More of a Skirmish game.
>Lacking the character advancement offered by Mordheim.
>Gradually Getting Better Balanced
Thanks! That's exactly what I was looking for.

>>48398814
I'm not going to get very useful responses if I go ask the AoS thread: Hey guys, what in your game is /worse/ than in WHFB.

In fact, when I asked them what made it better and what made it worse, they *ONLY* responded to what they thought made it better.

Hence the reason I asked the people who rejected the game for current examples of where that game is lacking.

>>48399338
>In fact, when I asked them what made it better and what made it worse, they *ONLY* responded to what they thought made it better.

I find it worrying when people who claim to be a fan or enjoy something can't point out flaws.

Like fuck, WHFB has plenty -

1. Massive edition creep swinging the priorities of battle between magic/hero/monster/cavalry/infantry. Depending on the editions you play, different unit types become more/less useful.

2. It's unsure of the niche it wants to fill. It should be for battles larger than warbands (Mordheim) but smaller than mass battles (Warmaster). It's specialist offshoots handle the different extremes fairly well, but Warhammer struggles (depending on edition) to handle the middle ground.

3. Stagnant story lines that pander to corporate moneymaking schills rather than the input of fans and the response of global campaigns.

And that's just off the top of my head.

>>48386581
Anybody have a less mangled scan of Blood in the Badlands, or a copy of Triumph & Treachery that's not missing a ton of pages?

>>48398728
If he doesn't like the new models, the new setting and art, and he doesn't like the new mechanics, why would he have any reason to like the new game?

>>48395551
Greenskinscan't be purged. The Old Ones tried and failed.

>>48399484
Actually, they told me fuck all. I got a "you won't be playing 9th age at a gw store", "good luck finding people to play with", and "the core rules are short, there's free rules for all 15 basic factions you already have minis for, better management, and the game's better for it."

>>48392171
>Finubar and Imrik were both very impressed by mankind. Teclis found them charming. Morathi was impressed by the vigor or WoC.
can you elaborate on this?
>>48392183
I would love to write a short story about some shepherds who deal with orcs on the side.

>>48399800
He said hes not familiar with the mechanics and the launch mechanics were basically nonexistent.

Since the question was specifically about the Mechanics and he stated in his reply that he didn't know the Mechanics, he didn't really have much of a response for "what about the aos mechanics turns you off of playing it"

>>48393271
who is this hard eyed qt?

>>48393366
Goat

>>48399492
The T&T PDF I have has all the rules pages, most of the book is just lore and pictures of models

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>>48399988
Asur scum
probably breeds with druchii as well

>>48400382
so, stop saying bad shit about my waifu
your waifu a shit. she probably fucks beastmen in the forest.

how did you guys get rid of slavposter?

>>48400672
Calling him out on being stupid and ruining threads even though we like discussing this game and its lore.

But now we have the 'Not Canon' guy to contend with. Like, what does he care what brand of camera we use?

>>48400702
Canon makes good cameras though.

>>48400672
We faked death
I can't wake up anymore though

So did archaon have kids or something?

>>48393871
I'm not sure I'd describe skaven as 'advanced', for the reasons you describe. It's kind of like 40K Orks in that their tech doesn't work because they've acquired the necessary (in-universe) knowledge to build things properly, but because plot magic makes it work. Don't think I've explained my opinion properly there but meh.

>>48400744
i think no?
>>48400747
they're advanced in the sense that they have made all the techy shit they have and they dont require plot magic to work, just that using space cocaine as the power source can be bad

>>48400747
The Skaven have a few brilliant minds but they are often assassinated for their inventions, which are left in the less capable hands of their killers. Sythar Doom, Warpmaster of Clan Skryre and Grey Lord during the time of the Black Plague, was one such skaven. He stole a number of inventions which didn't exactly pan out because he didn't know how they were meant to work, having murdered their inventors and taken credit for their work. One of them wasn't replicated until much later. I don't think he invented anything beyond his prosthetic heart with a dead-skaven switch.

>>48400758
ah fair enough, I always understood it that warpstone made it tick completely, rather than just powering the stuff.

Can anyone recommend what to take in an Ogre or Chaos Dwarf army list in 9th Age? Going up against this High Elves list, which might have a few minor edits by the time of battle but probably not many. 2000 points, don't know opponent's magical items. Consists of 30 sea guard, 10 sword masters, 10 flame wardens, 5 elein reavers, a sky sloop, 2 bolt throwers, a frost phoenix, a high prince on a dragon and a L2 mage. Any tactics will also be appreciated.

>>48400839
>I always understood it that warpstone made it tick completely, rather than just powering the stuff.
It powers the stuff to the point it either works brilliantly or works catastrophically

The skagen do have technological knowledge at the Base of the things, but it's been built trough errors, misconceptions and barely understood instructions rather than careful planning and the study of each component in motion

Wait, GW does not longer make Khemri figures?

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>>48401338
Nope. They're dead as, well, Nehekhara. Same with Bretonnia.

>>48400672
He went to troll Infinity threads.

hey, /tg/ one of my little brothers is pestering me about starting playing whfb.
Probably because lately he's been seeing me painting a lot of stuff.

Do you guys know where to still buy some 8th edition army books? I'd love to get him one for his birthday

>>48401788
Probably Amazon. That's where I got my copy of the WFRP 2nd edition rule book.

>>48400722

Give me Nikon or give me Death.

>>48400747

The Skaven have an entire underground railway network. They are advanced as fuckery.

>>48401788

I'd honestly recommend just downloading the rulebooks and printing them out and binding them for a fraction of the cost.

I kinda want to shamelessly rip off a villain from another source who uses a maze-like traveler's hotel to harvest body parts from specific people, consume them, and thereby remain youthful/tweak their own physical attributes.

I figure such a character is secretly a warlock of some sort, but is that more of a Chaos lore thing or a Necromancy lore thing?

>>48401898
nikon's cool

>>48401933
>I figure such a character is secretly a warlock of some sort, but is that more of a Chaos lore thing or a Necromancy lore thing?

Could go either way depending on origin. If they're a self-motivated go-getter, Necromancy. If they take hand-outs, Chaos.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/aos_warscrolls/FW_AOS_Matched_Play_.pdf

FW have uploaded points for tamurkan, azghor and arcanum.

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>>48386869

>>48401981
I am a giant faggot who cannot ctrl+F properly disregard

>>48392315
what does that mean?

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Border Princes or Mousillon?

>>48402068
Where to vacation? We need some more context.

>>48402068

Mousillon if you want to work for someone else, Border Princes if you want to be your own boss.

>>48402089
As a place for adventure.

>>48402116

Do you want horror, corruption and intrigue or terror, duplicity and maneuvering?

>>48402068
Border Princes have greenskins and some tomb kings. I think it is more fun.

>>48402116
Border Princes. There's a lot of variation between princedoms, some that are cities in their own right, some that are just a burning shack and a guy with a handful of poorly dressed thugs.

Mousillon has a few story elements already tied into it, so there's less wiggle room when it comes to plots and enemies. I wouldn't call it off completely, but the Border Princes has more freedom to run any kind of adventure as well as make up shit.

>>48391906
>>48392004
>>48394609

What's the line considered in this type of humor?

>>48402232

Refuge in audacity?

Are there any good sources about the Border Princes, anyway? The WFRP 2e book is mostly about making up your own kangdumz.

>>48402451
The Lure of the Lich Lord had a few princes, I think.

>>48386581
My friend says Warhammer is fundamentally pessimistic and nothing truly nice can happen in this universe. Is she right?

>>48398546
I refuse to touch it until they say Warhammer Fantasy exists and apologize to the fans.

They don't even have to out out new content. Give the 8e book as a free download and say Age is an alternative universe from Fantasy rather than a continuation.

>>48402502
It's a nobledark setting, like the first Dark Souls, with some periods of grimdark (especially when less competent writers are involved).

>>48399972
Fonubar was the first High Elf to explore the modern world. High Elves thought humans were still cavemen, the colonies wiped out, and Dwarfs as drooling retards. He found Brets like High Elves JR, the Empire as respectable, Wood Elves as creepy and insane, and Dwarfs as a lot better than anyone said.

Teclis was Goodbye Mr. Chips for many generations.

Slaanesh Morathi thought humans were numerous and ugly like maggots, but had a magnificence in Slaaneshi elegant brutality as the heavies to her elites.

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>>48399988
Art of this model. For the card game I think.

>>48400382
Stop saying bad shit about your new queen, peasant.
>>48400672
We reported him every time he tried to troll.

>>48402502

Warhammer is ultimately a closer reflection to our own existence than most people care to believe. At the end of the day, the universe does not care about those that inhabitants and the setting is only what it's inhabitants make of it.

>>48402502
>Is she right?
That depends. Is she cute?

>>48402582
>nobledark
Interesting! I didn't know the term.
>>48402703
I see your point but real life doesn't have chaos gods. We do have climate change though...
>>48402730
She's... normal I guess?

>>48402761
>She's... normal I guess?
Then she has a normal, if not entirely comprehensive view of warhammer. It's a very grim setting, but has room for pessimism and optimism depending on the time and place you're observing.

For every dark age, there's an age of resurgence. If it was nothing but shit all the time, there'd be no civilization left.

>>48402761
How does she respond to spankings?

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>>48402761

>>48402804
Hmm that makes sense. I'll look up those ages of resurgence.
>>48402838
I have no way to know that, anon.
>>48402840
Thank you!

>>48402861
In theory, Warhammer should be the same. Nurgle represents the stagnation and fall of civilization, Khorne its destruction, Tzeentch the hope and rebuilding, and Slaanesh the excess of the golden age in a cycle. But GW ripped Moorcock's Chaos enough to have an apocalypse. But unlike Moorcock's Chaos, Warhammer Chaos doesn't lose by winning and cause a reboot of reality because of shitty Chaos-obsessed writers without any actual writing talent.

>>48402861
The textbook example would be the whole situation around Magnus the Pious. Dude basically rebuilt the Empire from the ground up after kicking the chaos invasion to the curb.

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>>48402761
>I see your point but real life doesn't have chaos gods

You keep believing that.

>>48402914
Also, he tried to finger Genevieve even though he knew she was a vampire.

>>48402946
What does Greasus have to do withDaemons?

>>48402761
"Nobledark" settings are one where things are bad and getting worse, but people still hold on and fight the good fight anyway. It's why the Imperial Guard in 40k has so many fans.

>>48403069
But the Guard is as grimdark as it gets.

Nobledark is when you can actually make a change for the better, score a permanent victory and improve the world for the better. The Guard is about one more day, at the cost of billions.

The Noble/Grim axis refers to the ability of protagonists to make a positive change. Settings doomed by fate and circumstance are by default Grim, settings with a cycle where evil never triumphs over good are Noble

The Dark/Bright axis is how fucked up the world is. The level of depravity of the villains, how widespread suffering is, the degree of empathy felt by the common man towards their fellows.

>Noblebright
Tolkien
>Nobleneutral
Greyhawk
>Nobledark
Game of Thrones
>Neutralbright
Faerun
>Neutral
Real life
>Neutraldark
Vampire: The Masquerade
>Grimbright
Shadowrun
>Grimneutral
Ravenloft
>Grimdark
Warhammer 40000

>>48403596
>Noblebright
Undertale
>Nobleneutral
Castlevania
>Nobledark
Dishonored
>Neutralbright
The Elder Scrolls
>Neutral
Dark Souls (The bright is the time between games, we never get to see it but its there)
>Neutraldark
Fallout
>Grimbright
Final Fantasy
>Grimneutral
Bloodborn
>Grimdark
Outlast

>>48402861
>I have no way to know how she respond to spankings
there is one very simple way
just spank her

>>48393468
The book states in multiple passages that Goblins are capable of pissing so they have to have some mushroom head in their trousers.

As for what they did to those women, Goblins are infamous for their cruelty against things weaker than themselves or made helpless.

>>48404271
congrats you scared another femanon away
fucking nerds

>>48403069
eh, the guard has average joe, billybob, and the like fighting against the grim darkness of the far future with their squad.

>>48406206
>and the like fighting against the grim darkness of the far future with their squad.
Backed up by the best tanks in the universe and also tactical nukes, I might add

>>48406150
What femanon? They were talking about a female friend of anon, but there was no girl in the conversation right?

I fucken love ogres
I wish I was an ogre

>>48406671
read these posts:
>>48402502
>>48402761
>>48402861
its very obvious they were written by a girl

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>>48406341
>tfw no baneblade 205
Rip Schultz, you died a hero.

>>48406871
I post like that sometimes and I have a dick

>>48406955
then why would you write like a girl

>>48406938
>Wehraboo: The Mission

>>48407025
eh, Schultz was a badass even in the vanilla game, and Voss was a god tier general
would follow into the eye of terror/10.

Also some early well trained krauts worked pretty well against the soviets before running out of supplies.

>>48406971
I never got the memo.

>>48407078
are you one of those fembois characters?

>>48407121
no, just a guy who apparently writes like a girl because he uses punctuation.

>>48407063
Schultz is a character who shouldn't have even existed in the vanilla game.

>>48407142
>shouldn't even have existed
he was the tiger ace who raped baker company's ass so hard, able got called in to do the job.
he was a pretty good relic villain. Conti watching the destroyed tiger was god tier.