>setting develops bullets >armor gets better to compensate

>>48349039
No idea.
Your idea already stretches so far outside the bounds of conventional physics as we understand them that you might as well be asking "what if literally everyone and everything could fly?" or something similar.

In other words, we can give you a vague guess but it'd be a pretty shaky one because truly projectile invulnerable armor would logically be invulnerable to most other forms of harm as most other forms of harm operate on identical principles, that if you dump enough kinetic energy into something it either breaks or dies.

1. weakpoints in the joints or whatever
2. dunemode where the armor really is impenetrable but it unwieldy for regular use for whatever reason

>>48349039

Bullet technology would look into ways to bypass armor, such as shooting contained miniature black hole tipped rounds or mono-molecular shot. Then armor would have to up its game by developing reality shifting weave and such.

Up to you. Given that you're writing the setting, the laws of physics and the rules of the world are entirely in your hands. There's no reason to adhere to strict realistic standards, despite what a decently sized chunk of /tg/ thinks. I'd go with whatever seemed cool and created interesting combat scenarios for people to enjoy.

>>48349039
It's pretty damned hard to make armor that can protect a wearer against shaped charge warheads.

>>48349039
Now?

We fuck.

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>>48349079
>what if literally everyone and everything could fly

YES

WHAT IF??

>>48349144

Too bad, my armor is impenetrable!

>>48349106

Mono-molecular shot with time delayed black hole generation.

Fucking metal.

>>48349136
This is going off of whatever physics, so if we have armor that generates a null field and disperses all kinetic force into another dimension it's no longer an argument.

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>>48349039

>not familiar with Red Queen theory

Behold, a plebian.

>>48349161

Is... that what I fucking think that is?
Future dark age castles mixed with flying castle ships?

Fucking christ thats awesome.

>>48349039
This happened in real life, idiot.

The fatal conceit you make is that full plate is actually good armor to begin with.

You'd end up looking like a bomb defusal squadmember. Not a fucking knight.

There are ways you can conceive of armour that's virtually invulnerable to ranged attacks without it being literally invulnerable.

A classic idea is the incredibly strong, dense and tough super-metal which is so incredibly expensive that making bullets out of it just isn't viable on a large scale. You might have the very occasional sniper used to take down a high profile target, but generally the only way to bring down someone in armour of the substance is close combat, using a melee weapon of the same substance which is capable of damaging the armour, or relying on blunt force trauma, electricity or fire to try and bypass their defences up close.

>>48349039
I guess people stop using projectile weapons and it's RIP AND TEAR melee all the time? Assuming somehow a dude can swing a melee weapon hard enough to get through this nigh-on invulnerable armor.

Or people don't settle shit with wars, but like some lameass shit like rap battles or dance-offs.

Whatever will make you most happy, really. It's your bullshit setting, OP.

>>48349039
Microwave guns.

>>48349039
You attack your enemy with things that wreck the dude inside the armor without having to pierce the armor. Poison gas, radiation, heat, restraining him until he surrenders or starves, etc.

>>48349206
>This happened in real life

please show me which army I can join to wear armor that is impenetrable by bullets, lasers and other projectile weapons then.

>>48349247

Think he's referring to medieval armor vs. bows then crossbows.

>>48349174
Yeah lets just take energy from our dimension and dump it into another one. What could possibly go wrong?

>>48349279
>"QUIT DUMPING SHIT IN OUR DIMENSION YOU DAMN FLESHBANGS"
>universe-wide nuclear explosions

>>48349295
>campaign is over, players super-armor has saved the day

>invasion by parallel dimension, pissed off because of all the ordinance they had dumped on them

I like this.

>>48349318
>phase shifting weapons
>probability altering weapons
>extra dimensional bombs
>space-time translating your target into the sun

How would you fight such monsters.

>>48349350

By building monsters of your own.

>>48349350
Biological warfare.

>>48349039
But there is no such thing as impenetrable armor. It is much easier to develop a piercing kinetic projectile than it is to create an armor that is light enough to be carried by an unaugmented human, and invulnerable to such arms.

>>48349039
I read a short Science Fiction story based around a concept like this. It basically involved small groups of corporate, bio-engineered soldiers teleporting to new planets so that they could kill any opposing corporate soldiers and claim the planet. Armor was effectively impervious to bullets so they would just beat each other to death with mediaeval weapons. Wouldn't strongly recommend it, but it was called Ymir Forgotten if anyone wants to look it up.

>>48349381
What if augmented humans in heavy armor becomes the norm? Then we can introduce the lightly armored, unaugmented troops who have a speed advantage.

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>>48349360
>>48349373

>>48349400
>50 story tall single cell monster

>better armor = bigger and heavier armor

why is this always the same conclusion? Better armor would be the same protection or more at the same weight or less, and then you can upscale it. But the main reason we don't have GI's running around in EOD suits is because of weight. Better armor would have to weigh less in order to be truly better.

>>48349400
>this is bacteria

>that shoots fuckin' lasers from its nucleus

>>48349427

It could also just weigh the same but provide more protection.

>>48349039
Mega-damage Weapons

>>48349432
>the laser impacts generate more laser bacteria

>>48349279
Klein fields?

>>48349413
>>48349432
Project Lazmoeba is go.

>>48349039
people who cant afford armor will simply stay very far away from anyone they cant harm, and focus on the people they can

people who have to go head-to-head will treat armored people as just armor, and deploy anti-tank weapons on them, like special designed AP missiles

>>48349039
Mini-nukes on a stick

>>48349039
Blunt force trauma still work OP?

>>48349247
Bulletproof vests exist, imbecile.

>BUT IT'S NOT LIKE I PICTURED IT IN MY HEAD

And?

>>48349526
>bulletproof

>impenetrable

>>48349526
Ooh, somebody's salty!

Better hope nobody shoots at your bulletproof vest with lasers, now. Lasers aren't bullets, you see.

>>48349136
Ablative armor designed to explode and push the molten charge away from the armor? Would work once, just like tanks have now.

>>48349039
Sonic guns that shoot out the resonant frequency of the human spine.
They melt you

>>48349612
Just imagine what the wearer would feel though.

Both physically and emotionally. The shock, the searing heat, the stench of various explosive residues, the adrenaline. The kinetic force throwing you rolling across the ground.

I'm getting excited.

>>48349184
What is red queen theory?

>>48349039
Clausewitz said that firepower is matched by mobility. So probably detection, prevention, avoidance, maybe stealth? Drone swarms and other forms of effective distraction come to mind. Either way, indirect combat would ramp up to match direct combat.

Microwaves, roast the fuckers inside their armor

>>48349039
>armor is impenetrable by ... projectile weapons
But not by other armor! Thus the heavily-armored warriors of the far future of the setting launch themselves from cannon-railguns towards the enemies, hoping that their armor holds against theirs, and pulverizing the enemy where they stand!
Of course, the other side also have the same idea, so you'll see a literal rain of men and cannon fodder in battlefields.

>>48349681
>But not by other armor!

Here is a man who thinks with his head!

>>48349681
So, heavy metal jousting?

Now I'm just imagining knights in power armor riding turbojet sky bikes with artillery lances that they trigger just as they connect with each other.

>>48349039
Generally, world building questions like this are answered by resource rarity. Perhaps you have a setting that has little in the way of cobalt or tungsten so combating heavy armored infantry with infantry is more expensive then it is useful. Which would make power armored infantry effective and commonplace but the means to combat them reliant on air to ground warfare and mechanized mobile units like tanks which can be just as mass produced as the armor they battle?

This brings up the question of "well why isn't everyone in tanks then?'" Well, perhaps environment can be an answer to that? power armor is easier to use in forested areas or specifically tight urban sprawl and perhaps this setting does not have the technological means to drop tanks from the air yet.

>>48349039

Wait for them to take it off, of course.

>>48349039
Armor doesn't and hasn't ever provided perfect protection against the weapons in common use at the time.

So nothing happens, because the scenario you proposed wouldn't ever happen to begin with.

>>48349039

You can't move and die of suffocation/heat exhaustion.

>>48349588

please show me which army I can join to shoot lasers then.

>>48349039
I pull out a fucking flamethrower.

>>48349039
Mortar bombardment

>>48349830
http://www.popsci.com/chinese-soldiers-have-laser-guns

>>48349039
>Armor made of Immovable Rods
What now, /k/?

Knock em onto their backs

>>48349184
Hypothesis.

It is not a theory.

You dingus.

>>48349194

...Isn't what you just said 40k?

>>48349660
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen_hypothesis

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>>48349039
Alternatively, dig holes.

Also flamethrowers and Molotov cocktails. Cook them in their armor.

Cost. Your fancy impossible armour is probably expensive as fuck.

Definitely not melee weapons, that's fucking retarded.

Guns firing tangling nets made from the same magic material as your faggoty armour.

>>48349039
World Peace?

World Peace.

>>48349039
You know what works better than any bullet or laser and can have the payload to punch through armor? A missile fire from halfway across the world.

>muh missile defense system
These don't work too well in real life, but let's say they do in your setting. What if they fire a hundred missiles?

What if they trick you into thinking they fired a hundred missiles and then you find out you wasted all your money on stupid crap you didn't need?

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>>48349948

This. Werf the shit out of their flammen until you smell ribeyes.

That would actually make an interesting rock-paper-scissors dynamic: flamethrower cooks suit-wearer, suit-wearer is invulnerable to guns and bullets, guns and bullets can detonate fuel-packs of flamethrowers.

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>>48349039
You make a game based around peaceful debate and political discourse as war has become pointless. Your characters goals are to enter the realm of debate their cause.

The projectile weapons improve again, obviously, until they can penetrate armor again.

>>48350211

>Gothic
>Dark Age

Besides, we all know the ships in 40k are churches.

EVERYTHING is a church in 40k.

Even the fucking gun emplacements.

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>>48349039
>The imprenetrable armor becomes extremely valuable and highly prized, so it's worn only by the wealthy and the most elite of units
>The rank-and-file grunts keep shooting at eachother with bullets while powersuitfags whack at eachother with maces
>Some English sheepshaggers will pretend a thousand years later that their bullets could penetrate three suits of power armor at the same time, and will cite a battle in which nobody died due to bullet wounds as proof

>>48349400
KOMM SUSSER TOD

>>48350058
You fly off into space.

Guns and amour become so fucking expensive that all wars boil down to one man wearing the armour vs one guy using the gun

After each round they switch items

>>48350850
But what if you coat the fuel pack in same bullshit invulnerability? Then it's just flamethrower vs flamethrower.

Or plasma spewer given that we're going scifi.

>>48351823
That's why I'm telling you, turn the flamethrower into a rocket jetpack.
That way, when an armored soldier wants to crash into the enemy lines, they don't need the cannon-railguns!
Or better yet, get two of them, a normal flamer in front, and a jetflamepack behind!

looking at this wants me to play degenesis rebirth
never gonna happen

>>48349039
Armored wrestling.

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>>48349039
>>48349079
So the Three Rocketeers then?

>>48349039

My rp setting have a different tackle on it.

>Magic is a multiplier power, and the less moblie parts, the better.

This means that guns and shit, while powerful, cannot bypass armor, magically enhanced melee weaponry becomes the norm, however only things like battleship shells can harm magic plate, this way, convential gunfights become something for foot soldiers

Of course, arms and magic remain expensive and rare, and only nobles and shit would able to field full plates of magic armor, foot soldiers are on similar position as the guard in 40k

>>48349039
Armor weights. It always weights. And basic ballistics says - it's easier to develop better guns than better weapon

In short - your idea makes no sense.

>>48349039

Maybe nonconventional warfare becomes more common. I mean, it kinda doesn't matter how impenetrable your armor is if someone fills the room with killing gas, or sets the area in enough fire to give you a heat stroke inside your armor. In such a case, guns probably become more of a sidearm to finish someone off once you have them unconscious and can unlatch a bit of the armor.

>>48349039
Clearly the bullets get better so they are capable of piercing the armour.

>>48350058
How can you move?

90% of war doesn't even revolve around shooting mans anyway. Can this uber-armour protect farms, factories or cities? No? Then its strategic value is extremely limited.

>>48352626
Depends on the style and doctrine of warfare used by the parties involved

>>48349039
How much does that armour cost and weigh though?

>>48349398
They probably wouldn't have a speed advantage unless they were also similarly augmented. What they WOULD be is dramatically cheaper to arm, supply, and deploy. If you want speed, look into motorized infantry instead of people.

>>48352620

By making the universe around you move?

>>48352539
you mean like magic or something?

If we can't kill their soldiers, we kill them before they can become soldiers.

Cripple their ability to feed themselves, poison their land, collapse their mines, blow up their homes.

Alternatively, if we can't penetrate their armor, we wait for them to leave it, or kill them before they can get in.

>>48349039
>armor too heavy to move about it
>world too dangerous to take it off
>hang some nice curtains inside the faceplate and install a minifridge

>>48351611

>t. frenchman still butthurt about agincourt

>>48349039
You shoot the armor operator when he's taking a shit or when he's eating.

>>48351352

Slums in 40k are pretty much slums today except they're built inside of other fuckhuge constructions

>>48349039
>now what?
Quantum tunnelling allows the bullets to phase directly through matter, including whatever armor you come up with.

>>48354623
Eventually, Magenta-Magenta stopped thinking

>>48349039

Well, in 40k they have terminator armor against which bullets basically don't do shit so they invented

>power hammers to crush to occupants
>blades with matter disruption fields
>microwave guns
>heatwave guns
>gravity chuckers
>time manipulation weaponry

And a bunch of other shit even worse than that.

>>48349039
Everyone throws money at the development of energy weapons.

>>48352717
If magic is a factor, it can be applied to both armour and bullets. Meaning it changes nothing in the equation in the end

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>>48350257
>World Peace?
US military developed the Glitterboy power armor and for one glorious day their forces were completely unstoppable. Then the nuclear war started and everyone died.

>>48350257

What do you think armor that good costs? It'll just mean the one sided extermination of opposition, which will result in them destroying food and water production because that's the only thing they can do.

>>48354912

Take a this post of mine, there is a system that ensures how much power can be applied to an object.
>>48352493

>>48349174
surely I use that for a warhead instead, send a 1' sphere to another dimension with a single use device.

>>48349210
why not a flamethrower, choke the bastard out from 20 yards.

>>48351811
Immovable Rod is immovable relative to what?

>>48349194
Try Fading Suns. It's literally that without 40k sillyness.

>>48349210
Or extremely concussive force, enough to rattle the brain stem.

Supersonic weaponry, dropping them in a hole they can't get out of, dropping them to the bottom of the sea, dropping them from an extreme height, atmospheric reentry.

Anything that has to do with falling really.

>>48349161
> Giant ships
>Giant gate
What is the point of having a giant wall if you have the technology to allow thousands of people to fly over it at the same time?

>>48355756
For conventional warfare?

Maybe they're gliders that can't fly too high?

Maybe artist was retarded?

Depends on how wide spread and expensive the armour is to make. If its hard to manufacture, maintain, etc. then economic exploitation becomes the mainstay of whoever has the monopoly on the super armour, backed up by the invincible soldiers. Perfect defence is mostly so you can be offence whenever you want. Everyone else has to turn to asymmetrical warfare, terrorism, sabotage, etc. to target the cost of maintaining the monopoly, injuring and killing armour pilots when they're not in armour sleeping/fucking. Can't wear it all the time.

Specific tactical engagements are the people with super defence murdering anyone who is dumb enough to fight directly. Insurgents mostly trying to explode buildings and drop enough heavy shit on the armour suit so it's immobilized, incapacitated, bends the human inside badly, etc. Minimum it'll cost too much eventually and the monopoly holding force makes some sort of beneficial agreement with local powerbloqs.

If the armour capacity is spread between more than one power, its pmuch like that but also coldwar proxy fights between smaller representatives because full war would mean blowing up enough stuff to immobilize and starve enough humans trapped in armour that there wouldn't be anything not blown up.

Not that much different than now really. The ratio of occupier to occupied casualties would be even more fucked, but that's rarely stopped a determined occupied area from just taking the hits until its too expensive and the occupiers leave.

>>48349039
Only one problem with that.

The arms race never ends.

>>48349039
I dunno, but I do enjoy it when you end up with technoknights like the image in the OP.

Maybe a material that can only be penetrated by something also made of that material, but it isn't suitable for use in bullets or projectiles because [reasons], so you end up with knights who hard-counter enemy guns, but generally spend the battle duking it out with enemy knights while the gunners shoot each other.

>>48349039
>setting developed bullets

>armor gets better to compensate

>bullets get better to compensate

>the mad smith Ragenveld seals himself within a suit of armor of his own creation, that centuries later we have still yet to develop a technology that allows us to do harm to. Legends passed down from father to son say that the kings of the time tried pitfall traps, fires, and floods to stave off his terrible fury, but all for naught. He rampages the land, a single crusader for an insane cause of bloodlust beyond ken of mortal men, and we know now that not even the cruel ravages of time will slow his journey. When Ragenveld is sighted approaching a town, it is all anyone can do to simply gather what they have within arms reach, and start running in different directions. They say that he wasn't always as fast as he is now.

>>48349079
>No idea.
>Your idea already stretches so far outside the bounds of conventional physics as we understand them that you might as well be asking "what if literally everyone and everything could fly?" or something similar.
"Hey guys, let's brainstorm on how an interesting fantasy setting might work!"
"No, fuck you, I hate fun."

>>48356115
>The arms race never ends.
just like real life?

>>48356211
I like it.

>>48349210
I'm a fan of the "personal force fields that only repel objects above a certain speed" myself. I think it was one of the Mass Efffect codex entries that explained that you don't want your force field activating when you try to sit down in a chair (since it would register the chair as an incoming object), so they're only calibrated to activate when something is approaching with a certain amount of speed.

Tweak that for a pseudo-fantasy setting, and you've got "armor" that protects against projectiles and probably certain types of melee weapons (the tip of that greatsword is probably moving pretty damn fast, after all), but is still vulnerable to just getting in close and stabbing you to death.

>>48356211
Guy has to eat

or maybe we can BORE him to death. Not the drilling kind. If we make every settlement mobile and faster than him, we cam ensure he gets so BORED in his armor that he comes out.

>>48349039
>bullets, lasers and other weapons cannot penetrate the armor

>BUT A WOMAN CAN

If the armour is impervious to damage and is still somehow mobile, then we should just develop explosive and concussive weaponry and literally blow them away whenever they come near.

If the force of the explosion doesn't kill them from the impact, they'll have to get up and start charging again. Then we can just blow them away again.

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>>48349161
You'd have to attach everything to the walls so your keyboard doesn't float away from you.

>>48349039

You mount bigger guns on treaded vehicles, and the cycle begins anew.

I swear OP, it's like you're some kind of brainless faggot.

>>48356409

No, OP went full retard when he called lasers 'projectile' weapons.

>>48349039
>now what?
Sonic weapons tuned to make that super armor vibrate like a fucking bell. Imagine what happens to a human body bouncing around inside it's armor

>>48356451

You could have their 'shield' be something like the Bloodless from Kingkiller Chronicle.

Basically, most available magic in the setting works off of forming sympathetic bonds with shit and then transferring or transforming energy between them to achieve an effect. Voodoo doll-esq magic that obeys conservation of energy and has ineffecient transmission.

A device that gets invented in the setting in a sort of lantern looking thing that has very tightly wound springs and hammers within it, that reacts to metal and wooden projectiles that enter its range to establish a sympathetic connection at sufficiently high speed, and then tips a hammer to slam down like a mousetrap. The kinetic energy of the hammer gets transferred out of the lantern and into the projectile as an opposing force, causing the arrow/bullet to either stop in place and fall to the ground or get knocked away from the lantern in a deflecting direction.

This is great for protecting you from an ambush, but has the considerable downside of only being able to protect you from as many ranged attacks as your Bloodless has wound hammers. Once all of your hammers have been tripped, it offers no protection whatsoever until you re-wind them, a process that is basically a full-body exercise that you have to painstaking repeat for each hammer. Not exactly the sort of thing you can usually do in the middle of a fight.

So what you do is you have the army carry around a few such devices, with knights having versions of them built into their armor. The ones that the army carries can probably block 8 -12 shots, but they can dedicate soldiers whose entire job is to re-wind the hammers in the middle of the battle, hopefully resetting the defense as fast as you take shots.

The ones built into the knights armor can probably only stop 2 or 3 projectiles, and they cannot reasonably expect those to get reset without a break. But enough to even the odds against and enemy and prevent you from getting ganked.

Armor will always have hinges or joints to allow the human body to move. Those will always be weaker spots to attack. History has always shown this.

>>48350850
>>48351823
Flamethrowers used diesel fuel and compressed nitrogen for the express purpose of not detonating when shot

>>48356679

Stealing this for sword and planet ancient alien empire weird artifact.

>>48349350
>How would you fight such monsters.
Through fighting spirit.

>>48350890
>stars aren't Jewish

>>48356456
>Every town and city rises on mechanical legs, and patiently walks away from Ragenveld, slightly faster than he can run

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>>48349039
>invulnerable armor
Whatever material the armor is made of can also be used in bullets to break said armor.

Make the armor big and thick enough to become again invulnerable to the common weapons that can damage it and the opposition will just make a bigger bullet to break it again.

Eventually there will be a point that the idiots employing heavy armor either lose the war or give up and just go back to cheap mass production like everyone else and try to win the war through damaging the industry of the enemy.

>>48349039
An idea:

Take this basic premise, and ground it in some kind of historical context, so we've got an actual solid scenario to discuss.

Like, I dunno, maybe this was the the answer to the grind of WW1's trench warfare. Or maybe this kind of armour was developed in the lead-up to WW2, as Hitler saw value in armoured ubersoldaten, and pushed for their development alongside his other historical wonder-weapons. Then the Allies built similar gear, and Europe became clogged with brawling mecha-knights.

Or maybe it's a post-WW2 setting, where nukes were never invented (and the US stormed Japan with legions of super-armoured Marines or something). Now it's NATO versus the USSR in a new Cold War, both sides trying to close the "armour gap", and fighting vicious proxy wars across the globe.

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>>48356873
>Eventually there will be a point that the idiots employing heavy armor lose the war

He's right you know

>>48349039
Okay, so, what if you take one guy with this armor and he uses it to punch another guy wearing the same armor? Use the armor to break through the armor.

>>48349612
>>48349644
The explosive counterforce required to defeat an impacting warhead would turn whomever was inside the armor into jelly. A lot of people don't realize that concussive force (which easily transmits through solid armor plating) is the primary killer in regard to explosives, and it doesn't matter how indestructible your armor is if it doesn't have a huge amount of mass to absorb the shock. For example, cars aren't made out of steel anymore because--while the car would remain intact--the force of a high-speed collision would liquefy any passengers. Modern cars are made of weaker aluminum that contains intentional crumple zones to absorb all that force, so while the car is completely totaled, the passengers have a greater chance to survive. However, if this principle was used in human-shaped armor, all your limbs would still be crushed, making it a moot technology.

>>48359553
So as far as you are concerned, armor that allows a single man to survive most of the shit a modern army can throw at him is not just imposable, but literally inconceivable and impossible in settings where it is explicitly possible.

Quantum decoherence weapons. Doesn't matter how good your armor is, it's still made of atoms.

>>48349705
Don't be silly!

It's much better to strike with your feet! Much more nonessential limb to go through before you die!

>>48350850
Flamethrowers don't work on heavy enough armor that is fully sealed.

>>48350890
I don't know why, but that "flag" makes me irrational angry.

>>48349039
People find other, subtler ways to kill people.

>>48359756
Well..yes, in a real physics setting. You'd need some kind of inertial manipulation or magical shock buffering.

Fuel air bombs for a triple approach: massive pressure, massive heat, and removing oxygen/introducing poisonous byproducts into the area. The 500lb CBU-55 covered a 4 square acre area, so running out of the oxygen-depleted area is unlikely.

This invincible armor is going to need to completely cover the body with a non-stretching, airtight, hyper-insulating cocoon with onboard life support. So much insulation will probably necessitate active cooling...

>>48349136
shaped charges use copper right?
im wondering what would happen if that molten copper jet hit a powerful rotating magnetic field

To all the retards out there, like OP, trying to imply that suddenly you would use melee if bullets couldn't pierce armor:

You can't swing a sword harder than a gun shoots a bullet. Stop being stupid.

>>48349210
>too expensive to make bullets out of
>entire armor suits made out of it
wot

>>48349400
umbrella corp go home

>>48362328
The answer to Dune style shields is diver's bang sticks.

>>48362274
Shaped charges can use anything (with varying results), from copper to tantalum to glass and plastic. But it would disperse because the default jet shape is unstable and naturally disperses over several meters.

If you don't care so much about armor penetration, the charge can be shaped into a slug and fly a hundred+ meters stably.

HESH rounds are also attractive ofc.

>>48349526

No they don't.

The companies that make armor vests and those that use them are very careful to explicitly state that there's no such thing as a bulletproof vest. There are only bullet resistant vests, and the different levels of bullet resistance denote what kind of bullet a piece of body armor can reliably stop. There's no such thing as body armor that can stop a 20mm round, which is still a bullet, so there's no such thing as bullet proof armor.

>>48349039
>No one knows exactly how it does it, but the Shokk Attack Gun projects a narrow forcefield through the Warp, beginning at the end of the barrel and ending roughly where the gun is aimed. The portals look like small spinning black holes. In this way it is possible for living creatures to travel through the warp towards the exit point.

Only use grenades instead of snotlings.

>>48359898
>Doesn't matter how good your armor is, it's still made of atoms.
oh is it? maybe its made of superdense degenerate matter or hard light
maybe the "armor" is a shell of warped spacetime around you, causing you to not technically be in the path of the projectile at all
shit dont have to be atoms mane

>>48357014
Fuck you, I like that tank.

>>48362591
so what. modern tech can shut down atoms as a way to deal with nuclear warheads apparently

>>48361812
What is Thermodynamics.

>>48362623
Which doesn't do jack shit against a tank unless you fucking drown it in lava. You can drop a fuel-air bomb on an Abrams and it will give absolutely zero fucks. Tanks in the 70's were proof against flamethrowers and other incendiary devices.

>>48356469
>This is it, lads! Only the next trench left!
>CHAAAARG... wait is that a civilian on the field
>Ma'am we'll have to ask you to evacuate...
>OH SHIT SHE GOT A STRAP-ON
>SQUAD BROKEN!

>>48349039
>a military character has a high maintenance hairstyle like an undercut, rather than something low maintenance like a buzzcut or high & tight
Errytime.

>>48363392

The sides are shaved down and the top is left long.
How the FUCK is that high maintenance?

>>48363392
You twat. I'm in the military (Infantry MilCol) and that's the most common haircut there is.

>>48364256
>MilCol
?

>>48364296
Royal Military College of Canada

>>48364314
Wait, so you're not actually active?

>>48364361
We are active during non-school months, usually training or short OJE deployments.

>>48356443
No matter how much you game, real life never stops unfolding.

>>48349210
>too expensive to use it to cover bullet tips only
>completely fine for producing fully enclosed suits of armor with it

>>48356409
>hai guys mai armor is undedable and bestest ever, wat do
His retarded setting is literally impossible. It's always easier to create new and better ways of killing than that of protection. And undedable armor is impossible. And it's not like that armor is that important, it's not the infantry that wins wars.

>>48356451
Then you make slower bullets with shaped charges. Or non-projectile weaponry. Or you just shoot them enough to break or overload the shield. Or use bigger and faster bullets that will kill with concussion force alone.
That shield thing was always a stupid cop out

>>48352493
Then instead of bullets you use guns that fire solid projectiles enhanced with magic. Zero movable parts and the magic is the same as on the sword.

>>48349039
Get bullets that don't penetrate armor, but has enough force to splat the guy inside

>>48349161
That picture is the most badass thing on /tg/ right now.

>>48366769
>His retarded setting is literally impossible.
So is any setting with magic. If you don't want to accept the premise of the exercise, that's fine, just wander off and do your own thing somewhere. But there's absolutely no reason to hang around and shit on somebody else just because their idea isn't perfectly realistic. The whole point of tabletop gaming is to escape the real world for a while, and have fun imagining things that could never really happen. If you don't like that, you should probably find a different hobby.

> Then you make slower bullets with shaped charges.
If it's fast enough that they can't just step out of the way, then it's too fast for the shields.

> Or non-projectile weaponry.
Which is the entire point of the idea: "How to we justify hitting each other with swords in a high-tech world?"

> Or you just shoot them enough to break or overload the shield.
That's usually an option, but it's also usually much less efficient than just getting in close with a melee weapon.

> Or use bigger and faster bullets that will kill with concussion force alone.
When the shields use inertial dampening to remove all kinetic energy, that won't work.

> That shield thing was always a stupid cop out
"Anything that's not 100% realistic is stupid, because I hate fun."

>>48368493
Wave all the swords you want in a sci fi setting, but don't try to justify them because then we can shit all over your stupid reasons.

>too fast
You can't step out of a lethal sword swing too, so obviously swords don't count then. People can only slowly poke each other with daggers. What a fun setting

>non projectile weaponry
Except nobody will go for swords as an option. Missiles, flamethrowers, guns meant for kinetic damages, gas, electricity, grenades, shockwave, lasers, fucking hacking nanobots or any other stupid shit will be tried before people start equipping infantry with swords again.

>running up to them and stabbing a motherfucker is somehow better than just emptying half a mag into his torso
No

>inertial dampening
Nigger there isn't any technology that would protect you from getting shot in the face with projectiles designed to kill you with concussion force. Gun technology will always be more advanced than shield technology.
And if it's magic, then you can also apply the magic to the gun, bullets or whatever projectile you are using.

>le I hate fun argument
Just fuck off with this hugbox mentality. OP made a stupid thread with a stupid premise and deserves to get called stupid for it. Afterall, we are discussing a setting and I don't see why it shouldn't be constructively criticized.

>>48368743
>constructively criticized
Hah.

>>48349039

>That top right shoulder guard

Why even fucking bother? Seriously if everyone is using long swords then anyone who strikes it will just be guided towards your necks.

Now- death by suffocation.

or better- gravity weapon.

They make better bullets? Not that hard.

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>>48349039
There's literally no end until we can make a LITERALLY INDESTRUCTABLE object, and that's absolutely impossible

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If you can't kill it from the outside, kill it from the inside.

They develop weapons to superheat the armor, killing them inside. The armor could be looted then, or alternatively, just make something that throws them around. After all, the armor is invincible, the man inside is not.

>>48349162
>this is paladin bait

>>48355201
I don't care how your setting works. I just open GURPS tables or, if I feel like it, do the calculation based on ballistic tables for different calibers and guns.
Guess what - armour is most of the time useless.

>>48352493
This is retarded because a bullet has no moving parts and a suit of armor has more moving parts than a machine gun.

>>48368790
There are dozens of reasons, backed up with arguments, why OP is stupid. I'd call that constructive

But hey, shit like lolololo why don't we launch knights in armor at each other is what's better for this thread, right?

>>48368807
That's the detachable military shovel head, for digging trenches. Stick it on the end of your sword, and you've got yourself a shovel.

>>48370833
>OP is stupid
>constructive
I stand by my "Hah."

Tech goes backwards and we go bakc to hand to hand combat a la legend lf the galactic heroes

>>48364314
Monarchist or Republican?

>>48359553
Would a more liquid internal armor help?
I was thinking gel-based layer covered by the hard armor would be more or less optimal.

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>>48349761
>>48349783