Horus Heresy General /hhg/

CHAINAXES

>>48327660
Good than I wasn't arguing with you.

First post, AWE YEAH.

Fielding fortifications and heavy Artillery, Iron Within! Iron Without~

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>>48327706

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First for the EMPRAH, beloved by all.

Anon is once again begging for a link to the updated crusade army list. Help an anon out?

>>48327721
Fuck my shit.

>>48327727
Bugger mine own faeces.

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Building Iron Warriors, no hazard stripes and with different helmets.

How would you feel if someone tried to field four Castellum Strongholds using the alternate FOC?

>>48327778
If those helmets didn't have the breathholes and mowhawkesthey'd be great helmets for a lot of legions

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>>48327778
Torsos here.

Both pics related. Am using only the helmets and am filing down the spiky ones.

>>48327736
Do you accept ePubs?

>>48327805
My plan is to greenstuff the holes.

>>48327724
...is that a stolen power spear?

>>48327823
I'd rather the pdf if you have it, but if you can reccomend an epub reader I can handle it.

>>48327796
Field a single one man, why field four?

>>48327778
Why would you use the WE ones? Why not the Iron Masks?

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>>48327850
Nope. An edit of this. The Space Marine Voice Actor tripfag edited this GK to look like his Chapter Master chapter.

>>48327796
>How would you feel if someone tried to field four Castellum Strongholds using the alternate FOC?
Challenged, and compelled to destroy them.

>>48327886
The generic design of the helm looks nicer to me, after filing down the horns and green stuffing the holes they have a nice generic sleek look, sort of Greek/Roman.

>>48327736
Someone posted a pdf of it, but apparently OP didn't add it to the links, and no one reposts it. You'll have to look back a few threads and find it.

>>48327869
Because I thought it'd be hilarious. I don't own any, just saying.

>>48327932
They have hella good rules, 3+ cover on the battlements goes to 2+ when you go to ground, one of the Iron Warrior IC lets to rerroll failed cover saves of one.

>>48327796
>four Castellum Strongholds

Arent those a quarter of a table each? Besides they are a LoW choice now.

>>48327972
> they are a LoW choice now.

Nooooo, I was going to field one in my IW's.

>>48327972
>Besides they are a LoW choice now.
It was my mistake to think we were done with the shafting, honestly.
>>48327899
>The Space Marine Voice Actor tripfag
...come again?

>>48327972
No they aren't, they're under 500 points and aren't armed with D weapons.

http://www.mediafire.com/?f0c2pnieoijyrqk
Found it 3rd thread in archives or 4th

>>48328032
A guy who wanted to do some voice acting for spess marheens. Stopped using his name after maybe five chapter master threads when he started posting in those threads.

>>48327972
>Besides they are a LoW choice now.
Source?

>>48328108
Im stupid and made a mistake.

>>48328039

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>>48328078
Did he posted some voice clips or something?
...I downloaded LORD Commissar Bern's voice, and I wish he had at least a cutscene.

>>48328237
Do you have any idea where I could get the Dawn of War II space marine voice clips? I've looked all over for a download and I'm too dumb to figure out how to tamper with the game files. I've tried and it involved a lot of shit that didn't work. I make batreps sometimes for fun and I like to put the voice clips over the models.

So what's everyone's favorite armor mark?

>>48328259
Well from youtube, I think it's a damn good compilation
In two parts, and you'll need to chop some of the vids, as they contain marine death screams for about a full minute.
Unless that's what makes you hard, because Emperor's children.

>>48328301
MkIII is the only armor for me. A shame the IW upgrade set isn't MkIII though.

>>48328301
MkIII.

>>48328301
MkII, easily.

>>48328301
mkVIII

>>48328309
Dern. I remember Alfabusa making a compliation of the tactical marine without any music but it's since disappeared. And I cant find any non musical ones for things like Land Raiders or Preds

>>48328438
Well, lucky for me Dungeon Siege does fit Bern. And I do have gud memories from both those games.
>>48328301
DeathguardinMkIII.jpeg

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>tfw I only just realised a squad of 10 seekers is actually more expensive in the new book

We got breacher'd lads

>>48328301
MkV

Best armour coming through fags, keep your shitty MkII & II out of the way

>>48328497
Gotta pay for that S5 AP2, I guess.
>>48328522
Says the man with the armour made out of literal garbage.

>>48328497
>have ap2 rounds
worth it

im still trying to figure out if 10 vets with combi plasma is better than 10 seekers with combi plasma though, running drop pods. i, starting to think the vets are better

>>48328522
That's meant to say MkII & III

I was so revolted I couldn't even type them properly

>>48328301
Really like MkIII, though not FW's MkIII. Lately I've found myself finding new aspects of the MkVI I like. I already got 5 bikers with MkVI, 10 seekers with MkVI, my moritat has MkVI and been thinking of making 20 strong assault squad in MkVI.

>>48328301
MkV and MkII

>>48328497
By like 5 fucking points, seekers are awesome, Ive always loved them and Im glad they get to shine a bit.

>>48328497
Ten BS5 24" S5 AP2 Precision Shots.

>>48328237
Here's one clip of his work. http://www.mediafire.com/listen/qgxrgx845sxje56/Steal+the+Steel.wav

>>48328545
Garbage you can find on any battlefield and repair/rebuild with incredible ease

Good luck moving in that MkIII when the backpack gets hit, MkV you can probably get going again with some chewing gum and good thoughts

>>48328614
At least with MkIII you won't have to worry about surviving getting hit. MkV means that the guy who takes your armor will get it going again with some chewing gum and good thoughts.

>>48328610
>>48328554

Something about seekers having heavy shots doesn't sit right with me, their fluff describes them as fast moving, close range marksmen who don't have the advantage of being able to stay still and line up shots like a sniper does.

And yet one of their ammo types means they have to stand still and line up shots

Not complaining about ranged AP2 though

>>48328665
I don't see anything about them being some fast moving run and gun types. Their entry says they identify enemy personnel and take them down with precision shots in the middle of a battle, though they lack the luxury of range like recce squad snipers.

>>48328301
Depends

Scrubs: Mk II
Hardened Armour: Mk III
Veterans and Officers: Mk IV
Savages (Rampagers, Blackshields, etc.): Mk V

>>48328754
The part that gave me that impression was where it said they only had "the briefest window of opportunity", makes it seem like they move quick and take out goons speedy style

>>48328802
Veterans: MkII
Hardened Armour: Mk III
Noobs: MkIV
Operators: MkV

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>>48328665
>>48328754
>>48328818
Scorpius ammo must be hand loaded, that's why it's a Heavy weapon – can't do that on the move.

>>48328818
It's usually harder to shoot someone in the middle of a fight than a sniper sneaking up on the enemy at their base or something.

>>48328846
>Veterans: MkII
>Hardened Armour: Mk III
>Noobs: MkIV
>Operators: MkVI
>Shitty poor people (in game) : MkV
>Shitty poor people (irl) : mk7

>>48328873
Considering their rarity, would it make sense for them to be One Use Only?

>>48328873
What the fuck, you guys have been making it sound like they where ap2 all the time, rending isn't that big of a deal. Every sixth shot is ap2 with shred?

THATS what all the QQing has been about?

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MkV master race

>>48328929
thats the old book

>>48328929
That's the old rules, new rules have them st5 AP2 all the time

>>48328929
That's a pic of the old version.

>>48328909

Chinacast is cheaper than GW plastic. Hell, even real FW is the same as what GW charges for plastic marines these days.

>>48328960
>>48328962
>>48328963

Oh ok, What the fuck, thats hella op... Yeah fuck those bolt shells... Stupid.... Str5.... Ap2......... Shed................

>>48328944
I want to argue, but I can't facing down a paint job like that.
Good job, anon.

>>48328846
>>48328909
MkIV was invented to replace MkII, which was breaking down due to old age, and was difficult to repair. Vets were probably offered prefferential access to MkIV
As such, vets either wear their trusty MkII or switched to MkIV

>>48328979
BS5 (6 for IF and SoH) with prefered enemy on one target.

Seekers are love and they will find you and kill you.

>>48328929
That's the Old version, I don't have the new pic. Also, new Scorpius is S5 as well. But fluff stays the same?

>>48328944
Damn, different coloured faceplates on models are just the best thing going, you did a real good job anon.

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>>48329023

>>48328301
6. Knights in space forever.

>>48329067
Thanks.

>>48328846
>>48328909
>Hey since you are a veteran we decided to give you first dibs on this new armour, its easier to maintain and better than your current mk II armour
>Nah I'll keep my piece of shit Mk II

>>48329093
You better play RG or AL or the autists are going to start coming out of the woodwork

>>48329107
MkII was top quality armor, it was just slow to make.

>>48329107
Mate, you'd be surprised at how often this happens in real life.

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Listening to Pharos. I've got some opinions about it but when Sanguinius tried to offer Night Haunter a chance at redemption and for one second it looked like he would take it. The feels...

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>>48329117
AL

>>48329161
Good, and I swear if anyone posts that old fluff picture of that MkVI Iron Warrior I swear to god I'll phosphex this whole place to the ground

>>48329107
>>If it aint broken, don't fix it
>But it IS broken, brother Command squad Chosen.
>>Then fix it, frater astrotechnicus
>It'll just break down again!
>>Back in my day we would fix our broken gear, not buy a new one
>Then YOU fix it!
>>...
>>...meh, it's artificer Mk3. It'll last longer than me anyway.

>>48329107
More like
>As an officer of the Legion, if my 200 year old armor so much as clanks in the wrong way, I can have a hundred Techmarines fix this shit by tomorrow. It might be shitty armor, but it's MY shitty armor, and it got me THIS FAR. Let the scrubs have the new and efficient armor since they're in the field more than me.

>>48329136
Fair point. Granted I imagine some legions might take the Mk IV simply because its better looking.
>Gaius Lucius Cornelius Augustus Sulla my son it is time for you to choose an armour mark
>Will you choose artificer Mk III lighter than Mk IV, with sensory systems superior to Mk VI, and better protection than cataphractii terminator armour?
>Or will you choose regular Mk IV armour?
>Cut to EC standing in generic Mk IV armour

>>48329258
>they're in the field more than me.
Which would make sense if all space marine officers weren't field officers.

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>>48329136
This.
>>48329302
>>Cut to EC standing in generic Mk IV armour

>>48329325
You're right, that wasn't worded in the best way, but I think you're also missing the point here

>>48329133

The only thing top quality about Mk II was the armor plates, which weren't even good enough as Mk III's existence proves. The cabling was far too massive and the power plant was far too primitive. This is why Mk IV improved all of those things, and added better sensors to boot. The only thing Mk IV couldn't replicate was the complicated armor rings.

>>48329382
I get what you mean, but officers and vets would still have first access to the new gear. Sure some might not take it, but some would, especially in legions like the EC that care too much about aesthetics. Since I play EC I use them as the base for most of my comparisons. Sure Iron Warrior and Fist vets might have Mk II or III but EC with their love of art and aesthetics might take the Mk IV because "this armour is totally fabulous."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHVtZsCZ1TA

>>48329492
>Sure Iron Warrior and Fist vets might have Mk II or III
On the IWs side, that's because they probably wouldn't even recieve a resupply. But DG, IW, IF and probably Sallies wouldn't care much about MkIV, considering MkIII lasts enough and their battle tactics need heavier armour over mobility

>>48329553
I've always reserved Mk III for dudes with hardened armour, which with the changes to breachers is nobody now.

>>48329553
>On the IWs side, that's because they probably wouldn't even recieve a resupply.
Even in-universe, we are shafted. Like when that one painter made a painting depicting an apothecary retrieving gene-seed from fallen IW with an IF flag raised in the background.

>>48329673
>Even in-universe, we are shafted
Hey, you knew that before joining.
Perty bought that painting, only to be able to destroy it himself. Could someone post the Bitterness intensifies version?

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Posting pictures from the other thread.

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>>48329916

>>48329760
>Perty bought that painting, only to be able to destroy it himself.
Honestly one of the best parts of the book right there. I loved that he told the artist that if his sons cannot be glorified like the rest, then they shall not be humiliated either, or something along those lines.

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>>48329960

>>48329960
>SW don't use contemptors because it puts too much strain on the mind
>but they do use Leviathans

Hmmmm

>>48330019
This is 30k, that superstition is for 40k wolves.

>>48330019
Wait, I thought contemptors were supposed to be less wearing on the occupants than standard dreadnoughts thanks to little niceties like not having to have all their limbs chopped off to fit inside. Is that not true?

>>48330035
Oh shit is it? Actually I remembered after that post that they didn't like the contemptor because of superstition and fear of it, not because of the strain it put on the occupant

>>48330162
Possibly, but Leviathans are notably stressful, ultimately fatal, to their occupant.

Hey guys, I'm a bit new. I recently received the SoH BAC set as a gift for my birthday. Funny thing is, I've no idea how to paint or build models and my interest in 30k only extended as far as the lore and the BL novels. Anyone have any tips for me? I don't want to jump right in and try to paint FW models without any prior experience.

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Who in God's dick designed this abomination?

>>48330305
GW have a bunch of videos on their channel that teach you how to paint without it looking like complete dogshit

and for fucks sake thin your fucking paints

>>48330434
Perturabo.

>>48330305
Alright, step 1:
Go to Warhammer TV and look at their painting guide for the Sons of Horus.
Step 2:
Purchase equipment and things you'll need, like brushes, paints, moldline remover (the back of a honby knife is useful for this, though I just stick to GW's moldline remover), clippers to remove things from the sprue, and some other things. Keep in mind that you'll need to be extra careful with resin as resin dust is a carcinogen. Ask around for the stuff you'll need to work with resin.
Step 3:
Assemble your models, take care to remove moldines, dryfit them before gluing, and if there are parts that would obscure things, such as the arm holding the bolter covering the chest, leave those unattached and paint them while they're seperate. You can glue them on once you're finished.

I might be forgetting somethings, but I'm a bit tired right now, sorry. Remember that only the FW parts are resin. Everything in the BaC box is plastic.

Oh, and another tip is THIN YOUR PAINTS. Post your first model on here and the /wip/ thread so we can bully you to get better. That's all I can think of for now.

>>48330434
>tfw I'm the only one who likes it.
Maybe more people would give it a second chance if FW painted it. And gave it a nicer looking pose.

>>48330434
I did

>>48330465
>>48330438
Thanks for the tips. I guess I'll start watching.

>>48329150
Is that just a perspective trick or are they making Sanguinus Godzilla size

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>>48330485
>>48330501
You...
>>48330216
>>48330218
Cortus Dreads also damage the pilot with their chinese-pattern components, but I think in the end both Leviathans and Cortus Dreads pilots end up either dead or insane.

>>48330599
Yes, Sangy is now retconned to be a blonde godzilla. Try it now, Warmaster.

>>48330508
google sons of horus paint schemes until you find a guide with the color you like

like 'how to paint sons of horus' and look at as many guides as you can find, find the color you like the best, and do what they did.

if you like the color in the video then go for it, but i know for some of their videos the colors are total shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAbkWeJK8As
heres their video, if you like their green then go for it, if you want a different green then youll have to google around a bit.

for example though, their ultramarine color is totally wrong (and the inbred mongoloid in this vid is annoying af)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQGRe1MOg1Y

a wonderful friend got me a 50 pound FW gift card for my birthday today. Any ideas what I should buy? Was thinking about getting a Sicaran command tank for my Imperial Fists Armored Breakthrough list, but I'm worried that the model will be tough to build.

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>>48330485
Actually now it looks like Dr. Robotnik

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>>48331114
>Actually now it looks like Dr. Robotnik
Aaand now I see it as an Iron moustache. Thanks anon.

>>48331094
I bought the Sicaran Venator and the only warped part was the floor because of how thin it was. I used copious amounts of hot water and fixed it though. Just dry fit everything before thinking.

The Accelerator Autocannon looks like it's guaranteed to bend with the season and shipping. again, lots of hot water should fix that.

The only thing I hated on the kit was the sprue holds on the top part. They're humongous blocks strutting the part to the sprue that damn near require a jeweler saw and some files to remove.

>>48329150
>>48330599
>>48330657
>Papa's now Godzilla
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T65rW_SIzg0
History shows again and again how assault cannons point out the follies of traitors...

>>48329981
It was my understanding that he killed the painter as well.

But perhaps I'm not remembering it correctly.

>>48331251
No, the painter was pffered a hefty sum to make another copy of it by Dorn. The painter rightfully refused any ampunt Dorn offered, as he feared for his life should he do so.

>>48331198
I appreciate the review. I'm kind of a shitter at this hobby and struggle with plastic kits sometimes. I can't believe how hard it was for me to glue my Land Raider Phobos together and make the front hatch work properly.

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>>48331191
UR 2 SLO

>>48331325
>banner bearer
>not tech marine with master crafted bionic heart
It's like you don't want a Flash Marine.

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Updated timeline.

>>48331325
I was going to reply with an eldar themed filename for a diamond swords pic, but it turns out the only fan art for the raker scum is MLP themed.

>>48331325
Why am I laughing so much?
>>48331351
>>banner bearer
This reminded me of that "it's also a flagpole" BA banner bearer.

>>48331379
>Still only 8 years.
How would you guys feel about retconning the timeline to make it less hurried? Also, how long was Horus a normal Warmaster before screwing it all up?

>>48331379
>its going to take them longer to release the books than it took to fight the heresy

>>48331444
>>48331426

It's head canon that the heresy was a century spanning affair.

>>48331426
>retconning the timeline to make it less hurried?
just move some of that shit to the scouring instead

the heresy should be short and sweet

>>48331411
I almost forgot about that guy.
>>48331426
>Also, how long was Horus a normal Warmaster before screwing it all up?
I think maybe 100 or 50 years.
>>48331444
Hopefully some of those events will be included in one to two books.

>>48331426
I think I remember reading that the Emperor and Horus hung out for like 60 years before he was appointed Warmaster.

>>48331470
Honestly if not a century the heresy should still take several decades.

>>48331504
The idea that Horus would run out of a supply is stupid. He took half the Imperium over night.

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>>48331426
Pretty sure Horus was Warmaster for several centuries, iirc.

>>48331444
Kek.

>>48331114
>>48331191
Beautiful.

>>48331522
>Pretty sure Horus was Warmaster for several centuries, iirc.
The Great Crusade was only 2 centuries old when the Heresy broke out.
This is my whole problem with the entire heresy, the time from the Emperor reveals himself to being interred on the throne seems way too fast. IMO it should be something like
>Great Crusade lasts 500-800 years
>Heresy lasts 80-150 years

>>48331475
>>48331522
Nope, literally just 4 years.

I agree that it's far too hurried

>>48331550
Yeah they need to space that stuff out

>>48331474
the scouring was 7 years long

FW needs to rewrite the length of both conflicted, that shit is ridiculous

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>>48331504
>suggesting that this series should go on longer
Anon, I will find where you live and slay you where you stand.

>>48331379

Not sure who is the player for Passage of the Angel of Death.

Initial thoughts are either Sanguinius' road trip to Terra or Lion El'Jonson burning traitor held space.

Second thoughts are something with Mortarion

>>48331563
Well technically both the Heresy and the Scouring are part of the same war

>>48331577
But it really is ridiculous that the series tales longer to be published than the events to happen in the setting, like >>48331444 says

>>48331595
Yeah that got me too. I want to know more about the Breaking, The Cataclysm, the Titandeath, the Great Slaughter, and the Sea of Fire

>>48331577
I'm sure with some math, we could figure out that it would have been impossible to fight a war across the entirety of human controlled part of the galaxy in eight years.

>>48330627
You think I'm joking

>>48331595
I'm guessing Horus orders Mortarion to ravage Imperial territories, making large swathes of the galaxy uninhabitable with his passage

>>48331599
they heresy shouldve been like 50 years long, the scouring shouldve been like 200 years. then abby kicked the shit out of the other warbands for 500 years while girlyman builds an empire. then first black crusade, which should last for like 100+ years.

>>48331624
I'm casting my contemptor pattern glance at you now. Elaborate.

>>48331616
the Titandeath has already been mentioned in retribution in passing IIRC, it's the largest ever Titan battle.
Sea of Fire is likely something to do with Sallies

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>>48331615
>>48331620
Please don't encourage BL. I don't care how far I have to go but there is going to be some slaying. I'll be the guy wearing the Nixion mask and the Dark Eldar condom.

So I think this is the right place to ask this question, What were the ships used during the HH and Great Crusade era anyway? I mean I've found a list of names but no details on them, anybody own books with them in it?

>>48331660
The HH is the most interesting content produced by GW and affiliate in forever, its more balanced between factions and maintains a degree of quality that the 40k Codexs lack.

Give me ten years of HH over returning back to the dark ages of only 40k.

Fuck that place, I entered the hobby for 30k.

>>48331660
>Please don't encourage BL
Don't read BL, it is all shit that is better left alone.

>>48331644
I did the first mock up of the iron warriors contemptor dreadnought, what is so confusing about that.

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>>48331677
Chaos still flies around in preheresy ships. so they all look like >>48331660

>>48331726
Proof?

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>>48331652
>the Titandeath has already been mentioned in retribution in passing IIRC, it's the largest ever Titan battle.
Now I'm interested.
>Sea of Fire is likely something to do with Sallies
I was thinking more like Phosphex.
>>48331698
I didn't think like that. Can they make it at least metal as a DEldar condom is painful? A please note that those things evolve like a Spyer suit.

>>48331726
And what was the intended look, then? Added ablative armour?

>>48331714
this

ive been listening to first heretic and its laughably shitty

>>48331759
Who takes their work home?

>>48331771
NOICE.

Not to sound harsh, having been into 40k lore long before 30k, seeing the tangible difference in direction and content after YEARS of thinking 40k didn't have any REAL depth caused me to get into the hobby.

Investing in an army is the biggest waste of cash, but in 30k it's reasonable, I have my spiritual liege, decent reading between conflicts and the ever solid blackbook lore.

It's fun times.

>>48331799
There were a couple of guys working on separate renditions of what we thought it should look like. One was real spartan which was the first choice but they thought my concept looked more gritty and done in the field.

Alright, after the latest developments (or lack thereof)

Im going to go with Alpha Legion for my new army

Is there a way to make Seekers troops?

Ill probably do POTL with Veteran troops, Seekers and recon squads. Maybe an assault blob with shields and Learneans in a dreadclaw

>>48331560

The Heresy is supposed to be an utterly catastrophic event that almost causes the Imperium to collapse, worse than anything that followed in the next 10,000 years. It pretty much has to be relatively brief compared to 40k wars and the Crusade; if the Imperium could survive being in this apocalyptic civil war for over a century it must not have been all that bad. That's just the normal 40k state of affairs.

>>48331840
>Is there a way to make Seekers troops?

No, AL get their own Seekers as troops in the Headhunter Leviathal RoW but vanilla Seekers are always FA.

>>48331852
Thought so. Ill probably get headhunter kits and use them as seekers, seeing how headhunters are balls

>>48331840
ALPHA.

Be sure to buy all the choice units from other factions and be all like, hur dur muh Fulimentari.

>>48331840
>Is there a way to make Seekers troops?
No, but they are scoring anyway so unless you are obsessed with all BS 5 it isn't a huge deal.

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>>48331822
I hear you. Newer 40k fluff is rarely interesting.

>>48331851
This. Also seven years is a long time when million different things are happening all over the galaxy.

>>48331955
Literally on the galactic scale. Almost all of 40k is suppose to take place the moment the clock is striking 12 on doomsday and they've been milking it for a long time.

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>>48331714
But from time to time funny stuff gets printed.

>>48332016
>Fulgrim slapped him heartily on the back and kissed his cheeks, but the gesture was alien to Perturabo, and he did not know how to respond. The scent of the oils worked into Fulgrim’s hair was strong, and Perturabo took a breath of its seductive perfumes.

>>48331839
I think you did a good job

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>>48332016
>fanart manages to get Pert's spite filled gaze perfectly
It makes my heart all warm and tingly like phosphex.

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>>48332025
Is that from where I think it's from?

>>48332069
Syber's rendition of an Angel Exterminatus scene, yeah

>>48331839
Have you done anything else?

>>48332016
Source? I've seen this person's art pisted on here before.

>>48332161
See >>48332123. It even says his name on the pic, dude.

>>48332184
Shhh... I can't read. I also don't know who that is.

>>48332226
Go. Find out :^)

>>48332252
Where? I google the name and all that comes up for me is some furry artist.

>>48332268
Wait, found it. I hate captchas that make you keep going and going and going, etc.

>>48332016
>>48332045
Brought much happiness to my cold bitter Iron soul.

>>48332268
>I google the name and all that comes up for me is some furry artist.
yeah thats probably him

>>48332442
lol.

Made me lol.

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>>48332400
Beep boop, bleep. Boop beep. Boop bleep, beep!

>>48332479
Can these be fielding individually without Perturabo?

If so they will be mine.

>>48332479
I love the yellow they have.

>>48332501
Yes. You can field up to six in one Elites slot. 205 ppm. iirc, Warsmiths and/or Forgelord can repair them since they're automatas.

>>48332522
Night made.

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>>48332501
Theoretically yes, but wherever there's an Iron Circle member Perturabo's bound to be close by. Otherwise then they start spouting bleeps.
>>48332506
It's a nice feature.

>>48332564
Aye. My 7k list is just two tac squads, all Beep-Boops in every Elites Slot, and Perturabo with the Iron Circle, as well as a Warsmith.

Though, with tacs being cheaper, it's probably not 7k exact anymore.

>>48331840
technically there is a way to make seekers troops, but only for shattered legions lead by a emperors children HQ choice, the row was called extermination kill team or something like that, made recons and seekers compulsory troops.

Does a 1080p version of the smug Pert and Dorn sketch art image exist?

>>48332573
What book are they in?

>>48332867
The Beep-Boops?

Age of Darkness Legions in the IW section.

>>48328056

Sweet, thanks

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I'm literally STONE HARD for these Storm Shields.

Bless FW.

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Anyone else hyped for the new AT? All the forumware stuff I have already is 8mm so I'm not too bothered by the bump up from 6mm.

>>48330434
I like it

>>48330627
That recast looks like shit

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>>48333886
>All the forumware stuff I have already is 8mm so I'm not too bothered by the bump up from 6mm.

HH forumware marines are 8mm tall. In 8mm scale, that would mean they're the height of an average human male. They'll be on the small side but might be passable. HH forumware vehicles and titans are all 6mm scale and will look small.

I have a ton of OG Epic stuff, so I'm fucked.

I might still get new-AT, but only for small scale titan-on-titan combat. The prices will probably keep me from expanding much. As we worked out in previous threads, an 8mm Warlord should be almost as high as a 40k knight (as tall if you count up to the top of the 8mm Warlord's carapace-mounted weapons).

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Finally buckled down and got something

You guys get anything for your armies recently?

>>48334320
Nah. I don't own anything yet.

>>48334155
I don't expect them to actually suddenly switch marine sculpts to true scale for Epic. Marines are always puny in the models. Just look at a SA model next to a Space Marine. They're practically the same height.

>>48334320

Starting a death guard army. Termie shoulders heavy flamers BaC plus upgrades and a medusa.

>>48334320
Nobody plays 40k (much less 30k) where I live so not yet.

But i'll prob end up painting mechanicum just fo the hell of it.

>>48334320
Got 20 Terminators, 2 Dreadclaws, and a Spartan incoming.

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>>48331677
on sources:
HH Book 3 has a few IF and IW ship profiles. And there's that Macragge's Honour comic book. In it, the UM ship looks like a Battlefleet Gothic Emperor-class ship except with an armored prow, and the WB ship is a BFG Battle Barge. Visions of Heresy also has ship pictures and they mostly look like BFG Imperial Navy classes.

real answer:
Most of the ships, especially capital ships, that you see in BFG were around in 30k. The Imperium and Astartes had a mix of 40k Imperial-style ships with beak prows and 40k Chaos-style ships that look like daggers held flat.

The ship fluff is all half-baked, even in the BFG rulebook itself (e.g. the Armageddon-class battlecruiser is described as being based on the Acheron-class when they look nothing alike and the Armageddon is really a Lunar with two lance turrets on top). In HH fluff, including the FW books, every legion seems to have a Gloriana-class battleship as their flagship. That's a class that was made up for 30k; it isn't mentioned in 40k/BFG. Which is fine, but HH Book 3 shows an Iron Warriors Gloriana-class ship that looks like a bulkier Space Marine battle barge while every other depiction of a Gloriana-class ship has it looking more like an Imperial Navy battleship. I think it means no one's really thought this through.

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>>48331677
Phall artwork showing everyone flying around in ships that, in the 40k setting, are used by the Imperial Navy.

>>48334446
>>48334472
I knew hanging around would get me a real answer, Thanks. I was honestly hoping there was more lore out there just not on the websites. One of the things i love the most about anything are the Starships. A shame.

I want to love MkII armor, but the fact that the regular five man set has the running pose and their heavy support set has the kneeling pose annoys me greatly. I don't like how the kneeling pose or the running pose looks, however.

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>>48331677
Calas Typhon's ship, the Terminus Est. In the real-life timeline, the model was released as a "special character" based on the Chaos Despoiler variant and featured in the 2003 Eye of Terror campaign. In 40k it's 100% Nurgly.

The BFG fluff has the Despoiler-class battleship as having been invented in M36. Oops. So they retconned it and said that the Despoiler-class was based on old blueprints they'd found for the Terminus Est, which was unique when it was built in the Great Crusade. Never mind that the other Chaos battleship class, the Desolator, has the same main hull and "dates back to the very founding of the Imperium."

(Interesting that they were designing Chaos-looking ships in M36, given that those shapes are assumed to make ships prone to Chaos corruption. That's their reasoning for giving the two sides different-looking ships.)

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>>48331677
For one thing, standardisation was even less of a thing than in 40k - the forge worlds were more independent, and if a legion force found a cool ship they could usually reclaim it for their legion, leading to many legions having unique and deadly ships in their fleets

>>48334485
Well considering Specialist Games is planning on bringing back Battlefleet Gothic and chances are high it'll be set during the Heresy you'll probably get more FW fluff eventually.

>>48334485
How familiar are you with ships in the 40k setting?

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>>48334614
That one looks like it's related to the BFG Vengeance-class grand cruiser, which was described as transitionary between the two different styles. Not exactly the same; the Vengeance doesn't have an up-armored prow or prow torpedoes, and it has broadside lances and no "planetary assault petard" (which sounds similar to the bombardment cannons that Space Marines use in BFG). But close enough to be in the Vengeance et al grand cruiser family.

In 40k BFG they suggest that different forge worlds build the same classes of ships with visual differences, same deal as with titans or lasguns. Naturally GW couldn't release as wide a variety as the fluff says exists.

But I'm still annoyed at having no idea what a Gloriana-class battleship is. Class is a pretty specific designation.

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painted up one of my MKIIs

>>48334811
Looks pretty nice, anon. Do you not like brass bolt shells in the clip?

>>48334866
just missed them, ill go back and get em

>>48334614
>>48334556
Danke, I also wasn't aware that certain ship 'designs' were more related to chaos.

>>48334618
More fluff for the fluff god.

>>48334665
Really only wiki experience, and digging what i can up in lore sources. I can't afford the books right now..

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>>48334614
The largest ships (after the Furious Abyss and her sister ships, and the Phalanx) was the ~20km Gloriana Class, most of which were legion flagships, and all were custom jobs.
The largest known Gloriana-class vessels were the Vengeful Spirit (SoH), Conqueror (WE), Hrafnkel (SW), and Iron Blood (IW).

For other things we don't see in 30k there's also the Goliath Class Battleship

Fleet-wise, the Sons of Horus, Dark Angels and Imperial Fists had the largest fleets (Fists largest and most diverse of all), with the latter two specialising in void warfare to a significant degree, though other legions also have some notable fleets - all the White Scars ships are modified to be fast, the Death Guard having a high proportion of heavy and often unique capital ships etc.

>>48334908
Have a read through the BFG Rulebook and Armada expansion rulebook:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-aXA8fc5AQ8fmpVUEtsb1IxcDM5M2pBZjVGcFM5MTlWejVqVkt4VXZzX3E1YWQ0OER5Vnc&usp=sharing

If you want to buy models, Chinaman has some that keep getting taken down from Aliexpress (store: Irene^_^). They'll be up for a few hours, then they'll be visible but say they're out of stock, then they'll be done completely (like now), then they'll be back... check frequently or just contact them directly.

Is it just me or can I not find the optional units in the new book? Y'know, the mechanicum stuff the legions can take. I was thinking of maybe running a pseudo-mechanicum IW list.

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Think we'll ever get an actual model for Exodus?

Hello /tg/, here's the third version of my Legio Cybernetica list that you've been helping me buildimprove. Thoughts?

Legion Cybernetica, 1990/2000

HQ
Scoria, 315
- Xanathite Abeyant


TROOPS
Tech-thralls, 95
- x20, pure thought, caparace

Thallax Cohort, 400
- x8, heavy chainblades, Ferrox

Castellax Maniple 1, 270
- x2, Targeting Arrays x2, Flamers x4, Frags

Castellax Maniple 2, 270
- x2, Targeting Arrays x2, Flamers x4, Frags


FAST ATTACK
Vorax Maniple, 375
- x5, Frags


HEAVY SUPPORT
Thanatar, 265
- Targeting Array


Scoria joins the Vorax and probably outflanks. Rite of the Beast will go on these guys.

Thralls stay back and either hold the home objective or wrap around the thanatar.

The Castellax march forward. With flamers and mauler cannons they want to stick close to the enemy but not charge.

The Thallax start deployed, and zip around looking for proper targets/catching objectives.

>>48334976
thanks for the advice mate.

>>48334982
page 131 has the rules about taking Mechanicum units. They expect you to look in the Mechanicum redbook for the actual rules.

>>48335075
Why though? They had their rules in the old book? Anyone have a pdf of the mechanicum/auxilia/militia book? Might as well check it out then.

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>>48334908
Book 3 has a bit of info, it's where >>48334957 and >>48334614 are from

>>48334985
why wouldn't you? HH is a cash cow.

>>48335092
You know there's an OP for a reason.

>>48334908
There are more naval battles in Book IV as well when Port Maw is attacked. Some of the Mechanicum vessels sound pretty crazy.

>>48334990
>stick close to the enemy but not charge.

Why? You're wasting them if you're not charging with them.

>>48335128
Oh hey, MEGA works on mobile now! Nice!

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ePub Anon, have they updated the ePub yet to not allow the Terminators a DT?

>>48331379
>Blood Angels are actually in the heresy instead of being at Signus the entire time

Good

Thallax look awesome, and their rules don't seem bad either.

Now I feel like starting a Mechanicum force. It's also a good thing that they're Sworn Brothers with my legion as well.

>>48335164
thinking about it with the extra Ini I can't think of anything not to charge generally

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>>48328301
MKVI 4 lyfe, the sleekest and most beautiul of all the armours. I can make due with MKV in a pinch though.

Also Umbra bolters.

>>48329197
got ur back dawg, prepare the bernie berns

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>>48334866
>clip

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>>48329197
>>48335604
Though arguably this WB one should cause more exploding gaskets as it's a pre-Monarchia Emperor-worshipping book burner.

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>>48335623
almost all of the Index Astartes legion dudes were in Mk6

>>48335604
>MkVI IW
DECIMATION.


Ah man, the Thallax really make me want to start up a Mechanicum army just for them. Seriously, I love those models so much.
>tfw haven't even started up my legion and I already want to make a Mechanicum army.

>>48335660
Yes, it is beautiful, isn't it?

>>48335686
Allies.

Speaking of which, could someone point me to the rules about using RoWs in allied detachments. Like for example, a RoW that says you can't take an allied detachment could you take it AS an allied detachment? Or if you need an extra HQ when a allied detachment only has one slot.

>>48334472

It also has ships constructed out of reinforced concrete. Whatever was that artist thinking?

>>48334320
The new book has been ordered, and got some AL shoulderpads too. Beyond that I have most of the stuff I need, just need to build and paint.

>>48335716
Do you have a specific instance in mind? It'd probably be easier to answer that than account for every combination.

>>48335744
Not him but I would guess he means something like pride of the legion or Third Company Elite

>>48335716
If it says you can't take an allied detachment you can't take an allied detachment period. You only get the one AoD FOC. You can't combine Detachments like in 40k.

>>48335762
What if the Allied detachment takes the no allied detachment RoW?

>>48335716
I feel in that case you look to Blackshields Chymerae (sp?), in that you can take them AS allies, but can't take an allied detachment of them.

Plus, you'd have to play at 2k+ as you'd need two praetors for two RoWs.

But yeah, taking them as allies seems like the correct choice, but Thallax make me want to just start an army of them. Mmm.... I just need to see mechanicum color schemes and such for inspiration.

>>48335794
There is only one allied detachment in the FOC and it is it. So I imagine it's fine.

>>48335810
Also, where is the Phased-Plasma Fusil statline for Thallax? I can't find it and if it doesn't have Gets Hot unlike the Photon Thruster I'll be so happy, since Armoured Ceramite wrecks Melta.

>>48335811
Since one is the "Primary" and the "Allied" detachment is the one taking the No Allied detachment, you're technically not taking another Allied detachment. At least that is my interpretation. You should probably ask on the FW facebook site if you need some sort of semi-official clarification.

>>48334446
> No one's really thought this through
FW, HH, and GW in a fucking nutshell

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>>48334866
What's wrong with steel casings?

>>48336146
I think those actually look pretty nice. Wonder how you'd get a blued steel effect on a model?

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>>48336205

>>48336211
Wouldn't you be able to get a similar effect with a really thinned down blue color, or am I thinking of something else?

>>48336205
>>48336211

Blued steel is more of a black finish. Graphite powder over black primer, plus some blue wash.

>>48335794
If I recall correctly, only the primary detachment can take a Rite of War.
So that is not an issue.

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>>48336146
That looks kind of similar to the 700F steel on pic related, though a little lighter/bluer. Anyone know how you'd get color like that?

>>48336507
Different percentage of carbon (so low that the steel is still magnetic). At least in my experience.

>>48336562
Oh, sorry, I meant on a model with paints.

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>>48334866
>clip

>>48336567
Runefang Steel washed with Guilliman Blue/Lahmian Medium mix? I pulling ideas out of my ass here.

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>>48336507
>>48336567
Glaze paints, but not too many layers? Pic related, is far right what you're thinking of?

>>48336598
That sounds about right, leadbelcher higlighted with runefang steel?
>>48336603
Yeah actually, that looks pretty nice! Don't have any of the glaze paints, but I'll test some extremely thinned down caledor sky or teclis blue on some leadbelcher painted sprue with runefang steel highlights.

>>48336603
>Guilliman confirmed for tzeentchian horrific she-beast of nightmares and manipulation

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>>48336603
>green
>his

Triggered

>>48336603
>>48336633
Also, would one apply nuln oil and/or agrax earthshade, and then the wash, or apply either of those after the wash?

>>48335604
Just look at the bitterness in his gaze. That's not a plasma cannon, that's his incandescent fury at being forced to use disgusting sneaky-beakie armour instead of proper mark III

Phobos bolters, Phobos combat blades and muddedffucker MKII POWER ARMOUR.

Muh beep boops, will be fielding one as my first addition to my 500 pts list of IWs. That or some cheap tarantulas.

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>>48335794
The FAQ said an allied detachment could take a RoW but only if it meets the requirements (MotL, compulsory units while restricted bt the allied FoC size, etc.). Say, the new Crusade Imperialis and new LACAL were posted some threads ago...but what about the updated legion specifics book?
That would have updated RoW requirements, I presume?
>My mistake on assuming FW caring about it, though.
>>48335827
Found a version of them on HH4

>>48327778
I used the same heads for my IW too, they fit well.

>>48328944
You can come for me anytime, any day.

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Would it be so difficult for FW to add all available gun options in each unit set...

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In other news, I saw this Knight-Errant generator thing and decided to remake it.

>>48337912
But then you couldn't charge people extra for the weapon options. And smugfags can't go "FW kits are so much better, they're £2 cheaper than GW kits and I don't have to deal with all those pesky extra bits. Go on, go suck at GW's dick for your 'options' you dirty peon."

>>48331615
M*A*S*H lasted like twice the length of the Korean war.

>>48337912
>>48337961
But then there wouldn't be any space left for toxic chainaxes :^)
>>48337973
Eh?
>>48337961
Changelog plz?

>>48337973
>twice

Korean War lasted 3 years and a month. M*A*S*H lasted for 10 years and 4 months. That well over three times longer. And then you have the spin-offs.

>>48337843
Pics pls, help me see the glory that is different helmets

>>48337993
See >>48338033, turns out I was being generous. Over three times the length, damn. Fucking Alan Alda.

>>48338195
Are you shitting on M*A*S*H?

So, with the initial point reduction to breachers, running ten man squads is more efficient than before, in lists with lots of ap4 templates, wouldn't the hardened armor have value of firing incredibly close to your models? Say you are using a ride the iron fire list, if you used ap4 templates as zoning shots with your breachers on the front lines, wouldn't there be value in them being extra likely to survive if it scatters poorly? Then with additional shots, the zeroing in of you heavier ap3-2 blasts becomes extremely accurate.

>>48338288

i've been out of the running due to ISP problems
how much is a base breacher squad now?

>>48338309
200, additional Breachers are 15.

>>48338288
Same anon here.

In general, low bs Template weapons become more effective too as the scattering into your own units becomes less of a threat. This could even make automated emplacements not have bad after the initial zoning shots are fired, leaving the iron fire markers that make your blasts not scatter if they are close enough.

>>48338309
200 points, though the cost per extra man has been increased to 15 points because being an Iron Warriors player is suffering.

though at least IW get cool and good units, my Headhunters are now outclassed by the Seekers they're supposed to be an improvement on

>>48337939
>someone has remade my generator
I feel humbled.

>>48338338
>>48338347


thank you,

well time to build a proper shieldwall

>>48338347
Idk if it is a bad thing though, sure no blobs, however the purpose of using them has hardcore forward target markers is pretty awesome now.

They can take nuncio voxes yeah?

>>48338338

Can we stop and consider the insanity for a moment that not only do vets cost less per model then Breachers, you can actually get two squads of 10 vets (ie getting taxed twice), who have 2 attacks base, bolter/pistol/ccw, and their tactics, for LESS then a 20 man breacher blob

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>>48338273
>thinking it's possible to shit on M*A*S*H
Handle the bants, lad

>>48338288
Not really, given that the entire range competition also got cheaper by a proportionally-greater amount. Breachers were nerfed.

>>48338439
What's the value on hardened armor and combat shields that grant defensive grenades then?

They get land raiders as dedicated transports too

>>48338352
Eh, thank you for putting the idea together I guess (and also you're welcome, a joint thanks/welcome). I've made generators before, and I've also modded other people's stuff for things like legibility or whatever. Knights-Errant seemed like a good concept, and as I got into it I saw the opportunity to apply likelihood modifers to skills based on Legion and so forth. Couldn't resist, really.

>>48338428
They still get Nuncio Vox as an option, 10 points.
The Vexilla is 15, pricing unchanged from the previous list.

>>48338449
Not to mention that Land Raiders' costs decreased.
I'm eventually getting a squadron of three Proteus' with TL-lascannons for Ironwing protocol.

>>48338469
The modifiers are good, but I left out Daemonology on my generator because well Libbies, save for treacherous Word Bears, didn't know what Daemonology was.

>>48327666
Why isn't hacking a larger thing in the Wh40K universe? Is there some reason GW chose to ignore cyberwarfare?

>>48338481
>>48338493

Excellent, they have use yet. Even at 15 ppm, throwing an apothecary in there for foot slogging through your own barrages isn't half bad.

I'm going to field one or two iron circle models with them as melee deterrents.

Fuck yo shit, with my unwieldy concussive, wrecker str 10 ap2 hammer shit.

>>48338504
Knights-Errant however could know, so I altered that. Everything in the rework is KE-centric, hence why Apothecary/Primus Medicae are rolled into one role and so on - these would be the same job from that perspective, and KE's would be trained highly by the time of activity anyway regardless of starting rank.

>>48338545
Non unwieldy.

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>>48338532
There is one Assassin temple who does that.
>>48338561
>Knights-Errant however could know, so I altered that
>Alright, Knight Errants, here's what you need to know about daemons.
>They're dangerous, ugly, only wants to corrupt you and all you stand for, and have the minds of children. They also have a perverse sexual lust for dinosaurs.

>>48338532
I think reading up on the basics of how the Mechanicum works ought to answer that question succinctly.

Hacking is called "Malefic Cybertheurgy" - let that serve as an indicator.

>>48337939
That reminds me, I haven't actually done a roll on my own rewrite myself.

18 - Salamanders
2 - General Close Range Preference
2(+2) - Balanced Weight Preference
7 - Ignored, Balanced Attack-Rate Preference
6 - Praetor when inducted, so an old-timer
15 - Transport Tank Crew (read: uses Land Raiders as personal transport a lot)
1 - Experienced in Carapace Armour and Cameleoline. Former Vigilator?
1 - Reknowned and Heralded Champion
8 - 41% Sanity Waterline
3 - Okay Team Player, can be difficult
6 - Not Psychic

So this is an interesting build. A once-beloved Salamanders Vigilator-Turned Praetor with a close-ranged attack preference, who still likes his carapace armour but also likes a transport tank-attack approach, who is now losing his marbles. Sounds like fun.

>>48338689
Does he want to set worlds on fire?

>>48338591
>They're dangerous, ugly, only wants to corrupt you and all you stand for, and have the minds of children. They also have a perverse sexual lust for dinosaurs.
Reminds me of myself when I was younger. Motherfucking Deinonichii...
>>48338561
>>48338504
>>48338469
>>48338352
>>48337939
This makes very good notes, thanks.

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>>48337961
Good thing 40k admech look pretty good.

>>48338711
Al, are you a daemon?

>>48338532
The mechanicum hacks around quite a bit, even their references to "scrap code" are essentially alluding to hacks or similar processes, see any hostile interactions between factions of the Mechanicum.

Later on the Dark Mechanicum will start combining daemons with offensive software, the end result is quite impressive, if the few novels that include it are any indication.

The 2nd Grey Knight novel, Dark Adeptus by Ben Counter, has a fair bit of this if I recall correctly.

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>>48338712
Their poses though.

>>48338728
Kaz, all children are daemons, especially the calm ones.
>>48338756
I shall fix this image soon.

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>>48338756
Poor fella, rusted in place for 10,000 years.

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>>48338846
>all children are daemons, especially the calm ones.
You're already a child aren't you?
>>48338869
His mental fortitude must be out of this world.

>>48338869
Now it's complete, thanks.
>Poor fella
On the contrary, he enjoys it a lot! He won't fail the Omnissiah

>>48338887
I am childish, it's different. Besides, don't we all have an inner child? And I'm not talking about that "they're tasty" stuff.

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Just got Forgeworld outriders

What is this chicken leg bullshit

>>48338972
I'm watching you, daemonic scum.

>>48338972
We are playing with little plastic toys, are we not?

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>>48339032
Forge World MkIV. Enjoy your purchase.

It's bullshit FW couldn't make any other marks for the riders or enable you to use regular SM legs on the bikes (since they use Scout bikes as base and the legs on the two are at different angles). I just bought plastic GW bikes and used CSM biker legs to convert some MkVI bikers.

>>48338703
He's almost certainly very large.

>>48338711
Use them well, gentle tripfag.

>>48339037
Chill, I'm here for the Emperor
>>48339042
My point exactly. As well as canrcenogenic resins. We just need our leaded lunchboxes to have the complete DG toy kit 2bh

>>48339113
Wasn't referencing Bane.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDqbbf6ewk
>>48339129
Still watching you.

>>48339129
Don't forget those radioactive playsets from the 50s.