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>>48257354
>i2 meme

>>48257381
>oh sit, WAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHdup!

>Superstition is the Emperor's enemy. Luck is merely the manifested favor of His divine might.
If only the Imperium believed that first line.

>>48254872
it's not that, i just vaguely recall the rule coming from that book since it's not in the big rule book. it would be handy to have those times i've faced a knight. i don't think it's ever been brought up with my locals

Question for you lot - I need some more gribblies for my girlfriend's Nid army. As it stands it contains a flyrant, two carnifexes, half a dozen warriors, and about thirty genestealers with a couple of broodlords. There ain't no way I'm getting gaunts, the task of assembling and painting them will never get finished, it needs to be more along the nidzilla lines. I know another flyrant is the obvious choice, I may hold on until a slightly higher points value. I was thinking of zoanthropes and a tyrannocyte, perhaps, or maybe another couple of carnifexes. Any sage advice?

>>48257767
Buy her a Heroduel. She will give you anal.

>>48257767
Zoanthropes / Venomthropes box is good.

Both types are pretty nifty with some utility they add (Synapse and Psyker from Zoanthropes or Shroud from Venomthropes)

Heck you can even mix and match and build 1 Venomthrope and two Zoanthropes (or one Zoanthrope and a Nuerothrope sp?)

Plus it's only 3 models so you won't get overwhelmed.

Biovores are also fun S4 AP4 Large Blast Barrage for 45pts on a model smaller than a Terminator is golden. But I think they're finecast/metal so... ya

Just sharing Stormcloud Attack again, if anyone wants it. 1st half is typed out flyer stats, 2nd half is app screenshots.

https://mega.nz/#!dop3DCbC!Z67Rt8No1TKLeVFY98EN5JV9PuEEHe3iJuTfTzBBlw0

>>48257932
Thanks, might show my mate who plays Elysians.

>>48257544
Yeah, it is from the Escalation book. Still valid, however.
>i don't think it's ever been brought up with my locals
Because:
1. They don't know it exists, because they aren't interested in escalation (too large battles for most) or
2. They are faggots who spam super heavies, and don't want their opponent to have a decent chance.

Worse, you WILL encounter Knightfaggots/Eldarseholes who insists the rule is outdated and can't be used. My best suggestion would be to not play against them, because they aren't going to be fun playing against anyway.

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In game of Dark Heresy, Only War, etc, do your players often get medals?

>>48258023
>who insists the rule is outdated and can't be used.

unless they can prove the rule was updated in another book then they have no grounds to deny it

>>48258060
All the time, but this is probably not the right thread to talk about it in.

>>48258063
They will still try solely because they want the advantage of using super heavies against ordinary armies.

And some of them are quite potent, like -1 to the D table, so no deathblow result ever, and those D scythes will now only work half the time. So it really do matter for the average all-comer list.

>>48258110
Oh no! ONLY D3 Hullpoints/Wounds per hit! My D-weapon is ruined! /s

>Escalation is still relevant

You guys are peachy with me bringing a Transcendant C'tan then?

>>48258085
>but this is probably not the right thread to talk about it in.
Is there another 40k general?

>>48258211
The 40k RPG general.

>>48258211
>>48241064

>>48258211
>>48258233
Here's the link. >>48257582

>>48258201
I'm already drowning in warriors, what difference would it make besides having a flashier battle.

>>48258201
if you use the rules in 7th necrons sure, it was crazy in the esclation rules. knights might be popular but the previous rules were simply too much

>>48258197
well it does make it so 1s and 2s miss.

How much deep striking is too much for armies without access to turn 1 deep strike? 50% of points? 75% of points?

>>48258369
>if you use the rules in 7th necrons sure

That thing ain't a Transcendent C'tan, dude.

>>48258023
>escalation (too large battles for most)

Escalation was just a list of Super-Heavies and their statlines that were legal for non-apoc games.

>>48258417
30% points is good

>>48258420
it's not? wait, didn't they split up the profiles or something?

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So how big the basic minis really are? By basic I mean minis like space marine, tau fire warrior or imperial guard. I found information that their height is about 28 mm but I can't believe they are this small

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Is Anghkor Prok still legal to take? Apparently its rules are really old currently but I really want to try out a Kroot only kill team.

>>48257767
toxotrophe or awhatever the name of this cover cloud farting tentacle monster is.
It is annoying. Really annoying.

>>48258529
28mm is the average, but average infantry tend to be pretty small by non-wargaming standard. Battles would take up way too much space otherwise.

>>48258496

It's a normal C'tan shard. Doesn't even have any interesting abilities like the other two.

A nerf, I'm cool with. Stealth-removing the unit by lazily slapping it's name on something you threw together in five seconds, not so much.

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>>48258529
it's a wargame about miniatures. in this picture you have a wraithknight about to smash a space marine, the marine is 28mm while the wraithknight is about 9"

you need to go see it yourself in person

>>48258529
Doesn't matter what you believe, this isn't liberal arts college.

>>48258536
Make an agreement with your opponent.
Just ask your opponent
Talk with your opponent
TALK TO YOUR FUCKING OPPONENT

>>48258587
"Who?"
"EEeerrr......."
"I dunno, is he?"

>>48258587
Nuh-uuuh
I want the game to be arbitrated by an rigid impatial ruleset so I don't have to talk to anyone just roll dice and point.

>>48258529
height of a kabalite warrior is 34mm, so 28mm is not too far of. And they have big helmets.
The base (the little disc on which he stands is 25mm btw.

>>48258587
Chill. If I'd be doing this, it'd be against multiple people that I may not know really well. I don't want to have a list built and find out I can't actually play because I don't have a HQ.

>>48258602
Then its probably better not to. (Make a kroot-counts-as-ethereal maybe)

>>48258197
Miss on 1 and 2s and never ignore saves is a pretty big deal senpai

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>>48258558
>>48258575
>>48258601
Shit, I really have to give a look at them in LGS. Painting them will be probably a lot harder than I tought

Is this the right place to discuss lists? I'm starting to get a major case of cold feet regarding my current set up.

>>48258647
Miniature painting's more knowing how to do it than practiced skill at the low level (when compared to free hand painting). I don't know about local FLGS, but GW stores offer free painting lessons and a free mini. That'd be enough to get started.

>>48258675
Just post

>>48258675
Yes, just make sure you structure it well for more reliable feedback (check the 1d4chan 40k page about it)

>>48258647
The figures are actually larger than you'd expect. Like the Leman Russ taking up a 4x5" area. You could probably proxy a tissue box for the thing.

Now if you go watch some of the ww2 tabletop games like bolt action, THAT's tiny!

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>>48258647
Are you interested in 40k?
Not yet decided on an army?
Annnnnnnnnnnnd scared of painting?

I have THE solution for you: You want these. Seriously they are fuckeasy to paint. and still look good. Now easier then ever with GWs gemstone paints.

>>48258536
>Is Anghkor Prok still legal to take

yes, you are allowed to use the most up to date rules for a character

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>>48258647
you're not painting miniatures for Golden Demon. layering/washing/highlighting to make a tabletop standard is a little challenging at first but becomes easier overtime as you get better.

everyone's first minis look bad

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>>48258716
>>48258647
Guard infantry are also deceptively easy on the low level, but probably more time consuming.

>>48258716
I was thinking about them or Tau____ - both have small amount of details and faces, so maybe I will make them only a little bit retarded

>>48258682
If you insist.

Currently running a Guard army fluffed up as renegades, using the Caidan ruleset. I'm finw with everything except...

Emperor's Fist Armoured Company (775pts)

Tank Commander (300pts)
-Base (30pts)
-Leman Russ Vanquisher (135pts)
-Leman Russ Vanquisher (135pts)

Leman Russ Squad (120pts)
-Leman Russ Eradicator (120pts)
-Heavy Flamer (Free)

Leman Russ Squad (160pts)
-Leman Russ Battle Tank (150pts)
-Lascanon (10pts)

Leman Russ Squad (155pts)
-Leman Russ Executioner (155pts)
-Heavy Flamer (Free)

Enginseer (40pts)
-Base (40pts)

Emperor's Shield Infantry Platoon (697pts)

Infantry Platoon (547pts)
Platoon Command Squad (72pts)
-Base (30pts)
-Commander Krak Grenades (2pts)
-Vox Caster (5pts)
-Heavy Flamer (10pts)
-Ministorum Priest (25pts)

5x Infantry Squad (300pts)
-Base (50pts each)
-Vox Casters (5pts each)
-Grenade Launchers (5pts Each)

Conscripts (85pts)
-Base (60pts)
-Commissar (25pts)
-Boltgun (Free)

Heavy Weapon Squad (90pts)
-Base (45pts)
-3x Missile Launcher (45pts)

Armoured Sentinels (150pts)
-Base (40pts)
-2x Sentinels (80pts)
-3x Lascannons (10pts each)

The main problem I'm havign is the sentinels and Tank set-up. I originally took the sentinels so I could run the Emperor's shield formation, but looking over it again the special rules aren't that great. Is it worth losing the sentinels, replacing them with Las-Heavy Weapons teams and using the extra 50ish points to retrofit my Leman Russ squads?

>>48258744
Tau have a lot of tricks to make them easier, especially with spray cans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWDsxnoIiRo This video gives a good example. In the long run just pick what you like, just going for the easy option that you don't 100% love is not always a good idea.

>>48258747
I'll get back to you when I've finished rereading the Cadian Supplement...again. I swear I've read it four times and the rules and particulars still allude me.

>>48258776
I liked Tau and Tyranids lore, but the second one seems to be a bad idea for Kill Team or Low Point Games (which I want to play mainly). Same problem with Necrons - easy to paint but start collecting box contains a small amount and variety of minis. That's why I'm torn apart between Tau and Space Wolves - these fuckers just look amazing and I'm thinking about risk with them

>>48258747
Quick skim through.

Formatting help: remove mentioning free stuff, not really worth mentioning.

Don't take Vanquishers, they are awful. It might seem like a good idea, but they're likely to miss their shots/not do anything and don't have a blast radius.

Don't bother with heavy flamers/grenade launchers on guard, either go full lasguns or the melta/plasma option. Drop the ministorum priest unless you're taking 20+ blob squads (guard are so bad in melee it needs to stack heavily). In fact, consider dropping the commissar and giving the conscripts the priest instead but go full blob.

I personally don't like the missile launcher on HWS, I prefer taking lascannon or nothing. I also prefer scout sentinels but that's much more a personal thing.

>>48258849
>risk
You'll never actually irreversibly damage a mini. The worst you can really do is paint to thickly and need to strip it (which is super easy, see /wip/ about it). If you know someone, or have a GW store near you - you can get an easy free lesson that will make starting so easy.

>>48256212
Most walkers can get 5+ cover ridiculously easily, if you're playing with the proper amount of terrain.

Daemon saves on CSM vehicles are hugely overpriced and overestimated.

>>48258858
Any idea what to replace the Vanquishers with? If I drop to Scout Sentinels and lose the Commissar I've got an extra 40pts to play around with. Up to 65pts if I drop the Grenades.

>>48258889
Yeah, I will surely do it - stuff is really helpful but I just hadn't enough spare time to visit LGS. Hell, the first thing is I need to finally see these minis IRL and decided if they are worth my poorfag cash or should I stick with x-wing

>>48258747
Ok, you need at least one sentinel to remain battleforged. So don't throw all of them away lest you risk the wrath of the playerbase. Plus, your footslogging 70+ soldiers across the board, so you need every mobility buff you can get and move through cover is pretty nice. Plus, Fire and Advance lets your heavy weapons teams move and fire on the same turn.

What i you PCS doing? Is he up front setting people on fire? In the back giving orders? Jumping into Melee with the priest? I'm not following.

If you can drop enough points to grab a CCS, you can make this a Cadian battle group, and suddenly you get more orders and a buch of useful command traits to better control your army.

The tanks: Why does the Battle Tank have a Lascannon? You'll need that techpriest slapping power of the machine spirit on the tank constantly to use the lascannon for more than snapshots. If your going to put the lascannon on anything it should be on Vanquisher commander to take advantage of BS4. Don't underestimate the techpriest, either! That guy can repair your tanks, remove crew stunned results for one weapon per turn, remobilize, AND turns an AP2 weapon penetration from "1 in 6 chance to insta-kill your tank" to "1 in 36 chance to gib the tank".

One tank in each squadron, and two of the same tank in the command squadron is good. Keep that format.

>>48258914
>Most units can get ignores cover ridiculously easily, if you're playing with the proper army.

>>48258934
The default battle cannon is the most reliable all rounder but the demolisher and punisher are options for the other end of the scale.

In your opinion, What is the best allied army for imperial guard?

>>48258858
Vanquisher is better than usual in this context. Remember, both Vanquishers have BS4 under this formation. So if you kit them out with Lascannons your going to be hitting somewhere between 2 and 3 High Strength AP2 weapons per turn. If he went Pask, he'd also be rerolling to hit, to pen, and rerolling ones for the co-tank.

>>48258984
more imperial guard

>>48258942
The original plan for PCS was upfront and burning loyalist scum, with the CCS/Lord Commissar at the back barking orders.

>>48258960
>>48258990
Right, so, move the Lascannon onto the Vanquisher, add another to the other boyo and spend a few points on Pask?

>>48258984
Depends on the guard. Inquisition can buff both ends of the spectrum.

>>48258990
>>48259008
Good point. I still personally think it's a lot of point sink for something that can't really do both. Infantry lascannons are considerably less point sink for pure anti-tank.

>>48259028
True, but the Infantry lascannons are inevitably going to have to fire through their own troops (5+ cover to the enemy) or won't get the fire and advance order (Meaning they can't fire for a turn) and they're BS3 (Meaning only 1 out of every 3 shots is likely to even hit).

I've personally point-sinked my own Emp's Fist Company HQ to the point of Fallacy: Double Vanquisher, Double Lascannon, Kane's Harold, Pask, AND plasma sponsons. I would not recommend this to the list we're currently discussing. Pask and lascannons yes, but Harold and sponsons? No.

>>48258743
>Eyes on smooth surfaces.jpg

Don't let this anon fool you.

>>48258951
I wish. Only one guy has easy access to Ignore Cover in my meta... and it's the Tau player. I know shocking.

>I feel they were super selective with Ignore Cover. Your faction either has it on speed dial or not at all.

>>48259112
>>48259028
Should I change the configurations of the other three tanks (aside from moving the lacannon)? I've got fifteen points to fiddle with.

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>>48258587
Calm down mongloid. Most people are willing to talk to their opponent. But it's time to stop pretending that Scatbike spammers brought an alternate list to run, just in case someone doesnt want to play vs 36 jetbikes.

Or that the double Stormsurge guy has a few foam trays full of Kroot and Tau tanks to swap out for one of his Riptide wings.

Because this doesnt happen. People show up with the list they want to play, thats it. I know its empowering, and an ego-boost for you to pretend that we are all autists who are incapable or unwilling to 'TALK TO OUR OPPONENTS' - but you can snap out of your little fantasy now. Because it is most definately not an accurate portrayal of the average pick up game at an lgs.

>>48259000
But a already have 71+ of the little bastards...

>>48259028
Any suggestions for how to make an Inquisitor to complement a infantry based guard force?

>>48258536
Look in the HoR Kill Team rules - Kroot Auxiliary list has lots of cool stuff.

If you're playing GW Kill Team (why?) then no, you can't use him because he's not in the Tau codex.

>>48259112
> they're BS3 (Meaning only 1 out of every 3 shots is likely to even hit).
err no
BS3 is 50% or 1 in 2

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Where were you the day the humble rhini killed the riptide the day it was anchored?

>>48259185
You could use the Inquisitorial Henchmen's access to relatively cheap psykers and just spam blessings.

>>48259183
not him but that does bring up a good point. how much of your collection do you usually bring? i think i bring most of mine so at least 3k of daemons but i rarely need more then 1500 and 90 models or so

>>48259245
No one anchors Stormsurges, so meh.

>>48258951
Fair point, but the Forgefiend's still way overpriced.

>>48259185
>71+
You're not even halfway to being able to run the Cadian Infantry Core detachment

>>48259172
I say keep the lascannons on the tanks because there will be a lot of situations where having some AP2 will be helpful even with the BS3. Like facing Riptides or Stormsurges it's always good to have the lascannon because if your target isn't killable by the battle cannon just throwing some laser goodness at it is sure to ruin their day.

>>48259232
I round down because I'm a pessimist during mathhammer. Only I ever roll ones; the enemy will always roll a six. Therefore my techpriests always get their full servitor retinue and nobody gets plamsa without prefered enemy.

>>48259245

I'm one of the biggest critics of the Stormsurge you can get, for many reasons... But this is still a dumb ruling.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

>>48259263
I bring just the list I intend to play. The only time I ever see anyone bring extra/alternate is for flyers/no flyers.

>>48259283
I'm keeping the Lascannons, just moving them to the Vanquishers. I was just unsure about the main guns of the others.

>>48259308
It doesnt really matter at all though. Stormsurges are never anchored, at least not in any of the games Ive ever seen or played.
And it goes without saying - now that this rule is in effect, no Taufag will ever anchor a Stormsurge if he's playing against a vehicle capable of tank shock.

>>48259344

>A unit which can get two shooting phases for standing still the previous turn and this doesn't ever stand still

???

>>48259263
Same. I have a whole collection of each god and I have a list for each of them, I usually ask who I am playing which god they want to see before we deploy.

>>48259365
Have you personally ever seen one anchored?

>>48259403
I have. But he was playing against Knights and SM.

>>48259172
Put a Bolter on the Eradicator and Executioner. They don't have ordinance so those bolters can fire unmolested. If you want, you can stick a heavy flamer on the Battle Tank, because while a snap firing heavy bolter is unlikely to do anything, the flamer will come in handy if someone gets close to your lines and you don't want to risk the cannon straying into your own lines.

Executioner I'm kinda flip-floppy about. The Vanquishers, HWTs, and Sentinals got lots of AT between them, but 5 guardsmen squads, conscripts, and command teams got no shortage of anti-infantry. I guess there's no reason NOT to take an executioner sense it can do both work.

You got 15 extra points? Buy a servitor for your techpriest. Increase the Blessings of the Omnissiah rolls by one while keeping a meatshield for your mechanic.

>>48259269
That Infantry core is insane. I'm pretty sure someone at GW just really likes gunlines, because moving that many troops will mean hour-long movement phases. At least the armor core can get away with 5 tanks minimum, not 150 troopers plus command!

>>48259410
Protip: a Stormsurge has so much dakka that anchoring isnt even necessary, also it cant stomp when its anchored

>inb4 'Stormsurges dont stomp hurrdurr'

Competitive players walk their SS up the board, destroying everything.

>>48259449
>pretty sure someone at GW just really likes gunlines

Yeah, it has nothing to do with driving sales. It's gameplay related!

>>48259413
Well, that leaves me with five points to spare, so I think I'll just splurge it on something stupid. Thanks for your help anons!

>>48259413
Here's my recommendation if you have lots of Tau in your meta,bring lascannons on all of your tanks. It will still be on sixes if you fire your ordinance weapons but Tau players love bringing units with 2+ armor. And it's better to keep the lascannons as a back up just in case than to not have them at all.

>>48259454
>tau are better in CC than CSM
gw pls

>>48259454
I was just saying that I've seen it happen. I believe at the end of the game the Tau lost because the Knight with 1HP remaining killed the Stormsurge.

>>48259454
>Implying the stormsurge will survive being charged
I killed an un anchored riptide with guardsmen, bayonets and a single powerfist.

>>48259245
Well, that's one stormsurge that should of died.

>>48259579
>I did something once so that means it would happen like that every time

>>48259549
They're better than Orks too.

>>48259579
Sounds like the Tau player was a retard?
One round stomp wouldve crushed your guardsmen. Which most shouldnt have even been able to hurt the SS anyway.

Im guessing your story is bullshit.

Ramming damage should still increase with distance.

>>48259615
Those were guards, they were there to lock it in CC hold as much as they could and die, not killing it, if a dedicated cc unit lock combat with the riptide it's most likely it'll go down.

>>48258536
Wait, we had a kroot HQ?

Rules where?

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>>48259646
>Which most shouldnt have even been able to hurt the SS anyway.
>Implying
Two turns of cc, a powerfist and a granade per combat phase can do wonders.

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>>48259185
>He only has 71 gaurdsmen.

You can only tank shock gargantuans with super heavies guys. Tank shock removing a stormsurge will likely never happen unless the tau player is incredibly absent-minded and playing against a baneblade or lord of skulls maybe

>>48259757
Not seeing how Guardsmen with a PF and a grenade kill an 8 wound GC in two turns. Especially considering Stomp.

>>48259847
Anything with the tank rule can tank shock, where's this super-heavy only bit coming from.

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>>48259847
>You can only tank shock gargantuans with super heavies guys.
Don't lie anon.

>>48259403

I have, in both games I've played against one.

I've also seen both opponents have the raw stupidity to un-anchor their Stormsurges again and lose out on vital firepower.

Mind you, I think people who field them might just be retards. One of those two games was Tau vs Tau, and the guy was dumb enough to declare my Ghostkeel unit as a target for his Stormsurge.

Yeah, enjoy not getting to score a single wound this turn retard.

>>48259245
They validated long range flamer overwatch. Good grief.

>>48259857
They were like 16 guards and a commissar with pf.

>>48259847
You know how I know you don't play 40k?

>>48259896

Torchstar: Nothin' personell, kid.

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As everyone with any level of reading comprehension could have told you, this is always what the rule was trying to say, it was just really poorly worded.

>12 pages of Tau FAQs
>literally every ruling was obvious beforehand

Now I need to know. How autistic are the other people that play this race? Were people really confused by this stuff?

>>48259916
that's stil only 3 potential wounds per turn, 4 on the charge, not accounting for hitting or wounding

>>48259974
10 pages faq, 2 pages erratera

>>48259974

To be fair, it was a poorly patched together combo of a 6th ed codex, a couple new units, some formations, and like three different supplements.

>>48259974
>Were people really confused by this stuff?
Noone's is ever confued, they are just milking it for power.

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>>48259974
>Farsight Enclave players can now take Farsight AND Tau Empire signature sytems

>>48260087
AND infinitely spawning piranhas

>have a bunch of Blood Angels and Grey Knights

Can I make a fun army out of this?

>>48257767
get a malanthrope from FW
if she knows what that is
she'll throw you the dome

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>>48259946

>>48259921
>>48259883
>>48259875

Yeah I got it wrong, simply thunderblitz's are treated as regular tank shocks/rams. Which frankly makes even less sense but this was already a reversal from the first FAQ so I give up

>>48260022
Just stop replying to him. It's a retarded argument and his scenario never happened.

>>48260022
The first round of combat I made 5 wounds and the next round I made 4 more, mathhammer is not an absolute you deluded imbecile.

>>48259946
So, coordinated firepower affects only units from the same 'Detachment' - which means units from the Hunter Contingent only.

Taufags arguing for armywide disgust me. Fuck all Tau players.

>>48259896
>Plop a unit of suits with 6 flamers in the middle of your gun-line.
>They can now overwatch with wall of death profiles against units charging from as far as 24" away from the suits

This is just stupid

>>48260228
>implying the Stormsurge didnt Stomp

Stop anon. Stop.

What's the best way to run a Demi-Company for a 1000pt game? I play Iron Hands if that helps.

>>48260273
Thats the Tau army though. Give them every advantage possible to maximize sales to the 'that guy' demographic.

>>48260281
>implying tau players ever bothered to read up combat rules.

>>48260281
Only5 guards and the commissar in the end, I didn't said they tore the stormsurge into pieces unscratched, I didn't expect them to survive, that they killed the thing was weird enough.

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Guys please, PLEASe

How do I make a good Tyranids list? I'm tired of getting my shit pushed in by try hards with Daemons and Marines.

>>48260306
I mean I thought the routine care and comfort that loyalist armies got over chaos was almost inexplicable given the latter's penchant for receiving not-even-proofread or semi-useless rules as a pity gift for all the shit they give the imperium.

But willingly codifying one of the dumbest rule interpretations that allows you to more than triple the effective range of an entire unit? If you thought markerlight/hunter contingent was already fucking stupid and allowed tau to demolish armies dependent on cover saves, here's the ability to also grant yourself mass amount of walls of death for every unit in your army.

>>48260372
>How do I make a good Tyranids list?
Nothing but Hormagaunts

>>48260406
And flyrants, all the flyrants you can.

>>48260106
How many formations of infinite piranhas should I take?

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>>48260372
Do it faggot.

>>48260022
>that's stil only 3 potential wounds per turn
Are you unaware that S3 attacks can hurt a stormsurge? The other anon even posted a chart here.
>>48259757

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So, how do you avoid cheese in a bike army, specifically for Ravenwing?

>>48260511
>playing ravenwing
>avoiding cheese
lol

Different anon here who just looked at a SS statline

Holy shit lol, that's really not that scary.

>>48260511
T5 fast moving relentless hammer of wrathing troops for only 50% more per man than a regular foot soldier can't be done without cheesing.

>>48260511
Keep in check plasma spam, basically that's it.

>>48260534
tau are weak in most respects but their tech and guns make up for it

>>48260534
>Different anon here who just looked at a SS statline
>
>Holy shit lol, that's really not that scary.
It's not a melee unit, it doesn't live of it's stats, it's lives of its armaments and special rules.

>>48260568
>>48260573
Oh the guns are terrifying but I didn't know it was T6 with a 3+

>>48260573
>Stormsurge
>not scary

Play vs. two of them and watch your army get alpha striked off the table.

Play vs. one of them and watch the Tau player pick you apart as you try to eliminate the SS in one turn, leaving the rest of his army intact.

Stormsurges are incredible, dont kid yourself.

>>48260595
Just remember GC's get FNP for free and reduce ID to d3 wounds.

>>48259896
It was literally always like that, and playing it differently was straight up ignoring clear RAW as well as RAI.

Faggots, the lot of you. I play Salamanders, and this has come up numerous times, and they keep insisting I am bending the rules. Good thing GW finally cleared up crystal clear rules that had absolutely 0 room for interpretation, because some people are too retarded to read two fucking sentences.

>>48260608
>How me am read reply chain?

>>48260595
The real issue is 10W with a 4++ and stock FNP. It's almost impossible to kill in a single turn unless you are also using a top-tier codex or very specific single model removal strategy (DThirster/Force weapons/Misfortune + WOF)

>>48260638
8 wounds.

>>48260561
Strong unit =/= Cheese.

>>48260653
>He thinks bike armies aren't cheese.

>>48260652
You can tell I don't play tau and frankly detest them can't you?

But yeah, point stands regardless. I really wish Tau didn't also gets wounds for so fucking cheap comparatively as well. 6 wound MCs are nigh impossible to find elsewhere, and the Tau get one for 180 base.

>>48260694
Bias is no excuse to misrepresent facts.

>>48259974
Are you new?

People on /tg/ have been trying to dumb down Tau through rules lawyering for years now, and it certainly isn't Tau players doing the asking, most of it has been trying to nerf them.

I don't play Tau, and I don't give 2 shits about these FAQs, so I haven't even read them, but I can tell you already: Most of it is DEFNITELY not Tau players doing the asking.

Tau player, mostly happy with this FAQ: Stormsurge tank shock thing is dumb, but Stormsurges are cancer so who gives a shit...

My one complaint is that the Eight are still unplayable. I want my HQ broadside dammit.

>>48259946
Obviously.

Fuck you ATT, I told you so, and you FUCKING DELETED MY POST YOU PIECE OF SHIT MODS. And I was RIGHT, because this ruling was SO FUCKING OBVIOUS to anyone with half a brain.

Oh wait, Tau. Fuck my army.

>>48259245
AHAHAHAHA MY ANGRY SCOTTISH VYPER PILOT GONNA GET PROMOTED NEXT GAME

>>48260672
Are Dark Eldar armies with nothing but reavers and venom/raider mounted troops cheese then?

>>48260807
No, they're not even strong units.

So I have like 50 Kitbashed kasrikins. How badly a Harakoni Warhawk (ALL CARAPACE DROP TROOPERS ALL THE TIME) fail? I wouldn't mind if I won once in a blue moon

>>48260787
Vyper's aren't tanks.

I finished a start collecting : Dark Eldar set and didn't really enjoy painting and modelling it.

The raider had too many small and fiddly parts for my liking. I prefer simpler designs to vehicles and the infantry look a bit... without character.

Anyways this is just an explanation of why I want people to post their race and why they are the best!

>>48260807
Venom/Raider troops aren't bikers, so it's not a biker army.

Biker armies take bikers as their mandatory troops and whatever fun shit they want on the side.

>>48260837
Skitarii are the bes...well they...
Fuck I bought Start Collecting Skitarii and now I have to buy two rulebooks.

>>48259245
That face when you realize the humble DE-Raider can tankshock and is faaa-aaaaast

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>>48260837
Orks, because they're ALL character.

>>48260426
4
one per table quarter.
and ofcourse remember 2 missiles per piranha as they get renewed aswell

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I could use a second opinion on my SM chapter's symbol.
My colour scheme is blue on silver, with white trim.

I'm calling them the Justicars, with their fluff being that they see themselves as protectors/guardians of the Imperium.
I'm stuck between two designs for their symbol.

1: Silhouette of a doberman-like dog, white on a blue field. I found the black dog's head image on google, and is roughly what I'm going for. I've gotten a bit better at freehanding the symbol since I took this crappy photo.
Thematically this would represent their being "watchdogs."

2: I quite like the sword-killing-a-snake design from the 30k Blackshields transfer sheet by Forgeworld. This too looks like it would work well for my chapter, even down to complementary colouring. However, the transfer is £16, and only comes w/ 5 shoulder-pad-sized transfers in white. That's rather cost prohibitive, and I'm not sure I could freehand something that complex.

Thoughts?

>>48260837
>The raider had too many small and fiddly parts for my liking.
most are optional.....
Tau because it makes /tg/ cry

>>48260910
Get printable transfers and churn out as many of both emblems as you want

>>48260941
That's a thing?

>>48260910
>1: Silhouette of a doberman-like dog
BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK

> sword-killing-a-snake design from the 30k Blackshields
Only if you work some secret into your chapters backstory. Don't make it actual loyalist wolfs

My group is Admech, Eldar, and SM.

If I'm gonna start Tau, what sort of army comp should I go towards?

>>48260910
I like the scheme and logo, but my only thought about it is that Justicar/justiciar is a rank held by Grey Knights, so it kind overlaps with their fluff.

That being said, I haven't played Grey Knights since 5e so I don't know if that term is still in use in their fluff or in the game nowadays.

>>48260980


Riptides.

>>48260957
Both for laser and inkjet.

>>48260957
look for "Water-Slide Decal Paper"

>>48260980
Start small, the Start Collecting set is worth buying twice. Afterwarts see their powerlevel and adjust accordingly

>>48260957
It is. Although, it is next to impossible to find a printer under 300$ with white tonner so don't expect to have easy cutfree water transfers

>>48260981
>Justicar/justiciar is a rank held by Grey Knights, so it kind overlaps with their fluff.

It does not. Fluffwise the chapter is unlikely to even be aware of the existence of the Grey knights

>>48260981
The overlap doesn't bother me much. 40k has overlap like that all over the place; the local law enforcement (non-Arbites) in one of the Ciaphas Cain books were called Justicars, for example.

That being said, I'm open to other judge-esque sounding, or defense-oriented names.
It's just that none of the others I've come up with roll of the tongue.
Imperial Sentinels
Star Wardens (their look already draws enough comparison to the Storm Wardens for my taste)
Hounds of the Emperor
Blue Jackals or Star Jackals (their symbol started as a jackal and worked its way to doberman w/ revisions)

I dunno. I'm open to suggestions.

>>48261027
Good to know.

>>48260993
>>48261005
Thanks.

If somebody were to start your army, what HQ choice/big model would you build it around?

Never mind how useful it is on the table, just the most awesome looking thing your army has, why is it awesome?

>>48261027
maybe ask local copyshops if they have something like that....

>>48261040
Ah I guess my knowledge of the Grey Knights is outdated, I just got back into the hobby anyways.
Thanks.

>>48261079
Blue Sentinels
Stalwart Shields
Azure Judges

just a few off the top of my head. Justiciars is probably fine for your purposes.

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>>48261147
The Lord of change looks pretty awesome imo.

>>48260638
What about Executioner spam? Two with lascannons should give you enough firepower to knock it out in a turn.

>>48261258
I totally agree and this was actually one of the first things I thought of. However it is intimidating as fuck from a painting standpoint. Any thoughts?

>>48261271
It's like 20% plain cloth, 15% leathery skin, 5% beak and claws, and 59% feathers. It's not a particularly difficult model to pain, but we're due for a replacement at some point in the future. Maybe.

>>48261266
That tank is the plasma version and stop spreading the
>just waste 140 points on two lascannon shots meme

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>>48261271
Finally my Riptide can have the Earth Caste Pilot Array again!

HERE I COME, MY DARLING HEAVY BURST CANNON!

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Jesus christ those FAQs. Why are they answering questions by mentally retarded people?

Seriously, look at the top answer in this picture. Who the fuck is this retarded? How did the original question look, because I refuse to accept anyone could clearly spell out such a question, they'd be too dumb to even read the rules in the first place, Jesus fucking christ.

My faith in humanity is dropping at the speed of Warp. No wonder Horus turned traitor.

So I never had much interest in 40K because it seems like a boring mass infantry game (what's the point of arranging all of those little guys on the table when you're just going to take them away on turn 1?) but it looks like the rules now allow you to take entire armies of giant robots, which is much cooler and more interesting.

So has anyone on /tg/ tried an all-giant-robot game of 40K yet? I'm thinking I could run a Tau army with four or five of the riptides and three of the storm surges, and my opponent could do some of those Imperial Knights allied with those bulky adeptus mechanic robots. Would this work out in gameplay terms?

I also can't stand painting, so it'd be great if i didn't have to paint the faces and eyeballs on 200 generic infantrymen.

>>48261303
Well with the plasma sponsons on both you have 10 potential strength 7 AP2 wounds right there and with two lascannons your potentially up two more.

>>48261301
Hmm, I'll have to think about it. The feathers are the bit that looks hard to me as i'd be wanting to fade different shades of blue as you go down the wings.

>>48261381
Kill yourself. In your next life, pick a different game.

You fags are the cancer killing 40k.

>>48261381
Well one thing is no one paints eyes on their infantry models. And probably wouldn't work too good but you could always try a Blood Angels Dreadnought only army because they actually have an HQ one too.

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>>48261271
I still need to work on the wings and the shading but the painting was far easier than putting the thing together. The contact points were rather small and it was one of the older metal ones.

>>48261472
>painting was far easier than putting the thing together.
No shit...

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>>48261427
some people do but wish they hadn't

>>48261427
Oh. I heard from some players that you don't really need an HQ anymore and you can just pick and choose whichever units you want. They said there was some kind of benefit to having regular troops like they could hold territory, but I just want to shoot the enemy.

>>48261472
>>48261496
Are the Lords of Change plastic now at least or still metal?

>>48261517
He's seen some shit

>>48261524
Varies, some are plastic other are cancer, I mean resin.

>>48261524
Finecast. Same sculpt.
>>48261472
Yeah, the metal one is a massive pain in the ass. The plastic one can't come soon enough.

>>48261524
resin

I was hoping /tg/ could point me in the right direction.

I find most of the races incredibly interesting and that is making it very hard to pick a unit to start with (don't want a start collecting box as it will probably feel a bit overwhelming for me despite the savings)

Any advice? I like them all and don't want to regret what I go with and wish I chose something else.

New tau FAQ about firing the same weapon with different profiles is full fucking retard.

In no place EVER has any unit been allowed to fire the same weapon twice with different profiles. Guess NDKs can use both psycannon profiles, fire prisms can use more than one of theirs, missile dreads can use both profiles. Did the fucker who wrote that forget his fucking brain?

>>48261720
If you like everything, then the easiest, safest box would be a standard tactical marine box. You can use it for any marine faction, including chaos if you wanted.
These marines can easily become standard tacticals, or veterans, or devestators, or anything that uses the standard marine frame. Buy jump packs separate and they are now assault and vanguard guys in a pinch.

>>48261553
Wow so that sculpt is almost 20 years old now, isn't it? I think it came out late in 97.

>>48261762
>New tau FAQ about firing the same weapon with different profiles is full fucking retard.
Looking through them, I only see a snarky "Yeah, you can use the Ordanance and Overcharge profile on the Riptide Ion Accelerator, except you can't, because it is fucking Ordanance you dunce."

Which page are you refering to?

>>48261784
Chaos and Orks are chock-full of ancient sculpts. The LoC and the GUO have both held up okay. The Keeper and the old Bthirster less so.

>>48261784
That sculpt is older than me.

>>48260440

How is that list even suppose to work?

>>48261784
the plastic land raider came out in 2001

Is there a data slate somewhere for the aegis defense line? I'm thinking of getting one so my Armor of Shadows devastators can re roll 1's for plasma cannons.

>>48261908
In the fortifications book.

>>48261908
Rules for fortifications are in the rule book.

>>48261859
>>48261869
>>48261784

So the Lord of Change refuses to change. Just as planned...

>>48261859
i gotta disagree, the LoC looks horrible but the keeper model grew on me

>>48261908
i believe you can find it's rules with the model if/when you buy it

>>48261859
Am I the only one that prefers the old bloodthirster to the newer one?

>>48261908
Doesn't the new faq specifically say you can't reroll gets hot?

>>48261931
no
>>48261941
no
>>48261926
yes

>>48262051
It says you can't reroll the separate gets-hot rolls for blast/template weapons with a to hit reroll.

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So I just did the math and realized that The Eight are pretty much a 1500 point army by themselves. Are they actually viable in a 1500 point game?

Ideas for reworking Eldar:
Wraithguard are 0-1 per Spiritseer OR goes back to old Distort rules
Windriders go back to 1/3 heavy weapons
Crimson Hunters lose squadding

Any other ideas?

>>48262128
Wraithknights are now 500 points.

So...squats? Why were they removed? Space dwarves sound super cool.

>>48259449
>be me
>play renegades and heretics
>average 250+ models a game
>move them in under five minutes
I feel no pain for imperial scum

>>48262178
Too much overlap and to gimmicky.

>>48260837
Guard, because I wanted a horde army that could do well.
And because 10 lascannons are getting close to enough lascannons.

>>48262095
Normal rerolls work on blasts, reroll of specific numbers doesn't work.

>>48262178
They were moving away from "space elves", "space chaos warriors", "space orcs", etc., basically trying to give each 40k race a bit of personality of its own beyond "fantasy army in space". Apparently they never really came up with anything other than "space dwarfs" for the squats, and so were pretty unsatisfied with the race. Years went by, nobody had the passion to reimagine the squats (remember, the GW designers work on what they feel like) and eventually they just kind of gave up on the race.

>>48262178
>>48262250
They were also only really relevant in epic, so when that went by the wayside there wasn't much left of them.

>>48262237
Rerolls to-hit, but get's hot is not to-hit on blast weapons

>>48262271
Gets Hot and Re-rolls
If a model has the ability to re-roll its rolls To Hit (including because of BS6+ or the
Twin-linked special rule), a Wound is only suffered if the To Hit re-roll is also a 1; it may
also re-roll Gets Hot results of 1 for weapons that do not roll To Hit.

>imperial truth wants to enforce atheism and remove superstition
>chaos gods and the warp
>corrupts humanity and leads to the emperors death and godhood
checkmate atheists

>>48262250
>a race that's long out of date, lacking in character, that no one on the design team is passionate about

gee who does that sound like

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post YFW you realize the plastic terminators are one of the oldest plastic kits GW has made and still haven't been redone. (I hope to fuck terminators get a rework next codex/edition/whatevs)

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>>48262310
Not on blasts.

>>48262348
You do realise that's only pertains to rerolls of 1?

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>>48262347

>>48262128
wraithguard get the old we are half-dreaming on the battlefield without a spiritseer/warlock rule back.
Wave Serpent can become assault transport for banshees / storm guardians.
1 weaponplatforms per 5 guardian defenders as 1 per 10 means 9 dudes wll do nuffin while 1 shoots a missile at a vehicle
rangers should get something, but dunno what
vibrocannon gets 2 shots as it is rather weak currently
maybe wraithknight/wraithlord to T7 as T8 is hard to wound for many.

>>48262357
Nowhere in the answer does it say that.
It quiet clearly states that gets hot is not a to hit roll and thus does not get to reroll

Though desu this fucking faq needs an faq

>>48262380
The rulebook states that attacks that don't roll to hit still get to reroll the gets hot if you have a full reroll.

>>48262367
I'm of the opinion they should just do some quality ork resculpting while they're doing AoS Orruks, possibly even splitting up sprues in such a way that they can use certain sprues in both to save on manufacture. but that would make sense! can't have that.

>>48262370
>Wave Serpent can become assault transport for banshees / storm guardians.
Maybe do a doubl edeal, so the serpent shield discharge lets it count as assault vehicle because the charged enemy i stunned?

>>48262225
How do you find painting them? How long did it take and are the faces hard? Especially the eyes...

>>48262396
FAQ>CODEX>BRB

>>48262396
FAQ is newer and thus supersedes anything in the rulebook my friend

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>>48262367
>>48262347

back to the crib, younglings. The plastic part is AFAIK the oldest plastic kit still in production

>>48262425
And the FAQ only mentions that rerolls of 1 don't work, it doesn't contradict anything else.

>>48261769
Anybody else gonna chime in and support their race/faction?

If not what SM chapters do you recommend?

>>48262438
The FAQ does not say that, the question used rerolls of 1's as an example, the answer said NO REROLLS, nothing about 1's

>>48262404
only when it works on units that the wave serpent flies over, while the passengers jump out to engage the enemy.
Rule of Cool.
And yes a one-use ability is perfectly acceptable

>>48262462
It IS a rear hatch, so maybe

>>48262453
No it doesn't, it says no to rerolls of 1 then says gets hot for blasts isn't a to hit roll. Which is fine as you can reroll for weapons that don't roll to hit.

>>48262486
>>48262438
>>48262453
I'm starting to see why they got so many stupid fucking questions for these FAQs.

>>48262486
Listen bud, I know this fucks with your cheesey plasma spam, but I'm reading EXACTLY what the faq says, you are reading what you feel like the writer meant.
It clearly says NO REROLLS.
Get over it.

>>48262524
No you're not. The question is whether rerolls of 1's work. The answer is no. Then it states that a gets hot roll isn't a to hit roll. Which has always been true.

>>48262524
FAQ says no to roll of 1 rerolls.

If it was all inclusive it'd also mention twiin-linked.

>>48262556
Yes I am, learn to read bro. Sorry you can't plasma spam anymore.

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>>48262348
Still not sure why this question was asked in the first place

Holy shit I post a question and come back to the thread burning down. Thanks /40kg/, lmao.

>>48262573
I don't even have gets hot weapons in my army, I'm just not going to read more into a FAQ than what it says

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Can't wait until we get Sigmar'd.

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>>48262453
Answer to the specific question of abilities allowing you to specifically re-roll 1's said "No".

also can anyone help a necron player out. ive been looking for an image that was a quote about how the galaxy was dead and peacful and silent and shit, i think it was a discontinued poster but it was perfect phone wallpaper height kthxbye

>>48262595
Because the reroll 1's IS a reroll of to-hit, sadly people just don't get GW's "If we meant it we would have written it" rule and make assumptions.

>>48262435
nope, jebike kit was resculpted recently, and the autarch bits are just resin addons to the base windrider kit

>>48262669
It's strange since the implication of the FAQ author seems to contradict the rule book entirely.

>>48262665
But its the old jetbike.......

>>48262691
No, Rulebook didn't mention perferred enemy or Clan Raukaan Tempered Helmet, just BS 6 and twin-linked.

GW rules are "Mother may I"

>>48260910
>'m calling them the Justicars
just FYI
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Fractured

>>48261427
>Well one thing is no one paints eyes on their infantry models
i do.

>>48262703
the pic is, but if you buy one today you'll get the resculpted windrider base and then the parts to add to it.
source: friend at LGS just bought 2 for his eldar, old resin autarch bits, new windrider sprue.

>>48262719
Those were just examples

Hence the "(including..."

Or maybe it would've helped to say "(including but not limited to..."

>>48262741
Apparently not, hence the FAQ.

>>48260739
Call them out. Gloves off. Gauntlet throw. Fight fight fight

Why hasn't games workshop released new armies? I feel like the last new ones were the Tau and Necrons, and that was 15 years ago.

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>>48262755
I'm so confused

>>48262738
do they even fit?
Is it the same for shining spears?

>>48262770
Skitarii?

Personally, no, I don't want new armies. They barely can manage all the armies they have (DEldar, GK, Blood Angels, Nids, CSM, Orks, IG). Like half the armies get stomped by anything in the top four.

>>48262770
Because designing, writing, manufactuering the tools, producing the models, and maintaing a whole new model range for which you have to pay for storage and shelfspace is no small task.
Especially when they are currently working on establishing a whole new game and setting with AoS.
I wouldn't hold my breath.

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>>48262419
Painting guardsmen faces is easy! Just use this simple recipe:
1) Ratskin Flesh base paint
2) Kislev Flesh layer paint
3) Seraphim Sepia Shader
4) Agrax Earthshade Shader
5) Optional Kislev flesh Highlight (just poke the nose, cheeks, and knuckles with a little itty bit of watered-down paint)

Done. Don't paint the eyes or it'll look weird, and from the angle you'll be observing them on the table the eyes are obscured anyways. Finally, get good at thinning your paint, because the consistency is what makes or breaks face painting for guys this small.

Photo is shitty because old phone is old and shitty.

>>48262121
>charged by Squad of grey Knights and dread knight turn two.
> while squad swept after combat

>>48262628
Isn't that still WiP rules and not official?

>>48262811
what if you want latino, african or other skin tones?

>>48262770
gw can't even be bothered to keep sisters current, but some of their small books like cult mech, skittles, and murder mimes seem alright.

>>48262435
>Ork buggies
Literally from gorkamorka. You lose.

>>48262824
>WIP
They are as they are intended to be, all that left is trying to retard-proof the phrasing.

>>48262435
Well nuts to you, we still have metal models in production.

>>48262770
>Imperial Knights
>Admech
>Stormies and Harlequins get their own codex
>Genestealer cultists
>not newer than Tau and Necrons

Did you just come here to complain about nothing?

>>48262782
they fit just fine, the resculpt fins have the same attachment point so the flags go on fine, and the body parts and legs still are the same joints, it was only the actual bike itself that got a resculpt for more consistent construction and a different type of flying base that's more durable and secure, as well as adding the other weapon options to every bike sprue

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>>48262842
the buggy is older then the wartrakk.
Two grognard points if you know, without googling, what weapon is on it

>>48262840

I'm actually looking for alternate skin tone combinations as we speak. Pretty sure the color you need to change is the layer paint, while leaving the ratskin flesh and seraphim sepia alone. Agrax earthshade would probably make faces too dark but I'm not sure yet. My FLGS doesn't sell the complete layer range and I got colors in the mail right now.

>>48262121
It's what..a broadside, riptide, 3 crisis suits, 2 commanders and Farsight in his pimped-out Commander suit. All with exclusive wargear, varied weaponry and the ability to JSJ.

They'll probably wreck face honestly.

>>48262982
doubt it
Too few, too fragile.
They will, except the riptide, be unable to withstand serious return fire.

>>48263007
Don't they all gain the ability to shoot at different targets owing to them being ICs? Or are they not? I don't really do Enclaves.

>>48263039
dunno
I mean, they are too few wounds. they will be killed easily, and every model killed decreases their ability massivly.

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So has anyone tried an all-giant robot game of 40K? Sounds bitchin'

>>48262873
It's been a while since I bothered to think about the buggy, but wasn't it a heavy bolter back then?

>>48262873
Heavy flamer from when i looked like a multi-melta, though originally it came with a harpoon gun.

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>>48263113
no, never

>>48262873
Its got flame canisters so twin-linked flamer?

>>48263190
Epic is gay. Everything's too small. I'm talking about an all-giant robot game of 40K.

>>48262982
Only three of them can survive a hit from a guardsmans krak missile.

>>48262865
Fair enough, but they are not new factions.

>Admech
Been around since day one in the lore, with some models in other codexes, but this time around they at least got flushed out a bit more.
>Stormies
Just stormtroopers given more rules and pulled from the IG codex
>Harlequins
Been around longer than the Tau/Necrons
>Genestaler Cultists
Also been around longer than Tau/Necrons
>Imperial Knights
I have no clue honestly.

In this massive galaxy they have to work with all they have done is split the existing factions

>>48263210
Local SM player brings only knights to some games

All right, R8 my loyalist alpha legion list:
Raptors
Lias issodon

10 Tacs, las cannon,melta gun, razor back infernus
10 Tacs, las cannon,melta gun, razor back infernus
10 Tacs, las cannon,melta gun, razor back infernus

ven. Dread
Mortis contemptor, ass cannons, missile laucher
Cataphractii terminastors, chainfist

Tempest command, medicae
10 man Tempus squad

Cult mechnicus
Dominus, Autocladus
3 Destroyers, Heavy grav cannons, Cognis flamers


Leaves me with 65pts left, any thoughts?

>>48263227
Knights used to just be part of Admech, and Admech was part of the Imperial faction in Epic. Admech and knights weren't in 40K back then (except priests) because they just fielded super-heavies, which weren't part of the 40K scale until GW realized they could make more $$monies that way.

>can't beat full knights list
Fuck this shit

>>48263113

Well you could, but people here would accuse you of cheesing it if you did it depending on what faction you try it with.

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>>48263189
>>48263192
>>48263173
It is a multimelta, same as the metal precedessor.
harpoon and Rokkit were metal gorkamorka upgrades that came later, as it was released for 2nd edition. (and gorkamorka has no MM)

>>48263334
>Trying to beat cheese
Don't bother familia
You have the moral high ground by not using gay fucking bullshit to win a miniature wargame

Which Chapter has the coolest Chaplins?

I think they fill a really cool roll in 40k fluff I have read so far and one is currently leading my primed army.

I have a Jump Pack Chaplin with 6 other Assault marines, 10 devastators and 20 tactical marines.

A few players at my shop have suggested I try a Blood or Dark Angel army as well as Black Templars.

I have downloaded the SM codex and havent read much of the BA however the DA have an interesting history.

Also could someone direct me to a Chaplin Dreadnaught and its dataslate?
I can't tell from google images what is real and what is hand made but was told that FW makes a kit.

>>48263380
Shit meant for >>48263293

>>48263275
>Knights used to just be part of Admech
knight houses were always kind of their own thing, in a sort of symbiotic relationship with the admech.

>>48263243
>"loyal" alpha legion
Anyways ignoring the fact that you didn't mention a point level (1500? 1850?), the cataphracts seem out of place. Visually and by the fact that they've got nothing to do beyond deep strike in and hope they don't die. Lias too, now that I think about it. Unless he tags along with one of the marine squads. And if you're running suicide melta squads in razorbacks, you might as well grab combi-weapons on the sergeants.


And finally, stormtroops without special weapons are a waste. Grab some plasma guns or something, especially if you're dumping 15 points on the medpack.

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>>48263374
yeah, I was thinking about the trakk

>>48263383
Its chaplain

Dark Angels have the coldest which may or may not be what you seek.
Their head chappy once forbid a company to speak except in battle for a year because the laughed about a joke.

Afraid chaplain dreads are not in the TT game, at least I never heard about it

>>48263383
Dark angels I'd say.

>>48263383
>I can't tell from google images what is real and what is hand made but was told that FW makes a kit.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-FR/Chaplain-Venerable-Dreadnought

As for the duties of Chaplains it varies a little from Chapter to Chapter.
Space Wolves rolled apothecaries and Chaplains into one iirc.
Blood Angels have them tend to the Death Company, i.e. those who succumbed to the Black Rage.
Dark Angels have them as hunters of the fallen and Interrogators, i.e. torturers.

>>48263416
heh, They follow the codex. yep totally loyal, why would think any different. its 2K of what i happen to have lying around. but thanks, will throw some more points at the Tempests, and probably drop the cattis. humm, maybe a divination psyker+plasma cannon devs? could work....

>>48263442
>>48263447
>>48263472

Thanks all. I think I am going to go with Dark Angels and pick up a physical copy of their codex as well.

Can the FW Chap Dreads be used with DA or that a codex SM thing?

I have been using my army as Black Templayers for my first few games and have gotten my butt kicked but I think its because I am so new.

>>48263039
If you take them as "the eight" they actually all lose IC according to the FAQ

so you'd have a wacky deathstar that could shoot one unit and then 80% of it would die the first time it got shot at

>>48261955
You mean the battle donkey?

Yeah you're probably the only one. The LoC and GUO are bad but at least serviceable, the bloodthirster is an insult to everything else in the 6th edition codex.

>>48263595
Only found that
http://indexastartes.blogspot.de/2014/02/imperial-armour-2-second-edition-unit_11.html

It is an elites choice for a space marine, dark angel or Badab army.

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>>48263595
Smart choice, Dark Angels are a great chapter.

What you have is the start of a Demi Company that the Dark Angels use to form the Lions Blade Strike Force which comes into play when you have a larger collection.

I have not yet started on it but I have a ton of Raven and Deathwing the First and Second Company of the Dark Angels.

My Interrogator Chaplain on a bike is hands down my favorite Unit. He has earned a name as has most of his command squad.

If you like fluff read Angels of Darkness and the Legacy of Caliban Trilogy (I think thats the name)

Once you read up more on the Dark Angels you see how dynamic the character of a Chaplain can be.

>>48263684
Thanks.

I was able to find the entry on the army builder app.

It seems a bitch expensive and just a bit better in assault than a Venerable Dreadnaught. Someday I should get it just for the model.

>>48263703
The chaplain looks cool but aren't the Ravenwing armoured in Black?

I am not too sure I want a full bike army but I could see the use of having some since they get around pretty quick.

Thanks for the recommendations.

>>48263595
And >>48263703 we see the downside of Dark Angels, since their Primarch was named after a gay poet DA has a score of flaboyantly fruity players.

>>48263755
>The chaplain looks cool but aren't the Ravenwing armoured in Black?

Yes, however I play a Dark Angel Successor Chapter in fluff so I am not confined to black.

My Deathwing are mainly Yellow and my Greenwing will be mainly White.

To counter what >>48263758 said, you get to participate in the dank meme of knowing you are both more honorable and loyal than even the Ultramarines or the Blood Angels.

My favorite matches at my shop are against other Astartes.

Though I don't fully consider all SW to be astartes

>>48263758
>Dark Angels, since their Primarch was named after a gay poet DA
It fits thematically well though.
At the time homosexuality was considered a crime and the poem 'the dark angel' is about shame and feeling like you have to hide from society.
Which in turn is a pretty nice parallel to the secret shame of betrayal in the DA's past. Which causes them to commit actual betrayals ironically.

In George Lucas speak this would be considered pottery.

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