Welcome to the MTG flake/lore thread! Previously: Same shit

>>48242364
>>48242369

I want to do a story with Igan meeting another walker- he's met maybe 1 or 2 others in his time. He's on Innistrad now but because of his Cursemute power he could be on any plane at any time.

>>48242533
Current flakes on Innistrad or probably on Innistrad: Serena, Venn, Revas, Murdock, Spider/Owl Mom, the Cathar, Bavara, and maybe one or two others. Maybe Leon, too. Take your pick.

>>48242572
Speaking of Bavara, I've got a neat update with her coming up.

>>48242572
Belloski could probably be there, taking anything not nailed down for his Innistrad Eldraziout Sale

>>48242572
Vivienna was there until the Dronepack kicked her ass, Domhanrin does pop in from time to time and is psycho enough to try and dominate/control an Eldrazi, and none of my others would really be on Innistrad for any given reason.

>>48242533
Oh, and Myxxzzikt could be anywhere. But my other 3 are off-limits for now.

>>48242601
FEATHER CUDDLES

>>48242572
Leon's def there.

>>48242533
Venn's just ignited and recently has walked back to innistrad, seperated from Serena. If you want him to cross paths, I'd be willing to help.

>>48239302
I thought it was hot.

>>48240036
I'm not making a mother flake for at least a week. If there isn't a Troll-race flake by then, I'm making one.

>>48240597
>>48240621
This crap is getting old. Why do peeps have to shit all over everything? I understand that people don't like the same crap, but that doesn't mean any of you have to act like shitheads. We are all on a thread about the lore of our beloved card game. Try to find common ground and don't trash others for being on uncommon grounds. We all like different things. Accept that and be gracious.

>>48240790
Really old. Really, really old. 2735 AR.

I'm happy to meet any flakes.

Burn. I can do a few stories I think, but Serena and Igan have the most to interact about, from their shared history with Flight Goldnight and Gisela, to Igan's "reprehensible" use of a moonsilver spear. Can't figure out who'd win in a fight, though...

>>48242765
Serena meets Belloski
Belloski tries to sell her genuine (stolen) Avacynian trinkets
Hillarity ensues

>>48242783
She buys them and wears them.

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>Serena gets a present.

>>48242988
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh1AAm2B32g

>>48242965
Or, you know. She attempts to apprehend or slay Belloski.

As a WR angel might do, under certain outraging circumstances.

>>48243224
Would she know that he stole them? Would she just assume that he did? How would she know that he didn't buy them from someone else or make them himself?

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If people remember the fabulous witch sisters I made few threads back, I filled out out a plane sheet for the planar shard they live in. Have to admit, it was pretty fun to imagine what kind of place the maze is.

>>48243379
They are still artifacts of the church that were stolen at some point down the line

>>48243379
Belloski only sells genuine items from across the multiverse. No proxy garbage, only the good stuff. Even if that means looting a few corpses or incinerated churches or making some fresh corpses to loot.

>>48243401
>>48243425
The point I was trying to make is would Serena know or outright assume that they were stolen? Or just have the decency to take Belloski as an honest merchant.

I'm considering making a Harpy/Siren flake. After digging for art (Not as easy as you might think, I'd draw something myself but I can't scan it), I've come to a few possibilities:

1. Bant-colored fluffball. Innocent, pure, and curious. Potential problems are finding a good reason for her spark to ignite, and giving her more reason to exist than "wanting to explore the multiverse".

2. WB Siren that's easily bribed with shiny things. Rather than lure sailors to their death with song, she'd be the type to take their coins for her blessing. The blessing of not drowning them.
Problems are, again, why did she ignite, and what is she doing now? Beyond being a feathery Extort machine, that is.

3. WU Griffin-harpy. Not nearly as physically fluffy as the others, but is still for fluff. A bit sphinx-like, too, probably. Likely a tsundere. Same problems as the others- why and how.

4. Jund harpy. Definitely a bird of prey. Big, sharp claws offset by big, fluffy plumage. Big overall. Probably also a little tsun. Still not sure how she ignites, but she's definitely fond of hunting down prey across the multiverse. I have a few fluffy quirks I can add, so she's probably the top runner so far.

The real question is, does the community have any preference? Feels like it's a bit much to do more than one or two, but sitting on a bunch of ideas is no good, either...

>>48243690
I like the ideas, but didn't we just get a bird lady?

>>48242776
Serena in her current form is pretty damn strong, being an angel has it's advantages.

>>48242988
;_;

>>48243224
>>48243401
>>48243425
>>48243553
>Trusting a dragon
>Angels not having a really good sense of when people are lying
ayy

>>48243690
Why not all four?

>>48243690
You a drawfag, too? Post some of your stuff, please?

>>48243857
Because Hydra-Centaur-Harpy would be stupid.

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All right everyone, I hate to disappoint you, but I'm afraid I've made yet another non-lewd story. I know, I know, let the lamentations ring out. Updated flake sheet for a slightly updated and slightly retconned flake. Hope she's worth it.

This time we've got a scary expedition to Nephalia and a brief run-in with Murdock, just on her way back from the annual "worst person on Innistrad" competition, which she ultimately lost to choose either "Nahiri" or "Sorin" here. Better luck next year!

http://pastebin.com/45kkpQZm (Rated PG-13 for weapons, ghosts, and questionable author knowledge of cephalopod anatomy)

No worries though, all you horrible thread-derailing smut-lovers, I'm always working on some new dirt. Hang in there.

>>48244090
>Melkeroth
I know that guy RFA, you don't fool me.

>>48244090
>I'm always working on some new dirt.
Feathers?

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>>48243938
I would, but I'm total ass with computer art and I don't have a scanner.
I'm also really rusty as I haven't done much in a couple years now..

Anyway, while I ponder fluffbirb (it'll take some time before I actually get around to her, I imagine), have Vivienna's home plane. I kind of want to make this the first in a cycle of planes, all with "X color is super abundant and bleeds over into everything else", but this is the only one I have a solid idea for.

>>48243977
That's a hydra with harpy bodies instead of heads. If the other anon is willing to drop one of his colors of mana we could have one with Four heads, one for each color triad in that group of four colors.

>>48244343
>I don't have a scanner
Murdock has only scanned in two, MAYBE three pics. All of his other posts were photos of his work. And literally all of Gaia's art has been posted from shitty pics.

No one cares. Show us your art. We want to see it. Up until now we've had only 2 drawfags. POOSSSST IIIT

>>48244090
>And n-no one w-would ever know.
Unhand her Dan Backslide!
Unhand her Dan Backslide!
Unhand her Dan Backslide!

>>48244403
Okay, okay, I'll get around to drawing something in my otherwise blank sketching book I bought a while back. Will probably be a harpy or Vivienna, but if anyone else has a simple request that they don't mind a rusty artist tackling, speak now. Might take me a while.

>>48244509
>requests
FEATHER LADIES CUDDLING

>>48244509
>>48244559
Can include your own feather lady

I wanna draw more now...fuck.

>>48244647
Draw then
Draw your favorite character that you didn't make

>>48244683
I can't. I'm still at work. Hence the "fuck."

Maybe I'll draw Nishal tonight. He seems like he'd be fun to draw.

>>48244725
oh man oh man oh man oh man.

>>48244733
Give me details about his clothes, his posture, where his metal is, what gear he wears, etc.

Yeah, I used to play a weretiger character in a 3.5 game. I learned how to draw big anthropomorphic cats then, and found out it's really fun.

If your snowflake is an oldwalker, you need to acknowledge that they began aging again at the point of the Mending (60~ years ago).

Why is your oldwalker still alive without being decrepit and/or bedridden?

>>48244246
Are you sure it wasn't a different Melkeroth? I met a different Shilgengar at a party once.

>>48244805
She's an eldar, and eldar are naturally immortal. They were one of the two races that rose during the age of immortals on Eöl. Gaia is my only oldwalker.

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>>48244794
well I figgered his metal would be in his joints, he'd wear stuff like pic attached only, well, less, and his gear would largely be a utility-belt type thing (baldolier? regular belt? idk. clothes are all foldy, would belts even work?) and a khopesh.
I always figured the leonin would be pretty africanized in what they wear/use

>>48244909
also no hat. hats are stupid with manes.

>>48244805
Belloski has magic life stealing powers and an endless supply of people to steal life from

>>48244805
what would happen if an oldwalker made themselves a child shortly before the mending, or made themselves into a species that lives forever?

would that even work? Oldwalkers could change their form, what would happen if one turned themselves into a chair before the mending?

>>48244969
I'd imagine that they' d revert to their natural form.

Otherwise you've got someone stuck as a tented pavilion somewhere for the rest of eternity.

>>48244969
Stuck in the form you took pre-mending. You can polymorph, but polymorph spells only last so long

>>48244855
What's an eldar? What's Eöl?

>>48244805
>Looking_at_you,_Vronak.jpg

>>48244805
To be fair, I will point out two oldwalkers who HAVE aged appropriately:Torbern and Will.

Haha fuck this field problem I still sort of have service! What's good flakes?

>>48245257
Who are you and why are you in my house?

>>48245208
Will is a shit-eating, timeline-raping, senile old FUCK
Hope he dies of old age just as he saves his family

>>48245309
Will anon

>>48245330
Of course. He's a death cheating, amoral cunt who only relearns anything beyond basic empathy when his wife dies. Then he almost destroys everything trying to fix THAT. Dude doesnt really deserve a good end, but time magic he damn well going to try to cheat karma and everything else.

>>48245408
I think Gaia may have shitty taste in men.

>>48245493
What can I say? Oldwalkers, amirite?

Sometimes we don't choose who we fall in love with. We just do. The heart wants what the heart wants, and all that jazz.

>>48245493
Naw, he was just a good person before time travel fucking with his sense of casuality, a vampire butchering his children and everyone else he's ever known and loved in front of him, and unsafe exposure to colorless mana. Cool motive, still murder now though.

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Just finished a future version of Igan, after he's found his way back from the dark place Innistrad drove him to.

>>48245656
Almost forgot, thanks to Leon's creator for putting everything together on Set Editor for me.

>>48245720
Leon anon is a bro.

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>>48245569
Think I'll explode if I draw any more wings.

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>>48245953
Gaia! I umm... Got bored and started working on this and before I knew it the draft was far too big. So, I had to redo it and scale it down. Here's the original. And Following is the second draft. Mind telling me what you think?

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>>48245953
>>48246056

>>48246002
Draw some tits then.

>>48246141
Look I gotta draw akroma and serena's chest competition and then a busty satyr lady, have some compassion, i mean i covered the boobs there >>48246002 cause I am so done with tits at this point.

>>48246175
Dicks then?

>>48246214
You picked my attention, stranger, but male genitals have little in the way of artistic quality

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>>48246247
You just haven't mastered the art of dick sketching yet.

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>>48244090
I'm afraid I have deceived you all! There is indeed a dirty version of this story right here, in which Murdock is encouraged to rethink her opinion of angels. For those of you who already read the clean version, the naughty bits here will be towards the end. You'll find them.

http://pastebin.com/wWSw3XGM

And here's a Planeswalker card I threw together like a drunk. Put it in the Repo, if you would be so kind, God.

>>48246247
Draw male flakes on the beach doing manly things in speedos

>>48246361
IMPORTANT NOTE:
THAT STORY IS LEWD LEWD LEWD

>>48246380
Do some DIOMEDES porn!

>>48246361
OH MY.

>>48246420
But that's impossible. DIOMEDES can't lose his virginity because he never loses

>>48246443
Here's a tip, and a spear behind it blow jobs dont lose virginities

>>48246002
EEEE

It cute! More art!

That your sphinx/griffon/bird gal?

>>48246462
>Here's a tip, and a spear behind it
Ooooohhh! Someones shoved pike right up me bum! Aarrggh!

>>48246515
...what?

>>48246361
STOP! I CAN ONLY GET SO HOMOSEXUAL!

>>48246056
More blood and gore. She got rekt, m8. She got two-faced and her abdomen was nearly burned away. Lots of charred guts. But yeah, good on ya. I'm flattered to have Spider mom drawn.

>>48246361
Holy shit, that is some good smut. Nice job.

>>48246530
My bad, there was no nametag so I thought you might be >>48244343


BUT

A

CUTE

>>48246623
it was literally a 5 minutes thing between one of akroma's tits and the other, eh... nothing to be enthusiastic about.

>>48246548
THEN TAKE SOME DICK

We've had a number of list-offs for the flakes so far. Strongest, biggest, most good and evil...

Which five are the cutest?

>>48247270
Messenger
Messenger
Messenger
Messenger
Messenger's anon

>>48247270
Cala
Rynn
Owlmom
Deka
Winnifred

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>>48247411
>Owlmom
>"Who?"

>>48247743
Who gonna beat your ass.

Rynn looking for sensible team mates and a cure to the plague!

>>48245656
Planeswalkers don't need reminder text, and right now the card is horribly crowded, so I strongly suggest you remove it.

>>48248924
Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to remove reminder text in MSE, and the site is inaccessible, so I can't learn how.

>>48248979
You should just have to click the (...) button in the top panel next to the star icon, assuming my version is vaguely representative.

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>>48249025
Done.

>>48249071
That looks way better. Should be mythic rarity, there are two typos in the second ability, "phases" and "counters". I don't know how I feel about phasing, but it doesn't break any rules as far as I know, and it's an interesting idea. The biggest problem I have is that the card doesn't really feel cohesive right now; it doesn't really seem to play together or synergize with itself, and the +1 seems to have little to do with the rest of the card. If the phasing ability is clicking up those loyalty counters, maybe you want to give him a minus instead and come up with a more interesting effect? Just spitballing though.

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>>48249119
I'm not the owner of the walker, I'm just the guy who made the card for him.

>>48249165
Sorry, I was assuming whoever designed the card was still in the thread.

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>>48246561
Well, He's reviving her, so how about half way done? So, fun note. I haven't drawn a single thing in about 15 years. I really hope you like it. And can you make out what's holding onto Vronak's cloak directly behind him?

>>48249201
I'm here!

I understand that yes, his +1 seems at odds with the rest of the card. It's a bit of a weird situation, but in truth, it's more like blue abilities have been grafted onto, and overpowered, a red walker. I didn't know a better way to illustrate that than the wildly different abilities.

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All right, everyone, I've got a new Bavara story in the works, so here's her updated flakesheet to get everyone up to speed.

>>48249758
I have just one question for you.

When will we get the HOOT?

>>48249758
Spooky! Watch out cause that's the route that leads to being into the way of a millennia old vampire.

>>48249827
>>>
>>48249475

>>48249758
Waiting for tentacle smut

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Hey, I touched up the lines on my one pic a bit. Thinking about using this for her flake sheet template. What do you think?

>>48250827
I like it a lot! And before you ask again, no.

>>48250846
hoot

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What's going on in this thread?

>>48251601
I'm procrastinating when I should be writing.

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>>48251764

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>>48251834

https://youtu.be/toeh0-0B4mE

>Men sleep tonight with hands of bone
>They will awake with hands of steel.
>And with these hands, we will DESTROY
>And with these hands, we will REBUILD!

>>48251834
Coule Zendikar, had it banded together, been able to beat new Phyrexia? Wgat about post Eldrazi?

Staying alive

>>48246372
Please

>>48246372
Jakrol is tending bar in the hut so he can be in the shade and watch everyone else's shenanigans.
He won't serve anything except for Bloody Marys and Sangria.
He's also got harder liquor that he keeps drinking while on shift, but he refuses to share any. Which is the real reason he's tending bar.

>>48251951
Mirrodin banded together couldn't stop Phyrexia, so I doubt it would play out any differently.

>>48255217
I'd argue that as mirran forces banded together, phyrexia had already conquered a good deal of the plane. Anyway, zendikar after the eldrazi amounts to a grand total of 3 elves, 5 merfolks, 8 kors, a bunch of mindbroken vampires, some goblins and a whitering tree, that is not much to stop phyrexia.

>>48255606
But they do have a bucket of white mana infused soapy water, that's got to do something about the oil, right?

>>48251601
Kill thyself.

Raise your hand if your flake is single. Then has yourself why he/hasn't found the lovins. Then tell us about it.

>>48256393
Both my flakes are single, for similar reasons.
Leon's married to his job.
Maxwell loves the spotlight too much to ever commit to someone else.

>>48242357
What is a flake thread?

Is it just homebrew?

>>48256445
pretty much, I guess?
we expand on the lore with non-canon characters and planes so that the main storyline isn't so shit all the time.

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>>48256393
Ka'koarm is single
for obvious reasons
you can't tame beauty like that


>>48256445
a place where people make original characters based on MTG lore and write stories/build cards with them. It's 50% an exercise in understanding how the magic lore works, and 50% a big old circlejerk, but the latter half is open access for anyone with a firm grip and a half-chub to join

>>48256445
People make fan characters and write stuff about them interacting with each other.

>>48256393
Belagir is a bachelor. He just hasn't found the right woman yet.

Myxxzzikt is single, and looking for love, mammals.

The other three, Razorcock, Gaia, and Owl/Spider mom, are all canonically spoken for.

>>48256471
Dare I ask who is paired with Owl Mom, or do I already know the answer?

>>48256495
You may be surprised.
Diomedes

>>48256393
At the point I think the only pairing Serena will get will be with another angel. Maybe an Alabaster one, who can say?

>>48256516
Awww, I had hoped it was related to that cute picture you doodled(Which I still need to see, bitch).

>>48256469
>>48256466
Oh. Neat.

I don't see myself participating in the character story writing, but I've been contemplating putting together an MTG campaign, so maybe I'll make up a plane or something.

>>48256469
>>48256466
It's all fluff though, yeah? Like this is not the place to discuss home made formats and the like?

>>48256620
a while ago I was working on making custom planeswalker cards for a homebrew Planechase format, but other than that I don't think it was ever brought up. I don't think mechanical things like formats fit in a lore-based thread like this, but I could be wrong.
thoughts?

>>48256631
I was just thinking, where you guys are making custom characters and planes and the like, would you not take that the last step and build cards/a set?

>>48256647
As the guy who makes the OP images, I've had thoughts of making a custom set where every snowflake/homebrew planeswalker gets two cards based around their character, one creature and one non-creature.

That would be a pretty massive project though and I've gradually lost interest in the idea over time due to certain personalities in this thread.

>>48256676
Gotcha. Fair enough. I never noticed this thread before today. I stumbled into it by accident looking for the MTG lore thread.

>>48256676
I'd imagine most people would probably make the cards themselves.

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>>48256616
I was thinking of making a low-fantasy Innistrad campaign in GURPS, but it's going to take a while.

>>48256620
>>48256647
It happens sometimes, we have custom cards for our walkers and some of us have built themed decks to fight in Cockatrice. No one likes me though, Serena's deck is pretty cancerous.

>>48256709
I see.

There's already a gurps MTG, and planeshifted Innistrad for 5e just came out. Add in planeswalkers guide to Innistrad, and you've got the fluff. You just need to convert those 5e Innistrad stats to gurps.

>>48256694
This doubles as a lore thread. Just ask any questions or discuss any topic you want and ignore the faggots talking about their fanfiction.

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>>48256709
I'm thinking about building a deck for one of my cards. Probably gonna start with Spider Mom, because I like her card a lot.

>>48256516
>flakes from the steam group circlejerk are paired up

Who would have thunk it?

>>48256742
Pretty much, we just talk about fanfiction and shit to pass the time, ask any lore questions you like.

>>48256786
Although occasionally you get people who insist that creatures can still be summoned from one plane to another, or that non-Innistrad vampires can totally be planeswalkers, or that Nahiri was imprisoned by Sorin literally moments before Sorin planeswalked to Zendikar for Rise of the Eldrazi.

>>48256804
>stupid people exist
You don't say.

>>48256771
>people talking outside of 4chan upsets me

>>48256647
Though I'm not in the thread that much, I have been working on a custom set for a while now.

>>48256742
Well, there's also the more "official" lore thread that only shows up on Wednesdays (due to that being when we get new lore, generally.) But I'm a fan of discussing lore anytime, so yeah if the lore thread isn't up this is a good stop.

>>48256771
You know, I'm really trying to think of another pairing formed on the steam chat, and for the life of me, I can't. Literally every other pairing was formed ITT. I think this fact invalidates the point you're trying to make.

>>48256531
To be fair, that sketch was just in the margins of my notebook at work, so you're really not missing much. It you'd like, I could make a full picture with it. Just not tonight. I'm busy tonight.

>>48257107
<3

>>48257107
>>48257112
Just find each other irl and fuck already, you dykes. Damn.

>>48257133
What do you think they do in this
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Snowstorm_Lewd_Chat

>>48257303
Honestly? Nothing, I don't believe I've ever been in the chat on that one.

>>48257303
>"People do things I don't like on their own and far away from my sight. This will not stand!" Anon has stated
>more about this fundamental political issue at 11

>>48257343
Though... I hear it's a 'Hoot'

>>48257133
>females can't be friendly to each other without wanting to fuck
have you ever left your house, anon?
>>48257372
please stop this madness

>>48257372
Nhoot at all, still i reccomend giving it a shoot.

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Sigarda literally did nothing but get eaten in this story, why is she the worst angel on the plane?

Rest in peace now Gisela, you earned it. ;_;

>>48258229
>Again, though, she could not force the choice. And if any soldier here could keep his head in all this madness through sheer force of stubborn will, it was Rem Karolus, Blade of the Inquisitors and Slayer of Angels.
Rem fucking Karolus.

>>48258293
He's such an edgy faggot though, I think I got a few cuts every time I read his lines.

>>48258331
He has seen some shit. Yet he has no ghost saint on his back nor blessed weapons, he just stood his ground and punched back.
And he isn't even dead at the end of the plot.
The meme has come true.

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>>48258331
Literally because the entirety of your persona is 'i am grill that liek angels'

>>48258387
Not really, you can be a badass that fucks up angels and shit without me disliking you. I mean, Serena murders angels all the time and that's my character so no, it's because I think he is a massive edgelord that doesn't even take a geist.

It's not my fault that that's the only side you know of me anyway, would you rather I spoke about things not relevant to MtG? Of course not, don't be a dick.

>>48258431
He has the geist of saint meme, he needs no geist.

>>48258387
>All 3 mana. Pure pottery

>>48257372
>>48257384
You're both twits.

>>48258431
This is a character that's in the same story as Olivia and you're calling him edgy?

Go on, point out a quote that you consider edgy, that is genuinely edgy. A character that seeks to endure the supernatural without resorting to the supernatural isn't edgy, it's a character that's principled. Whether that comes back to bite him in the ass or not, we'll see. Is he edgy because he would have liked to be Avacyn's slayer? That's not edgy, that's his desire to put down threats to humanity and put humanity first speaking.

You can accuse him of being HFY but not of being edgy.

>>48258469
Or twhoots.
>>48258455
Same CMC as saint traft.
Coincidence?

>>48258494
Fair enough.

Someone wanna tl;dr that story for me? I skimmed it, but couldn't keep my interest long enough to know what's going on other than Thalia and co assault Thraben and Brunela gets rekt.

>>48258671
Thalia is with the heroes for hire en route to thraben, they find gryffs to fly there, geists buff the cathars and they punch the hell out of the eldrazi-tainted inquisition (srsly tho the inquisition can NEVER take the good side it seems...), olivia steals Thalia's kill and backstabs the leader of the inqusitior, crazy eldrazed chick, Brusela arrives, Sigarda and Brusela start smooching, Thalia and Traft pick up Avacyn's spear and kills Brusela in a paragraph. No named character dies.

I have a lore question.

If a pregnant woman planeswalks, does her baby die? Or does the baby sti count as a part of her own body and travel with her? Does it depend on whether or not the fetus has a soul yet?

Just one of those weirder questions that I know WotC will never answer.

>>48259024
This is fhoocking sthoopid, Gaia.

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>>48258735
>No named character dies

>>48259024
To be honest? It would depend on how the spark functions, if it shields the whole body then the baby should be safe inside it.

>>48259042
Stop

>>48259042
I'm in a retarded mood. Bear with me.

I was thinking about the nature of planeswalking, and that question popped in my head. It it's too weird, don't worry about it.

>>48259059
Well if you really need an answer i'd rather not planeswalk if I was pregnant cause i have a bad feeling abhoot it.

>>48259076
I don't really NEED an answer. I'm not planning anything with it, I'm just curious.

>>48242357
I have been months far away from this thread
have something happened with my flake ariadne?

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>>48256393
All my flakes are single. I think. I don't really know.

>>48256467
Ka'koarm can date Angie the Slime Girl. Pic related.

>>48258229

Yeah, not exactly a sterling start to "innistrad's new protector" if her first act is to get BTFO in five seconds by the Eldrazi and needing a human (even one with a stand) to save her ass.

It gets under my skin, is what it does. In the last block, Ob Nixilis and the Eldrazi were undone in a large part because of a single act of mercy towards an angel none of them or the gatewatch even knew about being repaid in the darkest hour. Linvala and Iona didn't get to contribute to the story at all but that nameless angel, in a sense, saved the day by giving the heroes another chance.

Innistrad, a block that had the best angels, has shit on the notion even the only one they allowed to survive this mess can help. Sigarda literally showed up just to get worfed, like every other angel since AVR.

>>48259049
Sigarda isn't dead.

>>48259328
Would this mean we'd get Angerfish Shapeshifter babbies?

>>48259436
Yeah but Bruna and Gisela are.

>>48259433
I know, it's rage inducing.

>>48259436
>Sigarda isn't dead.
>[Muffled "YES I AM!" in the distance]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBirBvTQXDg

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>>48259459
Probably not. Anything you stick inide of her gets corroded and dissolves into nothingness.

>>48259483
They died long before this Story.

>>48259545
In spirit, yes. But not they finally have peace.

>>48259882
>implying emrakul won't res them for a Megaman battle vs the gatewatch.
>they won't become a new titan screaming across the blind eternities

>>48256804
>Non Innistrad vampires can't be planeswalkers.
Really? Why?

How are Innistrad vampires any different from Dominarian vampires or Zendikari vampires?

>>48260223
Innistrad vampires aren't undead. That's the only reason, sparks don't persist through death.

>>48260276
Zendikar vampires aren't undead either, as far as I'm aware.

>>48260276
Oh. Huh.

>Spark doesn't persist through death.
So no mtg Vecna?
But it could be acquired *after* death, no? Karn's spark was actually Urza's spark, right?

So if you extracted your own (or someone else's) spark, and then re-fused with it after becoming undead, would that work?

Would the weatherlight function post-mending?

Can all planeswalkers cast spells?

Are there mages who don't use mana? There are cards depicting rune magic, and blood magic, and ritually sacrificed magic, and sigil tracing magic, do those function differently from the magic planeswalkers use?

>>48260421
It could fly but not planeswalk.

>>48260501
planeswalkers cast spells, and there ARE some spells that require other resources be spent (see altar's reap, vampiric tutor, all phyrexian mana, etc.), so yeah planeswalkers can exist without using mana. I don't understand why you wouldn't want to use mana AND esoteric spells though.

>>48260223
>>48260276
>>48260421
Now, Granny Sengir was a Planeswalker prior to being turned by the Baron. And it's not clear whether or not she lost her spark. So, pre-mending Planeswalkers that were turned into vampires prior to the mending might still retain their spark. We haven't gotten any definitive answers for that.

>>48260421
Yeah, an undead creature could obtain a spark from another.

>>48260345
I'm not sure but I was under the impression they were related to Ulamog, sparks are kinda anathema to Eldrazi.

>>48260543
Would that be a separate school of magic entirely that would need to be learned separately, or would a sacrifice/discard/phyrexian mana cost be a thing any mage could access?

What about different types of magic depicted but not with their own mechanic?

>>48260619
Or put their spark into a phylactery or other magical container before becoming undead?

>>48260543
Can you become a planeswalkers without being a mage?

Once you become a planeswalkers, does that make you also a mage?

>>48260674
If that's possible then sure? I was under the impression using your spark like that was fatal.

>>48260543
I mean... This-ish.

Typically mana is drawn from mana leylines to cast spells, but there are alternative methods to supply the mana needed for casting spells. In theory, you could cast without using any leylines, but you'd have such a resource burden that you wouldn't be able to cast a lot of spells in a short amount of time.

If you're actually able to use Phyrexian mana, then you can, to some extent, cast at the cost of your own life force.
In some examples, you can sacrifice other beings to draw the power needed to cast.
Maybe you have powerful artifacts that let you bring to life or call forth other beings.
Or if you have a powerful enough kind of unity, perhaps you can get others to lend you their power, a Convocation, if you will.

Those are just some examples, but they all require you to rely on something else, and they tend to be very niche and/or limited.

>>48260674
That would probably destroy the spark.

>>48260832
How did Urza's spark get put in Karn, exactly? That's what's giving me this idea.

>>48260759
Could you cast any spell using those alternate mana sources, or only spells designed for them?

How do llanowar elves produce mana out of nothing?

>>48260944
>How do llanowar elves produce mana out of nothing?
I dunno, they probably shit it out or something.

>>48260853
Karn got the stones urza's spark(s?) Fused into him when the legacy weapon fired.
The process might not destroy the spark but it wouldn't be his most likely

>>48260944
>How do llanowar elves produce mana out of nothing?
By turning sideways.

>>48261098
Hmm. Okay.

Post mending, are there any ways other than a spark, to travel between planes? Portals, for instance?

Could you travel through the blind eternities if you could survive there?

How do the eldrazi survive there?

>>48261111
Cheeky.

>>48260944
They draw the mana from their bodies by posing sexually.

>>48261183
No. If planar portals existed, everyone would already be fucked by Phyrexians.
And after the Mending, even planeswalkers can barely protect themselves in the blind eternities.
Eldrazi survive because the blind eternities are their natural habitat.

>>48260703
Basically. Like Gideon, he uses justice magic. It's just magic that suits your ability and personality.

>>48261213
Planeswalkers are still protected post-mending, but now it's not a casual stroll between planes, it takes time and each person experiences something different. While one person may feel like they're falling, another feels like they're wading through mud, and another feels like they're being flung through a vortex of fire.

>>48261262
>It takes time
How much time?

If several planeswalkers go to the same plane, do they all arrive at the same place?

>>48261228
Could you be a BR Planeswalker of Justice?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usR36pAwAaw

>>48261228
So if they couldn't cast spells pre ignition, they can post ignition.

>>48261213
So there is no mentioned way for a non planeswalker to manage interplanar travel.

What about portals between specific planes, that predate the mending, or planes that are otherwise connected in a spot?

If the eldrazi are adapted to the blind eternities, could you study them learn how to accomplish blind eternity adaptation?

Could you use large dead eldrazi parts to build the hull of a blind eternity ship?

>>48261338
all portals opened pre-mending were closed BY the mending.
you couldn't study the eldrazi for blind eternity adaptation, the eldrazi we see don't exist in the blind eternities. The drones are created on-plane, and the Big Three are like "hands reaching into a pond," according to Ugin. The bodies we see aren't the bodies that exist in the BE.

>>48261286
>How much time?
Probably only a few seconds, but enough for them to feel like it takes a while. Distance between planes may also affect it
>If several planeswalkers go to the same plane, do they all arrive at the same place?
Only if they have a location in mind. If it's a new plane, it's a gamble. No they can't planeswalk inside each other or other objects on accident like a teleportation experiment gone wrong
>>48261290
Vigilante justice for your own selfish agenda, probably. Justice is a very W concept, so...
>>48261338
You probably have some magical ability pre-mending. All sparkable creatires seem to, anyways. But yes, igniting means access to other plane's magic and whatever abilities are exclusive to that plane.
>What about portals between specific planes, that predate the mending, or planes that are otherwise connected in a spot?
Mending sealed any plane to plane portals off. Planes that are connected by a point would either split, sealing the point, or merge violently. Example: Alara

Tl;dr about the Eldrazi: No.

>>48261378
Hmm. Okay. I knew what you saw was only part of the eldrazi, didn't realize it was constructed on the plane, thought it was like, dropped in.


So the only way you would be able to travel between planes is if those planes were naturally connected then, yeah? Like at the edge of your plane you can step through into an adjacent plane?

>>48261426
No. You have to go through the BE to get to another plane. Without a spark you'll spaghettify. Alara was fused together from its planar shards(which used to be together until Bolas fuckery and the Mending), and that took massive amounts of mana and left a violent maelstrom of energy at the epicenter.

>>48261416
>Natural planar connections either split, or merge violently.
Oh wow.

So, no way at all possible for a planeswalker to take non walkers with him somewhere else then?

>>48261338
Actually Venser had a machine that did exactly that in Planar Chaos, though Teferi mused that it actually only worked because Venser had a latent spark. He gives it to Jhoira in the end and i am not sure if it still worked for her.

>>48261416
>Vigilante justice for your own selfish agenda, probably.
I was thinking it would be the type of justice that people Need, as opposed to the type of justice they Want. Black is the color or realism and Red is the color of action, after all.

>>48261426
that would work, yeah

I mean, if you want a ship do it. My flakes have a ship, but it's caused a LOT of contention in the thread. If you can find a way to do it that doesn't break the canon, have at it.

>>48261416
was the Alara incident caused by the mending? I thought it was post-mending caused by a mage being an asshat.

>>48261457
ah.

>>48260619
>sparks are kinda anathema to Eldrazi
Sparks are the anathema to phyrexians. For all we know Eldrazi are what happens when sparks go off on their own and get too big and reality warping.
That said, Zendikar vampires are the same as Innistrad vampires: Cursed living things. The old snowstorm had this argument before and it died with the Zendikar artbook.

>>48261485
Some angel hating flake springs to mind. But really i think BR would be more like a Nahiri character. "This is right because I feel like it is"

>>48261482
Wait what did vensers machine do?

>>48261460
>Tarkir time fuckery?
Could you time travel somewhen pre-mending, portal/group planeswalk/planarship to your intended location, and then time travel back to the present?

>>48261507
I must have misunderstood then. I know planeswalkers are more resistant to the effects of the Eldrazi, I guess that comes from the shared relation or maybe how the spark protects the bearer from the Blind Eternities it also protects them from the beasts that live there?

Didn't know that about Zendikar vampires though.

>>48261507
>mtg Zendikar art book
>Mtg art book
Anybody have scans of those?

>>48261549
time travel was, for the most part, also nixed post-mending.

the only reason the Tarkir thing worked (from what I understand) is that a time-portal-thing was set up using Ugin's spirit (thought: maybe his spark in timeline A was used to fuel it? maybe by sacrificing a spark you can time travel, albeit one-way) to help him survive, and that Sarkhan going through it completed a time loop.

>>48261549
It was a small teleporter made with scraps from the phyrexian invasion. Well, actually it did not teleport but it moved you to the BE and then back to the plane. Venser of course had no idea of other planes existing so he only used it to move through dominaria.

>>48261544
But Nahiri is WR
>>48261549
It made planar portals or something.

No. Sarkhan had to go solo and had only one chance to save his husbando from his other husbando.
>>48261507
Innistrad vampires don't see it as a curse though.

>>48261594
The joke
The moon with emrakul inside
Your head
The development team's ability to assign proper color identity.

>>48261587
Hmm. Maybe.

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>>48261544
>>48261594
>>48261613
Nahiri is white because her reasons are basically White. Vengeance in an "Eye-for-an-Eye" type is very much white and she still thinks like an oldwalker. Her saying "A plane destroyed for a plane destroyed" is like you saying "You kicked down my sandcastle so I get to kick down yours"
It's only fair. Mix in some fucking pissed and you get WR.

>>48261544
If they believe that they are doing it for other people, it's white.

Any sort of philosophy that is motivated by what's good and right for other people is a philosophy with basis in white, even if they're a self-obsessed vigilante with no respect for the law.

A black-red vigilante would be causing trouble for reasons related to personal gain, self-advancement, emotional whimsy and impulses and the preservation of personal freedoms, preferably their own. Basically, some sort of libertarian Batman.

>>48261587
>Ugin's spark
Maybe it just takes a massive mana source such that it's difficult, and Ugin's spirit was used for as a mana battery mana much like saccing a creature.

>>48261652
Or they could be BR because their Justice is based on the pragmatism of Black and driven by the Red need for instant action.

>>48261652
>Libertarian batman
>Catch phrase is "Fuck you free yourselves!"

>>48261710
"You stood in the way of progress, and for that you shall be punished." would be a good way to do it, I think. Maybe they believe that everything going on everywhere is done for/can be manipulated to their own gain, and someone stopping that from happening is directly hindering their (and ultimately, the multiverse's) growth?

>>48261710
But justice is white.
Whether it's by-the book justice, vigilante justice, committed violently or peacefully, it's fucking white.

>>48261710
Justice is white. The moment you incorporate a desire for justice as a core part of a character's motivation, it becomes white. Even justice for themselves in the "eye for an eye" respect for be seen as WR, as shown by >>48261650.

>>48261748
That would be BUG
>Progress
Blue/Green
>Destroying those who get in the way
Black
>Destroying those who get in the way of progress and change
Black/Blue/Green

>>48261831
Progress is specifically blue, green isn't dedicated to progress unless it's specifically teamed up with green. It cares about everything's right to grow without outside influence, yes - but not for concepts as lofty as 'progress.' In fact, you've got some green cards that are very, very against progress.

>>48261710
I think the only way for a BR flake to be a vigilante is for it to be complete coincidence. A person who is both black/red and a murderer is someone who is most likely to kill people who get in their way or otherwise somehow upset them, and doesn't need much provocation to do it. If the people who get in their way also happen to be criminals, then you've got your accidental vigilante. I think the best you can do is a guy whose agenda at no point requires him to kill innocent bystanders. Unless they're at the wrong place at the wrong time or something.

>>48256516
But what I want to know is who is the big spoon?

>>48261748
>BUG, centered U

>>48261865
UG combos progress as a natural, evolving force on it's own. Mono U doesn't see progress as something that can be "stood in the way" of, while UG does.

>>48261887
I remember the older lore threads making jokes about Innistrad seeing Liliana as a Saint for freeing Avacyn and saving everyone. That's pretty much what a BR vigilante would be like.
They're doing their own thing, it just happened to look heroic so everyone treats them like such.

>>48261887
Then you end up being a chair for angels.
Things happen.

>>48261905
>But what I wanna know is where's the caveman?
FTFY

>>48261582
Bump?

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>>48261909
Conscious improvement falls primarily in the domain of blue while natural growth falls primarily in the domain of green.

>"You stood in the way of progress, and for that you shall be punished."
This really depends on what transgression the person being talked to is responsible of.
If they're stopping a piece of key research or a massive scientific breakthrough, that's totally blue and green isn't involved.
If they're interrupting the natural growth of something or a group of somethings, that's totally green and blue isn't involved.
If it's more complex than that, like an elaborate social experiment that has been going on for aeons that is being interrupted, then it could be depicted as blue-green. But it needs to be very specific fusion of natural progression and conscious improvement.

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>>48262074
See, you're thinking in monoG terms while the anon who posted first and myself are thinking in Blue+Green terms.
The evolution of something both naturally developing and artificially caused is very much the UG mindset.

See: The entire Simic guild

>>48262165
It's still thoroughly dependent on the sort of progress that the vigilante is vehemently defending. To say that any sort of progress falls under the domain of both blue and green at the same time is disingenuous.

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>>48262165
Do i hear SCIENCE?

>>48262219
The way it's worded sounds very much like an improvement to their self. A 'natural' evolution of their potential abilities. It sounds like Simic's idea of progress, not just blue's.

>>48262264
Can someone explain the cards on these sheet to me?

>>48262337
They're the sorts of magic that a character would use.

>The strong rule and the weak serve.
>Those that lack the strength to rule die. Those that lack the weakness to serve rise.
>Strength of body shall decide your place in the world. Strength of mind shall decide how you excel at it. Strength of will shall decide if you rise from it.
>The weak provide for the needs of the strong. Such is their place in the world. It is the place of the strong to rise to perfection.
>Strength is paramount and those that are perfect have strength beyond strength, power beyond power.
>There is no strength without trial. The strong become weak without competition. Only that which is perfect endures forever.
>On the path to greatness, the strong produce great wonders of science and culture to display their strength.
>Tradition and progress.
>Power through knowledge.
>Acceptance through opportunity.
>Perfection through growth.

Ana forever.

>>48262337
You mean why the cards, or why those specific cards?

>>48262519
The ones that aren't equipment, what are they for?

>>48262568
They are spells the character in question knows how to cast.

>>48262568
They are supposed to represent the kind if spells the flake is more likely to use or those that represent her background and knowledge the most.

>>48262581
Gotcha.

Do you guys have a character creation system you use for this, or just make shit up and pick as many cards as you like?

>>48262603
Make shit up for your character, follow the lore of what you're using and don't flood the sheet with card. If they're spells from a block, try to involve your character from that block at somepoint. For instance, your character shouldn't have mirran spells/artifacts if they've never been there.

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>>48262603
And here's a template

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Speaking of flakesheets, here's a slightly changed version of the one I posted earlier.

I figured Engulf the Shore + Scion tokens didn't really make any sense.

>>48262603
No specific character creation. A few basic guidelines though, with no hard rules:
>Going over ten cards is a bit too much. Try to keep them legible, so we're able to tell what cards you use. Also, the smaller the number, the easier is to decipher how they fight. The more cards you include, the more muddled and mixed up the character seems.
>Artifacts should be what your character carries from plane to plane. So, no large stationary objects that couldn't feasibly be transported.
>Spells should preferably share the same colors as your character. As an extension of this, your character's colors should be dictated by their personality first and foremost, not by the spells that they use.
>Try to stick to as few legendary creatures as possible. The most common consensus around here is that the less connection your character has with important canon characters, the better.
>Try to stick to a specific theme with your cards. If you put a Splinter Twin combo in your spell section, try to justify why your character knows that, how they use it and why it fits their personality and their method of fighting. Don't just pile on goodstuff spells that are unconnected to the character, theme should come first.
>Most importantly, these are just guidelines. Do whatever the fuck you want, we've got no authority over you.

>>48262668
Also, I recommend that you don't use the extra long backstory version. If you can't fit it in a box, cut the chaff and try again.

>>48262695
>>48262695
It is a slippery slippery slope and it leads to even more slippery tentacles

>>48262748
But Murdock Anon that's lewd.

>>48262714
Would it be considered bad form to make a custom sheet?

So, a library represents a planeswalkers capabilities and spells known, as well as mana bonds and the like.

Is there any fluff that represents the limited access you have to your library any given point, or is that solely in the card game?

>>48262994
your hand represents how many ideas you have. It's not so much that you're limited from the rest of your powers, as it is the idea didn't occur to you yet to use a power not in your hand, but when you draw it it does.

>>48262971
Nope, some people (one in particular) do it for every flake they make. If you think you'll make something good, go ahead and show off. Just try to convey the same basic information - what colors the character is, a basic biography and what sort of Magic cards represent the character well and what theme fits it.

>>48263098
Then why don't I automatically and immediately think of the obvious solution spell I know to fix whatever problem is at hand?

>>48263408
why do some people trip over their own feet?
sometimes brains are dumb

>>48263408
You didn't tutor for it ;^)

>>48263098
Not saying you're wrong, but that's not a very satisfying explanation of the game mechanic in the fluff because of >>48263408.

I always thought there was some sort of inherent chaos factor limiting which magic the mtg mages had access to from what they knew, at a given moment, to explain why despite (when you know the removal spell - or whatever - you need) you only have it in your hand a small fraction of the time.

>>48262817
And we don't like it HOOT, do we?

>>48263511
And that tutoring want just "not being retarded" but actually learning spells which you (again, randomly due some kind of chaos effect) have access to in order to get access to a specific kind of spell that you need for the situation at hand, despite the chaos effect.

>>48262994
There is an inherent clash because the human mind does not work like a deck of cards. It's dissonance between the narrative and the mechanics of the game.

Your library is the totality of your mind, your hand is your conscious mind and your present thoughts and that's where it ends. Does it work perfectly? No, but those are the themes we've got and the themes that we work with. There's no need to invent ideas like 'inherent chaos factors,' we know what we've been told and we also know that there's always going to be a divide between mechanics and flavor. Sometimes, certain interactions can't be explained.

Why can't I just think of the spell I need, therefore moving it into my hand from my library? Why do I need a tutor spell for that?
Why do we politely take turns to fight each other, only interrupting each other with very specific spells that arbitrarily can be cast faster than other spells?
Why can't I just hit the other planeswalker with a sword?

>>48263615
>Why can't I just hit the other planeswalker with a sword?
This is the one that always stood out to me, especially whenever I thought of anything involving Gideon.

>>48264313
Gideon uses fucking cloth hand whips. Like, they're not even tough leather. He just kinda swings them at stuff and uses his Lawful Good magic to hurt it. Like, shit, why doesn't he use a sword or an actual fucking whip?

>>48260674
This isn't possible, because no one can find the spark. And believe me, Yawgmoth tried. We don't talk about Karn.

>>48261485
Yeah, but black does not give a fuck about the concept of justice. Neither black nor red care about equality, because neither black nor red care about people as a group. They can care about individuals, but as soon as you start caring about large groups of people, you're dealing with green or white or maaaaaybe blue. Justice is not a concept that really makes sense when you don't engage with thinking things about large groups of people.

>>48263615
>Why do we politely take turns to fight each other, only interrupting each other with very specific spells that arbitrarily can be cast faster than other spells?
>Why can't I just hit the other planeswalker with a sword?

>A variant mtg format with concurrent turns and the ability to attack with your planeswalker directly.
This sounds like an interesting format I would enjoy playing time to time.

I'm tempted to make a flake. It'll be a shit flake. But a flake nonetheless. Some sort of planeswalking stitcher who gathers body parts from creatures from other planes to create Skaabs with or something.

>>48264832
Anon.

We're all shit here.

>>48264832
That's actually a pretty cool concept.

>Karnwas a golem created as a probe byUrza AndBarrinto enable their time traveling experiments. His form was chosen because Urza's studies had shown that only silver could pass through temporal energies unharmed.
>only silver could pass through temporal energies unharmed.
So how did Sarkhan time travel exactly?

>>48264875
It's never been sufficiently explained. The likeliest explanation is that Tarkir, as a plane, has properties differing from the rest of the Multiverse with regards to time travel, just as Theros has properties different with regards to the gods and the underworld.

>>48264832
>It'll be a shit flake
You tell me, I mean...
>>48264875
No one knows and I will never stop being angry about it.

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>>48264832
No

Stahp

I was literally going to make that flake.

Named the Sticher. That was literally something I was working on, like, 5 minutes ago.

>>48264488
Actually, those are very thin strips of metal, believe it or not. Gideon's weapon is a sural, based off the Indian Urumi weapon

>>48264832
>>48265208
Though, my Sticher was going to be a being that went around killing people and gathering body parts it liked, and replacing its own parts with them. Kind of like jeepers creepers or something.

>>48265255
I think the right wording is "Kaya's plaything".

>>48265208

Oh god this is awkward.

I don't know what to do now. The struggle is real.

>>48265315
Do them both. And then try to outstitch each other.

>>48265255
>>48265315
Honestly, those are probably different enough to be separate flakes, as long as they don't have the same plane of origin. Besides, it's not as if we don't have an entire group called "stitchers" on Innistrad; it's not that uncommon.

>>48265315
Kek. Go ahead and make your thing. It's all good. Your guy stitches other parts together to make skaabs. My gal stitches other parts onto her/himself for reasons. They're different enough.

>>48265327
>>48265327
Truly the best idea.

>trying to write the process of Venn forging a blade.
>Smithing techniques are so hard to read on.

Help?

>>48266165
My knowlege on the subject starts when the weapon is ready to be swung, not before, sorry.

>>48266165
That all depends. Western and eastern smithing are totally different. You have to start by figuring out what kind of blade it is and the origin. Then read up on the techniques used there in that period.

Gaia, stop being lazy.

>>48266165
Well he leveled up his smithing skill, stole some silver ingots, went to a forge, pressed A and selected silver longsword from the menu

SOMEONE HELP

PLEASE MAKE A NEW THREAD

>>48268281
No
Die now in vain

>>48268281
Fine. For fuck's sake. Not the first time I've done it.

>>48268502
>>48268502
>>48268502

GET THE FUCK UP IN HERE