>setting has not-vikings >entire culture revolves around

>>48239283
Eternal Anglo got rekt by a crippled Norseman, so they portray them as fearsome warriors to make it seem less embarrassing than it actually is.

>>48239283
Same place that did these memes:
Frogs are bad at fighting and surrender
Spaniards are anything but psychopaths that will murder anything that moves after or during raping it

It's easy to fall back on irl for inspiration for setting flavour. Fantasy in general is an idealised medieval English clusterfuck. Not-Arabs/asians/mongols in the east, not-vikings/norse in the north.

>>48239374
Don't forget southern blacks and the mysterious tribal jungle natives living on a separate landmass

>>48239394
>Have a jungle civilization
>It's white cause don't' want to deal with politics
>get called racist anyway for it anyway due to cultural apropration.

What I don't get is why the prolific trading aspect is never represented for them. That's what they were best at in their time, not raiding the coasts.
Why is it always the imperial city style faction which has the diplomacy instead of the ones with expansive world spanning trade routes?

>>48239409
simple way to solve this.

give anyone who comes out with "cultural appropriation" the boot.

>>48239283
>setting has not-vikings
>they invade not-europe as regularly as the tides
>they're all theives and bandits

How'd I do?

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>>48239351
It's not rape if it's a heathen.

>>48239283
WE WUZ DANELAWS 'N SHEET

>>48239451
You failed.

>>48239283
I bet it's Conan's fault.

He's the earliest written account of modern fantasy I can think about that combines "north", "barbarian" and "good warrior".

Now add to the fact that fantasy wrights are creatively decrepit and just regurgitate the same concepts but utterly fail to give them depth, repeat that process a few times and you end up with what you described.

>>48239653
Conan is based on Cetls.

Standing and fighting honorably does not inherently make you a great fighter. Coming in like lightning, going around rather than being stopped by hard targets like fortresses, seizing your objectives and then moving on before you can be crushed; that is a perfectly viable path towards greatness as a fighting force.

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>>48239351
This banter displeases me, gabacho.

>>48239690
Fighting who? Unarmed farmers and monks?

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>Setting analogous to 14th - 17th century Europe
>Randomly has pre-11th century Vikings jammed in

Viking knock offs/'northern warriors' are the shittiest, most entry tier fantasy culture, especially since Skyrim and Game of Thrones released the idea to the masses.

>>48239283
>>they are great fighters

How is that a meme? It's not like it was taken out of thin air.

The Danes conquered significant parts of England, The Swedes and Norwegians that settled in Scotland were famous as mercenaries, and norsemen made up the Varangian guard of the Byzantine emperors after norse mercenaries played a big part in some important battle or whatever.

Most viking raids were made by a small number of people so of course they're not gonna win every time and of course they're gonna focus on easy targets and unfair fights, that's just common sense.

But there are also numerous accounts of them being competent warriors in standup fights.

>>48239903
I knew someone will mention Varangian Guard that also had Saxons, Russians and most importantly - got rekt by turkroaches. Such viking warriors.

Also conquering a part of some country then getting decked is hardly impressive if niggers or slavs did the same everyone would call them barbarian failures but since it's scandinavians everyone dickrides for no reason then apparently losing majority of battles is amazing.

>>48239949
>Got rekt by turkroaches

You mean like basically every euro force that went up against them? Fucking steproaches rekt everyone dude.

The funny thing is that everyone on this board shits on Romans who are historically some of the best fighters in the world while praising the "Vikings" myth for a meme.

>>48239993

Citation very much needed, faggot.

>>48240006
See this retard, for example.

>>48239443

Seriously, cultural appropriation is really fucking dumb. It is trying to indice shame for creativity and interest in someone else's culture.

Also, we wuz kangz.

>>48239653
Conan is CIMMERIAN. IE from Anatolia.

>>48239949
What about the time they captured Paris?

>>48240006
We wuz vikingz n sheet.

>>48239993
Historically, Romans were the most successful. An Individual Legionnaire wasn't an AMAZING fighter, merely competent.

>>48240085
What about the second time they tried it and got decked?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Paris_(885%E2%80%9386)

>>48240100
There we go this idiotic ''muh 1v1'' argument again. Why the holy mother of cunt fuck is every autist using individual battle prowess to measure anything if war is not about duels?

My vikings are displaced slavs who live in the woods and fight with staves because they have no iron. How am I doing?

Maybe the reason people focus on the martial virtues of the individual viking warrior is because there's nothing else to explain thier culture's successes military? They weren't hugely technologically advanced compared to their rivals, their military tactics weren't all that different to their rivals and they didn't have much manpower to draw on coming from such an inhospitable part of the world. The only thing they had going for them was being good at fighting.

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>>48239685
Celts, or what counts for "celts" in fantasy terms, is still a people living in the northern parts of not-europe. In fact they're probably the main reason we have naked people in cold environments running around taking heads as they please in modern fantasy, because historical accounts of picts being naked are always drawn up first when people spew "muh badass noble savage" memes.

>>48240074
Not in the context of Conan mind you.

>>48240138
But they were not good at fighting.

>>48239653
Conan is a celt
The Vanir and Aesir are the scandies

>>48240100
The average soldier in the late Roman Empire/ERE had more training than US marines do, and in a wider variety of topics
The army was built around being a small but highly mobile and elite force
Even during the early empire a professional soldier had years of training under his belt an a lot of flexibility

>>48240264
I acknowledge that. But he's not anatolian, which is what >>48240074 tried to make me believe.

It doesn't change the fact that Conan is, technically speaking, from a "northern" country, and he's the epitome of the gud fightan brbrian character. As I said, people probably only took that vague description of his character and applied it badly to their own works, who in turn would be copied by other fantasy wrights and so on. Eventually, that fantasy writing seeped into the popcultural perception of historical people, which is probably where the big shift happened and why scandies get credited as superior fighters, because "comes from the north" has been drawn to its extreme.

>>48240105
In that case, explain how the amazing Romans got btfo by Gauls for years.

And how they lost to the Vandals.

Not a single fucking source for in anything in this thread, what a surprise.

>>48240357
Woah Gauls and Vandals were dueling Romans? That's some interesting historical revelation anon.

>>48240368
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Battles_involving_the_Vikings

>>48239604
>>48239723
>Think anon is joking
>Go look that up
>He's not
>They've through all of history brutal murderers AND GOT AWAY WITH IT ALL
Are Spaniards the sleeping ancient evil?
And the french the ultimate warrior?

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>>48239975
>You mean like basically every euro force that went up against them?
That's because most of them used faith as a dumpstat.

>>48240422
Nope, the more you learn about Spanish culture, the more you learn what a loathsome people they are

"What if I swear to you on my honor as a Spaniard?"

"No good, I've known too many Spaniards."

>>48239975
Even Poles rekt them so that's not an excuse.

>>48239283

>muh historical accuracy

No one cares.

>>48239975
Well other than the Normans, who were literally the army of god. Deus vult

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>>48240422
>And the french the ultimate warrior?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/qi/8080884/Quite-Interesting-the-QI-cabinet-of-curiosity.html
>Which country is the most successful military power in European history?
>France. According to the historian Niall Ferguson, of the 125 major European wars fought since 1495, the French have participated in 50 – more than Austria (47) and England (43). Out of 168 battles fought since 387BC, they have won 109, lost 49 and drawn 10.

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>>48240490
>"Army" of god
>Normans
Maybe if you kick all the moors from the ottoman empire.

>>48240448
Yet to hear a valid complain heretic. Literally did NOTHING wrong.

>>48240568
Honor Killings.

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>>48240105
>There we go this idiotic ''muh 1v1'' argument again. Why the holy mother of cunt fuck is every autist using individual battle prowess to measure anything if war is not about duels?

because this is /tg/

not many RPGs feature 10,000 vs 10,000 battles. what they regularly feature is 4 vs 4 or even 1 vs 1. on some level that's a gameplay thing, but on top of that, most games are placed firmly in the genre of heroic fiction, and one of the principle features of the genre is the importance of great individuals with the willpower and skill to change the world. stuff like logistics, grand strategy and sheer quantity - not so much.

so the genre is naturally attracted to cultures that have a reputation for fierce warriors who fought for individual glory, and less interested in cultures which had disciplined soldiers who fought as cogs in a well-oiled machine, even if the latter were typically more successful in real life.

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>>48240568
>Maybe if you kick all the moors from the ottoman empire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_conquest_of_southern_Italy
How about kicking kebabs out of the Pope's fucking doorstep?

>>48239903
Don't forget the sieges of Paris, forcing most of Western Europe to reshape society to deal with their raids, the conquest of Normandy, etc.

>>48240672
Vs:
The hammer of heretics, light of Trent, sword of Rome, cradle of St Ignatius, Evangelist of half of the orb.

Look, you're dick measuring with the wrong person. You've lost from minute zero.

>>48240807
>sieges of Paris

only the first one worked

>>48240453
Once. In an alliance with other central European powers. After they'd marched and fought all the way to Vienna in hostile territory.

>>48240823
Second one got a ton of concessions even if they didn't conquer the city.

>>48239374
>idealised medieval English/German clusterfuck

ftfy

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>>48239283
>>48239451

>>48240568
>>48240672
>army of god

What is the Holy Roman Empire?

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>>48240919
My nephew's badly managed joke of a state.

As a french"men" would say
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire

>>48240919
>holy
>roman
>empire

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>>48240919
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire

>>48240963
>Felipe VI
>De Bourbon
>Of Spain

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>>48240979
>The lordliest a french can aim to be is Spanish

Funny, isn't it?

>>48240520
>Out of 168 battles fought since 387BC
This seems like a really small number considering the huge time frame.

>>48241031
Because pre gunpowder era warfare was more about sieges than battles to begin with.

>>48240919
A failed state.

>>48240919
A country that was not particularly pious, did not in fact contain Italy, and was pretty fuck small.

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>>48240568
First crusade my nigger

>>48241048
>A failed state
It was around for thousand of years. Wouldn't call it failed.

>>48241042
Also, pre-gunpowder wars (or pre-Napoleon, really) had you sometimes winning or losing a war in a single battle.

That's not really possible these days due to the massive armies we have and thus the staying power - Napoleon bragging about losing thirty thousand men a month like it ain't no thang, for instance.

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>/tg/ thinks they know history

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>>48241057
>M-muh f-first c-crusade!
Let's not count all the ones you lost, eh? Can't baby sit all Christianity.

>>48241112
And you do, oh great one?

>>48239283
We can thank wagner and the romantics

>>48240963
>>48240967
>>48240979
>>48241048
>>48241053
>implying that the Holy Roman Emperors were not the defenders of the faith

>>48240042
>>48239443

If you're white and someone pulls the cultural appropriation line on you, just inform them that your culture has been dominating and integrating elements from other cultures for thousands of years and that cultural appropriation IS your cultural heritage.

Confuses the fuckers right up.

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>>48241170
Hahaha.
No it was a fucking trainwreck, I should've just gave myself lordship of mallorca and spend my life in the sun, nice, peaceful and warm.

>>48240589
this guy gets it

Even wargaming is on such a small scale (compared to historical battles) that it's about particularly cool or elite regiments. Nobody fields an entire army of hundreds of basic infantry models, even though a small cross-section selected at random from almost any army would look like that. Pike and shot era kind of counts as an exception, because of mixed units.

>>48241057
Whole one crusade that wasn't a failure that's really impressive.

>>48241209
This only works if he is western if he's a Slav then he was the one being dominated.

>>48240357
>explain how the amazing Romans got btfo by Gauls for years.
Kek, nice bait.

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>>48239351
>Spaniards are anything but psychopaths that will murder anything that moves after or during raping it
That's completely untrue!

>>48241133
Yes, yes I do.

>>48241569
>English fasion : French
kek

>>48240006
The Punic Wars (although the 2nd is the interesting one). The Gallic Wars. The Roman-Spartan war (aka the War against Nabis).

Really, the Romans lasted for so long that they hold the record for battles won simply because they fought more battles than anybody else.

So about the time of the Gallic Wars, the romans were Dayum good at fighting.

>>48241603
What can I say? French are the best faction in the game even if the Spaniards have been OP since day 1. Sure they got nerfed, but they'll be back to their old levels soon. I've given up all hope that the glitch that refuses to let any buffs or patches to the Russian mind will go away.

>>48239283
>Norse weren't a fucking warrior culture
for example they had a religion that made them believe they would go to Valhalla if they died in battle. Every man was expected to be armed at all times. When you read their sagas, they story usually revolves around battles, duels, fighting in general. Oh yeah, they also went out and raided a bunch of places. Hmm, sounds a bit like a warrior culture to me.

>couldn't deal with monastery levies in Ireland.
oh of course, youre on of those butthurt britshits who cling on to the fact that vikings werent perfect or invincible. You win some, you lose some. Generally speaking their raids were a huge feat. Just the logistics of organizing it, going to the british isles and ruling it etc. was really something.

>>48239351

yeah frogs are good at fighting. just not as good as the brits

>>48241053
>not particularly pious
It was at some points

> did not in fact contain Italy
It did at some points


>pretty fuck small.

what? Also not what Voltaire was getting at.

The HRE Voltaire said his meme about was the Holy roman Empire of German Nation, to which it applied. The HRE is old and was sanctioned by the pope, succeeding Rome and ruled by the Emperor at multiple points in time.

>>48241639
>Spaniards
>OP
Baddie spotted! Keep going melee.

>>48241748
>just not as good as the brits (at propaganda)

>>48241721
Only half of the warriors who died went to Valhalla the other half went to Folkvangr and those who died from old age went to Hel's realm . Shows how much you know about them.

>>48241748
But that's fucking false you, britcuck.

>>48241796
I was giving examples. Do you know what that means..

It means im not gonna sit here and list every single aspect of their culture, religion and history. I was just making a point.

>>48239283
>Norse weren't a fucking warrior culture

Yes. They were. Just take a look at the pantheon and you'll see that.

And just let me ask you here, why would the emperor of the most powerful nation in the world at the time hire "garbage" warriors as bodyguards?

I'm not claiming they were the best, that'd just be stupid, but that they were universally garbage is just as bad.

>>48239441
>What I don't get is why the prolific trading aspect is never represented for them. That's what they were best at in their time, not raiding the coasts.
because it was british monks aka the sore losers that wrote the history books from that age, not the vikings
and in those books they did their best to vilify them

>>48241818
By that logic muslim countries are warrior cultures because ISIS believes blowing themselves up will grant them heaven.

>>48239903
>How is that a meme?
Because all ideas are memes by definition.

>>48239351
>Spaniards are anything but psychopaths that will murder anything that moves after or during raping it
You better take that back or I'll fucking kill you, you hear me?

>>48239283
>were so garbage at fighting
I wish this counter-meme meme would die

>>48241915
norse culture also expected males to be strong in body and capable of fighting and defending themselves and their family, it was a lot more than how you ended your life

>>48242038
>Spain is a nation of peace, behead those who insult Spain

>>48242038
Islam really had an impact on spanish culture.

>>48240221
You are just memeing.
Like the "katanas are the most useless swords ever!" memsters.
Why don't you study the subject instead?

>>48239283
>entire culture revolves around war
Norse chieftains and kings were constantly fighing each other though. It was a part of their normal life back home, not just abroad.

>>48241748
>Win five wars of coalition vs bongs + allies basically by themselves
>Lose one
"Brits better at warfare"
Perfidious Albion.

>>48242067
Funfact islam used to be peaceful.
1300 year ago

>>48240100
Romans were skilled swordsmen.

>>48242556
No, Gladiators were skilled swordmen, and they would beat any roman in a 1v1 in a battle with no armor.

>>48239283
You again?

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>>48240357
Magic potion

>>48242057
Every single culture expected that from men.

>>48242608
You don't conquer a nation with a dozen sharpshooters.
You conquer a nation with thousands of well-disciplined soldiers with solid morale and a willingness to die for your cause, even if they are middling shots.

>>48242100
Name some military achievements of vikings.

>>48242824
Establishment of the Danelaw, unification of Scotland, hegemony over Ireland, Normandy, multiple sacks of Paris. And while we're at it creation of the Danevirke. The establishment of Kievan Rus, and finally the North Sea Empire of Cunt the Great.

>>48243151
Normandy was given to them after they were defeated, they sacked Paris only once, Rurik was finnish and there isn't any archeological evidence for any Norse activity in Russia, Cnut had polish mother, he was a half slav.

Love live the Saxons! down with the norsemen!

>>48242817
>You conquer a nation with thousands of well-disciplined soldiers with solid morale and a willingness to die for your cause

yea, that is probably why the empire was a crumbling near the end.

most of the army by the end of the western empire were germanic tribesmen/non romans right? why fight for rome, when you can sack it!

and sack it they did

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>>48242061
>Spain is empire of peace.
>Rape those who try to break the empire the empire.

>>48240589
This guy is the most accurate guy itt.

>>48241721
To be fair, lots of people couldn't deal with invading Ireland until the protestants came along and shitted everything up. Irish people are all secretly that crazy person no one wants to fuck with because they will go from friendly to stabbing you at the slightest provocation.

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>>48243467
>You will NEVER, EVER lead an army against the perfidious English, the treacherous French or the abominable Ottomans for God, Spain and to get rich

>>48239283
It always amuses and bemuses me that of all the professional looters, murders, slavers and rapists the world has seen the the Vikings have captured the spot of the one most likely to be idolised and defended.

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>>48244202
>you will never be a frog sacking Rome

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>>48244238
>Wodanism is the religion of peace
Just doesn't have the same ring to it, does it?

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>>48244282
>Not posting the right picture
DO YOU EVEN FUCKING SACK?

Well, after cheking this thread, I must ask:
Are dozens of RPGs in which Spain appears?
Cause I can only think in a couple or so.

Most RPGs are a mixture of England-France ripoffs with some Geramn sounding names.

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>>48244202
>meme centre

>>48244320
>using decapitated heads as interior decoration

Man, the classical world was avant garde as fuck

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>>48244322

>>48239283
Shit-tier /his/ meme that reeks of butthurt christfaggotry

>>48243201
Normandy was given in a treaty, obvious ceding land away to the enemy is not a result of decisive, longterm victory.

There is not enough proof the definitively say Rurik was Finnish, this is typically the opinion of revisionist slavs, most people who reject the Normanist theory do not make a good case.

Wends are not exactly slavs as you put it, especially in regard to royal families, the wendish royal family at the time was fairly gothic if I remember correctly.

>>48244361
Well Celts did collect heads you could drink with your buddy and he would pull out some decapitated fucking head and tell you how he killed him.

>>48241569
>English
>ruler: changes every day
>Amusement: working

glorious

>>48244428
Oh yes because vikings were so anti christian right? It's not like Sweyn Forkbeard built churches despite being a viking or anything. Face it dumb underage vikings weren't some fierce pagan warriors but opportunists who switched religions on the fly and attacked unarmed people.

>>48239838
>Game of Thrones Northmen
>Game of Thrones Wildlings
>Vikings
What in the fuck have you been reading? The Wildlings almost all specifically abhor the sea, and don't have anywhere near the sort of trade the Norse had. The Northmen are stoic, reserved, cannot into subtlety and actually think with the head on their shoulders unless muh honor comes into it.
Neither of those cultures are anything like the Scandinavians, unless you're getting pissy about the naming conventions and such, and if that's what your argument is based off of, reread the books.

>>48244820

Game of Thrones Ironborn are Vikings, or more particularly Balon was. Asha became a strong wymyn, and Victarion and Euron became anime.

>>48244740
No.
Vikings are noble savages.
Vikings are aryan master race.
WE discovered america.
WE were the spanish empire (not current spain, they're niggers)
WE were anglos (not current anglos, they're mogrels and subhuman)

>>48244868
The Ironborn are even more retarded being the only settled people ever to do deicide that farming was *eh* not for them.

>>48239351
>Spaniards are anything but psychopaths that will murder anything that moves after or during raping it
Sounds like Russians.

>>48244953
Yes, but people KNOW russians are that.

Everyone thinks the spanish are good and meek, lazy and partylovers.

What people forget is that they where one of the longest and most brutal empires for a reason. At any moment they'll wake up.

>>48244740
You've sure done a lot to convince me you aren't a butt-hurt cathlicuck

>>48244908
ironic shitposting, is still shitposting anon

>>48245108
>>48245098
butthurt dago/spic/non-white!

>>48244946
I thought in-universe that the soil was too poor for farming (I don't read or watch the show, though)

>>48241170
Inbetween the butt fuckings, of course.

>>48245108
Prove that vikings were good fighters.

>>48245145
Then the fuck would anyone settle there?

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>>48245128

>>48245173
He can't, or he's going to post oddballs and shittily source crap, like "Muh vikings wuz kangs'n'columbuns n sheeeit"

>>48245173
I never said they were, just that the impetus behind a lot of the /his/ counter-signal towards vikings is resentment at neo-pagans.

Anyone who tries to tell you any historical group of people (including romans) were good or bad fighters whole cloth belongs on the deadliest warrior forums.

>>48245310

The best fighters were the ancient astronauts, though uninformed sceptics deny they were historical.

>>48245173
They existed as a separate culture in Europe, which was filled with aggressively destructive expansionists.

That right there says they could fight well enough that expansionists couldn't destroy them and their culture quickly enough that they were not remembered historically, unlike dozens of other cultures absorbed by expansionist ones.

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>>48245332
>implying ancient astronauts could beat triceratops in a fair fight

>>48245361
>They existed as a separate culture in Europe, which was filled with aggressively destructive expansionists.
Mostly because they lived in a cold shithole. It's the same reason why Russia has never been conquered: it's a diseaseridden shithole that civilized peoples want to leave as fast as possible.

>>48245306
Easy on the Freud, friend

>>48245361
Does this mean that the japanese were also good fighters?

>>48245394
No, they were an entirely isolationist group that had almost zero interactions with outside countries. they slaughtered the locals pretty well though.

>>48245394
Easter islanders were clearly the #1 fighters of all time.

>>48245394

Well the Jews don't fear the vikings or hussars.

>>48245432
And the koreans, chinese and mongols. And samurai were pretty big as bodyguards or mercenaries in south-east asia.

It seems your theory is right, the japanese were pretty good fighters.

>>48245383
Mongols conquered Russia.

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>>48245486
>the koreans

no

>>48245532
Yeah, the japs seem to have been retarded when it comes to the sea, but it's a different matter on the land.

>>48245094
>At any moment they'll wake up.
Looking forward for it cause I don't think they will reach me anyway and I do love to see some chaos going on.

>>48239409
Logically speaking if you're a culture that lives in the jungle, and has lived in the jungle for many generations, you're likely to be naturally tan.

Fair skin vs. darker skin has a lot to do with geography.

>>48245582
Even on land they were completely and utterly wrecked in their early contacts with Mongols. They couldn't grasp that war wasn't based on muh honor for them, so while they got absoluted anhililated they still thought their warfare was superior

>>48241569
Was it made by Austrian> They seem pretty butthurt about Hungarians.

>That Pole tab
Seems to fit.
>amusement: arguing
kek

>russian reigned by: a volunteer
kek

>Turk's fashion: feminine
another kek

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>>48245733
And then they beat them. Man, you sound really biased in this matter and will shit on the japanese no matter what.

>>48244868

Didn't Asha become a lesbian or something in the show?

>>48244320
Man, I remember great filename of advertisement about Obelix becoming thin after pussy dietm should have saved it.

>>48245806
yes and I'm still pissed about it. Asha in the books is an interesting look at a character who both clashes against and idolizes her native culture. She and her boyfriend role play rape because that is the lens by which her culture views sex. In the show DnD looked at her character and thought "huh a female character that acts masculine better make her a lesbian."

>>48239283

Knock off with the ass-mad shitposts already.

>>48245770
It was made an Austrian with a Spain fetish, or was made by a Hungarian I think.