Imperium Asunder: Not another /tg/ heresy

>>48120294

So, we're back. Now, the first priority must be ensuring that all 20 Legions are down. There's massive gaps in the Traitor Ranks, so let's start filling them.

>>48120337
There's actually more traitors on the wiki list than there are loyalists. Personally I can't tell if anyone's missing because I miss a lot of shit in these threads.

>>48120370
>the name REDACTED is a red link

That's a nice touch. We should totally keep it that way.

>>48120370

Last time I looked there was only 5 traitors and 9 Loyalists. My mistake.

I'm headed out to watch mofuggin fireworks but I offer this slight criticism as I leave:

I think the Hekatonkires should pick a new name. IMO all legion names should be in Low Gothic (english.) They don't have to all be THE ADJECTIVE NOUNS but I do think they should all be, well, words.

>>48120422
Currently 8:10 in the Traitor's favor.

>>48120434

So we need two more Loyalist Legions, and preferably an interesting gimmick for each.

>>48120294
Ive just finished updating the wiki.

Some details missing but i've reread all the threads and couldnt find the answers.

Also, Ive just stuck # next to each number as I came across them, there was one discrepency since the name was changed later. If anyone cares feel free to change them.

>>48120391
Thanks I thought it would be cool.

>>48120434
I put the Oathsworn and Paladins in the traitor bunch but in reality they are actually neutral.

I just consider them traitors because loyalty is everything to the Hawk.

>>48120561

Let's be honest: There is no real Neutral in 40k. Neutral simply means everyone hates you.

Well, if there's now a loyalist opening the Astral Tigers from the first thread might fit in. I've got enough wayward fluff to pad them out alright too.

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>>48120571
Yeah well especially since you start on 1 side by being a Primarch, anything less than absolute loyalty to the cause and to the Emperor makes you a traitor in my eyes.

>>48120602

Go ahead. What do they do and where do they fit in?

>>48120602
While I don't want to say outright no to more content, I think 8 v 8 with 2 "neutrals" works pretty well already.

I mean if there are more loyalists than traitors then there is no reason to have lost the rebellion to begin with.

Just consideration though.

>>48120631

The moment the Emperor dies, the Loyalists lose. They could still outnumber the Traitors two to one or more and they'd still lose. Without the Emperor, the Loyalists are scattered, bereft of centralized leadership and vulnerable to the rising tide of the Warp.

Are you still looking for more legions? And if so what themes have/have not been taken.

>>48120655
>The moment the Emperor dies, the Loyalists lose.

If thats what people want cool, but I disagree with the premise.

Genetically bred super-soldiers don't just give up when you kill the general, they turn to the next in the chain of command.

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>>48120631
Fair, if those two neutrals are actually neutral in the grand scheme of things.

>>48120613
Ridiculously /fit/ marines based on Bruce Lee and Kenshiro. This Bruce Lee quote was my original inspiration, and basically describes how they think about war. "If I were to be completely realistic in my films, you would call me a violent, bloody man. I would simply destroy my opponent by tearing his guts out. I wouldn't do it so artistically." Just hit the enemy so hard and so fast, no defense would be enough anyway. Don't go around the shield, just smash through it. Vaguely Tibetan Buddhist/Gurkha themed as well.

>>48120741
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Imperium_asunder

Check this out for a brief summary of each legion.

>>48120752
Doesnt matter if they dont give up, The loss of big E leads to some serious warp instability.

>>48120752

We've already established there is no Loyalist Guilliman to unite the Loyalists. The Crusader states exist because none of the Loyalists are willing to sacrifice their authority towards one supreme head. The Loyalists are divided and only rarely unite against a greater foe, only for these alliances to fall apart the moment the danger has passed.

>>48120752
Not really the point. It's not just a morale/command loss. The Emperor dying means the Dark Gods have massively more influence. Suddenly the Traitors are twice as powerful and have even more demons to bolster their forces. Not to mention the non-Astartes morale losses.

>>48120769
>>48120782
>>48120785
Happy with that, im trying to work out the immediate timeline post Big E death.

>>48120759
And just to be clear, I'm not actually asking for these guys to be in. Just throwing them out as a possibility.

the second sons are my primary interest here.

>>48120768
Well, Had a traitor legion wrote up earlier but it was discounted due to overlapping, And only one legion is put up there.

>>48120815

After the Emperor dies, the Loyalists would flee before the storm, then the Eye of Terra would be born. The Loyalists would settle down and start to establish themselves on either their homeworlds (If they are in Ultima) or in surrogate Homeworlds and begin to reestablish themselves. At some point there would be a council of the remaining Loyalist Primarchs, and it would be there that tensions would flare up and boil over, leading to the fracturing and creation of the Crusader states as entirely autonomous and interdependent entities. There would be a period of fighting as the Crusader States clash with one another on disputed border areas, but that would eventually settle down as the modern shape of the Crusader States is established.

>>48120785
>>48120782
>>48120769
What do people think about having a Sangiunius type character then, to have die off immediately post heresy (or possibly in the late stages of the heresy). A proverbial golden son, that rallies the loyalist forces and is almost immediately crushed to demonstrate the futility of attempting such actions?


>>48120863
Which legion? There was some confusion when I was making that page up due to name changes and people leaving the thread, I wasn't sure of which to put in - thats why I added the unconfirmed section just above.

>>48120872

*Independent


Fuck Autocorrect.

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I called Enoch the twelfth son in the first thread, and somewhere along the line someone starting calling him the seventh. This is not a sticking point by any means, I just found it interesting.
>>48120759
That is an intriguing idea certainly, though the hitthemhard domain has the Storm Hammers and to a slightly lesser extent Judgement Bringers.

>>48120885
The Imperial angels, Partly my fault due to not doing the entire write up at once, And my dorm ip is sort of permabanned @chan.

>>48120907
Yeah I saw that when I was making the table up and honestly just cbf going back and changing numbers around.

>>48120916
oh yeah. I remember reading them in the last thread, the boarding actions and such.

>>48120924
Boarding actions, Single combat/mellee shtick, Chose an unfortunate name though.

Is there anything else I need to write for my legion? Should I begin working on the wiki article? Is there a template for it?

>>48120885
I like this idea a lot. Although the "warring brothers" setting we're brewing here means the primarchs are the central figures even into '40k', it stills feels appropriate to have a few primarchs get offed. Now the question is raised of do we invent a sangy to kill or does someone want to offer up their baby

>>48120954
Well I don't see the Hawk Primarch as much of a Sangy character in saying that, his loyalty to the Imperium and the big E is unquestionable and more importantly I was planning on offing him anyway.

I think there are probably better options for a "leader" and "prodigal son" though.

>>48120945
No template as yet, havent go to it sorry. But doing a wiki article on a different page or some sort of pop-down to avoid the 1 page being cluttered would be good.

>>48120985
>>48120954

Are we talking just a tragic martyr type figure, Or specifically a loyalist?

>>48121001
What I was thinking (and feel free to improve upon or disagree entirely with) was...

A central figure who either rallies the loyalists or at least tries to. Then moments before success (either rallying them or launching the crusade) he is struck down by the forces of chaos as a sign that such things just are. not. possible. anymore, the time of the Emperors sons has passed and the time for chaos to reign is now. (maybe too dark?)

I think it would be thematically appropriate if it was a character much akin to Sangy, someone who the other primarchs would naturally turn to, the one who embodied either the best aspects of the emperor or possibly the runner up for War Master.

I dont know im just spitballin.

>>48121054
I had a thought of where NOTsanguinus would essentially be duped by chaos or flawed to a greater extent, and after NOThorus offs the emperor and the walls of reality start to thin, daemons start to flood out he decides "This isnt actually what i signed up for at all" And dies in a futile attempt to rectify this.

>>48120985
>>48121001
How about this. There were 21 legions and 21 primarchs, because the warmaster was a secret and kept close to the emperor's chest. We invent one final (for now, nothing is set in stone yet) primarch for the express purpose of getting brutally murdered when he tries to rally the loyalists after the emperor is killed. Thus showing that things are srs bznz and making the loyalist decide to nope the fuck out.

>>48121054

Perhaps the Loyalists have escaped, the Firewall is shielding them from the Traitors, they have a brief period of time to consolidate and this Primarch is basically set up as the Regent or Warmaster or whatever, only for him to be struck down by the Traitors. And with that, the only hope the Loyalists have to be united against Chaos is gone, and the Eastern Imperium fractures into the Crusader States.

>>48121078
So, less of a golden son and more of a silver or bronze one.

>>48121078
I like it, but doesn't put across the idea of

"even the best of us" couldn't stand up to them.

The problem with the person losing due to corruption is that it comes down to willpower, whereas if it comes down to martial strength or prowess and the person not only loses but is obliterated it sends a stronger message. We already know that chaos can corrupt (ref warmaster) but now we know we can't even Fight it (which is what Astartes do)

>>48121098
So more like Malcador himself betrayed the Emps? Or a Custodian

>>48121128
I dont know, It kind of does, And just having NOTsang get slaughtered by the loyalists for reasons really doesnt in my opinion.

>>48121150
>NOTsang get slaughtered by the loyalists

Sorry I must not have been clear. I meant that at the moment of greatest triumph (either having just convinced the loyalists to unite - or possibly just prior to step off on the crusade)

The Chaos Gods obliterate him, in front of everyone. Either through a proxy champion or by a lightning bolt, or perhaps even a tear in the fabric of the universe sucks him into the warp leaving only the echos of laughter.

Something that tells everyone - your best was nothing to us - dont even bother, now is the time of chaos.

If noone likes it cool, but yet another corruption story is redundant.

>>48121191
Having the dark gods just up and asplode this character feels a bit cheap imo, What if he gives him and his legion to buy time for the rest of the legion to flee after terra?

>>48121229
Rest of the loyalists*

>>48121128
sorry, let me be more clear. We currently have the framework for 20 legions, includes the warmaster's legion. And although there's nothing sacred about 20, it does have a nice roundness to it. But it'd be 20 without the warmasters legion since he is a big ole secret. So 21 in total. Warmaster still stabs emps.
>>48121150
>>48121191
To weigh in as well, the 'second thoughts' primarch doesn't drive home the whole, 'oh loyalists are fucked lets peace out' sentiment like the NOTsangy primarch does. I also like the idea of the timeline going something like
Emps backstabbed->loyalists is disarray, sloppy retreat->NOTsangy says rally squad->NOTsangy gets pwnd (i like him getting killed by a person, not a force of nature)->loyalist are fucked, running away, saved by the firewall

>>48121229
Oh I like that, hold the gate and such.
You would need a fairly martial Primarch in that case, I imagine he would be coming up against greater demons and even demon primarchs and to be useful he'd need to hold for a while.

Damn, I wish I'd made my guy more martial just to do that.

Y'all are super adorable, and your direction is actually pretty baller.
I wish you all the luck, and if I decide to get off my ass and contribute to my own project, maybe I'll drop in on yours sometime, too.
Cheers ~

>>48121243
Isn't the current course that Faustus stayed behind on Luna to cover the loyalist's retreat in space?

>>48121247
Sangy was always a fairly martial primarch, Not to mention the person in question would also have the remnants of his legion and fleet for support.

>>48121247
>>48121243
That timeline and the new suggestion of holding the line tie in really well.

Fuck its an awesome scene as well.

>>48121243
Im not tracking 20, i've got 18 to my count.

>>48121265
Yeah, I mean the !Sang character would have to be martial, we have the loyalist Primarchs made up and honestly none of them have been described so far in a way that makes them applicable for the role. Hence my regret at not making the Hawk more martially inclined.

Maybe Graha'nak or Engerand?

>>48121293
Am I retarded how did I get to 20

Any Creation Table fags in here? I.e. Hua Yuan, Shields, Golden Spectres, Death Consuls?

>>48121293
I could write one up if thats a possibillity, Was already working on a legion based around chivalric values and single combat, could shift names and concepts around a bit.

>>48121318
great minds think alike. I was doing the same, if you want ill dump my ideas and you can take what you want. Or just post what youve got - either or.

>>48121325
Alright, Dump away and i'll get cracking.

Perfect. This is great collaboration. In which we can say "What about this?" "Eh maybe this instead" "YES and also THIS!" sorry I just had to stroke our dicks a little, this is all just making me happy

>>48121333
Names: Knights Exemplar, Solar, Sanguine, Tempestus (but I think we have enough storm/lightning etc already)

Specialty: Armoured Assaults, Close Combat, or Bikes (mounts)

Colours: White, Black, and (blue or red)
Symbols: Swords, Crossed or Pointing downwards.

Primarch Name: Samandrial Ignis? Talborec

Talents as a Primarch: Master of Blades, Known for truthfullness,

Nikeae - Probably for.

Geneseed Defect - Something bad, like black rage or the curse of the wulfen.

How did the arch-traitor try to sway him - a solution to his secret genetic defect, or threaten to reveal it.

>>48121402
Just occured to me that Jetbikes were a thing in 30k - could be a unique specialisation.

>>48121402
I think a jack of all trades kind of guy whose only exemplary attribute was his skill at arms, As for name what about Brotherhood of the Broken blade? "When i was brought into the fold one of my brothers once joked i broke more steel in the training arena than a great company of marines, Name stuck." As for defect i'll have to think for a bit, Colour scheme im thinking white with a black trim, As for Symbol maybe an aquillae clutching the ends of a broken sword?

>>48121530
Hmm, How about having him just be too trusting, Maybe the flaw can be the lamenter trademark bad luck?

>>48121452
I think Alexios has jetbikes for the whole cavalry thing, but that could probably be shifted.

>>48121402
What about playing up that beast-knight angle a bit? Hyper-violent berserker tendencies and a focus on discipline. We might be able to rework the Bruce Lee dudes from >>48120759
a wee bit, so that they use honor and discipline as a way of controling their otherwise World Eater-esque tendencies.

>>48121530
Id go with an unbroken sword so that in his final battle his sword can break and then his few remaining sons take that on as new heraldry. A symbol of standing defiant until the end.

As for jack of all trades id agree, with just an innate gift for combat. Like a primarch Sigismund.

>Hyper-violent berserker tendencies and a focus on discipline
Sort of like White Scars taming the beasts within to focus their savagery into otherwise unattainable levels of skill and strength?

Honestly i think it would be better to avoid the "Hyper-violent berserker" part or at least tone it down. I think its been done enough, but its definitely workable either way.

>>48121555
>I think Alexios has jetbikes for the whole cavalry thing
Sorry wasn't tracking that. Doesn't need to change, I didnt mean to steal anybodies thunder.

>>48121551
That could definitely work too, sort of an Emperor's champion thing.

From the direction I think we're trying to go, that would work really well with a flaw angle. The only problem is that if we end up playing up the nobility and virtue angle, I don't think it would gel with a last minute redemption kind of deal. We'd need someone a lot more flawed for that, I think.

>>48121581
>>48121551
The last stand spiel for this noble-knight type character works better thematically if he isn't on the path for redemption.

Its like a analogy of this noble-bright character dying to symbolise the grimdark future.

>>48121601
Yeah, I missed the intention for this character, was still reading down the thread.

Actually, this might work best for Anders Kor. We'd need his anon in on it since it would be a major reworking, but, what if
He goes through the crusade getting increasingly disillusioned with the brutality of it all and goes renegade as the heresy starts. He spends most of the heresy in denial, protecting the civilians, but as the true face of chaos becomes clear, he sees what they're up against.
He can't bear to live in the universe that is to come and so chooses to die with his ideals intact, covering the loyalist retreat.

The Firewall is a massive warpstorm, right? What if, in its ebb and flow, there are occasionally gaps where it is only obscenely dangerous instead of suicidally dangerous to sail through. These events could be the triggers for Crusades between the Eastern and Western Imperium. Dark chaos prophets and imperial astropaths alike try to predict when an interspacial gap will open next.

>>48121651

It's left vague as to exactly what it is, but somehow 99% of the time it's utterly impassable. However there's both the Tempestus Gap and presumably the area in the far north of the Imperium that either side can use to circumvent it. Though I like the idea that every so often it weakens and both sides try to push through heedless of cost at those times, and as M41 draws to a close it appears that it's about to completely die. If that happens nothing could stop the full might of the Traitors from driving right into the heart of the Eastern Imperium.

>>48121643
It would work if he is interested, in saying that curious anon is working on knightly-knights who might fill the gap just as well and we can make him abit more of a sue knowing that he culminates in the defence of the loyalists.

>>48121601
Well had no plans to not have him go down the path of redemption at this point, I'll write a bit over the day and get back to you, If you like it i'll keep at it.

>>48121696
Sangy was a sue to be honest, Dont intend for wings or anything, In short i want to make him a jack of all trades (Which sets him apart from the other primarch's alone) who was exemplary in combat, Specifically close combat, As sangy i wish for him to be generally well liked by most of his brothers, A little too trusting for his own good (Not entirely good at reading the intentions of his peers, As Sangy was too trusting of Horus) Slap a bit of knightly virtues and honor in the mix, Just going to head out for a quick cigarette then i'll get started with the base legion draft stuff.

Legion name
Pre Heresy: Knights Exemplar
Post Heresy: Brotherhood of the Broken Blade

Legion insignia
Pre Heresy: A shining silver sword.
Post Heresy: A broken sword the edge chipped.

Warcry
Pre heresy: For honor and virtue!
Post heresy: Untarnished and unbroken we fight for the betrayed!

Special equipment
Crusade Pattern power armor, They favour traditional blades over chainswords, Higher rate of flamethrowers and melta guns.

Legion Tactics
High focus on martial skill of single combatants, Strong veteran corps, Mass deployment of terminator armor and land raiders.

Genetic Flaw
Pre heresy: None
Post heresy: Inexplicably bad luck

Legion status:
Near Defunct ( 500 or so marines )

Primarch
Klaus Staffel
Status
Dead

Homeworld
Prexes I
Type
Feudal
Current Status
Dead World

Any thoughts?, Need a legion number that isnt taken.

>>48122216

I think the full name 'Brotherhood of the Broken Blade' is a tad overlong and clunky. Calling them the 'Broken Blades' is short, sweet and too the point and not a mouthful.

>>48122236
I'll change that, Good idea, I'll leave this til i get back from lunch.

>>48122216
How did your primarch die?

>>48122216

Post Heresy the Broken Blades would the single most committed to taking the fight to the Traitors. They'd have a huge presence in Tempestus and probably even a Chapter Fortress there. But thanks to the loss of their Primarch and the subsequent degradation of Gene-Seed their numbers would be replenished only slowly, so they'd always be under strength.

>>48122343
Hes supposed to be a sanguinus like figure who dies at the end of the heresy, Sacrificing himself and most of his legion to cover the retreat of his brothers, Its discussed further up in the thread.

>>48122216
Pre heresy: For honor and virtue!

Can I recommend "Sworn to valour" or "Est Victoria Gladio" (The sword is victorious)

>>48122372
While im not against others taking the fight to the traitors, it seems like if the Blades were to do that they would need to actually leave the Tempestus gate - the Hawks for example are currently reaving the Dark Imperium in what they call their "Eternal War".

Possibly consider either A: doing something similiar (perhaps even with the Hawks since we have the transports?) or B: Playing up the whole "we barred the gate" mentality and have them the first line of defence to the Eastern Imperium, much akin to their fallen Liege.

>>48122396
Sworn to valour sounds better, And i imagine given that the vast majority of the Broken Blades died with Klaus they are disorganized, Like hedge knights, Maybe even mercenaries, Offering their services to anyone who fights the traitors, Probably in return for the supplies to do so.

>>48122396

Tempestus beyond the Gap is a massive Warzone spanning several sectors with both sides trying to secure it for themselves. Plenty of room for the Legion/Chapter to be operating.

Furthermore, though the Broken Blades are always understrength, they are well supplied by the other Crusader States. In part because they help to keep the states free of Chaos Incursions, in part in memoriam for their lost Primarch, and in part because some prophecies state when the Chapter finally dies, the last fragment of the Emperor's dream will die with them and the Eastern Imperium will fall soon after. So there's a vested interest in keeping them going.

>>48122418
on my bad. i had imagined more of a funnel. in which case disregard my last

>>48122423

The Gap is simply the way in and out for the Crusaders, and is heavily defended. But it is not a bulwark like the Cadian gate, but more a jumping off point for Loyalist Crusades into Tempestus and a safeguard should the Traitors try to flank the Firewall.

How stable is The Gap? Like does the Firewall just abruptly stop or does it sort of flicker/fade/pulse in and out to the whim of some unknowable force?

>>48122418
> Broken Blades are always understrength, they are well supplied by the other Crusader States.

I like that idea, a tithe of materials and personnel (aspirants?) paid to the the blades in part due to the role they play in defending the loyalist forces and in part as thanks for their incredible sacrifice.

Almost like a 40k Nights Watch / Deathwatch. Led by the veterans of the Broken blades.

The Warhawks would most definitely have close ties with them, being another legion that has no interest in the status quo or surviving, wanting only to destroy the traitor forces.

>>48121555
>I think Alexios has jetbikes for the whole cavalry thing, but that could probably be shifted.
Yep. The Angels of Light primarily field two things: Jetbikes deployed from orbit using Stormravens, and Drop Pod infantry. Alexios himself rides an extra-large landspeeder he designed himself run with a crew of 5 of his captains, called the Quadriga. The crew of the Quadriga, as well as the Scimitar jetbike escort which accompanies it, make up Alexios' Honor Guard: The Pantheon. Marked by their golden armor and white cloaks, the Pantheon's power lances are distructive forces of the Emperor's will made manifest.

Once in a blue moon, when one of the Pantheon is of great worth and in great need, the God Emperor of Mankind chooses him as his champion. Such a thing happened to Eulodius Rex, during the second crusade. The Angels sought to take the desert world of Tallarn, to use as a staging ground for further expeditions into the disputed zone. It was held, however, by the daemonic mechanicus monstrosities of the Behemoth Guard, who sought the very same thing.

Gengrat's mutant masterminds had built towering fortifications of twisting flesh, iron cables, and wheels turning within wheels. Void Shields decorated with the corpses of heretics rose like spires among the fortification, protecting the Bohemoths from orbital bombardment. The dark robed forms marching the battlements were barely discernable from the mutinous construction they walked upon. Astartes with elongated elephentine trunks and thousands of mechadendrite tenticles marched alongside technoslaves draped in the unholy sigils of their dark god.

The Angels came from above on wings of flame. Fresco painted drop pods and gold plated stormravens broke orbit with atmospheric flame bathing them in glowing halos of light. At ten thousand feed, the bay doors of the stormravens open wide and let loose a barrage of what at first seems like rocket fire. The rockets are, indeed the Pantheon, tearing through the atmosphere on their Jetbikes and landspeeders, ready to send the enemies of the God Emperor to hell, where traitors and heretics burn for all time.

>>48122489
They were not prepared, however, for the true madness of Gengrat's machinations. From the churning wheels of the fortress arose a monstrosity of twisted diaphanous wings and rough iron tentacles dripping with ectoplasm. A thousand eyes pockmarked what could be called its skin, watching a thousand directions. On its forehead, dripping red with blood, was a crucified man. From his skull a million red neurocables spanned fell like hair into the depths of the monstrosity. The Great Beast had been summoned, vilest of the technodemons. The infantry forces of the Angels of Light which had been pushing toward the fortress were pushed back as the Beast spewed up gobs of sticky plasma upon them.

Alexios' pantheon charged at the Beast from above. The Multi-melta arrays of the Quadriga melted molten holes in the flesh of the Beast, but it seemed to barely notice. The multilaser guns of his jetbike managed only to singe the monstrosity's flesh. Amid the chaos of battle, Eulodius Rex recited the Litany of Light.

"The God Emperor is my beacon, with him I cannot be lost. The god Emperor is my shield, with him no foe can best me. The Emperor is my libram, with him no task is too great."

The Emperor smiled on Eulodius' steadfast faith and bravery, and chose him as his champion. The light of the Empyrean buzzed about him like a thunder cloud, and his armor changed to the pure white of the sun. His jetbike vanished and instead he grew wings of glorious soft down. His eyes were the blazing fury of a vengeful god, and in his hand he held the lightning of a raging storm. Eulodius swept down upon the Beast, striking him with lightning and screaming the God Emperor's fury. The battle was monolithic in scope, and many soldiers on both sides died in the blood-soaked sand beneath the titans. In the end, Eulodius Rex speared the beast through the heart, and banished it back into the warp.

>>48122486
>crew of 5 of his captains,

Thats what I call a HVT.

>>48122489
Is this like an Emperors champion kind of deal?

>>48122496
The God Emperor's aspect faded from Eulodius, leaving him a lone Astartes, collapsed and exhausting in the warp-rifted crater which was once the Bohemoth fortress. For the rest of his days Eulodius Rex was honored among the Legion, and he served as Sebastokrator of the First Cohort until the year 0.892.402.M34. It is said by those who served under him that in battle, if you looked closely, you could still see the blazing light in his eyes.

>>48122502
>HVT.
I don't know this meme.

>>48122502
>Is this like an Emperors champion kind of deal?
Yeah. It's the God Emperor's version of a chosen of chaos turning into a daemon prince on the battlefield.

>>48122536
High value target, a target that requires comparatively little effort to neutralize/destroy but pays dividends if you do.

>>48122536
>Yeah. It's the God Emperor's version of a chosen of chaos turning into a daemon prince on the battlefield.

Awesome.

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>>48122553
It's essentially a high viewing platform where Alexios and his commanders can see the battlefield and issue orders over Vox. Presumably it has shields and AA guns and stuff.

>>48122606
Im not trying to have a go or anything, every battlefield will have high value targets, because every force has commanders, key weapon systems etc.

Its essentially a command node from the sounds of it. A cool idea truth be told.

Klaus Staffel was a bear of a man, broad, tall, and both heavily muscled and scarred, and where he could he displayed those scars proudly, reminders of mistakes and victories alike an old custom he had picked up from his upbringing, as befitting a noble of prexes he also displayed facial hair, trimmed rather than wild, his features were friendly for lack of a better word, and his eyes were the same green as the plains of the world he called home.

After he and his brothers were scattered he was discovered by a hunstman on the backwards feudal world Prexes I, whose highest technological achievement was the trebuchet. The man brought him back to his family and raised him for a while, in that time Klaus had many brothers, and though he grew up significantly faster than them it left an impression, soon however he was more proficient than his father or any in the village with a longbow, and he became a provider for his family, It was out on one of these hunting trips he came upon a wagon, corpses strewn about it and leather clad men wielding swords encircling it.

Recognizing the plate armored men on the ground as knights in service to his feudal lord Klaus had little doubt as to what he had to do, and he swiftly leapt into action dispatching of the bandits, Impressed by the young mans skills the lord decided to take him on as a squire and he eventually made his way up in the world, all the while having the code of knighthood and its virtues hammered into his head, while most of the other primarch's became kings conquerors or great rulers on their homeplanets Klaus ended his ambitions at the station of marshal to his king.

Though he flung himself into anything he did with enthusiasm and passion he had little wish to become a ruler, much rather preferring to stay behind with his friends and hone his skill with the sword, and his grasp of military tactics and strategy.

My english isnt perfect but what do you think about this as an origin story?

>>48122489
>>48122496
As the guy behind Gengrat, I approve this depiction.

And on the Daemon Prince of the Emperor.

>>48122667
I like it a lot, i'd probably forgo the part about a bow and add in some cliche about him practising with sticks for swords - and having him go from hunting with a bow to him running them down on foot (a precursor to his heritage as a Primarch).

But thats just icing really, the cake is good to go.

>>48122678
Speaking of which, still trying to develop the legion (and his) character.

I'm imagining him as the sort to sneer at the effort put into painting a fresco on a drop pod, or laugh at a notion of honor, for the same reason that both are dreadful impracticalities.

While loyal, he did his job with all expediency, and under chaos he does the same.
As far as he and his legion is concerned, they did not change in turning to chaos. He is there to tear things down, what comes after is for others. Before it was legions like the Angels of Light and the Sky Serpents, now it is the agents of the dark gods, to Gengrat, it hardly matters.
Gengrat and his men revel in the destruction, raised as they were in the ways of the early Ordo Reductor and Ordo Myrmidax.

>>48122742
So I suppose I'm thinking that Gengrat was found fairly early on the world of the Terrodyne Industrial Combine, a world bathed in the light of the Eye of Terror. Say about 40 years into the crusade, long enough for him to be marked by the native culture.
His homeworld was a mist-shrouded waste, inhabited by great beasts, industrial era technology, as if WWI era Europe was taking on Godzilla on a regular basis. A high rate of mutation on the world resulted in a high ab-human population used for menial labor and bait.
I'm thinking it might have been a knight world and Gengrat was tutored by the Sacristans, who themselves were trained in a variation of the Myrmidax doctrines.
Among other things, Gengrat repurposed some of the manifold technology to allow him to control the artillery, but in the process was molded by the machine spirits. He always had them in the back of his mind, feral voices promising joy and blood, and he went with it. As far as he was concerned, the universe was a harsh place and if you wanted to survive, you needed to be just as harsh.
And really, why oppose the machine spirits from the ancient manifold, it does feel good to rend flesh and kill, so why not enjoy it?

His legion had been dour siege specialists before being reunited and he taught them to enjoy their work. He taught them to listen to the voices in the engine manifolds.
In the end, it was these voices that taught them the secrets of the imaterium.

How's that work for y'all?

>>48122808

Sounds cool, run with it.

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>>48122808
>His homeworld was a mist-shrouded waste, inhabited by great beasts, industrial era technology, as if WWI era Europe was taking on Godzilla on a regular basis

Should i add the Knights Exemplar to the roster then?

>>48122842
Added already.

Doing a first contact scene now, will dump when ready.

Klaus had been summoned to appear before the king, it had been a strange day, late last night lights that were not stars had appeared in the skies, this could not be unrelated.

He strode through the capital towards the palace, Uncharacteristic of a man of his station but he had yet to find a horse which could carry him, a blade bigger than any common man was slung over his shoulder and he was clad head to toe in mail, swaying in the wind behind him was a purple cloak displaying his sigil, a simple sword in a silver hue.

And the day got stranger, as he approached the residence of his liege lord he saw men, tall and armored in a way he had never seen before, at their waists hung an assortment of weapons he could recognize, and some he couldn't, and in their hands they held what he could only surmise was some type of crossbow, he stood and looked at them for a moment, they were tall that was for sure, not quite as tall as he but he had rarely met a man of the size these foreign knights were, after giving them a respectful bow he headed inside the courtyard, It smelt of burnt grass and taking up a significant part of it was a metal structure colored much the same as the knights, such heavy presence within the city and even within his kings keep could only bode ill, yet he made his way up the stairs and towards the throne room.

Kneeling for king Dietrich after having approached him, Though he was still the taller man, "we, Or should I be more precise you, have visitors," Klaus looked up and nodded, "I can see that, though I am curious as to where these strange knights come from, none of our neighbors sport armor plating that thick and their appearance is... Outlandish"

A figure revealed himself and over the course of the evening talked to Klaus, a meal was rapidly prepared and after a while the stranger revealed to Klaus who he was, he made him an offer, and Klaus being a sworn knight had no choice but to decline it, stating that the stranger

>>48122852

Got an idea for Primarchs discovery.

Still doing a big write up but proof of concept is something like this.

1. Raydon Neratos lands on some planet, most likely wide open spaces, either a desert or plains.

2. At age 10 gets picked up by a Space Ship crew, either press-ganged, barters his way on, or impresses the crew with [PRIMARCH ATTRIBUTES]

> Still tossing up between space nomads and pirate culture.

3. /Things occur/ over next 10 years and ends up as captain of a vessel

4. Receives prophetic visions (being a low-level psyker much like Corvus or El'jonson)

5. Seeks out the Crusader fleet -- meets the Emperor.

Thoughts?

This seems alright till I noticed the namefag posing as a Primarch in the thread and speaking as the primarch in first person.

Another alt universe doomed from the start due to peerless faggotry.

>>48122813
>>48122828
Thanks
>>48122808
One of the legion's most widely known campaigns was the Valsos Rift Compliance, about 20 years before Ullanor.
The worlds of the Valsos Rift were held by a recalcitrant human culture, mutated far from the genetic baseline by centuries of half-mad experimentation into something barely recognizable as human. The Imperium had been vaguely aware of a void-faring society in the Rift and had sent a rogue trader flotilla to investigate and negotiate. Thus, when the Behemoth Guard fleet dropped out of the warp over the fortress world of Kolgrad, it was with some idea of the enemy they would face.
Well aware of the welcome the Imperial negotiators had received, Gengrat dispensed with the more customary statement of intent and broadcast of a fleetwide oath of moment by approaching the world at full burn and initiating bombardment the moment the fleet was in range.
Detractors of the legion claim this as evidence of an unstable temperament, but the statement that the mutilated bodies of the Iterators made was quite clear. The time for talk was over, and Gengrat was a man of few words.
The skies of Kolgrad blazed as melta torpedoes detonated orbital weapons platforms, even as others fell to boarding parties of the notorious terminator clad Lamashtu, deployed from teleportarium into the midst of the platform's command bridge, or deposited on the outer hull to bore their way inside with melta-torches and chain blades, slaughtering even as compartments were vented to the outer void. The defenders of Kolgrad had been entirely unprepared for the violence of the attack and even as their defenses tried to compensate, even as the Ghidorah Rex, flagship of the legion plowed its way through frigate picket lines deployed to shield the orbital facilities from the legion's wrath.
Even as the orbital battle turned into a slaughter, the orbiting cruisers unleashed their deadly payloads. Kolgrad was virus-bombed in the opening hour of the engagement.

>>48123142
Even as the atmosphere burned, drop pods descended, securing a landing zone for the armor. Encased in their legion plate, the legionaries were proof against the searing, unbreathable toxin fog the atmostphere had become. With the foe reeling from the disproprtionate violence of the assault, customized and void shielded mastodons, decorated with the aspect of a snarling beast thundered across the plains towards fortress walls, now cleansed of life by the life-eater virus. What fire came from the bunkers glanced harmlessly off of void shields. Where bulkheads had been sealed in time, Mastadon prows rammed through metal walls and unleashed the Behemoth Guard breaching teams into their midst to gun down the survivors.
The only significant obstacle on the planet was the central fortress on the planet's southern continent. More a mountain clad in adamantium than anything else, the higher security protocols had protected the occupants from the initial blast and potent void-hardened weapons arrays protected the fortress from an armored assault by land.
For this pinnacle of the Valsos' defensive architecture, the Behemoth himself descended, flanked by his Unspeakable Court.
Gengrat chose the manner of the citadel's fall with the care of an artist, deciding to deploy Ordinatus Hydra and Ordinatus Dagon, screened by an un-ending horde of the IIXth Grand Company's automata. This was as much for the enemy as it was for him, and he decided to enjoy himself.
He lay back in his dark throne and directed the bellicose machine spirits in the legion manifold, a thousand screaming voices all crying out for blood and singing the ecstasy of destruction.
When the outer wall broke beneath the relentless artillery from Hydra and Dagon and a chorus of lesser guns, Gengrat himself lead the armored assault across the no-man's land in his personal transport, Ancalagon.

With Kolgrad in ruins, Gengrat pushed for the next planet.

>>48121054
I've been lurking and thinking on an idea similar to this, and thought, nah they'll never go for it, and went to bed. Woke up and this. Just goes to show, in collab projects, just post shit and see what sticks.

>>48123288
The rest of the campaign was not nearly so swift as it had been on Kolgrad-- with the enemy aware of his willingness to use exterminatus class weaponry, further precautions were taken to ensure that fortifications could survive such a first strike.
None the less, faced with such a foe, many worlds capitulated outright and were brought easily into compliance.

However, many held out, their ruling classes knowing that they would never be accepted into the Imperium. These worlds felt the wrath of the Behemoth Guard as they were cleansed in holy atomic fire. These battles became legendary for their bloodshed, as unnacceptably deviant abhumans were herded onto the battlefield by the Behemoth guard to clear minefields and make feints for thrusts. Whenever the world was of little productive capacity, Gengrat polluted the environment, effectively turning the planetside engagements into a perverse parallel to void warfare.
On other worlds, such as the final battle of Valsos Prime, The Behemoth withheld atomics and the greater alchemical weaponry, opting instead for a conventional siege and armored assault.

>>Thought
What do you guys think of Gengrat having the title Behemoth? Too obvious?
Also, what sort of tank his personal pimp-mobile, Ancalagon should be? I was considering a Stormlord, for the Mastadon level transport capacity, but it strikes me as lacking in siege-level dakka, for which I'm thinking of a Stormhammer.
That or he might just have a Mastadon, but it doesn't seem grandiose enough.

>>48123333
Haha if youve got more ideas throw them out there. Like you say, who knows what will stick

+++Incoming Transmission+++
Attention traitor: your actions are at odds with the will of the primarch Sarco Funerus and the edicts passed down by his father, the Master of Mankind Despite the Will of the Gods. There will be no absolution; the wisdom of ages guides us and we have learned from our mistakes. In the name of the Emperor, let none survive.
+++Transmission Ends+++

>>48123628
Ooh, I like that "Master of Mankind Despite the Will of the Gods". There's going to be a lot of room for interesting Imperial Theology here.

>>48123656
It'd probably be slightly different - at the very least - in each of the crusader states. Which brings to mind a question: does the Dark Imperium have order cultists?

>>48123656

Imperial Theology would be confusing as fuck. No-one knows if the Emperor is truly and permanently dead, is a God of Order, or another Chaos God that has yet to fully manifest. There would be dozens of churches, cults and beliefs all conflicting with one another over the true nature of the Emperor.

>>48123718
>>48123718
Probably, which is pretty cool. The Emperor protects, after all. Every so often you get Legionairies of the Damned.


Also, I'm thinking Xun isn't a mega psyker like Magnus. He's a psyker to be sure, but his sorcerous repute is from his patronage of the Librarius. He can be, though, given that we seem to be lacking a sorceror supreme.

>>48123908
I don't know if we need a sorcerer supreme, and if we do (and you dont want Xun to be it) we can always make up a Ahriman type character.

Also what kind of levels of psyker are there - im not fully caught up on all the books and im not sure where I want to be placing Raydon.

Im thinking low-level just sort of passive precognition with the occassional prophetic visions. Possibly something that makes him hard to sense both his mind and body. Too much?

Is the Enoch anon around by any chance, I want to use his character in a defining moment for the Hawk Primarch. Ill post it here anyway, it would also kinda fit Balthasar but the Daddy issues Enoch has is too good to pass up.

++ TRANSMISSION BEGINS ++

Enoch: Join us Brother, we can give you the freedom you seek. Freedom from Father’s foolishness, freedom to roam wherever you want, freedom! True freedom! Or would you rather be His slave forever?

Raydon: Freedom granted can be taken away, the only true freedom is choice. And I have chosen brother, as have you.

Enoch: You cannot hope to be victorious against us, don’t be foolish – to stand against the Warmaster is to die, you must know this – The Warmaster makes for Terra as we speak. Victory is imminent, mere months away.

Raydon: My Brother, there are two principles that must be adhered to in order to achieve victory; the first is never tell others everything you know.

>Explosions wrack the Judgement Bringer vessel.

++ TRANSMISSION ENDS ++

>>48123941
With Raydon's power, that's definitely plausible, just look at Corax and his ability to vanish. Similarly, Sanguinius and Curze both had prophetic visions, so it would not be too much.

With Xun, I'd been initially imagining him as being driven to understand as a result of developing simple science on his Bronze Age home world and then seeing space ships and basically saying 'holy shit, holy shit, how does this all work'.
So initially, I'd been thinking of him as a major technophile who also naturally tries to understand the warp.
He can totally be a super psyker, but I also don't want to get into sue territory.

Though it does occur to me that we are trying to keep the East disunited and having two very competent and stubborn empire building primarchs with styles just different enough to cause friction works rather well for that, so if Xun is a general empire building sage like a post human Zhuge Liang, that actually works pretty well.

Are we still looking for a sacrificial lamb for the battle of Terra? If so I'd be happy to offer up Sarco.

>>48124326
We made up one, but doesnt mean Sarco can't off-it as well, im currently writing up the Warhawks demise - Im thinking he perishes shortly after the meeting of surviving Primarchs.

>>48124139
Ok, so the idea is this:

Xun Tohilcoatl landed on Tepectitlan, a bronze age world in the midst of an ice-age. Xun was brought to the lord of a kingdom and raised to rule. He became fascinated with the calendrical system and how the stars regulated the seasons.
In trying to understand how better to dig canals and set the planting season to feed his people, his close observation of the stars led him to experiment further with mathematics, already an well developed in his society (ala Mayan and Aztec math).
In improving the bronze age infrastructure of water wheels and the like, he ended up developing basic physics, etc etc. By the time he was found 100 years later, he'd managed to unify most of the planet and advance the infrastructure to a proto-industrial level.
After being rreunited with the legion, he became fascinated by imperial technology and the warp, which he tried to explain using a hybrid of the math of his homeworld and the expertise of the Imperium. (Xun is of the opinion that there are random, meaningless aspects to the universe, and Chaos is chaotic in the scientific sense.)
Anyways, the idea is that he's not quite in line with the Cult Mechanicum, though he probably is very close with the likes of Koriel Zeth, maybe he brings her with him on a campaign or two.
So he's not as tech savvy as The Fists of Mars' Primarch, but he does get a lot of it and is more inclined to experiment, for example, putting volkites on everything.

I'm also thinking that he'd be a good one to have experimenting with Imperial theurgy, trying to figure out how to leverage the power of the Emperor Ascendant against chaos, so I think him being a powerful psyker would work quite well.
The drawback would then be that he's quite polarizing. He's in favor of using sorcery and adamant about the God Emperor, which sets the parts of the mechanicum and the less psyker-friendly groups on edge, as well as ones who are less comfortable with the God Emperor concept.

>>48124552
So the idea is basically someone who's competence causes trouble.
And he'd probably not be too good in a duel. He'd be technically proficient, but he'd end up relying on psychic talent, akin to a cheesy kungfu film's flying monk.
Think that works?

>>48124326
>>48124527
The battle could be the thing that puts Sarco into the Dreadnought?

>>48124617
Sarco was put in the dreadnought during the early years of the great crusade after he stubbornly engaged a xenos titan in a duel.

>>48125093
Hahaha, that is better. I'm kind of imagining a Patches O'Hoolihan in a knight-sarcophagus.

>>48125125
From a cursory Google search, I think Patches is a bit more batshit insane that I imagine Sarco.

>>48125334
>he stubbornly engaged a xenos titan in a duel.

> I think Patches is a bit more batshit insane that I imagine Sarco.

[Does not compute]

>>48125765
I mean, yeah he's crazy , but not hobo crazy. More zealous crazy.

>>48125960
I'm just picturing him standing there as a Phantom Titan bears down on him, yelling something like "Come at me, you pansy!"

It's a good image.

>>48126368
I really need to characterize him further than "more autistically stubborn than Dorn and Manus combined"

>>48126501
Hahahaha, yeah, it happens. I feel like most of the primarchs need a bit of fleshing out. Granted, I've put up a chunk on Xun.
Of course, there's also a whole thing on Gengrat up there that I've not bothered to respond to, so hey.

>>48126501
Might help to answer some quedtions--what's his home world like, why is he so stubborn, etc.

>>48120434
I can easily switch the Hekatonkires to loyalist. that's what I originally envisioned them as anyway.

>>48120422
Don't be silly, Hundred-Handers or Hundred-Handed Ones doesn't sound as cool.

>>48122216
God damn not another fucking loyalist

>>48124326
Faustus stayed behind on Luna to guard and coordinate the escape from Terra via the former Oathsworn fortress monastery.

>>48124118
>"I'll get you next time! RAAYYDOOOOON"
But seriously, this is good. I was thinking Enoch would be the traitor, even into the 41st millennium, who would most want for his brothers to stop fighting and join his side.

Who is the Judgement Bearers primarch?

>>48127634
Judgement. BRINGERS. Brother.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Imperium_asunder#Unconfirmed

>>48127822
Huh. Apparently the Hekatonkires are loyalist now. Was that before or after I said they could be loyalist?

You can totally just plop the Hekatonkires somewhere down in that last bit of space for Ultima Segmentum.

Also, I propose renaming the Eye of Terra to something that isn't a pun.

I'm gonna change the Silver Spears location entry to say that we live in the Warp, but raid realspace.

Is that ok?

Oathsworn anon here, been at work, why are they listed as traitors? Also, it looks like them being the head of Luna and other roles kind of ignored? Do I have to sit here like 24/7 to be included?

Some of the ideas in here are really cool. Can I get a brief overview of the well-defined legions so far?

Also, I was wondering, with the Heresy being followed by a turbulent period of shifting allegiances and changing borders instead of the rapid battening down that occurred in standard 40K, do you guys think there's room for a nomadic faction of displaced archeotects to have slipped through the cracks, so to speak? Peoples from advanced worlds or separatist groups within the Mechanicum, fleeing en masse and using the chaos to escape being brought into line by the Imperium, eventually coming together into a nomad nation. I had the idea that they'd be literal archeotects - i.e. consumed with searching for solutions to mankind's ills in the technology of the past, but would gradually have been grimmed up over time.

>>48128338
It seems like whoever made the page put everyone who wasn't specifically a loyalist in the traitor section, probably for the sake of having an equal amount of traitors and loyalists. I'd propose having a "renegade" or similarly named section to differentiate between the legions that fell to chaos and those that simply left the imperium.
>>48128382
There's a 1d4chan page here: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Imperium_asunder
It should have a good enough summary of each legion to know their themes and motives. As for your other question, I think that it would be nice to have someone writing for things that aren't astartes.

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>>48128382
I can answer about the Storm Hammers:
They're knightly (sorta) Space Marines from a storm and radiation-blasted world crawling with mutation. People live in massive rad-shielded fortress in a feudal system. Think the middles ages mixed with Fallout.

They excel at overwhelming force: deploying in mass as quickly as possible and defeating the foe under a bulldozer of well-armed, well-trained troops supported by a lot of heavy support and firepower. Their main weakness is that they lose efficiency in any prolonged fight. In the shattered Imperium, they rule the Storm Kingdom: a crusading state, itself in a feudal sytem where each planet has very strong autonomy as long as they help supply the constant fighting of the Storm Hammers. In a way, this make them similar to the canonical Imperium in some respect.

Just a note, I'm working on both the Hekatonkires and something else simultaneously, so don't expect anything about the Hk today.

>>48128536
Where should Skorban the Cripple go do you think?

>>48128579
It sounded like he was a loyalist.

>>48128536
I've read the 1d4 page. I'm more looking for stuff like how the Crusader States function, how they treat other factions, etc.

I'll do a bit of brainstorming on a possible archeotect faction.

>>48128540
Thanks for the info.

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>>48128382
I can summarize the Iron Hearts:

>First legion thrown out of the Imperium, before even The Heresy. Their crime was Tech-Heresy.
>Primarch Rubinek refused to forsake and destroy the ancient, unknowable, dark age technology responsible for his and the Legion's namesake bionic Iron Hearts. Only through these miraculous implants was the Primarch able to survive death at the end of his origin story, and he spread the practice throughout the Legion.

>The Emperor's rage was unprecedented and Balthasar the Bloody's Legio I Bloodhounds were dispatched to eradicate this Heresy. By and large this was successful, and the surviving Iron Hearts fled into the Warp with their Primarch on death's door.

>After the full Heresy began in earnest the Iron Hearts and their fleet-based remnants gladly joined the Dark Imperium and set up their only permanent holdings within the dense, star-packed space of the Galactic Core.
>The positioning of the Core near the Great Firewall has lead the Iron Hearts to suffer regular aggression which strained their already low numbers.
>This has only furthered the Legion's obsession with armor, implants, and longevity as every Marine is a precious resource.
>The Apothecaries and Techmarines of the Iron Hearts are one in the same, going by the name of Awakening Priests, their duties being to harvest both the gene seed of fallen Marines and their Iron Hearts. Both are implanted to make a new Marine, and rumor has it the Neophyte is subtly molded by his Heart until the day of his Awakening as a full Marine.

>The Iron Hearts are still mad at the Bloodhounds and consider them ancient enemies.
>The Iron Hearts have unsubstantiated paranoias that the Behemoth Guard and Fists of Mars, also masters of artifice, had a role to play in the Emperor's original Denounciation of the Iron Hearts and their signature technology.

I'm not a prolific writer, so other Legions feel free to throw the Iron Hearts into whatever situation makes sense.
Also WIP

Yes so, checking in. Yes the wiki is currently a bit of a mess. Don't think that because its on the wiki that its set in stone. Yet.
>>48126837
We wanted a primarch to kill off. I'd think it'd be appropriate to have another dead one, even.
>>48128032
There was a poll somewhere and out of like 10 people, 6 said "its a silly name but we like it"
>>48128056
Actual residence in the warp seems impossible, the way that I think of 40k at least. I don't like the idea but that's just my meaningless input, if you feel strongly disregard my shit

Individual links and pages for the legions that have a bit written about them already seems to be in order, especially since we don't want to waste posts reposting whats been said. I'd be on this already but I am useless when it comes to formatting and wiki pages and the like. Everything is still in flux but things are getting hammered out, things can still be moved around, but some things are heavier than others.

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>>48128821
The Undying Scions are experts at planetary defense. Their home systems in the Unyielding Vigil are largely left to govern themselves, though the Scions do give military advisement and collect tithes of aspirants, mortal troopers, and war materiel. As the closest legion to the firewall, they often bear the brunt of any Dark Imperial raids into the crusader states, though their territory is often used to launch counter-crusades.

>>48129439
>We wanted a primarch to kill off. I'd think it'd be appropriate to have another dead one, even.
Engerand is another dead loyalist primarch. His legion is still kicking and strong, however.

>>48129452
I'm having trouble deciding what kind of homeworld Amaranth would be, any ideas?

>>48126501
>>48126540
Is anyone else finding as they write up details about the Primarch they are eerily similiar to other one or more of the canon Primarchs?

The Hawk is coming off as the hybrid baby of Corvus and the Khan.

>>48127477
Awesome, Ill add it to the write up then.

Context being the JB intercept the WH fleet on their way to helping out someone or rather - before they have really declared loyalty as pretty much all of his best-bud Primarchs turned and he was well known for vocally disagreeing with the Big E on several issues.

>>48127879
Sorry, as I said yesterday if I wasn't sure I just dumped people places and said feel free to fix.

I wasn't trying to influence anything just neaten up the joint.

>>48128338
As I said yesterday, in the eyes of the loyalist sons they wouldn't see a neutral party as anything other than turning on them. As with almost all 40k lore I did the page up according to their POV.
>>48128536
> "renegade" or similarly named section to differentiate between the legions that fell to chaos and those that simply left the imperium.

For example in regular canon the Imperials never differentiated.

In saying that, a "Fallen Angels" and "Renegades" might be more appropriate subtitles?


Its also why there is an independent section above. If its causing hassles just change it.

>>48131785
I'm sure plenty overlap with canon Primarchs on some level. Its not that big of a deal.

>>48129439
Faustus is mia, presumed dead depending who asks.

>>48129091
Interested in finding out what he thinks of the Oathsworn who set up the apothecary corps and established training for them. My original thoughts were that all Apoths were Oathsworn like Navy corpsmen in the Marines, but that seems a bit much now.

>>48130158
>>48132250
I missed this, both of this

>>48131970
>Sorry, as I said yesterday if I wasn't sure I just dumped people places and said feel free to fix.
>I wasn't trying to influence anything just neaten up the joint.
Oh well, I always wanted to be loyalist anyway.

I copied a template for legion pages from the Hektor Heresy guys and made an Angels of Light page. Feel free to use it to make your own pages.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Angels_of_Light

>>48132284
Engerand dies later than the Heresy when his stubbornness and impassivity gets the better of him and he dies from injuries which would have crippled an Astartes several times. He is functionally dead. His body is preserved from decay in some tube by the Apothecaries of his Legion to try to keep some genetic samples.

>>48132505
>Impassivity
HOW THE FUCK DID IT AUTOCORRECT TO THIS?! Impulsivity. Not impassivity.

>>48132673
Impulsivity isn't a word. Impulsiveness.

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I'm reading the Age of Darkness anthology and the story about the Alpha Legion is a really good example of the kind of shit I imagine the Eyes of the Warmaster are up to.

>The people of Town 44 on the remote Imperial backwater world Virger-Mos II are thrown into doubt and confusion when it is announced that Horus has slain the Emperor and now rules the galaxy. Mechanic Silas Cincade volunteers to travel to the capital to find out the truth, and meanwhile the people begin carrying weapons and having arguments over the best course of action. Lights in the sky appear to herald the arrival of Astartes, and reports start to come through of armoured figures wiping out towns. Solar farmer Dallon Prael announces his intention to die rather than surrender to Horus's forces and mistakenly shoots dead Silas Cincade as he returns from the capital. As the town falls into violence and anarchy a boy named Leon Kyyter discovers his father's lodger, a remembrancer named Mendacs, sneaking out of the house and follows him to the town's skyhook. Mendacs forces the skyhook's lone astropath to send a message before executing her, and reveals to Leon that he is an Alpha Legion agent tasked with spreading false tidings of Horus's victory who has orchestrated events to make Virger-Mos II fall to the Warmaster without even being invaded. Mendacs departs for his next mission, and unable to stop him Leon watches silently as his planet burns.

>>48132721
Sorry. Second language here. I like to think I am fluent enough yet I still make some mistakes here and there.

>>48132919
Not talking down, friend, just helping.

>>48133019
No its fine, you corrected me. I was just pointing out I can make some mistakes and this computer has a wonky autocorrect when it come to other languages.

I've seen a fair bit mentioned about wars between the Crusader States, and that has caught my interest. Which Crusader State would be the most belligerent towards the others? What would wars between the Crusader States be like?

>>48133172
>What would wars between the Crusader States be like?

"He's a traitor!"
"No he is!"
"The God-Emperor told me he is unholy!"
"The God-Emperor speaks to no one, heretic!"
"HOW DARE YOU DEFAME THE EMPEROR, DIE, HERETIC!"

>>48133241

"He's not a god at all! He's dead!"

>>48133270
>both original guys look at each other
"GET HIM!"

>>48133172
So far, most discussion about the wars was around resources, ancient feuds, border disputes, and philosophies.

"We should launch a crusade, you should come too"
"No, im happy here"
"Coward, in that case you don't need that forgeworld and I do"

>>48133301

That raises a point. The Imperial Truth would remain strong for at least a short time after the Heresy, and doubtless there would be those who would claim that maintaining the Imperial Truth is the best way to honour the Emperor. Plus most Space Marines have never thought of the Emperor as a God, and that's not likely to change. There would be Crusader States that deny the Emperor was anything more than a Man.

>>48133359
Definitely the Kor Protectorate, possibly the Jade Empire, and the First of Mars are like a different sect, worshipping him as the Omnissiah.

Maybe one of the early crusades is a fucked-up catastrophe of infighting, like the 4th crusade in the real world? The Ecclesiastical crusader states declare war on those who hold to the Imperial Truth, and shit gets wild until an armistice is signed.

>>48133359
Given that Primarch and Marines are fallible as any human, it seems logical that over time the Imperial Truth would be changed and twisted to fit the need of whoever is preaching it. So you'd have several competing Imperial 'Truth'.

>>48129091
>>48129452
Most appreciated.

Anyway, here's some stuff I've put together. It's the very beginning of a historical account for this proposed faction. Just seeing what people think so far before I go any further.

(Part 1/2)
The Great Diaspora:

The fall of the Imperium plunged human space into chaos. As word spread of the Emperor’s death and the Warmaster’s ascension to power, the Imperial machine was shaken to its core, individual parts straining against one another in directionless panic. In time, the fist of the Warmaster would secure the worlds of his new Imperium, but for now, disorder reigned. Amidst the death throes of the old order, countless undesirables, malcontents, and condemned saw their chance at freedom delivered to them, and there was a great migration out of Imperial space. Directionless and alone, many thousands of these refugees saw their journeys cut short, or found themselves plunging into dangers greater than any they could have imaged, the galaxy burning around them as Chaos tightened its grip upon what was once Segmentum Solar. For every vessel that was lost, however, ten more sailed on into the great unknown of the void.

>>48133503
(2/2)

It would be many years before the first of these travellers began to gather, banding together to scrape into being something resembling a unified nation. Hereteks and criminals, Mechanicum deserters, terrified refugees, conquered peoples from advanced civilizations like the Interex – slowly but surely, they came together, with little to bind them but a truth that burned like fire in each and every mind. The Emperor had been wrong. His way had ended in a galaxy aflame. His vision had destroyed their homes, torn down their accomplishments, and delivered humanity into the arms of something greater and more vicious than even He. Even in an abject state of exile, lost and adrift amidst the stars, that thought offered a measure of vindication, and from that came the desire – the need – to rebuild. To recover their past greatness, snatched away from them by the Emperor and his Imperium.

How precisely the first Archeotect fleets came into being, or when, is hard to pin down. What can be said for sure is that, by the closing days of M32, there were vessels of the burgeoning order observed moving between the stars with startling regularity. Their mission was one of recovery, at least at first. They picked the galaxy for remnants of days long passed – a time when mankind was altogether greater than it had ever been since. Their efforts were disparate, coordinated only in the vaguest sense, and were it not for a sudden twist of fate on the eve of M33, the Archeotects might have remained a footnote, eventually stamped out by time as much as by any number of eager jackboots.

>>48133503

I think you should reverse the ratio of ships. The Warp goes into absolute overdrive (Think the roughest seas on earth times 1000) and Daemons would swarm everything in the way, with Gellar Fields collapsing under the overwhelming onslaught. The Fall of the Western Imperium is even worse than the Fall of the Eldar, because then only a small fraction of the Galaxy was consumed. Here, almost half the Galaxy falls to Chaos. A good 80% of all ships trying to flee the Western Imperium would vanish forever.

>>48133503
>>48133523

pretty neat

>>48132250
>Interested in finding out what he thinks of the Oathsworn who set up the apothecary corps and established training for them. My original thoughts were that all Apoths were Oathsworn like Navy corpsmen in the Marines, but that seems a bit much now.

If all Apothecaries were Oathsworn I don't mind if the consensus doesn't mind. In the end it has to make some sort of sense, though. Traitor legions might approach this in different ways. I know we have the fabius-bile-ish dude. Since the Iron Hearts' Techmarines and Apothecaries are one in the same, and are as important as Sanguinary priests are to BA or Iron Fathers to Iron Hands, I'd figure they would not be legion outsiders.

>>48133647
That's the hardest part of balancing it. I want them to be essentially Corpsmen in the Marine corps, with the idea is you can fuck with any Oathsworn other than the medics. People don't want to shoot medics officially, but it's a pretty common target on the battlefield. Their Primarch is MIA and their home world is in the core of the Eye of Terra. Since they're fleet based, I imagine them currently to be these nomadic groups that swear Oaths to other legion of support in exchange for supplies and being allowed to perform research. With no higher guidance, they end up being very fractured overall with only Oaths to the legion as a whole and their traditions tying them together. Of course, the loyalists claim they don't work for chaos and the ones that do are heretics and traitors to the legion, or otherwise pretend they don't exist. Very much not like any of the other Loyalists who kept their shit together. A big help would be the fact they don't train outside the legion anything to do with gene-seed, which means people would have to rely on them.


Of course, this is all open to change if people utterly reject the idea.

>>48132250
>My original thoughts were that all Apoths were Oathsworn like Navy corpsmen in the Marines, but that seems a bit much now.
I'm still all for it but I'm pretty openminded.

>>48133763
I think the big question I have is why they work with chaos legions.

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>>48133586
Yeah, I thought that might be the case. I wasn't 100% sure of how rapidly stuff would degenerate. I'll fix it in post, as they say.

Now for the next installment, with some apt art to go with it:

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PHENEX PRIME

The future of the Archeotect Nation was unearthed, without particular ceremony, on a distant world circling the Ghoul Stars – the largest sphere in a system of nine. The discovery made on that barren, airless world would forever change the disparate remnants that flew under the Archeotect banner, and immortalize those heading the mission, both figuratively and literally. The Ghoul Stars had long been the aspiration of many an Archeotect seeking to unearth some great secret of the ancient past, but few could claim to have made it as far as the outer systems, wary of the avenging angels that watched those cold starways. It took a man with nothing to lose – a descendant of the old Mechanicum by the name of Isador Vanth – to brave Storm Hammer territory and eventually land upon the surface of Phenex Prime. By all accounts a star fading far too soon, the captain’s career had been one of disaster, brushes with the fledgling Crusader States having destroyed much of his parent fleet and cost him the greater part of his crew. Whether he himself was strong of character or command is not documented, and matters little, for he returned from Phenex Prime with the blood of kings in his veins.

Amidst the dust of an ancient kingdom, Vanth and his fellows discovered a technology long lost to the varying empires of mankind. A strange, viscous substance of oily composition, black as pitch and strangely soft to the touch, it was soon found to be a mesh of tiny machines, so small that the mind could barely comprehend the nature of their construction.

>>48133474
>>48133452
Hmmm. Given the Sky Serpents interest in warp matters and tendency to experiment, they might be fairly quick to go for the divinity of the Emperor, as the most logical explanation for things like the Firewall.

>>48134552
Well, they're not a united legion. Plenty fell to chaos given how they fuck with biology like mad scientists, especially later on when Luna fell into the eye of Terra. As gor why the loyalist Oathsworn work with Chaos ones, I would state it eould be because of their Oaths to gather knowledge or some such. Or hell, maybe they don't and they accuse the other of being traitors all DA and the fallen style.

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>>48134601
>(2/2)

Driven to a frenzy by the nature of their discovery, the Archeotect crew remained on Phenex Prime for nearing ten years, relentlessly immersed in their studies. It was found (mostly by accident) that the substance could effortlessly assimilate itself into biological tissue, and could be programmed to reconstruct its host in ways unheard of – if provided with the appropriate materials to work with. This was a crude process at first, the crew’s understanding severely limited by the tools at hand and the sheer complexity of these tiny mechanisms, but in time, this technology would come to form the backbone of the Archeotect Nation.

Vanth and his crew returned from their long sojourn beneath the pale light of the Ghoul Stars as more than mere men and women, and they brought their discovery to every Archeotect fleet they could find a way to communicate with. This would eventually lead to the birth of House Vanth, the first of the Apotheotect Lineages, and the formation of the Archeotect Nation as they exist today.

>>48134601
>>48134635
tl;dr: HA HA, TIME FOR BODY HORROR

What are the various xenos races doing in this continuity? I can imagine that Ork behavior hasn't changed much and the Eldar are as perfidious as ever, but what about the Tau and the Necrons?

>>48134725
Tau wouldnt get a chance to develop at all given the density of Astartes in the east and the fight for resources.

Necrons as ever are starting to wake up I guess, being a thorn in the side of both the dark imperium and crusader states.

I imagine those who have encountered them are keen to apply their technology for their own means.

If the Hawks encountered them they would want to utilise their non-warp-reliant drives to move around for example.

Whereas maybe the undying scions might want to recreate living metal for the use on their dreads.

>>48134725
Oathsworn are among the hardest FUCK XENOS faction

>>48134725
Storm Hammers would be in a constant state of war with Xeno. Smaller empires are likely to get exterminated outright. Orks are orks and can never be rid of, so the Storm Hammers have come to accept them as a part of life. Plus this constant fighting inside their border help to 'keep them sharp'.

>>48134837
Would characters like Ghazgkull or Trazyn still be around?

>>48135141
Trazyn surely.

>>48135156
>>48135141

I don't see why not? Trazyn should be for sure.

>>48134725
>>48134837
Tau could have developed but spread further 'northeast' rather than downward into Imperium Minorum territory. I imagine they'd have good relations with the Kor guys.

>>48135296
>Not purging the xenos on sight

>>48135323
That's what I said!

>>48134837
>>48135296
I've said before the the Protectorate actively encourages Tau to settle in their territory, and treats them as citizens if they do so.

>>48135323
Well, they were in their warpstorm thing until they had some development done, weren't they?

My grasp of Tau fluff is honestly not super solid.

>>48135405
I can't really see the Ethereals liking that since it takes the settlers out of their control.

>>48135405
Guaranteed to bite them in the ass later.

>>48135446
They wouldn't really lose control, seeing as the Protectorate is friendly towards the Tau and would definitely allow Ethereals to continue to be in charge of the Tau settlers (if the settlers themselves allow it).

In contested space in Segmentum Tempestus and past the firewall, the Undying Scions maintain hidden watch posts to monitor for signs of Dark Imperial crusades.

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>(1/2)

THE APOTHEOTECT LINEAGES

In time, the spoils of Phenex Prime would come to be known simply as the vitae – a fitting name for the lifeblood of a people. At first, its use was not embraced universally. Though few would disagree now, given the vitae’s ability to bond itself to human biology so seamlessly, many doubted that the substance was human in origin. Vanth and his supporters preached that it was humanity’s forgotten gateway into glory – that it was their responsibility not simply to brighten mankind’s understanding, but to find their perfect forms. The early days of this debate were tense, but civil, both parties united in mutual desire to see humanity restored to its past greatness. As time went on, however, rifts in doctrine deepened, and, not six decades after Vanth’s return from Phenex Prime, the Archeotect fleets were stricken by their first true civil war.

To the galaxy at large, it was a conflict that may as well have not existed, a war fought between the toes of giants. To the Archeotects, it was almost a four centuries of bitter, sustained bloodshed, fleet against fleet, kin against kin. Soon, the reluctance of the Vanthians morphed into an almost religious fervour, their leaders likening their war to the purifying fires of a great crucible, metamorphosing the Archeotect Nation into its truer, brighter form. With their knowledge and prowess expanding at an unnatural rate due to their continually more adept grasp upon the vitae and its secrets, the Vanthians eventually drove their old brothers in arms from before them, swearing those they spared to their side and hurling to the void all those who were adamant in their refusal of Vanth’s great gift to mankind.

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>>48135638
(2/2)

In the wake of this great metamorphosis, the nine Great Houses were established from the largest of the surviving fleets, House Vanth at their fore. Their admirals took on the title and responsibility of Apotheotect, directing their House’s search for perfection. Isador Vanth lives to this day, changed beyond all recognition by the vitae that flows through his veins, a being more adamantium than flesh and more machine than man.

The Archeotect Nation continues its ancient mission, scrounging the galaxy for the barest hint of ancient technology, searching with a tireless, cold determination characteristic of the very machines they seek to save mankind with. Their society is a fractious one in demeanor, but united in cause, driven by the pursuit of progress - a pursuit that has become more and more callous and obsessive with time, the Archeotects having learned long ago that they cannot afford to be soft if they are to force the galaxy into the great future it so sorely deserves. They must be cold, and pure, and without scruple, untouched by fear of the future or dread of the past. There is no place in the coming days for the frail hearts of mortal men.

>>48135560
Ah. That'll curb a lot of the tension then but there'll still be a number of tau that slip through the pheromone control of the ethereals--assuming that is actually a thing.

>>48134601
Greetings cyborg friends! A pity you're on almost the opposite side of the galaxy. The Collective would have much to share with you. With that in light i should probably repost the revised history.

>>48135604
The Undying Scions would likely notice that the Dark Imperium's forces with in the contested region are being continually resupplied by enigmatic fleets.

>>48135296
What I meant was, if the Eastern Imperium is being habitated from the 30k mark then the population density would have sky rocketed compared to traditional canon.

By 34-36 the Tau homeworld would have almost certainly already been colonised by a Crusader state (I think the Imperium Minoris had claimed the Tau area?)

Of the human polities the Imperium had encountered few could be said to have weathered the Age of Strife quite as well as the Extropian Collective. Like many other worlds they suffered greatly at the hands of unchecked psykers but only upon the worlds that lay within the borders. Most of the population dwelt in great space colonies and they survived thanks to the strict protocols and regulations that had been in put in place eons ago to mitigate the dangers of living in space. Cybernetics became their answer to the danger of a psyker; at first it was a simple implant that monitored brainwave activity but they became increasingly complex as their scientists managed to map the mind through machines.

Their little empire had never been very big, it consisted of only a few dozen stars in a close cluster around the Ahzhava Pulsar in the galactic south. This close proximity made it easy for them to skim the warp to avoid the worst of its dangers allowing for them to quickly recover what had been lost. In the centuries that followed the Collective would see little reason to look outside its borders as they wanted for little. The only thing they lacked was an outlet for the outward-looking malcontents.

By the time that problem was starting to heat up providence provided a solution: the Imperium came knocking on their door. It became overwhelmingly evident to the crusading fleet that the disparity in technology was vast. While it was true the Imperium had a decided population advantage it was painfully obvious that any victory would be pyrrhic at best unless they fought a campaign of total destruction that would reward them with nothing. Fortunately though the opening diplomatic salvos were fruitful. The Extropians had little issue contributing to the great crusade--it would after all give an outlet for the growing sector of malcontents beset with a bad case of wanderlust and yearning for adventure. Everything was looking good until the Adeptus Mechanicus stepped in.

>>48135753

The Extropian Collective could only view the Mechanicus with utter disgust. To their standards the Adeptus Mechanicus were a primitive cargo cult utterly divorced from reason and scientific principles. To the Mechanicus the Extropians were a very real danger of upsetting their monopoly on all matters technical; the Extropians had to brought to heel in their view.

Some of the Adeptus Administratum felt otherwise. Few wanted to outright strip the Cult Mechanicus of its role but having a counter balance to them would be desired if only because it would make it possible to get leverage on them. With the Emperor's blessings the Administratum made sure the talks would continue if slowly since the Extropians were otherwise agreeable.

In light of the fact that permanent solution was no where to be found the Imperial diplomats in charge of the negotiations found a temporary work around, one which the Extropians found agreeable. The Collective would be contracted to supply and fight on behalf of the Imperium of Man while remaining otherwise independent. Though Mars found this temporary allegiance to be irksome it wasn't as if it put them out of their job. Besides, once the great crusade was over the Imperium would most certainly have the forces to simply make the Collective comply.

Little did they know this would give the Collective all the time they would need to make the Zhaveidan Project; their own answer to the Astartes in the form networked cyborg super soldiers with each individual capable of controlling a host of robotic drones.


>>48135738
Then we simply move the Tau homeworlds.

>>48135766
If everyone wants to include the Tau im not against it, I was just pointing out to be internally consistent something would need to change.

>>48135638
>>48135683
...I think you've created something that the Protectorate would actually ban from their space. I love it.

>>48135719
>>48135738
>>48135766
Look at the map, guys. Tau'n is untouched, therefore the Tau themselves are fine. What's changed is their expansion. With the no doubt hostile Imperium Minoris to the galactic South, they'd have to go North towards the Protectorate, Jade Empire and Exodite worlds.

>>48135820
*Tau and Tau'n are untouched

>>48135811
Make them beaten slaves, who are fed a bunch of bull by the chaos imperium that everything they do is for the greater good, and there situation is as best as it could be

Because fuck the tau

>>48135820
I had imagined those borders on the map to be a guideline of what the forces could actively protect and hold. With everything outside being more like borderlands.

I mean half the reason we have crusader states warring is the scavenging of resources - that and political/religious philosophy

In any case, popular opinion will shape the canon.

>>48135811
I agree. I think while the tau might still exist, they'll find the area around them way more crowded.

>>48135917
I've been under the impression that the lines represent the are in which the Factions operate. Raids and such can be conducted past those, and any large military action (like a Crusade into the Dark Imperium) would take a Hell of a lot of resources, and wouldn't be a regular occurrence. The Galaxy is a much scarier place than canon, so venturing out of your borders is not something that you'd do often.

>>48135820
I mean I drew those borders as a rough guideline to provide a potential space for the tau if we chose to have them, but I think that warp storms aside, the borders of the states would be in contact.

And also, I don't quite get how the Protectorate would be neutral after 10,000 years.

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Tau space intersects borders Imperium Minorum, but to their backs in >>48120294 map they have lands which aren't claimed by any one Legio crusader state. I assume those lands are more pan-imperial worlds which the crusaders occasionally bicker over.

Maybe in m41 the Tau are just barely holding out against the crusaders? Many of their worlds have been taken, and they will inevitably lose, but they put up a hell of a fight. Bikemarines vs Tau could be real fukken neato

>>48135719
Oh, interesting, I was wondering what the Extropian Collective was. I've only seen the note in the wiki.

>>48135820
Thanks dude. I'm trying to go for an almost opposite-Imperium feel with this. Where the Imperium is about the ills of ignorance and bureaucracy and stagnation, these guys are about the death march of progress. I think it was Derrida who said the Holocaust was the natural conclusion of objective, clinical thinking - that's what I'm shooting for.

By the way, if anyone has any input or whatever, feel free. Even if you just think the whole idea is retarded and dumb. It's good to know that stuff.

>>48136013
What's not to get? The Protectorate doesn't care about the Crusades, the Dark Imperium, or any other (in their opinion) pointless wars. They care about the people of the Galaxy, and both sides have done their fair share of terrible things to those people. The actual Legion doesn't leave the Protectorate very often, only the Errant Paladins do, and they don't the Errant Paladins fight against anyone that harms innocents. Remember, Anders and the Paladins of Kor are stubborn idealists. You can show them the horrors of Chaos, but they'll say the Loyalists are just as bad in their own way. These guys are neutral to the point of stupidity because they think it's that'll save the most lives.

Also if you look at the OP's map, I think there should be another traitor marine state south of the Dark Imperium and north of "Contested Territory" where the Tempestus Gap opens. If the whole point of chaos marches is to shield the Imperial worlds from the realities of war 1984-style, there would definitely be shielding him from the biggest warzone, doncha think?

Who makes sense as the vanguard of the traitor legions?

>>48136107
I figure that after 10,000 years you'd have some chaos incursions popping up and in stopping such problems, they'd end up resorting to similar tactics to the Imperium.
For a shorter period, I can totally see them being neutral to the point of stupidity, but they've got to have something that keeps daemon cults at bay.

>>48135766
>Then we simply move the Tau homeworlds.

>>48135811
>I was just pointing out to be internally consistent something would need to change.

I disagree. Nothing needs to change. The Tau spring up, expand and take worlds the Crusaders were failing to hold, and then get pushed back to their inevitable doom. The conquest or re-conquest of an empire takes time, even in 40k. Especially in 40k.

I was under the impression that that map was the states as they are in 40k, after 10,000 years of conquests and crusades.

>>48136221
Chaos allies, of course. Neutrality means the Protectorate allows *anyone* to live there, so long as they obey the law. If there's a daemon incursion/malicious cult, the either the Paladins get sent or another solution is found. This solution can be anything from the local law-enforcement contracting a Witch or Warlock to stop it to the local Defense Force moving in. Sure, allowing Chaos worship might create a lot of problems, but they're people too.

I say not have Tau..

Okay, since the Hekatonkires aren't traitor anymore the tension between them and their primarch isn't as great, so the two mostly agree to disagree.

>Hekatonkires
"Forward! They can only kill us!"

The Hekatonkires are the mighty legion of Samson the Matador, their father in blood but not in mind. At their heart they are hiveworlders, gangs and brothers in the street; their bonds are strong and resistant to authority. Only the Chthonic teachings of Briareos and Kottos, and the trials of Chaos, have held them beholden to the Imperium Eternal. Their primarch, however, upholds his own sense of honor, and fights for the Emperor's legacy in his hunt for the traitors and the mutant Cyclopeans who now plague the Galaxy. In great battle tanks and war machines the Hekatonkires wage armored warfare, unconcerned for their own demise and certain in their dooms.

>>48136307
Does that mean the Protectorate allows the open worship of the Chaos Gods?

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Here's a Tau thing

The XIIth Crusade:

Alexios the White and Anders Kor butt heads over what comes to be referred to as "The Tau Problem." In the northern reaches of Imperium Minorum space, on worlds the Astartes determined were barely worth putting people on, a technologiaclly upraised race suddenly conquered itself an empire. The Tau placed colonists on many uninhabited worlds which the angels nonetheless considered their own territory. The Angels mustered for crusade against the xenos to reclaim what was theirs.

The Paladins of Kor, on the far side of Tau space, had other ideas. In Kor's estimation, Tau space was a bright example of what the protectorate could be. The people flourished in Tau space where everywhere else they hid in hovel holes. It was Anders Kor's desire to bring these errant xenos into the protectorate itself.

Diplomatic summits and referendums between the two Primarchs took decades, with tension rising every day. A bitter proxy war develops between the protectorate's tau puppet and "independant" imperial colonies.

Soon enough, however, the proxy war turns to full-scale war between the Astartes. The XIIth crusade was, prophetically, twelve years of bitter bloodshed between brothers.

>>48136307
>Sure, allowing Chaos worship might create a lot of problems, but they're people too.
I don't want to live in this galaxy anymore.

>>48136385
Technically, yes. But being so far away from the Dark Imperium it wouldn't be very common. Plus, telling the other Crusader states "oh yeah, Chaos is perfectly alright!" isn't something Anders would do. It wouldn't be hidden, but it wouldn't be advertised either.

>>48136411
TYRANIDS, HOLY SHIT WHAT ABOUT TYRANIDS

>>48136397
And then the Hekatonkires come in and kill all the xenos.

>>48136385
Daemonic chaos cults sort of break the law incidentally. Kidnapping and murdering people to turn them into warpflesh monstrosities is pretty illegal I imagine. But if you just wear a Tzeentch necklace and go on to celebrations of the conjunctions of stars or something, I bet the protectorate would be cool with it.

>>48136425
>TYRANIDS, HOLY SHIT WHAT ABOUT TYRANIDS
They'll come and clean up this degenerate rabble.

>Technically, yes. But being so far away from the Dark Imperium it wouldn't be very common
This is exactly why the Kor Protectorate shouldn't exist into the 41st Millennium.

>>48136447
I bet they would be cool with necrophilia too.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Imperium_asunder#Legions

If you click on the name of your legion, it will take you to an edit page where you can post summaries and stuff about your legion. Please do so if you can, it's helpful to others and new anons.

>>48136448
Sure they would. Look at who borders them

>>48136397
I like this.

>>48136447
This is exactly what I meant.

>>48136473
Nope.

>>48136496
>Look at who borders them
This could make for good irony if you want. The Paladins of Kor risk their lifes to defend the xenos tau, and then tyranids come from space and gobble up all the paladins. Lots of opportunity for grimdark tragedy.

>>48136496
>Sure they would. Look at who borders them
Loyal servants of the Imperium who would not stand for this heresy presumably.

>>48136425
>But being so far away from the Dark Imperium it wouldn't be very common.

The whispers of Chaos are everywhere.

>It wouldn't be hidden, but it wouldn't be advertised either.

Sounds like fun, although I imagine it would have to be hidden somehow, if the Crusader States found out it would be impossible to ignore - a new foothold for Chaos on the Eastern side of the Firewall.

That is too great of a threat in all honesty. I can't imagine a better reason to unite.

>>48136447
Yeah I don't imagine they would actively support Chaos, but its insidious by nature. It corrupts everything it touches.

How long before people willingly sacrifice themselves on altars? How long before the people united under their worship of the chaos gods WANT to establish their own system of governance and exile the very astartes who protect them?

What does the protectorate do now? fight the people they are trying to protect or leave willingly, the people have voted after all.

Do they break with their own values and enforce their dominion onto others or do they flee before the angry mobs who want freedom from what they claim is Astartes tyranny?

>>48136560
Sounds like Kor is the Hero they deserve, but not the one they want.

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I'm working on transcribing some things into the wiki that I'd thought I'd share here. The new stuff is:
+Enoch was the 11th primarch discovered.
+The Judgement Bringers were a fleet-based legion during the crusade, but after the Emperor's death they establish Terra as somewhat of a homeworld
+The name of Enoch's flagship: Inheritance
+Some organizational stuff. Force commanders would be Judicators and there is one Grand Judicator who is second only to the Primarch. Around 10% of the Judgement Bringers also comprise of a chapter called Death Bringers, who are promoted from the most elite and most terrifying brothers of the legion. The DB have their own ranks of Executioner and Grand Executioner. Companies of the DB commonly operate largely independent of the rest of the legion, and the Grand Executioner answers only to the primarch. Over time the DB are something like the SS or Gestapo, acting as the terrifying secret police to the warmaster when a blunt instrument is needed.

>>48136560
>How long before people willingly sacrifice themselves on altars? How long before the people united under their worship of the chaos gods WANT to establish their own system of governance and exile the very astartes who protect them?

The Space marines who rule them invade their worlds and kill them all, duh. It's a state ruled by Astartes. When rebellions come, and you bet your ass they will with regularity in all the galaxy, the Astartes fuck everyone up until the rebellion ends. That's how 40k works.

>>48136558
The Imperium died and was resurrected as a Chaos Big-Brother Empire.

>>48136560
Good thing you'll be too busy fighting actual Chaos.

>>48136623
>but after the Emperor's death they establish Terra as somewhat of a homeworld
Terra is a warp-twisted daemonic throneworld at the heart of a second eye of terror. If your dudes set up their home there they must be pretty fuckin hardcore.

>>48135766

The Zhaveidan Project likewise had an analogue to the Primarchs of the Astartes whose mind would serve as the centralized command node of all data streaming through the network. In the Ahzhavan tongue they were refered to as "hazarmarth" but were called "cyberarchs" in Imperial parlance. Given the time constraints the cyberarchs were made rather than born, though they Collective did plan to eventually raise later generations of cyberarchs as the initial generation had to be drawn from sectors of their society that had long since been at odds with the central government.

They didn't really have a choice, they were the only ones with the skills required to prosecute a war on behalf of the Imperium and the only ones with the desire to even do so. Most everyone else of comparable skill greatly desired to retain their normal life within the Collective. Only four individuals with maximum compatibility managed to make it through the grueling tests, though of those four only a single one would come out the other side of the extensive augmentation process with his mind both intact and capable of adapting to the host of the integrated systems.

This individual was Brokha Zhanamhe, a young man of no more than twenty two who had already made a name for himself as being the captain of a band of "space pirates" that routinely violated border security, leader the a band of hackers, and a rising star within the dissatisfied, delinquent sectors of society. He wasn't supposed to be aware of the tests but the authorities didn't realize it was him until after it he was the only true success of the program. Reluctantly they initialized him as the core of the zhaveidan though only after re-purposing the other two survivors - who were unable to operate remote systems but could function virtually just fine - as sub-nodes in his systems to act as his advisors. They hoped they would act as his supervisors too while he was working with the Imperials.

>>48136632
>The Imperium died and was resurrected as a Chaos Big-Brother Empire.
Courtesy of Chaos. Guess who's next on the list? Not the loyal crusader states who don't let cult worship degrade their societies!

The Kor Protectorate. They're next.

>Good thing you'll be too busy fighting actual Chaos.
We'll be fighting you if you want to become actual Chaos.

>>48136629
The point being that if the Paladins enforce their authority against the people (cultists as they may be) they become as bad as the Crusader states.

I mean, im happy with that 40k is all about hypocrisy - just pointing it out, it would be a sham-state, all glowy on the outside but really just as dark as everywhere else.

Ironically trying to hide their darkness beneath the surface as to not have everyone turn on them in a tide of astartes hate-rape.

>>48136686
This guy gets it, the Kor Protectorate would be ACTUAL CHAOS.

Except without the Firewall. The States would have to unite to crush them if knowledge of them allowing chaos worship got out.

I'll make a wiki page for the Storm Hammers but I am too tired to complete it tonight plus I've got to prep for the game I run tomorrow.

>>48136686
Uh huh, great, I've stated several times that the Protectorate is neutral. Not Chaos.

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More Archeotects stuff. And I guess I should start namefagging.

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HOLDINGS

It is a common misconception that the entirety of the Archeotect Nation is nomadic, housed entirely aboard the ships of their vast fleets. In truth, while the Archeotects make no claims to territory, they choose to settle between the lines of the map, so to speak. Millennia of tireless excavation have blessed the vessels of the Archeotects with far more precise Warp drives and a more complete image of the galaxy than that known to the Crusader States or the Dark Imperium. Worlds long ago lost to the Imperium are inhabited once again by their new tenants, though they are seen as little more than staging grounds for the great archaeology. These holdouts are scattered throughout much of the galaxy. Notably, the no-man’s-land between Crusader States, at the centre of the Ultima Segmentum, is host to a string of Archeotect-colonized sectors, as is the area spinwards of the Tempestus Gap, and the gulf nestled between the Storm Kingdom and the Exodite Worlds of the eastern fringe.
Though well-fortified, and hidden from prying eyes by simple means of obscurity, these worlds are not considered the heartlands of any self-respecting Archeotect. The idea of sacred ground means little to a people cast through space for a thousand years, and most of these worlds are purely tactical or industrial in nature – either that, or they are host to an ongoing excavation, projects that can stretch for centuries at a time. The majority of the Archeotect Nation is scattered aboard its fleets, immersed in the ongoing search for apotheosis through technology. In its earliest days, the Archeotect fleet was composed primarily of disparate warships of the old Imperium or ragged civilian vessels. Over ten thousand years later, the Nine Houses of the Archeotect Nation (and their many, many satellite estates) command legions of specialized vessels, each one equipped with the fruits of their constant search.

>>48136732
Well considering that a lot of things chaos does would be consider crimes in the Protectorate it's not like they can't police them.

There's a line between worshipping the gods and sacrificing the neighbors to them.

>>48136658
Yeah they'd have their base there in keeping ties close with the warmaster, but Enoch would spend most of his time on his flagship in more stable space. His distaste for all things psyker and warpy would persist into the 41st millennium.

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>>48136736

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Vast colony-ships drift through the void, surrounded by shoals of smaller vessels. With their small populations in mind, the Archeotects have approached void combat with an eye to durability and versatility. Their ships are, on average, slower at full acceleration than most Imperial warships, but are heavily armoured and equipped with flickering manoeuvring fins, allowing them to turn with shocking speed, bringing their heaviest weapon batteries to bear. In general, Archeotects dislike projectile weapons, preferring heavy lance-type weapons for their shorter travel time, longer effective range, and penetrative capability. Archeotect ships are generally armed with powerful batteries of linked particle lances, with the aim of inflicting crippling damage at vast distances.

As a rule, the Archeotects are not prone to expansionism. They have little desire to capture and hold ground, and no true dreams of empire. However, there may come a time when they require a populated planet’s resources, or have reason to believe it a promising excavation site. In many instances, the resulting action can look a great deal like invasion. Most Archeotect fleets will attempt different approaches – there is an almost pathological desire, deeply rooted into Archeotect culture, to appear ‘better’ than the hated Imperium of old – but, when push comes to shove, few are unwilling to quell a resistant population. Entire worlds have been displaced, destroyed, or subjected to neural reformatting to this end.

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>>48136732
>Allows Chaos
>Neutral

>>48136725
>The States would have to unite to crush them if knowledge of them allowing chaos worship got out.
Allowing something on your worlds and doing it yourself are different things. The Protectorate allows heathen faiths of any kind, not just chaos. They are heathens, but they are still my brothers, and they did not take part in the killing of the God Emperor, Beloved by All. The Angels would have wary armistice with the protectorate. Just keep your heathen filth across my border.

>>48136732
What people are saying is that chaos corrupts.

If you allow it in, you will BECOME chaos - thats how it works. So you would need a proto-Inquisition to stop cultists from practising. But in order to do that, you'd need to buckle on the "people are people no matter their blasphemy".

Or some other method of preventing chaos from corrupting the fuck out of both your peoples AND your astartes.


So the obvious options are:
> A
Secret group to prevent the worship of chaos
> B
Secret group that prevents others finding out people you own are worshipping chaos
> C
Have everyone think you are chaos even if you arent, in which case they unite against you because you suddenly became a massive threat
> D
Other

>>48136794
These degenerates are not MY brothers.

>>48136732

Neutrality is not a concept that really works in 40k. Neutrality means 'Everyone hates you and wants to kill you'. The protectorate would have to fight both the Dark Imperium and the Crusader States.

>>48136800

This.

The Dark Imperium would leap at the chance of corrupting the Protectorate from within, and actively foster Chaos Cults, raid them relentlessly and erode the protectorate until it finally falls apart.

>>48136842
Isn't the Firewall in the way?

>>48136794
Allowing someone to murder is not so different to doing it yourself.

I like the idea of this being a point of contestation among the Crusader states though. Some who let them practice their "love all regardless" policy and the others who want to eradicate the threat on their border.

>>48136800
The obvious solution is for us to figure out what Other is, so we can get back to world building. Because the first 2 compromise Anders moral paradise. (although that fits in 40k really)

>>48136823
And thats not really a fight they can hope win. Especially with Chaos wrecking them from the inside as well.

>>48136800
The Crusader States all have different sects regarding the Imperial Truth. The Ecclesiarchy exists, but it has no unifying authority and is more focused on the management of the astropathica. Even among the crusader states who worship the emperor, there is a great deal of disagreement.

To the Crusader states, EVERY other crusader state is full of heathens. They all distrust and fear each other but they don't unify against each other because they don't trust each other enough to be allies. Only with great political capital and diplomatic skill can one legion or another gather up enough hatred for the enemy to "unify" them for a crusade.

>>48136849

Anything West of the Firewall save Tempestus is Chaos Turf. They'd have fallen long ago were they located there.

>>48136858
Its not about heathens though, I understand the link between religion and chaos worship but there is a very important link.

In the one instant, tribes on Fenris worship wolf spirits and shit - nothing happens. (unless they are a psyker)

In the other, cultists hear the voices of demons who instruct them in ways to create portals to the warp.

The first people can ignore and are a minor threat. The second are a legitimate and serious threat to the entire universe.

>>48136924
Interesting notion, I had the Warhawks over there sustaining their purity through hate (much like the Black Templars)

>>48136924
The Kor Protectorate is in the east though.

>>48136849
Indeed, but there plenty enough lulls in the wall that give people enough time to build up the capital necessary for the Crusade states to band together as described here >>48136858


Not only that, but there are forces coming from the Maelstrom predictably and other places that the warp raids from. In actual 40k Chaos attacks all the time, not just from Black Crusades or the Eye of Terror.

>>48136849
The Eyes of the Emperor don't travel in fuckhuge "LOOK AT ME" fleets. They send spies and agents. A sneaky ship can make it through tempestus into the protectorate.

>>48136953
Ah right. Well that's what you get for not having everyone in a linked neural network.

>>48136939
>Interesting notion, I had the Warhawks over there sustaining their purity through hate (much like the Black Templars)

Crusading, certainly. But living there is akin to living in the Eye of Terror. Last time Space Marines tried that, the bulk of them were corrupted. The Warhawks would basically cruise through the Chaos marches, joining in the endless back and forth wars there and occasionally launching strikes against the fringes of the Warmaster's own domain.

>>48136858
>They all distrust and fear each other but they don't unify against each other because they don't trust each other enough to be allies.
I'm definitely not objecting to this, but I wonder why the other legions might make war against the Undying Scions.

>>48136994
Yeah so the idea was that the Legion operates within the Chaos Marches and Dark Imperium, surviving off the pillage of the traitor worlds.

Returning to the East only to refit and resupply, maybe take in new recruits and to celebrate victories with the legion reassembled.

But 90% of their time is spent taking the fight to the traitors.

Just a note, as part of the Hekatonkires I'm having a few warbands of Chaos Space Marines called the Cyclopeans torment the Eastern Imperium. So nobody is safe from Chaos, not even the Hekatonkires.

>>48137037

Given the Chaos Marches is the purest definition of the term 'Anarchy', they could easily make war there and most would have no idea they are loyal at all. They'd just be another bunch of Transhuman Supersoldiers come to kill, enslave, burn and destroy, no different to the thousand other Warbands doing the exact same thing.

>>48137111
>kill, enslave, burn and destroy

the killing, burning, destroying. but enslaving those sworn to chaos is pointless - the corruption will only spread

>>48137162

The poor saps on the ground won't know that.

>>48137175
>The poor saps

>traitor scum

Pick one and choose wisely *watches for heresy*

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>>48136658
Actually, this is worth expanding on. Just how demonic is Terra? Because I was thinking of it like Terra as it is now, but way more evil, way darker, with twisted spires and maybe demons popping in and out of existence. A hellish place, but ya know there's still people there. It still looks like Terra. Now, if we were going full on demon-world, total demon hellscape, that would change things

>>48137198
I'd think that it would be an important symbol of the Warmaster's victory - so if he had any say in the matter he'd keep it relatively intact.

>>48137192

Of all the people in the West, those in the Chaos Marches are some of the most pitiful. Given that who rules them can change in an instant, there's no stability anywhere. One year you might be forced to Worship Nurgle, and next year another Warband has moved in and it's Slaanesh time, if you aren't just killed outright or enslaved as a filthy Nurgle worshipper. And so you can't even rely on the Gods to help you.

>>48137198

It's at the heart of a Warpstorm. The planet is actually inside the Warp. It's going to be absolutely crazy. Gravity might not even work there, the Gods might have entire chunks of the Planet they've reshaped to be their own (So say North America is Khorne's home and is an endless field of lava, burning blood, brimstone and shit).

>>48137222
To be clear, the Hawks hunt traitor forces - they would only attack actual holdings if it achieved some greater outcome in their Hunt or was a raid for supplies.

They are pirates, nomads, holding territory (especially there) has no purpose for them. They are fuelled by hate, protected by it, driven by it. They seek not wealth, nor power, only vengeance.

>>48137198
It's definitely a daemon world. However, I imagine it's what you might picture when you hear daemon world.

If you've played Oblivion, there's a realm of madness which is divided into two realms: Mania and Dementia. The Warmaster's Terra would be demented rather than manic. A Gehenna-like place where there everything is grim and dark. If you stood on its surface, all emotion, all joy and hope, would be surpressed away in favor of an oppressive and omnipresent sense of dread. The hives would be gargoyle-covered twisted monstrosities populated as much by daemons as by "humans."

A Daemon world is more like a planar expression of an idea than a place. And this daemon world's idea would be grimdarkness.

>>48137262

Nothing they do would ever achieve any real harm against the Dark Imperium. They can kill billions, burn Chaos Fleets and ravage Chaos Worlds, but all it would be is a flea on the back of an Elephant.

>>48137279
>However, I imagine it's what you might picture when you hear daemon world.

The omitted "not" here REALLY changes the meaning of that sentence, shit.

>>48137282
They can still try senpai

>>48137282
Sounds like 40k to me.

>>48137282
This defeatism is exactly why the Kor Protectorate fell.

>>48137328

Exactly. This universe is 40k with 75% more Grimdark.

>>48137282
Yes, such is the glory of 40k, Its all pointless.

I mean they wouldn't think that, (some sects within them would) - but more to the point, most wouldn't care.

They are out for vengeance, to them loyalty is everything, the Imperium is already ashes in their eyes, all that remains is to bury the people who burnt it down.

Their greatest hopes would be to kill the Demon Primarchs. Otherwise they are content working their way through those Traitor Astartes who were actually alive during the heresy.

>>48137220
>>48137245
>>48137279
I gotchu, senpai. And sorry anon But i think the 'demonworld but inhabitable' idea is more appealing than 'actual hell'

>>48137360
>Kill
>Daemon Primarchs
Now that's a contradiction in terms.

>>48137296
Mm. A combination of H.R. Geiger and that Polish guy they used for the Dawn of War III trailer.

Would be horrific and thematically appropriate.

>>48137374
I agree, the Asunder canon is to me a perverse inversion of the actual canon.

It would be eerie to have Terra remain largely the same, just the people in charge change. (+ a few demons ofc)

>>48137382
No way to know until you try!
... everything
... twice

>>48137382
That actually raises a good point, can you kill a demon primarch or just banish it?

I mean theoretically, not like its actually going to happen.

>>48137374
I think part of it is that the war master is actively trying to avoid going full chaos. I think we've been imagining his world's as nightmarish and warp wracked, but not actually sinking into the warp.


And while we're at it, Xun as a mega psyker, yes or no?

>>48137428

Daemon Primarchs are unkillable, just like the Chosen Daemons of each God. Yes they can be banished, but it would be easier to kill the Chaos Gods themselves than kill the Daemon Primarchs.

>>48137453
>I think part of it is that the war master is actively trying to avoid going full chaos. I think we've been imagining his world's as nightmarish and warp wracked, but not actually sinking into the warp.

He can't back out of a deal with the Chaos Gods. Once he's signed up with them, that's that. And there is not a thing the Warmaster could do to stop them. If they want Terra as their own playground, then they're going to get it.

>>48137428
Daemon princes are immortal. Daemons cannot be killed.

However, apotheosis is difficult. You don't just say "I'd like to be a daemon prince please." The chaos gods demand a great deal of devotion from their chosen, as well as a sacrifice of significant worth.

Fulgrim had to kill a primarch (turned out to be himself lol) to become a daemon prince, plus he had to use hundreds of eldar soulstones to power the apotheosis.

>>48137489
>However, apotheosis is difficult. You don't just say "I'd like to be a daemon prince please."
What if that was all it took, but anybody who wants to be a Daemon Prince is too arrogant to ask nicely?

>>48137453
Mega psyker on the level of Magnus - no
Mega psyker compared to regular pskyers? - Yes


>>48137460
>easier to kill the Chaos Gods themselves than kill the Daemon Primarchs.

What? or hyperbole?

>>48137489
I thought all the traitor primarchs become demon-primarchs? Interesting if they dont.

>>48137475
What if The Warmaster is a daemon prince of Malal. His eyes everywhere thing is a weapon he uses to make his enemies doubt and even turn against themselves.

>>48137453
>I think we've been imagining his world's as nightmarish and warp wracked, but not actually sinking into the warp.
It can be both. Inside the Eye of Terra it's the latter, and outside the Eye it's the former.

>>48137475
That's true, particularly with regard to Terra, but what I suppose I was imagining that the doublethink got to the point where you were half way to Equilibrium sort of weird shit and people were horror-bleached enough to stop emoting strongly enough to feed chaos properly, athe least on some worlds.
Not sure if that's a direction we want to go, but it could explain why the whole thing hasn't been subsumed into the warp, and I do like the idea of Terra being oddly similar.

>>48137519
DO IT.

Or at the very least the gods are blocking each other in an attempt to control Terra for themselves so it gives the Warmaster plenty of room to influence it.

>>48137453
We don't have a megapsyker primarch but we don't exactly need one, so I'm of two minds.
>>48137475
Well then the a vestige of the emperor is keeping terra in realspace partially out of the fact that its his old stomping ground, or whatever

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>>48137475
>>48137460
>>48137382
>>48137339
>>48137282
Anons dont be scared, give yourself a name so I can more easily track contributions.

We dont bite.

>>48137548

So it's Silent Hill? Somehow both inside and outside the Warp? The Warp Shadow or presence of it has merged with the Planet itself so it exists in two dimensions simultaneously?

>>48137509
>I thought all the traitor primarchs become demon-primarchs? Interesting if they dont.
AFAIK Perturabo isn't a daemon prince, primarily because he thinks the Chaos Gods are assholes and he exlicitly worships nothing.

>>48137559
>vestige of the emperor is keeping terra in realspace partially

mega-psychic residue or his most holy benevolence fighting the real fight even from the beyond depending on your point of view.

>>48137582

But he is a Daemon Primarch. It's been stated a dozen times and more that he ascended after the Iron Cage.

>>48137566
What about the rest of the Solar System, like Luna or Titan? Were the Grey Knights established at the beginning of the Siege by the Emperor and Malcador like in canon?

>>48137588
This would probably give the Crusaders some manner of hope that if they could do something to banish Chaos and restore the Emperor's light. Each state likely has its own "prophecy" regarding how this is supposed to happen.

I understand everything is supposed to be grimdark but the dark can seem all the darker if there's a bit of light.

>>48137556
If the Warmaster becomes a Daemon Prince then he could conceivably claim Terra as his own domain, especially if that was part of the pact he made with Chaos in the first place. Like, grant me the power I need to rule Terra and I will sell you my soul.

So they let him rule Terra and even let it be a seemingly normal (but still insane and daemonic in the shadows) world at the eye of the storm in order to ironically mock him. Like "Look, we gave you what you asked for. EXACTLY what you asked for."

Some legion officials since my primarch is out of commission:

>Geramar Steidt
Acting legion master and high councilor of the Amaranth system. A dreadnought. Strives to emulate his primarch in every way possible.

>Chief Librarian Pollux
Councilor of the Amaranth system. A dreadnought. Keeper of the Orisons of judgement, twin psychic orbs that are said to focus the remnants of the Emperor's power.

>Longinus
Captain of the 3rd chapter of the 7th great company. High councilor of the Tallarn system, a position which he famously achieved despite being one of the Uninterred.

Unrelated question here: Does anyone know of a chapter generator where I can color a dreadnought?

>>48137634
I was going to suggest exactly that.

>>48137573
Yes!

>>48137634
That would fit with his characterization.

>>48137509
>>48137559
Cool, then I think it would be best for him to be a clear psyker, but not anywhere near magnus' level.

>>48137614
Well in this canon things happened a lot faster, the Hawks attempted to conduct a delaying action much like the white scars but were less successful, likewise the Warmaster was much bigger on planning and duplicity than Horus so when the dominoes started falling they fell a lot closers and a lot quicker.

Thats not to say he couldn't have, but he certainly did have the same amount of time to do so.

>>48137642

Here's an interesting thought you might want to hear. Being a Dreadnought has massive downsides, so if your Primarch is a Dread then he's going to have a few problems.

Dreadnoughts can't sleep, to begin with. They only 'sleep' when they placed into stasis hibernation. So the Primarch would experience – or rather not experience – long periods of time.

And then there is the problem of pain. His mortal is sheathed in a cyberorganic web, laced into electro-fibre systems, and shut in an armoured sarcophagus. There is no opportunity to manage pain the way he had done as a Primarch and no mechanism for pain control.

For the same reason, he would find himself prone to emotional turmoil. Uncontrollable anger, rage and more. He would probably be prone to rage, to anger. Eventually he would miss his mortal state, miss the ability to feel, to touch, taste and smell. He would resent his death, regret the circumstances of it, fixate upon it, come to hate the cold-shell life he had been given in exchange.

So these things should be kept in mind when writing a Dreadnought Primarch.

>>48137508
>"Hey Karthus!"
>"Yeah, Bragor?"
>"You ever think we're going about this the wrong way?"
>"...What the fuck are you talking about, Bragor?
>"All the pillaging, all the sacrifices and raids, I mean, its not easy, but why would the chaos gods even really care about all that shit?
>"Well what the hell do you suggest we do?"
>"Have you ever heard of anyone, I dunno, Just asking?
>"...You're fucking retarded, Bragor. And furthermore you're waitwhatareyou-"
>"Hey, Khorne! Can I be a demon prince? Please? I promise I'm worthy and AUGHHHH GODS-"
>(horrible sounds of flesh tearing and blood exploding)
>"HAHAHAA, FUCK YOU KARTHUS I TOLD YOU, YOU SHRIVELED UP PUSSY! THIS IS AWESOME! LATER BITCH HAHAAAA!"
>(karthus flies away on brand new leathery wings)
>"...."
>"I still think it was a retarded idea."

So, I put down what I consider to be the "traitors" of the Paladins, the Blackguard (https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Paladins_of_Kor#Legion_Organization). Basically, their Errant Paladins that abuse their freedom by worshiping Chaos (something not banned for citizens, but banned for Paladins) and basically being bad dudes. Thoughts?

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warp_Raiders

>>48137756
That's an excellent idea.
>Funerus was a carefree, if arrogant, spirit before he challenged a xenos titan to a duel
>the despair from his sensory depravation and restricted movementled to deep inner reflection
>when he awoke for the first time, he was a changed man
>relied on the edicts of the imperial creed to find meaning in his life, leading to fierce loyalty to the empero, even moreso than his brothers

However, I've stated that he's in a special dreadnought sarcophagus mounted on an imperial knight chassis so he might not need to be put into stasis.

>>48137843
I'd specify that that page is for Imperium Asunder if I were you.

Reportan in.

>>48137841
I like it.

Questions it raises for me though.

>what does the Protectorate do about them?
what secrets could they reveal and how do you prevent that happening?
>how large is this group, you say people claim that the whole legion has fallen - how do they dissuade this?
How much of the legion could (worse case) be corrupt at any given point?
>How does everyone else treat them?

>>48137999
Actually if your borders are open, how do you stop the Eyes of the Emperor just inserting insurrectionists?

Hell they could insert their own legionnaires under the guise of Errants

>>48138033
Even if the borders are closed, that's gonna happen. One day on Agriworld #773 some guy named Jerry just shows up and says he's been transferred. Boom, he's in. Inquisitorial forces would have to hunt down Eyes among the populace, and they wouldn't get all of them.

>>48138033
It's space. Borders are open literally by default. You would need an absolutely immense fleet and powerful, far reaching sensors to have any hope of policing your territory.

>>48137999
>>48138033
>what does the Protectorate do?
It can't really do anything but denounce the Blackguard. They weren't considered true Paladins in the first place, and thus the Paladins don't take responsibility for their actions.

>how large is this group?
Unknown. They are made up of deserters of other Legions that joined the Errants.

>how do you stop the Eyes of the Emperor from being dicks?
Disassociation and (if it becomes a problem) taking them out.