Can you be lawful good and still be racist? Like, you hate gnomes

>>48093964
Lawful Good is your actions and beliefs as a whole. You can be as racist as you like as long as you don't act on it, really.

>>48093964
I suppose so? A character being Lawful Good does not automatically mean that they have no flaws.

So long as you aren't murdering gnomes in the street just for being gnomes or something I don't see why not. Why the hell does it even matter what alignment your racist character is in a mechanical sense anyway?

>>48093964
Depends on how you act on it and what the society/god/religion you belong to thinks of them.

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>>48093964
>not being racist against Evil
HUMANITY WILL RISE AGAIN

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It's very lawful good to be racist against consistently evil races like orcs.
It's questionably lawful good to be racist against neutral or good races but not necessarily a deal breaker.

Lawful simply requires generally following a strict code, good simply requires a general willingness to self sacrifice, you could potentially follow a code and be willing to sacrifice yourself for the greater good of your community but have total disdain for all other communities and still be arguably lawful good. Your average warhammer fantasy dwarf for example probably fits the bill of "racist lawful good"

>>48094029
>So long as you aren't murdering orcs in the dungeon just for being orcs or something I don't see why not

So, no?

Yes you can.
>>48093991
>You can be as racist as you like as long as you don't act on it.
No even this really. So long as you aren't say... murdering them in the street JUST for being an orc or gnome.

You LG character can still think they are ... Lazy or stupid. Your character can JUMP at the opportunity to punish proven guilty members of the race.
But trend carefully as many would view hate crimes or propaganda going too far.

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>>48093964
Yes, totally

I don't see why not. Lawful good characters go through dungeons massacring everything like everyone else. Perhaps the line is blurred for the particular character. The racism doesn't have to be overt, but i guess wheres the fun in that.

>>48093964
Racism isn't an evil at all it's unjust hatred that's an issue. So basically don't kill ALL the elves but feel free to advocate very harsh laws on their tricky forest ways to keep them in line.

>>48094097
>murdering them in the street JUST for being an orc.

Actually depends on setting. One of my favorite setting- the Birthright setting: If you are an Orc or troll or yes- kobold that is because you HAVE committed murder, rape, etc, etc, other evil acts. So in that world I'd assume it's perfectly ok to murder Orcs on sight.

>>48093964
>Incredibly racist paladin who knows he's racist and became a paladin to stop being racist
>It hasn't worked yet
An orc tries to rob him on the road:
>This is why people smite on sight, you shitter.
A drow prostitute presents herself to him:
>You're going to try to eat me or sacrifice me to your goddess after we finish. No thanks.
Tiefling warlock saves his ass
>See, they're not ALL bad.

I actually have a tiefling paladin... who's himself racist against tieflings because his family's inner circle are the only Good tieflings he's ever met.

>>48094101

Take that shit back, he wasn't racist he was just giving GL a compliment that only modern PC fanatics would whine about.

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>>48094145
>I actually have a tiefling paladin... who's himself racist against tieflings because his family's inner circle are the only Good tieflings he's ever met.

>>48094079
I said gnomes for a reason. Orcs are dicks
>>48094151
Did people even get mad about that back then? It was more of an "Oh grandpa" moment

>>48093964
Technically, racism is justified in DnD. We got measurable superiority/inferiority of some races compared to others in various domains, inherent morality based on races in certain cases, and some races are just plain out better (level adjustment).

Also, it depends on the editions, since they have different definitions.
I'm gonna go with 3.5, since 5th ed. alignment fluff is crap IMO, and say that it doesn't matter if you're racist or not, only your acts are taken into account.

>>48093964
There are a lot of races in D&D that it is entirely ok to be racist against. Orcs, chromatic dragons, kobolds, goblins, hobgoblins, gnolls, mindflayers, yuan-ti.

Racism is A ok in fantasy settings, and ok in places other than burger land, but that's a different thread.

>>48094220

Gnomes are worse. They're the niggers of dwarves.

>>48094339
>burger land

That's a funny way to spell "European Union." ;^)

#GreenskinsWelcome

>>48094220
And that's the thing, depending on what you understand for racism.

Right now if you say a black athlete is fast because his physique is build for that due genetic markers and stuff most people will tell you you're being racist.

>>48094339
What's wrong with Chromatic dragons ?!

>>48094499
I'm assuming you meant to reply to >>48094299, but I'd ague crime statistics and IQ tests are a little different than being 3 feet shorter or having fangs or inherit magic

>>48094554

They're tremendous flying douchebags.

>>48094706
You're a douchebag !

>>48094751

At least I'm not, at best, a serial cattle rustler and arsonist. When was the last time a dragon ever paid for anything? Let me guess, you're a good drake who dindu nuffin and those paladins were just hasslin' you on your way to the Temple of Bahamut to get your life together.

>>48094101
>>48094151
>>48094220
I assumed it was more a dig at Green Lanterns. Those guys generally suck eggs.

>>48094499
It helps that DnD has clearly defined races, though. You just have to look at the character sheet.

Don't suffer the thinly veiled racehate bait to bump.

>>48095105

What are you even saying? I don't understand.

>>48094151

what is racist to one person isn't to another

its kinda how racism works, racists don't see anything wrong with what they do or how they act

>>48093964


you can be what ever you like as long as you keep posting cuties like that

>>48095282
Filthy crossboarding shitposter leave.

>>48095105
>>48095535
Use your words

>>48095477

So racism is an invisible, intangible force whose presence can only be detected by the initiates of certain philosophies, and while it must according to your doctrine be expunged those afflicted with it cannot detect it on their own and must submit to the initiates of the aforementioned certain philosophies to be purged of their sin?

Sounds like religion. No thanks.

Dude gave GL a compliment, he came from a time (much like today, thanks to BLM) when blacks and whites didn't really consider themselves one people. Fuck off if you read anything bad into that. GL IS a credit to his people, both the lantern corps and American urban blacks.

>>48095535

His post makes no sense. You leave.

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I know Baldur's Gate II isn't much of an authority, but my god the lawfuls are racist in that game.

I'd say the lawful tendency to have clearly defined rules and roles could easily translate to racial hierarchies and eugenics and other bullshit.

Same issue with OP here more or less.
Backstory:
>human orphan in a large gnomeish city
>not many have seen humans but they know they exist like most people nowadays know terrorists exist but have never seen one
>run down back alley chapel
>maybe 10x10" with only a "grand" cleric
>grand cleric answers the door and sees no one who could have knocked despite it being a pretty long alley
>concludes that while i may be the ugliest baby he's seen its a divine miracle
>takes him a bit to realize i'm newborn and not a yearling due to size and general gnomeish view of baby beauty and me not fitting it
>raises me to be a devout Baravarian
>church gets big and famous with "The Worlds Biggest Gnome" considered to be the only legitimate miracle to happen in centuries at the helm
>making dad proud keeping the church alive
>smiling knowing he's smiling back at Baravar's right side
>all grown up now
>church is huge and gnomes from everywhere come to see it
>me and the other grand clerics decide its time we spread Baravar's wisdom to the world
>know the world outside is a dangerous place and there's monsters that can eat gnomes in one bite
>volunteer myself as i'm the biggest gnome around and know i'm at least 7 gnomes worth of bites
>grand clerics are hesitant at first as i'm the biggest and grandest of clerics and they don't want to send their miraculous claim to fame out to die
>who better to show Baravar's power than his one true miracle?
>afterwards i hooked up with the group at a bar after they convinced me they were also apostles of Baravar and just didn't have the good graces to be raised right and proper over steins of God's Milk (fermented milk) and never having experienced the sinful brew assumed it truly was
>play him as a naive in the ways of the world televangelist type right down to the voice after daddies image

>>48095669

Viconia is a cunt, Aerie did nothing wrong. Remove drow, impregnate qt amputee.

>>48095682
Only issue is this: Baravar HATES goblins and kobolds and demands i kill them on sight as an affront.
My DM likes to make goblin and kobold settlements and tribes that while backwards and primitive are undeniably nuetral/chaotic good to chaotic neutral in all his settings. I and several others suspect it may be either a serious obsession or an extremely subtle magical realm and i know one day i will have to genocide them off the face of the earth and piss on their graves.
Now if I DON'T kill them or maintain my Lawful Good stance i lose my powers but i HAVE to kill them as its what Baravar would want and i KNOW the DM will get on my case over killing "innocents" and saying i'm no longer Lawful Good for it.

Tl;Dr Slave to Baravar, my one true Lord and Master. What do?

>>48095669
Aerie BTFO.

>>48095669

Viconia is literally Neutral Evil, wants you to side with Bodhi, and whines about how all drow are misjudged while boasting about the evil shit she did. Drizzt she ain't.

>>48095640
>His post makes no sense. You leave.
If you're not just unable to recognize, but also to understand, a slight variation of one of the oldest and most prominent 40K slogans and /tg/ memes, then it is most definitely you who need to leave, /pol/ shitter.

>>48095767
>Drizzt she ain't.
And thank fuck for that.

>>48093964
It depends on your GM

Seriously some GMs will say that racism is evil enough that you simply can't be Good, and some won't care.

>>48093964
you can be lawfull good and be racist in real life anon. Why couldn't you in fantasy?

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>>48095784
>my unfunny attempt at a 'fresh' twist on a meme isn't kewl, you must be /pol/!

>>48093964
If you go by classic D&D, then yes.
Dwarves were almost ALWAYS culturally Lawful Good and got along really poorly with elves, seeing them as flighty and unreliable in a pinch.
This is in fact racism; stereotyping an entire group as one single negative thing without regards to individual personalities.

>>48094938
It's a compliment to the GLC. You'd say the same to a good soldier in the military or the marine who shot osama.

>>48095879
Except the GLC, the military generally just fucks up civillians instead of accidentally releasing and failing to re-detain universe destroying entities every thursday between 10am and 8pm.

>>48095784

There is absolutely nothing wrong, and in fact quite a lot right, about posting on /pol/.

>>48095767
>>48095799
Viconia is a very soft Neutral Evil.
Basically she's selfish and mean and doesn't particularly care about the well-being and rights of others, but she says outright that she doesn't kill people for no reason at all and isn't a cold-blooded murder.
She'll pick the more "this benefits me directly even if it hurts other people" choices, but she hardly regularly goes out of her way to hurt people unless they seriously get in her way and stuff.

It's actually fairly believable that you can turn her True Neutral, mostly because her evil aspects are extremely passive compared to a lot of other characters.

>>48095870
It's not. Its a racial trait. Dwarves are short, elves are tall. Dwarves are muscular, elves are lithe. Dwarves are brave, elves are cowards. It's like how It's a safe bet that the latino playing jai alai is gay.

>>48095640

good intentions, but it's still racist

ask a white man? he'll say its a compliment
ask a black man? he'll say that's racist
ask a white man? he'll say that's racist
ask a black man? he'll say its a compliment

its about perception, anon don't. get so upset.

>>48093964
>liking things that are genetically chaotic evil
your allowed to hate if you want ya stupid SJW, as long as you don't go genocide innocents and things that arn't considered evil and thus killable with no penalty.
i bet you have Literal ISIS terrorists living in your house you europoor.

>>48095915
It's just a general warm southernly compliment. You get a coach who runs a football team and he sees another player doing mad plays. He'll probably go over and say "you're a credit to your team, son." Before shaking the hand of the coach. It's pretty big praise actually if you grew up the same way. Same for boy or eagle scouts or any organization. It's him highlighting and saying that while your group is good you're better and they're better for it.

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>>48095962
>Elves are cowards

Faggot short man, you listen and you listen good. Every fucking time evil threatens the world, you know who actually goes out and blandas upp with the humans and does something about it? We do. Meanwhile, you lock yourselves in your mountainhomes behind expensive runic seals and wank to your ugly women about how "brave" you are because you don't give a single shit about whether the outside world falls to whichever Dark Lord or Overlich or Baleful God has shown up to sodomize everything this time so long as you get a few more days to drink beer and craft useless trinkets.

I'd tell you to get fucked, but that's a compliment to you furry little shits.

Long live the forests.

>>48093964
"Good" doesn't necessarily mean "nice". You can be the most hateful monster in the universe, yet be Lawful Good who goes around paladining the shit out of people's problems while noting that the people are idiots of the greatest magnitude for not being able to do it themselves, yet never would say no to helping them because reasons.

>>48095852
>I clearly didn't understand this thing any fa/tg/uy would recognize, quick I must pretend I meant it just wasn't funny instead
Kill urself my mong. You're a disgrace to shitposters everywhere.
>>48095957
I never implied there was anything wrong with it. What's wrong is the board: you're posting it on /tg/ instead of /pol/.

>>48096007

How? What baffling line of SJW logic are you following this time?

>>48095962
Yeah, that's actually still racism. In your case a very soft and mild racism that mostly makes you look silly at the worst, but that's about it.
Elves are certainly less lawful (meaning less rigid and code-bound), but this doesn't make them flighty or unreliable, it just means that they sort of feel their way through stuff as they go. Unreliability and flightyness (which is flitting from one random thing to another) largely depends on the elf, hence why there's so many elf wizards or master craftsman; they just spend a LOT of time doing their one thing that they enjoy and are good at.
Similarly, dwarves are not ALL dour and humorless people ("stiff-necked") who have difficulty not thinking in straight lines. Dwarves laugh and enjoy themselves just like anyone, though they may not always do it in front of complete strangers.

In unrelated news, jai alai is a fucking insane sport and seems to me like a step above an elaborate form of suicide sometimes with it's ridiculous pitching speeds.

>>48096071
>elf so scared he can't even spell brave the post

>>48096071
9/10 times you're responsible for the evil that threatens the world.

>>48096075
>abloobloobloo muh feminine sensitivities, muh gaymer gurl fanaticism to the fact everyone who doesn't do as i say since i have tits means they are shitlords who must be purged
>fuck you, i know i'll call you /pol/ and keep spamming shit until muh feefees feel better
anon you are literally a shitposting tumblrite shitter, plz go.

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>>48096141
Wow, it's not every day you catch a shitposter who's genuinely retarded or insane.

>>48096097
>confirmed never having played traditional LaCrosse
Seriously. Take the speeds that granite ball flies in Jai Alai then imagine what the same scoop with less drag and a much bigger fulcrum can do with no padding or helmet.
There's a reason it's still called Big War on the rez's.

>>48096211
No, I think LaCrosse when not using a lighter projective is insane too.

>>48096245
>*lighter projectile

>>48096182
>proceed to shitpost everywhere pushing your retarded fuck agenda taking a perfectly innocuous phrase and making it seem racist cause muh feefees
>continue to shitpost when someone calls you out on it
>someone else calls you for the SJW tumblrshit you are
>dis guy is clearly racist, insane or retarded, please disregard every single thing said, i win the end fuck you.
your arguments are shit and i can smell the cancer coming right off you, and i would know that putrid disgusting smell after my mother died from it.

>>48096075

Take it up with OP little buddy. The issue of fantasy racism has been around for a good, long time, and it never twisted anyone's panties until the SJW trend got popular with you college kids.

>>48096083
>What baffling line of SJW logic are you following this time?

>if I don't agree with it, its SJW!

>>48096245
>lighter
I said traditional god damn it!
Seriously though i hate the recent need to make all things baby proof for teens these days. Tell them it's dangerous as fuck then let them make the decision cause i fucking hated having to drive 20 miles one way to play actual LaCrosse.

>>48096268
Also this. Lighter is for safety type LaCrosse like that of local highschool or private school Leagues so baby doesn't bruise his skin.

>>48093964
in a setting where there are actually evil races, the whole racism thing is quite the norm i guess
.

>>48096307
>>48096331
Well, I just didn't bring up or comment on LaCrosse because nobody was talking about LaCrosse.
Someone WAS talking about jai alai.

>>48096110

I spelled it correctly. Do you even speak Common, or should I communicate by slapping an anvil against a mithril chastity cage to form the syllables of the traditional dwarven dialect you fat little neckbearded tantrumer?

>>48096134

It's not us digging too greedily and too deep, shorty. That time with the magic gemstones was an exception, normally the ancient evil comes from humans, and we're okay with that because humans are our bros.

>>48096182

Are you sure you're human and not a Salt Elemental or something? Orc apologists need to go and stay gone.

>>48096276
>your arguments are shit and I'll prove it by calling you a cancerous SJW
If you care even a little about your family's dignity you should consider joining your mother post haste.
>>48096282
Take what up with the OP? Your obvious and complete lack of understanding of the most basic /tg/ memery and how it exposes you as a crossboarding shitposter who's unwisely skipped the customary period of lurking? Because it's you I'm addressing right now, not the OP, you who I'm talking about. Unless of course you are the OP, but I suggest nothing of the sort.

>>48096306
>Can't even explain his views
>You're racist because I say so!
>Not a SJW

Havin' a giggle?

>>48096366
I was talking Jai Alai. Good game and fun and i'm not saying it's lesser just that if you see a latino playing it it's a 100% chance he's gay. It's just a LOT safer compared to traditional LaCrosse.

>>48096380
>It's not us digging too greedily and too deep, shorty
We've what, one balrog on our conscience? That never even left the underground? Remember the Silmarils? The Ring? Who was responsible for those, hm? I mean, you literally invited Sauron of all Maia into the heart of your power.

Gygaxian LG: yes.
Blue state urbanite in the current year: no.

>>48096396

Except it was a shit twist on a /tg/ meme. One that did not make sense. Oh, right, it had "suffer" in it, so it's totally kosher, amirite? His variant made no sense, how does that ever imply someone doesn't understand your precious meme?

Fuck off SJW, and take your bitching about racism with you. Don't contaminate 40k with your dumb shit.

>>48096437
Don't forget they willing accepted rings that corrupted their leaders and the leaders themselves STILL keep them knowing full well what they do just because it keeps them looking pretty.
>WAAAAH! My face is burnt so i'll use soul dissolving magic to look pretty!
>WAAAAH! I'm the biggest whore in the world and can't stand the idea i'm not the prettiest and that all eyes aren't on me so i'll use soul dissolving magic to prevent this!
Seriously they're the biggest bitches around right down to their leaders let alone the lessers of their species.

>>48096437
>Lord of the Rings is all fantasy
>Sauron is an elf

He seemed like a cool guy, no regrets. That's not 9/10 times anyway.

>>48096396

Could you people please fuck off back to tumblr or reddit or wherever you come from?

>>48096468
>Except it was a shit twist on a /tg/ meme. One that did not make sense
Literally the exact same meaning mate, a couple of words switched for a couple of other words which have the exact same meaning, which anyone with a strong enough grasp of the English language to understand the meme in its original form would be well aware of. "Kosher" you say though, that doesn't smell of /pol/ at all. You really ought to hide such bad and telling habits if you want to continue this farce of pretending that you're not a shitposting newfag.

>>48096407
>Havin' a giggle?

are you?

>see something that's racist
>doesn't believe it racist

you might be racist, anon

but everyone is a little bit racist

>>48096525

We got three and gave one away. You got seven and were promptly rekt by dragons. Elves 1, Dorfs 0.

>>48096544
>>Lord of the Rings is all fantasy
The "digging too greedly" thing is straight out of Tolkien. This is basic fantasy knowledge, mate. Anyway, your "back to tumbbit hurr" argument grows thin: reinvent your bait or fuck off. I'm only saying this to help you, you know. It's tough love. Sometimes, the path to trolldom must be accompanied with the occasional verbal smackdowns.

>>48096557

40K is the antithesis of your intellectually bankrupt women's studies philosophy. Being this butthurt that a comment you intended to be clever wasn't well-received doesn't make you look like less of a tumblrite.

Also, using kosher makes me from /pol/? Haha, sure, okay. I thought /pol/ hated Jews?

5/10 you got replies despite being this salty, 2/10 if I wasn't grading you on persistence.

>>48096564
At least we had the good graces to bury our living corpses. You fucks know they're absolutely fucked up and still keep them around. Hell we recently killed ours as the abominations they are unlike you dumbfucks who let them bodily into heaven, spoilers if you don't know: this gets you guys kicked into to the void as you're all poisoned and thus unworthy. Have fun.

>>48096561
>refuses to explain why something is racist
>but it's totally racist because I say so

You show those nazis, strong fellow womyn!

>>48096596

No. You seriously need to go back to whatever cancerous website you come from.

>>48096612
I wouldn't know anything about what the antithesis of women's studies are, mate, same way you don't know shit about /tg/ memes. It's because I've been subjected to one but not the other.

>>48096658
The first and last person who had the capacity to convince me to fuck off of /tg/ was Nazimod, in '11 or so, and only because he banhammered my ass for a year straight, so your dumb ass can suck my dick like your dad taught you.

>>48096668
Different anon here.
>antithesis of womens studies
Honestly it's probably the Study of Logic and Reasoning as the modern Women's Studies you'd find on campuses these days merely finds ways to bring people down to the level women perceive themselves to be at while attempting to elevate just them. This is inherently sexist, biased, and racist in its thoughts and implementation and i truly believe if we merely studied Logic and Reasoning and used a morally sound base of philosophy we'd grow insanely quickly as a society and everyone's lives would be better and closer to this ideal they feel is reserved solely for men whereas it's reserved for a select few who just happen to be men.

>>48096612
>Haha, sure, okay. I thought /pol/ hated Jews?
Yeah, I mean, it's not, like, /pol/ love to use Jewish terms so much that they're the most prominent memes on the board behind "cuck" and "nigger". But you sure convinced me you're not from /pol/ with that feigned ignorance. Hell, you even convinced me you're not from this fucking side of the internet, given how literally everyone who's spend more than a week on any board knows exactly how much /pol/ loves its Jewishry!

Guys, we have an actual tumblr derail going on here. It's time we ignore it and move on.

Let me tell you all about why gnomes are awful and need to be purged. Firstly, they're ripoff Dwarves. Being short, bearded, and skilled at engineering and crafts is a Dwarvish trait. Being silly and short and lackadaisical is a Halfling trait, so Gnomes are basically Dwarves with all of the worst Halfling traits. Second, zero self-awareness, all Gnomes are basically autists. If you see a Gnome, the best thing to do is spit on him, and the second best thing to do is to split his skull and quietly bury him in an unmarked grave. Gnomes were created by secretive Dragonborn supremacists in a bid to destroy the superior Dwarven race, using forbidden homosex magic only Dragonborn know. Wherever Gnomes go, they steal Dwarf and Halfling jobs, and endear themselves to the human authorities by being "cute" and "wacky."

I propose we ally against these two most cancerous of races, Gnome and Dragonborn, and eliminate them to secure a future for our children.

>>48096704
>bragging about being gay
>bragging about being unsubtle enough to get banned

It's like you were born to be cringe.

>>48096843
>>48096795

Stop responding to the SJW fags, they're hoping if they shitpost hard enough this triggering thread will get deleted.

>>48096843
Unsubtle? I told that dumbass off like I'm telling you, and I never regretted it for a moment, because /tg/ was an awful board under his supervision. And if you think the word "subtle" had anything to do with Nazimod's purges you're just flaunting your ignorance.

>>48096819

Dragonborn are pure cancer, so I'm listening.

>>48096819
Woah. Back up. Worlds biggest gnome here. I'll taller than most humans and baby's ass cheek smooth. I'm also a hard worker and lackadaisical is in no way applicable to me or mine. We're also quite self aware or else the smaller gnomes would be constantly stepped on and die.
I can't say i've seen many dwarves but those i have have been at taverns partaking of sinners drink in excess, even by standards of those addicted. This maybe be a delusion of grandeur brought on by decompression and I recommend you see a local apothecaristn as soon as possible before tremens sets in.

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>>48096910

Oh my, you're so brave and rebellious! Please, summer child, treat me to more of your "wicked epic bantz"! I'll give you a gold star if you really tell me off! Hit me with your best shot, O shitposter-kun!

>>48096942

AROUND GNOMES, BURN THEIR HOMES!

>>48096959
No, at this point, I'd just be wasting it on you.

>>48095725
>Slave to Baravar, my one true Lord and Master.
>What do?
If what you say above is true, you know what must be done.

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>>48096980
Sir? SIR! Your beard is on fire! SIR! YOUR BEARD!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being racist.

Debate me, tumblrites.

>>48097067
I was more hoping for arguments supporting the actions i needs must do. Baravar, praise be his name, knows the DM will throw a shit fit i killed his Racefu's and try and punish me for it by neutering me.

>>48093964
>Can you be lawful good and still be racist?
Sure.

Did you see Aragorn stopping to negotiate with any of the hundreds of orcs he killed or ask them about whether they really believed in Sauron's evil cause? No, he just killed them because they were orcs and thus automatically baddies.

Fantasy racism is almost always justified.

>>48097102
It hinders social progress by throwing up walls that need not be there and thus incite strife between all parties thus compounding it. Prove me wrong.

>>48093964
Some races are just evil and should be hated. Real life morality is not D&D morality.

>>48097102
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being blown the fuck out.

Debate me, al-Baghdadi.

>>48097156

Why should superior cultures give way to inferior cultures just because it's the "nice" thing to do?

Try and disprove this, you will fail.

I wonder, would someone who truly believes most other species and races are unfortunate savages who do not have the capacity to truly become civilized on their own and thus he sees it as his duty to enlighten, guide and correct them so that they to may become a part of the modern world and reap the fruits of civilization, as far as their limited abilities allow be considered lawful good?

I think its obvious the racism part is very much present

>>48097156

If there were no blacks in America, it would be one of the safest and most law-abiding countries on Earth. That's all I need to say.

>>48097232
>if only we were capable of reducing crime and poverty it would be one of the most law-abiding countries on Earth
Top kek argumentation.

>>48097212
I never said give in. Look at it this way. You hate blacks. So when any blacks come in for an interview at a programming company you immediately pass on them. Lets say 2 of those blacks are genius tier and no others compare. Because you let something so small as hate blind you you lost out on a chance at REAL progress. Maybe they got the vibe you hate them for their race so now all those interviewed will have this sour taste about the process thus hindering them getting in places they'd be useful in. Now you have welfare leeches.
If you'd put aside your differences and used them like society is designed to use literally anyone regardless of race you might have a the next top spot as a fortune 500.

This applies to all areas in life and society as a whole and your racist intentions should actually make you enjoy the fact they're being used even if that means admitting you are as well.

We're all cogs so put those that fit where they fit rathet than wasting time and resources being inefficient so you can feels superior like a child.

>>48097381

This. Hating niggers is fine, hating black people in general is unacceptable.

>>48097381

That's the answer I was looking for. Well done, Anon.

>>48097381
That's smooth, man. I'm impressed.

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>>48097381
>Lets say 2 of those blacks are genius tier

Could you not have used a more realistic example?

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>>48096561
>No derogatory
>No discriminative
>Not pushing superiority of one race over other
>Literally nothing bad was said
>It's still racism because I say so
Go grab a dictionary and learn what racism is

>>48093964
Lawful? Yes. Good? No. Generally, I'd count it as a trait for an evil or lawful neutral character.

I'd say it could MAYBE be a character flaw for an otherwise good character, but in a decade of DMing I've only encountered three player characters I'd actually consider to be GOOD. So it's a small chance.

>>48099053

Everyone is a little bit racist, Anon, and that's healthy.

>>48098942

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouAreACreditToYourRace
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InnocentBigot

its already a meme

you can be racist without thinking anything you say is racist

its all about perception

>>48099215
>Acknowledging differences is racism
I hate this age so fucking much

>>48099273
We know.

>>48099273
Nowadays believing in sexual dimorphism is sexist, not joking.

>>48093964
Depends on how extreme the racism is. Obviously a guy who routinely goes out to dropkick halflings is much worse than a guy who just has a deeply ingrained prejudice that he mostly keeps to himself.

>>48098942
>Go grab a dictionary and learn what racism is
Racism is by definition discriminatory.
>>48099273
>>48099436
Grow the fuck up. No one even said that. I get that you're afraid of the big bad Tumblr SJW boogeyman because that's what 4chan and other chan and Reddit tell you the world is like, but you're buying into a false narrative with cherry picked randos on the internet, trolls, or outright lies.
>>48095640
You literally just described racism. Seeing a person as being (or going against) their group is racism.

This thread is full of people who think that if you don't *intend* to cause harm that somehow you're not a racist, as if the only way to be racist is to actively and maliciously discriminate against people. That doesn't mean that your thoughts, beliefs, and actions aren't contributing to a social structure that encourages the larger societal ills. Saying things like "you're a credit to your people" is something that isn't done anymore for a reason. It very much was an "oh Granpa" sort of thing because of that. Just because the character is a nice guy and meant it as a compliment doesn't mean it wasn't racist. When people say that Obama is "well spoken" or "articulate" with that unspoken subtext that because he's black that's surprising, that's racism, even when they mean it well. Being racist doesn't make you a bad person, though.

Let's use an analogy. Not anything to do with race or sex or gender identity or some social ill.

Let's talk about littering.

>>48099498
>Racism is by definition discriminatory.
And "you're a credit to your people" is not discriminatory

>>48099498
>They say Obama is well spoken or articulate because they're racist, not because the previous president was a retard and the contrast is huge
And hows the person who assumes everybody is racist called?

>You make your parents proud
>You're a role model for all the women in the world
Is this discrimination?

>>48099498
When you toss your candy wrapper on the ground or leave your beer bottle lying around, that's a bad thing, right? Even if you don't really mean anything by it, even if it's not a big deal because people are paid to clean up, it's still not something you should do. Most people can agree with that, right? You don't leave trash lying around.

At the same time, it's something we all do, and if you tell me you don't I'm going to call you a liar or assume you stopped doing it after a stint in custodial work. No one thinks that leaving a soda can on the beach or letting your empty pack of chips get blown off the table (or leaving popcorn on the floor) is something that makes you a terrible person. There's no circle in hell reserved for people who spit gum out the car window.

That's kind of what's at play here. People think that RACISM is something that only Klansmen can do. If you're not actively wishing harm on a certain group of people, you clearly aren't a racist. The problem is that just like leaving your cellophane behind in the park, you're still contributing to a larger problem. You're still littering.

>>48099527
>dis·crim·i·nate
>dəˈskriməˌnāt/ verb
>1. recognize a distinction; differentiate.
>2.make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, sex, or age.
>prej·u·dice
>ˈprejədəs/ noun
>1. preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.
You're right. This person who is clearly making a distinction between himself and John Stewart based on his preconceived opinions of the people John Stewart belongs to is not at all recognizing a distinction between himself and John Stewart based on his preconceived opinions of the people John Stewart belongs to.

>>48099571
Are you really so blind as to not understand that many times people say that, it's due to the belief that black people are not usually or even cannot be articulate?

>>48099594
>Is this discrimination?
>>You make your parents proud
No. Your parents are specific people and not a nebulous group based on arbitrary divisions like socio-ethnic group or gender.
>>You're a role model for all the women in the world
Yes, because it treats the subject as being representative of a nebulous group based on an arbitrary division. Not only does the woman in question not represent all women (no matter who she is), many women would likely not want to be represented by her (no matter who she is).

>>48099674
Well, a lot of women use the second phrase, literally every interview Oprah does to a woman ends or starts with that phrase

Also you're wrong in the first one, that phrase differenciates your parents from the rest of parents, it's being discriminative

Now that you've dropped every pretense of not being pure /pol/ (in choice of topic, even if you're not a regular there), could you perhaps discuss it somewhere more appropriate?

>>48099674
Just because you don't think the first phrase is discrimination doens't mean it isn't.

>>48099712
Why are you watching Oprah in the first place? Also "Oprah did it, so it can't be discriminatory" doesn't mean anything. Hell, Oprah runs (or at least created) a Women's television network. I don't really want to get into the reasons why discrimination like Lifetime or BET is acceptable while "Heterosexual Pride Day" isn't, but this being 4chan I know I'm probably going to have to explain it anyway.

>>48099741
>>48099712
>that phrase differenciates your parents from the rest of parents, it's being discriminative
No it doesn't. At best you could argue that it differentiates you from your parents, but at that point you really are just stretching the definitions. Even then there's no inherent prejudice or preconceptions, and the group that you'd be making preconceptions about in the first place is much smaller than any of the other ones that we'd be talking about when it comes to discrimination.

>>48099827
But it does, a correct phrase would be "you'll make any parent proud"

>>48099890
>discriminating people who aren't parents

>>48099273

look man, all I am saying is that a dwarf paladin has every right to hate finger wiggling knife ears and be the most righteous dude there is

being racist should have absolutley no bearing on being lawful good

>>48093964
Yes. The important thing is that you still do what's right as dictated by law despite your disdain. You can call elves a bunch of smug, knife eared tree fuckers all the damn day, but if they're your kingdom's allies then you'd best be out there fighting alongside them when trouble comes knocking.

>>48099890
>At best you could argue that it differentiates you from your parents, but at that point you really are just stretching the definitions. Even then there's no inherent prejudice or preconceptions, and the group that you'd be making preconceptions about in the first place is much smaller than any of the other ones that we'd be talking about when it comes to discrimination.

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>>48094220
Dude, not all orcs are dicks, you can't just make a sweeping generalization like that.

I met an orc once and he was very polite and well-behaved, he only raided my all-human middle class village twice.

>>48093964
>Can you be lawful good and still be racist
Well if you matured past the 8th grade it's practically synonymous.

>>48093964
Back in the 1800s, most Europeans/Americans, even the abolitionist ones, thought that Africans were inherently inferior, like it was a scientific fact. So you could be someone who's good, and maybe even nice to the people their racist against, but in an extremely condescending way, kind of like the same way you'd be nice to a dog.

>>48098942
Racism: n. - Anything I disagree with

>>48096468
I don't even play either variation of Warhammer, or any wargames for that matter, and I immediately understood the reference just due to the amount of times I've seen it hamfisted into other threads.

All of the greentext directed towards this "sjw" is an obvious indicator some of you need to go take a breather outside and let your frustrations with crazy regressives dissipate in a healthy way instead of shitting up threads with it.

To be honest I thought the racebait comment was a bit paranoid but there have been quite a few bait posts lately, so I didn't entirely blame him for it.

I can't even tell who's trolling who at this point. I'm just going to call everyone an SJW/SQW and say they should fuck off to /poleddit/ or something. That'll show you all.

>>48100466
Many actual femminist writings (the ones written by women with a cause, not those whiny tumblrites we have today) also noted this, where women were fed up with their husbands treating them as incompetent/useless when they clearly weren't.

But that's another can of worms entirely.

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>>48093964
Yes.

>>48099498
>MUH SUYSTEMIC RACISM

Nope. Opinion disregarded. The fact that you're bitching so much about one superhero complimenting another shows that the real "societal ill" is the tumblrspeak born from people who make a living being victims passing on an ideology of victimhood to impressionable young students who have been taught how to parrot rather than to think for themselves.

I say this in the nicest way I can, gently and sincerely meant. Kill yourself so that your retardation does not affect the next generation.

>>48099215
>tvtropes

Chock-full of underage tumblrites.

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>>48099726
>tumblr engages in a discussion, has no complaints about the subject matter
>gets BTFO
>WAAAAAH MOOODDDDSSS TAKE IT TO /pol/ SHITLORDS!

>>48103935

You mean like Germaine Greer, the pedophile? Or Andrea Dworkin, who believed men were abortions that failed? Or the really, really early feminists, who were mostly anti-booze and believed that sexual liberation meant cheating on your prudish husband? Feminism was shit from day 1.

>>48104574
>I will ignore clear evidence because I don't want to acknowledge that I might somehow contribute in a small way to a much larger problem.
No, I'm bitching that people are defending a scene that was clearly intended to be good old fashioned old timey well intentioned racism and saying that it's totally not racist.

The scene's entire purpose was to be cringey and racist.

Also, stop acting like you're such a victim.

>>48104628
Are we on the farm? What the fuck is with all this straw?

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>It's a "racism is any recognition of patterns existing and not just believing a race is inferior to another" episode

Fucking hell when will they realize that they've watered down the word racism so much that it can't be used as a weapon anymore.

>>48104676
>Many actual femminist writings (the ones written by women with a cause, not those whiny tumblrites we have today) also noted this, where women were fed up with their husbands treating them as incompetent/useless when they clearly weren't.
>facts are straw

Also, no, you're bitching about a compliment, and "evidence" being "what my Marxist professor told me to convince me that everything is racist."

It's bullshit, Anon. Bullshit. Someday you'll grow up and laugh at the idea that you thought a white man complimenting a black man and acknowledging him as a superhero was racist, and you'll laugh at the mental gymnastics you went through in order to be offended by it.

>>48104676

Yes, please keep making racism less and less of a bad thing so that one day it will be socially acceptable to say nigger again because the word 'racist' will have lost all meaning. Please.

>>48104711
Considering it's been this way since 1945 and there's been no sign of it stopping or weakening? I'd say never.

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>>48093964
Racism is functionally indistinguishable from any other in/out-group discrimination, and thus not intrinsically better or worse than any other. If you grew up in a society of Elves who've been at war with Orcs for 300 years, you'd probably fucking hate Orcs really, really bad, but that wouldn't make you evil--that'd make you normal. It's what you do from that position of normalcy that defines your moral character.

Now if you in that same position went out of your way to torture orcs to death because you hated them, that'd be different. You're acting in a way that is unusually cruel even for someone in the context of a total war. Simply fighting and killing them wherever you found them, however, would be understandable, and thus neutral or even good depending on the context.

When you start getting into race-war territory, pretty much anything done in the pragmatic interests of your people is excusable since any mercy you show to your enemy is de-facto a potential injury caused to your own people, but once you start crossing the line into killing or hurting for pure self-gratification, you have begun using your situation as license to indulge in mindless savagery.

>>48104711

Never. It's an industry, it's not about making the world better.

>>48104711
>>48104865
>>48104891
>>48104778
You don't make the world better by using a term "as a weapon". The fact that it can be used "as a weapon" is why so many people don't think racist things are racist. It is about making the world better, that's why it's useful to identify that racism exists on a spectrum beyond "literally lynching a nigger".
>Yes, please keep making racism less and less of a bad thing so that one day it will be socially acceptable to say nigger again because the word 'racist' will have lost all meaning. Please.
Literally the exact opposite of the point. The word has a meaning. That meaning is not something hyper focused.

>>48104772
I'm pointing out that cherry picking bullshit is not how you hold a meaningful conversation. Again, that scene was meant to show racism. It was meant to be a "wow, they sure had some strange ideas back in Grandpa's day". Also, you're the one getting offended. You're getting offended at the very notion that someone might question your beliefs. And again, this is why it's important to make it clear that having racist views or doing racist things does not make you a horrible irredeemable person. Because you have this kneejerk reaction that something "racist" must be evil.
You're not evil, Anon. I don't think that you're evil. But I do think that you're naive, and maybe a little willfully ignorant.

>>48104873
>Racism is functionally indistinguishable from any other in/out-group discrimination, and thus not intrinsically better or worse than any other.
But any in/out-group discrimination is generally bad, although having bad views doesn't make you a bad person. Race, sex, nationality. Even team sports. It's all pretty bad, and it's shitty to view people as group-first.
Except Warhammer fans. Fuck them.

>>48105072
Whether it makes the world a better place or not is neither here nor there. If the way we treat racism is a bit shit stain on the clean linens of the world that's just too bad as it will continue to sit there and stink up the place whether you like it or not and its been there long enough that no matter what you do there will always be a stain for you to look at.
This is just the way it is and the sooner you see this and learn to play by those rules rather than be a childish backwards thinking idiot the sooner the world can make progress is areas that actually matter.

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>>48105072
>anyone who doesn't buy into social justice is naive and maybe a little willfully ignorant

>>48105072
>anyone who doesn't buy into social justice is naive and maybe a little willfully ignorant
But I don't want to give money to profesional victims

>>48097129
I hate the alignment system, because its crap.
But you can justify your little "genocide" by comparing them with an invasive species.
They are just bad for the ecosystem because they breed fast and have no natural enemies.
Your not exterminating them because it gives you pleasure or because you hate them, but it is your duty to keep the land healthy and prosperous for all living creatures.
Trying to genocide a sentient race might not be competently lawful good, but you can justify it as lawful neutral.

>>48105492
>They are just bad for the ecosystem because they breed fast and have no natural enemies.
Human genocide today.

>>48105569
Yeah, but when you condone one little genocide, everybody starts calling you a Nazi.

>>48105620
Fucking metagaming garbage.

>>48105492
I suppose that could work though i'm not sure how he'd handle me calling them pests. Anyway to avoid losing my status of lawful good or favored by Baravar in a logically sound way when the skull bashing starts?
He'll probably use the "but they're Chaotic GOOD. Killing good beings isn't something lawful good people do!" and him attempting to bump me down to chaotic evil or some shit?

>>48105136
You act like pointing out something is racist is somehow bad. Should we ignore it like previous generations? Or excuse it, as many in this thread want? That seems more childish and backwards. It certainly isn't a way towards progress. Pointing out that shit like that is bad is why we've got progress.

>>48105228
>>48105282
>Abloobloo I'm an alt-righty who thinks "social justice" is that thing 4chan and Reddit always tell me it is.

>>48096396
>If you care even a little about your family's dignity you should consider joining your mother post haste.
Damn, son. You're both idiots but that was a hell of a burn.

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>>48093964
if by being racist you mean looking at an ethnical group through stereotypes rather than the qualities of the individual ... Not really lawful.

on the other hand , if it is common believe that a race is inferior and the character in question never had the opportunity to judge by himself , you cant really clarify.

in the end , it is about how the character is actually treating the ethnic in question. if he has his prejudices (trolls are lazy f.e.) but still judges them by the same rules as other people, he still is lawful for acting according to the same criteria for judgement for everyone.

I dont really think it has to do with good/evil alignment , tho or even influences it. You can have a selfish villain who is still politicly correct as fuck , or a LG sheriff who hates nignogs but doesnt arrest them or even shoots them for being black (but even more so if they actually commit crimes).

>>48110630
>if by being racist you mean looking at an ethnical group through stereotypes rather than the qualities of the individual ... Not really lawful.
Actually, when you put it that way, Racism IS Lawful.

>>48093964
There is nothing evil about hating gnomes

>>48093964
I thought hating Gnomes and Kender was required for Lawful Good.

>>48093991
The old sociological split between "prejudice" (attitudes) and "racism" (actions) is applicable here.

>>48093964
The whole trope of "asshole paladin" works quite well with racism, I feel.

>>48093964
Have you heard of Paladins?