Why is it bad to make flashy interesting characters? Human Fighters

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>>48043003

Nothing, it's all depending on the execution.

>>48043003
>flashy interesting characters
Because usually you don't get that. You get
>my entire personality is that I am a dragonborn and a warlock

>>48043091
I'll take that over "my personality is giving quests" and "my personality is fighter" any day.

>>48043003
Because according to /tg/, whenever you play anything that isn't a human fighter, the laws of the universe dictate that you can only play the cliché-ridden archetype of that class + race and never anything that resembles a character.

>it's a "OP asks a pointless question just to start a pointless discussion in which everyone whines and takes their limited experience as universal gospel" thread

>>48043003
I read that as Dragonborn Warcock

>>48043182
Already told you to fuck off and return once you've bust a nut, you furry faggot.

>>48043123
if you can't handle constructing legitimately "flashy, interesting characters" and need to rely on class and race i suppose that's your own problem

>>48043091
That's not fair. Sometime's it's more like
>I made a dragonborn warlock!
>My character's backstory is that he's a dragonborn warlock!
>Also he has a character quirk that I dropped halfway through the first session!
>I literally don't roleplay!
>What a diverse and interesting character concept!
>Man, I sure am glad I'm more creative than that grumpy human fighter writing letters to his family
>Who cares, let's get some loot and XP!

>>48043003
>Why is it bad to make flashy interesting characters? Human Fighters are boring, I'd rather be a Dragonborn Warlock.
You can paly whatever you wish. The thing is that you seem to think the character's "interestingness" is determined by the race/class selection. Most people are on the opinion that it is shown by other things such as his backstory, personality and they way he is played. Many characters can be played differently that has nothing to do with their class or race. While Class/race is important of course, you can find many other quirks to spice it up.

>>48043199
At least try to keep up with the 2 posts-long context, retard.

>>48043173
this

>>48043197
Dragonborn are lowtier furshit. They don't even have tails AND they have lizard boobs, I can't fap to that!

>>48043200
Sounds like the dragon kid is having fun. Why you gotta be so upset?

>>48043003
Show on the graph where the bad GM hurt your feelings.

But who has this opinion to begin with? Are you implying that it's a popular opinion in this world of ours that interesting characters are bad?

>>48043003
No one in the history of ever has ever had an issue with a Dragonborn Warlock, unless it's a human only or no magic game. The issue comes from half-elf, half-dragon characters that are better at melee than fighters and better at magic than wizards.

>>48043232
The 4th line of greentext would probably be a safe assumption as to why

>>48043123
You are saying that you want turquoise because it is not blue or green. That's the level of difference involved there.

>>48043232
Roleplaying is a group activity

It is also frustrating to put actual effort in your character if everyone else is playing the game as a clunkier version of a CRPG

>>48043003
You can make a flashy and interesting human fighter just as you can make a boring dragonborn warlock.

>>48043268
I really doubt that. Dragonborn are pretty easy to hate between feeling kind of shoehorned in and the type of people they appeal to though

>>48043298
Well, yeah, but my point is that unless Dragonborn or Warlocks are specifically banned from the game, I doubt anyone will really have an overwhelming issue.

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>this thread where retarded special snowflakes get assblasted by the non-existent conspiracy of people rolling male human fighters

Shut. The. Fuck. Up. God, do I hate you teenage cretins

We have this thread like every other day. You like playing as some retarded anime inspired Greco-Roman cat man? Wow, great for you dude, really congratulations you deserve a medal. Nobody fucking cares about your race/class combo, what does bug the shit out of me is when you act like some self important pin prick (for LITERALLY no reason) and look down on people for rolling conventional class set ups. In my 6 to 7 ish years of tabletop, I've met one fucking guy who was a male fighter and it wasn't even your typical man-at-arms mercenary set up, he was a spartan hoplite who used javelins and spears.

You aren't clever, superior, smarter, more creative, imaginative than someone else because you choose a less common race class combo because you think that somehow intrinsically has depth by virtue of being uncommon.

>it's a "/tg/ takes mid-level baits and falls for it every time" episode

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>>48043279
>It is also frustrating to put actual effort in your character if everyone else is playing the game as a clunkier version of a CRPG
That summed up my last three months of trying to find a game in a nutshell, damn.

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The solution is just not playing D&D.

Because to a degree, people don't like when something that esoteric appears and wildly clashes with the overall aesthetic of the setting. Peasants are scared of dragonborn warlocks because they don't know what the fuck that is.

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>>48043003

Flashy and interesting is good and no one should argue against that.

Your mistake is thinking a Dragonborn Warlock is automatically flashy and interesting by virtue of being a Dragonborn Warlock.

>>48043469
I think the running definition of "flashy and interesting" around here is "not human, not martial."

>>48043337
No it's not. The problem exists in all systems.

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>>48043490

I think that's the real crux of the problem.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of the "Male Human Fighter" myself but that's because its common archetypes are not ones I find all that interesting. But far be it from me to tell someone else they're uncreative when they play one.

>>48043337
>try to play DW
>every other fuck wants to play a skeleton

>try to run shadowrun
>every other fuck wants to play SURGE character

>try to run Rogue Trader
>3 orks and 2 tau fags

The solution is to not generalize.

>>48043622
>try to run Rogue Trader
>One "secret" chaos worshiper that will try to sabotage the Gellard field
>One "Secret" heretek that will try to kill everyone with his homemade AI
>One xenophiliac that want to be fuck everything that has boobs or is an alien himself
>One person that actually want to play RT

>>48043678
Sounds like a pack of rogues to me. Play Dark Heresy if you want your super srs grimdark campaign.

>>48043003
Because being a dragonborn warlock doesn't make you interesting and being a human fighter doesn't make you uninteresting you autismo.

>>48043003
The problem is being so incredibly creatively bankrupt that Dragonborn Warlock is somehow automatically more flash and interesting than a Human Fighter.

If you want to play a Dragonborn Warlock, then play one.
If you want to play a Dragonborn Warlock because you cannot even fathom how to make a "boring" character class interesting and you think that picking a different race/class combination will somehow make up for your incredible shortcomings then, yeah, you might as well.

It gets a bit aggravating when people get smug about it, though.

>>48043003
The problem isn't dragonborn warlocks, it's people who think that "dragonborn warlock" by itself is enough to make the character interesting.

>>48043003
>Wanting to be a furry edge lord
>Straight cismale is boring, I'm a demisexual gender fluid sparklefemme now!

Faggots never change.

>>48043003
It's not the character, it's the player.

>>48043794

I fairness, I would say warlock is one of the more interesting classes since it opens up a lot of cool narratives.

Fighters are much more thematically diverse, which I think is a good thing. But that also means you have to think just a little harder on how to actually make the character distinct and interesting. Warlocks lay a lot of inspiration at your feet from the get-go.

>>48043003
If you can't make an interesting character out of a simple concept, then you are ill equipped to make an interesting character out of a great concept.

The moment you let a character's 'What' identify 'who', you are no longer playing a character, you're playing a game piece.

>>48043091
Pretty much this.

It's not even the race or class that's a problem, it's the fact that there are so many people that take one idea or gimmick and never flesh it out into a proper character.

When all you've got is 'my character is a fantasy detective,' but you never go any farther than that and seem to not want to do anything unrelated to being a fantasy detective, that's when I have a fucking problem. If you make a Dragonborn Warlock and can't do anything not related to being a warlock that's a dragonborn, get the fuck away from my table.

>>48043838
>But that also means you have to think just a little harder on how to actually make the character distinct and interesting
Fighters are the blankest, whitest sheets of paper you could write something on. It shouldn't be difficult at all.

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Being female automatically makes your character twice as interesting, don't you know? Four times if they're nonhuman. If they're a lesbian too, automatic masterpiece! Why have a personality when you can do that? Pssh, there's no such thing as an interesting male human fighter.

>>48043905

That's my point. Warlocks, or wizards, or even barbarians have a sort of implicit personality to them. In my experience, classes like that trigger inspiration quicker. The class still isn't the character's identity of course, but the necessities of that class's backstory--selling your soul to the devil, being a stranger from an "uncivilized" land--give me a good foundation for building that identity.

With a Fighter, I have to come up with everything from scratch. It isn't that much harder, but it's not like preferring classes with a little more flavor is a bad thing.

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>>48043469
My problem is when people think they're flashy and interesting, but are actually pretty uninspired.

There's a huge difference between dragonborn warlock, and 'my character is basically Korra okay guys.' If they could actually represent Korra well, hey, it might work, but even a really good roleplay of Korra would be forced to have her story twisted by virtue of not being in her own setting and having to deal with different enemies and problems.

>>48043922
Sauce on the comic? I fucking loved it

>>48043695
>Sounds like a pack of rogues to me.

It's entirely possible to be "rogue" without being full-blown Chaos worshippers.

Hell, full-blown Chaos worshipers tend to get detected and eradicated pretty quickly once the Inquisition catches on, and they WILL catch on.

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>>48043812
Human Fighters confirmed for /pol/

>>48043003

First, are you playing a system where human fighters have interesting abilities other than sucking at skills and doing multiple attacks?

If no, fuck playing as a fighter.

If yes, develop some back story and shit.

>>48043990

See I don't think that's a good example because even if you "represent Korra well" she still won't really work in an RPG. Partly because as you said her personality and identity require her setting, and partly because even in her own work she's pretty darn unlikable.

When I think of characters who work as transplants into RPGs, I think of guys like Han Solo or Agent Mulder.

>>48043981
At the same time you can almost do whatever you want with a fighter, which is basically a guy that uses weapons. You are much restricted with particular classes and it's more difficult to squeeze something interesting out of them.

>>48043003
Long as you give them both flash and substance you are good. Too many rely on just flash, where substance is what you really want

>>48044044

Wait, Han Solo is likable?

And Agent Mulder is as well?

>>48043279
I mean a CRPG with more freedom. And I choose to only exist to kill.

>>48043003
You could try to create a well rounded character instead of a scribble made out of race + class.

My character for example is a happily married tax inspector who is punctual, strict, disdainful and has made enemies of nobles and merchants alike through his investigations, but also grudging allies from those he can strongarm with the law. In the field of battle, his foes are shocked by his ferocity and anger with the way he wields his halberd.

I'm playing a dwarvern barbarian with a merchant background.

See how most of the character's personality didn't come out from his class and race combo, but stemmed from how best to represent him? Try coming up with a non-mechanical character concept, THEN statting it out.

That tends to get interesting results.

Not class+race.

>>48044092
You dissin' on Han Solo?

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>>48044044
The point that I was trying to make is that often people will get inspired by a character from a show or a movie or a book, and try to make it into something of their own. That does not work out well, especially if they lose some deep aspect of the character due to the shift - Korra being the Avatar, for example, or even Han Solo's relationship with Luke forcing him to look out for other people and show he's a good guy.

I'm not saying it's impossible, or that it's necessarily even a bad thing - if done well, it shows a great sense of understanding of a character enough that you probably could have just made your own - but I've never personally seen it done well.

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>>48044092

You telling me you actually find Han and Mulder unlikable?

>>48043996
www.harkavagrant.com

>>48043003
Humans in general are boring

>>48043996
And that's from when the comic's gone downhill a lot in quality. It was brilliant for quite a long time.

>>48043232

Dragonbornfag detected. Truly they are the shittiest race.

>>48044158

>Han Solo's relationship with Luke forcing him to look out for other people and show he's a good guy.

I don't know why that can't translate well into another character/setting. That's a timeless narrative arc which has been around far longer than Han Solo.

>>48043298

This, they're faggot lizardmen without that monstrous feel and with Snowflake stat bonus.

>>48044190
t. Spider

>>48044119
What if I don't want to play as anything else but class+race?

>>48044093
When it's a CRPG murderhoboing and nothing else is fine because often there's not much of a choice, and a computer is handling all that. You can choose when and how often you're going to play and the computer's not going to object.

In a pen and paper RPG you're in a group with people who may want to do something else than kill shit, there's a human being handling the mechanics, and you usually only have a few hours a week or month in order to develop the game and characters. All of it is just a fancy, formalized form of playing pretend. It's collaborative acting and writing.

CRPGs are a meld of skinner boxes with CYOA books cleverly disguised on a RPG hide.

>>48044252
Then do it, faget. Fuck all these people ITT who get their frilly panties in a bunch over what other people enjoy.

>>48044218
It's still got some good dialogue, and I like the art now and then. I even don't mind the more SJW-y messages, since sometimes the comic bashes the other side too and they at least make the complaints funny instead of preachy.

I just really miss when it was little jokes about history. I love little jokes about history.

>>48044252
Then go ahead as long as it doesn't bother your group, but it's most likely not good roleplaying

>>48043996
Hark A Vagrant

>>48044221
It could translate well, but what if you bring your not!Han Solo character into a party where there's no equivalent of Luke? Everyone's a bunch of tough badasses, or whiny loners with no respect for what Han could show them or real drive to push forward themselves.

I know it feels like a stretch or a change of goalposts, but it can be a legitimate problem if you make a character that's loved for certain traits, but never get to actually show those traits. I don't think anyone would like Han Solo that much if he stayed exactly as he was for about the first half of A New Hope.

>>48044252

Then do it.

Personally I care much more about how well you interact with your group and play your character than whether or not you can successfully prove Male Human Fighter is more interesting than Female Dragonborn Warlock.

>>48043077
The thread should have ended here

>>48044261
Then show me a CRPG with the flexibility of having an human handling the mechanics, especially at killing things.

I want to murderhobo, but I also want choices.

>>48044345
I think you missed the point, I am saying it is insensitive to treat your DM as a more flexible version of software

>>48044252
Are you sure you don't want to play as anything else but class+race?

I don't have problems with you kind of mutely following the party around and only showing up for a fight. But you better not feel bad when you're barely acknowledged in an IC sense, or never get to roleplay.

>>48043335
that's a gal, not a guy

>>48044364
As long he doesn't visibly object, it's no problem.

>>48044366
I barely even think of the character as anything else but a series of numbers.

>>48044401
If your GM was any good he'd have kicked you out of his game a long time ago.

>>48044280
I've actually managed to pinpoint the exact strip where the quality began to drop. Hold on, let me find it.
http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=284

>>48043003
Its only bad to make a monstergirl character.

>>48043695

Eldar futanari techpriest player spotted.

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>>48044029

So human fighters are automatically the best, then?

>>48044379
I know.

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>>48044484
Aren't those guys giants?

Also, posting a boring human male fighter
>muh sister
>muh family
>muh grey morality
>muh politics

>>48043990

Tumblr going nuts over her for being STRONG, BROWN, GIRL when she was a weak emotional mess who turned gay for virtue signalling was hilarious. Aang made her look like such a weak bitch.

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>>48043812
Read that as
>I'm a demisexual gender fluid sparklefemme cow!

>>48044092

Is this bait?

>>48044190

Fuck off tumblr elf.

>>48043356
People who unironically (hell even ironically too) like television should be lined up and shot in the head.
People who unironically (hell even ironically too) like film should be lined up and shot in the head.
People who unironically (hell even ironically too) like reading should be lined up and shot in the head.
There's no fucking difference dude. Your medium of choice isn't inherently better than anyone else's. Saying that there's nothing but bad anime is like saying there's nothing but bad television, or books. It's a blanket statement so blanketing it's meaningless.

>>48043990

Didn't Korra need a (dead) man to give her back her powers at the end of season 1? After she cried about it?

I think that's about when I stopped watching or caring about Avatar.

>>48043590

For such a huge archetype I never see anyone play it, ever.

At this point I would kill to have a player who was a big mover and pusher in the story be a Male Human Fighter, especially if he used a sword and shield.

>>48044835
Pretty sure I've ERP'd with that person on f-list...

>>48043003
It triggers spergos.
Dragonborn warlock can be boringer than HMF, it depends in the player.

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>>48044997

>At this point I would kill to have a player who was a big mover and pusher in the story be a Male Human Fighter, especially if he used a sword and shield.

Why? How would this automatically improve your game? I think you should be more interested in characters' personalities than their race/class makeup. Unless they want to play a race which would be unrealistic in your setting.

>>48044981
>Season 2: Korra alienates all her friends and almost becomes a bad guy. Then she gets better and fights her evil uncle. Final battle is a prize fight between two giant spirit monsters. Korra is saved by Jinora.
>Season 3: Spirit wankery from Season 2 turns people into Airbenders. One of the new Airbenders is Bane, who assassinates the Earth Queen (on camera) and almost kills Korra. Jinora saves her and helps stop Bane. Overall the best season.
>Season 4: Three years later. Robin Williams' daughter goes crazy and turns into Hitler. Gives rebelling Earth Kingdom provinces a "Serve the Empire or be Crushed Beneath it" ultimatum. Builds a giant Jaeger and tries leveling Republic City. Korra defeats her with the power of love. Korra is gay now too.

>>48044575

Yes, clearly he's exactly like Stamina Baratheon, Bronn, and Jon Snow since they're all human male fighters.

>>48044832
Don't tell me you don't go nuts over a strong brown girl. /tg/ does when you just add elf ears.

>>48045172

/tg/ doesn't (usually) get political about their brown girl fetish though. tumblr did.

>>48045144

Don't forget that being poisoned once made Korea to scared to activate Avatar mode anymore for a while. What a fucking joke. Aang was a kid and had his entire people wiped out and didn't bitch that much.

If your idea of an interesting character is choosing a certain class and race, then your characters aren't interesting.

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>>48045161
Why yes, of course.

Don't forget the mountain and the hound, since they're also male human fighters. All exactly the same and all just as boring. They have no power to influence anything beyond the reach of their swords (and they all use sword and shield, the bores), all useless in social situations, and all so vanilla it makes you beg for any kind of variety whatsoever.

Sam becoming a wizard will be the best thing to happen to the series. At least then we'll have some different classes.

>>48045197

There were a couple points where Aang angsted a little over the Avatar state. But that was mostly because he was afraid he couldn't control it and felt bad about all the devastation he caused when he used it. He was torn between the power it offered and the price it could potentially incur. Katara even said it was stressful seeing him go through the kind of pain he needed to trigger it.

Of course, his solution to the problem was the cowboy up and learn how to keep it in check. It really is amazing just how much of a better character he was.

>>48043003
>Human Fighters are boring,
The whole point of the Human Fighter meme is to illustrate that good roleplaying depends on the characters personality rather than their race/class combo. Human Fighters are the most vanilla combination so rather than playing a Dragonborn Warlock who does Dragonborn stuff and Warlock stuff, when playing a Human Fighter you can't just do Human stuff and Fighter stuff, you actually have to do character stuff to make the character interesting.

That's why it's a true test of your ability to roleplay. Playing anything else is basically training wheels mode.

>>48045172

I'd pay twice the gold for one at the brothel during downtime, that doesn't make her interesting.

>>48045260

Aang had balls of purest mithril and the soul of a Paladin.

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>>48045281

>Playing anything else is basically training wheels mode.

>>48045197
This is what happens when people try to write teen girl characters. They try to make them strong, independent, and totally boy crazy! But then they remember they have to write flaws for their character, and suddenly you're spending four seasons watching her cry over every little thing, cause that's what teen girls do right? Which wouldn't be so bad except no one wants to watch an action spend every episode bitching about how their life sucks.

>>48045319

River was the shittiest part of Firefly.

>>48045330

The thing is though the people in charge of this show are literally the same guys who already proved themselves capable of writing interesting, dynamic teenage girl characters. I think what happened is Bryan tried having his cake and eating it too, and the new people they hired to help them just kinda deferred to his whims.

For all her waterworks, Katara was far more interesting and likable than Korra ever was.

>>48045389
I feel somewhere along the line, tbey looked at tumblr, saw the fanbase was a bunch of shippers, and it was all just downhill from there as they suddenly tried to subconsciously cater to those fans. In reviewing their old work they misjudged what made the Gaang such likeable charactets.

That's how they ruined the first season, every other season was them doing damage control over looming cancellations and budget cuts and trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator, which absolutely failed until they hit the mark on lesbain Korra which ensured themselves enough funding for their webcomic.

>>48045475
>subconsciously cater to those fans

There's nothing subconscious about it. Writers know exactly what they're doing when they cater to shippers.

>>48045144

It would be refreshing from all of the other concepts I get and allow me to focus more on their personality than players who try to bring racial and occupational qualms to the fore of their characterization. I've done a huge game in Eberron with a central player being a Warforged and we explored all the themes and issues a warforged could rightly go through during a campaign and now its basically something none of us feel like exploring again because its done and we're satisfied with the conclusion we made.

Maybe if it was a Warforged who was already a realized personality who's comfortable with themselves, sure, but i'd argue that's not the best kind of PC material either. 'Guy who's arc was already completed before the game began' is more NPC or mentor material.

>>48045475

IIRC, at some point they mentioned the Mako/Korra arc was there so they could throw a bone to Zutarra shippers still flustered over AtLA's ending. Don't quote me on that though.

Honestly, most of the Korra supporting cast are pretty good. Mako started out as a grumpy fag and I didn't really like him at first, but as the show went on he calmed down a little and his relationship with Bolin was one of the most sincere portrayals of brotherhood I've ever seen. Asami was a likable, independent girl who always got the short end of the stick but still muscled through it. Tenzin was of course great.

I didn't really like the Airbender kids though. Particularly Jinora.

>>48045281
>The whole point of the Human Fighter meme is to illustrate that good roleplaying depends on the characters personality rather than their race/class combo
What an utterly retarded implementation of the idea, assuming it's not just a bullshit interpretation of some /tv/ memelord faggot's shitposting.

>>48045188
I could understand them getting excited about the lesbian part, but what's the deal with brown girls?

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>>48045588
As one of the first guys to turn those threads into image-threads, I can say that is mostly the idea.
>someone posts 'lol male human fighters are so boring and samey, you can't have fun like that
>a dozen shitposts later
>post male human fighters that are really quite interesting
>illustrate that RP isn't completely determined by race and class, a lot of variation and interesting story is possible even within 'male human fighter'
>ideally encourage people to put more thought into character creation and RP, so they can have more interesting characters and more fun

>inb4 more shitposting

>>48045744

Something about more representation of POCs in children's cartoons.

>>48045744
2D brown girls are white girls with exotic skin.

>>48045588
>assuming it's not just a bullshit interpretation of some /tv/ memelord faggot's shitposting.
No, you're on the right track

>>48043091
I was probably going to post this as well, but just to elaborate, there's nothing wrong with being a Dragonborn Warlock so long as it's not the entirety of your personality.

If you want to play one and are trying to figure out if it's interesting or not, try this test:

Your character is a Dragonborn Warlock. The rest of your party consists of a Dragonborn Assassin, an Air Elemental Blackguard, and a Tiefling Favored Soul. What makes your character interesting in comparison to these people?

If your answer is nothing because everyone else is a similar fantastical race/class, than you're going about creating an interesting character wrong. If your answer is due to their particular personality traits, their believable backstory, and their motivations for adventuring, then you're probably on the right track. Characters are not interesting because of who they are, they're interesting for their journey to become who they are and the possibilities of who they might become.

Players who play characters like this are usually the type who look at a piece of art, see some fantastic entity in a heroic pose, and think, "Wow, that's cool, I want to know all about this person!" but when trying to emulate it, only manage to capture the image of the art rather than going deeper into what brought about the snapshot of the artist's drawing. The person playing as a human fighter though may not stand out when a visual image is conjured up, but it was never about the image itself -- it was about the culmination of what led to that character itself.

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>>48043003
>a class/race combo is a good character description.
I mean its obvious bait but fuck me I know people who actually think like that

>>48043003
Are you implying that you don't have the creative chops to make a human fighter flashy and interesting? Because literally all I'm seeing here is a personal failing on your part, not any greater failing of the conceptual metanarrative.

GIT

GUD

>>48043232
Because I'm here to weave a story, not to accomodate some faggot's autistic number crunching power fantasy.

A roleplaying group is literally one of the only places where the >badwrongfun argument doesn't apply, you window licking retard.

>>48045588

I blame ERP for the anti-MHF shit. Gotta be a lesbian half-succubus elf or you're not hot, y'know?

>>48046532
Maybe someone feels like they've gotten all that the can out of "human fighter." Maybe there's a concept they'd like to explore that's better executed through "dragonborn warlock" than "human fighter."

Honestly, there are times where "human fighter" gets a little old. And there are times where the insistence that a human fighter can be just as flashy and interesting as a dragonborn warlock morphs into an insistence that choosing dragonborn warlock in order to be flashy and interesting in a way that human fighter is not (because let's be realistic: either has ways of achieving "flashy and interesting" that the other can't really compete with) is bad. It's starting to remind of that "classic fantasy" pasta.

>>48046730

This, really. The way /tg/ gushes over the Male Human Fighter as if it's the end all of quality roleplaying feels like a forced kneejerk reaction to special snowflakes. It's a fact there are character dynamics the Male Human Fighter simply cannot cover, or can cover but not as adequately as another race/class/gender combo.

People talk about how a character's race/class have no bearing on their personality. This is untrue. A character's background, race, gender, class all contribute to a unique experience. It's a shame the people playing "unique" setups can't always understand this and just wind up playing a piece of character art instead of a person.

But on the flip side, people who think playing a Male Human Fighter or similar "boring" setup is some kind of badge of honor need to get off your dicks. Your character is not automatically better just because his conflicts involve a strained marriage or shell shock instead of something you deride as "gimmicky".

>>48043003
I think that in the line-up of all the different skin humans of the Core player races, Dragonborn stick out like a sore tumb.

It also suggests a person looking to be implicitly special. If the other, more normal looking races went to distinguish themselves, they have to work for it.

>>48043003

No such thing as a "dragonborn".

If you want to call yourself a Warlock, well, you get to do that when your magic-user has 135,001 experience points.

>>48044880
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>>48044162

Han Solo is a loser who can't keep track of his fancy spaceship.

Agent Maulder(sic) was an anti government guy working for the government who believed that aliens fucked him up early in life.

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>>48047442

>implying either of these things are unlikable or uninteresting traits

And it's "Mulder" you dingus.

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>Gonna be playing a male human fighter tonight

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>>48047471

>that gif

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>>48047517

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>>48047600
Food is for eating and not for lewds

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>>48047614

Goddammit, stop.

Why do you have so many of these gifs.

>>48043315
>teenage cretins

Post disregarded.

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>>48047647
Because food is art

>>48044252
You'd have a hard time in my group where a lot of problems are solved socially instead of through mechanics, but if you find a group that suits your style, sure, go for it. Just don't expect any RP or things other than game mechanics.

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>>48043315
>You aren't clever, superior, smarter, more creative, imaginative than someone else because you choose a less common race class combo because you think that somehow intrinsically has depth by virtue of being uncommon.

100% this. I'm so sick of people throwing together the most outlandish race/class combos with the most ridiculous backstories.

It is sometimes okay to play Elves and Dwarves and such too. It really is.

>>48043678
The worst part is that if you tell them you're running Black Crusade 'cause they're all a bunch of Chaosfags, they'll all be SUPER SEEKRIT double-agents for the Imperium.

>>48047464
sic.

>>48044450
Dracula is literally the one after, you are way off.

>>48043003

Because when everyone makes crazy aliens or other fantastical(probably not a word) races the one person who makes a default Human Fighter or equivalent ends up being the most unique and interesting one.

>>48052990
Human male fighter doesn't suddenly start being interesting just because he's the only human male fighter on the planet.

>>48053059

Oh how wrong you would be in the sessions i've played in. It's not always "human fighter" but always some sort of "default human" equivalent that ended up being particularly interesting for the session or a valuable trait.

>>48053090
Personal experience doesn't matter.

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I dunno. Human fighters tend to become the most interesting characters, because they got no crutch to make them interesting "by default" and the player is actually forced to think about their character.

They also tend to mesh well into most setting, so there's no "elephant in the room" effect from them actually interacting with the setting.

>>48043003
Because players who say 'Human Fighters are boring, I'd rather be a Dragonborn Warlock' are boring as fuck.

>>48047442
>Han Solo is a loser who can't keep track of his fancy spaceship.
The Force Awakens was a mildly entertaining fan flick. It wasn't actually Star Wars* and the events in it should define Han Solo no more than the events in the prequels define Vader.

*Or rather, it's what Star Wars is now, which is, at best, "inspired by" the original Star Wars stuff. It's like TNG to TOS, only more so.

>>48047714
Ew. That in no way looks appetizing.

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>>48043337
You are pic related.

>>48045578
only good thing about legend of korra was henry rollin's voice acting tbqh senpai

>>48053059
Neither does a dragonborn warlock.

>>48051937
It's not that there aren't good comics after it, it's that it's the comic where the aspects that began hurting the quality of the comic started appearing.

Only skimmed the thread. I think a lot of people are conflating complex/nuanced characters with interesting characters. One particular example from the thread: the human fighter who writes home to his family. Fine, you've given him some depth. YAWN, still boring.

I think what OP is saying is reasonable. We're playing a fantasy game because the real world is mundane. A more fantastical race/class combo = more potential for interesting depth. 2 cents.

>>48053106
Think about what you just typed.

>>48056004
This bitch needs a dictionary.
>>48052099
This bitch is on-point.
>>48047614
All these food bitches need to report to the produce isle for their company issue spanking.
>>48043003
This bitch needs to ask herself if there's something interesting about a character beyond the one-sentence pitch. Have you never heard or read or seen a fantasy story with an interesting human warrior bitch? That's your job bitch. To get that good.

Now if you have a good character and they are also a dragon born warlock that's fine bitch. That's fine.

But if not?

Swing that neck bitch, drag your knees on over to the role-playing section of the phb and peruse as you swing that neck.

>>48056047
>>>/tumblr/

>>48056055
This bitch thinks I browse her mother's webzones.

Little does she know.

>>48056047
Curious as to what words you think I need to look up in the dictionary.

>>48056063
nice tumblr meme dude

>>48056064
Interesting.
Complex.
Depth.

If there's a way to distinguish what you're seeing as the difference there it was not conveyed in that post bitch.

>>48056073
Again. I am unfamiliar with the MySpace of the teenage mothers. Please bitch, enlighten me as to their memes.

>>48056047
>isle
kill yourself

daily reminder to report black people

>>48043003
See i would make a minor noble who is out adventuring, capable swordfighter with flair trying to prove something to the world and make something of themself that didn't rely on their family money.
Could have disagreed with parents or been disowned... something like that.
They use a sabre and have charisma and knowledge
Bit like a useful bard.
That would be interesting
A dragonporn warcock is just boring and fetishist

>>48056096
It's true. Unless I meant the island of vegetables and fruit, I was in error.

See that bitch? It's when you admit you were wrong and move on.

Or. What half this thread refuses to do.

>>48056101
>Implying there are black people on \tg\
>Further implying you're a bitch

>>48056084
interesting = engaging to humans, captures attention
complex = antonym of simple, lots of parts rather than few
depth = a facet of complex, referring to layers of character development

I think the way I used all of those is pretty standard. Like the rest of the thread, I think that you think the words are freely interchangeable. Dismissing that was pretty much the point of my post.

just report and ignore
he'll get bored eventually

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>>48043003
Legit question here /tg/. My friends and I are all trying to do a game together and one friend is trying to be THAT GUY. Everyone else is either good or Lawful Neutral and he picks a fucking Lawful Evil Drow Cleric. I asked him if he could pick something else and he told me he would switch to Tiefling if I wanted him to. I just want to say fuck it and let him deal with being a shitlord but I feel like it will fuck the group too much. I want him to play but I don't want his snowflake status to fuck the group. What do.

>>48056128
I was more hung up on distinguishing "interesting depth" from other kinda of depth.

But the race/class combo only goes so far. To engage and captivate long term the actual rp going into the concept. And the commitment to the depth in the concept. That's what makes or breaks it--not that it's a human or a scalie.

>>48056129
Bitch it's not like this is the only thread on the board. You're either ass blasted I disagreed with one of the twenty grievances that have sprung up or so easily triggered you can't leave the house without your signed copy of Art of the Deal.

report and ignore

it's that easy

>>48056181
You're the dm right? your campaign your rules. I've seen a lot more strict rules than that, drows are acutal shit

>>48056181
Establish a houserule: if somebody maliciously betrays the party, the party can automatically kill the guy, he gets no chance to resist.

Also if he tries to sell them out to any NPC in any fashion, that NPC is a double agent and was testing their loyalty, the NPC reveals treachery to the group and thereafter see previous paragraph.

>>48056181
I wish my GM actually had some sort of warning bells. We have one guy who brings outrageously ill-fitting characters to our games, and the GM simply doesn't bat an eye. Oh, you're playing a Lawful Good Summoner,and a Chaotic Good Gnome Sorceror? better bring a fucking Chaotic Evil Half-Tree Pyrokineticist!

>>48043003
>Why is it bad to make flashy interesting characters?
It isn't.
>Human Fighters are boring, I'd rather be a Dragonborn Warlock.
Dragonborn Warlocks are neither flashy nor interesting. Your race and class does not make you flashy or interesting, and are poor substitutes for creativity.

>>48056237
>>48056233
>>48056208
I still don't even know how the fuck he is going to fit into the party so maybe I will just tell him to fuck off. I actually want to see how it plays out but not at the expense of the other players.

>>48056181
Tieflings can be good, Drow can eat shit

>>48056246
\thread

&not a moment too soon.

>>48056359
Drow really should be removed from the fucking playable races

>>48056277
/Lawful/ Evil can have many reasons to work with the good guys.

Actually about that.
Were you talking to them about their characters individually? Just get them together to try and shape them into cohesive whole.
What are the group's goals? How does each character fit in with the global goal and every individual?
The LE guy will either work with them and be serviceable or won't and will be unacceptable.

>>48056359
The Evil bit wasn't what I was so concerned about. It's the whole "Everyone fucking hates you, good luck getting around without having a peasant shit on you or try to kill you" thing.

>>48056277
>how the fuck he is going to fit into the party
Ask him that. Just outright ask him what does his character want to do with the party.
Ask him what are his characters principles.
Ask him what evil he /wants/ to do and ask him what evil he /will not/ do.

If he at any point says anything like "I'm just using them and will betray them when I don't need them anymore", immediately ban him from lower right half of the alignment grid.

>>48056386
People are afraid of tieflings, some zealots may try to attack the party for havin' a horny guy in it, supersticious peasants either run away or get in defensive stance with their pitchforks. If tiefling proves that he's not a real demon and is friendly, they calm the fuck down but there is still tension

>>48046804
Still the best post in this thread.

Post characters youve played /tg/

>first character was a human sorcerer in eberron
>family is killed by emerald claw
>him and sister are the only ones to survive
>they get found by a guild and travel with them for a bit
>magic awakens
>guild becomes new family
>spends time with them
>on an adventure the guild was annihalated
>find out it was emerald claw
>promised to keep sister safe so he leaves her in aundair
>adventures in hopes of obtaining power to wipe out the emerald claw
>will stop at nothing to do so
>still the coolest bro in the party

>>48043003
Making special characters is fine, provided they don't break the setting

Making special characters purely for advantages is where things get iffy, but they can be saved by a player putting an effort into making them interesting as a character

Playing a character, ANY character, and thinking their mere existence alone makes them interesting is Badong, and you should oppose it with all your being

>>48056516
>Ork street samurai in Shadowrun
>Almost managed to graduate college when the company funding a scholarship program he was with got bought out and downsized
>Construction firm demolished the low-income housing he was living in to make room for a parking garage
>Rage boiled over when he was nearly robbed at gunpoint at a grocery store
>Picked up a shopping cart and beat the motherfucker to death with it
>Got arrested because "trog rage, man"
>Became a pro criminal after getting out of prison
>He'd love to get a job that doesn't involve busting heads, but society won't let him back in
>He'd love to get out of the bad part of town, but guns, ammo and augs cost money
>His shitty girlfriend has an ork fetish and he doesn't know how to tell her that she's really racist
>He can't go back to his parents now that he's not the good kid they raised anymore
>He likes his new friends, but they might be a worse influence on him than prison was
>He just wanted to be a normal member of society. Now he's terrified that he's become the monster that society's painted him as.

Besides every subplot involving him falling into the themes of Native Son, he was a really fun character to play.

>>48056181
Well, if he's lawful then you can make up good reasons as to why he is working well with the others and why he would be minimally loyal to them. Might be an interesting plot point. Maybe his character could develop surrounded by goody-two-shoes.

>>48043268
>The issue comes from half-elf, half-dragon characters that are better at melee than fighters
Not hard to accomplish.
> and better at magic than wizards.
Only possible to accomplish against retarded Wizards who don't know what they're doing. Turns out that being behind several levels is a damper on your effectiveness.

>>48048135
Okay, "slices and DICES" and "chips" I get. What's with the houses?

>>48043003
It basically stems from DND class and race imbalance. Casters are better than martials 3.5, PF, and 5e, which are basically the biggest ones played right now. Because of this, choosing a flashy, caster class is seen as power gaming, when really it's just "I'd like to have something to do outside of combat".

Additionally, 3.5pf had a long history of overpowered races added in splat books. So picking anything outside the basics (elf/dwarf/human) was also seen as a sign of power gaming.

>>48057022
what
i thought it was just a visual gag