>Turning a huge powerful showstopper that decks are built

> 13/13 flying trample
>Protection from most removal
>Mindslaver

>average

I knew /tg/ was terrible at magic but I never realized it had gotten this bad.

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I know this is gonna make me sound like one of those faggots who come out of the woodworks to justify shit Wizards does, but did we really need another card on par with old Emrakul?

I mean it's already the nuclear bomb of creatures. It hits the board and you win most of the time. Did we really need another on that level?

>>47900026
>Protection from most removal
lol

>>47900063
>take over their turn
>use their removal on their own creatures
>"go"
>attack them for 13 in the air next turn

:^)

>>47900089
>counter it
>problem solved

>>47899812
If you control the actions of your opponent, what's to stop you from having them concede?

>>47900131
The rules

>>47900131
You can't do that. You control player's game actions, conceding is meta-game action.
Also it was clarified in Mindslaver ruling.

>>47900131
>>47900139
I want you two to notice that you gain control of target OPPONENT, which means you could literally set on fire his whole deck on his behalf.

>>47900160
>not making your opponent do something that gets them disqualified from Magic for the next few years

Step up your game.

>>47900160
So you can literally force them to have sex with you. Now this is interesting. MTG become lot more interesting

>>47899812
>what is Declaration in stone
>journey to nowhere
>bonfire of the damned
>any counterspell or discard spell
>kek quicken+sorcery even

Compared to OG emracool this is a bullshit card. It's lowest CMC is 6. That means you need to create a shitty deck to make 1 card playable. It'll be cute in standard for a bit. If this card ever had any impact on the modern or legacy metas then people would literally just run more counterspells and discard.

>mfw it doesn't even have the shuffle into library from graveyard clause
>literally unplayable trash

>>47900026
Your heading down a ruinous path.

>>47900186
You're thinking too small.
Why make your opponent suck you off when you can make him suck off the entire shop?
Why not the whole town? Country? World?
This is the most powerful card ever printed.
>Wizards: No sense of right or wrong

>>47900396
Somehow i missed that it's not at all indestructible. So any wrath as well.

>>47900486
Neither was the original Emrakul

>>47899812
>giant fatass with mindslaver on a stick
>its only got halfassed protected
0/10 uninspired shit would not play in eternal.

>>47900396
>no annihilator
>goes down like a complete bitch
>can't even shuffle back into its own deck
>way overcosted to shit
>to use one of its abilities is damn near impossible
i agree.

Wait, is this real and in the next expansion? Card is a letdown but it's going to be hilarious watching all those "nuh uh, it's totally not going to be emrakul!" morons eat their words... except now every one of them is just going to claim they were arguing for the other side back then.

>>47900396

She is weak but you missed something, not having the shuffle into library clause is actually a benefit. That effect was always meant as a drawback to prevent reanimating these giant creatures, by not putting it on that allows you to have some reasonable outlet for getting this onto the board without having to actually cast it.

>>47900558
But he was uncounterable and had pro all colors and gave you a TRUE extra turn and discarding him just put it back in your deck.
IMO the reprints of the lesser 2 eldrazi were cool and flavorful. Wizards tried too hard to complete the trifecta here and dropped the ball.
Ok they had to nerf him a little i understand but why not just come up with a different balanced threat instead of ruining its identity.
>emracool is not the all powerful god-being it once was
>nahiri's housepet now
>will probably be destroyed anti climacticly by jace and company
I can keep going on as to why this just doesn't work lore wise, how he's not accurately represented card-wise but the best thing to do is be happy we have a 13/13 for potentially 6 mana in standard, because that's all it will really be.

>>47900684
True i did miss reanimation. Congrats you have shown me 1 upside to this card.

>>47900684
yeah but reanimating it just gets you a fatty, doesn't let you go full lolmindslaver so thats not hitting reanimator any time soon.

I will forgive WotC for this disappointing card if they make Geralf and Ludevic team up to create their own Lovecraftian frankenstein horror that fights Emrakul Pacific Rim style.

>>47900100
You still control your opponent's next turn. It isn't ETB it is casting that triggers its affect.

Who else is taking a break from this game for a while?

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>>47901128
please this, i would cum buckets

>>47899812
What's up with that flavor text?

>be anyone
>see a 300-foot-tall tentacled fungus casually destroying the whole world
>"Oh, my, what a vexing enigma!"

>>47901423

I stopped buying cards years ago, don't know why anyone would when you can just play for free and the product has been such garbage.

>>47900058
pretty much this, I play goryo's vengeance in modern and tin fins in legacy if our deck got more consistency wotc would ban it into the ground.

>>47899812
I now want to run this with that card that makes people skip extra turns for extra shenanigans.

>>47900026
I cast stasis snare. You can use my turn to fuck me over if you want, but you're not getting that 13/13 flyer.

>>47900396
I cast infinite obliteration. I name Emrakul.

If you don't have it, that's fine. But if you do, congrats your wincon can fuck off.

>>47900457
>Why make your opponent suck you off when you can make him suck off the entire shop?

>Opponent is gagging, has only sucked off you and 4 other neckbeards
>Still has 20 more to go
>Can't finish them all off in time, game goes to turns
>Gets a warning for slow play

>>47901965
Fuck off namefag

>>47901915
For the time you can do that, you would be dredged like 40 times

The first Emrakul is absolute cancer and never should have been printed, let alone designed. It's okay to have more powerful creatures as the game progresses, but Oldrakul was bear YGO levels of power creep.

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>>47901953

>>47902314
>Putting cards from exile into hand

I fucking hate eldrazi so fucking much. I'm actually happy Emrakul shows up in this set so the Jacetice league can kill her and end this shitty tribe once and for all. Ugin can go blow his dad.

>>47902277
I agree with you fully.

The main problem was Annihilator. Nothing should of had more than Annihilator 2. Aeon's Torn 6 was just adding insult to death.

>>47902360
Ugin's going to make an Eldrazi zoo or something to protect them.

He's going to put them on your favorite plane before you get there.

>>47902576
You make an interesting point. What if Ugin's plan was not just contain the Eldrazi Titans, but to study, and control them. Or even worse become one. Drana was able to kill that Eldrazi mini boss and absorb it's power. What if Ugin did that to all three of the Titans?

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>>47902576
>Eldrazi on Lorwyn

>>47901128
>Get in the zombie, Shinji

>>47900696
>he

>>47901716
Why would you play if it's been garbage for years?

>>47899812
>It's another tg fails to predict magics meta thread
Remember if you say everything sucks and is terrible you're bound to be right some of the time

>>47901296
They can still counter it in response to you casting it. Its not like it instantly becomes their turn as soon as you cast it and they lose control. They still have multiple opportunities to cast instants during the rest of your turn.

>>47900026
>tfw nothing will ever have protection from clip wings

good feel.

Fuck you vendilion clique, fuck you emrakul(s)

It's a great feeling when your opponent realizes he can't do shit against clip fucking wings

>>47900100
>implying this didn't work on original Emrakul
this one is also a possible reanimator target, though losing the on cast effect is big here.

>>47900396
>declaration
controlling the next turn helps a lot here. Same with journey
>bonfire
For 13?
>any counterspell or discard spell
worked against old Emrakul just as well. And most everything else. This is worse than 'dies to removal'.
>quicken mentioned as card people actually play.

Getting it to CMC 8 is much more reasonable, and that means it's easier to cast without access to tron than original Emrakul. It also stays in the yard, so it's open to reanimator strategies if you just want to win with a 13/13 flying trampler.

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>>47903692

>>47903822
just rain on my parade don't you

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>>47903692
Why does everyone forget best angel?
Also the fact that her new form fucks up emrakul is neat.

>>47900026
You do realize they get the their 'normal turn' after you minds leaver them right?

Don't get me wrong, minds leaver is a good effect, but part of what makes it so good is that you effectively not only make your opponent waste a turn and make bad plays for them, but also 'gain' a turn after that. With how new-Emmy is worded, you lost what can easily be seen as the best effect of the mindslaver which is that "extra" turn.

Also if they have a wrath in hand there's pretty much nothing you can do about it. You effectively discard their targeted removal and play their creatures, then they get the turn to wrath and still have a chance to come back.

>>47904423
*mindslaver* holy fuck phone.

>>47904477
if you put it as "mind's lever", it actually makes sense.

Are we going to be stuck with anus mana for the rest of magic history just for the sake of ~20 card in oath of the gatewatch?

>>47900696
Emerakul gave innistrad pro blue, making all blue things except snapcaster suck. Snappy moved to tarkir anyways.

>>47904692
I don't honestly know what the issue people have with anus mana is. It differentiates colorless mana specifically from 'any color' mana. It seems like a reasonable thing to do overall.

>>47902954
>you are the zombies, Shinji.

>>47904922
They haven't used it anywhere else and we're going to have anus producing land for ever without new card to use it

>>47900186

>Greasy neckbeards suking themselves off

You really don't want to see it happen mate.

>>47905495
So like most mechanics and keywords they've ever done?

>>47905704
It doesn't compare to anything I can think of.
It's like if they kept printing spell with arcane subtype and no new split onto arcane cards.

>>47905821
Are they still printing Wastes?

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>>47905836

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>>47905858
So? (1) = (<>) now, why do you care? It's literally the same as before, but with added clarity just in case.

Only reason I can see that this would be a problem, is when you get or require a lot of colorless mana for something, but even then it's better to write "(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)(<>)" than "(6), only use mana from colorless cards to use this".

>>47900396
There are eight card types. Tribal isn't that bad, it's got Lignify, Bitterblossom, Eyeblight's Ending, All Is Dust, Elvish Promenade, Nameless Inversion, and Boggart Shenanigans.

>>47905953
eight? I know only about seven.

>>47906043
The card types are artifact, conspiracy, creature, enchantment, instant, land, phenomenon, plane, planeswalker, scheme, sorcery, tribal, and vanguard.

>>47905900
As I said in my first post, my gripe is that it only matter for some card of one set.
It would've be fine if kept using it from then onward.

>>47906074
Who says they won't? As I said, this is them keeping their options open just in case.

I mean, it's theoretically hard castable on turn 4 if you can play some mana dorks and dump your library into the graveyard, but I somehow suspect that is not a practical scenario.

>>47906103

1: Forest, BoP
2: Forest, Bop, Lightning Greaves
3: Forest, Traumatize
4: Forest, Emrakul, Equip Emrakul

I present the worst combo in Modern history

>>47906147

also I don't know why I wrote combo

>>47906103
Even in Standard you can hard cast her on turn 6 without even much effort.

Problem is that it's far better to cast her against a strong enemy board to make sure you can use their removal on their own creatures.

>>47905495
>>47904692
>>47905821
>>47906074
>I'm retarded

>>47903722
Are you stupid? Or maybe I am. Original cant be countered.

>>47900089
>they have clip wings in hand
=(
>they get a second fucking turn and top deck ruinous path or any of the million sorcery or envhantment removals
=(
>he gets countered
=(
>their hand is empty
=(


He's fucking shit you limp cuckold. Take another round in the ass from wizards.

>>47900590
>can be cast for as low as 6 (but realistically gonna be something like 7-9
>offs something like 2-3 enemy cards on cast, including those sorceries he might have had to kill it or enchantments
>cant be dealt with the turn it comes in since pro inst
>is probably gonna be shit on t2 for a while since stasis snare exists, but will probably see modern play anyway

>>47903658
But you still cast it regardless if she resolves.

Any more spoilers today or do we have to wait until the 27th or whatever?

>>47901669
It matches with Ulamog and Kozilek

>>47909497
All three of them are dumb, though. Three dumbs don't make a smart.

>>47901669
>Much enigma. Very vexing. Wow.

>>47901128

I am into that, yes. I would play Tribal Zombies just for that.

>>47903025
>has no style
>has no grace
>this Eldrazi will be killed by Jace

>let's make shit cards forever so modern/vintage faggots never have to update their metagame and can play the same decks against the same people forever and ever and ever!

powercreep arguments make me want to kill myself.

>>47909206
>game 2 only
>top deck 1 card for their now fucked up hand and board
>still get mindslaver eff
>they have no cards and this is somehow a bad thing
lmao

Dropping this for 8 on turn 4 in most ramp decks is game. And now they're forced to run otherwise shitty removal just for the offchance I may have a 13/13 8 drop in my deck.

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>>47909822
Ha! Hahahaha! HAHAHA
nah man

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>>47900026
All the people complaining that a ~10 mana 13/13 flyer trample isn't an I WIN NOW card is rather pathetic.

Back in my day, cards, good/almost broken cards for their time had draw backs; now the game has turned into all upside all the time. It feels almost gutted in the level of skill required.

>>47910647
Fuck off back to the early 90's, oldfag. It has nothing to do with skill. In fact, the powerlevel of cards has been slowly decreasing since Return to Ravnica. I'm sure, eventually, WotC will send us back into a shit hole with cards that gives us barely anything good for 6 mana or above.

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>>47909206
It's going to be so much fun when, in a few months time, Emrakul becomes the baddest top end threat in a ramp deck that drops her turn 5 or 6 and decks start boarding in clip wings to deal with her, then everyone on tg can do their usual 180 "duh it's great you limp cuckold, anyone with a brain could have seen how good it was from the moment it was spoiled".

>>47911135
nah, they'll start mainboarding clip wings because everyone's big threats happen to be flying so it's never a dead card

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>>47910647
odyssey was so fucking good, in a number of ways

>>47903920
Trust me I dont forget her.

She's my go to EDH voltron.

You want to target her? Too bad hexproof.
You want to force me too sac? TOO BAD.

Salty tears from players who have to wrath the board to make her stop

>>47911135
If that happens I will publicly apologize and quit my /tg/ hobbies forever.

But it won't because the card is trash. Chase rare at best.

>>47900026
13/13 trample flying is all it has going for it. That is admittedly pretty good.

Protection from instants is meh. There are so many removal cards that are sorceries it isn't even funny.

Way way worse than mindslaver.

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>>47911178
This and Onslaught.
>Odyssey
>Torment
>Judgment
>Onslaught
>Legions
>Scourge
Fucking amazing

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>>47911438
patrician taste

Probably the best limited/standard environment the game will ever see.

>>47911438
> tfw you went on haitus immediately after apocalypse and missed these sets

Why was I so dumb?

>>47901669
I suppose it's true, in a way
Life:
>Why does it exist?
Emrakul:
>WHY DOES THIS EXIST?!

>>47911574
I read that first as life just kinda wondering why Emrakul exists and Emrakul freaking the fuck out about life existing

>>47911683
>Emrakul razes planes because she's confused about the lifeforms there

>>47911135
No one would run emrakul when ulamog provides a two turn indestructible clock.

My only disappointment with this card is that you only get to control -one- opponent. Has Wizards forgotten that big dumb fatties are primarily played in EDH?

>>47899812
Holy fuck, it was confirmed? Eldritch moon is Emrakul?

>>47911930
That was the first spoiler, so yeah

>>47911930

It is confirmed, yes. Nahiri summoned Emrakul, and the cryptoliths are amplifying its power from the moment it touched down on Innistrad.

People, animals, and even goddamn tres and shit are exploding into mutant Eldrazi monsters, and Jace can't even THINK about Emrakul without becoming dangerously close to going mad himself.

Emrakul has been on Innistrad for less than a day, and absolutely everywhere is currently being overrun with eldritch horrors. Even if Emrakul was banished immediately, this would still be the most devastating thing to happen to Innistrad in millenia.

Jace has immediately peaced the fuck out to get help from the rest of the Gatewatch. Sorin is off doing Sorin things. Nahiri is wearing a party hat and using one of those annoying noise maker things.

And Lilianna is presumably off doing experiments with the Chain Veil that certainly won't be important in any way.

>>47911999

>that mental image of Nahiri with a rakishly tilted party hat, a spinny-clicky-thing, and the hateful, bitter glare imaginable, but still spinning the spinny-clicky-thing while Emrakul obliterates reality a few miles behind her, slightly out of focus.

>>47911955
>>47911999
Cool, I was hoping it would be her.

>>47911844
Ulamog comes out 1-2 turns later and can do arguably less damage than a well timed Emrakul can.

There will be some cheesy delirium build that can load the grave with a ton of card types and then drop consecutive emmys every turn, I can feel it.

>>47912030
Why is Nahiri so angry anyways?

>>47912044
sorin put her in the time out corner when she attacked him

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>>47911517
Cheers, brother

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>>47911999
>Nahiri summoned Emrakul

I didn't think I could love that girl even more, but here we are.

>>47912044

The Eldrazi almost got out once, Nahiri hit the 'RED ALERT' button, and no one showed up.

She tracked down Sorin and asked him "WTF, man, I thought you must be dead or something" and he admits that he must have blocked the call. Because, you know, he was setting up more defenses for Innistrad and he forgot about her.

This seems like a pretty benign mistake to Sorin. Nahiri, who Sorin talked into using her home plane of existence as a prison for plane-eating elder gods and then had to sign up for 'stay here and make sure nothing goes wrong FOREVER' duty, takes this kind of personally and realizes that Sorin doesn't really give a shit about her or her sacrifices and just sees her as a 40 year investment of time to make sure he would never have to think about the Eldrazi again forever.

So Nahiri challenges Sorin to a casual game of Magic: The Gathering, as was the custom in the days of Oldwalkers. Sorin realizes that Nahiri has grown strong enough to actually threaten him, spergs the fuck out, and has Avacyn banish her to the Helvault. Where he leaves her there for over a thousand years.

When she finally does get out when the Helvault is destroyed, she is kinda crazy from being trapped in isolation for a thousand years. And what does she find when she gets home?

All the Eldrazi are free an eating Zendikar, which happened because Nahiri was not there to keep watch on things. A fact which Nahiri lays squarely at Sorins feet.

Forced to conclude that Zendikar is already beyond saving, Nahiri has decided that the only way to get revenge on Sorin for his bullshit is to take away the only thing that he cares about: Innistrad.

Enter Emrakul, accomplice to revengeance.

>>47912044
Sorin and Ugin convinced her to use her plane as the prison for the Eldrazi, promising that they'd come help if anything happened.
A few millenia later, some vampires (who had never been part of Zendikar before) fucked around with the Eye of Ugin and nearly released them, and neither Sorin nor Ugin came. Nahiri fixed the problem, but wanted the other two to check things out to make sure everything was up to snuff. Not knowing where to find Ugin, she looked for Sorin first, since she spent a long while with the guy, him being her mentor and all.
Turns out he'd fairly recently created the Helvault and Avacyn, which blocked the distress signal. He decided to blow her off, she decided to show that she wasn't just some little weakling anymore to try to get him to respect her, both of them are idiots, the end result is that she got locked into the Helvault for a thousand years, with nothing but her mind and memories and the occasional demon to keep her company.
When the Helvault broke, she was suddenly mortal and incredibly weak, and assumed it was part of being stuck in the Helvault (not knowing the Mending happened). She immediately went to Zendikar, only to find that the Eldrazi were loose and eating the place. Having fought them before, and only having Ugin's carefully spoken disinformation to go by, she then thought Zendikar was doomed - she was too weak and the hedrons too out of alignment to recapture the Eldrazi before the plane died, and her experiences told her that even when she was stronger it was impossible to repel even one of them otherwise. And since she doesn't have any other information, and due to how he acted the last time she saw him, she can only assume that Sorin didn't even bother with helping out when they were freed. And is as strong as he was way back when
So instead she's decided that, since the Eldrazi are going to eat planes regardless, that the first one Emrakul should eat is Innistrad, instead of Nameless Plane #3567567

>>47912327
>So instead she's decided that, since the Eldrazi are going to eat planes regardless, that the first one Emrakul should eat is Innistrad, instead of Nameless Plane #3567567

Which, even ignoring all of the personal bullshit aside, is actually a form of justice. The first to pay for your failings should be you, not random bystanders.

>>47912376
>not random bystanders
that's what's happening right now, though

>>47912030
>Nahiri decides to bake a "Fuck Sorin" cake
>All the eggs have mutated
>There are Eldrazi rats in the flour
>The closest ovens are part of Hanweir
>She settles for a "Fuck Sorin" glass of water

>>47912037
Please. Ramp is more consistent, and ulamog is more consistent. Emmy had to be timed, not too early when theres not enough mana, not too late when theres no cards in hand. Ulamog on the board means they lose two things, and have a clock. Emmy is kitchen table magic.

>>47899812
Eldrazi are shit so they deserve the treatment

>>47902576
>Eldrazi on Dominaria
Kamahl's got this.

>>47912451
There's going to be a shitload of people dying regardless. That's what happens when something is labelled a 'world-eater'
This way, the inhabitants of Whatever Plane Emrakul Would've Eaten are safe, at least for longer, while the one who caused the Eldrazi to be released loses what he cares about (or at least, that's what Nahiri is likely thinking).
It should be noted, however, that now that Emrakul is there, she has no reason to actually stay there - as far as she knows, they can't be defeated or repelled, and there's certainly not a hedron network in place on Innistrad to trap the fucker. Innistrad is as good as gone. If she IS staying, it's either to watch everything burn down or to do that and go down with the place

>>47912596
I guess the moral of the story is that nahiri is mad and also kind of dumb

>>47911267
Mind slaver costs 10 mana to go off the turn you cast it and you don't get a creature. New emrakul costs 8-9 and leaves you with a 13/13 flying trample.

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>Emrakul EMERGES and shit ESCALATES

>>47912501
the sarpadian thrulls could take the eldrazi all at once

reminder that they completely repelled the phyrexian invasion without outside assistance

dem keywords

Will escalate be more like entwine or kicker though?

>>47912596
She has a perfectly good reason to stay there.

Finish off Sorin. Which she knows is what Sorin wants as I doubt the grudge collection was any smaller when they were cool. And no one else on that list would have "killed family and destroyed world" under their belt.

Not taking care of business now would not just be anti-climactic but also really stupid, not to mention, one of the reasons she started this grudge from the get go.

>>47912629
Mindslaver doesn't grant him another turn.
>>47912664
True. I hope we get another Origins/time spiral that would show us those boys.

>>47912306
This is the best description that I have seen yet which lends empathy to Nahiri

>>47912664
And if not, just find some way to res Urza.

>>47912731
honestly the thrull powerlevels make me more curious about the havenwood thallids, which are the only things that the thrulls don't fuck with

>>47912723
As far as she knows, Sorin is just as strong as he was way back when they first sealed the Titans. Possibly stronger. And it's just her that's stuck with flesh and blood mortal-body anymore, and thus susceptible to those Vindicates he loves to fling around that she used to be able to just shrug off

>>47912776
And that didn't stop her before.

>>47906066
Now eliminate all of the ones that can't be in your Graveyard.

>>47911113
>the powerlevel of cards has been slowly decreasing since Return to Ravnica

>siege rhino
>dromoka's command
>collected company
>treasure cruise and dig through time
>jeskai ascendancy
>the new gideon
>the new nissa
>jace vryn's prodigy
>kolaghan's command
>den protector
>tireless tracker
>sylvan advocate
>my dick
>newlamog
>reality smasher
>thought knot guy
>The Gitrog Motherfucker
>Archangel Avacyn
>Declaration in Stone
>nahiri planeswalker

you feeling ok anon? almost everything listed sees play in modern, some in legacy and a few in vintage. some of them were so good they were literally banned before they could even rotate out of standard while others are currently breaking eternal formats in half with their bullshit synergy

>>47912791
She was an oldwalker herself before. She wasn't flesh and blood and could tank killspells just like he could tank getting skewered a few times.
Then the Mending happened and now neither can do that...but Nahiri doesn't know that. She only knows that she herself is superweak now, not that Sorin got nerfed the same way.

Channel + emrakul was so much fun at the kitchen table

escalate's sorta like both entwine and kicker

more mana you pay, more shit you get

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>Thread full of Betas
Step back fags

>>47912956
I can finally make a Commander deck

>>47912944
>Escalate
U wot m8

>>47912956

i honestly dont know why they made this absolute turd a mythic rare

about as vanilla as a flip creature can ask to be, there's uncommon werewolves with more depthy and impressive mechanics than this

>>47912944
sounds like multikicker to me famalam

>>47913008
>leaked keyword

lel

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>>47910647
>>47911178
>>47911438
>>47912306
>>47912327
>>47912841

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>>47913038
Because EDHfags will still buy it.

Speaking of flip cards, now we wait for the front side to this.

>>47913084
Considering everything they built up for Hanweir, I'm really hoping it doesn't suck ass.
Knowing my track record for hoping Wizards doesn't do stupid shit, it's going to be the junkiest rare in the set

>>47913038
Well. Shit.

>>47913131
Depends on how hard it is to flip.

Odds are its going to be some garbage colorless producing land with some absurd flip cost.

>>47912918
>Not Black Lotus into Channel for turn 1 Emrakul

I only managed to pull it off once but that was by far the funnest deck I have ever drafted.

>>47913166
It's a red card, based on its collector number.
There's still the unfortunately very real chance of it having some ridiculously garbage flip condition/cost while having a shitty front side.

>>47911517
I thought onslought block was supposed to have a terrible limited (wasn't playing limited back then, though my brother bought the wake and ug madness world championship decks with fake cards) the standard decks were really fun, but the format seemed to have made sacrifices in deck building in doing so. Definitely worth it for a standard, don't think I'd prefer it over kamigawa-ravnica in general though, but it's certainly not far off.

>>47913183
Yeah. Never owned black lotus. Turn 2 was brutal enough.

>>47912327
It wasn't vampires. it was Nissa. After Sorin told her not too.

because Nissa is a massive racist cunt-monster, which has been walked back in the lore despite her being the actual reason for the deaths of most of zendikar.

I just want the shrew.

>>47913421
onslaught limited's main problem was it came right after odyssey's, which was absolutely impeccable

Morph and all the tribal effects made limited pretty interesting.

>>47913446
It was indeed vampires...when it happened a thousand years ago.
Which is a different incident from when Nissa broke the Eye three years ago or so after Anowan suggested it, she said 'no that's dumb' and Sorin decided to magically strangle the both of them.

>>47912754
Thallids are thrulls made by elves with knowledge from the Ebon Hand, creators of the og ones. They were made for food supply I think, I need to read the books again.

>>47913623
You're half right, they're not thrulls, but made in a similar way.

thrulls are corpses infused with black mana
thallids are fungus infused with green mana

both eventually evolved into intelligence and kicked their masters out

Where is today's spoiler?
Are we only getting three and a half cards this week? Where are the leaks? What about the disappointment decks?

>>47914030
Who fucking knows what Wizards is thinking.

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>>47899812
They could at least make her indestructible.

Emrakul was always been too vulnerable to removal to seem as powerful as it should.

>>47914398
>protection from colored spells is too vulnerable to removal

I don't have enough wews to properly express my exasperation lad

>>47914398
Bait?

>>47914398
That was only ever Ulamog's thing.
What they should've done is kept the uncounterablility and left the rest, honestly - don't forget that this is Cost Reduction Emrakul rather than Only Played By Cheating Out Emrakul. They're expecting people to try to hardcast it, so it should at least be guaranteed to come out when you do.

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>>47914469
when you're not immune to the best removal in the game it's not impressive.

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>>47913038
There are really cool werewolves for EDH, this is my favourite, specially because I play in a playgroup of 6.

I was lucky enough to open a foil one at prerelease too. Beautiful card.

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>>47914398
Who the hell makes these?

>>47914540
People are seriously underestimating being able to cast this thing for 7-8 extremely easily, assfucking your opponents board into an irreparable state, and then giving them a 13/13 flyer to deal with that can only die to bad sorceries noone runs.

People cite Ulamog does more damage with the double exile but not only is he more expensive on average but he dies to all the exile based removal nowadays. Also you can do much more damage than 2 exile with this bitch.

>crash all of their creatures into yours
>play all of their removal on their own stuff
>neg them into oblivion
who cares if they get a turn after the mindslaver, they dont have a gamestate anymore.

>>47914545
Just because an answer exists doesn't undo that fact that Emrakul is immune to 99% of the removal in Magic.

Or do you want them to print Progenitus with Indestructible and a "can't leave the battlefield" clause just so everybody starts Sneak and Showing that?

>>47914705
>7-8 extremely easily
Are you joking? Do you know how often That many card types are in the grave for goyf?

Its going to be 9-10 mana without fail.

>>47914748
Fetchland, sorc, instant, creature, artifact is not hard in a deck geared to ramp her out. Not even counting if you dump an Ugin or an enchentment something in there too.

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>>47914773
>Artifact
>Standard
Nice joke, you planning on playing Hangarback in a shitty ramp deck now?

You know what creature you can cast for that much mana that will win you the game one hell of a lot better in standard?

All of that is super laughable on top of that considering standard is pretty damn aggressive right now also.

>>47914748
>T1 play fetch and crack it. Drop a Memnite
>T2 cast Cabal Therapy, sac Memnite for flashback.
>T3 Harrow into something that makes mana (rocks, BoP, etc.)
>T4 ramp
>T5-6 hardcast Emmy
>Honorable mention to Dead Weight, any playable enchantment creature, Ill Gotten Gains

It's not that hard if you build for it. Goyf works because it's going to be 3/4 minimum even went you don't build around it

>>47914857
>Remand
The only way Emracool would see play is in a low power standard, its way too weak for eternal formats in part to how weak it is to countermagic.

Not to mention Jund would laugh its ass off at you trying to play it in modern.

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>>47914854
?

Shit, Oath of Nissa and Chandra see play in ramp too. In long ramp games it's not hard for them to hit the grave.

Ulamog is solid and straightforward, true, but Emrakul absolutely definitely wins the game if she hits. And if she doesn't? You can cast 2 more for nothing and lets you vomit everything while your opponent has nothing to defend or come back with.

>>47914398
Emrakul (20)

Emrakul, the Aeons Torn can't be countered.
Emrakul's mana cost must be paid entirely in colored mana.
When you cast Emrakul, take an extra turn after this one.
Flying, protection from colored spells, annihilator 6
Emrakul cannot be exiled.
Emrakul cannot be sacrificed.
When Emrakul is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles his or her graveyard into his or her library.

>>47912306
>>47912327

Thanks for these synopses, I'm a different anon and this phrasing actually makes me appreciate Nahiri's decision in a different light. Makes the vengeance plot a lot more relateable.

>>47914935
>No toughness
>Can't be sacrificed

You just broke the game wide open my man.

>>47914899
who said anything about playability? I'm just trying to call people out on being retarded for saying a build-around-me card is impossible to build around.

>>47914748
in standard, in a B/R eldrazi deck I can get this thing to cast for 8 easy.

Land, Instant, Sorcery, Creature, Artifact.

and in THIS current standard you can UTTERLY buttfuck the most popular decks once you get their turn.

you even get to do the ole "Can I see your Sideboard" shit.

playtested it online and I basically got to use Sorin to kill another planeswalker he had, killing Sorin in the process, animate his own mainland and Dec in Stone it, swing his Kalitas into Emrakul, and cast Secure the wastes for nothing.

>>47914854
Hedron Archive

Tron has so many fun win cons now. MonoU Tron might like this guy as even more mindslavering.

>>47914993
sorry, I meant U/R eldrazi, derp.

this is also the Control/Ramp deck that just counters fucking everything up to that as well.

Does Emrakul have any influence over black mana creatures at all?

>>47915056
no, Eldrazi in General have a sort of problem with Mortal black mana beings, because Black Mana is the mana of the self.

its why Drana resisted transforming back into an Eldrazi (she and the other Vamp sires on Zendikar evolved from Eldrazi) her Black Mana and sense of self kept her together.

>>47915029
>MonoU Tron might like this guy as even more mindslavering
Dumbest thing in this whole thread. Slaver lock is a million times stronger and more reliable.

Mono U tron doesn't lack win cons, it lacks the ability to not die to literally every deck in modern.

>>47915073
Sounds like classic phyrexians would shit on Eldrazi then.

>>47915073
>GW is good for tokens and tons of weenies
>B is the enemy color of both G and W
FLAVOR

>>47912596
Emrakul is probably going to die in the most unhype way possible.

Considering Liliana's PW card is called the "the Last Hope", I totally expect Chain Veil asspulls.

>>47915098
being able to resist Eldrazification doesn't mean you get to win the battle, against the Multiverses Antibodies.

the Gatewatch had a very unique plan to get them, which required someone attuned to a massively large Plane that granted her access to all its mana.

the Phrexians aren't so clever, they'd just try and do battle with it and die.

>>47915130
any way it dies would be lamblasted regardless of how cool or belivable it was.

magic kids would rather a plotline never close or end, but also never want to go back to a plane, infinite contradictions.

>>47915098
Mate, we're still talking about 20 meter+ tall monsters that are more than capable of ruining your day with brute force.

>>47915088
I always assumed people ran monoU tron over any of the good versions for the meme milage.

Are you saying another Emrakul (not!)Mindslaver isnt meme milage?

>>47913084

Anyone got the full art for this?

>>47915130
>>47915166
eldrazi dying at all is fucking stupid.

Then again I don't know why you guys expect literally anything from the story after Gatewatch pretty much shat all over everything before and turned the game into Magic: The Avengers cardgame

>>47915130
>Lilliana shows up and saves them all
>Just because I used to be super evil and selfish as shit doesn't mean I don't have a good guy hear bakas

>>47915173
the Titans themselves are thousands of feet tall.

and that is just their projected selves, the "full" titan is much larger, just look at the art for Emrakul the Promised End.

its tentacle is 40 meters.. ACROSS.

>>47915192
they could always be killed, it was just always going to take a massive effort.

anything that NEEDS TO EAT can DIE.

>>47915185
The other guy never getting to take a turn ever again is one hell of a lot more meme magic than taking their turn once.

>>47915136
Yawgmoth could probably solo the Eldrazi himself, especially considering two of them got punked by shitty neowalkers.

>>47915246
Yawgmoth got aced by a fucking mechanical contraption.

he was just a big ole thing of black Mana, they would LITERALLY EAT HIM ALIVE because he is in the most vunerable form imaginable against them.

>>47915166
I would be fine if there were a denizen of the plane that dealt with its planes problems.

But nope every problem needs to be solved by these plane trotting super friends with their
>AND THEN WE REALIZED WE WERE STRONG AND BURNED IT TO DEATH GGNORE

>>47915192
>Gatewatch
They havnt cared about the story since they made the mending to justify poweranger: sliders edition.

Ravnica was a lore reck from RtR, not just Gatewatch.

>>47915195
> "For the sake of Jace's cock, I'll keep watch."

>>47915166
>>47915214
"Kill it with fire" was an incredible let down. I would totally expect Emrakul to get eaten by Liliana's zombies at the current rate of story writing.

>>47915324
>I would totally expect Emrakul to get eaten by Liliana's zombies
AND THEN LILLIANA WITH A HEART FILLED WITH GOOD MADE A BILLION SUPER ANGELS FROM HER LOVE OF PUPPIES AND THEY ALL BEAT UP THE BAD GUYS AND FIXED EVERYTHING.

>>47915324
they had to make them Mortal first, it was a concetrated effort.

also Fire, enough of it, kills any thing in Magic, Barrin taught you nothing?

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>Thalia and Saint Traft just fused in a previous UR.

>Thalia takes on the power of all the noble Dead on Innistrad and basically goes Super Ghost/Saiyan and fights Emrakul 1v1 to hold her off.

>this kicks in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmU9e67EfmI

>>47902767
I've always been suspicious that Ugin is evil...

Guys imagine this:

>Jacetice league kills Emrakul in some dumb channel-fireball way
>Ugin shows up "I told you not to do this dawgs..."
>Mending is now unmade
>A portal opens up
>Yawgmoth rolls in
>It's Yawgmoth from alternate reality where phyrexians won
>He instantly turns Chandra/Liliana into his cumdumps, makes a goblet from Gideon's skull and turns Jace into his personal twink.
> The next set to commemorate this Dredge and Storm mechanics are back, and Maro commits sudoku

>>47915432
Thalia needs to wipe that disgusting dirt off her face

>>47915402
this.
Also, by the looks of things, there's no way to pull the mana spaghetti bomb again
>>47915432
>Implying Saint Traft isn't her stand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFjE5A4UAJI

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>>47899812
Well, Newrakul is pretty much the perfect Goryo target. Plus, in such graveyard-based decks Emrakul's cost reduction could be pretty significant.

You could for example cast Goryo's Vengeance, then cast that new blue spell, Coax from the Blind Eternities to return it from exile to your hand, then cast it for the reduced cost. Pretty powerful if not as broken as the original was.

>>47915434
he's far worse than Evil, he's True Neutral.

>>47915443
It would be great if Magic's last set was a 'bad end; where the mending was undone, the entire multiverse is completely fucked, and every plane is edrich horror phyrexian tier.

And Urza and Yagmoth are married, as it should have been.

>>47915455
>a stand that lets her summon another Stand

OOOH MY GAAAAWDD.

SON OF A BIIIITCH.

>>47915270
It's literally down to what the writers decided in such an encounter, but I doubt it would be so simple as that, especially given that the mana cloud was only a single form Yawgmoth could take.

>>47915472
More than goryo, I think the UR through the breach decks you see show up in modern online sometimes will use the Coax card. Grishoalbrand and the other versions might as well, but I dont see any of them playing the Newrakul.

>>47915495
>Stand^2

>>47915472
>Newrakul is pretty much the perfect Goryo target
Old is still better.

>>47915495
>Odric is Joseph
>Thalia is Jotaro

>>47915524
look.. Yawgmoth was an idiot, a very, very lucky idiot.

his advisors were the crafty ones, he didn't have a strategic bone in his body.

>>47915549
>a man known for fighting vampires in his youth.

it fits too well.

all hopes lies in the new Blue/White Thalia/Traft combo card thats coming out.

>>47915559
Neither do the Eldrazi, however.

The matter isn't intelligence, but power.

>>47915559
>an idiot

he was a doctor/scientist with no empathy. Political idiot? maybe, but after a certain point your so powerful it probably didnt matter to him.

>>47915602
they destroy entire planes, Yawgmoth spent 10 thousand years trying to invade and destroy 1.

>>47915644
Only to nearly destroy the entire plane despite being against Urza, who is MTG Jesus, and the entire justice league of oldwalkers who also had thousands of years to prepare and the benefit of many of the most overpowered artifacts to exist in the MTG universe.

Compared to the eldrazi, who were sealed by only 3 newwalkers, and later punked by a pyromancer.

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>>47915543
Old cannot be the target of Goryo's vengeance because of the clause on the card that makes you shuffle you shuffle your graveyard into your deck when Emmy goes there from anywhere.

New lacks the clause and its protection from instants means its immune to most instant-speed removal during the pne turn you get.

Really, it's a fantastic beater, the best one there is imho.

>>47915727
>Old cannot be the target of Goryo's vengeance
Just shut the fuck up you damned troglodyte.

>>47915727
>Old cannot be the target of Goryo's vengeance because of the clause on the card that makes you shuffle you shuffle your graveyard into your deck when Emmy goes there from anywhere
Are you retarded?

You cast it in response to the trigger, this has been a deck for years now.

>>47915708
the Sealers were all Old walkers on par with Urza, also Urza wasn't the most powerful Old walker even in his group of peers.

just the man with the plan, that failed, because of him.

>>47915779
> just the man with the plan, that failed, because of him.

Except it still worked out in the end, just with alot more dead people, including himself.

>>47914398
Emrakul's not even indestructible. If you've got something big enough, or a ton of blockers that can reach it, then it just goes away back into your opponent's deck.

>>47915727
>Old cannot be the target of Goryo's vengeance
I wish this were bait, but then I remember Im in a /tg/ magic thyread.

I hope you get rekt by some emrakul goryo shit at a FNM so I can read you bitch here later about how its bullshit. Fucking scrub, just quit while your behind.

>>47915802
the Legacy Weapon was never the end plan, it was an idea he mulled over and rejected, it was the last ditch.

the 9 Titans plan was THE PLAN, and Urza himself foiled it twice over.

Windgrace and Feyalise couldn't believe they had to be apart of that shitshow.

>>47915727
>Old cannot be the target of Goryo's vengeance
I want you to step back and maybe consider for the briefest moment that you're completely and utterly wrong.

And no, it's a terrible beater especially compared to any of the Eldrazi with Annihilator.

>>47912810
>1. artifact
>2. creature
>3. enchantment
>4. instant
>5. land
>6. planeswalker
>7. sorcery
>8. tribal
Faggot.

>>47915803
Neither was Kozilek.

Lore-wise, the Eldrazi are only projections in the plane, like the hand in the jar. Killing the projection would only hack off the hand. Yet another reason why the whole "bind them to reality and fry them" in OGW was fucking stupid.

>>47915834
Did he really expect to kill Yawgmoth with Soul Bombs?

>>47913421
Playing tribal in limited is fucking difficult when each color has at least three tribes.

>>47915779
Even so, 3 to seal the Eldrazi, 9 to beat Phyrexia, and they still had to resort to the legacy weapon.

Ultimately, I'd be curious how the eldrazi would react to the glistening oil.

>>47915742
>>47915770
>>47915821
>>47915839
Autism much?

>>47915492
implying the last set won't be a return to kamigawa with a new mechanic called superstorm

>>47915888
first of all they didn't Bind them, they PULLED THEM FROM THE BLIND ETERNITIES, the "Whole" them.

then they used up most of the mana on the plane and the mana they were eating to nuke them.

second, the Soul Bomb Plan was totally going to work

>>47915898
they aren't physical beings, so they wouldn't react at all, the Titans are beings of pure energy and were forced into somewhat fleshy bodies by Ghost Fire.

>>47915917
Where was Emrakul when all this was going on?

>>47915930
in transit to Innistrad.

Nahiri had already started summoning Her.

>>47915888
>Did he really expect to kill Yawgmoth with Soul Bombs?
yes? he wasn't killing yawgmoth, he was killing phyrexia.

>>47915906
>I was just pretending to be retarded!

git gud.

>>47915970
>I was just pretending to be retarded!
Or was I?

>>47915927
I would add that if the oil can't work with spark, I think it wouldn't work on the Eldrazi.
I don't have any proof on that but I'm guessing the oil just don't like whatever deals with the blind eternities.

>>47912483
Why not both? Emmy slaps the shit out of most token decks, attacking in the air is a relevant ability.

>>47902797
>Eldrazi
>Lorwyn
Tribal cards come back. calling it now.

>>47916093
Yeah. Your probably not pretending.

>>47912841
>There are some good fringe cards, therefore powerlevel of cards hasn't been slowly decreasing
Anon, please.
Also third of those are mostly standard only with some minor play in other formats like Modern and Commander. What you're doing here is like me claiming that kamigawa was extremely high powerlevel wise by only cherry picking the cards that have stood the test of time.

>>47900058
I think we have to acknowledge this as the most rational post in the thread.

There will always be the "best" creature to cheat out. At the moment it's Emrakul or Gristlebrand. We don't need something better than either of those fuckers. They've set the high-water mark forever, which I'm grateful for. Because it means that so long as you have a playset of each you won't have to buy another fat uncastable fatty ever again for Constructed.

>>47900437
buh dun shh

>>47912629
Activating mindslaver combo automatically wins the game
casting this not

>>47912841
>New nissa in modern
>New gideon in modern
>Your dick in modern
>Meme ascendancy
The only cards that worth of that list were banned.

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>>47913166
>>47913203

>it's flip effect turns out to be clue-based

Unpopular opinions?

I think that new Werewolf will have a broken combo were you flip it a bunch of times to give things stacks of +4+4, while also removing creatures.

New Emrakul looks fancy, but it's only going to be $10 because of two reasons:
>Old Emrakul is much better and that is $30
>Mindslaver is $5

That 3 mana return eldrazi's from exile will make all of the eldrazi's briefly skyrocket in price, particularly spawnsire or whatever, but in the end the set will have a hard-counter eldrazi neuter.

The new Liliana will be the most expensive card in the set with some sort of absurdly broken combo.

>>47915434
I'll be more upset if he turns out not to be evil. All dragons should be power hungry douchebags. Ugin's just in it for the long con

>>47916842
If you can play arlinn, then the alpha you get a 10/10 turn 5 with vigilance and haste.

>>47916360
Savage

>>47913084
Well, it's going to be a legendary land, right?

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>>47915189
I got you famalam, would love a higher rez picture though.

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>Still no spoiler today

>>47900026
>Protection from most removal
ha, no.
>Mindslaver
mindslaver didn't give your opponent a free turn to unfuck themselves.

>>47917159
Mindslaver also doesn't swing for 13

>>47917169
Mindslaver doesn't give your opponent an extra turn to react.

>>47917169
Emrakul isn't an artifact and can't go infinite

>>47917186
>Cloudstone Curio + Ornithopter

only requires 1 more card than a Slaver lock, so hard to go infinite

>>47917223
How the fuck is that a lock you moron, your opponent still gets a turn.

>>47917223

That requires two cards that aren't that great on their own. They're ONLY good in the combo and they do shit else while you're waiting on it. Mind Slaver is powerful as a one of, easier to invest in, probably more resistant to removal than your 3 card combo, and goes infinite with a bunch of lands (meaning they don't waste valuable deck slots).

This isn't replacing the Mind Slaver combo in any deck that runs it (Mono U Tron I guess?).

>>47917223
>>47917295

Also doesn't even work unless you can take the artifact type off of the thopter.

>>47917155
I feel you. Not sure why they're being so tight-fisted with spoilers this season.

>>47917405
my bad, Dryad Arbor then

>>47903769
>any counterspell
>worked against old Emrakul
Anon I...

>>47915455
>Implying Thalia isn't Jolyne

I SUMMON MY STAND, 「SAINT TRAFT」!

ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA

Does Sorin have 「The World」 as a Stand? It only makes sense.

>>47918054
No, Sorin's stand is his sword. It can stretch and shoot lasers

>>47918054

Sorin's stand was Avacyn.

>>47918224
He can't just kill his own stand

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>doing Eldrazi
>AGAIN

>>47912629
Mindslaver allows you to take your turn, end their turn while hopefully burning some of their resources and then you take another turn.
Newmakrul allows you to take your turn, draw them an extra card with the hope that you can burn some of their resources, and then they take a normal turn.

>>47899812
I really just hope the Jacestice league kills Emrakul so they won't bring the Eldrazi back to fuck up and waste another good plane

Newlamog >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newmrakul>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Newzelek

>>47911999

Lily is actively on the plane and sending zombies into Emrakul's gaping maw

>>47915917
>first of all they didn't Bind them, they PULLED THEM FROM THE BLIND ETERNITIES, the "Whole" them.

This still doesn't make sense. They're eldritch monstrosities and their physical forms are just a tiny slice of their true selves which the inhabitants of Zendikar can see with their mundane senses. Binding their 'true' selves to the physical plane would mean binding the vast infinity that is their true forms, things which would drive ordinary people mad just to witness it. That's how Lovecraftian monsters work, you know.

>COMING SOON TO A CARD SHOP NEAR YOU
>YOUR FAVORITE PLANE, THAT'S RIGHT THAT ONE
>BUT WAIT OH NO THERES ELDRAZI THERE
>LOOKS LIKE ITS UP TO JACE BELEREN AND THE JACE GANG TO STOP THE TROUBLE
>FEATURING JACE FROM THE HIT SHOW "MAGIC THE GATHERING"
>WITH HIS SIDEKICK EVERYOTHERPLANESWALKER
>WILL THE EVIL FORCE BE STOPPED?
>WILL IT BEND OVER A TABLE TO HOW AWESOME JACE IS
>YES

>>47912737
>>47914962

Yeah its pretty neat honestly. I hate to give Wizards credit for story, because

>They're shit at it
>They're disjointed in their mediums
>They rely on a lot of bad tropes and deus ex machinas

But creating a situation where you can both empathize with Sorin's desire to protect his plane and Nahiri's desire for revenge is pretty great. Sorin legitimately (as far we know) missed Nahiri's call, so you feel for the guy, but he also doesn't particularly care so you feel for Nahiri. Sorin didn't want to Helvault Nahiri, but Nahiri took the bantz to him so he's like "well fuck you then". But Nahiri took the bantz to him because she had sacrificed so much and he refuses to help. Its an actual clash of interests and its somewhat shocking Wizards is capable of it.

My theory is that keeping any non-evil Planeswalkers from becoming stupid, evil villains is a top priority considering how much they push them in marketing, so making sure that they have relatable motivations creates a perfect storm that tells decent character-driven narratives almost completely by accident.

>>47918745
Looks real and "safe"

>>47918745

>Target creature's controller sacrifices it

That's dumb, not at all how the game usually makes use of sacrifice as removal. I'm calling shenanigans

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Welcome back birthing pod overlords

>>47918745
>fifty zombies

What's with the arbitrary high number?

Why not just say a thousand zombies? Or a million? It'd still be effectively the same god damn thing.

FUCK Planeswalker design is so fucking lazy now.

>+ ability is make a dude / or draw a card
>- ability is remove dude within your color pie
>ultimate is meme

>>47918859
If you haven't noticed WotC liked playing safe with shit like this.

>>47918859
More accurately:
>+#: Card Advantage.
>-#: Color-Appropriate Spot Removal
>-#: Suitably unique effect that gives you a moderate permanent advantage or a massive temporary advantage.

>>47918834
if this is real im buying a box

>>47918896
But it defeats the point of being a planeswalker card

It should be unique and interesting because it's supposed to break the rules in a creative way. Not be sterile value generator #344

Flavor and creativity should come first. I'd much rather have planeswalker cards like Ashiok, or Sarkhan the Mad, or Venser.

Make dude / kill thing on every walker is complete aids. Also bonus points for new Lilliana being 4 CMC which is now the official cost of boring planeswalkers

>>47919011
Looks like the account accurately described the Brunela art before it was revealed

>>47919032
The point of being a planeswalker is trying to be the next walletslayer, interesting design doesn't move packs.

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>>47919032
>It should be unique and interesting because it's supposed to break the rules in a creative way. Not be sterile value generator #344

Snowflake pls go

Say that to Ob Nix Reignited, Gideon Ally, Jace Unraveler, Arlinn and even Sorin.

All their effects are the 90% the same shit. Plus to draw, minus to removal, neutral to make token, and ultimate.

>>47912627
Actual moral of the story is that it just confirms what we thought about most Oldwalkers:

They're pants-on-head retarded.

Then again, when you're a nigh-unkillable diety who lives for thousands of years (prior to the Mending, the above power level was given to EVERY planeswalker) you have to give up your sanity to survive that long.

So what would be some good birthing pod targets in standard?

>>47918745
You cant see through the text, its fake

>>47919032
Alright boys rev up that OC we are making the next planeswalker design for WotC

>Gren Panswalker
>2 green 2 generic
>starting loyalty 3
>+1. Make a green 2/2 beast with trample
>-2. Have target creature fight another creature and the other but your's wins
>-7. Put a 43/15 Flapflorbagorf token with "trample, reach, islandwalk, double strike, protection from white, fear, shadow, vanishing 8, deathtouch, bolster 3, bushido 13, exalted, flanking, horsemanship, menace and when this creature enters the battlefield scry 2" onto the battlefield

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>>47902954
>Triggers instrumentality to bring back waifu Avacyn

>>47915192
And then 6 sets later we find out ugin was right and killing them, assumung they're actually dead was a terrible idea and we get another , time travek block involving a return to return to zendikar where they unfuck everything they fucked up and still no goblin guide or zen fetch reprints

>>47902314
WHY IS IT BLUE? IT'S LITERALLY NAHIRI IN THE FLAVOR TEXT

>>47901128
>geralf and ludevic's homosexual zombie adventure
too good for this world

>>47915472
>protection from instants

>>47911438
Fuck me that's gorgeous art

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>>47918823
What about Ashling the Extinguisher? I mean they've done it at least once.

>>47919080
>Say that to Ob Nix Reignited, Gideon Ally, Jace Unraveler, Arlinn and even Sorin.
>Say that to poorly designed boring fucking cards
Sure?

>>47920056
You mean to GOOD cards that are playable instead of the snowflake poorly designed shit you want.

>>47920056
Arlinn is awesome, go fuck off

>>47919555
Doesn't have any protection in the graveyard, anon.

>birthing pod sorcery

fuck you wotc that's nowhere near as good, you're just shitting on pod players now

>>47920099
>that are playable
I've got a feeling like you're completely beyond reason. There will always be playable cards in standard, the idea is to make the playable ones cards that will lead to a fun and competitive environment.
>snowflake
This was an old buzzword years ago.
>poorly designed shit you want.
Wow, you caught me; I just really wanted more poorly designed cards, how could I forget that poorly designed cards are bad for the game?

>>47919080
Yeah and all those planeswalkers you mentioned are horridly boring to play with

At least Arlinn has a bit more going on but you shouldn't throw creativity under a bus just because muh standard

>>47920154
>the idea is to make the playable ones cards that will lead to a fun
>fun

Citation needed from official Wizards documents.
Also you're implying that is not fun to drop Nissa on T3, Gideon on T4 and Avacyn on T5.

What the fuck is wrong with you?


>I just really wanted more poorly designed cards

Yes you do.
You want the game filled with Kioras Masters of the Shit, instead of good cards like Gideon and co.

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>>47920194
>>47920154
>it's boring to win
>it's boring to play good and efficient cards
>it's boring to play not shitty cards with simple effects

>>47920202
>Also you're implying that is not fun to drop Nissa on T3, Gideon on T4 and Avacyn on T5.

>having fun spewing tokens and not making any interesting choices

I don't know how we are play the same game

>>47918859
>ajani
>gain 100 life ult
>"What's with the arbitrary high number?"

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>>47920228
>every card should just be efficient, boring and simple so standard fags don't get triggered

(you)

>>47920234
>Is not fun because I say so

Great arguments for having the meta filled with shitty cards.

>>47920261
>It's objectively fun and well designed because I said so!

Right back at you friendo

>>47920228
>it's boring to win
???
If interesting cards were the best cards in the game then playing them would win you the game?
You're acting like interesting cards can't be playable despite the fact that the first example that anon made was ashiok, which saw large amounts of play in standard.
>>47920202
>You want the game filled with Kioras Masters of the Shit, instead of good cards like Gideon and co.
You don't actually think a card is well designed just because it's playable right? You really shouldn't be that stupid.

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>>47920291
They ARE being played by millons of players across the globe.
If people wouldn't be enjoying the game around those cards, then Magic won't be having such following, tournaments and won't be selling as well.

I have reality on my side, you only your perception of "BAHHHH SO BORING WIZARDS WTFFFF"

>>47920322
>If interesting cards were the best cards in the game then playing them would win you the game?

Gideon and co are interesting and fun cards, also powerful and good enough to have decks made around them, unlike shitty cards.

>You're acting like interesting cards can't be playable

They are already playable, you act like if they aren't interesting, calling them boring based on your personal agenda, and ask for shitty cards to take their place.