/srg/ Shadowrun General – Tir Ghosts Edition

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> he doesn't run Miracle Shooter.btl

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How paranoid is your runner?

Real last thread link: >>47786254

>>47852012
I took the "Erased" quality for my character, despite its limited use and huge Nuyen costs to keep it from lapsing in 5e.

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I just spent my last Nuyen. I am leaving this dump. I am going to Seattle now, hopefully it was better than Berlin

>>47852858
Depends, do you prefere a hellhole, where you don't no anybody and nobody knows you over a hellhole that you do know?
Oh Chummer, you are in for a bumpy ride.

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>>47852858
Well it's slightly less Saeder-Koruppt

>>47852858
Seattleite here. Place is definitely a rainy, wet shithole full of hipsters that definitely don't keep their opinions to themselves and bad food that definitely is not 100% delicious. Totally not a great place at all. Stay away.

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>>47852889
>>47852894
>>47852904
I mean it can't be THAT much worse than fucking Hong Kong right? right?

I might finally update my piece of shit cyber deck after i get a few jobs in

>>47852977

> calling your deck a 'piece of shit'

Omae, I...

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>>47852858
Fuck year, the Renraku arcology in the background... >:3

God someone fucking help me

I'm running a campaign that has a setting pretty similar to shadowrun's setting, and I've run into a writer's block thing

The players will need to find a certain asshole high rank police officer and interrogate him for the location of the mcguffin. But I have no idea how they could find him or how to make it interesting in any way. He's only appeared briefly once or twice so far, and they know nothing about him. I don't want to railroad them to just walking into him on the street.

help me idea guys!!!

>>47853003
It is my first deck, I have a love hate relationship with it, it's locked up during some tight spots but got me out of tougher spots... I just don't know what to do with it

>>47853008

> the guy is pretty much nonexistent on the FutureWeb, but there's one picture of them together his daughter plopped on some kind of Futurebook
> gotta use her number to trace her while avoiding cyberpolice
> some facing and legwork later, it turns out that they don't live together
> the players have to kidnap and either interrogate her or use her as a hostage
> then kidnap her and

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>>47853008
>high rank police officer
That guy should be easily google-equivalentable - you want to know the NYPD Commissioner or the head of Scotland Yard, you can find that shit in an instant, and district chiefs aren't much harder to find.

Your players can find where they work from or live, and high-ranking officials get invited to events all the time - get your players to investigate him, stalk him, and work out a method of capturing him: does he go to a certain doughnut shop because he loves their coffee? Does he go to a deli where all his brass gets him free shit? Is he having an affair? Is he attending an official dinner where your players infiltrate the wait staff, slip a laxative in his food and kidnap him when he goes to the bathroom?

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>>47853075
yeah I should have clarified that I don't want this to take the whole 5 hour session so there probably won't be any wife kidnaps or anything.

But hacking into the cop database and looking up where he takes his poops is a good idea, thanks

>>47853113
At any large institution, 99% of the time, cleaners and caterers are contractors, and thus eminently infiltratable

>>47853149
oh that's a good ass idea, bribe a janitor or steal his clothes and then hack into a computor

u are the real mvp my friend

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Hell, /srg/ seems to be even slower than usual lately.

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>>47852858
Except for the sky night pollution and the ziggurat Seattle is really starting to look like that

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>>47853808
Indeed.


New topic. How fast is your runner? Mine can break 70 mph while sprinting. If your runner is slow, how fast is their vehicle? Is it yerzed out?

>>47853969

My mage can be supersanic fast while in Astral.

Outside, he wouldn't win any medals, especally seeing how he'd been kneecapped recently.

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>>47854149
>he'd been kneecapped recently

Aw, snap. Who the frag did he piss off?

>>47854202

Put too much trust in his invisibility, and decided to stroll cheerfully in front of an angry troll with a HVAR.

Running my first Shadowrun game in a few weeks, using one of the prewritten 5e modules.

Any advice for a new SR GM?

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>>47854836

>>47853969
A couple hundred km/h booking it away with a skyhook drone rig, nothing all that special otherwise.

>>47854836

Don't be afraid to wing the mechanics.

The moment they decide to end the legwork and move in for the run, make sure to keep the action as fast and frenetic as possible.

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>>47854836
Start with the core rules and wait till you're comfortable with the system to include new ones. The first time around combat is going to be very slow so just be patient about that. You will get better in time. Have cheat sheets ready for your players in case they forget how to roll or how a rule works. Also if there is a mage or decker dont slack off on making sure you understand those rules for magic and the matrix. Once again the rules can be very intimidating, but once you get the hang of it, you and your chummers will have have a good time.

I don't remember whether this cheat sheet is in the copypasta so i'll post it anyways.

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Hey /srg/ ran my third game successfully last night, had a question though. How reliable is chummer5 regarding information like dice pools? Chummer was showing the mage in the party should've been rolling with a pool of 8 when his magic plus spellcasting was 11. Am I missing something obvious or does Chummer regularly have small inconsistencies like this?

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So, full on werewolves.

Was thinking about a werewolf character, a sort of dick tracy investigator who during combat will drag people into the shadows and tear them apart.

How would you effectively make one?
Would they even work well as PCs?

More importantly, what's a good justification for them in the first place?

>>47855671
Yeah, Chummer does have some issues, especially with cyberware, it always lists my agility and strength scores as 1 point lower due to my limbs, which should be on par with the rest of my body.
Certain equipment will crash chummer5, like the bracers for one.

For your case, I would first look at your mage's sheet to see if something is bringing the score down, like stun damage or lower than normal essence.

I'm playing a hand-to-hand adept martial-artist, but they've recently lost a limb.

Should I learn to fight with one arm, or take the power loss to fight two-handed?

>>47856550
aren't cloned limbs a thing?

>>47856564
Cloned limbs are definitely a thing, but are also definitely expensive. Generic ones work as well but have an essence cost associated with them.

>>47856460
>How would you effectively make one?

The closest you can get is either a Lupine shifter, or a HMHVV Strain II "Loup-garou". Problem is neither are close to the traditional werewolf. The forme is just a wolf that can somehow transform into a human, the other is 'stuck' in a monstrous half-human form by a magical disease.

>Would they even work well as PCs?
Not really.

>More importantly, what's a good justification for them in the first place?
Shifters are (wrongly) considered animals and loup-garous (rightfully) as dangerous monsters by the rest of the sixth world. Working the shadows isn't really weird ford them, just to survive.

>>47856550
Capoeria, tae kwon do, other leg based systems

>>47856525
>always lists my agility and strength scores as 1 point lower due to my limbs, which should be on par with the rest of my body

Well, if you set the standard amount of limbs to 2 arms, 2 legs and torso in te options and purchase those 5 limbs the attributes are correct. I guess if you don't have all limbs, Chummer averages cyber and meat attributes out and rounds down.

>>47851909
Hey, I'm my guild's tank, it's a responsible position. And no addiction – can quit anytime I want as well.

>>47856550

Take a cyberlimb. It's 1 essence, but you won't be at a disadvantage at everything you do. Also, if you can get a better grade, you can possibly fit in some high grade muscle toner in there too and be at a net gain from the ordeal.

>>47856634
>Shifters are (wrongly) considered animals
No, it's quite right to consider them animals. They are, just with the ability to look human.

>>47859843
Animals that are as intelligent as humans are morally indistinguishable from them

Humans are animals, after all.

>>47860129
Let me just finish my dolphin steak burger, then consider that.

>>47860337
Even if dolphins were as intelligent as humans (they're not), I wouldn't judge you for that. I don't judge killing people either, you see. The point is that you should treat beings of similar intelligence in the same fashion, else you're committing a cardinal sin of having moral double standards.

>>47860129

> Humans are animals, after all.

Yep! That's why Hestaby likes them so much.

>>47852012
>Erased quality
>Wears a scramble suit, has never shown his face to the group
>Rest of group doesn't realize this
>has caches of cash and fake SINs
>First time shit goes south the character will disappear

Pretty damn paranoid

>>47860404
I don't particularly care what you would or wouldn't judge me for, anon-kun. That's your beef to chew on.

Shifters are animals. Drop their essence, magic, or raise the background count? Animals. Reproducing? Animals. Instincts? Animals. They can masquerade for a while (even indefinitely, if lucky), or possibly find a community that accepts animals, but they'll never be human.

>it's a 'gm two characters getting married episode'
>players enjoying roleplay, congratulating the two pc's that are getting hitched
>decide to spice things up by having a low loyalty contact turn on one of them to claim a bounty
>he does a drive-by so I can instigate a high-speed chase between him and the gang
>rolls a shot
>8d6 pool, eh, should be enough to hit some props and startle the players into action, whatever
>I roll 8 fucking 6's
>what started as a hijinks episode turned tragic as a random fag pulled up in a limo at an outside wedding, rolled down a window, and killed the groom in one horrific spray of bullets, before driving off, everyone at the table too stunned to do anything

I don't think I have ever felt so bad gming a game in my entire life

>>47860822
That's why fudging is a thing, anon.

>>47860822
>>47860851
Sounds horrible, but you have to remember what rolling dice means - introducing a little chaos. If you're not ready for that, narrate the results.

>>47860851
>>47860923
I ended up offering a bit of a compromise to the player after the session. I let it be him feigning his death to protect the rest of the crew from a group with bad blood to the PC, and will return to the game once his character recovers from the extensive injuries the ambush gave him. basically I gave him an edge to burn so everything wouldn't be tears. Maybe i'm coddling him a bit, but that was total rng bullshit that shouldn't hose him over completely.

Though he's playing a temp character for the next few sessions and keeping his characters condition under wraps to the other players, do at least it did a good job putting the fear of God into the rest of the table.

>>47853969
My Phoenix doesn't go that fast yet, but it is yerzed out to hell and back to live up to its name.

Man, wtf happened that srg is so slow right now?
Wrong time?
Coordinated swat teams due to common searches on security design, floor plans and weapon discussions?
Pre-Crash?

>>47860410
HESTABY A SLUT

SLUUUUUT

>>47862917

You're just angry she didn't choose you for one of her toys.

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>>47862795

Well, we had a new book pretty recently, but I think we've done most of the discussion for that already.

College groups might be on hold for the summer, so that could be a factor. I'd think we'd see more activity with more free time, though. Maybe the rest of /tg/ is moving faster and keeping /srg/ lower on the pages, which means less incidental posting from non-regulars.


Final hypothesis: not enough lolis and/or cybercatgirls for people to sperg over.

>>47863285

I want to sperg over drakes and dragons but nobody ever gives me an excuse :<

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>>47863370

Your drake waifu a shit and you know it.

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>>47863391

But I'm my own drake waifu :<

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>>47863425
I'M MY OWN WAIFU NOW

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>>47863521

For all his achievements, man is still capable of such depravity.

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>>47863425

You heard what I said.

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>>47863636

You're just angry you can't hang at the cool kids table.

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>>47855671
Can you upload the sheet somewhere? Dicepools for character abilities are generally accurate, unless you've got certain edge-cases I haven't gotten around to fixing.
>>47856525
That'll be meatbod averaging; if it's inaccurate, upload your character sheet and I'll see what's what. That code should be functioning properly. Which weapon causes the crash?

Drek.
I really want to read some of the novels, but I fucking hate to search for every single one.
Do you guys have a link to download all of them? Or the best, at least.

>>47863767
Ah, didn't actually expect to e answered.
The average is no big deal, I have three limbs, two legs optimized at 5/5 and one arm with a flametosser, so no optimization required.

The Bracer things cause the crash, those metal bracers you can get for +1 armor and a couple slots?

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>>47863696

Sure, omae. You have fun making deals with dragons - I'll be over here doing literally anything else.

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About to fire up the Hong Kong game. Is there any predisposition towards what the PC should be like there kinda was in Dragonfall?(Only Decker is either the PC or an optional hire with the weakest backstory, who'll take up a spot from the better characters).

>>47864335
Is0bel is your decker, and she's insufferable. Does have a grenade launcher though, so that's fun.

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>>47864202

Are you joking, chummer? Job security for life? A choice between a dozen distinct, powerful, ideologically driven employers, including the surviving dynasty of the late great Dunkelzahn? The possibility of earning the respect of a great dragon, and the honorific form of your name from them? Dracoform sex? Flight? Thousand year lifespan? Being a Drake is pretty much a guaranteed meaningful existence in a world of drek. I can see why you'd be jealous. In fact, the only clear way to frag it up is to try to go underground, but even that has the aura of rebellion about it; the love of freedom above all else. So even revolt against the gifts you've been given is still a gift.

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>>47864370

Lofwyr pls go

>>47864370

Don't you have something better to be doing than posting useless propaganda for your own amusement?

>>47864335

Charisma checks are pretty much the only thing that your team can't do for you. If you want to be able to talk through things, then investing a bit in Charisma might be a good call.

Unlike Dragonfall, Hong Kong throws boatloads of karma at you, so it's pretty easy to throw Charisma onto a street sam of decker.

Hong Kong does keep you really poor nuyen-wise, though.

>>47864663
I saw that, chummer. You can't hide your mistakes.

>>47864637

Yes sir. Sorry sir.

>>47864692

And you can't hide your location. Goodbye.

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>>47863767
Sure thing boss, let me get back home and I'll find somewhere to upload it to. Appreciate the response, I was just assuming I was doing some math wrong or forgot to deduct dice from a roll.

>>47852012

I carry a bottle of bleach with me. If I get shot in combat, I use the bleach to destroy any forensic evidence from my blood splatters. I have done this even before the shooting has stopped.

The bleach bottles are stored in an area of toxic mana around an illegal radioactive waste dump, to hopefully confuse any attempts by police wizards to do their magical sensing forensic shit.

I got a question about imaging devices and cameras. If I were to own a pair of glasses with image link, would its visual input be applied to a camera in the same PAN?

Hey /tg/, new storyteller here. Any tips on getting my combat oriented (street sam and adept) players to be more involved in the legwork section of a run? Right now they just kind of sit there browsing Overwatch rule 34 while my Face and Decker does everything. I'm probably doing it wrong.

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>>47863767
Nevermind, >>47855671 here.
I asked the player to send me a picture of his character sheet so I could compare it to what Chummer5 was saying. He was adding shit wrong and I was too caught up in the game to catch it at the time. Sorry for the false alarm omae.

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>>47865040

Do they have any good Contacts they could rope in? If they're more comfortable in a certain part of town (the Barrens? maybe the Ork Underground?) setting up some runs in that are might be a good way to get them involved.

Does the face need more muscle behind him for intimidating people?

Is the adept or sam stealthy at all? Can they pickpocket commlinks for the decker to hack or help him apply wiretaps to otherwise non-wireless networks?

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So a few dozen threads ago, there was an anon looking for info on 3D Printing in Shadowrun.

If you're still around dude, I've got good news and bad news.

The good news is, what you're looking for exists, and can be found on pg. 130 of Arsenal (pic related)

The bad news is on pg. 131:
>Another problem for shadowrunners is that the megacorp’s attempts to control the flow of desktop manufacturing have led to many laws requiring feedstock to be tagged with stealth RFID tags for identification purposes. As long as just a few parts of an item are made from feedstock, the chances of a critical mass of
stealth tags being included in the final product so that it can be identified is fairly low. Making a full item entirely using a desktop forge, on the other hand, will almost invariably mean that
it includes enough stealth tags to allow its owner to be tracked down. You can reduce the danger with a tag eraser (p. 320, SR4), but even this cannot give you 100% certainty, especially when it comes to electronic equipment, where the eraser can only be used to a limited extent. The likelihood that an item can be tracked is up to the gamemaster’s discretion.
>Characters can obtain “clean” feedstock that does not contain RFID tags, but of course it is heavily restricted and ostensibly forbidden to all but the megacorps. As a general rule, assume an Availability of 20F and a cost modifier of two to five times the standard feedstock price.

>>47860822
>>47861164
This keeps happening to me too, where I put in some little obstacle for the players that should easy and turns into a mess.

Had 2 low level security mooks guarding the miguffin that should have died in 1 hit. Ended up getting bullshit rng and they nearly geeked the mage.

Total noob here.

What's the difference between Cyberware and Bioware?

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Has anyone ever used the Shadowrun Returns Map Editor for making maps for pen and paper? Was it worth the effort, and if so, where can you download it?

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>>47865217

Cyberware is made of metal, bioware is made of meat.

Or rather, cybeware is made of artificial material, bioware is living tissue.

>>47865259
Is the essence cost still the same?

And, I've read a bit about cyberzombies, can the same happen with Bioware?

>>47865328
Most 'ware has its Essence cost listed in its price table.

As a general rule, though, Bioware tends to have lower Essence costs, but higher monetary costs.

>>47865328
Bioware costs less essence usually, and it also comes in the various grades like cyberware, but it costs a ton of nuyen

>>47865328
There are some things that can only be done with one kind of 'ware, but for things both can do, generally speaking, bioware will do it for less essence, but more nuyen compared to its cyberware counterpart.

>>47865096
Not really since my players are also fairly new. My street sams contacts all appear to be illegal drug related.

My adept's stuff is mostly related to Russian things as he's playing as an Evo plant in Seattle doing runs to get contacts and influence (yeah I know this is probably dumb but we're all new so I figured I'd see where this shit would end up.)

>>47865381
>>47865393
>>47865409
Ah, nice.
Thanks, mates.

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>>47865415

An Evo or Vory related run could be a great way to get your adept involved, then. If your face doesn't speak Russian, then your adept gets to translate.

If the same run also involves the drug trade (Vory drug smugglers think they're getting ripped off by the people reselling the product) then your street sam's Contacts could become very applicable.

>>47863767

Got an issue adding knowledge skills to a post-creation character. When I add one, it doesn't let name it, or pick a category. And if I try to add a rank to an existing one, it credits me karma.

>>47865610

Are you referring to a run for Evo or that would harm them? I haven't really thought of involving them much but I probably should now that i'm going over backstories and contacts again.

I do have a subplot going on that the Russian mafia is into some fucked up human trafficking shit in Seattle. I'm talking selling people for organs / bunraku shit. Probably not canon but just a thing I did since, coming from D&D, I thought my players would want to do Hooding runs.

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Anyone use the subreddits Shadownet or Runnerhub? If so, how are they? Looking to start running rather than GMing.

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>>47865241
I've only ever used it for making my character's home; it's a fairly involved process, you'd generally be better off using something like Campaign Cartographer imo.
>>47865670
That's... interesting. I know about the knowledge skill issue, the karma's a new one.
>>47866063
They're like playing Missions. Very little personal character growth, but the interplay you get from bumping into the same characters occasionally can be fun. I wouldn't say they're bad, but it's definitely nothing compared to playing with your own regular group.
>>47865051
No worries, I had a vague suspicion it was going to be something like the player adding his magic and his skill and his pool or something silly like that.

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>>47865717

The Vory is involved in smuggling just about anything in or out of Seattle. Guns, drugs, sex slaves, you name it.

As for a run involving Evo, it doesn't really matter. Either way is a hook for your player to do a little more roleplaying.

>>47866778

Kill me, Pete

Is this some sort of meme magical combat? Bless your heart. I think my aura is too hardened for it to work though, so you'll probably just end up killing one of my friends or something via ricochet. I hope you're ok with that.

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Is there anything to stop me from using an Iron Will as a weapon focus?

Also, what 4e Powers would you recommend for a melee PhysAd with 4 Points to spend?

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I had to answer 20 questions for my DM about my character I made

>1. What is the character’s gender?
none of your business you CIS shitlord
>2. What is the character’s physical size?
a little above average , something like 6’1
>3. What is the color of the character’s hair, eyes, and skin?
bald because of cyberhead, eyes are a light glowing red, skin is tanned white
>4. What is the character’s general appearance?
black suit with a clerical collar
>5. Where was the character born?
Alabama middle of shitfuck nowhere
>6. What is the character’s age?
44
>7. What was the character’s family like?
parents died early, raised by distant but caring realitives
>8. Has the character begun her own family?
no
>9. Where or how was the character educated?
West Point
>10. Has the character done anything else for a living?
SoF operator, Blackops asshole
>11. What are the character’s political and religious beliefs?
moderate politically, probably tries to avoid it altogether, none he uses the preacher thing as a cover
>12. What is the character’s moral code?
If you’re paid well enough for the job, do it, no matter what the fuck it is
>13. Does the character have any goals?
Make a ton of goddamn money, and hurt badguys doing it
>14. Why does the character run the shadows?
because a washed up murderer isn’t good at anything else
>15. What is the character’s personality?
quiet, no bullshit, probably haunted by the shit he’s seen
>16. What special qualities does the character possess?
a huge cyber dong, and the ability to murder really REALLY well
>17. Are there certain things the character just cannot do?
not if he’s paid enough
>18. What does the character hate?
assholes, and overt magic users
>19. What does the character love?
money
>20. What is the character’s name?
Jim Darmond AKA ‘The Preacher’

Also the sentence ‘Jim had had had had his medication.’ is grammatically correct

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>>47867419
>Also the sentence ‘Jim had had had had his medication.’ is grammatically correct

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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>>47867298
Object resistance will kick you in the teeth. It resists your (Artificing + MAG (Limited by the formula Force), can't spend EDG) with (Force of the Formula) + (Object Resistance, 15+ as it's a highly processed item). Your net hits are what's left over. Once you've done that, you then resist 2 stun for every hit the telesma got. If you get knocked unconscious by this then you have to make the test again. If you glitch the crafting test, you don't get to resist the drain. If you critically glitch, fuck you you use a point of Essence (And therefore MAG as well).

>>47867482
Er. >Your net hits are the Force of the Focus.

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>>47867524

Oh hell yaaaaa

>>47867482
>>47867571
Yikes. I suppose it's too much to ask that I could just start with it?

Also, the process described in the books I've got doesn't match what you've described. I'm guessing that's because I'm still poking at 4e while the thread's moved on to 5e?

>>47867799
Oh, yeah. 4E's babby-time compared to 5th when it comes to enchanting. Yoasically just spend the karma. Run it past your GM, per RAW you can't bind foci during character creation.

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Hey /srg/, what kind of visual fluff do you like at your table? Like menus, documents, news articles etc. Making SR themed graphic fluff templates and keen to hear what everyone actually uses/enjoys

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My chummer5a crashes every time I try to make a character with sum to ten.

>>47868112
Told you sum to ten was broken.

>>47868131
No you didn't.

>>47868112
>>47867828
I guess I should ask, but has anyone else had the skill groups for loaded characters be listed in reverse?

Doesn't do anything, but it just bugs me. (Oh, and you're getting a crash report from me soon, Yekka. It just needs to finish sending. Oh, wait. It sent.)

>>47868150
Doesn't seem to happen to me

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>>47868044

News articles and corporate memos would be great for portraying the aftermath of runs.

>>47868112
That's interesting. Any particular kind of character? what version are you on? I'm thinking it's a mage or something, but those should all be working fine.
>>47868150
Like alphabetically reversed? Can't say I've seen that happen before.

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>>47868344
Yeah. Alphabetically reversed. Doesn't seem to do anything, but it happens.

If it seems to mess anything meaningful up, then I'll send more than just that crash report.

>>47868290
My characters are treated to a police report everytime after a run. They've got a mole with SternSchutz, so they can see how badly they screwed up. This gets worse with more public awareness, of course, as there are more heuristics and data-crawling programs used against them.

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>>47868438

Yeah, that's perfect. Wish my GM did something similar.

In an upcoming shadowrun 4e session my crew and I are hitting the Renraku Manhattan headquarters. Our target is data stored on a secure network on the 150th floor. How would you get it done? We're stumped.

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>>47868872
Espionage, get some forged wageslave ID's
Acquire higher ranking ones where necessary and hopefully silently


Or if youre groups anything like mine it would involve a stolen helicoptor a troll that might as well be a cyber zombie and copious amounts of explosives

>>47868911
Sneaky isn't our best option. We were thinking plane and adept troll with explosives so pretty close. Here's the clincher, we only have 1 week prep time.

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>>47868872
Several options here - espionage, as >>47868911
suggested for example.
Another option would be B&E - HALO onto the rooftop, rappel down, break some windows and rely on speed. Have a modified Ferret Drone stretch a rope between the 150th floor of the HQ and some other highrise a bit lower for an exit strategy. Go loud, go fast - get in, rely on extraterritoriality for giving you a bit of time to escape.

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>>47868934
OK, considering that you've got a troll and explosives, expanding on this: >>47868940

Weld or explode elevators (express elevators first, of course) slowing security response. Throw some explosives down the shafts if you need to distract from your original goal. A nice bit of chaos is very efficient in hindering security further. Just don't stay long enough for the gunships or the Red Samurai to arrive.

>>47868290
>>47868438
>>47868480

Thanks, news articles were on the plate but Corp memos is a great idea. "Mr Tanaka will no longer be employed with Shiawase" (because the runners stuffed up an extraction he contracted for and now he's in for it…)

Incidentally, re: news reports. I know Horizon are the big boys of media now, but is Newsnet still a thing in 5e? Or did that get completely swallowed in the aquisition? Just looking for in-lore names for news networks.

>>47868940

- Disguise yourselves as window cleaners, make it appear like you're the genuine crew.
- use external elevator to get (close) to floor 150
- Go time
- Grab that data, be in and out sanic fast.
- >>47868940 exit strategy is good. Alternatively, get to the roof and have your rigger pick you up in a convenient flying machine if he manages to get his hands on it.

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So like, what happens when you turn the spirit loose? Do they lose the great form? Are they always great formed?

Can a shaman just roll around and make great form spirits for days?

>>47869239
If you set the spirit free, it probably tries to get back home. Might thank you for the upgrade before it leaves, though.

>>47869403
So it is permanent?

I know it explicitly forbids Watcher spirits, but could I upgrade any other spirit? Like Ally spirits?

>>47869411
It seems to be rather permanent. I want to say that Ally Spirits are summoned in a different way (i.e. their own ritual), so they can't be great formed.

On the other side, more flexible if you have the karma for it.

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why aren't you rescuing corp princesses from arceologyies, anon?

>>47869586
>corp princesses
>rescuing

Get that beetle out of your head, trogga. There are no princesses, and they definitely don't await being 'rescued' from their life of luxury and intrigue by a bunch of less-than-nobodies.

>>47869586
Why AM I not rescuing corp princesses? Goddamn.
my gm doesnt condone pussy as a motivation, he's too grimdark black trenchcoat for that. And anyway, aztechnology's doing some weird shit with the cartels, so the princess is probably a mule with novacoke in her cybertitties.

>>47869630
They're princesses in the same way a mafia princess is one.

But more importantly, not only are arcologies not dungeons >>47869586
has committed horrible crimes against spelling with that last bit.

>>47869586
Im rescuing princesses in my trid, leave me alone.

>grimdark trenchcoat
Well there goes my new game description for the advertisement post.

>>47869701
Honestly, Grimdark Trenchcoat sounds like some SR band that had one hit and then a hilarious (from at least two county lines away) meltdown.

Hrm. I may have something for my group to do other than get old Smash TV recordings.

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>>47853969

At a sprint, The Frog can hit 43 meters a turn, or 860 meters a minute. 32 miles per hour doesn't touch your 70MPH, but she does get to make those in gigantic 10 meter hops, jumping rather than running. She's clearing two car lengths in each bound, and can jump high enough to clear 3 meters of vertical distance, roughly enough to hop onto the roof of a one-story building in a single bound.

Street Samurai are ridiculous.

>>47856460
If you're 4e, you can also make an Inhabitation Pact with a particularly strong wolflike Free Spirit. Then it possesses your body every time you sleep, causing you to wolf out and lose control of your body as the spirit goes for a stroll. It's very much in the spirit of 'wake up with shredded pants and a sense of lingering dread' old werewolf stories.

Why precisely your character would make such a pact, what they're getting out of it, how tolerant of their own needs the spirit is, and how they're going to deal with the drawbacks of a powerful beast monster wandering around in their skin is something you'll have to ask your GM about.

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>>47869586
why aren't YOU rescuing yakuza princesses from their lavishly appointed traditional japanese estates, anon?

>>47860822

And that fucker calls himself a shadowrunner? What kind of pansy weak-ass shitter doesn't get wed in a high fashion armor clothing?

>>47869854
I've had characters with enormous 20 dice pools just completely whiff getting even a single hit before. It happens.

>>47869862

Yeah, prolly.

Still, he could have at least strapped some gel packs on.

>>47869830
Because we only have vory and Proteus over here

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>>47869830
>that pic.

No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no! Hell no!

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>>47870016
Why aren't you rescuing Vory Korolevny from their richly decorated khoroms, anon?

>>47870041
because I am indepted to the vory and they break my arm every month

>>47870188

Is it always the same arm?

>>47870348
yes

On a sidenote, how would you design a technobarbarians hideout?

>>47870579
You'd need to arm it plenty. I imagine lots of melee weapons on the walls, maybe some animal hides and enemy trophies which may include that Roadmaster's license plate and double crossing Johnson's tie. Don't go out on a limb, though, and skip the whole scantily clad females thing.

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>>47854261
Blessing in disguise. Now you can get robot legs like all the cool kids. Who needs magic when you have skimmers?

>>47869586
As much as my character would like to break into her exes penthouse and get her kid out of there since the strategy of letting them think she is dead is not working anymore, I don't have the manpower or resources to do it.

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>>47863113
Who wouldn't be?

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>>47863391
>heat radiating from various ports
>wears loose clothing and has a long braid

This certainly won't go wrong. Let alone the idiocy of putting those things on his shoulders, the inside of his arms, and basically anywhere but the ends of his fists.

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>>47864370
>A choice
>implying drakes have choices

>>47870936
Well they can choose dying facing the danger or running from it. (Like everyone else, mind.)

>>47869112
NewsNet is still a thing, Turner's still kicking and he wouldn't let it die. Also KSAF.

If you need more, Market Panic has a bunch of subsidiary names in each AAA's entry (in the beginning block).

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>>47870788
>skip the whole scantily clad females thing.

>not having a bunch of sexy technobabes running around in titanium chailmail bikinis, polishing your great big MG and tweaking on Cram

Son I am disappoint

>trying to run a 4e game
>the rules are hella-lethal
>any more response than "local gang bangers" has a >25% chance of a party wipe.
>An actual swat team with stun grenades and murder-drones would wipe the floor with the runner team.
...So how do I do a run that is more interesting than "knock over the local gas station" while still having "and if you make a mistake or two or are two slow you don't just die"?

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>>47870960
I should have clipped the whole section

>A choice between a dozen distinct, powerful, ideologically driven employers

Drakes don't choose their masters, they're literally bred for service and brainwashed from birth. Most of them never even consider the choice of leaving, because that free will is quashed out of them.

>>47871085

a) Courier run? Since they already have the objective they don't have to stop and fight, they are already on the run and simply need to get to the drop off point.

b) Local gangs are having a war and the runners are hired to help one of them in the fight. They could start with a recon mission to find a weakness among the enemy (as they won't be as suspicious of random runners rather than their hated enemies) and then perhaps hired to hit a target or two among the enemy gang.

>>47871023
Awesome, thanks! I'll pick up Market Panic next opportunity.

>>47871085

SWAT teams are supposed to be scary, and getting into any kind of a firefight with them should mean that someone seriously fucked up along the way.

Runners aren't supposed to go in guns blazing (usually, at least). Legwork is usually at least as important as the run itself - if you manage to gather the security codes, hack yourself a pass, and kidnap scientist's daughter so that he uploads the worm you gave him, you need to worry way less about the possible firefights.

>>47871085
The incredibly high legality of the game was identified by the publishers, and so they later added Form Fitting Armor (FFA) and Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) to the game.

These items are cheap, they stack with existing armor, and everyone and their mom can wear them. The end result is a lot more shock damage and a lot less lethal damage, meaning it's possible for a gang-banger to roll above average with his shitty SMG and not murder everyone but the cyber-trog.

>>47871085
>An actual swat team with stun grenades and murder-drones would wipe the floor with the runner team.

Good. Read the next sentence carefully: That is the whole point of Shadowrun!

Even in a Pink Mohawk as fuck campaign, the point is not to kill everything in sight, but do criminal stuff. With huge guns, explosions and lots of property damage; but always in fast, out even faster and never getting caught.

>>47871345

> kidnap scientist's daughter

This reminds me how once we tried something similar. We expected the daughter to be magically tracked, so we bagged her in a Faraday bag and trucked her around in the riggervan.

So, the mages got annoyed and sent us a fireball with its force in -teens.

Quick question; Does anyone know the resistance test for Flashbangs in 5e ?

I know dampers and flash protection increase the test but is it just a simple Damage resistance test or does armor not count ?

>>47871610
Its a regular damage test with armor and everything. I forget if Dampers reduce the damage the flashbangs do or increase your dicepool in 5e.

>>47871436
It just seems like the high lethality, incredibly complicated character gen, and no res rule combines to make the game hard to run.

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>>47871686
Rolling up new characters is time consuming, but after a while people get the form down, and they can crank out variations on the basic archetypes all day.

But SR is not a game about pulling punches. It's a game where you are the have-nots, with some special skills (but in comparison to the haves, really nothing special at all) trying to survive. You can burn some Edge to save yourself a couple of times, but mostly you want to avoid letting someone shoot you in the head in the first place.

>>47871758
I got the impression, especially with how butch BP you get at char gen, that you are less "poor nobodies" and more "oceans 11 with guns and magic"

20 dice isn't that hard to get at character gen, and the game implies that that is incredibly powerful.

I might be reading the theme wrong though.

>>47871821
>oceans 11 with guns and magic
that actually hit's the core point.
What was 90 % of the Oceans X movies?

Legwork

Getting floor plans. acquiring tools, placing informants, setting up disturbances, etc.
Only at the very end did they go in, steal the big stuff, and quickly escape.

Your enemies are better armed, have home ground and are more numerous. That's why you don't let them act until you are almost gone. Be sneaky, disrupt their communications, do whatever you can so that they only find the aftermath of your actions, not you.

>>47868344
>That's interesting. Any particular kind of character
No. It always crashes regardless of the character. I just grabbed the latest version from github.

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>>47872375
Hrm. So if you go new sum-to-10 character, set your character like this (Defaults, magician and a non-duplicated skill (Really must fix the ability to do that)), it crashes?

>>47870936
>crab street samurai
Fuck
Someone pair him up with the crustaceomancer

>>47873280
Yes.

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>>47873557
>crab

>>47873678
well, what would you call it then?

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>>47873993
Kabuto

>>47874041
so... a horseshoe crab

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>>47874133
Do horseshoe crabs have adorable beady eyes on top of their shells? No. Neither do they have that particular leg layout. The joke is that it's a Kabuto, not a generic crab.

>>47869586
why aren't you the aztec corp princess who rescued herself, anon?

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>Tfw you spend hours doing mental gymnastics trying to get a character together in chummer5
>Tfw you fucking used your mouse wheel while in skills and put all your karma into a stat you didn't want without realizing it
It's almost like Christmas. I can afford a lifestyle now!

>>47874507

Yeah that mouse wheel stat increasing is the worst part in the whole damn program.

>>47874240
I get it anon, it's the horseshoe crab pokemon.

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>>47874525
I don't mind it.

>>47874507
I love that feeling. It's gotten to the point where I artificially create it by grabbing a bunch of 'ware I might want, looking at the nuyen total, then pruning out all the bullshit. The Internal Router is like crack.

>>47853969
My rigger van is slower than our gotta go fast satyr. My van has like, 36 armor tho, so I think I come out on top.

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>>47874615
I don't know what to do with all this karma. I put a few into nuyen but now...do I want a martial art? Do I want to up a skill? Do I want a spirit guardian?

What was Big D's plan with the innoculation/potion he was working on? Was it a way to turn people into Drakes?

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>>47874748
You could buy another contact.

>>47874748
A new quality, some more skills, or some more gear.

Link your character and we'll poke holes at it!

>>47871393
What books are those in?

>>47874959
Arsenal

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>>47874929
O-okay. Be gentle. I welcome any and all tips though.

>>47875573
maybe put 1 rank in etiquette so you don't default?

>>47875573
You should try to get an odd number to both BOD and WIL, since that nets you another phys/stun box.

Get better armour. Geek the mage, remember? You want to be able to soak dem boolits.

Your etiquette, sneaking and perception suck. Consider pumping those.

Getting another fake SIN for running is a good idea. Also your primary fake should be a R4.

You have no method of boosting initiative. Consider picking up the improved initiative spell for that.

You should try to get 12+ dice for what you consider your main role. If you're just rolling 9, you won't be getting very far I think.

Also you took natural athlete, but you don't have any points in gymnastics. You get +2 dice to the skill by spending 2 karma, so I think it's pretty questionable to spend 7 karma on the quality.

Your ammo selection is a bit lacking. Consider some APDS.

Lockpick set, but no points in locksmithing?

Just some things off the top of my head.

Let's say that I was to derive a lighter system from Shadowrun and write it up. (I've got a fair bit already, so this isn't theoretical.) Shadowrun with the exploits fixed and some of the complexity dialed down a bit, basically.

>I'm going fully to one end of the wired/wireless scale or the other, none of the mixed junk we have now. Which is preferable? Leaning wireless, personally.
>I'm seriously considering stripping out magic entirely, but that's a bit too drastic of a step. Would it be a worse idea to fix the system instead- moving to an entirely different magic style, more similar to Mage or GURPS RPM?
>What's the worst thing in Shadowrun right now that needs to be fixed?

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>>47875573

>Lockpick set, no Locksmith skill
>Ares Predator, no Smartlink in contacts/helmet
>No specializations

Is this a karmagen build or Priority? If it was priority, then you should make sure you're not spending skill points on rank 1 skills, it's very inefficient. Use skill points to get your most important skills to high ratings, then spend karma on the low-level stuff.

>>47875573
Also, you seem to have taken a bound spirit, but you have no points in Binding. How do you suppose he managed that?

>>47875875
>>47875838
>>47875828
Writing all this down, appreciate it folks. Been working on it off and on all night and i'm scatterbrained as hell so I'm glad you guys are catching my mistakes. It's priority so i'll definitely go back and readjust my skills.

>>47875838
>Getting another fake SIN for running is a good idea. Also your primary fake should be a R4.
mfw I've read earlier today in Core 5ed that R1 can have a wrong gender with a corresponding name, even. Patrols must be used to some weird stuff.

"Hey, Bob... does that huge troll read as Joanna Sparkle to you?"
"Must frequent Metumblr. Don't bother, partner."

>>47875863
>I'm seriously considering stripping out magic entirely, but that's a bit too drastic of a step. Would it be a worse idea to fix the system instead- moving to an entirely different magic style, more similar to Mage or GURPS RPM?
Shadowrun's thing is being fantasy/cyberpunk. If you're changing the system AND removing one of the key elements of the setting then you might as well just play a different game.
Why not grab the D6 system or Mini6 and run a fully cyberpunk game, add Akira style psionics for that fantasy bit.

>>47875967
By playing with chummer5 and trying to get a grasp on the way it handles spirits, I actually forgot I left that on there.

>>47876036
Hence why I said it was too drastic and gave my alternative idea.

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>>47869830

Author name?

>>47875875
It's perfectly in character for a Sioux to have a smartlinked gun even though they have no way to take advantage of it.

It is something that was specificall mentioned in one of the Sioux nation books.

Stupid, but in character. (My Sioux shaman does have goggles that help him actually use the smartlinked guns he has because unlike the average Sioux his gun isn't for hunting or the hypothetical and unlikely UCAS invasion / machismo.)

>>47875999
Rating 1 fake sin is used for stuff like buying soy-caf from the store or traveling in the city. The average storeowner ain't gonna bother checking your ID closely if you aren't buying something restricted and neither won't they have the best damn equipment to check your SIN.

And if you are just one person walking in the crowd your fake SIN merely means that the spam mail you get will have Supa-Viagra ads instead of "Does your vagina have awakened centipedes?" ads.

>>47876266
I don't remember reading anything like that. Personal firearms are common, but getting needless technology put into your weapon isn't.

>>47876326
Nobody's even going to look at your SIN 90% of the time. You just broadcast something so you're not a conspicuous blank spot in the Matrix.

>>47876331
Shadows in focus: Sioux nation. Page 39.

>Weapon Accessories: It’s considered somewhat
gauche to carry heavily modified weapons, so most wear
their weapons clean with no weapon attachments or styling.
One notable exception is the smartlink, which is common—
even when the user doesn’t have a smartgun implant
or goggles. Smartgun systems are Legal in the Sioux Nation.
Sioux law frowns on concealed weapons of all kinds,
even knives, and the SNP comes down hard on accessories
intended to make weapons harder to detect; for this reason,
concealable holsters are 5F and hidden arm slides 7F. Sioux
shadowrunners avoid carrying these “criminal implements”
with streetwear unless absolutely necessary.

>>47875031
Oh, ok. I use 5e.

In 5e...
Neurostun-VIII and Chlorofoam do a fuckton of stun damage to everyone in the room if you gas grenade it in there or whatever, but wouldn't it kill everyone too? Neurostun VIII lasts for 10 minutes after contact, during which everyone is being affected by it once per turn, right? So on turn 1 they take 13S, turn 2 they take 15S, turn 3 they take 11S, and then they're dead?

Am I missing something?

I have the essence left over to get a cyber-torso and cyber-skull, but I'm not sure what to put in them to make it worth it other than armor enhancements. I'm playing not!Major. What get?

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>>47876814
There's similar stuff in R&G. You just responded to people who were talking about 4e.

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>>47877118
You're not, the writers did. The length of the gas cloud, and the damage per round, are very mismatched. At our table, we just rule that gas doesn't cause overflow damage.

>>47877118
Gas grenades disperse after 3 rounds, so those aren't going to be lethal.

>>47877471
I'm actually using Steamers to vent it out from ports in my deck, though it'd be nice if it used the same rules.

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>>47874615
Oh god I'm fucking dying

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>>47877566
in my neck*

Quick question: I remember seeing somewhere in either the 5e core or one of the Hayek sheets (I think) about prices of really simple things, like soy-kaf or a real apple, but I don't know where to find it now. Does anyone know where I can find it?

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>>47877741
Run Faster, the very end of the book.

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Chummer5 error. Weapons appear to apply recoil mods twice. added a SA nemesis, and it lists a base of 2 (per statblock, form gas vent 2), and it adds 2 from the gasvent after being added to my character

>>47878003

Correction. It appears to just be that weapon. Any other gun has it calculated correctly. Now assuming error in database entry. Can I just edit the .xml file, or do I have to change the .xsd as well?

>>47877808
Cool, thanks man. Getting ready to GM a group, none of us has done SR before, but I was talking to them about how soy has taken over as a big source of food but couldn't find the table to show him that real food still existed but was more expensive.

>>47877741
coincidentally, does anyone know in what book the 4e equivalent is?

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>>47879194

Runner's Companion, but I'm not sure if the same table is there.

>>47879270
Just went through it, nope isn't there

do you guys think the prices for food have changed much between 4e and 5e?

>>47879820
I'd assume no, the in-setting timeline scale between the two editions is like, five years, isn't it?

>>47852858
Really mano? It's all about Withmore. Ditch seattle, once you go dome, you never go back.

Would you let someone play a gorilla?
Not like, a shifter or anything, just a gorilla with an intelligence booster or two.

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>>47881660
Why not?
That's going to be mad public awareness, though.

>>47873561
Iiiii have no idea why it would be doing that then.
>>47874899
More or less. It would have some knock-on benefits, but that's the core of it.
>>47874525
Que? It should only be increasing the stat if you've clicked into it.
>>47878003
>>47878110
Yeah, I changed how the calculations worked a while back but I've missed a few weapons. You just need to edit the weapons.xml file; the xsd is for applying a structure to the data. Warns me if an entry doesn't have a required value, essentially.
>>47879820
The general idea is that 1¥ = 1 cheeseburger, with some fluffing from there.

>>47879194
Its in the corebook, early in the gear chapter. Just after availability i think, big sidebar.

>>47881778
that's fine.
"A gorilla with a gun" is generally pretty noticeable.

>>47881799
>Que? It should only be increasing the stat if you've clicked into it.
Yeah, sometimes you kinda want to increase a skill by a tick and then scroll to another skill. And then you find out you're going between 3 and 6 in that skill you just wanted 2 in.

Completely hypothetically, say you made a deal with a dragon.

And you decided you didnt like that deal.

How would you get about getting rid of the dragon?

>>47882383
>getting rid of a dragon.
Omae, you fucked up.
Even if you managed to kill the dragon, you know what's next?
All the other dragons are going to be *very* curious about that dragon's cause of death.
And when the trail points back to you...
There's a reason you never make deals with dragons

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>>47882383
I'd probably buy a shotgun, some EXEX, and just cut my hair via my mouth.

But the whole point of 'never deal with a dragon' is that you will end up not liking the deal you made, and you can't get rid of the dragon. Killing one is nearly impossible, and even if you do there's going to be other people who will punish you for that, or who become the interested party and take over the deal where the dragon left off.

>>47882383
Well then you call Cobra Force, the greatest Pornographic Military Company in the world. They freed Rhodesia and South Africa from the tyrants that set up there. They can deal with that dragon in many ways. Make a porn parody featuring him, make a good smear campaign, or just sic the armies of a few countries on it.

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>>47882383

Make a better deal with a bigger dragon.

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>Mage can't make it to the game anymore or half the time
>kinda want someone to replace them kinda don't

If anyone here wants to play a SR4e game on roll20 let me know I don't REALLY need a mage but if you want to play one that would cool.

I have to leave for work so I make sure to check here.

We have a offsite hacker because I'm a lazy shit and don't know the rules for it and the game is pretty combat heavy Think of rainbow six with shadow running on the side -tactics of the players but they still have a good time from what I can see I will point out that the over all campaign is almost over (more like I'm starting to run out of ideas fast as shit) but I can think of more things to do if the players want to keep playing.

It's first time gming but we have been going on for almost a year so if your new I can deal with that.

If you REALLY REALLY want to play a hacker we can try it but I rather not

>>47882383

When summoned, I calmly sit down to talk with them. Then, in the middle of a sentence, I shout "HOLY SHIT, IT'S VERJIGORM" and run like hell when they turn to look.

>>47865241
>mfw I stole that map from doorkickers and posted it here
Ok maybe not but I know that I fucked up with gimp at some point when my players was stuck in a war in cuba.

>>47871086

> Drakes don't choose their masters, they're literally bred for service and brainwashed from birth.

Not all of them. A good chunk of drakes awaken from non-drake families. From there, it's just a matter of which great dragon gets to you first, which you absolutely have some level of control over assuming you have any financial means at all. And don't tell me that the nearest great dragon will by necessity grab you in this scenario, because if that's the case, there wouldn't be any free drakes who got away.

> free will is quashed out of them.

> current year
> not knowing how free will works

Holy fucking shit blade runner was the most boring movie I've seen in my life. Even the few action scenes were dull as fuck.

Could someone give a recommendation for an actually good cyberpunk movie for shadowrun inspiration?

>>47883058

Also I just realized how metaphysically confused Shadowrun is.

> Cyberpunk, so deterministic tropes a necessity
> Magick, so tropes of the will a necessity
> Chaos Magick is dominant academic paradigm, so anti-essentialism is the hegemonic framework for interpreting reality
> Literally everything has a documented essential nature

>>47883097

Hackers
All the Ghost in the Shell movies
Robocop
Johnny Mnemonic
Judge Dredd (modern)
Tron
Jin Roh (sort of)

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>>47883097

The newer Dredd movie was pretty good.

And Akira was also pretty sweet.

>>47883026
Hah. Classic reference.

I miss FASA.

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>>47883097
>Holy fucking shit blade runner was the most boring movie I've seen in my life. Even the few action scenes were dull as fuck.

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>>47883097
>Holy fucking shit blade runner was the most boring movie I've seen in my life. Even the few action scenes were dull as fuck.

>>47883155
I've seen GITS (all of it), the recent Dredd and Robocop. Jin-roh has been on my backlog for a really long time (pretty staple /k/ recommendation), but I'll make a note of Tron and that Mnemonic thing. I think I've seen Hackers, but I'm not sure.

>>47883158
Seen, but thanks.

>>47883178
I'm sorry I upset you anon, but I swear watching paint dry is more interesting than Blade Runner.

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>>47883199
>that Mnemonic thing

Oh, that explains it. You're 12.

>>47883097

You're going to fucking love 2001: A Space Odyssey, anon. The basic run-down is that an astronaut has to out-smart his ship's AI before it kills him and the rest of the crew. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

>>47883097
watch bladerunner again

>>47883258
I'm 27, love.

>>47883262
That was recommended by the same dude who recommended BR. I don't trust you.

>>47883097
>Holy fucking shit blade runner was the most boring movie I've seen in my life.

Well, anon, that's because you don't know how to think.

>>47883306
Symbolism and loldeep alone don't make for a good movie.

Yeah yeah, Alien was symbolical for virginity, maternity and whatever the fuck. Who gives a shit? At least it had some really good horror elements in it.

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>>47883279
>I'm 27

Sure you are. That's why you never saw Tron and don't recognize the name Johnny Mnemonic, why you just now watched Blade Runner and don't know a thing about 2001.

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>people are not allowed to not like blade runner

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>>47883367
people are allowed to dislike Blade Runner.

But they damn well have a better reason than
>HURR MUH ACTION

I know its probably not high priority, but I was messing around with Drakes in chummer5 and I noticed their specific critter powers were missing.

Heavy Scales, Improved Natural Armor, Dracoform Mastery, Flight, Magical Flight, Tail Stinger, and Transcend Form.

As a side note, Dracoform Mastery says that it removes the drain from being in dracoform, but I can't seem to find anything else about taking drain in dracoform. Was that something they made but removed, but forgot all mentions of?

>>47883422
A complete lack of substance is not good enough for you?

>>47883422
Fair enough I think blade runner is alright but don't think its a god send but then again I'm starting to think that I just don't like cyberpunk but so maybe it has something to do with that

>>47883474
I haven't had a chance to include those yet, I got frustrated trying to implement the partial purchase thing they can do. As for the drain:

SHIFT (DRACOFORM)
Type: M Action: Complex
Range: Self Duration: Sustained
The defining ability of a drake, this is the power to transform into a draconic hybrid form. When activated, the character gains the powers listed in the Dracoform Table (p. 163) as well as any optional powers they have purchased. The character can remain in this form for a number of rounds equal to twice their Magic Rating, after which they take 2S drain unresisted each round until they return to their metahuman form.

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Stat me

>>47883674
-10 to dusting?

>>47881660
You're gonna run into trouble getting armor that fits/gear that's the right shape.

>>47883097
Just go read something When Gravity Fails, or as I call it: fun with BTL's.

>>47883655
Oh cool, thanks.

does the suprathyroid really turn into just +1 bod when you get boosters for the other stats? what a waste.

>>47883950
Don't know how it is with 5e,
but in 4e it's +1 to all bodily stats (BOD,STR,AGI,REA) up to the limit.
So you'd have to buy the boosters only up to 1 of the limit

>>47883476
>complete lack of substance

Yeah, sorry kid but unlike on /a/ and /tv/, around here we don't really take absurd hyperbole like this seriously.


>inb4 "b-b-b-b-but I'm totes 27 and three quarter years old aniki!"

>>47884218
No, just 27 and half. I was born in december.

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>>47883950

I think it's supposed to stack with other 'ware.

There's a reason it's got availability 20 and costs 140,000¥

>>47884272
I think the bigger purpose is that it's essence efficient, doesn't have downsides the downsides of an adrenaline pump, and stacks with unusual things.

Wanna resist lotsa stuff? Get a good bone-mod and you have +1 body from the supathyroid and extra from the bone-mod.

Want to resist the crash of a rating 3 adrenaline pump even if you get unlucky and roll a six that you didn't need? Supathyroid and either magic or Cyber-singularity seeker and some limbs.

Why doesn't Shadowrun have diminishing returns?

Would you add them? To what?

>>47876160
You don't man, trust me, you don't.

Is there any reason to put a scope on your rifle, optical or otherwise, if you have a smartlink and your own vision devices?

>>47886188
If you wanted to free up some room in your own vision devices or wanted redundancy?

Can we assume that the failed Trump assassination is just an idiot new PC not doing any legwork?

>>47886291

How does anyone not know how retention holsters work? How is firearm ignorance so great in a country where guns are so ubiquitous?

>>47886493
>ignorance

That's a pretty big factor in pretty much everything in this country.

>>47886493
He was from the UK, that might be part of it.

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My punching adept has yet to take more than one punch to obliterate any target

Everyone else is using less than lethal ammo, and I kill everyone I meet with one punch

How badly can I expect this to come bite me in the ass

>>47886777
Dat triple 7.

Expect bigger and tougher enemies coming after you.

>>47886777
>Initiation Ordeal: 100 situps, 100 pushups, 10km run every day for a month
I can dig it.

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>>47886794

I feel like I should actually break out what kind of armor and bod it would take to have a statistical chance against me, but I think my bigger problem is going to be tactics employed against me. "Hey, we know about this guy, how do we stop him from punching us?" "uhhh. stand away from him and shoot him."

>>47886777
Did you make some kind of Bear-That-Walks-Through-Walls?

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>>47887005
MysAd with Prototype Transhuman and all sorts of special snowflake jazz

Throwing 17 dice for 13P Damage straight out of character creation.

Fun fact: since I finished that character and moved on to playing him, I've learned a few more tricks to squeeze out another few stats. Playing with a troll instead of human, 16(17? Forgot if I added Super human Psychosis before I closed it) Dice @ 17P

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>>47887344
The trick is to hit things really hard. With your fist.

>>47887415

>Strength 13(17)

17? Wait, what? I thought augmented max for Troll was 14.

>>47886945
>I feel like I should actually break out what kind of armor and bod it would take to have a statistical chance against me

Milspec (or anything else with enough hardened armor). But that's the kind of arms race a DM should be really wary to enter in.

>>47887454
That's no longer a troll.

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>19 Dice, 19P

And he's actually playable.

Goddamn.

>>47887562
Now you only need to save up Karma (and Nuyen) for either an Initiation or another Focus for "Smashing Blow". Then you won't even need breaching charges anymore.

>>47887454
Fomoraig metavariant/infected. They have a higher max than a troll.

>>47887562
I would personally rule that striking calluses don't stack with bone lacing to stop the absurdity of punching as hard as an anti-tank weapon.

do specializations count for the purpose of diagnostic dice I.e someone with automatic(AR) can get 8 extra dice or can they only get the 6

>>47887825
I don't think so. Specializations are described as granting a +2 dice bonus in specific circumstances; not as adding to the rating proper.

>>47887607

Character only has 4 MAG after all that used 'ware, and the one piece of foci is already a 4, so, nothin' doin there.

>>47887718

I thought long and hard about this and I think I would disagree:
Calluses add damage, straight up
Density Aug adds damage and changes it from S to P.

So your density aug allows you to hit harder without worrying about breaking your bones, and the calluses add to the damage because your striking surfaces have even less 'give' when you hit someone. More transmission of power.

But I can see the mechanical reason for wanting to limit that.

>>47887886
Bonus dice stack though. Pool = attribute + skill + modifiers. Modifiers can be like 2 (smartlink) + 2 (spec) + diagnostics = lotsadice.

>>47888037
Bone lacing does exactly that though, the skin over knuckles is extremely thin, so if you punch people you're only going to get either the striking callus or the lacing. Same goes if you use your shin/elbow/knee/forehead.

Essentially, striking callus = hard spot on your skin = lacing doesn't come into contact with the target = no stack.

>>47888037
's okay, get it during gameplay.

How would you stat Mankind Divided Adam Jensen in 5E Shadowrun? Would it be possible?

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>>47888176
Forgot me image.

the thought of a Troll Face makes me laugh. No am not referring to the terrible image macro, I am in fact talking about a Troll who has decided to become the party Face.

>>47888243
If you cheese it, a Troll can be pretty damn Face-y.

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>>47888243
>>47888418
Any advice on making a decent Troll adept in 5e who can both face and kick faces?

>>47888197
Depends. The concept of Adam Jensen is definitely doable, but a lot of his augmentations aren't available in Shadowrun's tech.

I read somewhere in past threads that by choosing a certain way on the array you can get more stuff than just using karma point buy. Can someone do a quick breakdown of that?

>>47888507
https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowrun/comments/2rhrlv/sr5priority_karma_values_and_sum_to_ten/

>47888571
Thanks, omae.
Do you have any idea where we can find those rules cheat cards for 5e? I just can't get through all the horrendous editing.

>>47888571
>>47888611
Link

>>47888454
First, you're going to want to see if you can budget and be allowed Exceptional Attribute (Charisma). It's not necessary unless you want to go for maximum Face-ness.

Then you want the nuyen to afford a Metatype Reduction cyberware (+1 max Cha) and Troll Reduction rating 2 (+2 max Cha). If you were able and allowed to take Exceptional Att: Charisma, this puts you at the same max as an Elf.

If you couldn't, that's still a max of 7, Reach 1, and the troll base physical stats to work with. Assuming standard grade for both, you've still got .2 Essence to play around with before you lose another point of Magic. Now if you want to go for Maximum Charisma, you'll need to get the cyberware at alphagrade and the quality Biocompatibility:Bioware, so that you can fit in a Genetic Optimization (Cha) and not go over one point of Essence. On the other hand, if you were already going to get more 'ware, that might not be super-important to you.