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>>47826082
God bless. I'm saving this.

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Brother Wai has joined the thread.

>he doesn't include the novel links in OP

Well fucking done, OP.

https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q

anybody got that vid of the that guy hot gluing the new wulfen?

>>47826101
I wish I had a girlfriend with a thigh gap as big as the gaps between that marines jump packs. Oh, and nipples as sharp as those mold lines.

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>>47826147
what

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>>47826101
I like Death Company they have nice models

>>47826078
Anon Please your hurting my autism specialist weapons don't get +1A from pistols and a Storm Bolter isn't a pistol so your power sword guy doesn't get +1A just swap them around

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>>47826163
I know, I'm pretty awesome at this huh?

Who is your favorite 40k character and why?

>>47826177
>That pic
But SoH, you ARE the heresy.

>>47826201
The Emperor. He is the best Dad figure in 30k years from now.

>>47826163
They're obviously his first models. At least give him advice after you meme the poor kid.

>>47826177
So hand flamer on my sergeant (the one with the power sword) and storm bolter on my Captain (lightning claw)? I'm (obviously) very new to the hobby but when I was trying to ask what would be an ideal loadout for my units it kind of irritated people. It was suggested I play more first before bothering with asking a lot of questions but since I'm not magnetizing units yet and generally have no idea what the fuck I'm doing I just went with what seemed cool.

>>47826192
Nigga are you outfitting your DC for ranged fighting

Also if you want more models the half of Deathstorm Box should still be preatty cheap on Ebay and a decent way to get a Termie-Captain, More terminators and DC and a DC dread

>>47826252
I kept getting suggestions that said throw bolters on my DC squad, after I glued the first one together it suddenly turned in to "chainswords and bolt pistols you fool". I'm probably just going to buy another squad after I get some more money to spend. How much is this mystical box and what's the other army included?

>>47826201
Hmmm.... That's a tough one.

I think I'll have to go with Khârn, as I'm not familiar enough with most characters of 40k, as I'm more into 30k myself. That, and Typhon/Typhus is just a dick.

>>47826292
>I think I'll have to go with Khârn
I mean, he is a pretty swell guy. Once you get to know him at least.

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>>47826068
If we must appease the jainitor. Offer him a sacrafice.
>>47826201
The Emperor. His agonizingly alone speech cemented his place as my favorite character.

>>47826201
Roboute Guilliman our spiritual liege.

>>47826284
I like bolter DC, throw one or two power fists on and they're good to go.

Jump pack in and rapid fire in someones face, then make use of their relentless and rage to charge.
drown the enemy in s4 attacks and decent amount of s8 ap2 if that doesn't do the job.

>>47826318
>His agonizingly alone speech?

>>47826201
Kaldor Draigo for carving his name into Mortarion's heart and noob stomping chaos.

>>47826331
That was the plan. My friend is going CSM/Daemons of Nurgle so softening him up with ranged then charging his ass with the glory of the Emperor sounded ideal. With the power fists, what do I put in their other hand? Bolt pistols to balance points?

>>47826201
Doomrider.

>>47826322
marneus calgar is the spiritual liege, m8

at least get your meme right

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>>47826249
Honestly keep your Sergeants cheep and cheerful with either Combi-X or Bolt Pistol/Power Weapon Sergeants you should kit out to be a CC beast so give him Lightning Claw Powerfist for a tried and true strategy

>>47826284
Death Company should ALWAYS be assault based the only reason I can think of to give them Bolters is Relentless, they jump in and fuck up a unit with power weapons and die horribly by a Russ

Deathstorm was a Nids V BA box set that came with a bunch of models a rule book Which you need you should be able to find it on ebay

>>47826338
This may take a few posts.
>‘WE ARE CURIOUS,’ came a mighty, anguished thought which itself transcended time.
>‘WE HAVE FOLLOWED YOUR INTRUSION INTO OUR SANCTUARY, OUR ANTRUM AND ADYTUM.’
‘My lord.’ Jaq sank to his knees. ‘I beg to report to you before I am destroyed. I may have uncovered a major conspiracy—’
>‘THEN WE WILL STRIP YOUR SOUL BARE. RELAX, MORTAL MAN, OR YOU WILL SURELY DIE IN SUCH PAIN AS WE ALWAYS ENDURE.’
Jaq breathed deeply, slowly, stilling the panic that fluttered under his ribs like a trapped bird. He surrendered himself. A hurricane roared through his mind.
If the story that he had thought to relate were a tangled forest – and if each event in that story were a tree – then within moments all the leaves were stripped away from all of the trees, denuding them to bare wintry twigs, to a raw basic life without the foliage of memories.
He was drained of his story; that was sucked from him in a trice, all of those leaves whirling into the mind-maw of the Master. Jaq gagged. Jaq drooled.
He was an imbecile, less than an imbecile.
He was less than a new-born baby.
He neither knew where he was, nor who he was – nor what it even meant to be a someone.
The inquisitor sprawled. All that was known to his body was distress, the gurglings of the guts, breath and light. Light from afar.

ABRUPTLY, ALL MEMORY flooded back. On that instant, each leaf sprouted anew to recloak the forest of his life.
>‘WE HAVE PUT BACK WHAT WE TOOK AND TASTED, INQUISITOR’
Trembling, Jaq regained his kneeling posture and wiped his lips and chin. The previous moments were a hideous limbo, unknowable, immeasurable. He was Jaq Draco again.
>‘WE ARE MANY, INQUISITOR.’ The voice boomed in his mind almost gently – if gently was how an avalanche would sweep away a doomed village, if gently was how a scalpel might strip a life to the bare aching bones.

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>>47826322
>favoring a lowly Primarch before the emperor.

I need to have a word about your loyalties... Please come step into my... Facilities.

>>47826201
lilith hesperaxe

because glue

>>47826413

>‘HOW ELSE COULD WE ADMINISTER OUR IMPERIUM—’
>‘AS WELL AS WINNOW THE WARP—’
>‘HOW ELSE?’
The Emperor’s mind-voice, if that truly was what it was, had dissociated into several voices, as if his great undying soul co-existed in fragments that barely hung together.
>‘SO DOES THE HYDRA THREATEN US?’
>‘IMPERILLING OUR GREAT AND AWFUL PLAN TO STEER HUMANITY?’
>‘DID WE OURSELVES DEVISE THE HYDRA?’
>‘PERHAPS IN A PART OF US, SINCE THIS HYDRA PROMISES A PATH?’
>‘SURELY A MALEVOLENT PATH; FOR HOW COULD HUMANITY EVER FREE ITSELF?’
>‘THEN WE MUST BE MALEVOLENT TOO. FOR WE HAVE EXPELLED OUR SENTIMENTALITY LONG AGO. HOW ELSE COULD WE HAVE ENDURED? HOW ELSE COULD WE HAVE IMPOSED OUR RULE?’
>‘YET BY VIRTUE OF THAT WE ARE PURE AND UNCONTAMINATED BY WEAKNESS. WE ARE GRIM SALVATION.

>>47826372
na, give everyone bolters but then give a few fists then put the fists at the back so they die last.

Daemons only care about the quantity of your attacks so DC should rip them easily, just what out for any larger daemons as they're most likely packing ap2, instant death.

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>>47826402

>>47826438
>‘NOTHING THAT SAFEGUARDS HUMANITY CAN BE EVIL, NOT EVEN THE MOST STRENUOUS INHUMANITY. IF THE HUMAN RACE FAILS, IT HAS FAILED FOREVER.’
>'WHEN WE CONFRONTED THE CORRUPTED, HOMICIDAL HORUS WHO ONCE USED TO SHINE LIKE THE BRIGHTEST STAR, WHO USED TO BE OUR BELOVED FAVOURITE – WHEN THE FATE OF THE GALAXY HUNG BY A THREAD – WERE WE NOT COMPELLED TO EXPEL ALL COMPASSION? ALL LOVE? ALL JOY? THOSE WENT AWAY. HOW ELSE COULD WE HAVE ARMOURED OURSELVES? EXISTENCE IS TORMENT, A TORMENT THAT MUST NOURISH US. EVIDENTLY WE MUST STRIVE TO BE THE FIERCE REDEEMER OF MAN, YET WHAT WILL REDEEM US?’
‘Great lord of all,’ whimpered Jaq, ‘did you know of the hydra before now?’
>‘NO, AND WE SHALL SURELY ACT IN DUE TIME—’
>‘YET SURELY WE KNEW. HOW COULD WE NOT KNOW?’
>‘ONCE WE HAVE ANALYSED THE INFORMATION WITHIN THIS SUB-MIND OF OURS.’
>‘HEAR THIS, JAQ DRACO: ONLY TINY PORTIONS OF US CAN HEED YOU, OTHERWISE WE NEGLECT OUR IMPERIUM, OF WHICH OUR SCRUTINY MUST NOT FALTER FOR AN INSTANT. FOR TIME DOES NOT HALT EVERYWHERE WITHIN THE REALM OF MAN. INDEED TIME ONLY HALTS FOR YOU.’

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>>47826407
I split the Dark Vengeance kit with a friend but he's holding on to the rule book. I kind of wanted my Sergeant to be nifty looking and have some powerful stuff so I guess I'll swap out the storm bolter for a pistol before I paint him. For my Captain are you suggesting powerfist and lightning claw? Cuz I don't think I have access to a right arm fist with what I have.

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I WANT NEW PLASTIC VEHICLE KITS RIGHT FUCKING NOW GW

GOD FUCKING DAMN

>>47826201
Dante, because I'm a Blood Angel fanboy

>>47826460

>‘WE ARE AN EVER-WATCHFUL LORD, ARE WE NOT? DID YOU HOPE TO GAIN OUR UNDIVIDED ATTENTION?’
>‘HOW ELSE SHOULD WE SOUL-BIND PSYKERS AND OVERVIEW THE WARP AND BEAM THE ASTRONOMICAN BEACON AND SURVIVE AND RECEIVE INFORMATION AND GRANT AUDIENCES ALL AT ONCE, UNLESS WE ARE MANY?’
>‘AND YET STILL WE MISS SO MUCH, SO VERY MUCH? SUCH AS THAT WHICH GUIDED YOU HERE.’
>‘OUR SPIRIT GUIDED YOU.’
>‘NO: ANOTHER SPIRIT, A REFLECTION OF OUR GOODNESS WHICH WE THRUST FROM US.’
>‘WE ARE THE ONLY SOURCE OF GOODNESS, SEVERE AND DRASTIC. THERE IS NO OTHER SOURCE OF HOPE THAN US.
>'WE ARE AGONISINGLY ALONE.'

>>47826413
>>47826438
>>47826460
>>47826514
fuck

>>47826514
>'I HAVE ORDERED THINE TO WALK THE PATH OF MYSELF AND YOU HAVE FAILED MANY TIMES'
>'WHEN CONFRONTED AT THE HOLY PALACE OF MC DONALDS, I HAVE ASKED FOR LARGE FRIES'
>'SHOULD IT BE FATE THAT INSTEAD, I RECEIVE MEDIUM?'
‘Great lord of all,’ whimpered Jaq, ‘Hail hydra'
>'THIS IS THE LAST TIME I LET THAT CLOWN OF A PRIMARCH PUT A PLACE OF MORTAL SUBSISTENCE IN MY PRESENCE'
>'ROGAL DORN CAN KISS MY ASS. TELL HIM TO UNFORTIFY THE AREA OF HIS HOUSES OF BURGER'
>'AND I SHALL SEE TO IT THAT JAGHATAI KAHN SHALL RECEIVE RIGHTS TO PUT A CASTLE OF WHITE IN THE GOLDEN THRONE ROOM'

>>47826446
The way the arms are I'm not sure I can get a decent looking bolter and fist pose. I still have 2 DC squad models I can put together, I'll see what I can do. So far the only big motherfucker my friend has is a Great Unclean One (and by that I mean he accidentally bought an 8mm metal model and I find it hilarious)

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What makes a battlewagon a dedicated transport?

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>>47826532
read the last paragraph

>>47826543
fuck

>>47826565
FUCK

>>47826082
F-U-C-K

>>47826485
>I split the Dark Vengeance kit with a friend but he's holding on to the rule book.
Don't even bother Converting them, just run them as DA allies, it looks better and you already have enough in the box to do it.

> kind of wanted my Sergeant to be nifty looking and have some powerful stuff so I guess I'll swap out the storm bolter for a pistol before I paint him
If you want your guns to look more powerful try a greenstuff cape or a fancier base

>For my Captain are you suggesting powerfist and lightning claw? Cuz I don't think I have access to a right arm fist with what I have.

There are websites that resell individual bits you should be able to get a powerfist from there the one I use is Bitzbox but if you search around you could probably get one for cheaper


Also for the love of god just get another DV rulebook of Ebay for a couple of quid

>>47826407
I was the one who suggested bolters. i see them as better than the bolt pistols as you can lay down enough rapid fire shots to pretty much make the 4 s4 hits per model worth it on the charge.
>>47826372
i personally reccomend for every 5 DC give at least one of them Power fist. Also give the guy with a powerfist a bolter instead of a pistol as the PF is a specialist weapon and can not get additional attacks from 2 melee weapons.i also personally like to give atleast another guy a PS and a bolt pistol just for some good AP2 at initiative 5 (if your using Baal Strike force that is)

>>47826565
I let out a single tear.


Also, can someone post something like this for the Agonizingly alone speech? I want to send both of these to my friend who wants to get into 40k, he's thinking either Space Marines or Necrons. I need to convince him to join Humanity.

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>>47826192
Probably Lord Flaccid cuz he has a 7" move, walks around with his dick out, and he ain't gotta cover shit.

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>>47826532
The years have not been kind to the old boy. He only has himself to talk to, and they're all in pain too. There was one priest that was most likely an aspect of the Emperor that helped a chaplain out with daemon slaying. Pic related is old Golden Throne art.

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>>47826634
>implying there's a choice

Tempestus Scions...

Do I really want to start this army? It would be as an allied force.

I currently play GK, BA, and SW.

Stormtroopers look awesome but this Tempestus book is only really half a book.

One troop choice, no elites, no fast attack, no relics, no heavy support.

How is this force supposed to be used?!

>>47826657
Oh my god...

>>47826668
They just look cool, theyre too absurdly expensive to be a good choice no matter what the circumstances.
I will say their new formation is probably the best way to run them though. Run 4 squads, when they die just deep strike them back in. Super gimmicky and near worthless, but thats how bad Scions are.

>>47826668
They're drop pod commandos that don't have to pay for or paint a drop pod. Take two special weapons (four in a command squad) and hope they don't scatter too poorly. Choose your weapons to complement the rest of the army (though you'll probably be taking plasma or melta most of the time)

>no fast attack
technically speaking you can buy taroxes and valkyries as fast attack chocies

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>>47826677
The Golden Throne is very much biomechanical and it too has a soul. It doesn't keep the Emperor company, but it does have arteries which get taken down and new ones are added by chainsaw face wearing tech priests.

>>47826631
>I was the one who suggested bolters. i see them as better than the bolt pistols as you can lay down enough rapid fire shots to pretty much make the 4 s4 hits per model worth it on the charge.

I supose it's just different tactics, I run mine with a Fist and 2 Swords It normally lets them munch through a Rhino then charge the Tac's inside

>>47826284
No, you got your info from 1d4chan, which is the only place that mentions it.

DC are designed for melee. The entire BA codex is not that great for range. Even +1S on charge isn't great. It's neat for mulching GEQ's, that's about it. Since you'll never get S10.

>>47826727
Servo skulls are the best thing in the damn world i want a pet one to cuddle

>>47826631
>PS
>AP2

You what, son? You mean PA?

>>47826631
Ive never seen or heard of anyone kitting DC with bolters. Thats like kitting Devastators for assault.

>>47826787
am i a fucking tard today or something how the fuck have a messed up that power swords are ap3

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>>47826645
I am offended by this.
>>47826630
>run them as DA allies
Ugh I'm starting to think my friend got the better end of the deal cuz I don't want anything other than BA right now. Although not like I would be able to convert them with my level of skill. I think until I get a few games under my belt I'll just say they're BA units as to not overwhelm myself with trying to remember 2 codices on top of trying to help my friend learn CSM and Daemons. He keeps looking up lore and shit and I'm like "nigga that's cool but learn how to fucking play!"
>bitz
I'm going to open my DC kit and hope there's a spare fist for right arm although I highly doubt it.
>>47826756
Right now our armies are mainly infantry, his Helbrute and my Dreadnought are the only vehicles we have outside the bike squad I don't want to use yet.
>>47826769
see
>>47826756

>>47826631
and I was the one who told him that vs MEQ all you're doing is swapping the to hit/to wound rolls around and fucking yourself over in further combat rounds.

>>47826818
well i did so i must be a fucking mutant

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>>47826727
Alright, kiddies, ever wondered who kept the Throne working? Here you go. These gents(maybe ladies) get to be close to the Emperor, and keep him alive.
>>47826777
Someone needs to die to make them though.

>>47826830
Oh shit, the DC squad came with a right arm Fist.. but there's only one fist in the kit. That leaves my DC squad with chainswords, a power sword, and a thunder hammer. What do?

>>47826902
either give it a bolt pistol or do what i did and do some minor surgery to make a left handed bolt gun.

>>47826902
>That leaves my DC squad with chainswords, a power sword, and a thunder hammer. What do?

Give 2 Chainsword, TH are 5 points more than a PF but look cooler and concuss people, give a guy a power sword and wait until you have another sword and give it to your other DC guy

Then hey presto you have a MEQ mulching Rhino Busting fuck machine

>>47826982
No I mean of the two models I haven't built yet I'm left with chainswords, a power sword, and a thunder hammer. The rest of my bozo squad are seen here >>47826192
(Hopefully I'm not misunderstanding you)

>>47826841
my current loadout for my DC is a 10 man squad with a drop pod. 6 of them of have a bolter+chainsword 2 with a bolter+PF and 2 BP+PS.

Orky speed army.
Whatcha fink, /tg/?
Painboy, big mek in the mekboy junka with da burnaz

Tankbustas and lootas in the big trakks without the supa kannon.

+++ New Roster (1850pts) +++

++ Orks: Codex (2014) (Ork Great Waaagh! Detachment) ++

+ HQ +

Big Mek [Choppa, Gubbinz: Mega Force Field, HQ, Mek's Tools, Shokk Attack Gun, Stikkbombs]
Mekboy Junka (FW) [3x Big Shoota, Deff Rolla, Grot Riggers, Turbo-charga, Turret-mounted Junka Shokk Attack Gun]

Painboy ['Urty Syringe, Dok's Tools, 3x Grot Orderly, HQ]

+ Elites +

Burna Boyz
8x Burna Boy [8x Burna, 8x Stikkbombs]

Tankbustas
12x Tankbusta [12x Rokkit launcha, 12x Stikkbombs, 12x Tankbusta Bombs]

+ Troops +

Boyz
Boss Nob [Power Klaw, Slugga, Stikkbombs]
10x Boy [10x Choppa, 10x Slugga, 10x Stikkbombs]
Trukk [Big Shoota]

Boyz
Boss Nob [Power Klaw, Slugga, Stikkbombs]
10x Boy [10x Choppa, 10x Slugga, 10x Stikkbombs]
Trukk [Big Shoota]

Boyz
Boss Nob [Power Klaw, Slugga, Stikkbombs]
10x Boy [10x Choppa, 10x Slugga, 10x Stikkbombs]
Trukk [Big Shoota]

+ Heavy Support +

Big Trakks (FW)
Big Trakk [2x Big Shoota, Supa-kannon]
Big Trakk [2x Big Shoota, Supa-kannon]
Big Trakk [2x Big Shoota, Supa-kannon]

Big Trakks (FW)
Big Trakk [2x Big Shoota, 2x Grot Sponson, Supa-kannon]
Big Trakk [2x Big Shoota, 2x Grot Sponson]
Big Trakk [2x Big Shoota, 2x Grot Sponson]

Lootas
11x Loota [11x Deffgun, 11x Stikkbombs]
Mek [Choppa, Kustom Mega-blasta, Mek's Tools, Stikkbombs]

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Techmarine=95
Servo-harness

Tactical squad=180
10 marines, combi-plasma, plasma gun, plasma cannon, The Imperial Space Marine

Tactical squad=170
10 marines, power sword, grav gun

Scout squad=60
Sniper rifles

Sternguard squad=320
10 marines, plasma gun, melta gun, 2 combi-plasmas, 2 combi-meltas, rhino

Dreadnought=100
Ironclad dreadnought=145
Heavy flamer
Venerable dreadnought=140
Plasma cannon, heavy flamer

Culexus assassin=145

Eversor assassin=135

1490 points

Any idea what to do with the last 10 points?

>>47826822
It's OK bro. We all make mistakes. I'll just assume you mistyped. S is next to A after all.

>>47826830
Look, I get why they're run with Bolters, but there is no point in replacing them all as the +1A will be more useful when you get into charge. Sheer attack numbers will wreck most.

>>47827108
From what I've been told, sniper rilfes are pretty bad on scouts these days.

>>47827113
So what do I equip my last two models with? Again, bozo squad shown here >>47826192
(Sorry if this is like talking to a potato)

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>>47827058
How do you fancy kicking your enemies’ teef right in, boss? How about a turn-two charge featuring over thirty Ork Boys getting right up in your opponent’s dismayed face before they have time to react? Sounds pretty good to us. With this bundle, unless your dice are afflicted by a terrible curse, you’ll be able to close in on pretty much anything on a gameboard. It’s fast, it’s dirty and it’s gleeful – pure Ork goodness.

This bundle contains 3 Deff Roller Battlewagons and 3 sets of Ork Boyz, designed to tear across the table as fast as possible and smash faces. You’ll have a lot of fun with it...

So would any friends have an idea of paint sets that aren't a load of bullocks like Citadel in price?

I literally can't figure out how many paints are really needed for an army of Orks.

>>47827161
Also I forget even if the model isn't shown carrying a chainsword, they still have a chainsword equipped... Right? (Unless you specifically replace it with another weapon)

>>47827177
Vallejo is prob what you are looking for. There are somethings that you should buy from gw such as Mepheston Red and Argax Earthshade

>>47827177
Citadel's decent, but in shit containers. Everything for minis you can find will be priced like that.
Go find a hobby lobby and buy one paint at a time using their coupons.

>>47827201
yes they do unless you replaced the chainsword.

>>47827230
And a little of Nuln Oil. And as always, remember to give your paints a good shake before each use.

Hello /tg/.
I need to put magnets on the bases of my minis for storage, because I'm being informed it's the best way to transport them.
Does anyone have a recomendation of size? I'm an ork player so lots of vehicles and infantry. I've got the citadel bases and some resin ones that don't have that dip, and I want to put the magnets on the minis because ammo cans are rad as hell.

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>>47827167
aaaaahahahahaHAHAHAHAHA

>>47827230
>>47827262
Thanks mates. My main problem is I'm just scared of not using Citadel and getting called out for it irl at the local GW establishments.

>>47827273
That would explain part of why I am so retarded. Power sword/bolt pistol on one model and Thunder Hammer on the other then?

>>47827325
Why? Anon, even forge world doesn't use citadel for everything. I still recommend citadel because of their dry paints, washes, and technical paints.

>>47827167
turn two
initiative two
melee army

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>>47826201
Fabius Bile.

In his life he found himself sorrounded by dogmas, sacred traditions, by work considered perfect and insuperable, and he say: "Fuck it, I'm going to work on it and make it better".

There is nothing sacred to him, there is only efficiency and progress.

I can only admire him.

>>47827387
>efficiency
>bile
he takes pride in not being efficient

Looking to magnetize my bases. I have some slotted ones, and ones with bases that don't have the dip like citadel ones. Anyone have any recommendations on how to do this?

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>>47827380
TURN 2 CHARGE

INITIATIVE 2

2 GODS

2 METHODS OF FIGHTIN (CHOPPIN AND DAKKA)

2 TROOP CHOICES Kek

2 LEGS, 2 EYES

2 MELEE WEAPONS

DEEPEST LORE

>>47827409
Efficiency of his creations, not how he works.

He's a mad scientist afterall.

Are you lonely?

>>47827478
his creations are so dangerously unstable that they start falling apart after one battle

>>47827497
Yes, but they do the job required. His monsters are frightening weapons.

And after that, he improves them. Over and over, he tries to make them better.

>>47827526
>but they do the job
he's usually on the run or in hiding because loyal marines push his shit in

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>>47827387
You idolize a child playing with things he hardly understands.

Rakarth is the father of such creations, and has been immersed in the craft far longer.

>>47827578
rakarth pleases old eldar for money

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(What the fuck am I doing with my life)

>>47827439
>>47827380
And codex 5+

I shouldn't make fun really because I'm pretty happy with my orks as they are. I beat some pretty strong lists quite badly with my orks.

My crowning achievement is tabling a grey knight/knight player turn two and beating a medusa strike force pretty soundly.
I'm going to take on an imperial fists skyhammer/librarius conclave this week end so wish me luck.

>>47827663
>turn two
blitz brigade represent

>>47826201
Celestine
Refuses to fierceness when killed

What imperial knight houses fought in the armageddon wars (if any)?

>>47827691
How did die turn into fierceness

>>47827685
Na, it was 1000 points so his army was only 2 super terminator units and a knight. Tank bustas/nobs charged the knight, paladin squad with grandmaster and librarian got wiped by a lucky round of shooting from mek guns and that left a termie squad to face 40 boyz on their own.

>>47827108
>unironically taking the Imperial Space Marine
Seriously, though, you might as well sick a Post-It to your forehead with "Cunt" written on it.

>>47827744
None, Knights weren't as much part of the lore back then

>>47827578
But Rakarth didn't have to challenge anything sacred to him.
Rakarth could always do anything he wants, he's a Dark Eldar, it's normal to them to craft flesh and do sick stuff.

Fabius had to challenge everything everyone believed at the time, and his work drive him far away from everybody else.
But he did it, and never looked back. What he do is questionable, but it's his passion for trying and make things better no matter what people believe is what makes me love that character.

>>47827575
Plot armor is strong.
His creations are marvelous and he did make the Emperor's Children better astartes, by gibing them the Sonic Shrieker and other extra organs.

>>47827791
goddamn it why did I buy this renegades shit

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>>47827108
>The Imperial Space Marine

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>>47827791
>None
exact numbers and force organizations present in any of the armageddon wars has never really been a thing

armageddon 1/2/3 were big. Titan legion big. And titan legions back then brought their subordinate knightly houses with them.

>>47827108
josh is that you?

>>47827892
makes a lot of sense

>>47827108
ditch the scouts

take rhinos for your tactical squads

>>47827108
where are your transports

>>47827867
>>47827788
There is literally nothing wrong with it unless you're playing to win, it's a cool mini.

You don't play win... do you, anon?

>>47827892
So I can see lists of titan legions that participated but hard to find the IK house associations

>>47827931
>nothing wrong with taking the free cheese marine
wew

>>47827867
Having used it a few times (in for fun games only, always with my opponents permission first, because I'm not a dick), it's really not that great. Sure the weapon is awesome, but the unit it's in is almost always the first one to go. It gets a fuck ton of firepower in it's direction.
It's a very good distraction carnifex though.

>>47827825
Because knights are fucking awesome?
In fact I just got through playing a 500 point game for the current narrative campaign my group is doing, my obsidian knight (though I just fielded him as a regular knight paladin) veruses my opponents heretical skitarii.
It was a fuck ton of fun, even if I did get tabled. Though he did only have one model left at the end, and I technically won it in terms of the campaign, since I killed more points than he did. But seriously, as long as your opponent is aware and ok that your fielding knights, then they are amazingly fun to play.

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>>47827931
>There is literally nothing wrong with it

>>47827940
Well, as far as I'm aware, titan legions no longer have associated houses. I could be wrong.
Just role up and fluff your own.
I'd suggest making them mechanicus aligned, to repersent how they worked with the titan legions.
In fact, I have the creation table pulled up right now. Just roll a 1d10 to start

>>47827656
Upon further notice, his right arm is barely even attached. I need some green shit.

>>47828060
i got a bud thatll sell you an ounce for like 5 bucks man.

>>47828059
oo thanks looking at that now

>>47828085
Is this a drug deal or what?

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I want to believe

>>47828183
>tfw no 2d nazi tank gf

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>>47827988
I lost a tyrant to it in a tournament prep game. Good times.

>>47827988
fielding a Knight in a 500 point game huh

>>47828183
Meme tank.

>>47828257
If it's a Tiger, she'll break down on you all the time, get stuck in difficult terrain, if she ever gets hurt you'll have to take her to the specific hospital she was born in, plus you'll wonder why you're investing all his time and money into her when the Panther twins would do you better in the long run.

>>47827931
>nothing wrong with a free 18" instant death you paid $40 to gain access to

I genuinely feel bad for you, because people probably dislike you without you even realizing it. Try second guessing yourself once in a while.

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>>47828529
I'm tired of the 24/7 smug looks from the panther twins. Gotta get a nice british gal to settle down with.

>>47828486
Merely for fun. We've been a grouo for a really long fucking time. I would never do that unless I was playing extremely close friends like that. And even then we made sure everyone was ok with that.

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>>47828679
Or russian

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>>47826201

>loses arm fighting Ork in melee
>Ork laughs
>stabs laughing Ork to death
>steals his power klaw

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>>47826662

>is there any other belief system that tells you that you are capable and that you are good?

>>47828880
Feminism? Or does that actually teach that you are oppressed and a victim of 'the other', like every religion?

>>47828880
Christianity is kinda like that. The whole thing is though that churches really underplay the importance of jesus. He died so the Old testimate would be void and the only virtues of getting into heaven is by striving to be like jesus. That means abandon hate and seek to bring good from yourself and others.

>>47828915

He's implying Ayn Rand's Obejctivism philosophy is like the Imperial Creed. I'm not touching the feminism comment because I don't want this thread turning into /pol/

>>47828936
Christianity is underpinned by the concept of Original Sin - that because Adam fell, all humans are tainted by sin and therefore cannot enter the presence of God. To be cleansed from sin, an atoning Savior is needed to pay the price of judgment in the sinner's place.

Christ's gospel does teach people to be good, and that men are capable of good, but it also presupposes that all men are inherently tainted by sin and require saving, which is only granted through subservience to Christ.

Know that I'm not anti-Christian, I'm just trying to be fair regarding their doctrine.

>>47828679
Where is my Churchill VII? Or Firefly? Or Achilles? Black Prince(ss)?

>>47828649
I want to see the Sturm Tiger.

>>47829058
But in all fairness we do have to learn unselfishness, and 'evil' or 'sinful' acts are ultimately expressions of said selfishness.

>>47829114
I want to see the Maus. I'm picturing a giant overweight mousegirl.

>>47829114
I want to see the Maus, and the ИC-7.

>watching Dawn of War 3 footage
>Eh it doesn't look TOO bad....

>Female Knight pilot
Okay, that's not breaking canon, I'm happy with that, despite her ordering Gabe around

>Building a unit of Tactical Squads has the units arrive via an elevator dug into the ground
Okay...? Space Marines don't build bases, why not do the Dawn of War 1 way where they arrive via a Thunderhawk/Drop Pod?

>Lascannons are a constant beam and do more damage the longer they hit a target
COME THE FUCK ON. YOU GOT IT WORKING RIGHT IN DOW1 AND DOW2. WHY HAVE YOU DONE THIS? LASCANNONS ARE EXPLAINED IN MULTIPLE SOURCES ON HOW THEY WORK.

>Can mix squads up, Tactical and Devestators
That... Ah forget it.

>Orbital Strike does more damage the longer the beam hits and the more it kills
Forget it. It's Dawn of Starcraft now.

Whelp, that's another 40k game to dump into le bin.

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>>47829139
Nah, I'm thinking the cute and slightly chubby mousegril, who may or may not be self-conscious about it. Who is also taller than all of her other sisters.

>>47829141
GLORIOUS SOVIET ENGINEERING! Seriously though, a 68 Ton tank that could go 56 kph and was immune to it's own 130mm sounds awesome.

>>47829139
>>47829141
Pffft. The Maus never saw combat. At least the Sturm Tiger did. If you want it, I want the Conqueror and the FV215b because they were at least designed and the latter had a mockup.

Shadowsword is based on the FV215b I believe.

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>>47829207
Tank was way too heavy. Plus moving fast is useless when you can't shoot without decent aiming assists or skill. If you stop, you put lots of pressure on the breaks and stuff.

There is a reason Centurion was copied the most post WW2.

>>47829306
>no FV215 183mm anime grill

As I said, Shadowsword was based on it. I'm still pissed off I can't take Shadowblades in a Super Heavy Company Formation.

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>>47829340
Take a lemanruss ragnarok instead.

>>47829329
Being heavy was it's only problem. It was perfect everywhere else, and was claimed to be comfortable by it's test crew.

Let me defend my tankfu, please.

>>47828085
>ounce
>5 bucks
What's wrong with it? I don't want to end up buying a bag of yard clippings again.

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>>47829184
Don't you have a YouTube comments section to be shitposting in, Kitten?

>>47829503
Come on anon, how is anything about DoW3 looking good? It's cover system has been destroyed because it's "too complicated" for new players. The dev's have said DoW3 will be an 'introduction to 40k lore' for new players. Which, to the best of my knowledge, isn't what fans of DoW1+2 want. They said they want it to be the 'most accessible DoW3 yet', which would be fine, but it's ended up going 'fuck the lore' despite trying to introduce people TO the lore. They said they want to make it more 'colourful' and 'less gritty', despite releasing a trailer of the opposite. They don't want it to be 'grimdark'. Finally, they can't even get the Space Marine portions right.

I'm 100% of the belief that none of the old Relic crew are working on it.

>>47829423
It's OK anon, you do that. It never even enter production. It was a nice idea, but tanks over 65t are not viable, really. 60-65 has only just gotten viable due to tracks and suspension tech.

I always loved the M103 too.

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>>47829696
It makes me sad that the m103s are sitting statues that are functional anymore. If i ever get money some how, I will see about buying one for restoration from one of the american armour museums.

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>>47829825
Aren't*

>>47829825
I also like the T-10M.

I kind of want to go full Bretonnia and run jump pack VV and bike Command Squads with storm shields and power lances with White Scars tactics. Would it work/be at all effective? Has anyone used power lances to good effect?

>>47829837
I don't if this is shit-posting or not but

>STOP POSTING TANK GIRLS IN THE WARHAMMER 40K GENERAL

>>>>>>>>>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>47829666
I think its too early to pass judgement on it, Satan. The most that they have shown is prerecorded "game play" on what appears to be a demo level. If they really do mean that the game is in a "pre-alpha" state then it isn't fair to be optimistic or pessimistic because the game could change quite wildly as it moves to completion. It is also incredibly fucking stupid for them, or anyone, to even consider showing a game in this state, as it leads to massive overreactions and cementing of opinions long before the game is feature-complete.

Relax, give it time, it might look better when it gets closer to release in 2017.

But the Space Marine proportions in the trailer is pretty fucking inexcusable. I can't fathom why anyone thought that looked good.

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>Post YFW the Dark Eldar Start Collecting Formation isn't absolute garbage

>>47830056
Its for kitbashing and lore stimulation purposes.

>>47829666
Did you see the NGN interview? I don't know how to feel about the campaign being: Space Marine Mission, Eldar Mission, Ork Mission, repeat. I wonder what questions the devs will answer after E3 since there has been a lot the moment they announced the game, even more once gameplay started getting posted.

I'm concerned if they do keep the piss beam Lascannons, because when/if Imperial Guard gets added I don't want my Lasguns treated the same way.

>>47830116
formation rule: dark eldar in raiders can shoot at full BS when the raider jinks (again)

>>47830194
While a slap in the face, it wouldn't be a garbage bonus.

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>>47826177
So he's looking in a mirror?

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>>47830056
This is purely educational.

Is trukk spam a decent way to get orkz into close combat?

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>>47830286
How do you fancy kicking your enemies’ teef right in, boss? How about a turn-two charge featuring over thirty Ork Boys getting right up in your opponent’s dismayed face before they have time to react? Sounds pretty good to us. With this bundle, unless your dice are afflicted by a terrible curse, you’ll be able to close in on pretty much anything on a gameboard. It’s fast, it’s dirty and it’s gleeful – pure Ork goodness.

This bundle contains 3 Deff Roller Battlewagons and 3 sets of Ork Boyz, designed to tear across the table as fast as possible and smash faces. You’ll have a lot of fun with it...

So a DC squad model can have a power weapon and a bolter equipped?

>>47830382
yes buy why would you do that? unless its a specialist weapon then sure but if its a normal powersword then just get the pistol for the extra attack.

>>47830407
Yeah I'm just a little confused by the wording in the codex. Like, it makes it sound like I can even do a thunder hammer and a bolter.

>>47830539
you can

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>>47830370
Well meme'd sir. I see your blitz brigade meme and raise it to NOBZ IN A 'NAUT

>>47830569
Oh... well shit.. I get confused with what the model shows versus what the codex says. If my model is holding a thunder hammer in two hands it feels odd having it shoot. So I take it the optimal equipment is a bolt pistol and thunder hammer then since the pistol can count as ccw right?

>>47830746
A thunder hammer is a specialist weapon, so you need another specialist weapon to get the bonus for having two CCW.

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>>47829666
>>47830092
he's right to be worried though. "the most accessible DOW yet" does not sound good. Most of the time when a hobby as niche as ours tries to be accessible to a mainstream audience, they end up pissing off their core fans while also failing to get the casuals in.

>>47830746
for thunder hammers and fists you want bolters since specialist weapons dont get an extra attack when used with a bolt pistol

everything else you want pistols

>>47829925
it should be effective outside WAAC top teir tournament lists.
I run Khorne bikers (modeled on fantasy chaos knight horses) and the sergeants power lances hit nicely on th charge.

>>47830785
>>47830804
Ah I missed that, thank you.

so /tg/ i cant seem to get youtube to work so now that i have some time alone with my models how do i clean the dust off them?

Why did you all died. Please come back. I miss my many personality shards.

>>47831588
Fellow burgers are sleeping now, sorry anon.
And I just want to remember the 7,000 point IW list I has and forgot to wirte down.

>>47831586
toothbrush or keyboard cleaner.

>>47831609
thank you

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>>47831606
We're not all asleep. I just got back from golfing and saw this box on my door step. Time for a quick unboxing.

have you ever realized how funny space marines look without their pauldrons.

>>47831634
>inb4 dragon dildos

>>47826201
VULKAN! LIVES!

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>>47831663
Too small. These are my first purchase with 40K. Time to start collecting.

>>47831684
Are those the kasrkin models? Nice!

>>47831606
>7,000 point IW list
?

>>47831684
Welcome to the hobby
>not accounting for small dragon dildos
the fuck is wrong for you

>>47831684
Someone has good tastes.

>>47826201
>Who is your favorite 40k character
Gunther Soreson.
>why?
Because I wish I could do as he did if faced with the same situation

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>>47831640
I had to google that there, and honestly they look pretty cool even without pauldrons.

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>>47831702
>>47831703
>>47831705
Time to start stripping. I like the look of these models. Didn't know they would be this small, smaller then my thumb. But for $45, I really can't complain.

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>>47826201
Lorgar Aurelian.


He only wanted the truth.

>>47831722
oh yea when i assembled my first ones i was shocked at their size myself. i thought they were bigger and mistakenly bought some rather large brushes.

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>>47831773
Still impressed by the level of detail though.

>>47831787
oh yea its amazing how much detail is in small chunks of plastics/metal. some of the most detailed models are rather fucking small.

>>47831807
Any advice for removing these tiny mold lines in between the legs for pewter? Just the same as plastic?

>>47831836
Yeah, just be more careful or you may find yourself sculpting back on those tiny details.

>>47831870
Duly noted. Just be patient I guess.

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>>47831787

I still prefer the old old ones

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>>47831900
Oh yeah? Well I prefer the old old old ones!

>>47831773
>>47831722
I think that happens to alot of people, the first box of models i bought were from a gw store. They had dark vengance set up and the models were so much smaller than i expected i almost changed my mind.
No regrets though, if you can get every little detail without filling them in with excess paint then great or you can learn to pick out the important ones for the "tabletop standard"

And the importance of having a small enough brush cannot be underestimated

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What lore did you write for Your Dudes?

>>47831586
A very large brush.

>>47831967
An Ordo Malleus Inquisitor and his warband of stormtroopers, acolytes and a small group of Exorcist Space Marines are being guided by fragments of Malal (generally appearing as a strange, blue-gray "daemonette") to kill a fuckload of daemons and attempt to seriously weaken the forces of Chaos from within the Eye itself. The daemonette also seems to manifest minor fragments of the other Chaos Gods, and indeed anyone she meets (and especially those she kills personally) make some impression on her behavior.

The daemonette is also trying to stop the other fragments of Malal from returning so she can keep her free will and not destroy the existence and universe she has come to care for.

The end is going to be on the last day of 999.M41, when the Inquisitor realizes what the daemonette has been alluding to in her esoteric, prophetic, philosophical language: a daemon can only be truly defeated--a portion of Chaos completely organized--by revealing the truth of its opposite. Show a Khorne Prince the power of forgiveness; heal not only the body of a Great Unclean One but also its mind; teach a sorceror the joy of simplicity; reveal to She Who Thirsts the purpose of reservation and the guidance gained by failure and imperfection.

He realizes this, and then the plot stops moving.

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>>47831678
"Into the fires of battle, unto the anvil of war!"

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>>47831967
An Ork warband that are somehow always the unintentional good guys.

Like a Space Marine company will land on a unawakened tomb world, but then the Orks so happen to be there and after a grueling battle decide both sides fuck off before awakening the Necrons inhabiting the planet.

Maybe it's my retarded sense of humor, but I love thinking of abstarct ways for them to be portrayed as "good guys"

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>>47832109

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>>47832221
Oh shit that quote is legit. This cocksucker just keeps on giving...

>>47831967
They're a mixture of orks that have fallen into the warp. A mixture of tribes, and multiples of the same ork, even pre and post mega armor ghazghkull thanks to warpfuckery.

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can you guys rate my custom apocalypse scenario?

>>47831967
The story of my IG regiment comes from the fall of Haakonath. My regiment was detached off from a crusade to help the PDF fight of the ork invasion. After many months, the men of the guard and that of the local populace and PDF had bonded, almost if they all hailed from the same planet. With the help of the Star Phantoms, the orks were being held off at bay until a massive Hrud migration occured planet side.

Unknown to those bellow, a small band of Inquisitors had planted heretical dooms day device that had warp tearing properties. They had known that the Hrud migration was going to happen and instead of planing ahead or sending help, they decided to test out their new toy on the planet.

As the final three thousand men were left on the planet was left on the planet, the device went off and the planet was basically playing one foot pong between reality and the warp.

With all the sorrow that had happened and the countless loses that the men had suffered, they all had one unified thought as they were to meet their death. Revenge.

With that, the echoing from the device and the thoughts of the men dying there had almost carved a notch for itself into the warp. Almost a groove that had suddenly appeared but had always been there.

The planet was gone and the inquisitors were unable to pinpoint the location of the device due to a plasma storm rolling in from the sudden gravitational flux. Deeming it a lost cause, the inquisitorial band hid their ships among the remaining Star Phantom legion battlebarge and their ships as they began to warp out of the area.

A small orb with an Aquilla with a large X going through the middle now floats freely in space. The orb seems to almost float in a controlled manner.

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So I'm going to start building a Carcharodons SM army that I'd like to model in older marks of armor to fit lore. If I buy Betrayal at Calth will there be enough chainswords to properly outfit my sharks? Is the a better way to go about building the army? Looking for any input.

>>47832528
calth comes with 3 chainswords...

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>played a game against grey knights today against my undivided daemons
>warlord libby kills himself via perils turn 2, he managed to roll 4 perils in a roll
>bloodthrister manages to give him 6++ via book but can still reroll failed invuls
>dreadknight gets force off but psilencer wounds are all saved
>they get into combat but the bloodthrister just instant kills the dread with axe of khorne
>bloodthrister then goes into a unit of terminators but dies fast
>i had to leave early but the game ended 5 to 3 my favor from cards
>hfw the dreadknight gets punked

i get the feeling that maybe the grey knights aren't that awesome at hunting daemons. invisiblity is nice but i can just ignore that unit and vortex of doom is nice but the chance of perils is too high. also perils are hilarious

>>47832500
>cont.

50 Terran years later, the people of of a backwater planet prepared to give their reports on how they were suddenly able to defend against a tyranid splinter fleet with a pdf force with third hand stub guns. The inquisition almost had the planet sanctioned for cleansing by the flame until footage from the planetary governor/priest showed what happened.

In the midst of a nid invasion, a silver streak rained from the heavens and stroke the ground like a thousand earthshaker cannons going at once. The video begins to scatter before recollecting itself. What looks to be a thin slit in the sky from where the asteroid hit the planet and where it entered.

Wind begins to cyclone around the area where the thing landed before the slit begins to glow an unearthly bright white. The PDF could do nothing, standing still trying to comprehend what was happening. The Slit had opened wide as a almost ghastly like baneblade had flew nearly 80mph into one of the Heierophants closing in onto the slit. Not far after, 3000 specters pour out and begin to charge. Around them are various Imperial guard vehicles behaving as if they were beasts acting on instinct. A group of Leman russ tanks begin to rev their spectral engines, the void itself seeming to come out of the exhaust, before soon following with a massive charge through the wave of nids. A pack of Sentinels without pilots roam around the city blocks. Groups of citizens telling tales of how they would be corned by genestealers only for the pack to come around. Sometimes using flamers or else using their metal feet to continuously stomp onto the genestealers, reducing their bodies to goo and powder.

It would seem that the 3000 spectrals would not do well against the nid army, seeing as they would fall to the weakest of swings, but as each group of three hundred would fall, the slit would begin to pulse out again. Soon would another three hundred specters would by flying into battle.

>>47832553
Wow. That's terrible...

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Couple questions on Vanquishers:

Is it ever worth taking a Leman Russ Vanquisher with a Lascannon over Melta Vets in a Chimera? Same point cost (145) if the vets only take 2 Meltaguns.

Would a Vanquisher with a Lascannon and Plasma Cannon sponsons be a viable and cheaper option to the Executioner when dealing with both vehicles and heavy infantry? Vanquisher would be 175 points, Executioner 185 (195 with Lascannon).

I'd take Lascannon sponsons if I could.

>>47832685
The camera begins to fall after a nasty shake had thrown it to the ground, continuing to only show a local priest singing litanies to the Emperor for he has delivered angels upon them.

The Inquisition would continue to question each of the members of the planet, searching for signs of warp taint or corruption in the streets, and even having navigators look through the warp around the area. The physical markins of where that baneblade had landed are firmly planted in the pavement outside, as are the craters and various laser markings from lasguns that weren't even present on the planet till the inquisition got there.

The locals have began to tell tales to those that they know off world about these strange specters. Rogue traders begin to spread these tales as well. The fringes of the imperil sector know of the legend of the specters and the name that was given to them by the people of the planet.

For a single hole was found through one of the moons that surrounded the planet. A perfect diameter all the way through between the void and the planet bellow. So, the people of the planet soon came to call their knights in shining, spectral armor the the knights of their moon.

The knights of Cydonia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjXWtEqs8I4

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>>47831967

The Armageddon 87th (Armageddon Eighty-Seven) "Iron Horses" were recruited for the defense of Hive Acheron just prior to the Third War for Armageddon. They are a mixed regiment, highly mechanized as all Steel Legion forces, but with several conscripted hive ganger militias in their ranks, as well.

As the war fell upon, them, the 87th was witness to Hermann von Strab's treacherous infiltration of Acheron and surrender of the hive to the Orks. Penned in on one side by advancing Ork armor and on the other by their own captured city, the 87th was forced to abandon their defenses and storm their own home city. Acheron was liberated, but only after intense and bloody civil war in its urban spires. the 87th's attrition rate was over 70%, but native Acheron loyalists stepped in to replace the fallen until the hive was liberated, though now nearly a ruin.

>>47832686
Not really. Chainswords were pleb weapons back then. When you had much neater weapons and power varieties were diamond dozen, it's unlikely to have them.

Should be plenty of chainswords left over from other kits. You could try ebay for bulk bitz.

>>47832713
I was always under the impression that sponsons were silly to take due to the ease your LR can get melted these days and each one with a sponson is a tastier target.

But, I dunno.

>>47832769
I'm thinking of shaving off the faces of my guardsmen. Maybe even making my own head/arm molds and make a clear plastic set for my Knights to make them more ghost like.

>>47830116
Kabalite Raiding Party
Members of this formation receive a +1 to Power from Pain as long as the Archon is alive.

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I was posting yesterday about my Raptors.

It was said that adding a plasma pistol, instead of bolt pistol to my raptor champion would cost 15 points. Where do I find that information out? Is that somewhere in the rules or codex?

>>47832686
it comes with 3 powerswords and 6 powerfists or 3 claws 3 powerfists

>>47832794
>diamond dozen

Should be "dime a dozen" FYI.

What's the best unknown faction/fluff tg?

>>47832836
Wargear list of your codex has point costs for all upgrades.

>>47832713

The existence of hullpoints has really stolen the vanquisher's thunder. Yes it can reliably pen armor 14, but you need to do that 3 times to drop the heavy targets you bought the thing for. Given your BS, that means it takes nearly the entire game for the thing to do its job. 1 HP per turn just isn't worth it, imo.

Sponsons help, but you are placing a lot of eggs in a basket that is very easily wrecked by infantry these days and is not very mobile. Melta vets are better:

>greater mobility
>greater reliability (2-3 melta shots, with orders if you dismount)
>compartmentalized points. Opponent blows the chimera, your guys get out and shoot back.
>obsec
>frees up hvy support slot, letting you take more wyverns

>>47832853
>Should be "dime a dozen" FYI.
Good on ya for that, not everyone is so kind in this doggy-dog world.

>>47832713
>Is it ever worth taking a Leman Russ Vanquisher with a Lascannon over Melta Vets in a Chimera? Same point cost (145) if the vets only take 2 Meltaguns.

Yes, definitly. First you have a serious range advantage over the vets. Second it is much more durable then a chimera.

>Would a Vanquisher with a Lascannon and Plasma Cannon sponsons be a viable and cheaper option to the Executioner when dealing with both vehicles and heavy infantry? Vanquisher would be 175 points, Executioner 185 (195 with Lascannon).

Honestly I am not a fan of plasma sponsons. I prefer 2 Multimelta, although they have shorter range and are less likely to hit, especially bigger targets. Often I find it hard to align the vehicle so that both sponsons can hit. Also the lower strength makes it worse (Instand death on T4 multiwound like crisis is neat) and with the growing presence of stuff that comes to you fast, like Imperial Knights you threaten them. With Plasma cannons, its a bit of does not know what it wants, as they are near useless against heavier armor, which is what the Vanq should be shooting at.

>>47832866
Doesn't it have an excellent chance of gibbing vehicles with an explodes result?

>>47832957
Its cannon is only Ap2....

>>47832957
>excellent chance of gibbing vehicles with an explodes result?

No, only ap2. That means a a 1/6 chance per turn.

>>47832957
You might be thinking of a different faction. Guard doesn't get much in the way of AP1. The Tau Hammerhead might be what you thinking.

>>47832713

>sponsons
you are generalizing a unit instead of specializing, which is always a bad idea. Why do you take a vanq? To take out armor 13 and 14, I assume. Plasma is not reliable for this purpose. So, you wither shoot AV 14 with your cannon nad waste plasma sponsons, or you shoot sponsons at infantry and effectively waste your cannon. Pick one: melta sponsons for a dedicated anti armor tank, or drop the tank and get an anti infantry platform.

specialize > generalize

>>47832933
>more durable, range advantage
how important the range is is a debatable topic, but the durability doesn't matter at all. A brick in the center of the table is durable, too, but doesn't do jack shit. The vanq has to both survive and pull its weight, and it just doesnt do the latter very well in this edition.

>>47832971

1/6 chance per HIT

factor in BS and it's worse than that

>>47830116
While the formation might be bad, the units are what you want, if you play DE. Despite the FAQ venom or raider is a must for almost everything. Reaver Jetbikes are one of the better units and kabalite warriors are far far better than wyches.

I honestly wonder how they deploy as a raider cannot hold 10 kabalites and the archon.

>White Dwarf relaunch

Does that mean the current White Dwarf and Visions is gone? Or what?

>>47832853
Allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go.

Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake, the nice thing on the cake will be your growth as a person, but make sure you don't put all your egg in one basket.


tl;dr. it's a meme.

>>47833022
>doubles advocate

>>47832979
Nah I honestly thought the vanquisher had a bunch of rules that brought hate to vehicles.

>>47833040

It gets to roll 2d6 for armor pen, but that doesn't mean so much when everything you shoot at has to be penned 3 times to die. Melta or bust.

>>47833040
Vanquisher has Armourbane. S8 AP2 Armourbane. It's pretty much able to down shit just like that.

There is a few things out there, like IA1 gives Beast-Killer shells to Vanquishers I think. Plus Grizmund for re-roll first missed per turn shot and making a squadron BS4.

>>47826562
Being a dedicated transport option.

>>47833061

>down shit just like that
you mean take off one of three hullpoints slightly less often than it hits

>It’s Back! White Dwarf is returning as a monthly magazine and it’s bigger and better than ever before!

>From September, White Dwarf will be back as a glossy 156-page, A4 magazine with all the news, features and pictorials you know and love – and a whole chunk of new stuff you never imagined. News! Golden Demon! Battle Reports! Painting Masterclasses! Designers Notes! Exclusive games and rulesets! And of course, gorgeous photographs of the best fantasy miniatures in the world.

>Battle Reports

Holy fuck, thank you. It's what I've missed ever since White Dwarf turned into a (and probably rightly so) weekly magazine.

>>47833014
I assume Visions exists for pretty minis and weekly White Dwarf will exist for new rules on models every week. This one is prob for fun.

I'll prob get a years sub and see how it is.

>>47832990
>how important the range is is a debatable topic
Well I often find stuff thats either very mobile thus avoiding vets (but also the vanquisher using terrain....) or sitting in the back. And the range is far far greater than a chimera with vets. Plus you can threaten units turn 1. But you are right, the vanq does not put out the hurt usually. With BS3 and lascannon + MM which might be in range or LOS you are looking at 1-2 wounds on riptides, wraithknights etc. Per turn.

>>47833081
well, you also have good chance to kill a weapon or immobilize or whatever else the damage chart gives you.

>>47833084

Most things my guard fight are running towards me, not away. All I can think that play the kiting game are Tau and perhaps Eldar, everyone else is in my face trying to punch everything of mine, including the AV 14 which is usually on some transport brick bulldozing its way right to me. Maybe that's just my local meta, but it's the reason I never worry about needing much range.

The other thing to consider is that with a list full of chimera vets, the other guy's anti-tank units are very inefficient investments. They pop chimeras all game and don't make their points back, since chimeras are so cheap. The best way to counter a long range, high strength gun might be to just let it waste time shooting stuff it shouldn't be, providing it no valuable targets.

>>47833081
I never said it was GOOD. I just said that's how you down shit. I then linked what most people use Vanquishers for.

Beast Killer Shells are the main reason you take a Vanquisher (albeit a Command/Commissar Tank) for the Instant Death Blast weapon.

But I can't remember it's stats.

>>47833098

shaken
shaken
shaken
stunned
wpn destroyed
immo

no, you have less than a 50% chance of getting any of those things

>>47833061
do not forget co-axial heavy stubber:
if one stubber shot hits, the vanq-cannon is twinlinked.

>>47832997
I did the math right I think....
It should be an 4.86111111% chance each turn for an vanquisher to get an explode hitting at 14 AV.
6.01851852% for 13 AV.

>>47833009
You probably just put the archon in a corner and leave him there just so you get the formation benefits so long as being near him isn't a part of it.

>>47833128
Beast Hunter Shells
>Range: 72"
>Strength: 8
>AP: 2
>Special Rules: Heavy 1, Blast (3"), Instant Death

That's why people take it. It allows you to Instant Death pesky T5 stuff and MC's.

>>47833149

I didn't bother to do the math because I already knew it was trash, but yes you have quantified just how much so. I like the IDEA of a vanquisher as much as the next guy, but most people that harp on about them seem to make emotional arguments for them and refuse to face the math. One guy told me that I was wrong to judge it by how effective it was at killing things, since other things can help it kill things. Really? By that logic we might as well judge things by what color they are.

They just aren't good, the end.

>>47833170
>>47833178

Ok, I wasn't aware of the existence of these shells. THAT is a good investment, I'll give the tank that. I stand by my shit vs armor stance, though.

>>47833147
Yup. Plus as >>47833170 said, if your HQ has these he can deal with stuff you have more problems with, which is MC's.

I probably would take multiple Rapier Batteries to deal with AV14 as IG.

>>47833188

twin linking improves your chances to hit marginally from 50% to 75%, it doesn't help you wreck tanks. Even if you hit 100%, the rate at which you strip hullpoints is just too slow for an AT weapon at that cost.

>>47833170
Yes, these shells are good. Its also one of the main reasons I run Armoured company rather then Astra Millitarium. AC gives so many good bonuses to tanks it almost makes them playable in this edtion.

>>47833149
That is so pathetically low that stripping a hull-point from yourself via plasma-cannon sponson is 4 times more likely to happen. At that point taking just taking a bunch of MSU scions with melta might be better AT considering they can hit more often and probably get within melta range by turn 2 with a good deepstrike. But then you'd be taking scions so there is that.

>>47833183
Don't worry, those shells aren't available for regular Guard. You have to run the Imperial Armour 1 FoC. Where the problem is your Elites are infantry and your Troops are tanks.

And the Beast Killers can only go on HQ's. So you can only get one in a normal army. Unless I misremembered it.

>>47833214
The starter formation for Scions is gonna be exceptionally fun for that.

>>47833214

meltavets in chimeras. meltavets in valkyries. special weapons squads in both. outfitted CCS and PCS units. AM has a lot of mobile melta options that aren't scions and are pretty cheap.

>>47833235
True, but none look nearly as boss as the stormtroopers while doing it. If I'm gonna send them to die, why not do it with some style and pizazz?

>>47833227
Actually, someone at my store mentioned an argument about these guys.

Something about dedicated transports being part of the unit and getting more transports.

>>47833205
Aren't they only for Command Tanks and Commissar Tanks? That's the problem I think.

What's the list you use?

I'm still upset about Destroyer Tank Hunters.

60", S9, AP2, Twin-Linked, Ordnance 1. Expensive for 160 points.

>>47833255
I usually run a company command tank, 3-7 Russ tanks, 3 medusa emplacements, 0-1 hydras, a storm trooper squad, 1 avenger strike fighter, 1 dominus siege bombard, 1 shadowsword/stormsword, one Destroyer tank hunter (it was actually the first model I got for 40k. Thought it was a lemanruss tank at first and ended up purchasing it for 30 dollars), and 1 warhound titan. I have a reaver titan in the process but its such a pain I always seem to put it off.

My list varies and I usually end up just putting something together last minute.

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>>47833249
It works RAW, but for stupid reason. Here's how I understand it:

The formation itself has no restrictions, meaning the respawning Scion unit has no restrictions on what upgrades the unit can buy and bring.
They also respawn with the same upgrades they originally purchased.
This is important considering you can opt to buy a Dedicated Transport "upgrade" for the unit.

So you'd purchase a Taurox Prime as an Dedicated Transport "upgrade" for the Scion unit (so you'd have a total a two Taurox Primes in the formation: one as a Dedicated Transport "upgrade" for the Scion unit and the other bought as part of the base formation), and then when the Scion unit dies you'd put an identical squad in Deep Strike Reserve ALONG WITH a copy of their original Dedicated Transport as it can be considered an "upgrade" to the unit (with them embarked or not, doesn't matter), even if their original Dedicated Transport is still on the table.

The dedicated transport wouldn't get the Deep Strike USR from the Scions, but it would still be allowed to placed in Deep Strike Reserve since the rules of the formation demand it, and as such would Deep Strike normally.

RAW, It works in a similar way to how the Khorne Daemonkin Axe of Kor'lath relic did (until the FAQ), wherein when the model that bore the relic was removed from play it would spawn a Daemon Prince near where it was removed, even if the model was removed due to itself becoming a Daemon Prince.

Best part was how the Daemon Prince that was spawned from the model with the Axe would also spawn another Daemon Prince when it died too since it had all the same relics as the model it came from!

Definitely not RAI by any means, and relies heavily on your definition of "upgrade", but a "fun" twist on GW's shitty rule-writing skills.

If you try to do this you deserved to be punched in the face.

Same guy as >>47833442
There's a few counter arguments you could make to this logic however, namely how the Skitarii Start Collecting! Formation's Dunecrawler is not allowed to buy Squad mates since the formation specifies "1 Dunecrawler".
This logic could and should be argued to be applicable in the same way to the new Scion Formation, since that one also specifies "1 Taurox Prime".

Not sure if there's any real way to weasel out of that.

>>47833442
Dedicated transports I would argue are not in fact upgrades to units but a wholly separate unit purchased with said original unit that you then also spend points to buy upgrades for said transport, seeing how both are counted as such for gameplay purposes regardless of upgrades to the squad itself and intentionally trying to read the rule that way is just someone trying to get free 80pt transports out of it.

So forgeworld just put up Crusade Imperialis: Army Lists for preorder... Are the rules from 30k and 40k that different that this is necessary?

I am, however, heavily considering starting up a solar auxilia army. Those guys looks dope as fuck, and seems to be what a proper Imperial Elite Guard should look like. Think they'll be good in 40k?

>>47833255
Here is my last list, forgot i had it from my last 3k point game.

Tech-priest Enginseer (110pts) [Power Axe, 2x Servitor with Servo-arm (30pts)]
··Trojan Support Vehicle (35pts) [Heavy Bolter]

+ HQ (310pts) +

Company Command Tank (310pts) [Warlord]
··Vanquisher (150pts) [2x Plasma Cannons (40pts), Artificer Hull (20pts), Beast Hunter Shells (15pts), Camo Netting (20pts), Co-axial Heavy Stubber (10pts), Extra Armour (15pts), Lascannon (15pts), Pintle-mounted Heavy Stubber (10pts)]

+ Troops (1095pts) +

Battle Tank Squadron (350pts)
··Battle Tank (175pts) [Extra Armour (15pts), Heavy Bolter, Pintle-mounted Heavy Stubber (10pts)]
··Battle Tank (175pts) [Extra Armour (15pts), Heavy Bolter, Pintle-mounted Heavy Stubber (10pts)]

Battle Tank Squadron (350pts)
··Battle Tank (175pts) [Extra Armour (15pts), Heavy Bolter, Pintle-mounted Heavy Stubber (10pts)]
··Battle Tank (175pts) [Extra Armour (15pts), Heavy Bolter, Pintle-mounted Heavy Stubber (10pts)]

Siege Tank Squadron (395pts)
··Demolisher (190pts) [Extra Armour (15pts), Heavy Bolter, Pintle-mounted Heavy Stubber (10pts)]
··Demolisher (205pts) [Extra Armour (15pts), Lascannon (15pts), Pintle-mounted Heavy Stubber (10pts)]

+ Heavy Support (765pts) +

Imperial Navy Avenger (195pts) [2x Autocannon (30pts), Distinctive Paint/Decals (10pts), Infrared Targeting (5pts)]

Ordnance Battery (570pts) [Camo Netting for Squadron (60pts)]
··Medusa Siege Gun (170pts) [Bastion-breacher Shells (5pts), Enclosed Crew Compartment (15pts), Extra Armour (15pts), Heavy Flamer]
··Medusa Siege Gun (170pts) [Bastion-breacher Shells (5pts), Enclosed Crew Compartment (15pts), Extra Armour (15pts), Heavy Flamer]
··Medusa Siege Gun (170pts) [Bastion-breacher Shells (5pts), Enclosed Crew Compartment (15pts), Extra Armour (15pts), Heavy Flamer]

+ Lord of War (720pts) +

Warhound Titan (720pts) [2x Double-barrelled Turbo-laser Destructor]

>>47833512
>Are the rules from 30k and 40k that different that this is necessary?
yes. 40k rule are garbage right now, everything is broken af.

>>47833512
>I am, however, heavily considering starting up a solar auxilia army.
do it
>Think they'll be good in 40k?
no, 40k is full of broken formations and shit.

>>47833499
I agree with you 100%, but someone could make the argument that a unit can purchase a Dedicated Transport unit as an "upgrade" to the original unit in the same way that an IG Infantry Platoon can purchase additional Infantry Squads or Special/Heavy Weapons Squads as upgrades to the original Platoon.

Different unit, different upgrades, and worth separate kill points, but still an upgrade to the original unit. It's a funky system.

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>>47826034
>Shit-posting edition

>seeing the posts

>remembering yesterdays abortion of a thread

Only then did it occur to me to check the date.

Guess it's time to put /tg/ on hold for two months and get painting done.

>>47833352
>>47833532
Neat.

>Warhound Titan

Not neat. But I can understand why.

>>47833601
It's no different to any other day of the week.

It's the same shit with sugar making kids hyperactive

>Parents give sugar to kids
>kids act the same
>parents think they're hyperactive due to sugar
>don't give sugar
>kids act the same

Except with shitposting and summer. You just think there is a difference due to confirmation bias, but there really isn't. The only difference I see is due to the fact I believe some tranny got v& on /tg/ and that got shit going.

But thanks for the blogpost, I guess.

>>47833570
Broken? Do you mean broken good or broken bad? Cause I'm pretty sure some units are in between, like Tactical Marines or Vets.

>>47833652
>Broken? Do you mean broken good or broken bad? Cause I'm pretty sure some units are in between, like Tactical Marines or Vets.
broken as in 40k is complete OP dogshit right now and will rape a 30k list.

>>47833652
In the last month people really stepped up trying to force memes or revive "dank" old ones, i counted four instances the last thread alone.

Fucking awful, literally went out for a run because it was less tedious and repetitive.

Hell now "Sniper HQ" is on my permanent filter along "mastercrafted memetana" pasta.

>>47833601
Shitposting kiddos can perfectly shitpost at all other seasons. From the phone while in class, from PC when at home. I guess they don't give a single fuck about grades, so homework won't stop them from shitting 4chan.

>>47833661
>an Apple list will rape an Orange list
I'll give you that 40k's balance is all over the place and completely fuckd, but it's unfair to compare the units in the game to units from a different game.
Even if some rules carry over, it's still a different game.

>>47833684
he was literally asking if a 30k army would do good in 40k.

they wont.

>>47833683
>>47833652

An anon did once post a reverse summerpost theory, that's it's a matter of the "mature" posters having time off from work and having longer exposures to trashposting than usual, the stupidity accumulating like radiation.

>>47833705
>they wont
You're right.

>>47833705
They'll do fine casually.

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OI! WAT KLAN IZ DA BEST? I KNOWZ, BAD MOONZ IZ DA BEST!

>>47833682
Eh. The forced memes have been around since whenever goobygate was on /v/ and they fled to other boards. Plus we got raided by several other chans, which resulted in /wst/ being kicked off. Then we got gimmickfags like Carnac and the slav guy.

Others are trying to be 'famous' by forcing shitty memes.

The sniper HQ thing, I missed, but I remember talking to a guy about how a neat sniper suit would be for Tau, was that related? It was months ago though.

As for the other thing, was that the fire codex pasta? I saw that months ago attempted to be forced.

It's shit, but, that's the board /tg/ is now.

>>47833716
Possibly.

>>47833705
Not even Cult Mech?

>>47833752
Best as what? Pick a metric.

Orkiest
Choppiest
Shootiest
Lootiest
'Ardest
Kunnin'est

>>47833783
>Not even Cult Mech?
eldar, tau, war convo, decurion, free drop pods/whatever space marines with grav, ravenwing wih grav, space wolf anything; will all destroy ad mech easily.

>>47833784
Bad Moonz eksel at dis all, koz they kan buy stuff fer every of this metreekz

>>47833824
Kant buy orkiness ya jaundiced grot.

>>47833824
ZOGGIN MOONZ! MOUF FULLA TEEF, 'EAD FULLA NAUGHT BUT SQUIGDROPS.

>>47831716
Is this even possible ruleswise?

Rolled 3, 6, 6, 2, 3 = 20 (5d6)

>>47833848
WAT DID YA SAY, ZOGGIN' DIGGER? EAT SNAZZGUN!

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>>47833752
>Paying for your gear
Get a load of this git.

>>47833910
I can komishun a kustomest dakka ever, and meks will compete to get a kontrakt wiv me. Ya smurfy zoggers are known az unreliable thiefz. Reputashun'n'respekt iz importanter 'dan free shit.

>>47833867
2 Boltpistols? Yes. there is even a rule, gunslinger that allows anyone with 2 pistols to fire both.

>>47833928
I get that roleplaying is fun, but this is getting close to being illegible dude.

>>47833932
>a rule, gunslinger that allows anyone with 2 pistols to fire both.
Who has that rule? Sounds very fun.

>>47833965
>a rule that allows anyone
>anyone
Gee, I dunno.

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>>47833941
Parodying cockney english is hard when yer a slav

>>47833974
Wait so you gain the rule just by having two pistols?

>>47833982
I guess ya'll need to pay some pointz to get it

>>47833987
I know what im going to do for my assault sergeant now. This is sweet.

>>47834006
Sadly only Cypher gets to use their profile's in melee.

>>47833570
>no, 40k is full of broken formations and shit.
I wonder how good the 40k version of Solar Auxilia will be.

Do we have any kinds of leaks at all regarding this?

>>47834019
there is no 40k version of them.

>>47834011
So I don't get any extra attacks from having pistols?