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>>47755141
>Alpharius infiltrating anon's womb sub-edition
?

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First for XII

>>47755204
Last thread someone rolled what legion there baby would be, got the AL and then found out it was twins.

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>>47755141
>rolled 14
Aw ye

Fucking saturnine when?

>>47755433
Given how the dickbikes turned out different to any imperial jetbike artwork I'm kind of worried what silliness FW may pull with saturnine.

>>47755460
Hopefully they do Bullock bikes one day

maybe for a not completely ridiculous price as well

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Preview of more dice from the bulletin.

>>47756049
Are those official?

The Word Bearer and World Eater one look bad.

>>47756108
Yeah, the pic is off today's FW bulletin. I don't really know why the world eater one has such an intricate smoke effect going on, while say the night lords one is really bland.

I do like the IW one though. Dat armoured skull.

>>47756049
>WE dice with smoke effect
>Not with sprinkled blood
FW rly

>>47755388
Any idea where that artwork is from? Did a reverse search but couldn't find the origin.

>>47755141
I failed to dream up of a color scheme, and only got something to do with cavemen and Satan if Satan was an anorexic pasty white warboy that needs his nails trimmed. Coming up with a color scheme is harder than I thought.

>>47756660
>666
>Satan if Satan was an anorexic pasty white warboy that needs his nails trimmed
Huh. I guess I need to get out in the sun, end my disorder, and get a manicure.

>>47756049
>16 quid per 16 dice
i really like the alpha legions ones, but christ m8

>>47756803
But the details on these dice are crisper than the plastic GW dice!

>>47756049
I fine with the IW dice.

>>47756823
>twice the detail, quadruple the price!

>>47756346
>intricate smoke effect
Cheap dice are either solid, glittery, or marbled. These are marbled.

Of course, for the price you'd think they could do something different and paint the corners in the legions' secondary colors or something. You're paying a ton of money for a fancy 6 and nothing more.

>>47756968
It jst makes you want to model your own die, really.

If somehow given the chance, is there any traitor Primarch that would return to the Imperium? Magnus?

>>47757594
Without the Emperor around, I could see Magnus returning. Curze is dead, but he’d fit into the new Imperium too.

>>47756049
Word Bearers dice is red and gold, the fuck. So what are they going to do for the Thousand Sons or Blood Angels.

>>47757594
Lion.

>>47757942
It's a fairly dark red... TS and BA would be brighter.

I'd do BA in red and yellow, and TS in red in white.

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>>47757942
What matters most in life, to be accurate and gold doesn't have verdigris, or to look cool?

>>47757594
girlyman

>>47757942
BA red and black

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today the army painter daemonic yellow primer betrayed me like the wordbearers while spraying my first calth marines and fucking jizzed a glob all over their faces. I decided that I'm gonna go with the alternate Imperial Fists scheme that Sigismund would have wanted. any tips for how to strip paint off of models? I've never fucked up this bad before...I honestly thought that this primer would work on infantry just as well as it worked on vehicles. ugh.

>>47759105
Super Clean strips plastic alright. Did it happen with the first drops? I've had that happen, so now I always start spraying to the side of the minis and then sweep over them. Always start and end past the minis.

>>47759273
eh I dunno, I really don't have too much experience priming with anything other than GW's chaos black, which is pretty idiot proof. So I think I'm just gonna go back to that and do that primarily black color scheme...

>>47759105
Dunk in isopropyl alcohol, scrub, drown for an hour, scrub again, if it's still alive drown it in there one more time.

I've bought the Velljo Acrylic white brush primer, and it's really liquid.

I wanted to try and use it for a potential WE force, but fuck me, I don't want to have to need 3 coats on every model for the bloody primer.

Any ideas on how to make it a wee bit less watery?
Or shoulf I just deal with it, at least I won't obscure details?

>>47759446
Is it properly stirred? Throw a BB into it and then stir, or use a long toothpick. You can't just shake if it's sat on a shelf (e.g. store shelf) for a long time. It's not that great, though.

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Can someone who plays Raven Guard give me a summary as to their overall playstyle and why they are worth building over other legions. I kind of like them lore wise but am struggling to grasp what you can actually do with them, they seem all over the place.

>>47759446
Just mix it with white glue, adds a bit of thickness

>>47759576
DUDE BIRDS LMAO

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>>47759576
>Your favorite emos before they actually had a reason to feel like shit. They are a very balanced force that instead of being fast & hiding in cover like their 40k incarnation, either they have Furious charge or appear from where you didn't expect them to. So basically fast and hiding in cover.
>Their bias for lightning-fast attacks and aerial deployment allows them to set up powerful Decapitation strikes, tying up enemy units only to suddenly appear behind the enemy lines and kill that pesky HQ. Which in fact is the exact purpose of their Dark Fury squads. This strategy relies on them going first, but thankfully their RoW helps them with this.
>They are maybe the best IC killers, but if you're looking for mechanized or attrition warfare or troop slot shenanigans, look someplace else. Such as Shattered Legions or Sworn Brothers.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k) is a good plac to start.

A Knight Atrapos and Lancer (me) against a Warhound (opponent).

Am I fucked?

>>47759658
>>47759636
>>47759576

Big fat reminder that Raven Guard actually get *less* use from aircraft than any other Legion and trying to combine Infiltrate with Reserves is a really really shit way to get the first wave killed.

> LA: Infiltrate is such a fundamental shift in your armies capabilities that it's probably the most divergent Legion at the present time. If you aren't building your lists to make use of it, you are playing the army wrong.
> Your dudes don't hit any harder or have any notable strengths beyond hitting first, and mobbing up a Turn 1 gank. Always Infiltrate your army together and anything that gives you First Turn is absolutely gold. To that end, you should be playing Recon Company or Decapitation 9 times out of 10.
> Cameleoline on everyone who can take it, it's just absurdly fucking good.
> When Decapitating, only 1HS makes your lists harder to construct. As Infantry, Rapiers can Infiltrate and so 2-3 teams is extremely common for RG players. This then ties into Elite slots being maxed out every game, and rarely will you have the slots for Apothecaries.

> Mor Deythan are a one-trick pony with a really, really big trick. Get them a Rhino and Combi-Flamers, they'll erase their own points cost Turn 1 without breaking a sweat.
> Dark Furies are built to sweep. AP3 Jump Troops in a world of Marines go a long way.
> Duckwing is a bit shit and arguably worse than the already-weak Stormeagle.
> Nothing in his rules prevents Kaedes Nex from charging in Turn 1.
> Alvarex Maun is possibly the best HQ available to any Legion, ever.
> Corax is an invisible lawnmower and Marines are grass.

Everything in your army is built to fuck infantry up. Deythan, Furies and infiltrating troops are going to be fine for handling dudes and so you need to make a conscious effort to pack anti-tank in, even with a reduced HS allotment.
It's rare that you can afford Apothecaries and so 20-man blobs don't really work, unless you get them a Ruin and Cameleoline.

>>47760101
>> Your dudes don't hit any harder
What is "Furious Charge on anything bulky"?

>>47760101
How do raven guard typically deal with vehicles? Just dash up to them and plant meltabombs?

>>47760094
if it has 2 doublebarrelled turbolasers, yes you are fucked

>>47760324

> Infiltrated Quad-Mortars
> Deredeo or Laser-Vindicators
> Dreadclaw Dreadnoughts
> Javelins / Land Speeders

After the new FAQ, Meltabombs have been nerfed into the floor and aren't reliable as a real solution any more. At best, they are a weapon to use if your opponent blunders too close to a Sergeant, or an anti-Dreadnought tactic.

Anyone else played/playing the kill team campaign from book 3? A friend and I just started it, had one game so far.

I accidentally created a monstrosity for my hero and I kind of feel had about it. Salamanders forge lord, 2+/3++, master crafted power fist and servo arm, generates an action point every time an attack hits him, and 3 more if he gets taken out. He generated 14 that game, survived with a wound left, and smashed six guys in three rounds, including my friend's poor Emperor's Children phoenix spear jetbike hero, who is horribly outclassed despite his mobility. My forge lord has three wounds now, from the upgrade I dropped my shit ton of action points on. Next he gets a strength upgrade, for S10 pugilism.

>>47760391
It makes me sad how many problems can be solved with quad-mortars. They are a bit ridiculous.

>>47760391
What FAQ is this?

>>47760698
40k draft FAQ, went up on their facebook page for feedback (so hopefully stuff like this will change). It said that now only one person in a squad can use a grenade in close combat. Doesn't matter if you've spent 5 pts/model upgrade the whole squad to have meltabombs, only 1 dude can use it, everyone else just punches the tank. Also fucks krak grenades.

So, as things stand, buy them for sergeants and that's it.

>>47760760
A full squad being able to use meltabombs seems a little too instakill to be fair. Real-life use of infantry-carried anti-tank explosives seems to have been closer to one per squad. Everyone else covers the bomber and stays out of his way, otherwise you’re likely to get half the squad blown up when 10 people try it all at the same time.

So...it's been a while, /tg/. Still playing with Imperial Fists and Word Bearers. Is there a more legit date for Thousand Sons yet? Like an actually true one?

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>>47761324
>Forgeworld
>Actual, legit date.
Nope

>>47761324
"late summer/ autumn 2016", but as >>47761334 that could be any time between August and November knowing FW

>>47759105
I really like the way you wrote this

>>47759105
Acetone free nail polish remover works on plastic minis, not sure about resin

If you've got metal minis nail polish remover with acetone will strip those fuckers in like 30 seconds flat

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>>47761274
>Huge men in "shoot me" colours hurl themselves into combat using jet engines strapped to their backs in order to stab people in the face with a chainsword
>"Real-life use of infantry"
Am I the only one who suspended his disbelief when he agreed to this game?

>>47761483
Yep you're the only one, whenever my opponent brings a knight or titan I smash it with a hammer and say "inverse square law bitch".

>>47761575
Oh shit I meant square cube law

>>47761575
>>47761589
Do you also have everyone hit on a 6+, wound on a 2+ and disallow melee weapons?

>>47761622
I allow melee weapons, but replace the assault phase with me and my opponent smashing our models together making noises until one of our models breaks

>>47761483
Isn't Space Marine armor too bulky for that many of them to get in contact with, say, a Rhino? They're only like three marines wide. You'd have marines bouncing off each other's shoulder pauldrons.

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>>47761622
I bet nigga doesn't even feel inspired when the Commissar executes one of his dudes and gore splashes everybody's faces.

>>47761722
I think a to scale rhino would be the size of a land raider in game

>>47761324
>>47761334
They generally release this kind of shit on Open Days, check when the next one is and you might have a release date for Russ or the next book.

>>47761722
>a stationary vehicle can often be very easily destroyed, as individuals clamber over it, attaching all manner of grenades and hacking at or shooting into vulnerable spots
Everybody knows warfare goes by turns, and everybody stops what they're doing until it's their turn again. This is a british game after all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPK5KDCGF7g

How would you make a RoW for a generic Tactical spamming company?

>>47761858
Tactical support squads...or tactical tacticals?

>>47761858
>+1 compulsory troop choice
>all compulsory troop choices must be tactical squads
>somekind of bonus to Fury of the legion maybe?

>must have more infantry than vehicles
>if all tactical squads die, +1VP to enemy

>tfw Mk IV has the best shoulders, chest, and backpacks but absolute shite heads
Thank the Emperor for Legion upgrade packs. MK III best helmets in general tho.

>>47756823

Resin dice on sprues when, FW?

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>>47761913
>MK III best EVERYTHING in general tho.
FIFY

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>>47761871
Both.
>>47761911
Perhaps -1 FA and HS and Supports takeable as compulsory.

>>47761939
>Perhaps -1 FA
You can take Assault squads as FA and they're still scoring.
Before being able to take any FA, Elites or HS choice you must take an infantry unit without terminator armour (example, Tactical Vets unlock the use of termies).

>>47761939
If Supports become compulsory should Breachers and Assault become non-complusory?

>>47761965
Assaults certainly, not sure about breachers.
>>47761961
This is a good idea also.

>>47761961
So to take any FA you'd need a seeker squad, to take any HS you'd need a Heavy weapons squad, and to take any Elites you'd need a veteran squad?

>>47761995
Since this is the Tactical spam, tacticals, tactical support and veteran tacticals can combat squad.
Could be useful in ZM...if you play that.
>>47762051
Yeh.

>>47762062
>Combat squad.
Vets and supports into two five-mans, but should Tacs be two ten-man squads or five fours? I'd go for the former.

>>47762097
Holy shit imagine five squads of four

>holding every objective on the table
>with one squad

>>47762123
Worse, imagine that in 40k.
>One unit taking 4 razorbacks as dedicated transports.
>All of them are free.

>>47762097
Two tens, I think the Tyrant's legion did it that way. Also, I lack the reaction face to post about getting 4 scoring units out of a single troops choice here on my phone

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>>47762140
Jesus Christ don't give GW ideas

Random fact of the day: during WWII, the best anti-tank grenade was the Japanese “lunge mine,” a HEAT warhead on a 5-foot pole. You’d ram it into the tank and it would penetrate up to six inches (15cm) of armor while blowing you up as well.

Definitely not a squad activity. Thank the Omnissiah for melta bombs that give you some time to run away!

>>47762156
Perhaps they can take two rhinos as dedicated transports.
Oh, and maybe something along the lines of 'You can't take more than one consul that isn't a MoS'

>>47762248

you never heard of Magnetic Anti tank mines...

>>47762343
I meant "best" in terms of penetration. Magnetic mines were definitely more user-friendly.

>>47762602

depends on the tank.

at 140mm (per manual) the magnetic mine is only slightly worse. However it does far better against slopes (which fucks WWII Heat over Like Lorgar raped the Smurfs on Calth). Which, due to the way the mine works, is always an optimal angle, compared to the stick

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What is the 9" blast? Is it just a typo?

>>47755141
Guys, I've been out of the loop for a while
What's this meme about Perty hating his own robots? Why is he running from them?

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>>47762730

>>47760101
>> Duckwing is a bit shit and arguably worse than the already-weak Stormeagle.
What's duckwing?

>>47762730
There was one who ran from him, though.
>>47762771
The Raven's Darkwing pattern Stormeagle

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>>47762793
forgot the pic of the Boop-Errant

>>47762730
>What's this meme about Perty hating his own robots?
He has to footslog with them.
>Why is he running from them?
They follow him.

>>47760407
Unto the Anvil, brother.
Eye to eye, tooth to tooth!

How do you explain Alpha Legion Beep Boops?

>>47763247
Stolen data from the IVth legion, the same way they stole Corvus schematics from the XIXth.

>>47763247
Stolen schematics then reproduced in AL forges.

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>>47760407
>A salamander character killing an Emperor's Children dude
Hmmmmm

>>47763293
kek

>>47762842
Why do they boop?

What's the maximum amount of Beep-Boops possible? And how many points would it be to include them in a legal list with as minimal points put in to be able to include them?

>>47756049
>that NL dice
brb changing my panties

>>47763510
You're an odd woman.

>>47763469
No one cared why I booped until I put on the Cortex

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>>47763510
videotape it

>>47763510
Are they Night Lord themed?

>>47761424
thanks anon. maybe this is my punishment for having 1250 points of my 2500 list be Imperial Knights..

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>>47763584

>Woman

I thought they were a tranny

Rolled 10, 19, 7, 4, 13, 3, 1 = 57 (7d20)

>>47763929
Hate you so much.

>>47763941
In all honesty Curzefag being a woman makes sense in context.

>>47763618
>Night Lords panties
...I need these.

>>47764021
If you ever get some of those you need to take pics of them.

I hate me too. the silver lining for you is that I'll probably just be playing against 40k players at my store so I'll still be getting fornicated by formations.

>>47761936
The helmets are sweet, the shoulders and legs are aight, the chestplate feels flat and meh, and I hate the backpack design. It's like halfway to the 40k CSM backpacks but somehow worse.

Rolled 20, 12, 8, 19, 2, 8, 16 = 85 (7d20)

>>47764084
Give them no quarter.
Go full cheese, teach them the true meaning of terror.

>>47764179
my list has a Gallant and a Warden with a Thunderstrike Gauntlet because Imperial Fists need more fists for fisting. I promise I'm not as much of a WAAC fag as you think...hoping that this year will have plastic breachers and spartan so I can do a fully IF army.

Rolled 5 (1d20)

>>47764230
Bring a primarch and listen to the butthurt tears (that aren't actually warranted).

>>47764282
Does Sigismund count as a Primarch kinda? He's a bit of a manlet but he lifts.

Rolled 18 (1d20)

>>47764347
Not survivable enough for primarch status.

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>>47761754
Someone on dakka dakka did the math, the rhino is actually slightly too big for the height of a marine model when compared to real APCs. The heroic scale and the bases on the marines make it hard to picture however.

>>47761858
You take a captain, a chaplain, praise Marnius Calgar, and you get free dedicated transports.

>>47764488
>AFVs in charge of understanding human dimensions
The T-55 for instance was very comfy if you were a left-handed orangutan.

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I already know Curzefag's answer.

>>47765228
>how do you feel about black
not for me, thanks
>well how about you play DAngles then?

T-thanks, chart

>>47762720

"The 10in apocalyptic blast marker has two rings marked on it (at 5 and 7in). The rings are used when resolving attacks with a large blast, massive blast or apocalyptic mega-blast marker, which uses the inner, middle and outer zones."
- BRBv7

>>47765228
Why yes, I do in fact wear a cloak of human skin

>>47765304
Curzefag, why do you like the Night Lords? Curious.

>>47765329
Because they're my husbando's legion and because I'm a shameless edgelord. That reason enough?

>>47765366
I suppose so. At least you're honest about it.

>>47765382
t-thanks senpai ^w^

>>47765279
It's just am extremely dark grey. Pay no attention to the fact that the paint used has black in the name. A coincidence is all.

>>47765414
No problem. I honestly don't have a problem with you. I feel more amused than anything else.

>>47755141
>Alpharius infiltrating anon's womb sub-edition
Woah, woah, woah! Hold up, what did I miss last thread?

This post is also a bump.

>>47766382
Anon is preggo with twins

Or is she?!

Hydra Dominatus.

>>47766428
Oh, well that's cool! Congratulations to her.

For the Emperor

>>47756049
I feel like buying BaC, waiting for all the official dice to come out, and whichever I like best determines my legion.

>>47766428
Α, Ω, Σ -the third one is a surprise

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Lads, the exam today went shit. It was mock-scenarios, and I was tasked with responding to a gunshot wound to the right femur. Stopped the haemorrhaging, assessed the leg for possible fracture, came up negative. Patient continued to complain of painful leg spasms, I assumed (apparently incorrectly) that it was due to the tourniquet cutting off circulation - not much I can do about that, have some more pain relief. No one's ever died from a twitchy leg anyway, time to transport to hospital.

Failed the assessment because I didn't use a traction splint to treat the fracture. I'm pretty mad, we haven't even covered gunshot wounds, we live in New Zealand for heaven's sake. Mfw.

>>47760324
I supplement my RG with an allied SA force (can be used in conjunction with Decapitation rite) that will include 2 demolisher Dracosans, a Valdor and 2 Vanquishers for anti tank and objective holding duty. The RG themselves have 3 Javelins and a surprise Typhon for opportune armour destruction.

>>47763510
Hey, Curzefag's back, where you been?

with army of dark compliance it says you have to take a praetor as your warlord, does that mean you cant take a primarch since they have to be the warlord too?

im going to do it anyway just because its a fluffy who cares casual list anyway, but still.

Do mechanicum medusas have to pay extra or something for phosphex? Looking through the reductor battery entry it mentions phosphex but doesn't mention how to get it which I assume means you get regular and phosphex shells automatically, but I seem to remember the entry saying something about switching regular for phosphex or something. Am I missing something?

>>47767054
Not reading the rules but assuming everything you have said is 100% true than no, you apparently can't take primarchs. I guess the primarchs are too important to be surrounded by such worthless mooks or something. Either way go for it, it shouldn't change too much.

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Thank you to whoever suggested using a brown wash instead of nuln oil. Still need a lot of work to fix some of my shit priming skills, but I'm gonna start on my marines tomorrow...playing either 2000 or 2500 point this week against chaos space marines.

>>47767004
What exam was it? Saint Johns?

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>>47767004
You know what you must do anon. Being an apothocary of the emperor's angels of death, you have three options.

A) You must harvest the man's geneseed before you administer the emperor's mercy

B) The patient being an astartes worthy of reknown, you must inter your fellow battle brother into a dreadnought so that he might serve the emperor even in death.

C) You may save the man, but you will be required to amputate the leg. No painkillers allowed because we're Terra-damned astartes and we don't need no painkillers.

Additionally, it seems you must report to the chaplain for extra armaments training if your skill in treating gunshot wounds is lacking.

>>47767070
They get both by default.

>>47763494
LoW
Perturabo 455
*Six Iron circle 1230
HQ
Master of Signal 85
Elites
6 Domitar-Ferrums 1230
6 Domitar-Ferrums 1230
6 Domitar-Ferrums 1230
6 Domitar-Ferrums 1230
Troops
Tactical squad 150
Tactical squad 150
7000 points.

>>47767401
>7000 points
By the Emperor.

Is it worth it though?

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>>47767004
Whoops. Srry to hear that, you'll do better next time.
>>47767325
Wave your hands in front of the patient and roll 1D6.
On a 5+ you can tell him "You feel no pain!", and lo, it will be so.
If you see he's becoming very agressive, let him loose: he'll get +1 attack and you shall recieve no penalty for his death.

>>47767413
Does it look worth it?

>>47767435
Just for how ridiculous it is? Maybe.

I know that this would get slaughtered in a 7k game, if there is such a thing.

>>47767401
>52 models
>7000 points
Well then.

>>47767489
It's 208 T7 3+/4++ wounds, though. I'm not too sure about that MoS, considering they're usually support HQ.

>>47767522
I don't know either, but I now realize Iron Warriors can play at any points level by just adding an adjustable number of Beep Boops.

This now makes me want to play IW because I like their color scheme, and I like Beep Boops.

But I also want to play Word Bearers because I like their color scheme, and I like their fluff.

But then again, IW are Americans. Hmmm.....

Someone make an Freedom Beep Boop.

wanted to play sneaky alpha legion. turns out they're shit.
realised I should be playing raven guard.
meta already has a raven player and fuck loyalists... what do?

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>>47767577
>But then again, IW are Americans. Hmmm.....
So?

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>>47767577
Beepaniel Ferrum is now obsessed with FREEDOM.

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>>47767635
Is the Boopsquad complete now?

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>>47767635
It gets better

>>47767401
Shield of the Iron Tyrant: 576 burgers
Iron Circle - Moving Bulwark x 12: 3084 burgers
Legion MK III Iron Armor x 4: 136 burgers
Two sets of bolters: 35 burgers

Total: 3831 burgers plus taxes and shipping.

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>>47767635
Now make this, but with Beep Boops and Eagles.

>>47767703
>not posting the "oh god are these dicks" version

why

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>>47767711
I wasn't expecting you tonight, Slaanesh.

>>47767703
>Gee Beep Boop, how come Perturabo lets you have TWO eagles?

>NO SPACE COMMIES!

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>>47767703

What's the most played Legion?

What's the least played Legion?

>>47768400
>Most
Death Guard, Imperial Fists
>Least
Raven Guard, Wolves thank god

>>47767614
use coils of the hydra to steal whatever it is you like about RG?

>>47768439
I've seen way more RG and wolves than I have Sallies and White Scars

What's the best way to play foot slogging Death Guard?

Also what are the best Mechanicum robots to run with a Praevian?

>>47767614
>>47768488
Basically what I'm doing.
Playing Alphas with a full squad of Dark Furies.
Lernaean Furies are pretty cool as a unit.

>>47767614
>AL shit
Since when?

>>47768597
honestly I don't really see what could attract you to RG over AL beyond the fluff,

>>47768706
Oh I very much prefer the AL's fluff over the RG, but I do love the concept of the Dark Furies, which is why I stole them for my AL list.

What's the best BL book to read if I want to read up on Corax and the Raven Guard? Please note, I did not ask for a "good" book about the RG as I understand that's not really a thing that exists, just which of them the best.

>>47768593
>What's the best way to play foot slogging Death Guard?
With a sicaran venator to keep any enemy typhons from shooting. If you want to keep the foot-slogging theme, model the venator with its tracks blown off and a load of death guard on foot carrying it, it's the sort of utterly bloody-minded thing they'd do.

Is Luther getting his own rules and model?

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>>47767124
I think I was one of the people that suggested it - Great to hear you've had good results.
>>47767256
Sort of, using St John clinical practice guidelines but doing it at university.
>>47767325
This wasn't in the above-mentioned CPG's but it is sterling advice, thanks Anon! I shall do better next time. Should also endeavour to apply suitable retribution to whoever shot my patient.
>>47767426
If only triaging was so easy...

>>47768867
Start out with Deliverance Lost. It's not the best book, but it's still pretty good. Corax Soulforge and the novellas add significant flavour to the legion

>>47768668
shit at sneaky stuff . convince me otherwise

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>The Emperor of Mankind, Urist, Sigmar, The Master of Man, The Anathema, The Ruler of the Galaxy, Lord of the Stars, The Paragon of Humanity
>???(?) pts
>WS 10 BS 6 S 7 T 7 W 7 I 8 A 6 Ld 10 Sv 1+

>Infantry (Character)

>1 (Unique)

>Wargear:
>The Burning Blade: S +3 Ap 2 Melee Master-crafted Soulblaze Blind Specialist weapon Force
>The Plate Invincible: 1+ Armour (Still fails on a 1) 3+ Invulnerable nothing can wound The Emperor on anything better than a 3+
>The Eagle Claw: S +1 Ap 2 Melee Master-crafted Specialist weapon Force Shred

>Special rules:
>Adamantium Will
>Aeons of Experience: The Emperor IS your warlord, fuck your Primarch and fuck your Jealous Command and your Rite of Command. He picks three Warlord traits
>Anathema: All models with the Deamon special rule must take leadership check when within 18" of the Emperor and take a wound with no saves or FNP rolls of any kind allowed by every point failed.
>Counter Attack
>Crusader
>Eternal Warrior
>Extremely Bulky
>Fear
>Fearless
>Feel No Pain
>Fleet
>Furious Charge
>Grandsire of the Space Marines: All Models with Legiones Astartes sepcial rule have the And They Shall Know No Fear special rule
>Hammer of Wrath
>Hatred: (Xenos, Traitor Faction)
>Independent Character
>It Will Not Die
>Precision Shot
>Precision Strike
>Preferred enemy: (Everyone)
>Pride: The Emperor can not cast the >Invisibility psychic power, and must always accept and issue challanges, this take precedence over any other special rule
>Psyker: (Mastery level 6) (The Emperor harnesses warp charges on a 2+ and knows all rulebook powers)
>Rage
>Rampage
>Relentless
>Smash
>Strikedown

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>>47755388
Imperial Navy when edition?

>>47769395
Takes 504 bolter shots to kill. Piece of piss.

>>47769395
Sigmar was a primarch, learn your lore.

>>47769395

Not OP enough. All 10s for all stats.

>>47769549
The II or the 11?

>>47769489

That's a Titan Moderati though.

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>>47769580
True but it's the closest representation we have to a voidsman.

>>47769569
Cast Iron Arm and Warp Speed anon.
Although, he should definitely be BS 10
>>47769609
IG master of the fleet?

>>47769609
They would make a really cool Necromunda gang like an 18th century press gang, prowling the docks on their shore leave. Cool laser versions of duck foot pistols etc.

>>47769633
Master of the fleet is an Officer. These guys are the backbone of the Navy and watch over the rabble who operate the guns and engines as well as repel boarding actions and mutinies.

>>47769395
Tbh I'm not sure that's OP *enough*

>>47767426
>that pic
I think they got IA and SA mixed up.

>>47769657
Alright, give him the Sire of the Primarchs, wherein he counts as having being the Sire of every single legion.
>And Fulgrim's Sublime swordsman
>And Perty's Relentless Stratagist
>And Dorn's Unshakeable Defence
>And Curze's King of Terrors
>And Ferrus' Master of Mechanisms
>And Angron's Red Sands
>And Guilliman's Prenatural Strategist
>And Morty's Shadow of the Reaper
>And Fucking Horus' God of Battle
>And Lorgar's Living Icon
>And Vulkan's Blood of Fire
>And Corvus' The Shadowed Lord
>And Alpharius' Insidious Mastermind
>And Omegon's One of Many
Happy now?

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>he plays Death Guard

>>47769719
OK, maybe that's a bit much. I'd probably just make him T8

He does know Iron arm. I will actually bump his Attacks to 7 so Biomancy bumps all his stats to 10.

>>47769258
Depending on what you mean with sneaky AL can get a list of nothing but infiltraiting scouting assault units using headhunter leviathal and mutable tactics Scout, or mutable tactics infiltraite and vigiliators / moritats, they can also do outflank shenanigans with alpharius, damoncles rhinos and proteus land raiders to make reserves very reliable, what exactly does RG do that AL cannot? besides wound on +4

>>47769856
Please don't, that's a horrible way to write rules. If you think a model should have a certain stat value then give them that value, don't downgrade them on the basis of what buffs they can get.

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>>47769752
What's wrong with the Death Guard?

>>47769258
An army of infiltrating terminators in land raiders. Top that.

>>47757963
There's that black library word that was uniformly banned from the English language due to overuse by them. ...
Verdigris

>>47770009
Do what now, Nurgle?

>>47769870
Can you give me a mock list of something that actually 'works' ?
What do you mean by using vigilators or moritat?
I can make a list of headhunters in HH leviathal all infiltrating and give them combi plasma and scout mutable.Doesnt mean they will actually kill anything or even scare the enemy, it's garbage.

reading Betrayer, why is everyone shitting on the Ultramarines for not rushing to Terra?

seems between calth and the shadow crusade they got utterly fucked and with the ruinstorm would maybe be able to get what, less than 10k soldiers to Terra while sacrificing basically all of Ultramar, well what's left of it anyway

>>47770332
Because memes that's why.

>>47770332
>>47770346
And also because of Sanguinius.

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>>47770332
>Get sent to a prepared trap by my broest bro.
>Face literal hell.
>Get both legs broken and my children cursed.
>Kick ass and braves the warp towards Terra.
>Turns out it wasn't Terra, but Guillinigger set up his own My Little Imperium. I weep for him.
>Accept the title of Regent so that his foolishness doesn't escalate any further, and brave the fucking Ruinstorm towards Terra again
>Must I add we're literally cursed yet we still do warp travels?
>Arrive to Terra and defend my Father.
>Confront Horus and weep for him too.
Sanguinius can make most people look bad by comparison.

>>47770332

he's not a traitor for not heading to Terra, but founding the Imperium Secundus.

>>47769395
I would add the following
>The Light of the Astronomican
The Emperor of Mankind denies enemy Infiltration and Deep strike within 24", and your own deep strikers never scatter anywhere on the field.
Enemies attempting to use a shooting weapon against the Emperor must pass a Blind test
>The Armour of Mankind
2+/3++, cannot be wounded on anything beter than a 3+. Attacks that auto-wound get canceled and must still roll to wound as per this rule.

>>47770600
>The Emperor of Mankind denies enemy Infiltration and Deep strike within 50,000 light years, and your own deep strikers never scatter anywhere on the field.
FIFY, also he already has an Armour.

>>47770665
Why don't you give the Burning Blade true Instant Death? We could assume Emps is always channeling Force on his sword, subconsciously. Maybe on the Eagle Claw too.
Also, the Emperor can't peril. Ever.

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>>47770009
Hey, it's the 777 thread. Post Emprah pics, and remember: He's not a god...but only because He says so ;^)

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>>47770737
On it.

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>>47770717
I just thought Force would be a reflection of his power.
>Also, the Emperor can't peril. Ever.
The Chaos Gods would be gunning for Him, perhaps a perils leads to a half chance of Dragged into the Warp and half chance of Warp Surge
>>47770737
Pic related.

>>47769489
Uh, solar auxillia?

Also, is the horus model still accurate to the days of the luna wolves? Did he have the same weapons in the early/middle crusade?

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>>47770802

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>>47770826
Maybe he periled once or twice in His youth, sank Atlantis when He sneezed without covering his mouth, but He has never periled afterwards.
If there's a human that has mastered his psychic abilities, it's Him.
Also, He doesn't have a gun because he can reliably shoot mind bullets.
The gun depicted in >>47770802 is very important, so that he has something to throw to the ground on challenges. A token of his Old Night days.

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>>47770847
Yes.
>>47770849

>>47769609
That Deathwatch game genestealer cultists could make good Navy models with little converting.

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>>47770874

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>>47770956

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>>47770975

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>>47770990
More Emperor pics.
>>47770999
My nigga. That's my favorite pic of Big E.

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>>47771012

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>>47771031
I'm going old school now.

But has he ever been pictured wearing a helmet?

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>>47771014

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>>47771048
>>47771051
His helmet is His halo.

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>>47771072

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He's kind of there?

>>47763929
As a 40k BT player, there's really no other way to roll, my brother.

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>>47771096
http://maximalismmusic.com/track/lament-exe

>>47771088
I get most of these, but why is corax reading porn? And what's with ferrus?

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>>47771101
Yeah I can see him.

>>47771117
Ferrus has his wolves around him

the porn thing I have no idea

>>47770520
Yeah, he embarasses them by crying loudly in front of everyone, what a real sissy fuckboy with peachy pink skin and warm pink holes

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>>47771251
He cries because he's sorry to blast them away with the assault cannons.

>>47771134
>Ferrus has his wolves around him
>Ferrus
>wolves
Anon...

>>47771351
Yeah, blasts of cum all over his panting face

How's Legio Cybernetica these days? I know the model count is low and scoring is a pain outside of Thallax and gimps. Can they be competitive or will they just get roflstomped repeatedly..

I've been trying to figure out how to get Scoria into a 2K list and he's just way too expensive for that point level. Right now i have 4 castallax in the painting queue and 6 Thallax on the way, trying to round that out.

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>>47771473
Fulgrim, he does the blasting. Sorry you have an ugly mug but Papa Sang is the undisputed master of assault cannons, rip and tear, cinnamon buns, flying, and being fabulous.

>>47771251
>>47771473
>Mad his legion didn't get as much shit done as the Best Angels
>Mad his primarch ain't got shit on Bestguinius
I weep for you.

>>47769549
One of the lost legions, just was never found, or is he a XX legion triplet?

This is a 2500 Mechanicum list meant only for Horus Heresy games.

Anacharis Scoria -Xanathite Abeyant 315
Magos Dominus -Augury Scanner, Machinator Array 105

2x20 Adsecularis with Induction Chargers and Rite of Pure Thought 190

3 Castellax with Darkfire Cannons, Siege Wreckers and Enhanced Targetting Arrays 480

3 Castellax with Mauler Bolt Cannons 315

3 Thallax, 1 Multi Melta, Icarian 175

2 Thanatars -Enhanced Targetting Array 530

5 Myrmidons -5x Grav Imploder 390

Any Advice would be welcome, I have four scoring units so far and hopefully enough Anti Armou

>>47771568
>>47771578
I know what you boys will be doing by the end of tonight ;)

>>47771693
What's the plan? What are the synergies?

Scoria goes with the 480 point Castellax, the Magos Dominus with the cheaper Castellax making them scoring. Two Cybertheurgy users restoring wounds while they get in the opponents face while Thanatars and Myrmidons mulch heavy infantry

Thallax for Anti Air due to the -2 to Cover Saves and Adsecularis Screen the Thanatars and cover Objectives while finishing off weaker squads

I'm putting bat wings on all of my Night Lord heads.

What to use for conversion? Also considering putting huge back wings on some of their backs too.

Did every Titan Legion have at least one Warlord?

>>47769752
Hey don't talk about my niggas lie that. We ride together we become horrible walking abominations of death and decay together. Though mort was a bitch

>>47772073
No, there were several with only one type, others with Reavers and Warhounds, etc.

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>>47772147
But Boxy Grandpa was the mainstay Titan though. I could imagine they at least had the parts for one.

>>47772184
> boxy grandpa
I'm dying

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>>47772306
Sorry I'm killing you.

>>47772184
All of the recent titan fluff comes from FW’s books (including the 40k Imperial Armour books), and since they didn’t have a Warlord model they had to write about legions that either didn’t have any, or weren’t using them. Reavers were the mainstay of some of the legions they wrote about, and I’m pretty sure they mentioned a legion that consisted entirely of Warhounds.

Reavers are an older design; presumably there were more of them than Warlords in 30k, but they’re having trouble making more in M41 so they’re no longer the mainstay by then, and usually hang back in battles.

Generally speaking, the rounded titans we know and love are made on Mars, and the boxy ones on Lucius. There are presumably other patterns that no one’s drawn up yet.

>>47772343
Imperator titans when

>>47772758
There was a rumor that the largest titan they’d do is the Nemesis, which I think is a Warlord with extra weapons on the shoulders.

The Imperator with a castle on its back might go the way of the Squats – it’s a bit too over the top.

>>47772806
>it’s a bit too over the top.
So was the Warlord.
FW won't stop until they're selling 28mm scale battleships.

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>>47772806
The Imperator Titan will be here when they decide that the Tarkin Doctrine is needed on the TT.

>>47771351
I think you mean get ripped in half by Horus

>>47773054
Actually strangled. Papa wasn't having any of Horus's offers, and Horus got mad.

Does anyone actually play Solar Auxilia? It seems like all I ever hear about is Space marine legions and Mechanicum.

>>47772910
I don't get this meme at all.

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Anyone planning on getting this? Kind of sounds like the interesting stuff is on Caliban, with yet more filler which doesn't resolve anything on Macragge.

>>47773054
>2 hours later
Just like your legion was late for the siege of Terra, amirite?

>>47773109
Bolter and Chainsword has all the leaks already.
Radical shit Gav Thorpe story, awesome Alan Blight 1st Legion organization lore. Literally the only reason I'm getting it is more Alan's work. Gav sucks as a writer, and really, as a human being.

>>47773149
>Bolter and Chainsword has all the leaks already.
Post 'em then.

>>47773109
>38 novels
good lord just get to terra already

>>47773163
Counter argument:
Get fucked, lazy ass. Dark Angels Forum on the site. Fucking lazy millennial.

>>47773258
>happy to see leaks when others post
>probably downloaded leaked stuff out of the OP links
>won't share the love himself
Literally parasitic scum.

>>47766479
Thanks anon!

>>47766527
No, thank you. Twins is one thing, but I don't think I'd be able to handle triplets.

Anyways, just finished moving everything into our new house, and I feel like taking a nap in a bit.

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>>47773404
You better shop a picture of Alohapharius's helmet on your kids.
>>47773106
Grav Titan.

>>47773089
They’ll never be easy to popularize. The infantry figures are great (if you like the deep-sea diver look), but they and their transports have high dollar/point ratios. And they don’t have anything that’s truly iconic, imo. The Stormhammer just isn’t that special a model, and the other superheavies are stuff we’ve been seeing for years. Some of the Leman Russ variants look good, but still a little too familiar.

>>47773482
Well, that'll be in a long time, anon. In the meanwhile we'll just be preparing, and going about our daily lives, doing /tg/ things with our friends, etc.

>Alohapharius
I actually don't know this, could you explain?

>>47773668
It's a joke I caused. I was on my phone, didn't pay attention and typed Aloha instead of Alpha and bam Aloha Legion was born.

>>47773668
It should be 'Aloharius' based on a typo someone made about the Al(p/o)ha Legion, they wield melta-coconut-bombs in battle.

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/HHG, i need some help with my list, so criticism and comments are appreciated. General idea is the Siege breaker with the Tyrants, and Kyr goes with the Havocs, which function as both AA and keeping the backfield clear.

+++ Iron Warriors (2000pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2000pts) ++

+ HQ (335pts) +

Kyr Vhalen (195pts)
····Master of the Legion [The Ironfire]

Legion Centurion (140pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Thunderhammer]
····Consul [Siege Breaker]

+ Troops (425pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (210pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Nuncio-Vox]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs]

Legion Tactical Squad (215pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Nuncio-Vox]
····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Twin-Linked Bolter]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs]

+ Elites (300pts) +

Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery (160pts) [2x Legion Rapier, Phosphex Canister Shot]

Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery (140pts) [2x Legion Rapier, Shatter Shell]

+ Heavy Support (940pts) +

Iron Havoc Support Squad (285pts) [6x Iron Havoc, 6x Missile Launcher (with Frag, Krak, & Flakk missiles)]
····Iron Havoc Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Missile Launcher (with Frag, Krak, & Flakk missiles)]

Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (310pts)
····Legion Medusa [Phosphex Shells, Shrapnel Bolts]
····Legion Medusa [Phosphex Shells, Shrapnel Bolts]

Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad (345pts) [5x Tyrant Terminator]

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [IV: Iron Warriors, Loyalist]

>>47773690
I like that one. The Alpha geometry thread was awesome

>>47773690
Now I'm imagining floral pattern Alpha Legionnaires. That's hilarious.

>>47773703
I'd like to see someone model a melta-coconut.

>>47773350
>Bolter and Chainsword
>Literally free to join. Nothing stopping you from going to the site and looking
> even tells you the forum heading it's under
No. YOU are the parasite. Please die from cancer. Sooner the better. Also don't breed (probably not very likely anyway)

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>>47773708
>Kyr Vhalen
Stopped reading there, your list is kickass.
>>47773728

>>47773728
It's perfect.
>>47773733
One of my dudes has that. His fluff is he is from Space Hawii.
>melta coconut
I started that too.

>>47772806
Did the Imperator with the cathedral on its back even exist in M31? Seems a bit religiously dogmatic for the Emperor's liking. Although I guess it would make sense since they belong to the Mechanicum

>>47773780
You've got to post pics of your Tiki-helmeted Aloha marine in floral-pattern power armour and melta coconut

>>47773748
It took you half an hour to come up with that comeback?

I've read it now, you could have just said "the leaks are xboxhuge, far too big to post here".
Thanks for pointing me to the right part of the forum, you lovely person.

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>>47773809
I really should rephrase what I say. I would if I had minis to paint. Remember the AL guy who posted this picture? That was me. I'm thinking about getting some minis, but how would I do the flora pattern?

>>47773932
Yes I know it was you, it was quite obvious the dude asking about tiki masks would be Aloha anon from threads past. I'd say use previously cut sponge bits, unless you're extremely confident in your free hand skills

>>47773984
>sponge bits
Why?

>>47773109
I will, always hungry for some more Night Lords shit.

>>47771360
sorry went full retard for a moment, no idea how I confused Russ with Ferrus

>>47774005
Cut them up into the tiniest stars you ever imagined, grab them with tweezers and dip them in paint, so you can stamp a floral pattern onto the legionnaire's armour. Of course, don't do it until you've tested the stamp's look on a piece of paper.
That way you won't need to draw each individual flower.

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>>47774114
I understand now. What paint would you recommend?

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>>47774160
Maybe white or turquoise stamped on that four-step AL painting guide from threads past?

The HH novels are making it sound like the 40k DA story was straightforward, after all. The Lion was loyal, Luther was not, Cypher was... I'm still not sure what he's all about. Why are the 40k DA so hung up on having some of their legion go traitor, anyway?

>>47774214
Because they are The First. The First should be The Best.

>>47773748
2016 and not linking something when discussing it.
random faggot tries to defend him and tells someone to go get cancer.
holy fuck what has this circlejerking TG shit come to, you utter fucking losers

>>47774214
>The HH novels are making it sound like the 40k DA story was straightforward, after all. The Lion was loyal, Luther was not, Cypher was... I'm still not sure what he's all about.
They were always loyal.
> Why are the 40k DA so hung up on having some of their legion go traitor, anyway?
They've kept the secret for so long that it'll look bad if it's leaked out.
>>47774207
Does anyone have that guide?

>>47774235
The fist should be the Ultramarines? :^)
Srsly tho, I want canon traitor UMs, and not simply traitors from their descendant chapters. Brotherhood of Thorns not enough.

>>47774214
Why did you think it wasn't? Because a single traitor claimed it totally wasn't his fault and he was the one betrayed?

Why would anyone ever trust Astelan? His whole story is just him sucking his own dick about how great and righteous he is.

>Why are the 40k DA so hung up on having some of their legion go traitor, anyway?
It was like half their legion. And their homeworld. Also First Legion Pride. There was a time when Astartes just meant the Dark Angels, which means we're perfect and you need to call us Battle-Oniisama.

Hey /hhg/ where the fuck does everyone get those marine images where they have their own color scheme and wargear. I'm trying to look at color schemes and the B&C painter just isn't cutting it. Thanks in advance!

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>>47775095
It's the VK chapter generator. I can't post the link because 4chan thinks it's spam.

>>47773089
I mean, I have about 1500 points of SA but I've never played the game. I think they're pretty cool, I like the idea of little people just trying to do their best on battlefields dominated by goliath transhumans and nightmarish robutts. As >>47773498 says though, they're not as iconic as the rest of the HH stuff. The command squad are some phenomenal models, but they're completely overshadowed by the Primarchs.

>>47774214
luther was loyalist, the lion was a traitor, the fallen were loyalists and the lion tried to purge them istvaan III style, didnt work and they survived. the fallen tried to warn the emperor but the lion got to them first. the dark angels (who are traitors) continue to hunt the fallen so they wont get found out. thats why they still do crazy shit in 40k like legion build and attack fenris.

DA are just another traitor legion in 40k, the fallen are the loyalist renegades

>>47775236
That color combination is really hurting my eyes

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>>47775401
Now that there is a heap of lies. How do you explain Luther's daemon blade? How do you explain the Lion denying the Chaos Gods? Answer me!
>>47775428
What's wrong with my Christmas marines? Surely my French Dangles won't hurt your eyes.

>>47769395
M-my lord!

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>>47775472
I like this. Made my own chapter using that.
Shining Blades, descended from my loyalist EC they eventually fall to Chaos and become the Flawless Host.

>>47775472
>Now that there is a heap of lies. How do you explain Luther's daemon blade?
lots of loyalists have demon blades, like half of the 40k SM special characters have demon blades.
>How do you explain the Lion denying the Chaos Gods?
he didnt

remember all dark angel fluff is written from the perspective of the traitors, history is written by the victor.

if the fallen had a book from their perspective it would tell the truth about their loyalty.

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>>47775509
>lots of loyalists have demon blades, like half of the 40k SM special characters have demon blades
Nice try, Alpharius, but your lies won't get you anywhere in life.
>remember all dark angel fluff is written from the perspective of the traitors, history is written by the victor.
Source? I demand a source. The only Fallen perspective is Astelan who is a liar.

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>>47775506
Oh I remember you. My Wammu's blessings be upon you.

>>47775595
>May
Fixed.

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>>47771251
>>47771473
Homophobic mad Ultramarine detected.
>Not even surviving a trap from hell with nominal casualties
>Cucks

>>47775472
Those look pretty fucking good, but the red... maybe purple?

>>47771578
>bangles and faguinyass
>getting shit done
gud 1

>>47775706
Brother, don't insult our cousins like that.
>>47775739
Why purple?
>>47775807
Unlike the World Eaters and Word Bearers am I right? We all know it's Horus and the AdMech who run this game.

>>47775872
>Unlike the World Eaters and Word Bearers am I right? We all know it's Horus and the AdMech who run this game.
>word bearers
>neutered ultramarines by killing like 200k of them. primarch still alive
>world eaters
>literally kicked down the gates of the imperial palace. primarch still alive
>blood angels
>got beat up by demons, fled to terra, got killed on terra by world eaters and word bearers, primarch got killed by horus without even wounding him
m8

>>47775928
>>literally kicked down the gates of the imperial palace. primarch still alive
They did no such thing. It was the the Traitor Titans. Dies Irae stronk.
>got killed on terra by world eaters and word bearers, primarch got killed by horus without even wounding him
You really don't know the lore too well. Horus got scared of the loyalist reinforcments, lowered his shields, Sang was tired after 198 days of defending the palace and managed to get one good hit on the Chaos infused Horus. Then Horus decided to be a jerk and caused the Black Rage which made the Blood Angels go berserk which surprised everyone.

>>47775928
>Beat up by daemons
You even read Fear to Tread?

>Killed on Terra by WB and WE
Still won

>Primarch dead
Rather him be dead then just not do anything like every other Primarch

>m8 xDDDDdD