Warhammer Fantasy General

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>>47720266
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tgwhfb

Anyone have a warhammer fantasy discussion skype group I could join?

>no general tor hours

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>>47720312
Then why didn't you make it, nigga?

>Have over a dozen boxes of 40K and Fantasy stuff right next to my desk
>No motivation to put any of it together, let alone paint it

I just don't know why I do this anymore.

>>47720345
Because I woke up like an hour ago.

>>47720312
Does the thread needs to stay up 24/24h?

>>47720478
Because you're too stubborn to admit your love for the game is gone?

>>47720512
Yes.

I know you guys aren't going to like this, but I need some help here. I need to decide whether to expand my Chaos for 40k, start a new Fantasy army for 9th age, or to just say FUCK OFF gw and play another game(Already dipped my toe in X-Wing and Firestorm)

>>47720561
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Does anyone here magnetize their Chaos Warriors? Just starting to get into T9A and I don't really know how I want to kit them out. Was planning on magnetizing them unless there are some builds that are just pointless?

>>47720570
Why do you say Ogres?

>>47720570
Why would anyone like those stupid fat savages?

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>>47720561
Depends what kinda person you are and what you like about stuff?

X-wing seems fine with okay models and alright rules; but I would never get into it because I fucking detest starwars and anyone that fanboys over it.
If you like starwars then go for it.

I personally would start a new Fantasy Army because I love everything about Fantasy, and there's always the chance that they can turn AoS around some day.

I don't care much for 40k but if you expand your chaos army using daemons then you can just use those for Fantasy as well.

>>47720561
It depends on what you enjoy more and what's your local scene is about.

A fantasy army needs some time to get on track and if you have doubts from the start it could all be moot, expanding a 40k army could be not so gratifying if your meta makes you play always the same army at the same points.

>>47720570
This is not a bad idea: Few models, comfy to convert, theme and paint, cool at all sizes.

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First for spankable elf rumps!

>>47720597
>>47720616
Guy from earlier here, right now I am in a 40k league with some serious power gamers. And my current army is Renegades and Heretics which range about 200 models(In a game of 40k 2k points..). When I look at fantasy all I can think about is how dead it feels. Like I have 4 fantasy armies, and none of them feel right any more. About 99% of fantasy players I know play Kings of War, which I really despise. Meanwhile it looks like X-wing is a lot more popular? I always see posts about it on Facebook of people looking for games. Firestorm is really fun, and fits that large scale combat I have been craving. Also as a long time 40k chaos player I am tired of waiting for their new update(Which will never come).

>>47720586
>>47720591
It's the race most fitting this board in terms of similarity

>>47720673
It all depends on your area man.

I've never even heard of Kings of War or X-Wing outside of 4chan.
I see people play fantasy all the time.
That's just the way it is in my town.

If you can't find anyone to play fantasy with you in your city then don't play fantasy.
Or do.
I personally collect 3 fantasy armies even though I only play one because the backstory and the lore means a lot to me.

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>>47720703

>>47720716
In my area only fantasy players are my friends, about 6 of us. And it is not exactly growing. Also 40k is just cancer now. Guess I will go for X-Wing/Firestorm(As the crowd for that is certainly big here too).

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>>47720747
>In my area only fantasy players are my friends, about 6 of us. And it is not exactly growing. Also 40k is just cancer now. Guess I will go for X-Wing/Firestorm(As the crowd for that is certainly big here too).
Have you tried growing it?
Roleplaying as a whole was almost dead in my city until a local librarian started "dungeons and dragons" nights for the kids and now roleplaying is huge here.

Have you reached out looking for any other fantasy players or naw?

>>47720782
I don't see a way to grow it, AoS hit our area really hard. No one goes within a mile of anything fantasy related pretty much. Only seen things bought for 40k conversions. I wish it was still popular but it isn't like how it was years ago.

do we have an art booru?

>>47720673

>Also as a long time 40k chaos player I am tired of waiting for their new update(Which will never come).

Tzeentch/Thousand Sons are supposed to get some stuff over the next twelve months or so, granted not all of the Tzeentch stuff will be for 40k.

There is also confirmation that GW is working on plastic Magnus, Angron, Mortarion, and Fulgrim Daemon Primarchs that can be used in either 40k or Horus Heresy. Which kind of plays into the rumors that the current setting in 40k is going to advance into the 13th Black Crusade.

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>>47720865
Pinterest and google in general are good enough pools of pics; actually the fantasy booru was my first idea before doing the AoS one, problems are: Whfb has less consistently high quality scans/pics and a way more dispersed sources, while for AoS I could pinpoint all pieces and rip them in a few hours.

I could do the same with the other project though: Rip the pics from rulebooks and armybooks in order, but I think it would still feel quite incomplete and inconsistent in quality.

would it be good if I also uploaded 9th age art? What about good fanart?
would "hall of artdolf" be a nice name?
Fartasy doesn't quite have a good ring to it

>>47720703
I don't know, the shitflinging and creativity both lead me to associate /tg/ more with goblins or skaven.

Aww man why did the last thread die, there was so much interesting fluff and new unit discussion, and minimal shit posting.

Anyways new topic, how would you like it if the beastmen were simply spawn of chaos like griffins and pegasi, but didn't automarically align with one of the big 4? I like the idea of beastmen being true natural chaotic rather than chaotic evil. Leaving room for "good" (as far as "good" goes in Warhammer) beastmen types who can trade with/ally with/be manipulated by races like the empire and wood elves. This way beastmen would be just like humans in that many of them can align with the chaos gods, while others choose to worship other, more "benign" gods or nature spirits. Makes a much more interesting story than being born into misery and being forced to be the lowest of chaos servants whether they like it or not, and constantly taking it out on humans and elves.

Alternatively, I'd like if beastmen stayed the same but had their own God(s) in the same way the skaven do, complete with greater daemons and everything

>>47720703
oh u

>>47721073

Gay.

I like beastmen as the born slaves, spit on and disregarded by their masters. So strong in body yet so weak in mind and social standing.

>>47721073

The female Beastmen were apparently "good".

As for not worshiping the Chaos gods, considering they owe their entire existence to them, I'd argue it doesn't make much sense to not worship them. I mean I suppose I could Beastmen who were once human possibly not worshiping them, but I'm not sure if they ever broke down how many Beastmen are born as such and how many are humans or animals twisted into becoming Beastmen.

Did they ever confirm that Beastmen outside of the Old World or the Northern Wastes worship Chaos?

>>47721073
I like the way 9th goes about this. They seem to have detached beasts from the chaos/dark gods completly. No marks. Beasts are a thing of their own - a force of nature- and not just the least popular branch of chaos.

>>47721412
Depends if you consider the tiger headed beings and the monkey men of Ind and cathay true beastmen. The southern beastmen are mostly half daemons, or at least resemble daemons since there aren't too many animals down there. Penguinmen sadly not confirmed.
Creatures like demigryphs, griffons and pegasi are all spawn of chaos and yet are stable enough to be tamed by the "good" races, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to have at least some of the beastmen be in the same boat. They may be spawn of chaos, but it doesn't mean they have to actively worship the big 4 around headstones. Even a more Norscans approach would be better, where the beastmen just accept the chaos gods as a part of life or see them as natural forces. Then again, I wish they would make chaos true chaos or Shiwed them as more multifaceted rather than all evil, all the time.

>>47721073
I like that beastmen are the neglected sons of chaos, I don't know how to integrate chaotic neutrals and true neutrals without damaging the image of the chaotic evil though.

There's not even a real reason to have true neutrals not worship chaos (as a more vague and general force rather than the actual evil aspects of the pantheon), perhaps their symbol could be the eight rays of the stars curving to form a circle

I picked up Warhammer in 2001 certainly 2002 just in time for the current Beastman models. I was already playing Beastmen though but I Hated that they were Chaos. It was the Redwall books that attracted me to them.

The idea of that is funny to me now and if I remake them they'll be Khornate.

So, how are you all taking the fact that warhammer fantasy is finally free from GW's hands and is now a full videogame brand?

Will it attract more people to the lore? Will warhammer finally become mainstream?

>>47721550

>Then again, I wish they would make chaos true chaos or Shiwed them as more multifaceted rather than all evil, all the time.

They're like that because 40k and Fantasy are grim settings. Chaos in a way is a universal slap in the faces for various races being so terrible.

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Are the Imperial units supposed to be that mediocre like they are in TWW? Are they prefer quantity over quality? Besides the artillery of course.

>>47722263
'oomies are squishy

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>>47722199
>implying chaos is a form of universal balance
Chaos apologist go and stay go

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>>47722263
Yes, humans are frail and weak by many standards compared to the other races.

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>>47722370
empire rulebooks state that the empire isn't the best at anything, they're just mediocre/good at pretty much everything. Their diversity and ingenuity makes up for lack of natural prowess.

>>47722178
everyone who will get into warhammer fantasy either knows 40k or inevitably will, making it look secondary in comparison, especially with the whole end times shit; I don't hold too much hope for GW giving the IP for other GOOD videogames.

Total war alone is godly, still, but without input from GW, warhammer as a videogame brand will be a bit stale considering GW will not allow further additions to expand it.

>>47720673
where are you located?
Maybe threads like this could be used also for players to find opponents

Is Nurgle the weakest Chaos God?

>>47723400
No, slanny is.
Nurgles strength goes up and down though.

>>47723400
khorne
tzeentch
nurgle
slaanesh*

*his power waxes and wanes

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>>47723483
>>47723498

Why they made Slaanesh the weakest? Lust and sex is powerful.

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Guys I have the possibility to pick up a sealed box of the old Dark Elf Warriors for about 23$ including shipping.

Is it worth it?
I don't know how much it would normally go for.

ded thread
ded game
ded hope

>>47723873
Very lively shitposters still.

>>47723892
Thanks :3

>>47723892
Worms can keep the carcass twitching long after it expired.

>>47723966
The truth has been spoken.

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>>47723873
>everything is dead
time for skeletons war

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>People respond to bait instantly
>Nobody ever responds when I ask about trading on bartertown
>Nobody ever responds when I ask about steam/skype groups for WHFB
>then people complain about the thread being dead

Yet I keep talking.
I must be autistic senpaitachi.

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>>47724036
Oh, yeah. Anyone else feels that in Total Warhammer the Vampire Counts are OP? I'm raping everyone including chaos.

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>>47724053
I don't know about Skype groups but there is a Steam group, it was the first post.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tgwhfb

also /twg/

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/totalwargeneral
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/twgmp

>>47724071
I ain't playing as em, but my friend reports they're completely OP.

>>47724053
answering to bait is easier than organizing for things people may not care about since most here have their own hobbistic reality to stay in.

general threads run on banter, news and cheap homemade content or ideas.
the banter usually gets killed whenever someone mentions the end times, the news are not relevant to whfb without keeping an open mind and the homemade content despite fun is not cared about enough by anyone else who didn't directly partecipate in it.

It's a sad world, I don't even know why I come here anymore, bu they told me I was supposed to stay here forever.

>>47723759
The old elven kits aren't that good in my opinion, why invest in those rather than the newer ones?

>>47724215

Not a huge fan of the solid molded bodies, I like to have more modular models like the older GW ones did.

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>>47724053
These threads only seem to be for two kinds of people: Fluffautists battling it out and shitposters.
No minis posted, no lists posted, no strategies discussed. It's a bit said 2bh.

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>>47724334
>These threads only seem to be for two kinds of people: Fluffautists battling it out and shitposters

You forgot art bumpers.

>>47724334
The setting is the best part of Warhammer Fantasy, the game was bad for at least two editions.

>>47725100
Well, there are people that are in it for the fluff, others for modeling/painting and even others for the game part itself.

Personally I haven't given a fuck about the setting in 10 years or so. I know the basics and just want to built, paint and play. I just skip fluff discussions and consequently 95% of /tg/ warhamms threads.

>>47724334
>>47724973
I know, right?

Lets discuss some classic and merry WHFB subjects.

Be'lakor and Archaon

>>47725654
Let's.

Topic: Which linedev self-inserts as these Mary Sues?

>>47723714
Slaanesh is just the youngest and is still gaining power since he thrives on excess. the other chaos gods fear that one day slaanesh will surpass them in power since even their excess fuels her.

Fun fact, khorne is tsundere for slaanesh, this is canon and has been mentioned in a few of the rulebooks. There's a hilarious story where she gives the other gods chalices to gain their favor. Tzeentch and nurgle are cool with it since it fans their ego. Khorne smashes his in disgust, but immediately sets to collecting all the pieces and putting them back together before smashing it all over again. He has done this countless times

>>47726014
What's a linedev?>>47726142
>Slaanesh is just the youngest and is still gaining power since he thrives on excess. the other chaos gods fear that one day slaanesh will surpass them in power since even their excess fuels her.

This what drove Tzeentch and Khorne to help Tyrion and Malerion kidnap Slaanesh.

>>47724973
I'm practicing drawing just so i can make warhammer battle scenes. I'll be good one day.

started a new mordheim campaign. gonna add some wolves to my wood elf warband this week. who /mordheim/ here?

>>47720266
>>47679067

>>47720561
What else does your group play?

>>47726595
yo I gotchu
and to save you some time here's the deal: play shadow warriors or 20 skaven with slings or youre doing it wrong

>>47720984
I've got a scanner and a lot of books. Which in particular need to be higher quality?

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>>47726764
??

>>47724053
FLuff discussions and speculation are the only interesting conversions. The last thread had a lot of this. otherwise these threads are dead as fuck. I'm convinced there are only about 3-4 other fluffautists like myself who keep these threads alive, along with the guy that insists his 6th edition low fantasy version of warhammer is the only canon one

>>47727183
Well yeah, which is why I wanted a skype group to discuss fluff; I'm head-over-heels with the setting and books.

so i got the old Guardians of the Deepwood from the lgs at a disount

Are dryads any good in 9th? I remember them not being very good in 8th but im thinking of ways to use them
maybe i'll have a lvl2 life or lvl4 life treeboi and hope i dont run into any flamethrowers

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Asrai a cute

>>47727269
>Are dryads any good in 9th?

They appear to be pretty much unchanged compared to 8th so I guess they'd be good. Not sure if I'd run larger blocks instead of smaller support units preferably with the skirmish upgrade. Blocks don't really seem to suit the elf game play, every model past the first 10 will be more expensive, also only the first row get's fulll attacks.


If you run larger units I'd consider a wizard with lore of the wild for the +1 strength +1 toghness buff. Should be pretty nasty on them.

t. someone not playing welves

I'd include at least one smallish unit in my core.

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how the fuck do you deal with a doomwheel if your faction doesnt have cannons

>>47727675
Charge it first? It breaks easily from combat res, doesn't it?

>>47726879
OP doesn't have the linl to the last thread.

There it is.

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WHY DID THEY REPLACE THEM!?

>>47721073
That neutrality is something I may do in my own setting, but I am not totally sure about integrating that idea back into WFB/WFRP.

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>>47722263
Git yourself some Veterancy upgrades. Humans are squishy,but with enough experience and training they can be amazing. Hell, TWWH can display that better than the tabletop in a lot of ways.

(Also on a total war note, Karl Franz on Deathclaw with a fireball ring is crazy fun.)

>>47726142
One of the few good things written by Matt Ward.

>>47726799
nah I care more about the lore and campaign story we got going

>>47720673
>Despising based KoW.
Wew. I can see not liking it, but despising?

>>47728618
what are some of the other gangs you'll be facing?

A skaven gollum to help the PCs briefly, good idea or bad idea?

>>47730025
Cool

>>47727675
Tarpit it with a bigass unit of shit it will take ages to kill. Have like four ranks and a banner.

>>47726822
I'm not too sure, I would need to start checking on the pdf and making folders of images before giving an useful answer.

The only thing I'm sure is that we've got triumph and treachery and storm of magic fluff sections (and relative images) missing on top of one of the pages for slaanesh realm in the daemons armybook.

But these would be more requests for the sake if the pdf completeness than the collection of images.

>>47728512
got my Ungrim a fireball ring off of greenie scum, kinda funny seeing him off people with his axe, turn a 180 to shoot out a fireball and then just resume business as usual

>>47726142
Where can I read that?

>>47730434
I am going to miss that ring when I restart things!

>>47730434
My vampire lord for Mousillon has firebreath and fireball, pretty fun when i'm laying siege to the !NotFrench towns and castles

>>47731028
Some sort of starting location mod? Or did you just confederate with them?

>>47731059
Probably one of those mods that add playable factions
You can play bretonnia with some of those, too

>>47730834
It's in the daemons of chaos or warriors of chaos 7th edition rulebook

Want to make an Ironbraker career for WFRPG 2ed.

Any suggestions?

>>47732487
Their equipment is very high tier - gromril and rune weapons - so they're probably a third tier career at least, based somewhat on the Champion. Dwarfs only, of course. Fear resisting. Big pumping of Toughness and WS.

>>47723714
Most people are to busy struggling to survive to worry about that kind of shit. Slaanesh would be more in a modern society with abundant resources, and plenty of time for idol pursuits and leisure.
In a medieval shithole, your average peasant would probably pray to Nurgle or Tzeentch.

So Forgeworld has stopped producing warhammer fantasy stuff, but i'm desperate to get a copy of the Night Goblin Shaman, and the Wight King BSB. Does anyone know if Zanchui is still producing his cheap knockoffs/how to purchase them? I'd never originally intended to buy cheap chinese knockoffs, but now I can't legitimately acquire a copy of those models, i'm sorta forced to look into this guy.

>>47732644
Yes, Z recasts these.

>>47732788
Any idea how to go about acquiring models from Z? Virgin purchaser here with nothing to go off other than seeing regular posts about based chinaman.

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Let's getaway from all the shitposting
Help me write some fluff for my war bands new chaos lord

>>47732644
Wqit, they've officially stopped? No more chaos dwarfs or anythingm

>>47732595
Slaanesh in modern times would easily be the strongest, then tzeentch, nurgle and finally khorne. The grimdsrkness of the warhammer world keeps slaanesh weaker at the moment. Notice how the factions she loves preying on are the most civilized

>>47733113
We're already witnessing the powers of slaanesh in sweden and germoney

>>47733113
Tzeentch would be stronger then Slaanesh, you cant really torture or rape people. In current times so much shit has changed for the last 20 years i dont get how he wouldn't be the strongest god. Nigger you change things every second of your life. Even stopping to think about this is a change and going out on weekens is change. Tzeechtch should be way more powerful then he already is.

Guys can anything stop the Skaven :*(

they're too powerful wtf, just like the Nids in 40k

>>47734452
Lizardmen can fuck rape them i think

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>>47723155

>I don't hold too much hope for GW giving the IP for other GOOD videogames.

GW doesn't give the IP to anyone. Developers come to GW with an idea and they decide whether or not to give it the go ahead.

>>47723714

Slaanesh is more than just lust and sex.

Like others said it's mostly the fact that Slaanesh primarily relies on those who resources and free time to grow, his human worshipers usually having some some measure of wealth or those who make a living in things such as the arts. Though you could make the argument that Slaanesh could be quite intoxicating since he offers the chance to cast off the drudgery of life and indulge yourself.

>>47726165

To be honest they don't even really need that as an excuse. Khorne just hates Slaanesh and for Tzeentch it either further his own goals, shakes things up, or a combination of the two.

>>47733057

Warhammer Forge stopped a while ago. They still make most of the old Fantasy models though and probably will continue until they prove non-profitable or the molds becomes useless. They even brought back Tamurkhan for AoS after seemingly scrapping him. I imagine the Wight King getting dropped could be because there are no AoS rules for one with a banner and/or the mold being too old.

They still intend on creating Chaos Dwarfs and carving out a place for them in AoS. Chaos Dwarfs actually got a Warhammer World exclusive character and a bigger kit that will be available from FW at some point.

>>47732891
Give us something to work with.
Picture? Wargear? Mark? Theme?

>>47730270
Current Daemons? I think I have that, don't have the other two though.

>>47734452
Each other.
Skaven are incompetent backstabbers.

They also job to all other Chaos factions.

>>47734452
What makes the nids powerful is that they are driven by a single will. Skaven are the exact opposite. Skaven lose to skaven more than any other faction. Even during the end times, when they were at their most powerful, they couldn't get their shit together and actually lost more troops to the infighting that occurred than from the wars against the weak southern human nations. If the skaven were united by a hive mind, they would have overrun the world centuries ago.

The skaven lost every major war they were involved in, even when they had every advantage going their way. Lizardmen and The undead in particular are the best counters to them, and they are absolutely terrified of elves and get BTFO in every fight against them. Skaven are also huge cowards, as soon as some of them start routing most of the army follows. During the final battle of Karaz-a-Karak, the skaven still outnumbered the dwarfs hundreds to 1 when they started running away and lost.

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>>47720266
Please I don't want it to be dead, I've only just hopped on the Total War train.

>>47735864
>and they are absolutely terrified of elves
Wait really? What's the fluff? I thought dark elves "who are considered normal elves in the universe" were mutual with the Skaven and they had a jolly old time betraying each other for sport.

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>>47736025
They never made any major moves against the elves until recently, and both times they got BTFO. there isn't much information about their interaction with the dark elves though, and the wood elves helped drive them out of bretonnia. The skaven purposely avoided the elves for most of history until being called out for it.

>>47736199
Also have to keep in mind that this is completely from the skaven point of view. in their arrogance they honestly believe that the lizardmen, orcs, empire and bretonnia posed no threat to them.

First battle against the elves was against an isolated colony, they lose badly and get their whole fleet sunk but come back to assassinate the mage running the place. They later tired to invade ulthuan, but caradyran and the phoenix guard showed up and ensured no skaven made it off the beach

>>47732839
you can literally google it and get answers, mostly from reddit.

>>47735914
This
>Total war gets me really interested in the table top game
>It's dead
>Look up the miniatures
>They're gone

What was this game like at it's peak?

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>>47724334

Minis arguably have their own thread and I'd assume you can post Fantasy ones there without triggering someone.

List and strategy is possibly due to the current game being tugged in some many directions. Plus the people who are using the KoW rule set aren't going to post about such things here.

Lore is what I find most interesting, so personally I don't mind. I know in other threads where my only primary interest at the moment may be the lore, I end up skipping quite a bit.

>>47727955

Judging by that picture, they look possibly technologically worse.

>>47734433

I think there is an argument that Slaanesh would be just as strong. Sex, drugs, the arts, and idol pursuits are all very much a part of today's world. Capitalism and its facilitation of the purchase and desire for luxury goods would strengthen Slaanesh.

>>47736712
It wasn't perfect. Balance was always an issue and there were some mechanical sticking points in the core rules that GW could never quite fix. But it was brilliant little game. I always felt like it found a good compromise between being complex and tactically engaging, and being easy to get into and understand.

The increasing barrier to entry killed it, sadly. When the game escalated from 40-model units being the average instead of the exception, and the price spiraled to the point where you had to pay £20 for ten models, it was just impossible to lead new people in. GW strangled the game then wondered why no-one was spending money on it.

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hey guys, wanna get into the hobby. can't choose between skaven and lizardmen.

any comments? their balance, the way they play, why you like their lore? help me pick

if youre a fucking lazy bastard then theres a strawpoll here http://www.strawpoll.me/10463090

i'll post some art i have

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>>47736712
It was glorious...glorious...Warhammer almost had a TV gameshow at one point.

>>47736932
Slaanesh is all about pride, arrogance, hedonism, and an excess in all things.

In old fluff it was kind of his thing that followers felt absolutely no kind of negative emotions, later on in Black Library the obsession with all extremes, even a kind of pursuit of the ultimate guilt for your own actions just for the sake of feeling it, was there. Which is my favorite interpretation, someone so utterly fucked up that they do feel bad about what they do but just want to feel the maximum amount of shame and guilt possible.

>>47736932
I dont doubt Slaanesh would be a good second but Tzeentch would definitely be first. He's less powerful since peasants have pretty basic and tamed lives but the very concept of typing, chaning lanes, changing the settings on your character, deciding to choose taco bell or mcdonalds and even changing clothes when you're about to fuck or videos when your on a random porn spree will give him power. All art is shallow now a days and not really done with passion like Slaanesh would like. The shallowness of Hollywood capeshit would be a limited power source to Slaanesh. Also with all the knowledge available in the internet will give Tzeentch an incredible amount of power.

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>>47737256
1) Play the one with the playstyle you like the most.
2) Play the one with the lore you like the most.
3) Play the one with the models you like the most.
4) Play the one you will enjoy painting the most, or at least will hate painting the least if that's not your thing.

Nobody can decide for you.

But here's some major differences; you will paint a LOT of models with Skaven, and they're remarkably the same. But you get a lot more customization options, since they have radically different clans to choose from. The painting it more forgiving if you can master the use of washes and painting rusty metal.

Lizardmen have smaller groups of more elite troops so you paint less. Lizardmen have much less variation among them, the differences are far more subtle between different groups. You REALLY need to get good at painting gold, which is a lot harder than it sounds since good gold isn't just slapping gold paint on a model and giving it a single wash layer. Reptile skin has less detail than Skaven metals and cloth so it tends to go a lot faster.

Lizardmen have better centerpiece models but they are all expensive, Skaven only really have one good one and its expensive as fuck unless you want to hop on eBay and buy the old out of production (OOP) one like I did which is a quarter of the size, and the same proportion of the price.

Lizardmen will be the cheaper army to get into with pure Games Workshop models, but Skaven have a LOT more proxy models on the market that you can use.

Skaven playstyle relies on a LOT of glass cannons that want to run away and meanwhile their weapons are about to explode, giving you a kind of gamble on a lot of things for high risk and high reward.
Lizardmen are FAR more reliable and have their cheap tarpit, their durable elites, their killy elites, their monsters, the big models, and the wizards. All very reliable, all very standard. Top it off with being the polar opposite in terms of bravery, Lizzies don't run.

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>>47737351

>>47737298

A lot of what you describe sounds like watered down change and the kind of stuff that may only give Tzeentch a minute bump.

The more change which I'd think would have impact would be those trying to change their lives, change their countries or the world politically and/or culturally, etc.

I also don't see why the content matters to empowering Slaanesh, that someone has the drive to do so and enjoys it would be enough in my mind. Of course I'm referring to people who do stuff of their own volition, stuff which is done purely for money may not boost Slaanesh unless the person in question is incredibly avaristic.

I could see the internet helping Tzeentch more than it hurts him, only hurting him if the knowledge people desired was stuff that generally wasn't known.

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Got any headcanon? I think that there are two outcomes from the Storm of Chaos concerning Valten. Either Karl Franz is the one who ordered his assassination, so as to avoid a religious civil war, or Valten faked his own death to avoid the same thing. I like to think that he's acting in the shadows, righting wrongs and showing up at the most desperate hour to help out the helpless before retreating to obscurity again.

>>47737411
>A lot of what you describe sounds like watered down change and the kind of stuff that may only give Tzeentch a minute bump.
yeah fair enough, i still dont know the degrees of change. That said i'd still say if minor changes dont give Tzeentch much power i still think being shallow would do the same for Slannesh. But with technological progress raising and falling and the internet i'd still see Tzeentch as the strongest. I dont see us being too morally bankrupt yet but maybe i could be wrong about that.

>>47731105
This anon has the right of it, starting as Mousillon is fairly hard seeing as they start with a town and happen to be surrounded hostile factions,doesn't help that empire of sigmar gives the bretonnians some more units to work with.

>>47737438
>Got any headcanon?
Nagash came back with the help of Mannfred and Arkhan.

Nobody important was sacrificed, the world isn't ending. Nagash is just leading a vampire/Tomb King army against the vampires and Tomb Kings for control, which currently affects nobody else.
The Dread Abyssals are just some shit that Nagash whipped up using skeletons of random monsters for his lieutenants to ride.

Archaon was killed in Kislev while attempting to start End Times as per Storm of Chaos game-side, everything went back to status quo when his army infought itself into oblivion while trying to invade Russia during winter.

Drachenfels is Malal.

Sotek is the World Dragon. He helped the Slann teach Elves magic.

>>47737256
Lizardman Drug Cartels Master Race B)

>>47735376
Bizarrely, there actually are rules for a Wight King with a banner in AoS. It might even be the only currently-playable unit that's not in the 'legacy' warscrolls, but doesn't have an official model.

>>47737677

Huh, had forgot about that. Guess I was assuming that Warscroll was just based off of the regular Wight King model. Suppose then that either the mold was too old or that the model didn't sell enough to warrant being kept in stock.

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>>47735914
It all depends on your local area.

The game is "too big to fail" in a lot of ways, lots of other companies have begun feasting on the corpse, producing models and rules intended for use to represent warhammer fantasy, more than a few of which are markedly superior to the original.

>>47724071
Their units are overtuned, ION seems like it's shit though? That upset me.

I think the tier list is something like VC > Empire > Dwarves > WoC > Bret > Greenskins for pvp at least, that's what my experience has been

>DEMIGRYPH
>KNIGHTS

>>47735669
>Current Daemons?
Yes, 8th edition

>>47738106
to be more precise we miss page 11

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>>47733228
Slaanesh won.

>>47736998
>Balance is an issue

Looks at 40k

Balance no longer seems an issue.

>>47724071
I find the losses caused by the vampire/chaos spread really insane, 30% is enough to fuck your shit up so invading them is really hard.

>>47738608
It makes sense in a lore way. Otherwise Sylvania and Mousillon would have been purged centuries ago. They're just so goddamn dangerous that it's hard to mount a force against them, let alone lead a campaign in their lands.

>>47737438
>headcanon
Valten, Karl Franz and Huss form a holy trinity for sigmar, with each representing one of his aspects. Valten the warrior, Franz the emperor and Huss the voice of
Sigmar

The original plan for the old ones was to put the elves, dwarfs, humans, halflings and ogres into a chaos opposing caste system like the lizardmen are

There are around 30-50 steamtanks in the empire, but the original 8 made by Leonardo are the best

The lady of the lake was originally Lileath but became its own super powerful entity after all the bretonnian worship

Grail Knights are MCU cap levels of awesome and the blessing provides them with near invulnerability to gunpowder weapons

tyrion is the chosen of Asuryan, not khaine

>>47738656
Grail Knights are either bad motherfuckers that are also paragons of knightly virtue.

Or they are pure blooded nobles that are of an unbroken line of Breton kings of old. Pure of heart may not mean 'good'. Just a thought I had while in a ride today. I still prefer them being noble paladins, but I still thought it was an interesting twist. For me, anyway.

>>47738608

Change your marching order, in raiding or encampment stance you don't suffer attrition.

It obviously slows you down though.

Dwarves and Orcs moving in the underway also get this benefit, without the negative of being slowed down.

I didn't find it out until very late in my dwarf game but it really helped me take back those three northern settlements.

>>47738784

Oh and the reverse is true for vampires, they wont suffer attrition in a normal area if they are in the raiding or encamped stance.

>>47736199

There is a campaign in Monstrous Arcanum where the Skaven wipe out a High Elf army encamped at some High Elf ruins awaiting return to Lothern.

>>47737538

I don't think it's a question of moral bankruptness so much as people in the first and possibly even second world now have a lot of time to devote to the kind of things that would empower Slaanesh.

There is still war and a lot of violent crime, so I'm not sure Khorne would be entirely weakened either.

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Is it true that Nagash spawns in Total Warhammer VC late campaign? I've read it somewhere but never seen it.

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>>47739099
Not that I've heard. You might be confusing him with a Lord of Change that spawns during the late campaign and makes a beeline towards Chaos, or comes down with the Chaos invasions if you're another faction.

Manfred only mentions him and doesn't even pronounce his name right.

Only I say it properly. Nah-gash. Not Nuhgash.

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>>47739140
Nah, I saw the Lord of Change earlier mein brüder. Maybe the Nagash one is just bullshit.

Would be awesome though.

>>47737438
>Got any headcanon

Storm of Chaos happened, but after his defeat and humiliation, Archaon lost the favour of the gods and lost his title as everchosen. This is the first time an everchose loses his title without dying.

Valten's fate remains misterious. Truth is, Huss suspected someone might try and kill him but didn't act in time. He managed however to secure Valten's dying mortal frame and he's keeping him alive with the aid of Sigmar's magic, while looking for a way to either restore him to health or bind the power of Sigmar to himself.

Archaon is back to square one, unwilling to accept his own failure, and is trying to conquer the favour of the gods once more. Too bad a whole bunch of other champions are arising and the tribes of the North are all divided, supporting different sides.

Grimgor Ironhide went back east, razing the chaos dwarfs fortresses and then moving north in the Troll Country. At the moment, he heard about the existence of Throgg and basically wants to either loot or kill him, so that his army can have its own magic trolls.

The Dwarves finally draw breath after the wave of chaos recedes. Thogrim seizes the moiment and launches a full-sclae crusades against the greenskins, setting a foot in some lost holds.

Nagash comes back thanks to Kemmler, and starts raising an army of undead to destroy everything a-la supervillain style.
Mannfred and his minions don't accept to be dicked over, and call on for the Emnpire, putting Franz in a difficult situation: either he grants Mannfred the title of Elector Count and they fight Nagash together, or the vampire will join the Necromancer. At the same time, Mannfred tries to reason with Nagash, primising his allegiance if nagash helps him become Emperor.
Thing gets more complicated when rumors come of a gigantic skeleton army marching all the way to sylvania from the south, led by fucking Settra himself, flattening all who dare oppose him.

Skaven get back at bickering and backstabbing, as usual

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>>47739220
>>My creations will obey me!
It could happen. Blood Dragon knights are already a confirmed DLC, I'm sure Nagash will come soon enough.

>>47739239
I honestly think that Archaon isn't the final Everchosen. There are four, I think, that are named. Plus you have to trust who is telling the prophecy, which is also bullshit. Trusting in Chaos is like believing that chronic liar kid you knew when you were young.

>>47739239
Isn't Mannfred an elector count already?

>>47739269
No. Sylvania wasn't a province proper. Vlad was only named such during the End Times, which we don't speak of.

>>47737256
Skaven are just all around awesome. Lizardmen are the army my stupid little brother liked when he was 10 because Dinosaurs.

There's no contest at all.

>>47739239
Cont'd.

Lizardmen keep fucking around in Lustria, fighting off the clan Pestilens. Too bad lord skrolk has done the impossible and managed to break in Itza, bringing the fight to the streets.
This made lord Kroak a little 200% mad, mad enough to wish himself back to life and bring his holy righteous frog foot up skrolk's ass.

Back to the mountains of Mourn, the Great Maw has grown restless. earthquakes are a daily rountines and more and more Ogres are moving westwards. This made the Chaos Dwarves both mad and happy.
Mad because the Ogres are now eating their hobgoblins, happy because now they can buy Ogre mercenaries instead of flimsy greenskins.
This helped the Chaos Dwarves survive Grimgor's rampage, redirecting him to the North.

The Empire is in deep shit. On a side, internal unrest and reconstruction after the storm of chaos is taking most of Franz's time, but the shit stirring in Sylvania is worrying too.

Stirland, Averland and Ostermark are already bearing the brunt of the first undead invasion and the Priests of Morr are restless. While many advocate for Karl to accept Mannfred's request, the Church of Morr as a whole and many Priestesses of Shallya claim that no good can come from siding with the undead.

Beastmen tested thair luck anbd failed. During the Storm, a great number of warherds poured out of the forests, mainly the Drakwald, to join the forces of Chaos. With Archaon's defeat, many herds were left scattered and started fighting eachother as well as attacking both Imperial and Norscans alike, suffering even heavier losses.
Kazhrak one eye tried to rally the herds and retreat back into the drakwald, but other beastlords betrayed him and left him behind, giving Todbringer the perfect chance to lop his head off.
With Khazrak gone, the minor beastlords engaged in blody interlan war, giving the armies of middenheim the chance to sweep into the Drakwald forest. Todbringer claims he will seize the whole of drakwald for himself

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>>47739453
>>Beastmen tested their luck and failed
Cucks of Chaos.

>>47736557

Wasn't sure if these answers were up to date on the subreddit. Thanks for the heads up though.

Question:

Has anyone ever eaplained why the hell did Mazdamund cause the earthquakes that sent the Dwarf empire in ruin?

Was it intentional? What did the dwarves do to piss him off?

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>>47739559
The Lizardmen act as according to the plaques left to them by the Old Ones. They do their best whilst reading millennia old plans.

It didn't help that the Skaven enacted their doom device at almost the exact same time, which the Slaan attributed to their own spellwork.

>>47739581
I'm at loss with Skaven lore. What doom device? The one that brought Morrslieb down?

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Let's try this again with a public group.

I had it set to invite only and then got surprised when nobody else joined.
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tgwhfb

>>47739604
Read the 7th edition Skaven book at page 18. It relates how the first, but not the last, time that a Skaven device failed them. A device that would open the way underground for them. This was before the War of the Beard as this was during the time of, let's say, proto-Skaven, as Snorri Halfhand had his fingers bitten off by a Skaven 'neanderthal'.

>>47739655
>proto-skaven

They didn't fucking evolve; they are chaos mutants...

>>47739677
I don't mean in the sense that there are several evolutions of Skaven, but a primitive version nonetheless. They were mutants originally, but a race afterwards. If you read War of Vengeance and basically any other series after that, they do change.

>>47739655
>>47739691
Didn't skaven come to be after the war of Vengeance?

The Creation of Skavenblight after the turning of the population of Tylos into Skavens is recorded to happen well two hundred years after the war of vengance

>>47735635
He's an oop chaos knight
I'm painting him as udevided

>>47739677
They did in fact evolve, just rather quickly.

>>47739729
Possibly, but that doesn't remove the reason for the Old Ones demanding a geological shift in the Worlds Edge Mountains.

Snorri and his cousin Morgrim were adventuring in an old dwarf hold, where Snorri had half (lel) of his hand bitten off. They were there, but not in the same force that came after the Karaz Ankor was shattered. They spoke and used crude, but effective, weapons and armour, but were still basically cavemen compared to what they would be afterwards.

The breaking of the dwarf empire certainly helped.

>>47739691
They are much more stable than Beastmen, which are kind of still dependent on human populations, yeah. They have their own deity, while Beastmen are seen as rejects even by other followers of Chaos.

Tangent about Chaos. The Dragon Ogre lord in the new Total War game is the damn coolest thing ever, but Chaos is otherwise so damn boring. Its a horrible conundrum. Hopefully when Beastmen are added, there's a Doombull (with hooves, not feet).

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>>47739774
I suppose it's because they have their own god. The Horned Rat looks after them, in his own way. Beastmen are the red headed mixed-race stepchild of Chaos, while Warriors are the Aryan son.

Every army will come to pass in Total War. I only hope they remember rules about army composition, like Dragon Ogres refusing to fight for daemon Lords because they feel it will take the last bit of their souls.

anyone just collecting miniatures and not playing ? Thinking about picking this hobby but I am pretty sure I would not find anyone to play with me in my town.

>>47739956
Depends on the area you're in. I still pick up models to paint, even though all my friends are all across the country. It depends on how much you like converting and/or painting.

>>47739956
A ton of people do it.

I've got 3 huge 150+ miniature armies and I've never even played the game.

Painting and building is cathartic and I love the books and backstory.

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>>47739956
Army building is rather a lot of the fun

does everyone ITT hate AoS ?
Why ? Because of lore ? Why did GW even scrap WHFB ?

>>47740064
I don't hate it, but isn't a very good product. Lot's of other games with more soul on it, or fun to play.
>>47739956
I don't use my gw to play whfb, but skirmishing games and KoW. Making armies is fun.

>>47740064
I don't hate it, I simply refuse to reconìgnise it's existence
Because it's based on nothing. The lore is shallow, the game is inconsistent and despite WHFB not being the diamond of clarity or logic, it's still better than the random "badass" shit they put in AoS with no thought or reason whatsoever.

AoS is a game as much as action man or barbie, with no thought in it, made simply to draw in young kids by hurling in it "cool" and "awesome" things.

The rules on the other hand follow utter retardation, much like GW thought them thinking they need t teach the meaning of blue to a child with down syndrome.

Simplicity is the finest of things, but not when simplification borders in "no rules, use your imagiation!"

From a board game, AoS turned into an action figure brand. Next thing you know they'll start selling premade models for you to play with

>>47739956
Sure. I painted 3k of EA and theres zero chance of me finding an opponent. I just like the minis.

>>47740064
>because fucking marinees.
Isn't that a good reason in its own? No..?
How about:
>They fucking killed WHFB.
>Game is dumbed out to tears.
>Lore is nonexistent.
>Comunity is terrible.
>I can't walk into my LGS anymore without being talked into buying fantasy marines.
>Really GW, fucking fantasy marines??!
Really, any reason to non-hate it?

>>47740064
I don't hate it, it's just boring to me.

I didn't play Fantasy all this time but to secretly wish it was full of Space Marines like 40k.

Otherwise I woulda played 40k.

I grew up with The Old World and they've replaced it with this mess of a ruleset and barely extant setting full of ugly overdesigned miniatures that nobody short of a Golden Demon winning painter can really finish to a satisfying level of detail.

Games Workshop have been on thin ice with me for a long time, AOS pretty much just ensured that I'd never buy another product of theirs again is all.

This isn't as some sort of flaccid ultimatum as if I imagine my custom means anything to them (it doesn't and neither does yours, not as long as there are a billion fourteen year olds with pocket money in the world), the only person I've stopped spending money on Games Workshop products for is ME.

Because they are not worth it to me any more.

>>47740279

I think the fantasy marines look good and I dont even like 40k marines

>>47739956
Yeah. I have 5 armies on the go because I like painting and love the models. Hardly likely to find anyone to play with.

>>47740312
It's ok mate, I can't teach you good taste.

Is Mordheim: city of the damned worth it?

I was thinking about buying it with the steam summer sales, but reviews are torn

many point out the random dice system is unfair

>>47740064
whfb was essentially scrapped out of gw's inability to accept the blame for fuck ups.
8th edition and general gw mismanagement let to a decline in popularity of fantasy. and they thought "hey fantasy isn't doing so well, why is that? Did we fuck up the good thing somewhere and turn it into a shittier thing? Probably not. I bet the issue is that the setting or core game mechanics is just no longer appealing to people for some reason. Rather than attempting to fix the problems initially spawned by our own shortsighted greed, lets destroy it and build anew, there's no way we can think of to use this beloved 30 year old ip to our advantage anymore other than shooting it and letting game developers gangbang the body."

>>47740355
Download it and try yourself.
It is a very solid transposition.
The weak points it is gets boring fast in my opinion. Only 4 warbands at the moment (with a 5th in the making), and maps are very repetitive.

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>>47740355
It's emulating a game about rolling dice, not sure what they expect.

I love the tabletop but I don't think it translates well at all to video game format. The fundemental mechanics of mordheim aren't fun enough on their own,the majority of the fun in mordheim is pissing yourself with laughter with your friends when something silly happens, building and finding the emergent story of a characterful band of characters, and the immesurable primal joy of high stakes die rolling. None of that really finds it's way to the video game for obvious reasons, and instead you get a fairly tactically devoid mach together all our guys and hit attack a lot simulator.

I really wanted it to be good, but mordheim just isn't suited for it. Bloodbowl, total war, vermintide, and man o war are all rather good though.

>>47739480
I always liked beastmen.

To me, they're a even greater threat than chaos warriors or demons.

A common citizen of the empire would probably fear the beastmen more than the hordes of chaos. You know where the norscans reside, up North, and you know when they're coming, it's difficult for them to go unnoticed and when they come, you have time to either steel yourself or flee.

But Beastmen, beastmen are everywhere. Always watching, always waiting somewhere behind the treeline. And one day, while looking for wood, you disappear, and nobody sees you ever again.

>>47740446
>the majority of the fun in mordheim is pissing yourself with laughter with your friends when something silly happens
They are good moments, but I don't think the game revolves around that.
>building and finding the emergent story of a characterful band of characters
You can do that. Lot of customizing both on characters and in the band.
>tactically devoid mach together all our guys and hit attack a lot simulator
if you like others tactical game you ll love that too, for similar reason.
Also it capture the atmosphere quite right, which is a strong point on its own

>>47724071
In PvP they never retreat, which makes they MUCH easier to use. If you're playing as anyone else, you have to keep track of which units have fled, so that when they stop fleeing you can send them back into the fight so you aren't wasting them. Vamps don't do that, just send the zombies and watch them die.

In the single-player campaign, Raise Dead lets them replace losses faster than anyone, and their vampiric corruption makes the AI completely incapable of invading them because the AI is so damn incompetent.

In both PvP and single player, their spells are really The Best. Every magic discipline has some spell that targets a single commander for massive damage, but the Vamps don't even need LoS to do theirs. This means enemy commanders die fucking quickly.

>>47740501
There is a massive difference between converting and painting a model while thinking of his name and story and going through 2 hat options and a handful of colors on a menu.

And the game really does revolve on that. The actual game play of mordheim is pretty bland without the campaign rules and emergent story which don't really occur in the video game because you're fighting the ai with a different war band every time, not getting to really hate that prick vampire of your friend's after a handful of battles and lost eyes.

The story missions manage to be a little better, if only because the scripted events manage to breath some life into the game, but the huge majority it just a game that loses a lot the depth of the board game since evey model now gets essentially 4 wounds, so the risk/reward, high stakes moments are lost, but they wouldn't translate to video well at all anyway, because the fun in them isn't the frustration of losing a guy in a single player rpg to rng, it's that staring at your opponent across the table as your get ready to throw that critical die and the shared tension and knowledge that "OH SHIT DUDE IF THIS IS A 6, OH SHIT"

Mordheim makes the game part slightly worse and loses all the social and modelling aspect, it would have had to have embraced the fact that it's a different medium to have succeeded, but it just sort of pretend it wasn't, and I think it's really poor because of that.

>>47740064
I never played the game or collected models so i didnt really mind the coming of AoS. I was actually really excited, and eagerly await the new additions. It isn't perfect, but it's only been a year and the quality of fluff has been improving. My main issue with it is the focus on Archaon, whose story should have ended during the endtimes.
Love the concept of the stormcast eternals, though I wish they followed the Blanche concept art more closely. Fyreslayers are a great concept too, and since I don't give a shit about models I don't have any problems with them.

The Warhammer world may be destroyed, but the setting didn't go anywhere. The existence of all the rulebooks, TW:Warhammer, the novels and our own imaginations will forever perpetuate the setting. The only thing that really changed is that GW won't support the TT game side of it, which I don't really care.

>>47740064
I don't hate AoS, I hate that GW killed the old world and I prefer whfb to it; I hate some of the directions with art (cheap and illustrative rather than evocative bar a few exceptions), models (lots of copypasting, little customization, style of armors so far) and fluff (too high magic and gods centered with the lower magic and POVs removed, falling into nebulosity and repetitiveness for the sake of the setting being expanded with a linear story) while I like others (characterization of subfactions as independent from the main army, freedom to explore new concepts and relations, focus on the model rather than the unit)

This without considering rules.
I would have preferred a better blending of the two worlds.

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Is this guy the sickest character in WHFB?

The idea of his man have mirror shields to watch himself being fabulous is among the best things that I ever read.

>>47737256
Are you talking 8th edition? I always thought skaven were cheesy as fuck in 8th, some of which was due to having an older army book wich wasn't balanced around 8th (tons of strong magic items instead of just 8 or so; really low casting values on the skaven magic lores and so on and so forth). Warp lighning cannons, hell pit abominations and 100 rat units of skaven slaves can be pretty ridiculous,

Never played against or with lizards.

>>47739099
No, but there is a story event early talking about a crazed worshipper who wants to spread knowledge of Nagash for a price and you can either take the offer or execute him. Bonus is you can spread corruption faster.

If you take the offer your public order starts randomly going crazy way later in the game as rebellions start from people saying he's coming back.

>>47742600
I wonder if he drinks his own protein shake.

So, is radious any good lorewise?

>>47742510
>TT game side of it, which I don't really care.

what does this mean

>>47743190
They aren't supporting the table top aspect of the game anymore, so no new official models or rules. Which aren't a big deal if you don't actually play.

>>47742600
Sigvald is hilarious, I wish they had more lore on him. He's a spoiled prince that does whatever he wants, for the prettiest of reasons. High elves have more fabulous hair than him? Sail to ulthuan with no plan other than scalp every elf he comes across. Had a bad wine from a bretonnian town? Raze that whole town to the ground and out everyone to the torch.

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>>47720561
just do whatever you enjoy doing

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>>47720632
now were talkin

>>47742600
>play the new WH total war
>get to this guys quests
>his pre battle speeches are 4x longer than anyone else
>mostly him just talking about how awesome he is
sigvald is 10/10

>>47739559
>>47739581
I thought it wasn't till Nagash's ritual that the World's Edge got sundered?

>>47743826

yeah too bad that Chaos campaign is shit

>>47724071
In the hands of the AI they are terrible, I could routinely wipe the floor with Mannfred's army with just a generic lord.

By the way, do skeletons have any bonuses against ranged fire other than the fact they all have shields?

>>47743978
I enjoyed it. took me like 350 turns to beat it. The only thing that really triggered me was the attrition from having your armies too close, and the terrible replenishment rate when you were in a raiding camp.

>>47724071
I found every race to be pretty balanced. in PVP theres always gonna be a buncha try hard fags that abuse game mechanics to win, so I don't know whats top tier yet, but every army has something to contend with every army at a basic level.

>>47740355
I really really like it, It can fuck you pretty bad but proper planning makes it fairly safe.

>>47744022
Yes, shields are good for your body.

>>47742600
9/10, the armoured chaps are what loose him a point.

>>47743899
Nah, the lizards dun goofed the dwarven empire and destroyed entire mountain ranges with a spell.

>>47744117
Steamtanks are utter horseshit, one or two can hold up an entire army.

I want to get into the RPG. But there's like six different core books costing loadsamone. Which ones should I actually buy? I like having hardcover to actually read.

>>47743899
All Dwarf Holds were connected underground via highway. Impenetrable.

Slann caused an earthquake because according to the Old Ones, their planned mountains for the Dwarfs weren't finished. It collapsed the highway, letting in Skaven and Night Goblins to have access to every Hold and seperating them from each other, not only dividing the Dwarf race physically but the distance made every Hold so independent they'd war against each other.

War of the Beard sealed the Dwarf race fate when both High Elves and Dwatfs threw 80% of their armies and all their best of everything into a stupid war against each other because of a bottom-tier douche-elf and Caledor II.

So the Dwarfs accomplished on their own what the Old Ones forgot to do for them, then the Slann saw it was unchecked on the Old One To Do list and fucked it all up.

>>47745028
Do not play 3e.

Play 2e, just download the books from OP. 3e is inferior, this is not edition wars because 3e has no supporters.

>>47740446
>>47740355
the problem with Mordheim: City of the Damned are invisible modifiers that make the game seem unfair even if it's not.
Like they show you an 80% chance to hit but there's an extra layer of melee/ ranged defense(i forgot the exact terms) that actually make it more like 25% chance to hit.
Obviously after you miss five 80% chance to hit in a row you're gonna get pretty pissed of and call it unfair.
What boggles my mind is why the f*ck they don't just show the actual chance to succeed? It would solve all of their problems

>>47720266
I went to go buy some of this, but all they have in stores now is somethign called Age of Sigmar. What the hell happened?

>>47745244
Warhammer fantasy didn't have enough marines

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>>47745244
Old Fantasy setting got blown up and "A BRIGHT NEW AGE OF HEROES" started.

It's fucking gay.

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>>47745244
Michael Bay reboot of Warhammer.

>>47745258
I want to believe you're just fucking with me, but a quick google search confirms you are not.

>>47745157
Ahh crap. I like hard copies.

>>47745342
Different guy here.
Ebay the old 2nd edition or 1st edition rulebook for cheaper.

3rd is shit and not a single person will argue that.
It's what killed WHFRP as a brand.

>>47742600
my favourite part is when Throgg bashes his fucking head in.

>>47745141
War of the Beard happened before the Correcting of the mountains but quite some time after the Sundering of Ulthuan.

Nagash came way after that.

>>47745521
The mountains got sundered mere decades after the war of vengeance, the dwarfs barely got the chance to replenish their numbers and resources before getting swamped on all sides by enemies they had previously considered pests

>>47745244
>this late into the year and people still reply to this shitpost

>>47737937
>someone is making superior fantasy models than GW
For the love of God, who?

Christ. Some people are saying Chaos is underpowered in Total War. Chosen Warriors RIP through my army, and dont get fricken started on the bloody Dragon Ogres, dear god, there OP as all hell!

>>47745244
They literally destroyed the game right before the release of their biggest opportunity to pull in new players in 20 years.

How is homosexuality trated in the old world?

Talking about Empire/ other human nations.
I don't think it is ever treated in any rulebook both for tabletop or RPG.

Is it a crime against sigmar, or is it generally accepted, even if maybe frowned upon?

>>47747209
I don't know about the Empire, but it's practically a national pastime in Bretonnia

>>47747209
I don't think it's ever been addressed. So it's probably however you want it to be.

>>47746793
Lots of companies.

Look up Unsupported Age.

>>47747209
When Demons, and other horrors are trying to kill you daily, I dont think people care which gender you like. Your going to die anytime, might as well let people be happy!

If I recall, there's been some implied gay characters in 40k but not fantasy, right?

>>47747209
Never dealt with.

So look to real life Germany/Europe in that time. Which is a shameful thing an eighth the population and half the soldiery/nobility do.

It helps to remember that unlike all the Abrahamic faiths and half of the others in our world, almost no religion has a thing against sex in Warhammer other than the extremes being Slaaneshi.

>>47747429
Teclis had twincest with a pair of human twins.

That count?

>>47747377
>unsupported age
>literally a cobbled together list of minis from 30 companies all with their own unique (and generally shit) art style

Jesus Christ you'd think a company would be on this shit like Pizo was for D&D 4e.

>>47747953
>Jesus Christ you'd think a company would be on this shit
Why do you think AoS happened?
That's pretty much the only reason for the retarded trademarkable names and different design choices.
The suit GW filed against Chapterhouse is probably responsible for a lot of retarded decisions they made in recent history.

>>47747995
>Why do you think AoS happened?
Dipshit executive thought it would be great to kill a 30 y/o franchise in order to unify brand identity (we marines now!) and to get normalfags in stores. What they didn't get is that Warhammer fans would hate it and that normies don't want to spend hours assembling and painting minis.

>>47747209
>How is homosexuality trated in the old world?

There is little or no information about this. All I recall is a woodsman threatening to rape Felix Jaeger once - and he certainly meant it - and none of his friends considered it unusual.

Probably, like in the real world, it was viewed with bemusement, and scorn if you were a male assuming the female role. Female homosexuality is probably mostly ignored.

Fuck 2nd edition books are expensive.

>>47747209
For the empire and bretonnia it's probably the same as most real world cultures that don't have any rules specifically against. Shameful to take it since that puts you in the woman's position, manly to be the aggressor since that's the ultimate form of domination. Rape of captured enemy soldiers has probably happened many times as a form of humiliation, just as many real world armies did. But that's not something you really need to focus on when it's all about war. Just as they don't really mention bathroom habits (Knights shit and piss in their armor and deal with it later) or anything else unimportant to the game.

Beastmen and most chaos tribes probably make no distinction, and use it as a terror tactic. Especially if they're slaaneshi.

>>47749061
Put on your eyepatch kid.

>>47746793
Avatars of war
Gamezone
Scibor
Mom Minatures
http://pastebin.com/CvGaNyrk

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>>47745244
>tfw little bro was into warhammer 40k and got Age of Sigmar
>tfw thought all warhammer shit was gay as fuck and hated it
>tfw googled Age of Sigmar because i was bored and needed to buy lil bro a birthday gift
>tfw kept seeing Trump Emperor of Man memes everywhere and was curious wtf it was
>tfw somehow ended up upon Arch Warhammers gay ass lore videos
>tfw left his videos on and heard him describing how the Imperium of Man did planetary assaults
>tfw got into the warhammer fantasy lore on accident
>tfw pumped up and thought it was the tightest shit
>tfw was actually consider getting into warhammer
>tfw come to the realization that Age of Sigmar killed warhammer and Grey Knights killed 40k
>tfw i never got to enjoy the glory years of Horus Heresy

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Anyone else here just love trading, buying, selling, and collecting the miniatures?

Bartertown is my jam senpai.

>>47750576
>glory years of Horus Heresy

What are you talking about? HH is at it's peak right now and staying strong. 40k is shit though.

>>47750576
If you're actually interested in playing WHFB just stick to 8th ed. or look at 9th Age. I play both, WHFB for times when I want ridiculous shit to happen and 9th Age when I want a balanced game with my friends.

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>>47750800
>just stick to 8th ed
>even though 3ed and 6th exist

>>47750886
Sure, Whatever. Play whatever floats your boat. I'm not an edition fag, I just play whatever the latest version is.

>>47750906
the reason you play the latest edition is because it's supported
Now that all the editions are "complete" and equally unsupported it make sense to use the best ones, which I think most would agree are 3ed or 6th, maybe 7th.

8th really is lacking in a lot of ways.

While we're talking about editions how does that effect army books? If a chaos player plays a 6th edition game would they use Hordes of Chaos and Beasts of Chaos?

>>47749673
>(Knights shit and piss in their armor and deal with it later)

Except Malekith, who has a removable codpiece specifically for this and his...duties...to his dear mother.

>>47751053
>fucking your mother with your charred penis

You won't read that in AoS.

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So, I lucked out and managed to nab an Archaon horse model

I don't like the character, but his pose, armor, and horse are pretty awesome.

>>47751121
A classy model from a classier time.

>>47751121
>>47751139
Also managed to grab a Tomb Kings Battalion Box and those snake-rider guys as far as other discontinued items go.

Those I may just re-sell.

Got a beastman battalion box I may try out.

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>>47751121
>Summer of Chaos was 12 years ago.

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>>47720266
You know what I don't understand. Your typical Gor (and Orc) is toughness 4 compared to a toughness 3 human which gives the image of something with a large paunch that prevent them from being cut deep and thick flesh covering their muscles but the models of Gors (and orcs) instead have the bodies of a women's fantasy with butter faces rather than what was just described. Which befits someone that is strength 4 instead of toughness 4.

>>47751244
Toughness isn't just not being able to be wounded, but also ignoring pain that would kill lesser beings. Gors have to fight to survive on a daily basis so I imagine their tolerance for pain is very high, in addition to being jacked.

>>47751244
>>47751265
Also their skin is just of a tougher quality.

>>47750943
What about 8th with 6th army books?

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>>47751244
Someone that's absolutely shredded is still tougher and bigger than a fatty with a "paunch".
Plus have you ever punched a goat?
They ignore pain because they're basically retarded.

>>47750658
Just traded
-35 bestigors
-3 giants
-96 gors
-70 ungors
-4 pestigors
-Gorthor
-Morghur
-3 beast lords
-CSM Lord with beastman head
-60 normal zombies
-40 ghouls

for

1 Doombell NOS
1 Doom Wheel NOS
30 Plague Monks mix of the current Plastics and the old metals
10 Plague Censor Bearers metal
1 OOP metal Verminlords Unbuilt
1 OOP metal Abomination Unbuilt
5 Metal Globadiers unbuilt
3 Fincast Jezzails NOS
30 Night Runners mix of built and NOS
a bunch of giant rats
a couple of old metal characters
100 rats with hand weapon and shield built
60 rats with spears and shields built
30 stormvermin with halberds built
1 Abomination built
1 Doombell built
2 Plague Catapults built
1 Doom wheel built
6 Rat Ogres

>>47750943
Best edition is 6th Ravening Hordes.

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>>47751343
What do y'all think of me using the skaven as proxies to go along side my state troops for my empire army?

The fluff being that because skaven technically don't exist and most people never leave their home cities/towns that nobody can tell they aren't hairy halflings.

RIP in peace Tomb kings. You are truly underground now.

>>47748044
This.

The first lesson of any continuation is not to piss of fans, they will directly counteract PR.

Burthutt is strong.

>>47751084
She did fuck Tyrion.

Reminder that Tyrion's ancestor was her husband's son by another woman.

>>47751623
Rest nothing, I'm finally finishing my army for T9A at my FLGS.

Years of having five half finished armies...

>>47747209
I suppose a Witch Hunter could accuse gay people of worshipping Slaanesh. But I have never read of a case.

>>47752073
That implies he isn't accusing everyone regardless of orientation of it.

>>47743176
No

Is it true that Dwarf Holds suck at everything in the 9th age because their shooting got nerfed and they got no compensation? Or is their infantry/combat phase actually good?

>>47752659
I haven't seen or heard anything about them being worse.
So far every review has been that all races got better.

Did the 1d4chan guys do their changes yet?

>>47751598
I cant decide if i find this hilarious retarded or retarded retarded.

>>47751332
That's the exact opposite of a good idea. The main problems for 8th were not army balance, in fact it was quite decent on balance, it was the inherent issues in the brb that made the game worse. Things like the favoring of stupid large bricks of guys, removing range guessing on canons and the magic in general were all pretty big marks against it. 7th has the best army books if you cut out daemons in my opinion.

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Recommend a book? I've read all the Times of Legends, Blackhearts, some of Empire Army and the Blood on the Reik series.

Hardmode: No Gotrek & Felix

>>47753229
Go-
o-oh.
Th-Thanquol?

>>47753229
"Warrior Priest" in the Empire omnibus was pretty good.

>>47753289
I got bored after Iron Company, but maybe I should pick up Warrior Priest again. Part of the reason why I liked the Time of Legends so much was that they were in three part series and I could get attached to characters and plotlines. Plus they were in excess of a 700 pages each, which to me is a good thing since I read on the bus and during down time at work. The more, the better.

Except the Sundering. What a half-load of garbage.

>>47753229
The Black Plague Trilogy?

>>47753479
>>I've read all the Times of Legends
So I've read it. Great series, left me laughing at the end. Plus it had perfect Skaven dialogue, plotting,, everything. It was everyone and no one's fault that the Plague backfired.

>>47720266

Anyone have a link to the WHFRP 3rd Edition rulebook?

I never sold or bought a single mini online, but I plan to sell my whole armies (except some beloved minis) pretty soon. Painted and asembled minis should cheaper or more expensive? What about asembled but not painted? Painted but partially not asembled And mixed units with some miniatures painted but others not?

Should I sell my oldest minis more expensive because they're more rare or cheaper because they look like shit?

>>47755106
y

>>47755180
genuinely pro painted > usassembled > okay painted > built > shit painted

>>47755197

I see my mistake. Would some, in return for the deep gratitude of a total stranger on a Chinese cartoon forum, post a link to the WHFRP 3rd Edition rulebook?

>>47755307
The rulebooks are in the links of the op, iIrc

>>47720984
>Pinterest
>good

How?

>>47755307
Pretty sure he was saying "why" not as in "why should I" but "why in the fuck would you ever ever want that, what the fuck"

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>>47751121
>posting the old and busted
>not the new hotness

>>47755673
>How?
lack of alternatives, really

>>47751205

Jesus I'm old

>>47755742
I still can't believe that garbage is a GW model.

>>47753113
7th has the best system in my opinion, but even if you take out DoC you've still got Vampires and DE rampaging over anyone and everyone. 6th edition books are better balanced, plus everyone has one. Best edition is 7th with 6th army books.

Was a Warmaster scale Verminlord never produced? I'm building a 10mm force, mostly from proxy models, but proxy ranges are really bad for anything other than basic infantry.

>>47755498

Links to the rulebook in the OP do not work.

>>47755690
I'm homebrewing something and want to see how WHFRP chose to do it.

>>47752659
Just take a look at the list. Everyones shooting got nerfed but dwarf's is still really powerfull. Dwarfs are also a much more competent close combat army. Triple march goes a long way.

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>>47755742

New thread:

>>47759427

>>47759427

>>47759427

>>47753229
Vampire Genevieve?

>>47739220
nipple alert

>>47760627
You americans have a weird relationship with sex, specially with nipples and penis.

>>47753229
Vampire War trilogy, Matthias Thulmann, Brunner the Bouny Hunter. Malus Darkblade if you want what is basically Elric without the angst.