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I've got a bunch of Tau I don't want to paint white
Do I do Cave fighting, Night fighting, or Forest fighting color schemes?
Trips gets the final say. The army will have at least one riptide.

>>47638515
Cave Fighting, because Riptides and Jetpacks are great for small, enclosed spaces right?

>>47638515
Arctic fighting

>>47638538
Big caves.

Would making the entire Death Korps army fearless make them compeditive.

>>47638582
For you

>>47634052 Back after looking into Ravenwing and Deathwing.
Have to say it is exactly what I wanted. Already grabbed the codex for the OP.
I think my first 1000 will just be bikes and land speeders.

Would two battle forces be a good start?

I bought the DV rules, are the DVs worth it?

What's a good ha to start with.

My friends play AdMech, Tau, KDK, IG and Orks

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Omegon and Sigmar are the 2nd and 11th primarchs
Space Wolves shatter the legions.
Ultramarines take in the remnants.
Alpha Legion absorbs the primarchs.
Discuss.

>>47638995
Nonsense.

II and XI are someplace else.

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derp

>>47638515

Ultraviolet Fighting.

>>47639090
Ultraviolent fighting?

>>47639109

Under the light of a BIG Star!

where's that sisters of battle update lads?

>>47639115

A and F type stars. O and B have lives too short for a star cluster.

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>>47639163

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>>47639198
pls give generously.

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I got the Death from the Skies book today. It's legit good, and I like the formation stuff it has. Most of all though is the fighter ace section. I already have an internal narrative going on with my models, but this gives me an excuse to name/customize my pilots.

>>47639115

But not too big.

>>47639282
Kill yourself.

>>47638515
>Trips gets the final say

This is /40kg/ you retard.

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>>47638515
If trips you do Battle Sisters like a champ

>>47638587
Nah. Artillery lists get owned by weight of dice or mobility. Leadership isnt a huge problem.

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>>47639338
Damn. 5 off trips. Exactly where GW has left sisters.

>>47638995
Why would two separate Legions have a twin as the Primarch.

>>47639354
it's just a test of faith

>>47639338
Rolling again

>>47639338
ROLLING FOR SISTERS

A xenos inquisitor and her crazy nuns found the Tau Empire calendar and couldn't resist Farsight's sweet blue abs.

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>>47639115

Do A type stars live long enough (around 1 Billion years) for life to develop? Maybe enough for terraforming. However, the star must have come from outside the Star Cluster, captured, since stars in a clusters are usually of the same age (they form at the same time). 20 times more luminosity than our sun.

>>47638515
>trips

This is going to take a while. Why not just say dubs?

>>47639462
the only abs they care about are oiled by custodes

>>47639490
>this is how kitten met Shadowsun

>>47638515
Rolling for Evangelion theme, because Tau.

>>47638515
Fuck it, caves sound dope.

>>47639374
They aren't twins then, silly.

How does extremis level threat work with ICs?
If I select an ic, does preferred enemy still trigger if he's attached to a unit?
And if I select a unit that starts the game with an IC in it does pref enemy persist if the rest of the squad is wiped?

>>47638515
Paint them bright pink.

>>47639531
>>47639338
https://youtu.be/lIt-b0jAr88?t=27s

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>>47639555
OH SHIT.

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>>47639338
>>47639441
>>47639560
My faith is significantly wavering after such close luck and then >>47639555

>>47639555
that would actually look good, bright pink is an overlooked colour.

>>47639555

A manly color.

>>47639555
Praise be to the Emperor this day.

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>>47639555

Yes...!

Pink caves and forests at night.

>>47639599
Sisters do need an update though. So I hope you guys get that much.

>>47639667
>667

Satan foiled again.

>>47639079
Why is he so fucking cool?

I wish inquisitors could have a little more cannon with their glass. If they could kill shit reliably and had a decent invuln save in their warger they'd be golden.

star phantoms battle company with a 1st company task force heavy on combi-weapon sternguard y/n

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Will tanks ever be great again?

>>47639954
the new hull point system and damage table with ap is pretty good, i feel tanks are in a good place. just need to get rid of lance weapons.

>>47639664
>Pink caves

I see you Slaanesh.

>>47639986
>new
>pretty good

You're dumb.

>>47640116
its better than it was, but monstrous creatures are still a complete and total cancer upon this game

>>47640116
>New things are automatically bad
God I hate 4chan sometimes.

1250/1250 Astra Militarum
>HQ
Company Command +Vox-caster

>Troops
Platoon Command +Vox-caster
Infantry Squad +Grenade Launcher, Vox-caster
Infantry Squad +Vox-caster
Heavy Weapons & Primaris (ML2, Divination) +3 Lascannons
Heavy Weapons & Primaris (ML2, Divination) +3 Lascannons
50 Conscripts & Ministorum Priest, Primaris (ML2, Divination)
Veterans +3 Plasma Guns, Vox-caster, Grenadiers

>Heavy Support
Leman Russ Battle Tank
Leman Russ Battle Tank

Good idea or bad idea? Riding on hope that a Primaris gets Misfortune and maybe Forewarning for my Conscripts/Combined Infantry Squad. Doing this to mix things up and not play mech guard vs a friend but I have no experience with foot slogging. Just making a general list with no worry of flyers, only fighting a DE friend that likes to exclusively be shooty with Venoms/Raiders.

>>47640116
new to me, I hadn't played warhammer in several years, and I like it a lot, way less losing important shit on turn 1.

>>47640144
>implying those two have anything to do with each other

Yeah, I hate morons like you too.

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>>47639954
Stormsword represent.

Had one of them on a landing pad last game I played with a Psyker constantly giving it prescience. 10" S10 AP1 ignoring cover with rerolls

>>47640144
The hull point change is over 4 years old you dumb faggot.

>>47640159
If you want to take a lot of Psykers, your points are much better spent trying to get a Psykana division formation with 3 commissars.

It's in Mont'Ka/Cadian pdf I believe if you need to find it.

>>47640182
>four years is old
Why are there so many underages here?

>>47640169
Yes, I hate that sort of attitude where new things are incapable of being good, is that too hard for you to believe?

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>>47639163
Should be right about when CSM gets updated.

>>47640209
>>four years is not old
i suppose that you also believe forgeworld is not proper 40k, csm deserve to stay shit for their past sins and tau are still a bad army too?

>>47640313
Oh yeah you mad.

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>>47640358
>called out for saying stupid shit
>lel u mad

>>47640313
>csm deserve to stay shit for their past sins

i wish i had never started that meme

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>>47640313
>csm is shit
>tfw still get utterly destroyed by this 50 year old in my LFGS as IG

>>47639163
Never.

Start praying for female space marines because you're more likely to get them than a new sisters of battle codex or new models.

>>47640377
I'm talking about AV and you start sperging out about Tau and CSM.

Quite simply, you are very, very mad.

Anyone have suggestions as to alternate models for Nurgle Blight Drones?

Last thread someone suggested Plague drones but they are barely 1/3 the size.

I don't mind conversion work thought the idea is to keep build budget below the price of the official FW drones.

How would you reintroduce the Exodite Eldar Knights?

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>>47640590
no idea on size but plague drones are about the size of my hand

>>47639986
>oh look, you rolled slightly higher than my armor value. I'll just take this tank off the table cause its as good as dead anyway.
>no that's cool, your MC can continue to deal damage like it's at full health, forcing me to strip off every wound before it finally dies.

Yeah, nah.

>>47640682
And blight drones torso and head assembly are 3 times that of the plague drones.

>>47640693
my beef was with lances, MC's and GC's are definitely broken pieces of shit.

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>>47640590
Plague drones are not 1/3rd the size

Theyre almost the same profile, depending on how you array the wings

Also why wouldnt you want to use blight drones? Theyre one of the best models FW makes

>>47640202
>Generate Warp charges on 2+
So instead of rolling 4-5 for a good chance at casting a WC2 I could just use 3-4 for the same power with this formation? I guess I'll keep them all close together for the charges, man that'll help a lot with making units TL which is mostly what I want, but my only concern is the cost.

Removed all but 1 Primaris saved at ML1 for formation. Replaced 1 LRBT with a Wyvern, took away Vox-caster from CCS (can't re-roll orders on HWS because no Vox upgrade option), plasma vets on foot became melta vets and no cheap GLs to fill in spare points so I'm at a clean 1,250. Might have missed something.

>>47640734
Honestly, vehicles should just be MCs. Just give them a vehicle usr that makes them vulnerable to armorbane/haywire and call it a day. This Fucking table is retarded. Having your expensive shit only firing snap shots, and thus losing anything with a blast, just because someone rolled slightly higher than your armor value is hot garbage.

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>>47640714
i see, welp guess gotta suck it up and buy official because there isn't anything similar. might be time to make "friends" with some russians or chinese if you're concerned about price

>>47640734
most GC are either terrible or overpriced

>>47640740
that blight drone looks gross and corrosive, nice work

>>47640772
nah I kind of prefer the way you described MC's not suffering for taking wounds. I agree that just having your armour fire snap shots is lame as fuck, but having an MC that lost half its wounds run around like its perfectly fine makes even less sense. maybe they should lose movement speed or something

CSM, Sororitas, Orks, and Tyranids should all be merged into one faction called "Last Chancers"

not sure how the fluff on that would work out though

>>47640740
I hate resin and 41£ per model means the three of them will cost as much as the rest of the army combined

>>47640747
For the Psykana division, they're most effective if you use them for prescience (Primaris Power of Divinity, gives rerolls to hits) or if you have the models: daemonology.

If you combine a rapid fire range lasgun squad with first rank fire, second rank fire and prescience it is absolutely deadly. Especially if that squad has special weapons. That, or nurgling swarms for the super tanky troops that don't cost points. You can technically do both, have all Wyrdvanes on Daemonology and the Primaris on Divinity. Also giving your Russ to-hit rerolls can be pretty good, but its deadly when mixed with a super-heavy if you want to go that route.

If you play higher level games, though, they'll need Chimeras for the safety.

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>>47640740
Huh thats relly wierd, spent all week looking for plague and blight drone comparisons but that one never turned up.

Only side by side I ever found was this one.

>>47638995
The second Primarch was a raised in a hippie commune and the eleventh was a conscientious objector. They were completely unsuited to lead Space Marine legions and were thus left to their own devices. The Emperor won't speak of them to avoid embarrassment.

>>47641008
thats not a blight drone, its the carapace from a carnifex

>>47640961
Thanks for the info, mass lasgun and lascannon fire with Prescience sounds right up my alley. I might know someone that may be into Daemonology too so this formation sounds helpful since I don't think they may not know much about it before.

Not sure how high in points or competitive I'll get, for now I'm doing friendly competition with friends and other people I know. This game will definitely be more interesting since it won't just be a bunch of LR Tanks, Chimeras and Wyverns.

>>47641126
Jokes on me I guess, well then all theres left to do is finfing a way of differentiating them from the plague drones.

I've been waffling about what I should have my second army should be for months. I currently have a force of CSM which I seem to just be perpetually working on and adding to.

>Option 1: Inquisitor + Scions
I love scion models, and they seem like they might be fun on the table, but they also feel like they can get screwed over as a core force really easily.

I love inquisitors in the lore, but they seem less fun in the crunch

>option 2: Junker Tau
General premise is tau with peeling paint, rust, grime, exhausts on their mechs, hooks and chains, drones built from space parts, etc. Not haphazard like Orks, but still has the junkyard aesthetic.

This would be a lot of fun hobby wise, which makes it appealing to me. I barely play the game any more, but I love the hobby aspect and enjoy that a lot.

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>>47641171

>>47641184
Junker Tau Scions
We guevesa now

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Thoughts on my color scheme?

>>47641210
First thought is Angels of Redemption

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>>47641229
Yeah I got that. I did use a darker green but people are still going to think Angels of Redemption?

>>47641210
Refreshing lemon-lime taste, zero calories.

>>47641243
Well there are 7 all red marine chapters so its not too bad.
You could reverse the sides i guess, power up the yellow, or use a bluer or brighter green

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>>47641261
Kek
>>47641268
Thanks for the idea.

>>47639986
"wounds" without a saving throw are terrible

If tanks got some kind of unmodified save against hull-point loss, the new system would be pretty good. The new table does make outright blowing them up with one shot a lot more difficult.

>>47641207
maybe I will make kill teams for both

>>47641294
That looks real neat, you consider maybe going for metallic blue/green and gold?

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>>47641346
I did a thing.

>>47641378
That's a pretty bling theme alright.

>>47641416
Which doesn't fit with the name of the chapter. You can't call yourselves the Children of the Night when you your bling makes you the Children of the Day.

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Is this too many infantry for a viable IG build? I plan on combining all the platoons to use all the orders available from Creed as well as casting prescience on them all with the Psykers.

Point Limit: 2500
Points Used: 2475

[Combined Arms] [1640]

Regimental Specialists [3]

> 3x - Ministorum Priests [25 each]

HQ [1]

Company Command [140]
> 1x - Creed
> 4x - Veterans

Troops [3]

Infantry Platoon x 3 [435 each with 120 pt flak missile attached to one]
> 1x - Heavy Weapons Squad; 3x Lascannons
> 5x - Infantry Squad; 1x Melta Gun
> 1x - Platoon HQ

[Psykana Division] [330]

> 3x - Commissar
> 1x - Primaris Psyker
> 3x - Wyrdvane Psyker; 5 Psykers

[Fortifications]

> 1x - Imperial Bastion; Escape Hatch [100]
> 1x - Imperial Bunker; Quad Gun, Tanglewire, Tank Traps [125]
> 2x - Imperial Defence Line; 3x - Tangle Wire, 3x - Tank Traps [140 each]

I won a competition at my FLGS that was just enough money to buy what I needed for this.

>>47641431
maybe he does it ironically

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>>47641484
I might as well go with Children of the Day now that I think about it. I can't decide which one sounds better though.

>>47641508
Or you could do some dawn/dusk thing to key into their dusl scheme of dark and light

>>47641378
how are you making these out of curiosity? is there a website?

>>47641529
B&c sm builder

>>47641529
>>47641536
Or that Russian chapter designer tool

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>>47641526
Oh I like that idea, Anon. The yellow is the dawn but green isn't associated with dusk though.
>>47641529
>>47641536
Bolter and Chainsword doesn't have it.
>>47641552
That's it.

>>47640822
for what purpose

Uh where are the tables the codex says my Librarian generates powers from? I don't see them in the codex.

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>>47640822
No.

>>47640822
Sounds too much like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibrodysplasia_ossificans_progressiva or vaginal cosmetic surgery.

>>47640822
Orks and Tyranids have somewhat frequent and actually good plastic releases.

CSM and SoBs should be merged into the "complains loudly on the internet" faction.

>>47641613
>ork players
>not complaining loudly on the internet

Have you ever bought a model and later on regret it?

What was it? and how long ago?

>>47641639
Nightbringer, back when necrons first came out.

>>47641639
Grey Knight Purifier Squad.

They're sitting on my desk, assembled and painted and they will never see play.

Bought them two months ago.

>>47641639
a broadside off ebay

i bought 3 of them in total because they were 1/3 the price and they are the old models instead of the new one where the suit holds the railgun like a rifle, which is retarded

2 of them were fine, the 3rd one had its guns glued on upside down, then they cut the hyphen thing off it and filled in the slots on the suit, so not only is the glue job terrible and they fall off, its impossible for me to correct without ordering some magnets and a drill

>>47641639
land speeder typhoon

I think it was in 2001? Before they made the kit not garbage. I don't even know how people kept those hateful little boxes together before the change.

>>47641639
Flash git and FW cadian plasma guns.

The gitz have just been sitting there unloved and only half made and the FW stuff was horribly made with holes everywhere and angles/shapes that made it really hard to fully clean up.

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What's the tower of joy of 40K?

>>47639555
This guy won the internet for the night.

>>47641579
Main rulebook

are there any tau audio books?

the only one i can find is the kauryon

>>47641639

Two drop pods from years ago. Still sealed. I want to try to get some money back from them.

>>47640209

The point was that the hull point change is neither new nor good, not that it wasn't good because it's new.

Your reading comprehension is at negative values.

>>47641899
ebay is your freind

>>47641883
The Damocles anthology has an audiobook version.

>>47641917

And sloth is my enemy.

The Tallyband makes the Locus of their herald 12"i stead of 6" does that also apply to Epidemius unique Tally of Nurgle?

>>47641434
Never too much infantry. Looks good to me.

How are Vulture Gunships? I'm fairly new to playing and was thinking of putting 2 in my 1850 armoured battlegroup army.
>>47639954
>Tank month
For a moment, I thought there might be a sale on tanks. Then I realized that I was thinking that GW might have a sale. Feels bad.

>>47641899
How much you want for them? Where are you located? I like drop pods haha

Is this a good idea or would this get ruined instantly

Ethereal council, 2x ethereals plus aun'va and his body guard, all on top of a drone platform

24 inch bubble where everything tau inside it gets stubborn, rapid fire, FNP and can fire snap shots after running in the shooting phase, plus a map wide reroll on failed leadership tests, the drone port is 4 points to allow me to get that bubble to the middle of the map and allows them to buff my outflankers, breachers and pathfinders

would this be legit or is it too large of an investment for essentially having a big "attack me with blast weapons to win" center piece of my army?

>>47642142
it's fluffy, but only really going to be relevant if you run a shit ton of infantry instead of the usual tau affair

>>47642169
it would be in a 1000 point game, infantry wise i have 20 rifle fw, 10 carbine fw, 10 breachers and a pathfinder team

Although with the amount of stuff i get from the massive aura i could just flood the board with the bravest kroot + vespids that just go balls to the wall as a carnivore crusade

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>>47641639
Yes.

When it came out i was just looking to begin. I thought that was a kit available for limited time, and that those minis would be cool to have as a starting point.

Reality is that everyone have them, they all have garbage rules, and they stand out in my army like they belong to a different game.

What a waste of money.

>>47642209
I bought that thinking I might be able to get friends into 40k. A waste of 160 Dollarydoos.

>>47642247
>$160 getting a friend into a game

if you are going to get someone into the game would it not be better to get a game box that comes with the rules and shit?

spending $160 to try and get someone into it is wasted even if he does like it in the end

>>47642274
Dark Vengeance comes with the rules, templates and everything. Alongside a 50$ voucher, I made a bad decision.

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Event Exclusive mini for the Warhammer World.

Freaking gorgeous.

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>>47642318
Daemon makes me think of the pose in this pic for some reason.

>>47642247
I bought it and got two people into the game along with myself, one is keeping the Dork Angles and building on them and the other is going Necrons.

£65 didn't seem like a bad deal at all, especially with a free paint kit.

With the battle brothers promotions going on, are GW making sure you cant abuse it?

whats stopping me from paying a freind to be introduced to the game and buy a box i want, then giving me both the coupons?

>>47642379
The fact that your friend secretly hates you, and is going to keep both the coupons for himself.

>>47642356
>£65
Fuck me, I hate being reminded how much GW jacks up the prices for Australians. That's a 25-30% increase after currency conversion.
>>47642379
They still got a box out of you regardless, plus one more person knows you do 40K.

>>47642395
shit i've been swindled

>>47642401
> I hate being reminded how much GW jacks up the prices for Australians. That's a 25-30% increase after currency conversion.

its not not GW doing it, australia tariffs and taxes are very high

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>>47642401
>That's a 25-30% increase after currency conversion

damn

>>47642379
For me gas money alone eats up both. Vouchers

>>47642528
Because Austrians have monopolised logistics companies - so they screw you on imports

>>47639534
>If I select an ic, does preferred enemy still trigger if he's attached to a unit?
No.
>And if I select a unit that starts the game with an IC in it does pref enemy persist if the rest of the squad is wiped?
Only if the "unit" selected was the IC, and the rest of the unit was made up of other IC's attached to him. Which is unlikely.

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>>47642318
>Event Exclusive

Posted much earlier in the thread >>47638828 / >>47634052 → , so bumping it.

The fluff on the Dark Angels is pretty cool too. I think I like them more than the BA and GK for sure.

>I bought the DV rules, are the DVs bikes worth it?*

>What's a good hq to start with.*

>>47642445
>>47642579
Maybe 10 or 15 years ago, but a lot of our tariffs are really low now especially after a few mining booms. For years GW has actually straight out tried to stop independent selling of their products to Australia. Sure, it's going to be slightly more expensive due to shipping costs and extra fees but what's offered is insane. Sometimes Forgeworld is cheaper.

Luckily, my local GW manager is one of the nicest guys I've ever met (even if it's his job) and finds loopholes all the time to try and give his customers cheaper stuff.

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>>47642318
>That Axe
FUCKING FINECAST

Which Legion Contemptors, loyalist or heretic, are good for making a simple conversion to a cool looking non-legion specific dread?

>>47642847

Death Guard. Scrape the XIV off, don't paint it grubby.

Is the Daemonic Incursion's Warp Storm modifier and "Sticky objectives" worth tying yourself to oversized formations and loosing FW access?

>>47642831
>sometimes forgeworld is cheaper
Everyone forgets that you pay in British pounds, not Australian dollars. Which means the price is doubled with 15-25% for shipping

1d4chan says that death korps infantry is cheaper than cadian infantry, but you actually pay upwards of $100 per squad

>>47643033
Until recently GW employees got free shipping for Forgeworld which brought the price down slightly, now it's a bit more hyperbole but certain upgrade kits are cheaper. I bought plasma and melta upgrades for Cadians cheaper than the GW model.

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What is the /tg/ general opinion on this book?

Is there any reason I'm missing for vets to take Shotguns over lasguns? They have the same strength except lasguns have double the range and rapid fire to negate the shotguns assault 2

1250 pt army idea for >>47642142

Formation
Ethereal Council, Aun'va + 2 Ethereals with armor and honor blades (220pts)

CAD
Darkstrider (100pts)

4x stealth suits, 1x shas ui with fusion, ML and TL (170pts)

20x rifle fire warriors (180 pts)

2x Remora drones (180 pts)
6x pathfinders 3x ion pathfinders, shas ui, 2x gun drones, pulse accel drone, grav inhib drone (205 pts)

2x railsides with SMS, one has TL (135pts)

Droneport (60pts)

total: 1250 pts

Darkstrider infltrates with the pathfinders to make it very hard to get assaulted plus the -1T for the snipers and 24" carbines

Council sits on the droneport (maybe with the broadsides, i doubt they will fit though) and buffs the everliving shit out of everything, after the bodyguards are dead, aun'va is the ablative wound because hes a fucking madman

depending on who im against, the 2x10 man rifle squads use running + snap shots to push to the mid or set up a firing line within 6" of the droneport incase of deep strikes

remoras are there for cheap skyfire and seeker missile delivery, once they have accomplished that they will hover in a building to have permanent 2+ cover save

broadsides are expendible anti-tank who will be using the markerlights from the pathfinders and remoras if needed, i dont have a riptide so these are used instead

Stealthsuits are there to provide more dakka, i think for this setup they are better than the crisis team alternative, but it would be easy to swap them out

thoughts?

>>47643135
Literally only for assaulting the same turn as shooting which means specifically with meltaguns and demolitions doctrine against specifically vehicles/shitty MCs, against both of which the shotgun will do fuck all anyway.

Is playing 30k forces against 40k inherently unbalanced towards one side? Or is it dependent on the particular forces?

>>47643263
yes

>>47643263
fluff wise it would be imbalanced in 30k's favour as thier standard armor is artificer/relic grade or higher

>>47643263
It's generally agreed 30k is less powerful until you reach the 2000-2500 mark and then it is better.

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>>47642841
>Finecast

Do you even know what you're talking about?

>it just werks

Oh it's a /v/ crossboarder.

>>47643275
Eh? Sergeants can mostly get artificer armour, true, but most of the rest of the armies are in standard 3+ save power armour. Some forces can spam terminators, but some forces can do that in 40k now and they get annihilated by AP2 shooting.

>>47643501
>fluff wise

you seem to think that crunch is fluff

>>47643521
They're still not in fucking relic armour. The vast majority of legionnaires are in mass-produced power armour, because they had to mass-produce it for the crusades.

>>47643275
I thought, fluffwise, during 30K the legions focused more on quantity than quality (for Space Marines), and it was the Codex limitations that shifted to more quality over quantity.

>Bikes
Played Dark Angels for the first time a couple days ago.
Can someone explain the Bike movement/turning rule better?

According to the book, I can either:
>move up to 12" in a STRAIGHT LINE
>forfeit my entire standard movement for turning in one place

Is this really how the rules work? Can someone explain with a page number to cite?

I appreciate it, y'all.

>>47643277
Even at the upper point levels 40k Eldar and Space Marines are superior thanks to Grav/Psychics and the D just shredding the big deathstars that 30k uses at those point levels.

>>47643694
looking at the bikes section right now, theres nothing that says its either/or, you pivot and then you move 12"

>>47643568
30k legionnaires have superior gene-seed thanks to less time for degradation. They also have more and better "relic" type stuff. 40k astartes have superior line equipment thanks to refinements and advances over the millennia, but they've lost a lot of the crazy relic shit.

Whether or not 40k astartes have a superior lack of fear is kind of all over the place. Some novels claim 30k legionnaires already have no fear, other sources implicitly and explicitly state that they do.

So just a quick question regarding the emperors fist armoured company formation.

The tank commander/pask can take any leman russ variant as his tank, right? It doesn't have to be a regular russ like battlescribe says? Because the codex says any leman russ.

>>47644190
Any Leman Russ. Click on the tank commander thing that contains the actual tank commander unit and you'll see an option to choose what tank the commander is in.

>>47639625

In Victorian England, blue was for girls and pink was for boys (both could wear either though). It was a virulent, passionate, manly color but not as bold as red (which was usually for men's shit). This really only started to change in the 20th century.

Pink would actually look good on some armies, probably including Tau lel

>>47643717
It's true, but
>eldar
>balanced vs anything

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>>47638515
This.

>>47643568
>>47643753
Legionnaires had DAoT gear. Blood Angels have fucking Lightsabers as one of their relics.

But at the time, shit was focused on effectiveness, rather than reliability because when you have a galaxy spanning crusade, you can afford to have weapons jam. Can't now.

>>47644273
>t. QI

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>>47643694
Me again

We're still learning the ins and outs of 40k and encountered a rather dumb question that needs answering.

His Centurions technically have Line of Sight on one of my model's pauldrons. Therefore, his unit of Centurions are allowed to target and shoot at my hiding unit.

But can they allocate Wounds to the other NINE fucking models that they cannot see?

Can anybody cite the page number in the rulebook for this? We spent a good 10 minutes combing through our books and could find no fruitful resolution.

Pic related.
>top is Centurions' vantage point and red circle is targetable model
>bottom is the whole unit

>>47642142
>Ethereal Council

Anything with it is a bad idea.

>>47644382
No.

>>47644403
it would never ever be viable to actually win a game, but would it be a viable idea for fun?

>>47644403
>>47644433
>Line up Demolisher Cannon
>Fire
>Watch them all die
>Aun'va survives due to his OP defence thing
>Wreck him in combat with Conscript swarm

>>47644382
Page 35. Top right column. "Out of Sight." The idea of two grown men failing to find that after ten minutes of searching is pathetic. Maybe you can your friend should find an easier hobby, like eating glue or licking doorknobs.

>>47644433
Well, if your meta doesn't use many blasts/templates, it could be. But it requires a LOT of infantry, as other wise anons pointed out.

Gonna be sorting out a new army after I finish up with my dark eldar

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>>47644382
Assuming that squad came out of the Rhino, how does it have a Plasma Cannon? You can only take a heavy weapon with a full size squad, and that squad has a Librarian.

>>47643119
no idea this existed

>>47643020
if you got the models sure, otherwise you're not missing much. the formations are damn good, but you can also go min/max if need be. i still need to get a load of nurglings to try the tallyman and slaanesh seeker formation

>>47641987
no, epidemius had his time to shine in the sun when he was OP. the loci would be 12" but his special rule would still be 6"

>>47644489
Combat squads

>>47644489
Dark Angels Tactical Squad
>If the squad is less than ten models, one Space Marine may take one item from either Special Weapons or Heavy Weapons list.

Also the Librarian is a counts as Company Master.

>>47644451
Jesus fucking Christ.
I (and I presume he as well) have never messed up this bad as far as rules goes.

>>47644624
Combat squads have to go into two five man squads. That's a nine man squad with a Librarian.

>>47644674
>If the squad is less than ten models, one Space Marine may take one item from either Special Weapons or Heavy Weapons list.
Interesting.

Still, I'm not sure why would you take a Plasma Cannon in that squad. Cannon has to stay immobile, but a Company Master wants to move forward to get to the chopping.

>Also the Librarian is a counts as Company Master.
For a Lion's Blade? Otherwise the Librarian is pretty much always better.

>>47644190
Yes but you should ALWAYS choose the dakka one.

--- Tzeentch Daemons - 2000pts ---
-- Warpflame Host --
>HQ
Herald of Tzeentch: Disk, ML3, Paradox - 145
Herald of Tzeentch: Disk, ML2, GoTN - 125
3x Exalted Flamers - 150

>Troops
12x Pink Horrors: Icon - 118
12x Pink Horrors: Icon - 118
12x Pink Horrors: Icon - 118
12x Pink Horrors - 108
12x Pink Horrors - 108
12x Pink Horrors - 108

>Fast Attack
9x Screamers - 225

>Heavy Support
Soul Grinder: DoT, PB - 170
Soul Grinder: DoT, PB - 170
Daemon Prince: Wings, ML3, DoT, Impossible Robe, GR - 330

1993/2000

How tryhard would it be to go full Malefic on all the Horror squads
:^)

>>47644702
Granted it was not for a strategic reason. Allow me to explain:

>been playing DE for the past 6 months so forgot many Space Marine rules
>picked the cheapest HQ just to fill a slot
>opponent informed me on Turn 1 that Heavy Weapons that don't roll To Hit cannot fire if they moved, which I was unaware of.

My "strategy" was putting as many Ravenwing Bikes as I could on the field that my model count allowed (6 RW Bikes, 3 Black Knights) in our humble 750 point list.

I learned more about this weekend's game than I have in the past 2 months about 40k.

I also learned that Grav has basically replaced Plasma much to my Dark Angels' dismay. It almost makes me want to quit DA and just play SM since they have way more options and are objectively better.

My pal has four Valkyries, a Vendetta, and a Vulture. I play Guard as well - how do I counter this? I was thinking the Emperor's Wrath Artillery Company formation with a bunch of Hydras or scratchbuilding some hydra platforms?

>>47644754
You do realize that's not even remotely close to a Battleforged list, right? Reread page 118- Detachments. Specifically it's the left column around the middle.

Going full Malific for Cursed Earth is just a necessary evil with Tzeentch daemons.

>>47643694
>>47643741
where are you seeing this. There are no pivoting retrictions on bikes at all. There are no pivoting restrictions on *anything* but flyers

>>47644783
>Heralds are 4 per HQ slot
>Formation from Fenris rules
It's completely legit my friend

>>47644783
how is it not?
hes got 6 troops, and heralds (including exaulted flamers) are 4-for-1 HQ slot.
I mean its not a warpflame host like he says, cause then he'd be missing 2 troops for a CAD, but still

>>47644770
Librarian is cheaper than a Company Master.

Grav has replaced everything.
>It almost makes me want to quit DA and just play SM since they have way more options and are objectively better.
Unless you're running exclusively against tier one armies, Dark Angels are perfectly fine. The discrepancy between SM and DA is largely due to a handful of formations.

>>47644793
i didnt mean to include "then" in my post >>47644793

meant to say you pivot and move however you want, hence "it doesnt say either/or"

>>47644807
no, there's not enough troops for the CAD, which is the only way you can fit the Heavy Support and Fast slots.

Only way that is battleforged if its all in a CAD, no formations

>>47644807
No, it's not. You need to reread the entirety of the rules for formations and detachments.
>>47644809
You literally mentioned how it's not legal in your own post.

>>47644834
I meant its legal if its a CAD.

>>47644818
>Grav has replaced everything.
Until 8th edition
Prepare for the tears, it will be glorious.

>>47644617
I think they look good, but the downside is you can only get soul grinders in groups of 3+ and no access at all to Blight Droned and Plague Hulks.

>>47644793
the FAQ draft clarified this. Bikes, cavalry, MCs and other long base models cannot change their position before moving to gain some inches.

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>>47644754
>posting your double CAD list as a single CAD and claiming it's a warpflame host while putting a prince as heavy support without a proper greater daemon

well then, this is clearly some tzeentch work and it did confuse the anons.
>>47644879
that's a big negative; if you like fielding those models or need them but my daemons don't

>>47644818
The only thing holding me to DA is because of my love for their awful fluff and how much I enjoy the way the models look.

I want more Grav love and Centurions, despite how it could plausibly be against their fluff.

>>47644938
is there any SM formation with Cents? add it to your DA army

>>47644918
If I'm interpreting this correctly, I cannot pivot at the start of movement, but during movement I can?

>>47644933
>that's a big negative; if you like fielding those models or need them but my daemons don't
Well I'm looking at a pure (heh) Nurgle list.

I'm not hellbent on them though, but they do seem to fill Nurgles lack of ranged offense, If I do go pure Incursion the only ranged that Nurgle can have would be psykers, princes and soul ginders.

>>47644918
>>47644956
You can pivot as many times as you want anywhere during your move (including before you move) as long as *no part of your base* is further from where it started than 12"

so yes, you can rotate then move straight in that direction, but you lose the distance the long end of your base rotate on your move.

>>47644918
The intent was to stop cheeky fuckers with long bases from abusing their models' dimensions to move further than they can. If I remember correctly the exact wording is that no individual part of the model can move further than the model's listed movement. You CAN pivot at any point but your movement is made relative to the position of your model before it moved, including facing. So if you had a Knight that was facing forwards and tried to move it so it was facing right, the MODEL would have to move less than 12" so that the left edge of its base moved no more than a total of 12".

>>47644879
It's pretty easy to throw a CAD together with some Nurglings and a Herald to grant you access to stuff outside the giant formations.

>>47644938
Yes, if you don't want Ravenwing and Deathwing models and just want Grav and fugly ass centurions, just go SM. All your basic models are WYSIWYG for their codex brethren anyways, so there's nothing really preventing you from switching between the two.
>>47644864
I hope so.

>>47644954
No.

>>47644972
>>47644983
Yes, you are right. I should've been more clear.

Can you take formations from another codex that is a battle brother with your primary detachment?

For example, I'm thinking of running Storm Troopers but I want to also have a Psykana Division formation (an IG formation).

>>47644969
i played a doubles game with a nurgle daemon player once, he basically played the role of bullet sponge and only his prince did damage. the incursion cap was good as well since we both ran out of models. we won with only 2 nurglings left on the table at 9-7

>>47645030
You can take another formation from the Tyranid book if you wanted.

>>47645030
As long as everything in your army is from a formation or CAD the army is battleforged and A-OK. You can completely have a CAD of Scions with allied Guard CAD or formations. Just be aware that as of the FAQ draft your battle brother allies can't use your transports so those Wyrdvanes aren't allowed a Valkyrie unless you get one from the Guard codex.

>>47645051
They can use transports for fucks sake. They just can't DEPLOY in them.

>>47645043
>>47645051
Cheers for the answer. That Psykana division has been really fun in the games I've played with, so I was hoping I could mix it in.

So ive seen a few people talking about a Battle Brother promotion today... what is it?

Also is the Shipping Crate+Tau for 185$ as good a deal as it seems? I know the FW+Broadside+Crisis Team is like 160, so you seem to get some free shit, but those containers look... sketchy to work with, and i heard the plastic is ass

>>47645073
I realized I didn't specify that properly after I'd hot post. That said, since a flyer starts the game in reserve, you can't put anything but same-codex units in it without awkwardly wasting about three turns bringing it on, hovering and embarking then zooming away.

And for a unit as fragile as Wyrdvanes they aren't going to last very long sitting next to a box if your opponent happens to get the first turn.

>>47645110
Bring a buddy to a GW, say he's new, have him buy a 50£ Get Started! set and you both get a 10£ Voucher

>>47645051
This is wrong. You can have unbound with formations and be legal.

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/r/-ing that one pic of the cute Ork going "Oh hey boss"

>>47645162
>playing unbound

>>47645162
That's not true. You can take formations in an army that is unbound but the army as a whole is still unbound and will still be banned by anyone that bans unbound.

Why doesn't the Mega have the Daemonic Incursion version of the Daemon's codex? Where can I get it sans torrents?

>>47645209
That's not an argument.

It is still legal by the Warhammer 40K rulebook.

>>47645206
>telling new players the wrong rules.

>>47645239
>>47645209
>>47645162
I was the one that asked the question originally, now I'm confused. Can I take the formation and it be legal in bound or does that need to be unbound? I thought unbound was literally anything can be taken regardless of needing formations.

Looking for feedback on a legal Warpflame Host based Incursion for a 1500 point tournament.

+Warpflame Host (897 Points)
Herald of Tzeentch- Mastery Level 3, Exalted Locus of Conjuration, Paradox- 145
5x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (11)- 99x5=597
3x Flamers of Tzeentch (3)- 69x3- 207
Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch- 50

+Daemonic Flock (35 Points)
Chaos Furies (5)- 35

+Daemon Lord (300 Points)
Kairos Fateweaver- 300

+Daemon Lord (265 Points)
Lord of Change- The Impossible Robe, Lesser Reward- 265

Total- 1497

Obviously I don't have a lot of room for major alterations given the WFH, but I've been thinking about swapping the Lord of Change for a Herald and some Nurglings in a CAD.

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>>47645236
no one bothered to buy it and it's in warzone fenris. here's the daemon leak from when it came out

>>47645273
Formations and formations are legal

Formations and detachments are legal

Detachments and detachments are legal

Unbound and formations are legal (but frowned upon)

Unbound is legal (but frowned upon.)

Detachments and unbound is ILLEGAL

>>47645239
Unbound is still legal by the 40k rulebook. That doesn't make it any more acceptable to players that don't want to deal with unbound.

Unbound plus formations (or formations plus unbound, before you argue the semantics) is just as legal as pure unbound.

>>47645273
Unbound is what your army becomes if you have any units in it that don't belong to a formation or CAD. You can remain battleforged (bound) as long as you don't just take random units that aren't a part of either of those.

>>47645313
>Detachments and unbound is ILLEGAL
But formations are detachments

>>47645346
Read the rules.

>>47645346
They are a special type of detachments, the name difference is primarily because of what I posted. Formations are generally smaller and are legal with unbound while detachments are usually an entire army and are not legal with unbound

>>47645346
>>47645334
>>47645313
Ok, I think I understand now. Thank you!

Hey guys!
So I was rooting through some boxes from when I moved into my new house and found my old space marines from 3rd ed. I was wondering if you guys could give some input on what to add to my current army. I have:

1xTactical Squad (10 marines)
1xDevastator Squad
1xAssault Squad
1xCommand Squad
1xTerminator Squad
1xChaplin
1xLandspeeder with melta

>>47645334
Right but you can't just tell new players that you can't take unbound. It's frowned upon, but the rules are already complicated enough without /tg/ muddying the waters.

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>>47645367
sure thing!

>>47645411
The "special type" is because of whats posted here >>47645376

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>>47645392
Make sure to keep Battle Brother Charlitus

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GW apparently now has an official facebook pages for 40k, age of sigmar etc.
Has the world gone insane?
I thought GW hated interacting with it's fanbase?

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>>47645408
Nip it in the bud before it becomes a problem. If a new player learns that unbound is frowned upon early on then they won't bother with it, which is good because most players, not to mention anything with competitive in the description, won't allow an unbound list.

Unbound as a rule was designed for literal casual games where collectors use whatever the fuck models they happen to own, anyway. A new player won't get much mileage out of it other than the ability to build retarded lists that spam a single unit and so on.

>>47644770
>I also learned that Grav has basically replaced Plasma much to my Dark Angels' dismay.

Grav is great and all and I would NEVER put Plas on Regular RW Bikers but I bring more Black Knights (with their TL Plas, base A2 with +1s Rending Melee Weapons) much more than I bring Grav Spam.

Regular Grav Bikers are fragile and I use them as quick, almost suicidey, units. Scout and Move them into range, hit them with and blast a threat with 9 Grav Shots (if I have my Combi still)

2 Plas Gun Bikers and a Combi Plas Searg will be 115 points

3 Black Knights with their great mix of shoot and smash described above is 120 points.

You pay 5 points to TL all your plas, lose your bolt guns and no long just get one charge on a combi. Plus Skilled rider making you one easily accessible Special Rule away from that sweet, sweet 2+ Jink.

I am the envy of the SW and WS I play against at my shop.

>>47645449
Ha!

>>47645450
Different CEO. Based Mr. Rountree

>>47645468
What is ITC?

>>47645488
Cancer

>>47645488
Rule decisions and interpretations made by a 3rd party that are used in Tournaments.

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>>47645468
>that image
>that name

>>47645484
Is he the reason why GW has suddenly started making far smarter business decisions? Shit like the "Start Collecting!" boxes, working on implementing points system to Age of Sigmar, the new game boxes they keep releasing almost by monthly etc, seem all so friggin strange in comparison to the shit I'm used to.
Could there be hope in the horizon?

>>47645488
A tournament ruleset that used to be a bunch of houserules and now actively overrules GW's rules in the pursuit of so-called balance.

Basically >>47645497

>>47645488
Questionable rules interpretations

>>47645488
Incorporated Television Company

>>47645522
He's mostly the reason, yes. Kirby not being actively around board decisions helps a lot as well

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>Plasma vs Grav

Pick a side, /whg/.
Which and why?

>>47640747
>So instead of rolling 4-5 for a good chance at casting a WC2 I could just use 3-4
Jesus Christ, why would you ever roll 5 dice for a single WC2 power?

>>47645564
Well, that's some good news.
>>47645573
Plasma guns look cooler, thus plasma.

>>47640248
Which I've heard will be right after the new Bretonnia army book.

>>47645488
It's the largest U.S. independent tournament group. They've got their own FAQ. People here get extremely butthurt about them.

>>47645573
Grave has more fun rules. shame its so OP

>>47645573
Plasma for style

>>47645573

Overall I like Plasma More, especially at highpoint gmaes where I can have up to 24 TL Plas Talons.

Grav is great, it does work and everything certainly. However it has failed me more often then not.

Maybe I don't spam enough but people are usually glad to hear I only have 2-3 Grav Squads instead of the 10-12 I could bring.

>>47645573
In the Grim Dark Future I want to PEW PEW, not WOOSH, thus Plasma is better than grav.

>>47645580
Because you really want the power to go off?
4d6: 68.75%
5d6: 81.25%

Reddit is being secret clubbish over Z's fucking email, as my old one no longer works and i need to order like 200 skeletons and a brace of Kreig. Do any anons here have the current and active email?

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>>47645589
>yfw CSM rumored for new dex and plastic 1ksons this year
>yfw Bretonnia implied to be in AoS and have possibility of getting models

I-i's true this time, r-right guys...?

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>>47645647
>Reddit is being secret clubbish over Z's fucking email

Good, they should be. You can find it on your own easy enough. Don't go asking around like a Narc looking for drugs.

>Do any anons here have the current and active email?

Yes. I also have this image from one of his emails saying not to give it out.

He is not taking new customers after his email blew up so unless you did business with him before and he let you in on the new email he wont take your order.

So if they update csm codex surely they have to update KDK?

>>47645688
Why? They are two separate factions and KDK is much more recent.

>>47645658
Believe nothing until you have box or book in hand.

>>47645677
>Good, they should be. You can find it on your own easy enough. Don't go asking around like a Narc looking for drugs.
Bro its not even included in the catalog anymore and none of the catalogs have a passworded txt file like the other ones did. Im sure he did email me from a long time back but theres no way to search my email box since its usually random damn letters. I dont want to pay Shekel Workshop 24.99 for 10 skeletons when Z is selling them for like 16 I think, if his last catalog is correct.

>>47645741
sorry dude, the way is shut

Ok, after playing around with Battlescribe. I've come up with a list that might be fun to play, how competitive is it for the point level? I'm mostly planning on Deep Striking as many Scions as I can and getting right in there quickly.

1500 points

[CAD Tempestus] [953 points]

HQ [1]
Militarum Command Squad [130]
> 1x - Tempestor Prime
> 3x - Scion; Melta Gun
> 1x - Scion; Vox-caster

Troops [5]

Tempestus Scions x5 [155 each]
> 1x - Tempestor
> 6x - Scion
> 2x - Scion; Melta Gun

[Inquisitorial Detachment] [128 points]

> 2 x - Ordo Heretical Inquisitor; ML1, 3x Servo Skulls

[Psykana Division] [455 points]
> 3x - Commissar
> 3x - Wyrdvane Psykers; 5 Psykers, Taurox
> 1x - Primaris Psyker

I was thinking of trying to fit in a knight for variety.

>>47645647
Crap, I only have the old one...

>>47645764
Jesus christ you guys are fucking faggots about this shit.

>>47645471
This is a fair chunk of data I'll be digesting for my Black Knights.
I appreciate it.

The main problem for me is Black Knights (RW Command Squad) are treated as Elites.

So if I'm using the Ravenwing Strike Force detachment, which there is only a single slot for Elite, I'd have to pay an HQ tax for a new RW Strike Force detachment if I also want more Black Knights with buffs.

Then again, I guess I can just field tons Black Knights in a standard detachment and simply not get the sweet buffs for them.

>>47645741
There are a few other Recasters that make them.

Aren't they in CCONs fantasy catalog?

Just check all around alexi press or whatever that site is everyone spouts off about.

>>47645788
Don't shit the bed you fucking wanker, its what he wants

Christ what a nob head

>>47645788
Did you not see above where the guy mentioned that Z doesn't want people spreading it around?

>>47645805
beep boop
http://www.aliexpress.com/

>>47645788
You must have missed the image where Z specifically asked us not to share his email

>>47645796
>The main problem for me is Black Knights (RW Command Squad) are treated as Elites.

Only the Command Squad version of Black Knights are elite, champ. Regular Black Knights are fast attack in our codex.

at 2000pts I bring 6 BKs in Command squad and 3 more 6 man units of regular BKs

>>47645814
>>47645807
Ive already paid this fucker almost 800 dollars before for stuff and I want to GIVE him more money. My bad thay i broke my laptop when I moved from base to my actual home

What's the best way to equip tactical terminators? Looking mainly at lower point games where AP2 is limited. Is the assault cannon or cyclone better for footslogging? Both seem decent.

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Top banter
https://regimental-standard.com/

>>47645848
>They broke my laptop, thus shattering my email's mailbox.

Sorry buddy but you just seem like an agitated cunt now.

/tg/ is much more secret club than leddits' yoymart or whatever. Usually redirecting people from here to there.

Unless you have a marker and a nice rack no one here will help.

>>47645580
>Not rolling double+1
Dun goofed.

What army should I start if I want the highest number of force/power swords?

Painting Tau is making me want to paint glowing swords.

>>47645881
>emails inbox

I had the email, item codes, and past orders saved in a file so if I had trouble finding the old email (like now) i could just copy paste as well as the old model codes to streamline ordering. Fuck me right? as for a marker and a rack i could make that shit happen

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>>47645881
>nice rack
Is this one good enough?

>>47645923
Grey knight,
Every infantryman gets a force-weapon.

>>47645940
No timestamp

No deal.

>>47645832
Err...right.
I'll memorize this stuff some day.
Thank you again for your input.

>>47645940
Half of it's covered up!

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>>47645881
>And use a fucking coaster!

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>>47645981
you boys with your silly demands...

>>47645980
All in good time, I started Ravenwing last year and can field up to 3500 without leaving the Second Company.

Any other questions about RW and DW I can help with. For Greenwing you are on your own.

>>47646011
This is a blue board. At least spoiler that shit.

>>47645991
No

>>47645991
Show tits with stamp you stupid faggot

Make a post in /b/ and link if you're worried about ban

>>47646036
>>47646063
Even if i post full tit you guys still wont give me the email.

>>47646110
Ahh you finally see. Run along now.

>>47646129
Go fuck yourself.

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>>47646137

>>47646110
Won't know till we try.

The last one didn't even time stamp and MS painted her face out and she got (I believe) CCONs.

>>47646063
Making people demean themselves for a email never change internet never change

>>47646163
>>47646160
Already found (an) email by cross referencing an old email with the last digits of an order screen shot off of reddit. Sent it off to see if theyll confirm it.

>>47646164
>Typed 4chan to get here
>Still forgetting where you are

Blue boards just mean you can't post pictures. Internet rules apply.

>>47646199
See and all you needed was our motivation.

You are a better person for this anon.

Tell Z 4chan sent you.

Im tempted to post the email just to chap you guys.

>>47646110
You clearly don't believe that considering you've already posted a picture.

If you want the email, post your tits or stop fucking replying.

>>47646211
I didnt forget where i am i knew that covered tits wouldnt be enough hell i was hoping for uncovered tits myself i just having a giggle about the fact that its over an email

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>>47646225
Or you guys could have pried the cocks you were so happily suckling on from your mouths and just given me a censored email just so i could use that to prowl my emailbox. Looks like my hubby is getting his skeletons after all

>>47645702
Because of the marines, berzerkers and all the troops they share
If the csm codex gives em new gear the KDK should include them surely

>>47645991
>fat fingers

>>47646265
Blood Angels