/hwg/ - Historical Wargames General

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>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!s9xTTDpQ!CasEjRETeqZsJ5LOzYrJdg
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf
>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Ronin
http://www.mediafire.com/download/m8xke04pc3hne2k/Ronin.pdf
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Next War (GMT)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/eupungrg93xgb/Next_War
>Battlegroup
https://mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ

Desired scans :
Black Powder supplements
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Hail Caesar! Late Antiquity to Early Medieval Army List
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest
Germany Strikes!

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May 29th in military history:

363 – The Roman emperor Julian defeats the Sasanian army in the Battle of Ctesiphon, under the walls of the Sasanian capital, but is unable to take the city.
1108 – Battle of Uclés: Almoravid troops under the command of Tamim ibn Yusuf defeat a Castile and León alliance under the command of Prince Sancho Alfónsez.
1167 – Battle of Monte Porzio: A Roman army supporting Pope Alexander III is defeated by Christian of Buch and Rainald of Dassel
1176 – Battle of Legnano: The Lombard League defeats Emperor Frederick I.
1453 – Fall of Constantinople: Ottoman armies under Sultan Mehmed II Fatih capture Constantinople after a 53-day siege, ending the Byzantine Empire.
1780 – American Revolutionary War: At the Battle of Waxhaws, the British continue attacking after the Continentals lay down their arms, killing 113 and critically wounding all but 53 that remained.
1903 – In the May Coup, Alexander I, King of Serbia, and Queen Draga, are assassinated in Belgrade by the Black Hand organization.
1918 – Armenia defeats the Ottoman Army in the Battle of Sardarabad.
1935 – First flight of the Messerschmitt Bf 109 fighter aeroplane.
1940 – The first flight of the Vought F4U Corsair.
1945 – First combat mission of the Consolidated B-32 Dominator heavy bomber.
1948 – Creation of the United Nations peacekeeping force the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization.
1964 – The Arab League meets in East Jerusalem to discuss the Palestinian question, leading to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization.
1982 – Falklands War: British forces defeat the Argentines at the Battle of Goose Green.

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It is 34 years since the Battle of Goose Green, fought between British and Argentine forces during the Falklands War.

On 25 May the supply ship ‘Atlantic Conveyor’ was struck by Argentine Exocet missiles with the loss of its cargo of troop-carrying helicopters. This necessitated a complete change of strategy for the conduct of the campaign. The British would now have to advance on foot to Port Stanley some 50 miles (80km) away in the depths of a South Atlantic winter.

Despite the initial doubts of Brigadier Julian Thompson, commander of 3 Commando Brigade, the decision was taken to capture Darwin and Goose Green, some 13 miles (20km) to the south of San Carlos Water where the British had landed. These two settlements were in the opposite direction to Port Stanley, the main British objective.

There was, however, a substantial Argentine garrison stationed in the area, which could potentially pose a threat to the British advance to Port Stanley. In the early hours of 28 May the 500 men of 2 Para started their advance towards Darwin. The paras were lead by LtC Herbert ‘H’ Jones, and comprised three rifle companies, one patrol company, one support company and an HQ company. Thompson had assigned three 105mm artillery pieces, one MILAN anti-tank missile platoon and Scout helicopters as support elements. In addition, close air support was available from three RAF Harriers, and naval gunfire support was to be provided by HMS Arrow.

The Argentine force consisted of two companies of LtC Italo Piaggi's 12th Infantry Regiment. It also contained a company of the Ranger-type 25th Infantry Regiment. Air defence was provided by a battery of six 20mm Rheinmetall manned by Air Force personnel and two Oerlikon 35mm guns that would be employed in a ground support role in the last stages of the fighting. There was also one battery of three 105mm pack howitzers. Pucarás based at Stanley provided close air support. Total forces under Piaggi's commanded numbered 1083 men.

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>>47491791
Goose Green was the first land battle of the Falklands War and one where the outcome hung in the balance until the very end. LtC Jones and 2 Para had to complete their mission in darkness and take Darwin and Goose Green ‘before breakfast’. Leaving the majority of their supplies and heavier weapons behind, the soldiers took 24-hour ration packs and large quantities of ammunition in order to be able to move more quickly. They would rely on artillery and naval ships for fire support to suppress enemy positions.

British intelligence had, however, failed to identify the main Argentine defensive positions in the area of Darwin Hill. An intense night battle with rockets, rifles and bayonets then ensued. When dawn broke the attack plan was behind schedule. The British troops were now faced with a frontal attack over open ground against a well-entrenched enemy who were expecting them.

When the assault stalled in the face of heavy defensive fire, LtC Jones led a daring attack against an Argentine machine-gun position, during which he was killed. His men eventually fought their way through and by midday on 28 May they had taken Darwin.

The battle continued in daylight with air support now coming to the assistance of both sides. Major Chris Keeble was called up from the rear to take command after Jones’s death. After fierce actions in the surrounding area and the airfield near the settlement, the Argentines pulled back to Goose Green. That night Keeble persuaded the Argentines to surrender. The garrison subsequently capitulated at dawn on 29 May. It was only then that the British realised how large the Argentine force at Goose Green actually was.

Between 45 and 55 Argentines were killed (32 from IR12, 13 from Company C IR25, five killed in the platoon from IR8, 4 Air Force staff and one Navy servicemen) and about 86 wounded, with the remainder prisoners. The British lost 18 killed (16 Paras, one Royal Marine pilot and one commando sapper) and 64 wounded.

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>>47491804
Goose Green is controversial for several reasons. The decision made at the time to commit British troops to what many considered an unnecessary diversion from Stanley, the British key objective, has been the subject of some criticism.

The role of ‘H’ Jones has also been surrounded by controversy. Many have hailed him as a hero who, with his courageous death, inspired his men to fight on and win the battle. Others have criticised his single-handed attack on an Argentine position, seeing it as an impetuous action that deprived his soldiers of their commanding officer at a critical time, without having a major impact on the outcome of the battle. Nevertheless, his battalion was frustrated by inadequate fire support and it was essential to maintain the momentum of the assault. Jones was buried at Ajax Bay on 30 May; after the war his body was exhumed and transferred to the British cemetery in San Carlos. He was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross

Piaggi surrendered his forces in Goose Green on the Argentinian National Army Day (29 May). After the war he was forced to resign from the army, and faced ongoing trials questioning his competence at Goose Green. In 1986 he wrote a book in which he strongly defended his decisions during the war and criticised the lack of logistical support from Stanley. He said that they had plenty of 7.62mm rifle ammunition left, but had run out of 81mm mortar rounds, and there were only 394 shells left for the 105mm artillery guns. In 1992, after a long fight in both civil and military courts, Piaggi had his retired military rank and pay reinstated as a full colonel. He died in 2012.

Goose Green is a good choice for a battalion-sized modern wargame; players could try alternate plans or include other variables, and there is a range of combined arms to keep with interesting, while still being an infantry-heavy firefight.

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/leiblotusqzw3/Falklands_War

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I know there are a couple of Crimean War anons out there somewhere, so here's a recent find for you: a pair of detailed guides to the combatant forces, written with wargamers in mind.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/ckte3h3nt4ix5dh/Crimean+War+Basics+-+Britain+France+and+Sardinia.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/tkz0almcmkb557c/Crimean+War+Basics+-+Russia+and+Turkey.pdf

DBA?

>>47491791
>D Coy
>Decoy
so it was a false attack?

>>47491741
the blokes on the left and right look like they're laughing

>>47492599
Or cumming

>>47491818
Fucking stupid and useless military government, because them the most of argentinians think that the army is useless, full of corrupt "fachos" and that if you like military things you are one of them.

>>47491818
oh thanks, i didn't know osprey made books about Falklands.

>>47491840
mate i could hug you.
this is exactly what i needed

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>>47493314
When the conflict began they actually suspended their regular publishing run in order to put out the initial 3-part MAA series. At the time very few people in the Anglophone world were familiar with the Argentine forces.

Hey chaps, I've been searching for a scan of the 1996 rules for Crossfire by Art Conliffe. The only thing I've found is them for sale on a third party site, where it looks like none of the money actually goes to Arty anyway.

Does anyone here have a scan I can have?

>>47497281

Disregard this. Hopped over to /fwg/ and found a scan. /tg/ never fails.

>>47497841
That's the same folder as in our OP. If you're ever looking for a WW2 wargame check in there.

Where do I start if I've never played a wargame, ever? And if none of the friends I'd be roping into playing with me have any experience either?

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Do you guys only play historical wars? Who here uses historical rules for imaginary wars, maybe with imaginary armies.

>>47498533
Not sure about imaginary armies but everything I've done post-WW2 is for fictional wars, barring Vietnam. Which has been about 5 different sets of forces.

>>47498533
yeah we fight non historical battles but usually within reason. For example, we might pit crimean war era ottomans vs portuguese from the same period. or germans vs finns for bolt action. this is largely because not everyone has the exact forces needed to recreate history every time. but generally history is the main focus.

>>47498347
Pick a period, then an army, then a scale, then a rule set.

my project for this winter is to put together a table for the battle(s) of tobruk. got a mate who plays desert rats, another who plays a maori battalion, ive got italians and another guy has some DAK. should be epic once its finished.

but do any of the ospreys cover italian fortified positions and trench layout? gonna be cutting into the foam so i wanna get it as accurate as possible.

also any cool table ideas are mode than welcome

>>47498347
>>47498718
This. Find something of interest,work out what kind of battles you'd like to do within it, which scale plays heavily in to, and canvass your options for rules systems as there is bound to be a lot of options which might be good but not good specifically for you. Like never start modern skirmish gaming with Force on Force despite it being a recommended game because it's a pain in the are to learn.

>>47498533
Pretty much everything we do is "non historical" in that we're not refighting specific battles.

We use as accurate units and rules as possible, but we prefer to create our own forces from historical units and then fight out the battle for randomized objectives. It makes for great even battles where tactics is everything. Often in historical battles one side is hopelessly outnumbered and/or outgunnned. Ideally, this should be the way every battle should be, because its the best way to preserve your soldiers lives and smash the enemy with minimal losses, but of course not all armies have the option to outnumber or outgun their opponents, so naturally you get a few even battles in history, and also "impossible" reversals from massively outnumbered forces on the defensive.

We did re fight a few WW2 battles, but they were mostly eastern front battles. One where T-34s where breaking through Romanian forces in a snow blizzard, navigating by compass. (I Thin this was part of operation uranus) The hopelessly outmatched Romanians with their shitty pak-38s had to hold out as long as possible against endless T-34's, and inflict a certain amount of damage.

Another battle involved a hill and a bridge and a small town, I forget the exact scenario or battle but soviets managed to infiltrate assauly infantry onto a hill to take over some german flak88s.

>>47491741
Wait... Brits were still using those death machines called stems even into the Falklands? I'm amazed one of those things could survive 10 years, let alone almost 40.

Weren't they made to be cheap as possible? I've heard stories of them running wild if you dropped them on a concrete floor and in general being made as a "a gun is better than no gun" philosophy.

I'm guessing I've heard wrong, that, or that's a modern (for the time) variant I'm not familiar with

>>47499781
Those are Sterlings which were the post-WW2 successor to the Sten.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterling_submachine_gun

Seconding my request for the zombie expansion of Skirmish Sangin in case anyone has them.

>>47499727
I think you might be surprised, a lot of people only fight actual historical scenarios. Although in my experience they are usually on the older end and so probably aren't in this thread.

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>>47498794
>but do any of the ospreys cover italian fortified positions and trench layout? gonna be cutting into the foam so i wanna get it as accurate as possible.

There isn't a specific Fortress title on the subject, but maybe the Campaign one could cover things. Have you looked at the official Australian and/or New Zealand histories for the battle? They usually have great maps and photos.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/tutgw7diwkl7gec/Osprey+-+CAM+080+-+Tobruk+1941.pdf

You might also like to look at the old Avalon Hill h&c game, it's considered a classic. The designer's notes and so on could be of great interest to you.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/13sdgtokr4vclof/Tobruk.pdf

thanks. i'll have a good look. i don't know why it didn't occur to me to look into ANZAC stuff since they're famous for those battles.

>>47501455
What might I be surprised about?

I was describing how my friends and I do historical wargaming, I'm well aware many people actually re-fight battles, to the point of exclusively playing historical scenarios. I hope I didn't seem like I was generalizing for all of /hwg/

>>47501709
I missread your "we" as general not specific.
My bad.

What's a recommended system for modern (2001+) ground combat? I have Modern Microarmor by GHQ, but I don't like how 1 stand is 1 platoon, and I have Battlefield Evolution, but it's too... 40k I guess. Hoping for something in between.

any youtube vids that break down military terminology (battalions, corps, other shit I don't get) and what weapons are used for what (thinking WW2)

>>47502657
>battalions, corps, other shit I don't get
The wikipedia articles are good for learning structure and organisation levels tbqh

anyone know a friendly copy of a pdf for
En Garde! could be found?

i understand it is a Ronin rules-set based game, but for what amounts to musketeers
>all for one
>and
>none for all

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>>47502657
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK09g6gYGMvU-0x1VCF1hgA

This is a pretty good channel in general

>>47502808
That actually looks not all that bad, and I fucking hate youtubers.

I like how he emphasises concision as a virtue, something that hardly any youtuber does.

My mission for the Bank Holiday weekend is to figure out how the Monster and Non-Human rules in Chevauchee interact with vanilla FiveCore. If it all goes well I'll make a few tweaks and add a couple of bits and pieces, and make a pay-what-you-want standalone for anyone who wants some fantastic creatures in their modern-era games.

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Cassino in 6mm

>>47505135
mint

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>>47505147
Check it out anon

https://arkiegamer.wordpress.com/2016/05/24/thunder-at-cassino/

Historical wargaming looks really interesting but one of things holding me back is that i think i'd feel almost guilty for re-enacting actual peoples deaths in a game. Its weird but I think about what they would think if they saw me remove a little plastic them. Has anyone here ever felt something like this?

>>47499781
First off, those are Sterlings. Second, Stens aren't nearly as bad as post-war myths make them out to be.

>>47505375
It's something that comes up for discussion every now and then.
It does get less and less of an issue as the conflict gets more and more removed from people's imaginations.

Personally, I feel that as long as you treat the history with the respect it deserves and use these games to get some insights into the issues commanders would struggle with (and start some decent discussion) it's perfectly OK to have fun as well.

If that means being an entirely ruthless commander who truly treats the lives of their troops as disposable, that can be an interesting thing to think and talk about as well.
Many good historical wargames also reward you for preserving your own forces.

Just don't go full /pol/ (or full SJW) over your games.

>>47505375
No, although there is often a question about playing out hyper modern current wars.

>>47505375
No.

>>47505375
Do you think about the Imperial Guardsman wailing in pain as his bowels void when his entrails are torn out by a Tyranid?

No? Well you should. It's part of the story.

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>>47502870
I appreciate his dedication to purely trying to communicate information without bias or filler.

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>>47505632
>dat woolly pully
I can feel it itching through the screen

>>47505723
They are so British it's the pullover that feel itchy, not the soldier.

>>47505723
>you can feel it being comfy through the screen

I fixed that for you friend!

>>47505375
Never, personally. I don't see how me playing with plastic army men might be a form of disrespect.

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>>47505723
really? I have 2 of these (bundeswehr issue though) and they are comfy as fuck.

I'm not really sure how to best phrase this, but ... do you guys have issues with actual, real fascism in your gaming groups?

I say this because I recently moved to a new state, which means I had to leave all my old tabletop friends behind. There's a good hobby shop in the new area though, and it has a pretty sizable crew of guys into historical gaming. But now that I've been here for threeish months and gotten the chance to know them a bit better as individuals, it's become apparent that almost all of them have huge Nazi boners. For a lot of these dudes, it seems like historicals are just a vehicle for re-enacting Nazi power fantasies and the like. I can't spend more than two hours in the shop without all conversation being sidelined in favor of wanking over Rommel or the merits of national/racial separatism. I don't even feel like there'd be a point in bringing up my disagreements, because I'd just end up being the odd man out while six different guys tell me how "Hitler did nothing wrong" (a phrase that regularly gets thrown around in the shop without a hint of irony).

It's super disparaging. This is my hobby, but I feel like Mark in that one episode of peep show where he makes a friend.

>>47505375
>>47506270
This isn't your blog

>>47506270
Time to slap on the Turtle-helm, grab a Lee-Enfield, shout "TALLY HO, LADS" and give a taste of their own blitzkrieg to them.

Like bruh, seriously, wat.

>>47506270
is this a pasta?

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>>47506270
I think you should take this and report back when you have bingo.

>>47506319
I didn't post >>47505375. Cool your fucking jets.

>>47506421
I wish this were an option, but it'd be tantamount to just finding a new LGS. Which I guess I might do anyway.

>>47506434
No.

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>>47506533

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>>47505884
>>47505723
I believe, if washed properly, they became considerably more comfortable. Together with DPM, you can't get a more iconic image of the British Army in the 80s. (Well, bushy moustaches and SLRs also have their place, I admit).

>>47506579
Oh Cap, you so crazy.

>>47501984
Fistful of tows seems to be a good system, take a look at that

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Had my first game of Pax Baltica, the 1700-1710 scenario.

Quite random, but we had a blast playing it. Still, Russia has quite a rough time dealing with Karl's absolutely amazing armies. I feel like the full game, with the possibility of Sweden getting ground down by attrition, would probably be a little more balanced.

>>47505375
This is one of the reasons this anon hasn't started a Bolt Action army yet.. It feels bit queezy when one knows people who experienced WW2

>>47508648
> It feels bit queezy when one knows people who experienced WW2

Not really actually.

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>>47505417
Ode to a Sten Gun
By Gunner. S.N. Teed

You wicked piece of vicious tin!
Call you a gun? Don't make me grin.
You're just a bloated piece of pipe.
You couldn't hit a hunk of tripe.
But when you're with me in the night,
I'll tell you pal, you're just alright!

Each day I wipe you free of dirt.
Your dratted corners tear my shirt.
I cuss at you and call you names,
You're much more trouble than my dames.
But boy, do I love to hear you yammer
When you 're spitting lead in a business manner.

You conceited pile of salvage junk.
I think this prowess talk is bunk.
Yet if I want a wall of lead
Thrown at some Jerry's head
It is to you I raise my hat;
You're a damn good pal...
You silly gat!

>>47491753
Saga Campaign rules scans? What was their name, wolf something?

>>47509205
I posted it two threads ago, it should be in the folders.

>>47509205
Age of the Wolf. Good hunting.

>>47507015
Thanks, looks interesting so far

Awesome anons, anyone has Naval Thunder: Battleship Row and/or Bitter Rivals?

I've been delving into Victory at Sea but would like to go a little (not a lot) deeper :)

>>47505375
It seems to have been more of a consideration a few decades ago that more recent conflicts were more rarely played out of deference to veterans.

>>47506270
This feels like an exaggeration. If not entirely fabricated.

>>47513356
it's fabricated.

>>47513356
im inclined to believe him because fat white dudes with nazi boners are also common where i am too (lower class suburban australia). Tolerated but not the norm. all of them play bolt action and world of tanks for whatever reason

>>47491741
'The time has come and so have I' edition.

>>47506270
I would just enjoy it, where I'm from everyone wants to be the Allies so it's always a pain in the arse finding some Italians/Germans/Japanese.

>>47506270
In this post, the (most likely) same person who conflates hwg with nazi sympathisers, /pol/ gamers, anti-semites and fascists of every stripe.

This time they are blogging about their "new gaming shop".

didn't happen/10
Won't tar us all with that brush/a bajillion

>>47516301
bump

>>47506270
Not to lend too much credit to what is probably meme post, but the dude has a point.

I've definitely been in stores with older guys who had a bit too much of a wehraboo boner, and this is coming from a guy who has over 2000pts of Bolt Action Germans and 8000pts of FoW germans. I have absolutely met guys who are in the 'hitler did nothing wrong, Germany could've won easy if it hadn't been for those meddling allies." Yadda yadda.

Usually it's just an interest in the equipment or history taken a wee bit too far, but theres occasionally a guy where you can't help but wonder if he's a white supremacist on the side.

I've never met a whole group before. It's usually just one or two guys out of a group of 20.

>>47518134
>who has over 2000pts of Bolt Action Germans

Three veteran King Tigers and two Volkssturm squad? :3

I'm only angry about the Wehraboos because the other nations get shit. Look at the PSC releases - almost all German. Oh, Brits got Paras (fuck knows when in 1:72), and some Cruiser tanks (gee, now we can play in the desert aginst Italians with comparably no shit available), but other than that...German Paratroopers, German Paratrooper Heavy Weapons, German Late War Grenadiers, German Late War Grenadier Heavy Weapons, RSO with Pak 40, Pz 38(t) and so on and so forth. Still no Cromwell in 1:72, still no British heavy weps in 1:72, etc etc. And don't even get me started on Caesar with their "German Panzergrenadiers in Smocks for Kursk on the 3rd Day of the Battle" kind of sets.

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>>47505417
>>47509081
I once heard a hilarious-in-hindsight story about Stens; the Canadians in Walcheren in 1944, being in an extremely wet and cold place, often found the climate interfered with the weapon's operation. One time a guy kicks open a door, levels his Sten at a roomful of shocked Germans - and pulled the trigger releasing a long jet of brown Dutch bogwater a few feet across the room. Fortunately he recovered before they did and promptly managed to run away.

Despite the bad rep, they were really popular with gangsters and guerillas in the post-war period, because they were so simply made and easily available. Pretty much every bank raid in Europe in the 50s and 60s had some guys wielding Stens. In Italy they became as symbolic of gangsters as the Thompson had been in Prohibition-era America.

ITT: "just because it hasn't happened to me it means you're lying"

>>47519666
It's just an application of Occam's Razor. The by far "simpler" explanation is that the event didn't happen.

Therefore it is (probably) the more likely hypothesis. I won't deny the existence of Wehraboo Nazi fantasists, but a whole store of them who wont talk of anything else just seems unlikely. Besides if the whole store is playing the Germans who will play the allies?

I'm upset I have to pay over 4000 yen for a Bolt Action 1:56 scale Japanese tank. Not that I will field the Japanese because the sculpts are total potato scale. But still. It's the principle.

>>47520891
that why you should play WW2 in 1/72 at the very largest, if not much smaller

>>47506270
>"Hitler did nothing wrong" (a phrase that regularly gets thrown around in the shop without a hint of irony).

You might think you are a master of detecting irony because you browse 4chan but that doesn't translates into real life, especially not if that guys you are talking about are a group of friends that knows each other for years.

Get over it, take some time to get to know these guys better or simply go somewhere else to play. simple as that.

>>47518134
I have no problem with people getting a bit "wehraboo-ish". Its (BA and FoW) miniatures games after all and lots of people come from the warhammer environment where its perfectly normal to support "your guys".

I'm actually a german btw, so this might be even funnier for you guys in my regular Bolt Action group is a huge "SS-aboo" who has 2 armies of ss (one unit Leibstandarte AH for early war/Blitzkrieg and Hohenstaufen for mid/Late) but in RL he is an antifa-activist. This guy can talk for hours about tanks and how awesome assault rifles were and all that stuff.

>if he's a white supremacist on the side.

As long as he isn't spreading real propaganda or handing out stickers/leaflets of his organization or party or whatever i wouldn't mind actually. (same goes for the antifa guy i mentioned above or any far left extremists in general).

Keep real politics out of my game and all is good. Having a little boner over the army you are playing is perfectly fine though. It makes gaming more awesome if anything.

>>47521533
your wrong

>>47521313
Are there even 1/72 japanese tank kits?

>>47521313
>>47521546
If only you were as committed to improving your English, as you are to this same broken record of shitposting

>>47521546
His wrong?

>>47521552
Airfix has a Chi-Ha, which is kinda cheap, but not the best. Hasegawa (or Fujimi?) had lots of kits, but they aren't easy to find. Dragon do some really nice Weeaboo Tanks, but they are expensive. A Polish company who did Toldi tanks and Bedford trucks in 1:72 will do some Jap tanks later this year.

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>>47521552
1/72 has always been one of the most popular scales for WW2, and there is a great deal of selection for it.

http://shop.1-72depot.com/tag/1-72-japanese-world-war-ii-tank/

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>>47521585
>look at that list
>marvel at this

Seems even the Japs were bitten by the "Super-Heavy" bug.

http://henk.fox3000.com/finemolds.htm

>>47521616
FOLDED BY A THOUSAND TIMES

>>47521619
A tank that cuts through other tanks

>>47521578
>>47521585

Thanks. I only knew the terrible (i think its almost 20 year old) airfix kit and the overpriced dragon stuff. For the price of their 1/72 kits (which are great, no question) you can get some 1/35 (or 1/48 which would be closer to 28mm) kits too.

>A Polish company
Do you have their name?

>>47521585
Only 14 kits of which 3 are chi-ha and 90% is dragon. Its not really a tempting situation to start a japanese army in 1/72 compared to other nations.

>>47521616
> were bitten by the "Super-Heavy" bug.

It was the reasonable thing to do actually.

>>47521627
Yeah, searched for it in the meanwhile

http://en.ibg.com.pl/

>>47521640
>http://en.ibg.com.pl/

Thanks Anon!

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>>47521627
Have you ever contemplated scratchbuilding? It know it's an extreme, but if you could get the designs in the right scale you wanted, and make them up on plasticard or something, it just might work. But I admit it involves a lot of time and effort.

>>47521674
>Have you ever contemplated scratchbuilding?

For historical tanks? No. At least not for an entire tank.

Its one thing to build an ork pickup for 40k, but building an historical tank so it looks at least close to the real thing is quite hard

I saw someone on facebook building a Maus from Plasticcard in 1/56 (28mm) and it looked impressive and i doubt i could ever do it that good and the Maus is actually shaped in a way that makes it really easy to build. Its size also makes it easier i guess. Building tiny japanese tanks (all those rivets..) from scratch seems to be a nightmare.

But i just checked a review for the Toldi kit by IBG. The reviewer was full of praise for it. Priced at 7,90€ its also very reasonable for such a small company (compared to 20€ for a dragon tank in 1/72)

>>47520891
So, go Soviet or Nazi since Tamiya seems to have a raging erection for the Eastern Front.
Can't beat those ~2000 yen tanks.

>>47521722
Certainly looks like going Soviet would be a good move.

>>47521722
Tamiya has plenty of western tanks as well though.

They have like 3 or 4 different sherman kits alone. The only thing that is really missing are bren carrier and M3 halftracks.

>>47521722
Check out hobby boss, their 1/48 kits (mostly M4s, T-34s and KVs) are prices as low as 6€ sometimes. Not as nice to put together as Tamiya though, but i do not regret buying that KV-2 for less than half of the Tamiya KV-2.

>>47521782
Eh, I'm in Japan, so I can just pop over to the local shop to get Tamiya stuff. I'll check out Hobby Boss though.

>>47521768
Yeah, they've got a decent British selection, and some good Western stuff - but it's really lacking compared to their more extensive 1/35 line.

>>47521763
Just watch out, a lot (some?) of the soviet tanks don't have the die-cast bottom, just some weights to put in the hull.

>>47521866
>Eh, I'm in Japan, so I can just pop over to the local shop to get Tamiya stuff.

well, in that case..

>but it's really lacking compared to their more extensive 1/35 line.

Their entire 1/48 line is lacking compared to 1/35 to be honest. But thats only logical since they started it only "recently" compared to 1/35.

> a lot (some?) of the soviet tanks don't have the die-cast bottom

That is a good thing for some people i think. I read many times that guys dislike the metal lower hull.
As far as i know they started using weights instead of the die cast hull only recently.
I think around kit no. 60.

From the kits i have laying around:
Panzer 4 H, Achilles M10, both Marder 3 kits, Sdkfz 251 and the 38(t) have no die cast hull. (the british Dingo scout, the soviet BA-64 and the soviet truck haven't got one neither but i'm not sure if older trucks and wheeled vehicles had one)

>>47519313
>holding a Sten by the magazine
Found the gang's resident idiot.

>>47522015
Out of curiosity, how ARE you supposed to hold it? It seems to me (with extremely little, to the point of no, experience with guns) that there is a certain lack of parts to hold it with.

>>47522036
some had wooden foregrips, or at least according to PSC's paratroopers they did.

>>47522069
>>47522036
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sten

Stens (and MP-40s) were held at the mag all the time.

>>47514186
>>47492599
>>47493093
>>47491741
>the time has come and so have I
>oh fuck my sides

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>>47522036
>>47522095
That's fine on the MP40, but with the Sten it cause problems.

>Firing the Sten by grasping the magazine with the supporting hand tended to wear the magazine catch, altering the angle of feed and causing a failure to feed - the correct method of holding the weapon was as with a rifle, the left hand cradling the fore piece.

>>47522036
I believe the proper technique was to grasp it by the magazine-well, or to cup the hand under the breech with fingers either side of the barrel/shroud. As >>47522118 cites, holding the magazine itself was almost begging for a stoppage - either by altering the feed angle or by squeezing the rounds in the (double-stack/single-feed) magazine out of their proper staggering.

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>>47522118
>>47522095
Introduced in 1944, the Mk V was essentially a better-quality, more elaborate version of the Mk 2. Changes included a wooden pistol grip, a vertical wooden fore grip, a wooden stock, and a bayonet mount.

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>>47522145
>bayonet mount.

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>>47522112
For future reference

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>>47522159
It is not a British firearm without a bayonet to stick it up 'em.

>>47522190
"They don't like it up 'em!"

>>47522190
Utterly bizare, but I kind of like it

>>47522225
Brits even bayonet charged Taliban in Afghanistan, and utterly wrecked them.

>>47522174
das it mane

>>47519313
> releasing a long jet of brown Dutch bogwater

Is that a euphemism?

>>47521966
>I read many times that guys dislike the metal lower hull.

Weird, I love the added weight.

>>47522512
I don't like the added price.

>>47522460
No it's a standard part of life in the Netherlands

>>47522565
What added price is that?
These kits are just as cheap as others in that scale, even cheaper than some brands.

While i love the weight (you probably could beat someone to death with the king tiger) i don't like that i have to use super glue

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>>47522264
Proud of countrymen.

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>>47522671
>not an SA80
It it Her Majesty's preferred weapon for the placing of a cap in the arse of one's enemies

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>>47521616

I *knew* I kept this image for a reason.

>>47523069
what is going on here?

>>47523131
Japan is happening.

>>47522264
Still not up there with the Ghurkha using a fucking tripod...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipprasad_Pun

>>47523356
Fucking mobile links, man.

>>47523142
Nope, its just a games fair. You will see girls in similar dresses on the gamescom in germany or the e3 in america as well.

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>>47522264

Not to hate on the Brits, but "charge" is a bit of a misnomer, and certainly evokes the wrong imagery. All accounts describe the troops firing and maneuvering in their teams as normal; it's just that they happened to have bayonets fixed at the time.

>>47524769
I was under the apprehension they'd run out of ammo by that point.

>>47521533
I legit want to meet that antifa, already seems like a cool dude from your description.

Guys, what exactly are "Ospreys" in the mediafire folder?

>>47526069
https://ospreypublishing.com/

>>47526069
Osprey is a publisher of (mostly) military/historical books.

>>47526103
>>47526110
Oh, okay, got it.
A /toy/ anon sent me here to look for reference books, I'm mostly interested in British armour, since I'm building a Staghound Mk. 3 at the moment. It's pretty adorable and I have a desie to know more, about the preferable camo patterns for example.

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>>47526163
look no further, OP has you covered.

>Vanguard Series
>159 - Staghound Armored Car 1942 - 62

>>47521476
I'm won't try and push the post I made yesterday for any further discussion - I'm not interested in derailing the thread over my petty LGS problems - but this is stupid. I'm sure you're much better at divining the truth of the group's dynamics from my brief description than I am from having gone there each week, though.

One of the guys has a keychain that's a motherfucking double siegrune within an iron cross. The only way they're less than serious is if they're playing an elaborate practical joke where they spend several weeks trying to convince the new guy that they're all Nazis.

And I will get over it, in the event that I can't find anywhere else to play. I was just interested to find out if other people on /tg/ experience this, which they apparently do not. I won't bring it up again, I guess.

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>>47526463
>The only way they're less than serious is if they're playing an elaborate practical joke where they spend several weeks trying to convince the new guy that they're all Nazis

I think I know what I'm trying next time we get a newbie at our group

>>47526324
>>47526163
i just realized that it isn't in the OP mediafire directory for ww2 stuff. I probably downloaded it elsewhere myself.
I uploaded it for you Anon:
http://pastebin.com/5Z03aVJD
(it includes an link to a filehoster that 4chan considers as spam)

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>>47522762
>even the Queen can't fire a real gun in Shariastan

Would have liked to try a Pike and Shot game. Anyone here tried Pike & Shotte? Any impressions?

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>>47526514
And here I was wondering if I'm blind and can't find it in that folder.
Much obliged, anon.

>>47526585
>filename

Ah well, sometimes /hwg/ can be quite helpful.

>>47509205
Could you find it? Like I said, it should be in the folder.

>>47518934
>3 veteran king tigers and two volksturm?

nah, some crazy sob sold me a jagdtiger for 10 bucks.

>>47521866
>Eh, I'm in Japan, so I can just pop over to the local shop to get Tamiya stuff. I'll check out Hobby Boss though.


Aaah it's you. I do love me some diecast tank action from tamtam though.

Odd question, but I'm moving to Buffalo NY soon and I'm wondering if any of you know if there's any wargaming scene over there.

I gotta decide if I bring my minis with me or sell/store them.

>>47530910
>Buffalo is the state's second most populous city after New York City with 258,703 residents
At a guess I'd say there probably is.

>>47521866
eyyyy guy in Japan.

i move to kyushu in 4 days. any idea how i could find other gamers there? or even just how the scene is there.

>>47523356
Dont forget that gurkha who was court marshalled
>bounty on taliban HVT
>gurkha soldier heads out on patrol with unit
>returns to base
>enters COs tent
>dumps taliban HVTs severed head on COs table
>asks for reward
>court marshalled

GAY BRITIN

>>47530965
Hey, I'm up in Tokyo and I don't know what's going on in Kyushu - but - hit up the facebook Wargamers In Japan, or hit me up at [email protected] and we'll figure something out.

>>47522174
Noice.

>>47530945
I don't know, I went to NYC once and I couldn't find a single store that sold non warhammer minis.

>>47530990
You shoot the cunt, not act like a fucking savage.

>>47531007
thanks mate. you wouldn't be a chap named erik i added on line by chance?

>>47531160
That's me, yeah.

>>47531060
He did, they were under fire and needed to pull back. Command wanted a body to ID which wasn't feasible, hence the decapitation. He was court marshaled for not respecting the feels of the Taliban.

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>>47522159
>bayonet mount.
You would be amazed how many things were built with one.

>>47531033
be the change you want to see in the world.

>>47531033
Just from a quick Google there's a few. Didn't see any with tables, but maybe patrician gamers in NYC realised that clubs are the way to play.

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>>47531322
Imagine...

>>47531316
I don't know the specifics of this case but I assume it was probably a Geneva Convention thing.

>>47531420
It was the "don't demean your enemies" stuff.

>>47531417
Is /k/ basically full of windowlickers?

>>47530965
>>47531007
This is ripe for an online gaming solution.
>other Toyko here.

>>47531492
only as much as every other board

>>47531730
You're out on the East side of the city, right?
One of these days I've got to head back over to Arrows to get some fancy Bolt Action dice.

>>47531730
>>47531791
guessing from these posts there are at least 3 of us in Japan.

im pretty happy to learn this. who else is working a shitty ALT job?

>>47531472
And he was cleared of all charges.

Also guns are legal here. I work in a gun shop. Shit like this is why I haven't been on /k/ for nearly a year now.

>>47522264
The bayonet talk reminds me of a story our groups grog-father told about one of his classmates experience in Vietnam.

>Patrolling thru four foot tall elephant grass
>VC pops up about two foot away from him, what do?
>Butt stroke to the head, move.
>Bayonet affixed for the rest of tour out of paranoia.

>>47531880
I'm aware of this bongman.

>>47531880
Well, if he was cleared, the system works.

>>47531842
confirmed.

between lessons.
>4chan
>not getting contract renewed next year.
>kek desu

>>47531842
>>47532543

So we're 3/3(?) then?

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>>47509205
http://www.mediafire.com/download/kp9p7t3fo1k97o6/SAGA+-+Age+Of+The+Wolf.pdf

>>47526514
>>47526585
I'm sure I had uploaded it recently, but I must have deleted it when reorganizing files. I usually spare on the Vanguard titles unless someone's specifically looking for them.

LAV-75

>>47526561
yeah its great! AI is pretty pro though so prepare to do your best and still lose!

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>>47531791
>>47531842
>>47532575

Tokyo is quite small, but getting across it after work for anything meaningful is a Herculean effort sometimes. Saying that, I am organising an RPG session for a Friday in June.

>pic related AWOL discussion. Back OT.

Yes, Bolt Action at Arrows. Tanks from TamTam amongst others (BIC Camera had the Cromwell).

How could we /HWG/ using roll20 or hangouts? Has it been done?

>implying other systems haven't been used to facilitate online gaming.

>lazy

>>47526509
Thats actually fun idea, will try it too

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hex maps that may or may not be of any use to someone.
http://tao-of-dnd.wikispaces.com/Sheet+Maps

>can't upload the 20mb large file.

>>47534859
Still using the gmx email address?

>>47534966
Still have it yeah

>>47535104
Alright, to avoid clutter here, I'll send you an email.

>>47531420
The Geneva Convention is for those that respect it, but Talibans don't really give a shit.

>>47498533

I'm currently doing some research into Operation Downfall in order to do up a campaign for the Allied invasion of Japan. It's something different that lets people make use of stuff like Pershings and IS-3's that didn't see much action in WW2. Plus the whole idea of tactical nuclear warfare is something that's never really been explored.

>>47505135
what's on the wall? oars or garden tools?

>>47537232
pipe clamps. the one on the bottom, i think, is called auto clamp but i'm not sure.

>>47522118
that man is an absolute gremlin. i hope he was a war hero because no lady could love that face otherwise

>>47534836
I think he meant the Warlord ruleset, not the vidya.

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>>47536495
We had a good thread about Operation Downfall and the planned Soviet invasion of Hokkiado a month or two ago.

>>47537567
I remember that, did it get archived?

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>>47537718
This one, towards the end
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/45820460

>>47526531
The fuck are you talking about?
It is a real gun it's just mounted to a jig, probably because she's a little old lady who might not even be able to hold the thing safely

>>47537736

Ah yes, I was in that one too, it was that thread that really gave me the idea.

>>47537567 was posted, but I've really struggled to find some hard evidence that it was an actual plan as opposed to something someone thought up on alternatehistory. It may very well be real, but I'm just trying to source it.

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>>47537875
http://www.upa.pdx.edu/IMS/currentprojects/TAHv3/Content/PDFs/Operation_Downfall.pdf

>attached here

Thing is, how far back does alternatehistory go? Am I posting spurious crap?

>>47538532
https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/giangrec.htm

Transcript of "OPERATION DOWNFALL [US invasion of Japan]: US PLANS AND JAPANESE COUNTER-MEASURES" by D. M. Giangreco, US Army Command and General Staff College, 16 February 1998

Interesting reading, even if not real. Though it probably is.

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>>47537875
>>47538532
>>47538576
http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/MacArthur%20Reports/MacArthur%20V1/index.htm#contents


Reports of General MacArthur
THE CAMPAIGNS OF MACARTHUR IN THE PACIFIC VOLUME I

PREPARED BY HIS GENERAL STAFF

>>47538625
http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/cgsc/carl/download/csipubs/LP7_AugustStormTheSoviet1945StrategicOffensiveInManchuria.pdf

Material to inspire tabletop "what if" battles?

>gets the chits and hexes out

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>>47538691
>gets the chits and hexes out

There is a S&T covering the hypothetical invasion of Kyushu

http://www.mediafire.com/download/31fvlq67ba747qv/S%26T+045+-+Operation+Olympic.pdf

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Guys, what camo pattern does this look most similar to from your perspective? Some shade lighter than German Gray + whitewash winter camo?

>>47539190
Could be dirty white-wash over gray or some (lighter) green.

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So today is the Jutland centenary! What are you naval anons up to?

http://www.mediafire.com/download/z27puxajilfumfb/Osprey+-+CAM+072+-+Jutland+1916.pdf

>>47539551
Thinking I need to buy a blue sheet.

>>47539551
Did anyone watch the BBC program on it 2 nights ago.

I thought it was shit

>>47541722
I expected it to be shit so didn't.

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Jutland is interesting in a lot of ways.

How big a difference better damage control procedures can make for example. Or how you can take more casualties but still win a strategic victory.

Anyone checked out the new supplement for Chevauchee?

I have a question /HWG/

Would anyone have an problem with me rebasing Bolt Action minis with Games workshop 25mm bases? The Warlords ones rub me the wrong way.

>>47543538
i don't think so

>>47543538
It's a 25mm round base, and given the TLOS stuff, it hardly even matters that it's consistently that.

>>47543538
All my Bllt Action is already on GE bases. Bases don't really matter in BA

Is there a simple wargame that uses very few minis? Like a 5vs5 units type of game?

>>47544168
literally 5 men in normandy (or 5 core / 5 men in kursk)

>>47544168
check out 48 storm

http://www.48storm.com

its a ww2 skirmish game from italy.

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Are there any books you guys would suggest that talk about Roman/Latin/non Greek hoplite warfare?

>>47539190
Looks like an ugly finnish job to me, personally.

>>47526463
I suspect a lot of people just reacting to things and accusations we've seen in the past. Historical wargames are a much misunderstood hobby.

>>47544516
Check the Ancient folder in the OP, particularly the Osprey section.

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>Looking into HEAT rounds for our WW2 homebrew
>Changed the dynamic of WW2 completely
>Russians didn't seem to use them in tanks
>Russians had HEAT AT grenades, thats about it
>US didn't seem to use them in tanks either
>US Had the M20 recoilless rifle in 1945, and of course bazookas from about 1942
>Germans had HEAT up the wazoo. short barrel 75mm on tanks/assault guns from ~1942, riflegrenades on FG-42 fallschirmjager rifles from 1942. pak38s converted to fire riflegrenade-ish things, 75mm on the Panzer IV H onwards and StuGIIIF
>Brits had the PIAT riflegrenade from about 1942
>Most nations had some kind of rocket launcher with HEAT from about 1943, either lend lease or not.
>Japanese had average riflegrenades and a few other HEAT weapons thanks to german design sharing, also used on their mountain howitzers (man portable howitzer)

So, does anyone know if US or British even used HEAT rounds in their tanks during WW2? the info I can find shows they mostly used APDS and APCBC high velocity rounds, which still had great penetration and range. But I'm interested if HEAT rounds were used in any great number worthy of implementation in our game.

If anyone has any info, thanks! Implementation of HEAT is going to be a game changer in late war, making heavy tanks much easier to destroy (it effectively ignores armor). Which in turn will make them cheaper... which means more heavy tanks! Also it will help infantry deal with heavy tanks in mid and late war. Seeing as your average shitty panzerfaust could penetrate 80-100mm, and all the descriptions of bazookas and rocket launchers I've found say that an infantryman could destroy any tank on the battlefield with one, It makes sense.

As much as I would like to leave HEAT out and stick with our tried and true ~5 years of playtesting and points adjustment. It seems like I can't really ignore it. Huge impact on the war.

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>>47551266
I don't think it would help that much tank wise, at least how you think. Most of the heats used in ww2 were pretty primitive, most of them had a penetration of 100mm and had bad ballistics.

It could be useful for early war games were panzers need the extra help against t34 and kv1 and the same for old equipement like pak37 and panzer iii n at late war.

>>47551266
If i am not wrong the allies used heats on their self propelled guns and things like the 105 sherman.

>>47554710
105mm's yes, did use HEAT. We already count them as howitzers that ignore armor anyway though so no need to change them.

Just had a good game of Russians vs Werhmacht. It was late war, Wehrmacht had a king tiger, 2 PZ.IIIs with short 75mms firing HEAT rounds, and a PZ.IVJ with HEAT also. Their army also had some infantry, a flak88, a Panther and a few kubelwagons.
Soviets had 12 bases of infantry, 5 T-34/85s and 2 Katyusha trucks, as well as 2 GAZ-67 jeeps.

The katyushas fired first turn, destroying the panther and wiping a base of infantry before either could do anything. They spent the rest of the game reloading (essentially count as a one-off rocket barrage in our game).
The soviets advanced on the central objective, and while all the T-34s were destroyed by about turn 4, the infantry clung to life in a building, and were able to miraculously secure the objective.

The HEAT rounds from the PZ.IIIs and IVs didn't really mean shit against my T-34/85, if I had taken heavy tanks like IS-2's or KV-1s they would have mattered, but 45mm is fuck all for a 75mm gun, regardless of ammo.

My Infantry's rocket launchers (likely US lend-lease bazookas) were where we saw a bit of HEAT action, they were able to destroy a PZ.IV J from the front (80mm of armor), and given the right conditions would have been able to even destroy the King Tiger (the conditions weren't right, and the were mown down by the king tiger and the supporting infantry before this happened).

Certainly good to see infantry at least having a chance against heavy tanks, as long as they get within about 100m. It was a good game!

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Is there any reason Age of the Wolf wouldn't work with Crescent and the Cross?

I've had a cursory skim through my copy when it arrived this morning and it seems like you could just change the names of some stuff (heroes of the viking age, sons of odin etc, etc).

I'm thinking about using the campaign system to get my mates interested in saga and I think they'd prefer C&C.

>>47555140
Nice, that sound that it was a pretty fun battle. i don't see the reason to use heat on a panzer iv with long 75, the normal ap is enough to pen is2 at close/mid range if that isn't the case with the system you use i am pretty sure apcr would be a better option.

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Uploaded this for an anon in the /fow/ general and figured I might as well post it here too.

Universal Carrier 1936–48 (Osprey New Vanguard 110)

The Universal Carrier was a fast, lightly armed vehicle developed by the British Army to carry infantry across ground defended by small-arms fire, specifically the Bren light machine gun, hence the name ‘Bren Gun Carrier'. This name would stick with the Universal Carrier and all of its future variants. This book details the Carrier, which was employed in a number of roles including carrying ammunition and towing anti-aircraft guns and trailers. All Allies used the Universal Carrier extensively during practically every World War II campaign. By the war's end, the Universal Carrier had proved itself to be an invaluable and successful cross-country vehicle that was both agile and fast for its time.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/udtmnl3nmn0rdmb/Osprey+-+NVA+110+-+Universal+Carrier+1936%E2%80%9348.pdf

>>47556365
yep the standard 75mm can penetrate an IS-2 at medium or close range, especially late war with their nice PzGn 40 ammo.

In fact I fucked it up, the Pz. IV J shouldn't be firing HEAT rounds at all, those were mostly fired from the short barrel 75mm from the Pz.IV F and StuGIII F

Pz.IV J should be firing PzGn 40 ammunition, with far superior armor piercing than a HEAT round from a short 75mm, up to about 1500m where the HEAT round just sneaks ahead (doesn't care about low velocities at long range)

Supposedly the Wehrmacht specially converted Pz IIIs and IVs to fire HEAT rounds, turning their ineffective short 75mm guns into something that could actually destroy a heavy tank.

>>47531060
poof

Just gonna start playing some historicals and was thinking of buying some medieval figures from zvezda-italeri what system should I start from, saga seems ok and I've found osprey's lion rampant to be interesting but cant be sure

>>47557409
Try Chevauchee! It's pretty simple to pick up and it's got a tonne of potential. I think the designer hangs around in these threads.

I've been running one of the narrative campaign systems as an Anglo-Saxon noble defending his holdings against the vikings and it's been a tonne of fun.

>>47557687
so little amount of figures for my taste but I'll give it a try mate, thanks!

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does anyone have a link for Empire In Flames (Bolt Action) I don't see it in the wanted list but it's also not in the BA folder?

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>>47558174
Not something we have yet anon

>>47558247
thanks for the info!

>>47557920
Lords&Servants could work too.

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New Victrix phalangites, better than the Warlord ones imo.

>Please note that these are test shots and the small sink holes and ragged shields are being corrected in the tool room as we speak. The shields were too thin hence why they are not "filling" correctly.

>>47560332
>>47560353
Are the shields meant to have those holes in them?

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There's also a set for hypaspists coming.

>>47560400

See >>47560311

>>47560408
Nevermind guess I'm just dumb.

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So, have y'all seen this?

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1253.html

RAND Corp. apparently conducted a bunch of tabletop games in 2014 and 2015 to gauge NATO's ability to resist a Russian blitz at the Baltic states. It's an interesting read.

Here are the key findings, as blurbed by RAND:

>Across multiple games using a wide range of expert participants in and out of uniform playing both sides, the longest it has taken Russian forces to reach the outskirts of the Estonian and/or Latvian capitals of Tallinn and Riga, respectively, is 60 hours.
>Such a rapid defeat would leave NATO with a limited number of options, all bad.
>A force of about seven brigades, including three heavy armored brigades — adequately supported by airpower, land-based fires, and other enablers on the ground and ready to fight at the onset of hostilities — could suffice to prevent the rapid overrun of the Baltic states.
>While not sufficient to mount a sustained defense of the region or to achieve NATO's ultimate end state of restoring its members' territorial integrity, such a posture would fundamentally change the strategic picture as seen from Moscow.
>While this deterrent posture would not be inexpensive in absolute terms, it is not unaffordable, especially in comparison with the potential costs of failing to defend NATO's most exposed and vulnerable allies.

What do y'all think?

>>47544516
osprey has a book on centurions throughout the ages, i'd recommend it, it's got plemnty on Etruscans/Romans and their Greek influences.

There is also a book on hoplites

>>47561810
I'm not convinced the Russian air force would be able to support such a push. The increased amount of interception flights and show of force stuff has already resulted in planes falling out of the sky semi-regularly, and I don't think the Syrian operation is anything, but a best case scenario.

>>47561810

If the US wanted to go toe to toe with the US, they would do this. The US would have superior air power, but Russia would have the land advantage. Leading to a stalemate where the land they are fighting over would become a no man's land.

More importantly, Russia would have to spend way more money. Not only that, Russia learned a lesson from the USSR. If the population you conquered does not like you, production plummets significantly. Imposing a puppet dictator is good for short term gains, not long term. And Russia trying to conquer land would require a long term plan.

Russia invading stable states that enjoy their governments would be a bad idea, because then Russia would have to fight Guerrillas. And in the modern military environment, you can't defeat guerrillas. You can't hold land against guerrillas. I mean you can, but you might as well just burn all your money and resources and soldiers. Also, they'll lose morale.

Having a military means shit if you can't unite your newly conquered lands.

This is the reason the US lost Iraq. They hired mercenary groups that committed warcrimes, and let Abu Ghrab fuck up like it did. This turned the Iraqi population against the US, and made the Iraqi government vote for the US to leave.

>>47562797
>The US would have superior air power, but Russia would have the land advantage. Leading to a stalemate where the land they are fighting over would become a no man's land.
The article actually argues that because of the weakness of Baltic forces the Russians would be able to move fast enough to really avoid any serious damage from air cover.

>>47562797
>The US would have superior air power

The article argues that while NATO's air power would eventually win out, the Russians would still be able to buy for time in the air, creating "pockets of space and time" where they could conduct ground operations free from harassment.

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>>47561810
>A force of about seven brigades, including three heavy armored brigades — adequately supported by airpower, land-based fires, and other enablers on the ground and ready to fight at the onset of hostilities — could suffice to prevent the rapid overrun of the Baltic states.
That's completely wrong though. The wargame pulls a number out of its ass (27-ish battalions of Russians). That's like 11,000 dudes as far as I can tell. The Russians put 50,000 men on the Ukrainian border with no issue at all, and Ukraine can barely fight a paper bag They do regular exercises with 100,000 soldiers. The 27 battalion number is based on the concept that Russia would trigger WW3 but only spend 10 days planning for it. They picked 10 days because any longer amount of prep time would make seven NATO brigades grossly inadequate.

Basically take the number of NATO soldiers Rand wants and add at least one zero to the end. At least. Consider as well that the Baltic airspace is covered by an immense number of Russian air defense systems. It would take weeks to clear that shit, and there's no reason to believe that seven brigades would have the capacity to survive that long alone against a Russia of dudes.

tl;dr the Baltics are indefensible in WW3 and our job is to reclaim them. Adding more men to the initial deployment will just increase the body count.

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>>47568524
>tfw it's been nearly three months since Tinytanks updated
I guess it does take a lot of time to do his thing

>>47531492
if you ignore all the traps, fags and dragon dildo owners it's quite decent

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>>47570200
Don't forget people who don't understand that different weapon systems have roles.

>wheeled support guns cannot fight tanks, they are shit

And the guys with their pet theories.

>deploy tanks by glider into mountain regions
>tanks with guns are obsolete, VLS missile tanks are the future
>all vehicles should use an MBT chassis, what is logistics?

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>>47570602
>deploy tanks by glider into mountain regions
That sounds like something Cobra Commander would reject for being too outré

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>>47570921
His idea was that light infantry are unable to achieve anything by themselves, helicopters are too vulnerable to be useful and tanks cannot drive into mountainous areas easily. The last part was the only thing he got right.

So his solution was heavy gliders to drop tanks into said mountains. And then he thought you could land the glider tow planes and extract the tanks in the same gliders afterwards, again in the mountains. Not light tanks either, 70 ton M1A2's.

>>47571093
But infantry in helicopters are great for mountains.

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>>47571226
People on /k/ have tried to tell him that every time he shows up.

That would be a hilarious wargame scenario though. The US forces deploy airborne Abrams against the Taliban in the mountains of Afghanistan.

In Saga, are there any rules for spears vs swords? I got the Gripping Beast set, but not sure how many men to arm with each.

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>>47571324
Its just a 'hand weapon'. So you can go by what seems more historical, what looks cooler or with use in other games in mind.

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http://watchs.me/how-its-made/how-its-made-season-27-episode-1.html

The episode with the Perry twins and Renedra.

>>47571324

Saga is very beer & pretzels and doesn't differentiate between melee weapons except for dane axes.
You can use spears, sword and axes however you want.

>>47571430
>>47571443
Awesome thanks. Anyone got any sources on what Mercian hearthguards and warriors (assumedly thegns and ceorls (probably mostly geneteas)) used? Already got the Ospreys from the folder, but those are generic Dark Ages or Saxon sources.

I'm considering the hearthguards with swords and the warriors with spears because I just bought the GBP Thegns box and I need some way to differentiate them.

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>>47571519
Well the metal models have the warriors lacking mail which is due to the normal warriors being less wealthy.

The problem with those plastic boxes is they give you 40 guys in mail when you can have at most 24 Hearthguards. That is why they do a 50/50 split deal with the Dark Age Warriors box on their website so you end up with about 20 of each.

If you only have guys in mail then giving them swords which were still pretty damn expensive at the time is a good option.

>>47571701
Yeah that's why I'm not making any levies (fyrd) from them, but warriors could feasibly have mail. I'm planning a 1 Warlord, 4 Hearthguard, 12 Warrior, and 12 Warrior split for my 4 point starting warband. So I need a way to differentiate my 4 Hearthguards, and I was thinking of giving them swords, and the 24 Warriors spears. Would that work?

It seems as if I have 4 of the sprue with 10 warriors on it, and each one has 4 swords, 4 axes, and 8 spears. So it works logistically.

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:^)

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>>47571843
That would work fine.

>>47571934
>blurred out confederate flag
Interesting

>>47511970
Hit up GQ3 in the mediafire. It's some charts, but not overwhelmingly so.

>>47571934
I've spent enough time on 4chan to know this is the point we all type cuck

KEK

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>>47539551
Unfortunately, I didn't get to do shit. I would have like to have attended a game a few hours away that someone was running in GQ3 Action Imminent. Hopefully they're gonna post pics soon so I can at least take a gander later.

>>47571968
Please blurr out that flag. This is very offensive, these people raped and pillaged my ancestors.

Do you guys sell figures you don't use?

I haven't so much as got my 10mms out of their box for 7 months and am considering moving them on, but I don't know if I'll regret it.

>>47575981
I don't sell but I certainly buy, half my collection is second hand.

>>47570602
>>47570921
>>47571093
>>47571226
Gliderfag is one of tamer ones, i think it's some shitposter who got inspired by Sparky who had the serious idea to field winged and flying M113 (which he calls "Gavins" for some reason)

and of course there is Antman...

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>>47579473
He was actually being serious? I thought that was a god damn joke.

>>47579473
>winged and flying M113
A Universal Gavin?

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Its funny how much stuff people have added to these.

>>47579473
>i think it's some shitposter who got inspired by Sparky

That can't be real. Must be a troll.

>>47579473
>and of course there is Antman...

I keep hearing about this guy on /k/ but I've never seen him. What the fuck?

>>47585103
>I keep hearing about this guy on /k/ but I've never seen him. What the fuck?
One fucked up guy and then people who mimicked him for trolling purposes.

>>47506319
Fuck off. People who complain about "blogposting" are the worst, especially when it's valid to the conversation at hand.

>>47585161
no people who defend irrelevant rants are the worst

>>47506319
I bought a load of 6mm Desert Rats, while painting them it did occur to me that these represented actual people who actually fought and potentially died in armed conflict.

Weird feeling seeing that my great grandfather was in the 7th Armored.

>>47506270
>or the merits of national/racial separatism.

That just went from delusional wehraboo to actual white supremacists. I wouldn't go there anymore without a gun.

In fact, don't go there at all.

Hey lads. It's the centenary of the Brusliov Offensive, I figure that might make a corker of a theme for the next thread. Eastern Front WW1 never gets enough love.

>>47585803
>being afraid of Nazis
What would you say if his club was full of LBGT Hillary Clinton apologists and voters instead? What if they actually used the word "cis" in real life?

>>47585835
STOP

>>47585835

Spoken like someone who's never held off a gang of skinheads with a 1911 before.

>>47505375

I've literally never felt like that. I do get attached to "my men" (in an autistic sort of way) and feel responsible if casualties are overly heavy (again, autistic inner monologue RPing), but I don't really connect them to real people — they're pieces of metal/plastic. I've also met a lot of vets who wargame (seems to be one of a handful of hobbies where veterans are overrepresented) so, although I've never thought about it, I guess I just kind of semiconsciously assumed nobody whose opinion mattered to me cared about it.

Of course, I used to feel bad when people died in movies, but I did grow out of that eventually...

>>47585829

Speaking of which what's a good book for reading up on the Eastern Front in WW1? It seems to be completely devoid of scholarship which is damn frustrating as I'd rate it as at least as interesting as the Western Front.

>>47585835
>cringey naziboos
>outspoken social justice warriors

honestly, at least the former has a reason to be playing BA and wont shit down my neck for wanting to recreat rorke's drift

>>47585966
I'll check my folders when I get home. I know there is a good Osprey Combat that covers the theatre. The thing was, of course, that the Soviets had no interest in commentating the Czarists, and the German histories were ignored, so the entire front virtually disappeared from the popular narrative. It's like "there was Tannenburg and the Revolution and that's it"; and God forbid anyone recall the Caucasus Front. The Brusilov Offensive is probably the most significant achievement the Russians had in WW1, and Brusilov himself is one of the few generals from that entire conflict to really display some genius.

>>47586243

Cheers. I remember first reading about the Soviet-Polish war a while back in one of these threads and being utterly astonished; I'd known about the Russian civil war but I'd had no idea that if a battle or two had gone another way, the Soviets would have had a border with Germany as opposed to Poland in 1939, and just how much of a difference that might have made to world history. Plus the potential for wargaming on the Eastern Front and Russian Civil War seems pretty broad; everything from cavalry charges to trench warfare, tanks to Western troops intervening.

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>>47586061
>Want to play Gurkhas
>Appropriating them into my fighting force
>mfw

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>>47560311
>>47560332
>>47560353
>>47560367
>>47560408
>>47560429

I already have a box of WLG Phalangites but I've been eagerly awaiting this announcement since they released the renders back in November(?) or whenever it was.

Kinda disappointed that it'll be 27 to a box (post on TMP by one of the Victrix guys had said they planned to release 48-fig boxes) but still planning to buy em.

I'm also not entirely happy about the static pose but I know a lot of people prefer it to WLG's various stages of lowered sarissas. The deciding factor of whether I just buy one of each set to have or build the army around them will be how many head variants there are per box (Hypaspist sprue only shows 6, of which half are corinthian hoplite helmets that you can't really use for Phalangites/Hypaspists).

It'd also be great if these end up scaling well with WLG so I could mix componenets/figures from the sets for variety (rear ranks victrix/raised pose, WLG/lowered pikes for front ranks, plus command figs which WLG doesnt come with), but I won't hold my breath.

Also literally dying for plastic companion cavalry, have to wait until after stupid EIR for em.

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>>47586469

Also,
>dose kitbashing possibilities...

>>47586922

those things always creep me out, they make me think of like flying insects

>>47586922
>Flying through power lines
I sure hope those are confirmed phone lines, or that the thing is laser tracked instead of wire controlled!

This could be bumping post, but we are far ahead of limit.
New thread anyone?

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>>47587633
Working on it now
Doesn't hurt to let the old one 404 first

>>47572862
Thanks! I will!

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New thread: >>47588341

>>47585803
> I wouldn't go there anymore without a gun.

I assume you are black then?

Why would you care about the political believes of others as long as they play along the rules of the games they are playing?