>My character is a Grey Jedi who is too cool for rules and

>>47344045
I dunno, the Sun Crusher was pretty fucking retarded

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>>47344045
Oh would you just look at the time!

>>47344064
I'd argue that Dark Sun was stupider. Sun Crusher had an interesting concept, Dark Sun was just "what would happen if we took three of the Death Star's giant dick lasers and strapped them together?"

>>47344064

I don't have that big of a problem with weird one-off technology.

In fact, the edgy pilot of the Sun Crusher was worse than the damn thing he piloted, in my opinion.

>>47344045
The Emperor having like 9+ clones of himself, and being able to Force Lightning an entire planet at once was worse.

>hey dm, my character has a +35 in treat injury and about 15 lightsabers

>>47344045
Which one? There are quite a few characters who fit that description.

>>47344140
>implying UNLIMITED POOOOWAAAAAHHHHH isn't the best thing ever

I actually don't know if Palpatine still had his smile in EU or not.

That smile was worth protecting.

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>>47344045
Letting people make whatever they want in a Star Wars game is always a goddamn disaster. You always end up with twi'lek ex-sith ex-slave grey Jedi with twin lightsabers that connect to form a double lightsaber, with one black blade and one white blade, and one end has the Solari crystal and the other has the Kaiburr crystal (the entire thing, not just a shard), and she's a strong independent lesbian who don't need no man

>>47344162
>Implying throwing all his points into support and wealth is a bad thing.

>>47344215
Tell me there's something in the rules where I can tell all this Mary Sue nonsense to fuck off.

Besides just "I'm the GM, go fuck yourself".

>>47344215
I just played a guy with a gun and a knoif.

Not even a jetpack. He was an innawoods style motherfucker. Obviously he was better in a ship than on the ground because loljedi and shit, but you know, he could gut motherfuckers.

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>>47344215

>>47344215
I played a Stormtrooper.
I shot shit. Not accurately, but I did shoot shit.

>>47344215
>Mary sue faggots ruined playing MANdos for everyone
I'm still mad

>>47344215

I got upset just reading that shit, Jesus Christ.

>>47344045
Sounds like a 15 year old.

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[trigger warning]

Old EU was great for the laughs, then you hit the new EU and the tears keep rolling

>>47344045
I feel like Grey Jedi should be a sort of prestige class that you can get by being a bad motherfucker like Windu.

>>47344308
The game in playing in is set in between the prequels and the other films, so I managed to convince one of the guys to play a clone trooper, then I also made a clone trooper. We're from the same unit, have nicknames, it's very fun.

>>47344275
loljedi can really make the non-force half of the party feel like shit.

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>Mandalorian Grey Jedi

>>47344215
>always wanted to play a jedi who uses a blaster and lightsaber at the same time
Does this make me edgy?

>>47344215
>strong independent lesbian who don't need no man

Strong independent transgender lesbian of color who don't need no man.

Get it fucking straight, shitlord!

>>47344275
Learn well the lessons of Master HK-47, and you too can sneer at the Force wielding meatbags.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPeI4mX8Nus

>>47344427
I got back at them by being the character with the most sith kills before his death standing at 12.

3 of which he did with his knoif. The rest were ship combat because his gunnery was top-fucking notch. And then he got spaced when the shields went down in the hangar bay of a sith warship.

Sad days.

>>47344423
Our game was set during the Rebellion. I was just a regular ass Stormtrooper, not even a clone, to retired. I don't know if the EU says Stormtroopers aren't allowed to retire or not, but retirement seemed possible to me.

We kinda ran around the Outer Rim and had adventures. I was not a good shot, but I was damn good at setting explosives. A LOT of problems can be solved with proper application of explosives.

>>47344427
This is why when I run SW I make it a rule that either everyone is a Jedi, or nobody is, with nothing in-between.

I remember in my last SW Saga game a few years ago, I ran it as a Jedi Academy type of game. I actually removed Jedi as a class, added some prerequisites to their talent trees, and gave everyone Force Sensitive and gave them a few Force-related talents or feats for free every few levels to reflect their Jedi training. It meant they could build an interesting non-Jedi character who was useful outside of lightsaber combat and Force use, but still get to play the chosen one.

>>47344482
It makes you pragmatic and efficient, not edgy. If I were GMing a Saga game and you asked for that, I'd dig out the book that has feats that actually let you do that.

Nothing of value was lost when Disney purged the EU.

>>47344501
Who retired*
Where the fuck did that "to" come from?

>>47344482

Yes, because a light-saber is specifically designed to be a defensive weapon.

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>>47344513
Unironically this

>>47344486
>LGBT in Star Wars
I miss Lucas' old "there is no homosexuality in star wars" motif

>>47344244
It is when you graft them all into a sith clone that is not even the main bad guy of his own book.

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>find the wookiepedia of literally any background character from the films
>they're a bounty hunter/mercenary/jedi in hiding

>>47344512
You can run Jedi and non-Jedi if the non-Jedi know what to expect. I had one campaign where I played a wookie jedi, with a mon calamari ambassador type, an assassination droid, a protocol droid and one man with a big gun.

We all had fun.

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>>47344600
Nah, m8. ur a feg

>>47344527
>Yes, because a light-saber is specifically designed to be a defensive weapon.

I don't see how that promises edginess. The idea I had was someone who mostly used the saber to defend at long range and fire with his gun. In combat he'd try to occupy his enemy's saber while sneaking in a shot or two.

Another idea was someone using a saber resistant gauntlet as a shield while using a saber. Thorin style.

>>47344590
>one man with a big gun.
The most fun way to play Starwars to be honest.

>>47344639
His deal was he wanted to do one last job before retiring and converting his ship into a bar.

His target? Assassinate the emperor.

>>47344567
What about Juhani and Lord Cytharat? Or Lana Beniko and Theron Shan? Or those gay Mandalorians?

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>>47344600

>>47344701

Bioware shit doesn't count.

>>47344701
Juhani at least had the advantage of being written by Bioware back when they were still good.

>>47344482
Not if you're a pirate.

>>47344701
>Bioware characters

Juhani was alright because you can't guess it and she was a minority. But the rest? Fuck that. I wanna play swashbuckling laserswords, not deal with gay shit.

>>47344486
That colour may be green, but the point still stands.

>>47344750
Person of space, perhaps?

>>47344045
>Literally the worst concept to come out of the EU.

you mean from the movies?

>Luke
>force chokes when necessary
>Yoda
>shoots force lightning

In the fucking movies, literally no one is corrupted by "dark side powers."

>>47344766
The idea of Jedi using "dark side" powers isn't bad. The idea of "neutral, gray jedi" is retarded, though.

>>47344766
>shoots force lightning
I thought he redirected Dooku's lightning, not made his own

And when does Luke Force Choke someone?

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>>47344045
Maybe it's for the best that the EU is no longer canon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo

>>47344801
In episode 3, at Jabba's place.

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>>47344045
4chan in a nutshell:
> Playing a Jedi = AUTISTIC
> Playing a Sith = EDGE LORD
> Playing a Grey Jedi = AUTISTIC
> Playing Non-Jedi or Sith force user and being non human common species = SPECIAL SNOW FLAKE
> Playing an uncommon species = SPECIAL SNOW FLAKE
> Playing Human = POWER GAMER or BLAND UNORIGINAL CHARACTER
> Playing a twilek = AUTISTIC FAPER
> Playing a non-enslaved twilek = SPECIAL SNOW FLAKE FAPER
> Playing any type of game = AUTISTIC

If 4Chan were a sentient being it would have schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder.
And i'm ok with that, its funny as shit.

>>47344835

Did you miss the confrontation between Luke, Vader and the Emperor?

Luke realized that he was falling down the same path as his father by his aggression and usage of the Dark Side, so he fucking THREW AWAY HIS WEAPON, showing that he would rather die than fall.

Luke rejected the Dark Side of the Force and, only at that moment, did the Emperor acknowledge him as a Jedi.

>>47344891
>4chan is one person
This meme needs to stop

>>47344906
Yeah, but he didn't act out during force joking a bitch. He DID act out when flipping out and wailing on Vader.

>>47344891
>4Chan
Hello, Reddit.

>>47344920

Did you miss the part where Yoda warns him that the Dark Side is insidious and easy to miss until it is too late?

Luke was falling to the Dark Side and only realized how far he had fallen when he saw his father's mechanical hand and realized how close he came to repeating what happened.

>>47344766
The whole point of that was that Luke was starting to veer dangerously close to the dark side, and Yoda only reflected the lightning.

And the idea of grey jedi as asshats that play a balancing act with the dark side is mostly a fan invention. All the actual "grey jedi" I can recall were very much against the dark side, they just disagreed with the jedi order's rules for one reason or another.

I remember when tg wasn't shit

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>>47344045
The Force being divided into a light side and a dark side was the worst concept to come out of Starwars.

If you're a Jedi, you use the Force for good, and if you're a Sith, you use the Force for evil. None of that 'aescetesism vs emotion' bullcrap.
There is no reason why a Jedi shouldn't be able to Force Lightning an enemy drone, nor is there a reason why a Sith can't Force Heal his own wounds.

>>47345001
I like Luke's idea after the reformation that focusing on being nothing but a dogma adhering Jedi is a fast way to fall.

>>47345001
>And the idea of grey jedi as asshats that play a balancing act with the dark side is mostly a fan invention.
To be fair, almost the entirety of the EU could be considered a fan invention. That's why it's so easy (and necessary) to disregard huge chunks of it to make sense of the setting.

>>47345019
I was under the impression Force Lightning wasn't just zapping something with electricity, but literally your hateful and destructive urges manifesting through the Force.

>>47344766
I'm pretty sure Yoda was just catching the lighnting and shooting it back not generating his own but it's been awhile

>>47345012
this was never the case

>>47344501
>I was just a regular ass Stormtrooper
>I was not a good shot
Way to stick to character concept anon

>>47345060
It was worse than that. I started out with decent "skill" at shooting, wanting to be a sharpshooter.
I rolled for shit. But rolled well for explosives, so I focused my build on that.

>>47345033
His point is that the Force as representative of a ton of eastern philosophies is more fun than this bullshit "Jedi are perfect angels and Sith are pure demons" nonsense, and the better works of Star Wars are the works that trend towards the former.

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>>47344911
I notice you did nothing to refute the point and instead fell back on lel reddit maymay.

>>47345055
It at least wasn't this bad

>>47345033
The dark side isn't just hate, my man. It's emotions in general.

>>47345113
If you adhere to old, ineffective dogma then yes.

Dark Side isn't emotion. It's passion.

>>47345109
wrong post, ment for
>>47344945
but you're in denial too if you think >>47344891
is wrong in any way shape or form

>>47345019
I think the limit on what the dark side could do was only for games.

I think Sith are fully capable of using the force to heal.

>>47344513

We lost thrawn...

WE LOST THRAWN YOU FUCK!

>>47344527
So you're saying it's a perfectly logical decision for a Jedi to use a Lightsaber as a shield while using the blaster for offense?

>>47345147
KOTOR did let Sith heal with the Force, but it took more "Force Points" to do it if you weren't Light Side. Same with Jedi and Lightning.

>>47345147
Well, Darth Sion sort of confirms it can at least be used to keep yourself from dying.

And Darth Maul.

>>47345166
I know Thrawn was the villainous equivalent of a Mary Sue (is that still a Mary Sue or did our love of hairsplitting get it another one?). But I love the guy anyway, and hope he's one of the things they pull back in. We're already getting a Grand Admiral, I think, so there's hope.

>>47344482
That actually happens in Rebels.

>>47345166

Eh.

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>>47344513
Except for everything Kotor.

>>47345261
But we also lost Swotor.

So it balances out.

>>47345033
Exactly. A good force user should totally be able to consume their enemies in unrelenting hate. If a paladin can do it, why can't a Jedi?

>>47345261

It wasn't that good anyway. And the second one was an unfinished mess, despite what good it did for the franchise.

>>47345288
>despite what good it did for the franchise
Inserting Grey needlessly in a mostly White and Black universe isn't doing the franchise good.
You can have White and Black stories, you can have other kinds of stories. Inserting one into the other doesn't make the story better.

>>47345335

>opinions

It's gone anyway. Who cares?

>>47345288
KotOR II has some of the best writing in star wars, let alone the extended universe.
Also, occasionally it's oddly refreshing, even. When was the last time you played a game where all of your companion NPCs hated each others guts?

It's tragic that it was unfinished, but the restoration mod makes a colossal difference.

It's sad that the animation quality and combat have aged so badly, though.
Oh and there are a lot of really pointless quests in it. But it still beats the absolute shit out of Dragon Age: Inquisition on that metric.

>>47345335
Not to mention the lead writer misunderstood what the force actually is.

I'd be okay if it intended as Kreia being delusional, but Avellone clearly agreed with her.

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>>47345278
I don't know man, while Revan's character was butchered I honestly find Valkorian an interesting character (Up to Chapter 8, haven't gotten further). I also absolutely adored the Inquisitor and Warrior storylines, especially as the light sided honor bound Warrior causing people to commit suicide because "SITH CANT BE LIGHT HURR DURR" and the power mad DARTH KNOXX

Jedi stories though, complete and utter snooze fest.

>>47345433
>Going Light Side Warrior who's loyal to the Empire and wants to do right by its' Citizens.
Yes.

>>47345019
but asceticism versus emotion is a great way of reflecting the cost of a good versus evil conflict. jedi must be monastic, celibate, and stoic to truly uphold the force, because emotions easily interfere with the power a force-sensitive has

>>47345508
But that's dumb and means you can't really have interesting jedi.

>>47345508

In what way?

personally, i want to see the jedi as more un-interventionist, perhaps feudal, and generally less purely and conventionally "good". i have no problem with good vs. evil dichotomies, but i think portraying the jedi as prudeish pseudo-knights instead of moral paladins is more interesting.

i mean, how many clone troopers needlessly died at the poor orders of Jedi? judging by the Clone Wars series, probably millions.

>>47344045
No, TORtanic was the worst thing to come out of the EU. When people ask if they can play Light Side Sith, you know Shit is whack.

>>47344045
That isn't the Mandalorians

>>47345530
who says that stoic, martial characters cant be interesting? it just means theyre rigid and dogmatic in their values, not robots

>>47345433
>Valkorian
>Good

Are you including the part where he made himself immortal by eating the life force of all the beings on a planet when he was a child?

>>47345625
Because they can't have other approaches. It means they must adhere to a strict dogma, and that means you'll only see Jedi in a certain way.

I much prefer the more unorthodox approach.

>>47345644
That means you'll only ever see the Jedi ORDER that way. Qui-Gon Jinn, Jon Antilles, Zao and other Jedi who didn't hold to the Order's way of thinking exist.

>>47345532
because jedi value restraint. emotions are controlled and directed, much how monks use meditation, prayer, and though as ways to maintain celibacy

>>47345673

>Qui-Gon Jinn

So, the alternative is a gambling, slaving, incompetent sort-of Jedi who was probably an alcoholic based on what we saw on screen?

>>47344215
I almost always end up playing some droid from the Clone Wars liberated from being slaved to the droid computers and becomes the droid version of Moses.

>>47345673
Don't forget Yoda himself. Or Luke.

>>47345684

But why is that good? What about the Light Side requires emotional restraint, chastity, meditation, and prayer in order to be moral?

>>47345508
I am perfectly aware of that. What I'm saying is that it shouldn't

The concepts of monastic stoicism can be just as easily applied to good as to evil, and the concepts of emotional investment can be just as easily applied to evil as to good.

>>47345644
yeah, exactly. how many zany monks are there out in the world? a handful, but overall members of religious orders- basically the jedi template- follow their oaths with little flexibility and maintain rigorous moral, dietary, and behavioral standards. the jedi SHOULD be inflexible and dogmatic, theyre literally a monastic martial order.

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>>47345640
I never said he was good, I said he was interesting.

>>47345754

So were the Knights Templar.

>>47344748
I want the option of gay shit to be there at least.

>>47345019
The interpretation that I've always had is that the "light side" is going along with the Force's (that is, the universe's) intentions and desires, and so light side force powers are the ones that are natural or subtle. The Dark Side is twisting that power to your own end without regard to what's right or what's natural, which is why Dark Side force powers are all about perverting nature and taking the easy way out.

Then again, everyone whose ever written Star Wars has had a different idea about how The Force works (Kyle Katarn expresses a sentiment very similar to your own IIRC), so the best canon is that all of these viewpoints are the viewpoints of the characters and nobody really knows what the Force is or why evil people who use it develop really bad skin conditions.

>>47345754
That was why a lot of Jedi were falling, though. They point this out in some of the media. Jedi who strictly adhere to dogma are very easy to fall and corrupt, because they don't have proper judgement. They can't learn to control emotions that they're unfamiliar with.

This is why I like Luke's pre-NU approach better.

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>>47345778
Following that interpretation, I see no reason why there can't be a good Sith who uses the dark side to be Batman, or an evil Jedi who uses the light side to run a criminal empire.

Light-side/dark-side dichotomy should not be based on good/evil, but on law/chaos.

>>47345766
Stop avatarfagging namefag.

>>47344513
Nothing of value is being put back into the Eu by Disney.

>>47344308
I played a Stormtrooper Sergeant. I didn't use my E-11 blaster to shoot, as, somehow in the game we were playing, it did incredible blunt damage as an improvised weapon (we were all inexperienced with the system). I named my unit the 'face crushers'. Many a fun moment was had in the face crushers.

>>47345725
well, for one: it doesn't... necessarily. But monastic or martial orders, by their very nature, have strict codes, to enforce a certain set of (basically subjective) values and propagate an inward culture unique from the rest of the world. Usually, these are based off of ancient texts propagating equally subjective values and beliefs. The Jedi order is a pastiche of vaguely "oriental" spiritual elements, bushido, and monasticism. they do not *just* uphold "good", they also uphold their own unique culture and code. which values emotional restraint and celibacy. for the practical reason that emotional excess is the way to the dark side, as literally every star wars movie shows, FYI.

also: the jedi as purely good without any elements of self-sacrifice would be... unrealistic and uninteresting to say the least.

>>47345703
>Incompetent

Outside of Episode I, he was extremely competent.

>Slaving

He didn't buy Anakin you retard, he gambled for his freedom.

>Gambling

Not a bad thing when you're a telekinetic precog.

>>47345745
true, but i think that Lucas wrote a basically good idea. they ARE supposed to be monks and warriors, though, and ascetics and stoics compliment that.

but i think Star Wars is less of a good vs evil conflict than it is an order versus chaos conflict. Sith seem to be more anarchic than purely evil, ir at least the prequels seem to give that image.

EU aside, we never see the terrible oppressions of the Empire, Alderaan aside.

>>47345766
In the same way a car crash is interesting.

>>47344064
>"The Sun Crusher was so stupid thank god the old EU is gone"
>Ep 7 has an even stupider version of it
>"Jacyen Solo was so retarded thank god the old EU is gone"
>Ep 7 has an even stupider version of it

>>47345877
>celibacy

Not one of their tenets.

>>47345874
I never did think of a name for my squad. I just fluffed them as Demolitions Experts before my character's retirement. We we send in when you wanted something blown up. Preferably without the people inside knowing until it was too late.

>>47345798
and that, i think, makes sense and works. the jedi order isnt perfect or purely "good" and shouldnt be portrayed as such. a good vs evil conflict works for a movie or a movie trilogy, but when it becomes a workd and a universe, i want to see faults and humanity in the good and the bad guys

>>47344215
>tfw my GM for the star wars RPG is awful at GMing
we had fun one session, too bad we played 5 before we scrapped it

>>47345986
>"Jiana Solo was so retarded, thank god the old EU is gone"
>Ep 7 has an even stupider version

>>47345990
yeah, i was talking about real-world orders the jedi were based off of. which, unsurprisingly, also have tenets of self-sacrifice

>>47345986
Jacen Solo was a nice, goofy kid with a gift for communing with animals and a hot amazonian waifu. Ignore the Vong and everything that came after because that was shit. He wasn't a bad character.

>>47345986
If you dislike Episode 7 you are literally a racist mysogynist Trump-supporting shitlord who is probably addicted to Cheetos.

>>47346065
Close. Fritos actually.

>>47345954
Sith should be seen as just as good or bad as Jedi, IMO

>>47345877

But why are emotions the path to the Dark Side? Is this ever explained? Is it because all emotions are destructive? Isn't that incredibly simplistic?

>>47346050
Poor Anakin Solo.

>>47345919

>Outside of Episode I

Yeah. Lesser canon, and not interested.

>didn't buy, he gambled

I never said he bought Anakin. But what, praytell, is the moral and ethical difference of purchasing a slave and gambling for one?

>gambling

He also cheated. Moreover, he essentially emotionally manipulated a slave into giving her child into the care of the Jedi Order, and said child was not old enough to make his own decisions, so copping out with "Anakin chose to go, lol" doesn't cut it.

>>47344215
>with twin lightsabers that connect to form a double lightsaber

Butm this is, or rather was, a thing in canon, and depending on the character would be perfectly explainable(jedi guardian that wanted to master every form of saber combat known). Not touching the rest of that mess though, except to say that ex slave sith at least were not an uncommon occurrence.

>>47346091
i dont think its emotions per se, but more like the negative but strong emotions of hatred and anger. emotional restraint does not mean no emotion- the jedi arent robots, just stoics. then again, lucas' writing was never particularly excellent or detailed so we're left with a vague and, yeah, simplistic moral system.

i have no fucking clue why Anakin couldnt have a marriage with Padme. because it was doomed to fail? thats not even a conflict, just fate

>>47346091
Emotions aren't the path to the Dark Side. Hell, anger, fear and pain don't turn you to the Dark Side. You need a little of each of those in order to be a living being. But allowing yourself to be CONSUMED by your negative emotions to the point where you're ruled by them, THAT is what leads to the Dark Side. The Jedi knew that at first but took the practice too far and embraced monasticism.

The Jedi are wrong, but they aren't evil.

>>47346136
You're acting like freeing a slave to live a better life is a bad thing.

>>47346232

>Choosing the now free slave's life for him

Slavery with another name anon.

>>47345624
Mandalorians are perfectly fine as asshole space vikings. They were only bad under Karen Traviss.

>>47346258
Wasn't that the really crazy obsessed lady?

>>47346193

I'm still not getting this. See, a person can be consumed by passion for a cause, and that cause can be good, righteous, noble, and just.

So, if I have an incredible passion to save lives, and do everything in my power to do as much good for as many people as possible, while harming as few as possible, I can still fall to the Dark Side?

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>>47344045
But Jolee Bindo was cool and further evidence that KoToR was the only good Star Wars story ever written, that's right including the original trilogy.

>>47346248
He was free to leave at any time and would have been set up with a nice job if he did.

>>47346297
Of course. That's how bloody revolutions start.

>>47346297

>"Love doesn't lead to the dark side. Passion can lead to rage and fear, and can be controlled... but passion is not the same thing as love. Controlling your passions while being in love... that's what they should teach you to beware. But love itself will save you... not condemn you."

There's nothing wrong with passion. Even wholeheartedly giving yourself to a cause isn't a bad thing in the Force. It's when you're consumed entirely by your negative emotions that you fall to the Dark Side.

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>>47346175
Just because it's canon doesn't mean it's not completely stupid.

>>47346310

[citation needed]

>>47346394
Go read The Jedi Path dumbass. If you want to argue at least have a basic understanding of how the Jedi work.

>>47346326

And if I have no desire for authority or power or control? Simply do my best with what I have?

>>47346359

See, it seems like there's no consensus on this. Is it passion, or is it only negative emotions? And if it's only negative emotions, why do the Jedi seem to think that all emotions are negative?

>>47346410

Looks rather non-canonical. Is it ever referenced in a movie, or TV show?

Jedi in general are garbage. The best thing to come out of the Old EU is the X-Wing series

>>47346462

Nevermind. Just saw the Legends banner on wookiepedia. Into the garbage it goes.

>>47346561
Where it and the entire EU belong.

>>47346424
Most people don't seem to realize that it's Negative Emotions overriding the rest of your personality that cause you to fall to the Dark Side.

And the Jedi screwed up. Over the years they stagnated and moved towards monasticism, not realizing that their new policies were a recipe for disaster. A 1000 years later, you get the Jedi Order in the Prequels.

When Luke founds the New Jedi Order in the Old EU, it's much healthier. Jedi aren't ascetics, they're people. Many get married and have children. This is largely why Like is Considered one of the best Jedi ever by fans of the good parts of the Old EU.

>>47346561
>>47346567
These people are not true Star Wars fans. The ones who hunted down the worthy parts if the EU and found them good. Pity these poor fools

>>47346567
You fucking Star Wars purists are like a religion. Do you have funny hats and perform exorcisms? Do your prayers end with in the name of the Lucas, the original trilogy, and the skywalker ranch?

>>47346580
Indeed. Relying on negative emotions gradually causes them to overtake the rest of you. Hence why Sith start to actually physically degrade.

Star Wars: Legacy made a cool point about light vs dark.

>>47345588
>i mean, how many clone troopers needlessly died at the poor orders of Jedi? judging by the Clone Wars series, probably millions.
Canon suggest there were no more than 6 million or so clones made over the course of the war. Which is fucking retardedly small considering how big the universe was

>>47346248
He was a kid, they dont get to choose their own lives. He wasn't beaten around anymore and his guardian gave the goahead

>>47346597
I wouldn't really call myself a purist. I don't hold movie canon as some kind of sacred standard. I understand and accept that the movies have plenty of dumb shit in them.

But the EU was so bloated with garbage that TFA's euthanasia was, at that point, doing the entire franchise a favor. The franchise as a whole is better off this way.

>>47346637
That's because the EU had almost 4 decades of stuff in it. You'll get bad shit bloat that way.

Doesn't mean that there wasn't great stuff in the EU. And it's not like the new universe is giving us anything better.

>>47346654
Fair enough. I still like TFA more than pretty much anything EU, except possibly KOTOR 1 and 2.

>>47346561
>>47346567
>Discussing Star Wars on /tg/
>Not knowing EU material

You might as well leave now. It's going to be Nothing but EU from here on out.

>>47346595
>>47346597

See, I was done with the EU when I read BS like the Vong, Darksaber, and Kyp Durron. And I was pretty much done with Star Wars thanks to the Prequels.

I was just curious to see if there was any actual depth to the Force instead of circular thinking and "because we said so" morality.

So yes, we Bless the Lucas Bumhole, and deeply desire to go to Skywalker Ranch (the TRUE AFTERLIFE!) while wearing our $1500 movie accurate Darth Vader costume while pegging ourselves with the authentic Anakin FX Lightsaber.

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>>47346637
>The franchise as a whole is better off this way.

Is it now?

>>47346662
I won't lie, TFA is BARELY mid-tier by EU standards, which is saying a lot.

>>47346662
Man, how could you?

I didn't hate TFA or anything but it didn't really do a good job building this new universe. I also really hated the mary sue bitch.

And Ahsoka Tahno, too. Who was an equally annoying mary sue bitch.

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>>47346680
I retract my previous statement in light of this new evidence. Not only was I wrong, I was also stupid. I apologize.

>>47346688
Not him, but was there a "good EU" list?

>>47346674
>was done with the EU when I read BS like the Vong, Darksaber, and Kyp Durron

I don't blame you. Those were some of the worst things to come out of the EU. But things like the Han Solo Trilogy, the Thrawn books or the X-Wing series were worthwhile. There's good things in the EU so you're doing yourself a disservice by throwing it all out.

>>47346680
ONLY SHEEV SPINS REEEEEE

>>47346726
The Vong were stupid, but I liked what they did with them in Legacy.

>>47346726

Am I though? I went from loving Star Wars to cringing every time someone brought it up, and inevitably, all the fun went out of it. So what am I really missing aside from some moderately good fanfiction about space admirals and space fighter pilots?

>>47345019
Plenty of Jedi and Sith used both dark and light techniques. Kyle Katarn strait up uses force lightning.

>>47346717
I found this list a while ago: http://imgur.com/gallery/x5kks

I disagree with the first three on the list but his reasoning is pretty sound throughou.

>>47346762
Not really. You're missing out on a lot of really good material because of a few stinkers. Keep in mind that Star Wars has almost 40 years of collective EU.

>>47346762
That's fair. I would say that many of the games are worthwhile, for gameplay at least.

>>47346292
Yes, the one that called her detractors "talifans" and nazi sympathizers. Her problem is that she can't keep her personal feelings out of her writing at all, if something in a setting pisses her off she just HAS to fix it by demonizing the hell out of that thing and writing up some mary sueish mouthpiece for her viewpoints that constantly insults and/or beats up the thing she dislikes.

She saw the jedi as evil child snatchers, so Jaina and the jedi were written as utterly incompetent spoiled morons, and the Mandalorians became this perfect society that did everything better than them.

The exact same thing happened with her Halo books. Halsey snatched kids, so she was written as a Mengele-tier cunt and the main cast was used shit to shit on her at every opportunity.

Why does there seem to be only two kinds of force using people that matter? I'd think practically every organization and/or spiritual ideology around would want a finger in the mystical psychic powers pie.

>>47346762
Take a look at the Revenge of the Sith Novelization. Would you believe me if I told you it makes the events of the movie actually make sense?

>>47346736
Sheev is his Disney name. The name the mouse forced on him. His free name is Sidious.

>>47346847
Because there's a lot of them. Most other Force using traditions are tiny. But there are quite a few.

>>47346847
There's also the Imperial Knights.

>>47346824

TIE Fighter is fantastic, so I can agree with that.

>>47346814

I may give the X-Wing series, and the Thrawn trilogy a try. But for the most part, I'm probably going to remain an insufferably bitter person on the subject of Star Wars.

In which case, peace, and thanks for those of you who answered my questions and vitriol with grace and aplomb. You are credits to your fandom, even if I no longer share it.

>>47346888
You're welcome and I hope you can come to love the series once more.

May the Force be with you Anon.

>>47346888
Give the Star Wars: Legacy series a read, too.

>>47346186
>i have no fucking clue why Anakin couldnt have a marriage with Padme.
It's against the Order's rules and he's the kind of bitch who tries to have his cake and eat it too. He could have just left the Order and married her openly.

>>47344215
I'll admit, when I played the star wars RPG as a sprightly teen I played a jedi Neti (basically an Ent) who wielded 5 lightsabers with his tree branch-tentacles. It was really fun.

>>47344093
The Dark Sun? You mean the Dark Saber?

>>47345278
We lose Darth Marr having been a thing. Which makes his death even sadder.

>>47344140
Fuck you nerd
This guy >>47344189 is right it was fucking awesome.

I wish Starwars would remind people more often that if you're not a top tier force user you ain't shit

>Darth Vader is just one dude
>500 rebels armed to the teeth with tanks and air support died
>That was all before a contingent of the empire came to his "rescue" and took over the planet

Remember that was published by Disney.

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>>47344045
>Being a Grey Jedi
>Not just being a Sith Lord who realizes that being a dick to everyone just gets you killed no matter how much power you attain

>>47345508

Except when you play a Corellian Jedi. Fuckin bitches all day and no shits given.

>>47344045
>The worst concept
>not Plutocracy
Yeah, no.

>>47345278
We lost Malgus

>>47346394
Dooku left and became a Count.

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>>47347024
>fun

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>>47348196
>Plutocracy
I keked

>>47344045
Grey is just a Jedi falling to Sith. It's not like they just snap on day and start killing all their friends.
The slippery-slope is a long and gradual process with a sudden, but small, drop at the end.

I like the Old Republic stuff more than the movies...

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>>47348570
Most likely caused by the dumb as fuck regulations of the jedi order.

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>>47346680
The fuck is this shit? Sauce?

>>47348711
The perfectly canon Rebels tv show.

>>47344045
>My character is a soldier specialized in vibro-axes and teräs käsi
I made 90% of the jedi in my group mad

that or
>My character is a soldier/scout sniper
This also made them mad because I dispossed of any thread way before they reached the jedi's range

>>47348570
>>47348674
Actually, the term "Grey Jedi" is so vague due to being redefined so many times that it just means "Jedi who doesn't agree with being a good guy and/or the Jedi council 100% of the time" Take as examples:
>Jolee Bindo
He was a Grey Jedi because he wanted nothing to do with the Jedi order
>Qui-Gon Jin
He was a Grey Jedi because he didn't want a place on the Jedi council, since he didn't follow their philosophy hardline
>Plo Koon
He was a Grey Jedi because he developed a force technique similar to force lightning which drew from the target's dark side power, like Mace Windu's Vaapad lightsaber form. It earned him a place as a master on the Jedi Council.
>Kyle Katarn
He was a Grey Jedi because he fell to the dark side, redeemed himself, then held the philosophy that it doesn't matter what force power a Jedi uses, provided the power is used for good, not evil.
>Jensaarai
A splintered order of Jedi who use both light and dark side powers regardless of consequence. Their name means "followers of the hidden truth" in Ancient Sith.

All of these Grey Jedi are different. Some would be at risk of falling to the dark side more than others.

>>47348674
That doesn't make you psycho. Just stoic. Emotional control is a thing in many philosophies and psychological improvement stuff.

>>47344513
We lost some stuff though, not much, but some stuff. Meanwhile the new EU is like orders of magnitude worse than the old

>>47348985
>Meanwhile the new EU is like orders of magnitude worse than the old
Really? I didnt think they'd manage to fuck it up so fast

>>47347877
Dark Empire was shit.

>>47349020
Wendig is a blight upon Star Wars. He's an awful writer.

>>47346847

Three in the movies alone.

Jedi
Sith
Knights of Ren.

The last are Dark Side but not Sith.

>>47348814
>yfw Qui-Gon's insistence on giving Anakin a chance was what brought about the Empire

>>47345216
>Darth maul
That fucker is still alive

>>47349072
I don't think Sith existed in SW canon until some EU writer came up with them. Before that Vader and the Emperor were just dark jedi. Another case of a better writer than Lucas coming up with something good, Lucas seeing it, and going "Oh I am totally stealing that."

>>47349089
And killed the Emperor in the end.

>>47349089
>>47349130
Things had to get worse before they got better... but then they didn't get much better at all.

>>47349130
Had Sheev not swayed Anakin to his side, Samuel L Windu would've killed him. Naturally, things would've played out differently in general, but without the chosen one on his side, he didn't stand as much of a chance.

>>47345032
We still don't really know why it failed so hard though.

>>47344600
>There is no good without evil

I fucking hate this ideology. Like we're supposed to tolerate evil or risk losing Santa Claus and charity.

>>47349246
No. Without the reference point of knowing that some things are evil, the descriptor "good" will lose its significance because there is nothing to contrast it with.

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>>47344390
>that image
That's the new EU? Jesus Christ on ice.

>>47348674
>>47348846
Jedi feel strong emotions, they merely must have the discipline to not let it affect their actions.

>>47349269
You don't need hitler for you to know that causing others pain and sorrow is shit. It's called empathy, where you remember how you felt and don't want others to feel that. We don't need villains to know what is moral.

>>47345644
Then I really like the new Canon approach of making the mandalorians pacifists because they destroyed their world.

>>47349299
No one said anything about Hitler or villains.

>>47344045
>gray Jedi
I always do gray Jedi as Jedi who do things in an unorthodox manner, like playing SWTOR's sage class inspired me to RP a force user who would use the force to pinch nerves and otherwise incapacitate enemies as opposed to the whole lightsaber and force push shtick
It unsettled the party RP wise, eventually referred to me as the Grey One.

>>47349336
That how I play them too.

>use force lightning to jump start damaged hyperdrive to help group escape
>"Hey, isn't that that Sith power that they use to torture people?"
>"But it's a sith power
>"The sith were the ones that first discovered it, yes."
>And they discovered it to torture peo-"
>"IT CAN BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS!"

>>47349373
Problem is that canon force lightning is hating your target to death

>>47349488
Only movies and Rebels count now as far as canon goes, and none of them use that to describe force lightning. That's an old EU description, and if you're goig by old EU there are several instances of jedi/sith using force lightning to power machinery.

>>47349336
>like playing SWTOR's sage class inspired me to RP a force user who would use the force to pinch nerves and otherwise incapacitate enemies as opposed to the whole lightsaber and force push shtick
Eh, its never hard to break underdeveloped magic systems like the Force

>>47349488
Which seems kind of odd. You would think hating someone to the point of damage would cause them to combust. Shocking them seems a little piddly.

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>>47349514
I thought clone wars was still canon too?

>>47349532
Keep in mind that Luke seemed to be in intense pain when Palpatine went all shock happy.

I imagine hating someone to death would involve watching them slowly and painfully die.

>>47349532
Think about it this way, you are hating them to death, so you want them to suffer a they die, and electrical shock, of the level that causes lasting physical harm, is supposed to be one of the most painful things a person can experience.

>>47349488

Yeah. Like, a force choke is just an offensive application of perfectly normal force maniipulation, and is only kinda darkside because it's most often just an unnecessarily cruel way to kill someone when you could just stab them quickly with your lightsaber, but you could probably use the same technique for nerve pinches and incapacitating tricks. Plenty of other game Dark Side powers work this way - Force Slow would be rather invaluable to someone fighting to bring in suspects alive.

But Force Lightning is basically whipping your hateboner out of your pants and spinning it like a dynamo until sparks fly. Not exactly a signifier of a balanced mindset, there.

>>47344045
>My character is a droid

Fuck off. Take your boner with you.

>>47349580
I once played as a power droid in a game of Star Wars Saga. I swapped out all of my bonus equipment except for my legs and case for a power generator and dumped INT.

It was hilarious because the other players were accusing me of min/maxing because I was playing a droid.

>>47349246
Oh so much this. This to the power of this. This a hundred times a hundred and a hundred times again.

It's right up there with "If you kill me you will become just like me" in terms of annoying bullshit.

The only thing more stupid is "road to Hell is paved with good intentions" being used to try and deter people from having good intentions.

>>47349720
In dramatic fiction, you say, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions," when you see that someone is pursuing a course of action which you think will result in a negative outcome, despite their thinking that said course will lead to a positive one.

No one says it to, "deter people from having good intentions." At least, not in anything I've ever read or watched.

>>47349531
How does that break it?
I had to put a lot towards letting my character learn the anatomies of a good amount of beings, and there were always a few that I didn't have figured out

>>47349720
>>47349763
I have never seen the idiom used quite that way either.

>>47349638
GONK

GONK

>>47349720
>The only thing more stupid is "road to Hell is paved with good intentions" being used to try and deter people from having good intentions.
The point isn't to deter you to having good intentions, its to keep in mind that many people who do harmful things meant well while doing it

>>47344423
I hope you speak in Australian accents.

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>>47345958
pls go

>>47349720
>The only thing more stupid is "road to Hell is paved with good intentions" being used to try and deter people from having good intentions.
Huh. That IS really stupid. That's not the point of the proverb at all.

>>47349872
>not knowing the difference between a kiwi accent and an aussie accent
Fight me shitcunt

>>47349514
Clone wars is canon

Also
>jedi using force lightning outside old EU
Where?

>>47349763
>>47349776
Civil war

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>>47349872
>Australian accents.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>47349930
>>47349812
>>47349776
>>47349763

I exaggerate. It was a thing one particularly annoying fellow player used to come out with.

He was a tool.

>>47350023
In the same way that there is an American accent, or a British accent or a German accent.

>>47350023
I've never really been a fan of that image. The sheepfuckers insult us nearly as much as we insult them.

>>47345778
Why would it be easier to struggle against fate and make your own destiny?

>>47345877
>to enforce a certain set of (basically subjective) values
All values are subjective.

The worst part of "if you kill him you will be like him" it's the part were this doesn't apply to minions

>>47344045
There's a difference between knowing and being intelligent. Any fuckhead can spout off E=MC2 and what they've been told about it, but applying it, proving it, and knowing why it's E=MC2 is a different ballgame.

>>47346193
Presumably, being force sensitive makes you much more sensitive to the influence of the Dark Side, meaning that if you get angry you might draw on it by accident, making you more angry, making you draw on it more, and you can probably figure out the rest.

You know what I kinda liked from SWTOR? Being a light side or even neutral sith warrior.

>that moment when a Jedi gets so butthurt at the fact that you're genuinely being reasonable that he falls to the dark side.

>>47344215
>current character is a selkath surgeon that turns to spice dealing and other illegal operations to be able to finally fund his hospital-school-orphanage project

Is this goodrightfun?

I'm having fun with him

>>47348674
That picture makes it seem like being a psychopath is desirable.

>>47350275
>not playing an exiled mad claw force sensitive wookie who must learn the ways of the jedi to deal with his anger and hatred

>>47349130
Well, what do you think "restoring balance to the force" is going to do when there are two Sith and a million Jedi?

>inb4 Lucas said that's not what he meant
Fuck Lucas. Just when you thought he'd actually written something clever.

>>47350307
Is that a KOTOR and/or that kid book series reference?

>rip Hanhaar
>rip Big Z
>rip other forgettable wookie

>>47349531
>>47349775
It's never hard to break a magic system when you're throwing all the rules out the window anyway.

If that's how you want to play it, by all means do so, but it's not really "breaking the system" if you use an ability to do something completely different from what the ability says it does.

>>47350332
Sort've. I like wookiees, they're my favourite star wars race and I liked the idea of playing as one in SWS.

Then I noticed that Wookiees had a rage ability built in, and the rest was history. I had a lot of fun on the character, until my buttmad co-player had his mon kalamari threaten to sell him into imperial slavery.

>>47349930
>>47350023
I didn't even know there were such a thing as a New Zealand accent.

>>47349072
I always liked the Matukai even though they're consigned to the EU irrelevance-bin now. An order of force users who were meditative and practiced martial arts similarly to the Jedi Order, but without the Order's absolute standards of stoicism and asceticism.
The Matukai specialised in enhancing their physical abilities with the Force more than almost any other group of force-sensitives, and their meditative techniques of channeling the Force was even known to be able to develop sensitivity in races who rarely manifest it, like Wookies and those with extensive cybernetic replacements to their bodies that could hinder their powers. A more martial, less constrictive organisation otherwise with similar aims to the Jedi always did strike me as neat.

>>47349720
>"If you kill me you will become just like me"

Why do shitty writers love this one so much. Shooting a genocidal maniac or a power hungry warlord won't make you fall to evil. Especially since you probably killed dozens of his men on the way there, its not any less justified because its the boss.

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>>47350370
Yeah, wookies are pretty cool, but you don't sell one unless you're ready to get torn limb from limb from asshole

The Selkath are definitely my favorite though. A race of natural healers and talkers that communicate with wet phlegm gurgles

>>47344486
>Get it fucking straight

Oh now look who's being problematic.

>>47346065
This is unironically true, actually. Also butthurt manchild and autistic. And of course the worst insult: Wookieepedian.

>>47346065
Man, this is like with the new ghostbusters and the new ocean's eleven.

Man, I love these new age trap movies.

>>47350576
Are they really making an all female Ocean's Eleven?

What the fuck is with this bullshit.

>>47350576
>new Ocean's Eleven
The Rat Pack must be spinning in their respective graves.

>>47344512
>Saga Edition
>not glorious based balanced FFG Star Wars
kek

>>47344513
Kyle Katarn and Voort saBinring say you're a faggot

>>47350576
The actually made infallible movies, if they "fail" is because the patriarchy and not because the movie sucks.

>>47350268
That scene was worth s few chuckles.
Apparently the Dangerious and Mysterious sith techniques to cause jedi to fall to the dark side, are speaking rationally, with some lite trolling tossed in.

>>47350628
>FFG Star Wars
I can play 'Mother May I' with my friends for free.

>>47346307
You're likely being facetious, but I actually do like the writing/universe of kotor way more than the movies.

Whats a nice and easy SW system i can run.

>>47346662
How?

TFA was bad.

>>47351120
The ffg games are pretty easy, and work decently well.

>>47351159
Can i download them for free anywhere

>>47351192
>http://pastebin.com/wCRBdus6
>https://mega.nz/#!DkNTDTyZ!PUupCOep4RmRcsgI3rNhU_Pk_xcyFbYWnhrq8gwrVv0


yep. dice roller for them is pretty easy to find online too.

>>47350739
I don't think anyone is going to argue that the new ghostbusters is good.

>>47351222
Feminists are.

Even though it has worse CGI than Scooby Doo.

>>47351148
Well, it was in the top three Star Wars movies.

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>>47351217
Thanx famamalm. Have a rare gunray

>>47351235
Please don't compare Scooby Doo to the new ghost busters. Scooby Doo was fun.

>>47351222
Literally even actors and comedians not related to that movie are saying that if you don't like the trailers you're misogynistic and racist, no fucking joking here.

>>47345166
And thank God for that.

>No one can defeat me because I have a BA in Art History!

>>47344045
The Jedi/Sith nonsense is terrible to begin with under Lucus.

>>47350231
You're allowed to feel anger. Hell, feeling hate is perfectly normal. It's acting on those feelings or letting them faster that causes issues.

>>47346680
I was 100% in favor of spin sabers until the scene.
Now I like them even more I actually like that nucanon is going out of its way to introduce new lightsaber types.

>>47345403
Fuck that, I was forced to take Kreia along, whom I would have kicked out of the party as soon as I found my ship had the game let me. No, instead I got to listen to her constant lectures as if my ex-wife was in the goddamn cockpit with me the WHOLE FUCKING GAME.

>>47346680
But the blades aren't solid.

>>47350935
Clearly, you've never actually read FFG's rules.

>>47345403
Restoration mod was ok, but the droid planet was far too big and empty, you just spend your time wandering around.

That said, the characters were all great and the writing was excellent.

>>47345725
That Jedi are Taoist monks?

>>47351422
Repulsorlift in the handle.

I don't watch Rebels.

>>47351237
It's on par with ROTS and doesn't come anywhere near close to ROTJ.

>>47351315
I don't get where the racist remark is coming from. How is the new one more diverse than the original. 3 white dudes+1 black dude vs 3 white chicks and one black chick.

>>47351235
Ruh roh Raggy

>>47351448
They superficially resemble Taoist monks.

>>47351460
Because you don't like it. You couldn't possibly be disliking it because it's shit, oh no. You are obviously disliking it because it has a black chick in it. By pointing out that it has a black chick in it and you like it and they love it they show you to be the Hitler x Polpot hybrid monster that you are whilst they are obviously accepting of all and super progressive.

>>47351501
I want the extreme left to try other things.

Is still canon that Jedi can take by force force sensitive kids and even murder their parents if they resist and all of this with the republic backing them up?

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>>47346981

him caring too much was the thing that made him fall. even "positive" emotions can be destructive. it's about emotional restraint. the jedi don't marry traditionally because it involves close personal relationships, which means attachment, which can be a path to the dark side.

>>47353213
>Oh I love padme too much...shit I cut Mace's hand, well, lets kill some kids, I'm a lord of the sith lets kill everybody who opposes me
>All in the span of a evening
Literally made no fucking sense

>>47353264

I'm not saying it was done well, anon, but the idea behind it is sort of there. bad execution.

I think the Clone Wars cartoons don't do a bad job though.

>>47346981
>He could have just left the Order and married her openly
I'm gonna go make my own Jedi Order, with black jack and marriage.

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>>47351450
>Repulsorlift in the handle
>not just the user levitating via the Force

>>47344045
>My character is a X character tutor, can he sacrifice a level to give me one?
Would you allow this? Asume no min-maxing fuckery is going on.

>after what Yoda said in EIII people still think healing is a light side power
Kek

>>47354263
What do you mean?