Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>47302552
>>47290926
Forgot old bread

fa/tg/uys, I need to say that while I enjoy the Path of War Disciplines, I think that the Classes is too strong and even unbalanced in a low/medium level of optimization.

Can you help me to dispel this thoughts?

>>47302606
They're not any stronger than, say, an Alchemist or a Magus is.

>>47302606
The thing is, lowOp involves generally picking up trap choices. Path of War has no trap choices.

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3rd for someone give me the the lowdown on catfolk, and maybe dump some good catfolk art. I want to play one, but nobody ever unironically talks about them so I have no idea what even counts as "acceptable".

>>47302695

I don't know about these, really. My group style is long days filled with 4-6 encounters a day, so a Magus run out of spells very quickly in the early levels. The Alchemist holds his ground IF isn't a Bomb build.

>>47302701
I agree.

And sorry about didn't mention it in the original post, this problem is more by 1st-4th level.

>>47302606They definitely have a lower floor than a lot of classes, but your idea of low and medium optimization are most likely different than most people's. If you mean paizo level is low then I would agree they are too strong, but paizo has no idea how to optimize so that is 0 optimization for most people. If you mean barbarian that doesn't go beast totem level then any PoW class can just pick the not so good options too and they should be about equal overall. If mid-optimization is staying in tier but moving up in it they are definitely balanced there. It is just easier to not pick trap options with PoW because there aren't nearly as many.

Competently constructed rules for magic item crafting.

I need them.

Since we we're discussing improved familiars last thread. What are some good and interesting familiars you could take?

>>47302836
Psychopomp

>>47302767
That is rusty dagger shanktown which PoW is admittedly much less likely to die in because of its ability to one round low level enemies and escape options. A wizard spamming colour spray and sleep for those levels is also too good though, so it's more the game than PoW.

>>47302836
>good

Consular imp
Shikigami kami

basically any of the other ones with some spells plus fast healing

>>47302552
That description reads like a 13 year old talking about his character.

Is there any way to do a druid or druid-like who wild shapes at will instead of spellcasting?

>>47302952
Look at Spheres of Power for either their variant of Druid or Shifter.

Alternatively, see if someone around here is willing to lob you the Chimera Heart playtest and play any PoW Martial.

>>47302552
I want to use that one rogue build focused around Equipment Trick: Cape as an encounter but I'll feel like a poser if I do.

>>47302836
Small Aether Elemental for telekinetic fun

Level 5 Warder here.
Looking to be a "tank" via applying shitloads of debuffs and pissing enemies off into hitting me.
So far I can:
Apply Armiger's Mark
Demoralize reliably (Enforcer + Merciful weapon with +20 Intimidate)
Potentially lock down movement (Guard's Glare)
Sicken (Cruel weapon)
"Taunt" via 2 different Iron Tortoise maneuvers

What can I do to apply more on-hit debuffs?
I'll get Advanced Study if I have to, just gimme some suggestions.

>>47303189
Adopted>Ifrit's Glare to make the intimidate reliable

>>47303236
My GM's already letting me take 10 on it as-is.

>>47303259
Is 3.5 open to you?

>>47303280
Possibly.
GM's pretty chill.

>>47302952
Uh, druid 20?

>>47302848

> some retarded aberration from a splatbook can now be your familiar so that raging autist power gamers can get a precious +1 bonus to something

That's it, I'm done with this retarded abortion of a game system. I've had it with pathfinder. Straw that broke the camels back....

>>47302552

That is, without a doubt, the single most amazing enemy you could throw at the party as an end-game BBEG.

>>47303287
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/cornugon-smash-combat

http://therafimrpg.wikidot.com/imperious-command

Note: 3.5 to PF conversion means the feat has a requirement of 5 ranks of Intimidate, not 8, because 3.5 had you start with 4x the ranks and it was weird with skills.

>>47303355
>http://therafimrpg.wikidot.com/imperious-command
That seems REAL strong.
I don't think that's gonna fly.

>>47303355
If 3.5 is allowed, there's also Never Outnumbered: http://dndtools.pw/feats/complete-scoundrel--60/never-outnumbered--3295/

Note that as a skill trick, you take it by spending 2 skill points once you meet the prereqs, and it's only usable 1/encounter

>>47303062
Speaking of Equipment Trick: Cape, what's the best arrangement of archetypes for an intimidate-based Rogue? It's Unchained, so it also would have the skill unlock.

At the moment I'm looking at Thug, Rake and possibly a Scout combination with either.

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>GM flakes AGAIN
>I skipped out on friends for this AGAIN
>Haven't played a session in almost a month
>My favorite character is stuck in this neverending limbo
How has your day been, /pfg/?
Play
any
games
????

>>47303724
I'm DMing a Darksouls-esque Pathfinder game. First session was this last Saturday.

Was really great!

>>47303724
I want to somehow build an Eldar Howling Banshee in PF but I know it's impossible at low levels.

Save me.

>>47303724

Party defused a possible deadly fight, which turned into a wrestling match between the bandit boss and the team Brawler. It was pretty cool

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>>47303808
>>47303860
I am
really
happy
for you
my dear
fellow PF
enthusiasts.

>>47303822
What part is impossible, anon? Seems pretty doable to me.

>>47303860
Were there masks involved?

Did they set up ropes to jump off and land on each other?

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>>47303724
>group has only been playing every other week because one of the faggots always feels too shitty to play
>when we do play I have to drag the other players around by their half-awake asses
>started a pretty sweet one-on-one game with the GM a while back, but we had to put it on hold because he had to work more hours
>he said we'd pick it back up, but I haven't heard a single thing about it since and don't want be an annoying shit about it
>trying to find a second group is hell when you're bad with new people, don't have a schedule for anything, and are a text-game-only-fag
>my folder of things I want to try keeps getting bigger and bigger, but I'll never actually get to use any of the things in it

Just fuck my shit up desu senpai

>>47303901
Doing it accurately below level 15.

>>47303910
>text game
Online-voice-fag here
Please explain to me the merits of text-based gameplay
Surely it takes unreasonably long?

>>47303951
Things don't get missed as much since you have logs, you have time to type out things to do more detail, and if you're nervous like I am it doesn't fuck with your RPing as much.

>>47303724
Been trying to get my friends to build for the game we decided to play over the summer. Been about a month, maybe a month and a half. I've given up all hope especially since a new compendium just came out. Looks like I'm going all summer without a game...

>>47303951
Written logs and archiving means that people are less likely to fiddle about with "Uuuuh, what was this important NPC's name again?" and such. It also allows you a great "range" of tones and voices that your character could utilize, as well as giving you the time to think about what you want to say before blurting it out like an idiot.

>>47303951
It's probably slower than voice, but not as much slower as you might think, since you can type things in advance.

>>47303910
>>47303989
>>47303724 here
We need to start a group with a witty name and advertise on reddit or somethin' for a few more players.
What's a good name...
Natural 1 Club?
Please Just Play Pathfinder Club?
I Hate My Life And Just Want To Play Tabletop RPGs For Escapism So Only Apply If You're Not A Flaking Cunt Club?
I'm sure we'll find a GM for it haha

>>47303724
I keep telling you anon. Always have a quick module ready to run yourself. Actually trusting a DM to show is pretty much the silliest thing you can ever do.

>>47302552
That thing is so fucking cool.
Bestiary 5 was an absolute blast.

>>47303934
If 3pp and homebrew are allowed, then you have access to things like the Privateer archetype for vigilante or warlord (and desperado on top of that), and the Bloody Kraken discipline is supposed to be getting an update soon. For 1pp there is Savage Technologist which fits pretty perfectly and gives you access to the Terrifying Howl rage power. Although there are other ways to emulate the mask that escape me at the moment.

>>47304044
>Elf Savage Technologist
>Terrifying Howl

I'll have to look into that. Wish my GM allowed 3pp, but them's the breaks.

>>47302552

What music would you use for a fight with a Vilderavn?

The boss theme for the Abyss Watchers?

>>47304080
That's a shame they don't, Savage Technologist is probably your best bet at doing it. Sword and pistol is outrageously hard to do without house rules or 3pp content.

>>47303951
It takes longer if people aren't really paying attention, or always take a minute to think about what they're going to say before they pump something out. It also depends on how well they know the system, but that's kind of a given for any format. Pathfinder has gone a lot smoother than the system I used to play, but anything probably ran smoother than that system.

I also tried voice with a roll20 game, and I can't really pull that shit off. Between being constantly nervous, fumbling my words, people talking over eachother, and my fucked up schedule, I was just uncomfortable as fuck the whole time.
I played 5e with my sister and her friends in-person once, and that went pretty okay. Mostly because I kind of comfortable around them, and too distracted with trying to cook to be nervous about spilling my spaghetti.

>>47302908
It's an edgy super powered raven knight, so that shouldn't be surprising.

>>47304081
Probably something slow and moody. The PCs will undoubtedly be fighting him in a half-empty castle (throne room or king's private study) just after finishing a war themselves.

>>47304022
>Reddit
How about no

>>47302836
Pseudodragon.
It's a tiny dragon, that acts like a cat.

>>47302552
Where on Golarion would one run into something like that?

>>47304022
>reddit
Hard no.

>>47304081
>>47304081

>reach throne room
>notice the king is dead and so are a bunch of other people
>notice a giant raven flying in the air
>this starts playing as its still in the air
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20XREf55X9E
>it drops down and turns midway into its plate armor surrounding it when it lands
>dust clears and the vilderavn raises its sword at the pcs

10/10 encounter

>>47304237
Anywhere it fuckin' wants to be.

>>47304237
Behind you.

>>47302705
I play a cat folk barbarian in my game. A few things I do for flavor:

>My character wears a mask hiding the top half of his face and takes great pains not to be seen without it.

>he is also eager to claim the meat from edible monsters and animals. Although not exactly haute cuisine he takes pride in being able to clean, preserve, and prepare food.

>related to the above: he takes a somewhat patronizing view of people who can't prepare their own food and thinks of them as being somewhat childish and in need of help.

>constantly poking things to find out what they do, tends to be very poor at long-term planning

>>47302552
It's like they copy/paste a slightly altered image of Artorias and said. Yea that knight you've been hearing about, that great hero...he's the BBEG. at least that's what the image reminds me of.

>>47304257
>>47304216
Where else are you gonna find horrible losers with nothing but free time on their hands?
Sure as hell not here. I've tried before.

>>47304022
I'm just a bit iffy on starting a campaign with people I don't know. I'm crossing my fingers that in a week or two the GM will get off his ass and get the players to actually do shit, that or another campaign he offered that I be a part of gets off the ground but that means a different GM needs to get off his ass to start it up. At least I have incentive to find a job now that I've graduated, I need to fill the time better.

>>47304351
>implying I'm not a horrible loser with nothing but free time on my hands

Try again.

>>47304375
I bet you've said no to me trying to organize a group before, you cunt.

>>47304150
The campaign ending I'm writing around it basically just rips off Wind Waker's a little.
>You know, you never did use your wish, your Majesty. You held up your end of the bargain admirably. Go ahead. Anything you like.

>I wish for this kingdom to know PEACE for once in its lifetime!
*queue uproarious evil laughter from Vilderavn*

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>>47302705

So long as it's not half-fae, and can't be described as a "boi", it'll probably get a pass. And even if it is and it can, it might still work in a certain kind of game.

I don't have any catfolk art, so here's some humans instead.

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>>47304538
forgot image

Here's your reminder that the best armor for spellcasters is a skintight metal bodysuit.

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>>47304660
That gives a diplomacy bonus!

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>>47304538
>player uses any mind control spell on the king in that moment to make him say "kill yourself" instead
>campaign over, no boss fight

>>47304757
>King
>Failing a Will save
Anon...

>>47304660
>>47304695

>TFW the fullcaster isn't a sizzling sorceress
>TFW he's a Venerable wizard

>>47302705

I had a character who was half fey catboy and half human, she wasn't a problem at all.

>>47304757
Anon, the whole point of PF is that the people at Paizo noticed how there existed cheap, easy counters to mind control etc and how they needed to be eliminated.

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>>47304237
It comes from the feywild, man. It can be in any nation the Fey Lords are annoyed at.

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>>47304884
>>47304852

>Compelling Domination (Su) When a seraptis uses dominate person (as a spell or spell-like ability), its victims do not actively resist the control and do not gain a new saving throw when ordered to take actions against their nature unless those actions are obviously self-destructive, in which case the victim does get a new saving throw with a +2 bonus to escape the effects of the domination.

hahahahahahaha fuck your pcs

>>47304926
>3.PF
>Feywild

Ummmm could you put trigger warnings before using 4e terminology? Thanks

unless that's actually a thing in PF

>>47304979
ah shit you're right, I think I just had a stroke

I need to stop crossing editions
it was 5e

Yet another session fell through today.
I drove for an hour just to be told on the phone that the GM didn't show when I was about 5 minutes away.
I think I've finally had enough.

Please tell me where to go to find a good online group, /pfg/!

I've tried play-by-post once, on Mythweavers. I'd rather not remember that cringefest. It was so slow, and the players were... Lacking.
I'd like a live game. Text or voice, Tabletop Simulator or roll20, I don't care. I just want to play Pathfinder with a group of competent players that have at least half as much passion as I do for the game. I'm not getting that from my current group, but it's the only one in town, since I live in a third world shithole. Man, I'll not sleep and skip Uni if it means I can play with a good group.

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>>47304979

ANON, LOOK, AN ELADRIN!

>>47304969
>unless those actions are obviously self-destructive,
ok

>>47304979
>>47304996
Honestly it didn't even occur to me that the name referred to a specific place rather than a generic theme. Namewise it's the 'enchanted woods' version of the Darkbad and Shadowfell and whatnot.

>>47305037
Yeah

Dominate Person:
>Obviously self-destructive orders are not carried out.

Compelling Domination:
>the victim does get a new saving throw with a +2 bonus to escape the effects of the domination

You get one save, and if not, you spend the next 15 days trying to kill yourself.

>>47304979
>unless that's actually a thing in PF

More or less, though I think it's just called Faerie or Fey or some other generic "here be fairies yo" term

>>47305043
The Shadowfell and Shadowdark (which is silly as fuck but "the underdark of the shadowfell" sort of makes sense) are specifically 4e (or maybe 5e) terms that do indeed refer to specific places.

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So PFG Shadow Dancer or Assassin?

>>47305037
That's on top of the fact that she can have three members of the party trying to kill the rest of the party with no save.

And then has 15 days to separate them, tie them down and then kill them herself one by one.

Ez pz no save.

>>47305119
Shadow Dancer every time

>>47305074
I'm only going off the description that you(?) posted. You get two saves, the second one at a +2. This isn't particularly bad by PF standards, since lots of effects kick you out of the fight with one failed Will save. With Prot/Evil, even though Paizo removed its mind control immunity, that's still one will save at +4, and one at +6.

If you are particularly likely to fail two will saves, one at +4 and one at +6, your character is probably not cut out for the storyline.

Even so, just dominating them into waiting in the corner is mechanically more effective.

>>47305074
>Compelling Domination
So you fail the save, coup de grace yourself and die if no one is able to stop you?

>>47305173
Yep!

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>>47303332
>he dosn't want a cool little pet raven with a sweet mask that can teach him to scribe like a boss and carry a tune like a pimp.

for shame

>>47305119
Is beguiler not an option? It really can do the job of either PrC better.

>>47305173
Yessum

>>47305165
What first saving throw?

>Compelling Domination (Su) When a seraptis uses dominate person (as a spell or spell-like ability), its victims do not actively resist the control

You don't get a first saving throw.

You just get one if she tells you to coup de grace at a +2. Granted, it's only DC19, but the ability is better to turn the party against each other with no save.

>>47305074
So how can I get the compelling domination ability on a PC?

>>47305241
It's a Supernatural Ability for a specific species of demon, usually non-transferable.

I would elect to try it through plot reasons. There are rules for becoming a demon, and some Demon Lords will grant you gifts.

>>47305197
It's kind of a different type of character concept, those shittier classes are for nonmagic people.

>>47305231
Pretty sure that just means that you don't get a new saving throw when ordered to act against your nature. It's badly worded, but what else can you expect from Paizo.

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Afternoon /pfg/. Quick heads-up: I'm going to be gone between May 27th and July 5th while my son visits. During that time, Forrest will be handling my liason duties with you folks.

>>47305289
But it explicitly states that separately.

>its victims do not actively resist the control and do not gain a new saving throw when ordered to take actions against their nature

When you don't actively resist an ability, you oblige to fail the save.

>>47305277
In that case: shadowdancer.

>>47304926
>>47304274

Given the name and association with fae, wouldn't it be in the Land of the Linnorm Kings?

Wait? Wait hold up.

Holy shit.

What if a Vilderavn is the head honcho of Molthune? You know, the evil empire that loves to raid and pillage Nirmathas without conquering it?

It makes sense, the more I think about it!

>>47305231
>You don't get a first saving throw.

Yeah, you do. Unless you're referring to your way hip homebrew? It nowhere says they are deprived of a save, while it does say they get a "new" save if ordered to kill themselves.

For those who, like yourself, have shit reading comprehension, the "resisting the control" clause refers to this part:

>subjects resist this control, and any subject forced to take actions against its nature receives a new saving throw with a +2 bonus.

Her mind control just does what 99% of people think mind control monsters already do: force PCs to attack each other.

Also I was mistaken on PF mind control: if you cast Protection from Evil, a fucking FIRST LEVEL SPELL, first, she can't do jack shit to you, period. If you cast it afterwards, then they get a new save.

>with no save

Remember, this is either your own shitty houserule, or your own abysmal reading comprehension.

>>47305313
"The control" means the commands given after domination has been established.

>>47305290

Alright then. Thanks for the prior notice.

>>47305241
Its not usually necessary for PCs, as most monsters don't have their nature violated by attacking other monsters, while good aligned PCs generally won't willingly attack their friends.

Ignore the idiot who thinks it denies them their first save. Its also a lot of investment for a power that is *automatically* cancelled by a first level spell.

>>47305313
Nopers! Keyword is:

>a new saving throw

The "resist the control" thing refers to fighting against commands against their nature.

>>47305313
It also explicitly states that you get a NEW saving throw when compelled to do something self-destructive, implying there was a previous one. "its victims do not actively resist the control and do not gain a new saving throw when ordered to take actions against their nature" is one part of the ability, and the second part of that sentence merely clarifies the mechanical parts of the first one.

>>47305290
Have fun

Ruling question:
Using Martial Training 1 to get enduring crane strike, then using a small punching dummy or something out of combat to replace a wand of CLW (refreshing as a full round action, so each heal takes 12 seconds) is possible by RAW and not totally imbalanced, correct?
Party of martials who otherwise can't even UMD a wand, expecting to go up against some longer dungeons that may require healing between fights. I'd planned on going silver crane anyways since it fits my character and gives some nice benefits for feats that would otherwise be dumb shit like weapon focus, but unsure if I should take the heal or go for one of the other 1st level maneuvers.

>>47305438
As a GM, I'd allow it only if you did nonlethal sparring for it.
That'd be radical.
Dummy, no.
But hey, you're right - RAW seems like it lets you do that.
Should probably ask your GM, as always.

>>47305438
>Using Martial Training 1 to get enduring crane strike, then using a small punching dummy or something out of combat to replace a wand of CLW (refreshing as a full round action, so each heal takes 12 seconds) is possible by RAW and not totally imbalanced, correct?
By RAW, technically no it has to target a creature, that being said you can nonlethally punch yourself/others.
Most dms will not allow the infinite free out of combat healing though.

>>47305313
Fun fact: you aren't dominated until you fail your initial saving throw against the dominate effect. It's only after you are dominated that you don't actively resist the control.

>>47305497
>Most dms will not allow the infinite free out of combat healing though.
I disagree.
Out of combat healing is meaningless if it's within the party only.
I let my party sit down and rest for an hour to heal to full.
If I wanted to run some kind of grimdark "Avoid battle because you're still fucked up from the fight last week" game I wouldn't be running PF.
Just my two cents, of course.

>>47305545
So, did you buff incombat Healing, or it's useless at all in your games?

>>47305290
You have a son?

>>47305470
>>47305497
Fair enough, I have the horrible misfortune of being a kineticist so eating nonlethal is bad news bears, but i'm sure the d12 hd ranger wouldn't mind some friendly shoulder pats courtesy of the friendly local 9 str kineticist after combat.
I think it's pretty manageable for a dm though, you can always just have it be interrupted, and it seems like it would end up being mostly swapping lethal damage for smaller amounts of nonlethal.

Another DM chiming in with two cents; I've been running free out of combat healing for years in both 3.5 and PF. Didn't break anything, made encounters more fun.

>>47305580
In-combat healing is useless anyway unless you're a vitalist or spheres healer, or using Heal.

>>47305290
Why's your son taking over for you on /tg/ anyways?

>>47305580
I have a houserule that all health values are increased by 50% and healing effects are doubled in combat.
Really, though, my PF is so houseruled that it's unfair to compare it to normal PF. It's not really the same game anymore.

>>47305545
>Most dms
>I
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>>47305594
Oradins can pull pretty solid in combat heals

>>47305610
>Common sense does not apply to most people
Every day you learn something new, huh?

>>47302836
My Wizard just hit level 7. I'll be taking Improved Familiar for either an Imp or a Faerie Dragon. Imp has a LOT of great abilities, like Commune, Invisibility at will, Beast Shape, while the Faerie Dragon has Greater Invisibility 3/day, some neat abilities and casts as a Sorcerer. That means the Faerie Dragon can use any Sorcerer/Wizard wands.

>>47305610
Not him, but let's go with "no DM I have played with in the past five years or so would care about it, because wands of lesser vigor cure light wounds/infernal healing and/or boots of the earth are cheap as fuck.

>>47305591
Well the healing from the strike can be put against the non lethal damge done with the strike. It means you can easily out pace the damage you deal.

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>>47305624
If your a necromancer, if, go for a negative energy elemental if your gm allows it. Any spell using negative energy(see a good few) are auto maximized. Not to mention the free healing for undead.
Imagine, maximized enervations for days.

>>47305610
I have literally not played in a game where the GM gave a shit about healing at all. Except one time we had an "I WILL HEAL THE WHOLE PLANET SO HELP ME GOD" Cleric.
Like, one time we didn't have a caster with cure spells or any way to heal at all and he just let us each start with a ring of fast healing 1.
I kind of figured this was the standard "who the fuck does it by the books" houserule, just like not actually making Bluff rolls if you bluffed well in RP or not keeping track of carrying capacity for generic adventuring gear.

>>47305637
The Issue I see with it, especially when you throw initiators into the mix, is it makes it so that an initiator always fights at 100%, they will always have their maneuvers, stances, and full hp, meanwhile the casters, manifestors, stuff with per day primary class features, will generally grind down and run out of spells (Assuming we are not doing one fight sleep for eight hours shenanigans).
It makes the initiators able to do fight every fight with all their resources with 0 expenditure.

>>47305705
>not actually making Bluff rolls if you bluffed well in RP
TRIGGERED
Just remembered how a GM made me roll Bluff after a sick-ass setup and a great RP delivery and I fucked it with a nat 1 and it didn't work.

>>47305728
Or just have the casters arbitrarily recover their spells when the game calls for it

>>47305603
I use max HP and buffed the heals to 1d6+4 "per die" (So, Cure Light Wounds at CL 5 heals 1d6+9, while a Cure Moderate Heals 2d6+13). So far, it works wonders.

And I get that feeling. My games are heavy modded too.

>>47305728
>Going into every encounter with full health is terrible!
Better ban anyone with channel energy and cure spells on their list.
Or anyone who can UMD a wand they bought for 750gp using Rich Parents.
And boots of the earth.

>>47305646
Oh right, some nonlethal damage isn't as ass-backwards as burn and can actually be healed or removed.
Sometimes I forget how nice it is to not be a kineticist.

>>47305728
>Literally half the classes in the game can heal themselves, if not others, extremely early on in levels
>It's problematic when the martials get to have it too
Anon...

>>47305771
>Better ban anyone with channel energy and cure spells on their list.
>Or anyone who can UMD a wand they bought for 750gp using Rich Parents.
You mean stuff that has limited uses or uses per a day? Wow you are right that is totaly the same as free healing to full before every combat.
>>47305740
We are not 4th edition anon.

>>47305816
Maybe you should move on to 4th edition then.

>>47305785
You are missing the point where it isnt healing themselves it is healing themselves to full for free unlimited times a day with 0 resource expenditure.
Casters have to spend Spells, Manifesters PP, potions, wands, ect cost gold, boots of the earth cost an item slot and gold.
This is literally I can heal to full as a class feature as many times as I want for free.

>>47305816
What the fuck kind of grueling arena are you in where Channel Fucking Energy doesn't last the whole day?
Wait, don't tell me you don't do out of combat maximized healing, anon. That'd mean you're fucking stupid, and I give more credit to my fellow /pfg/ shitposters than that!

>>47305847
>This is literally I can heal to full as a class feature as many times as I want for free.
I have that as a basic thing any character can do by just resting in my games.
I wasn't aware my sessions were broken, imbalanced pieces of shit!
Thanks for letting me know, I'll go and remove that houserule right now. What was I thinking? Damn.

>>47305816
>You mean stuff that has limited uses or uses per a day? Wow you are right that is totally the same as free healing to full before every combat.

Isn't CLW wand like 25g a pop? IIRC there's 30 in a wand. As long as your gold/hp ratio in combat is better than that, it's functionally infinite.

>>47305881
50 per wand, anon.
It's 15 a pop.
I.e. literally nothing.

>>47302823
Seconding / bumping this

>>47305881
>>47305898

Yes, it's cheap but someone can steal the wand, someplaces cannot sell them, you can find yourself very away from civilization and unable to recharge your portable cleric, and STILL costs something.

You cannot steal or make a class feature don't work without the players feel cheated, and if you are ALWAYS running every encounter at full HP since Level 1 is boring as hell.

D&D 4th really hit the right spot with Healing Surges, because you can't heal infinite times per day.

>You can only heal HP though maneuvers or stances by an amount per day=to your maximum hit points
>Strikes that give you HP must be used lethally in order to gain the benefit of health recovery.

>>47306138
Oh yeah, I was meaning to ask how those work for house rules?

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>>47305290
Do we harass him like we harass you?

I don't allow any kind of healing in my games. Your current health can only go up if you level up and the whole pool increases.

Healing is an unrealistic mechanic for shitbabies that don't want their special snowflake anime character to die.

>>47306138
My houserules for Initiators healing is you gain temporary hitpoints. Feel more like "keep on fighting!" and less "I'm Wolverine, bitch".

But if some Stance give you Fast Healing, is really healing.

>>47306196
Aah, you're more of the "throw the PCs into a meatgrinder" type?

>>47306196
This, getting real sick of these fucking martial shitters complaining that they can't magically heal or do damage in combat. I tried lifting a sword once, and they're way too heavy to hurt anyone with.

>>47305847
Point of order: Nobody wears Boots of the Earth ALL the time. They put them on when they need heals and take them off when they're done.

>>47306245
Right? I tried building and firing a bow once, and I barely got six feet out of the thing, let alone a hundred. Martials should be glad they bend realism as far as they already do!

>>47306252
Actually I am literally always wearing boots of the earth on 2 characters right now because the GM never seems to give out feet slot items

>>47306221
More like he's criticizing people who won't let Pact of War characters by abusing a poorly implemented/worded group of mechanics for infinite healing at no cost or risk.

>>47306196
Found the Wizard.

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Hello /pfg/!

I've decided to try something new for the next session(s) of the campaign I'm running: an investigation.

Setting's modified Korvosa.
A "special" theatrical troupe has taken to torturing animals, and then humanoid creatures (slowly leading up to straight-up kidnapping and gruesome on-stage execution) for the pleasure of a select few spectators.
However, during one of the shows, a Derro escaped, and came back to his brethrens with a thirst for revenge: the creatures have decided to start a campaign of terror, enticed by this fanatic and charismatic new leader.

Instead of just having the PCs hear about the derros and pointing them towards a dungeon to crawl, I'd like to have them investigate a disappearance and discover a few similar cases, eventually finding out the identity of the kidnappers and their hideout - maybe create some confusion with the other kidnappers (the theatrical troupe, which has started to take to human victims).

However, I've no clue how to realize all of that.

tl;dr: is there a tutorial somewhere on how to write an investigation quest? Is there a module I could steal from?
Is this a terrible idea in the first place?

If someone game in with a story about a boss who constantly ran away and healed back to full HP by flicking his kitten with Silver Crane/Elemental Flux stance, you fucks would bitch endlessly.

I like Path of War, but it has flaws. A lot of flaws. Flaws aside from PF/Broken Blade, in fact I think Primal Fury and Broken Blade is the LEAST of Path of Wars problems as far as disciplines and maneuvers are concerned.

>>47306342
Ultimate Intrigue actually has some reasonably good advice for this kind of stuff.

>>47306414
>If someone game in with a story about a boss who constantly ran away and healed back to full HP by flicking his kitten with Silver Crane/Elemental Flux stance, you fucks would bitch endlessly.

Agreed.

>I like Path of War, but it has flaws. A lot of flaws. Flaws aside from PF/Broken Blade, in fact I think Primal Fury and Broken Blade is the LEAST of Path of Wars problems as far as disciplines and maneuvers are concerned.

Care to expand?

>>47305584
Two, but the younger one is a lot more shy than the older and I left before he really got to know me, so he doesn't visit just yet. When he's older, he, too, will come on these summer visits.

>>47306431
Time to look it up. Thanks anon!

>>47306414
What kind of flaws?

>>47306414

There's already a creature template in 1st-party stuff that can just dimension door away from a losing battle and be back to full health in a minute or two thanks to fast healing 5.

>>47306453
It also has a lot of good pointers about how to handle spells when it comes to investigation stuff.

>>47306342
10/10 would play, care to elaborate some more?

>>47306414
No, not particularly. As the BBEG, he's also completely capable of hitting random townsfolk for healing, too, or just sucking down potions that he pulled out of his ass because he's the BBEG..

I mean, how the fuck often do you actually fight creatures that start off with less than their full HP, anyway?

>>47306414
Not really. I fully expect an enemy who retreats instead of fighting to the death to have SOME method of healing, whether it's by potions, wands, spells, or maneuvers.

>>47306534
Same here.

>>47306453
I'm actually in sort of a similar situation. Does anyone have the relevant scans?

>>47306489
this

>>47306576
Ultimate intrigue can be found on the Trove (look up the embedded Unified /pfg/ link repository!)

>>47306480
Good to know, though I doubt it'll be useful as the PCs will be around level four.

>>47306481
Sure thing, though I'm not sure what to elaborate on. The plot's not quite refined yet. The part with the Derros is just an excuse to have the PCs level up to 5, when they'll be strong enough to handle the rest of the content I've prepared; and the Theatrical troupe will pop up later on in the campaign (though, I'll adapt if they decide to completely decimate it.)

>>47306450
>Fuck awful disciplines like Piercing Thunder, getting printed.

>Claiming to give martials versatility, when in actuality very few disciplines actually provide interesting out of combat versatility. There's veiled moon, E.Flux, some BB shit that lets you break walls with your balls, and some token flight from SC and BS.

>the in combat utility is nice, and fighting as a martial is ACTUALLY fun and that alone make PoW a keeper at my table. Not a flaw, just felt like I was being too negative.

>few ways to actually counter an effective initiator, there's grappling and that's it. I really wouldn't mind seeing an "anti-initiator" supplement with some counters, though I imagine that this would make /pfg/ blow a gasket.
>god forbid you actually fight other initiators! Despite those being one of the few things that actually negate them.

>Skill Check in place of X maneuvers.

>Warlords basically being able to steam roll everything if they find the right combo of "nigga you dead" boosts and strikes to spam.

>Stalkers are a bit too weak

>>47306453
>>47306576
It's in the core folder in here: https://mega.nz/#F!dsxR3KCJ!tbmlmKB_IsgDtzzrlXkVVQ!p4xAFZZR

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>>47303724
I'm joining a new game as a Shattered Mind. Thinking Metacreativity/Psychometabolism/Psychoportation, go pure support caster. Gotta find good art, though, and figure out my 1st level feat and powers.

>>47306752
Gtfo anti-pow

>>47306752
That's why I only use the Disciplines with the Martial Training Feats. You have to pay a huge price to have it, and the recovery is the worse of all.

>>47303951
Logs are great, it's easier to achieve proper tone rather than trying to put on a stupid voice, and if you're thinking about things in advance you can keep up pretty well.

Admittedly, I also type at 80-90WPM whereas I tend to hem and haw a lot in voice, so the speed difference isn't as apparent, either.

>>47306752
Yeah, I greatly prefer the 6-level initiators, with the OPTION of using feats to get higher-level stuff, but otherwise just getting neat things.

I houserule save DCs on maneuvers to always be the level they'd be for an X level spell though, because low-level maneuvers stopping being useful sucks.

>>47306185
>Forrest
>him

Don't be rude.

>>47306880
Nono, the anon's already doing the harrassing.

Forrest's unflappable though, so...

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>>47306880
>tfw no forrest gf

>>47302836
If you get Improved familiar through the Edritch heritage chain, does it still give -2 to your effective level for the improved familiars, or only for normal ones?

>>47306911
I seem to recall something about not being able to get a familiar via Eldritch Heritage

>>47306752
Haven't read through PoW, but if the rule holds over from ToB, anything that immobilizes an initiator prevents them from using maneuvers. So that pinning, as well as anything like Hold Person et. al.

Still have to get through their counters, but that's not that hard to do, just fucking attack them twice in one turn. (In b4 Assert Reality fags).

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>>47302848
Nosoi!

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>>47306908
Y'all are weird.

>>47306924
I fail to see why.

Eldritch Heritage
>You gain the first-level bloodline power for the selected bloodline.

Arcane Bloodline
>Arcane Bond (Su): At 1st level, you gain an arcane bond, as a wizard equal to your sorcerer level.

>>47306975

You know that, we know that, and they know that.

>>47304237
River Kingdoms, Ustalav, what other people said.

>>47307006
Hm. It might've just been for the universal 'swap your 1st level power for a familiar' thing.

>>47306801
I haven't looked at them all, but Warlords and Mystics are the only ones that seem to have "problematic" recovery methods. Warlords for spam potential, Mystic's bullshit is just arcane and inconvenient.

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>>47305043
>>47305093
In PF it's called "The First World." Vilderavns running out of PCs to kill would probably fall under the subject of First World Problems.

>>47307052
You, fuck you

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>>47307052

>>47307052
You cheeky cunt.

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Why are siege weapons so weak? The damage they do is shockingly low.

>>47304858
Why not both? alter self is a low level spell...

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Don't hide it from me, /pfg/.

Tell me about the spookiest shit that you ever saw going down in a pathfinder game.

>>47306965
It's so cute. I want one now.
On another note: Does anyone have a recommended generator for weapon descriptions/names? I need inspiration.

>>47305327
>Molthune
>Evil
WRONG!
Although I love the idea of a Vilderaven manipulating the Board of Generals.

>>47307728
If you consider "martials can't have nice things" as a spectrum rather than a binary switch, it becomes very obvious:

Below 'magic':
Swords and Longbows are the most magicky fantasy-y of the weapons, and get generally the best treatment as a result. They are the "least martial" of the weapons.

Polearms are seen by developers and those with hero-complexes (outside of asia, where things like the Guan-Dao get the treatment we give swords) as weapons of the rabble. The shitty crap the swords and bows cut through by the thousand on their own because heroes, yet given JUST enough that they pose, en-masse, a nearly credible threat to these heroes, lest it be a rather questionably ethical massacre of people one would have to consider not equipped for combat.

And THEN. Not even there to face the heroes, literally just there for soldiers who can't even fight to spend six months surrounding a wall in hopes the other side gives up... are siege weapons. Pure mechanical tactical existences, the very BANE of "my wizard is more intelligent than your jock thats why I win" thought processes. As if that wasn't bad enough, dying to some "random" catapult stone is "anticlimatic", "unheroic", and more or less viewed as "rocks fall" (they kiiiinda do)

Siege weapons are shit because those who made these games WANT them to be shit. They want them to be the most and worst shit, but, despite the use of words like "balance" and "fairness", much like the crossbow, will nevertheless INSIST and DEMAND that their drawbacks: being heavy and slow, are not only enforced, but also prevented from being bypassed by such silly nonmagical means as "a fucking giant picked it up because it's just a large weapon". Not without many, many hoops.

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>>47307052

>>47307975
I ran a whole campaign based on an island of neverending night-time full of undead monstrosities that keep coming back unless you burn the corpses. But the fire draws more.
The party had to explore and clear out an old castle to use as a home base.
What started off as spooky shit within the castle eventually became friendly NPC undead when they recruited a medium NPC.
I bait-and-switched them into the campaign, so they were completely unprepared. Only one of them had a strong Will save, and they had no way to deal with Fear effects.
Literally every session was super spooky, I can't pick one specific thing.
Sadly, just like everything in my life, after a great, promising start, it ended up floundering pathetically, then was left behind by everyone and is now spending time collecting dust in a dark corner.

>>47308086
This sounds amazing.

>>47307037
You forgot harbinger and bushi.

Anyone here play Psychic? How is it compare to Sorcerer?

>>47308086
I'd love to play in that campaign even knowing it was going to happen with the stipulation that we couldn't build characters for anti-undead shit. It sounds awesome, of course I'd love to go into it as a class that could interact with the spooky shit and I have a friend who'd love to play an artificer and sit around making shit for the party (you wouldn't want him doing that though).

>>47308286
One of my previous players was actually an Artificer/Warder.
He spent a lot of time crafting things and bro-ing up with the skelesmith. I didn't mind.

Honestly, I'd like to run the campaign again. I've been working on it on-and-off for over a year now, well before and well after the game.
Thing is, the way my group plays PF is... unorthodox. So I'd have to get used to a new program and port all my assets and stuff to it, which would take a while...
I'd do it, though, I think.
Would be interesting to try out a text-based game, as well. Always felt that my greatest weakness as a GM was my horrible range and thick accent.

>>47308014
>Works for Cheliax
>modeled on WWI Germany
>not Evil

NIRMATHAS DID NOTHING WRONG

>>47308366
The reason why you'd hate him as an artificer is that he's already broken them in 3.5 (yeah, the guy that wrote the cost reduction guide) and he's already found a few ways to make them even more bullshit than they are in pathfinder. There's a reason why our friend who's going to start a campaign soon won't let him play a full caster, he doesn't know how to limit power levels (his going easy on an artificer was still under 25% of cost).

>>47305584
his wife's son

>>47305290
who are you?

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>>47307975
>Game takes place at the bottom of a bottomless pit
>There's a little shanty town of people living down there and they're all a little weird. And by weird, I mean that most all of them have various animal/monster parts. Like, one dude has a bugbear arm, or a lady has chicken legs
>Horrifying monsters attack the town from the surrounding darkness, injuring people and then slinking back into the darkness
>The little town has this woman that everyone calls "The Doctor"
>She has a hut on the outskirts of the town, near the underground fungi forest
>When people get hurt, she "heals" them
>Her method of healing is as follows:
>Guy comes in with broken arm
>Doctor uses transmutation magic to change his arm into a troglodyte arm
>Doctor decrees him healed
>There is something off about this doctor
Later on in the campaign
>We find the doctor's hidden lab
>She's been creating the horrible monsters that attack the town, which gives her willing participants for her twisted transmutation experiments

And that's just some of the stuff from this campaign.

>>47308496
Sounds like my kind of guy.
I played a crafter that churned things out at quadruple speed for 25% of the cost for a while.
The GM didn't appreciate it.

Let me be straight for a sec:
Who's up to play this? >>47308086
If I get three players, I'll run it.
I got a couple responses already, but hey, maybe no one's actually up for it. Worth a shot, right?

I'm GMT+2 but I'm available quite a lot for the coming few months.
Hell, it's 3 AM for me right now and I'm sitting here anyway.

Criteria:
No ERP
Keep magical realm to a minimum
Show up for games consistently
Don't build specifically to counter the campaign

Details:
Gestalt
Any 3pp within reason
DSP and Interjection Games OK without asking
25PB
I've got some homebrew races available too
Starting level negotiable, no higher than 6 though
Constant GM fiat that isn't even written down as houserules (being hit by a giant wielding a tree trunk moves you X squares etc.)
Not sure what program, we can figure that out (My group uses Tabletop Simulator + voice but it's actually pretty shitty)

As a Warlock vigilante, could I use Weapon Finesse and Deadly Agility on my Mystic Bolts?

>>47308705
I want to but I'm GMT-5 and I need to actually find a job.

>>47308086
More elaboration needed

>>47308705
Theoretically interested. GMT-5, not available Wednesdays or probably Saturdays.

>>47308832
What do you want to know?

>>47308705
I'm up for it, how should I contact you?

>>47308876
I'm on Steam and Discord.
I avoid social media because I'm a huge loser.
You got one of those or should I come to you?

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>>47308494

If Molthune is modeled after Great War Germany, what is Nirmathas?

Belgium?

>>47308748
Aren't Mystic Bolts ranged attacks? Weapon Finesse only works for melee

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>>47308934

I will never not get over just how stacked that supposed peasant woman is.

Fuck, forget the stacked, she's just straight-up gorgeous.

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>>47308748
Technically no, because mystic bolts don't get any stat-based scaling WAY TO GO PAIZO YOU FUCKUPS but since it also counts as a light weapon, who the fuck knows. I'd allow it, though I probably would have also just ruled that a Warlock loses all those appearance abilities and instead gets shit like a ghetto arcane pool and a better way to scale their bolts. Also arcane strike not taking an action anymore.

>>47308943
Mystic Bolts function as a light melee weapon, with a throw range of 30.

>>47308888
Might be easier to make a discord channel, then pull in the chosen few to the real channel.

>>47308888
Roll20?

>>47308494
They didn't do anything right, either.

>>47308934
Stereotypical American ideal of France. That is to say, worthless in a fight, uppity, and incapable of success. Despite never getting any spotlight it's pretty much the Paizo dev team's wet dream, a near-anarchy that seems almost allergic to any form of organization or leadership, the only problem being that the people live in nature instead of an enlightened metropolis.

>Join roll20 game labeled as text only
>GM makes me do session 0 alone, pretty good text only
>Sesh 1 starts
>Everyone on skype
>Literally use voice only for entire game
>OoC chat kills whatever immersion I have on the game

Why do people lie like this?

>>47308953
They can't pillage our gold if they're too busy raping our women.

>>47309064
https://discord.gg/0118AGO0A1M26m1up
Should work. Let me know if it doesn't.
Never administrated a channel before, though there isn't much to mess up.

>>47309077
No experience with it whatsoever. Not even signed up, I think. I can learn, of course. It's probably what we'll end up using, I'd imagine.

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>>47308953
Peasant women are fucking hot in Golarion m8

>>47309151

Huh. Think the guys who raid my village are doing it wrong, then-they keep raping our gold.

>>47309078
>Despite never getting any spotlight it's pretty much the Paizo dev team's wet dream, a near-anarchy that seems almost allergic to any form of organization or leadership, the only problem being that the people live in nature instead of an enlightened metropolis.

For some reason I enjoy how Nirmathas is even more "Starting Level: The Land" than Varisia.

You've got burned villages, sleepy villages that shouldn't exist, generic asshole humanoid bad guys, and more!

>>47309245

>Le "I accidentally raped the crops and burned the women" meme

It's literally all that gets posted anymore.

>>47309190

Considering Shayliss Vinder is a peasant woman, I can absolutely see it.

It's like, the moment they take a healthy dose of Chaotic liberalism from living in a city do they become insufferably plain and "quirky."

>>47309245
Dwarves are weird like that.

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>>47309078
>Stereotypical American ideal of France. That is to say, worthless in a fight, uppity, and incapable of success. Despite never getting any spotlight it's pretty much the Paizo dev team's wet dream, a near-anarchy that seems almost allergic to any form of organization or leadership, the only problem being that the people live in nature instead of an enlightened metropolis.

Why can't we ever get an AP based on the Nirmathas/Molthune conflict, or even find a DM that's interested in crafting some homebrew for it?

Because golly gee, that entire region is basically the most adorable case of "Evil Empire of Faceless Mooks and Superweapon-of-the-week is invading Land of Plucky Heroes, Flammable Villages and pleasant Not!French Countrysides" I've ever seen.

>>47309413
Do we really need to have another AP that has the exact same plot? The only difference would be that it takes place in a idealistic rural setting instead of an enlightened, progressive urban utopia.

>>47309450
>Do we really need to have another AP that has the exact same plot

I wasn't aware there was an AP set in the middle of a foreign invasion.

>>47309466
We all know we've had this AP several times before.

>Freedom-loving CG rebel-types fight back against oppressive-mean fascist LE-types.

Molthune would become nothing more than a villain of the week and a different shade of Cheliax.

I don't think Paizo has the ability to write Molthune as an antagonist without making them LE.

A real interesting idea would be to have the players be new recruits for the Molthune army, which is notoriously diverse and egalitarian. You could be a Telfling fleeing oppression from Cheliax, a refuge escaping the state religion of Nidal, a former noble of Galt looking to start over or a former Ulfun Guard on his way home. They would start as new recruits, undertake a few missions and eventually lead the armies of Molthune to glorious victory over the dirt diggers and tree-hugging cabin-dwellers.

So, wait, where does Kintargo go at the end of Hell's Rebels?

To its own demiplane?

If I ever run it, I'm retconning it so it gets taken to the First World.

Nice job breaking it, heroes.

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>>47309548
>A real interesting idea would be to have the players be new recruits for the Molthune army, which is notoriously diverse and egalitarian. You could be a Telfling fleeing oppression from Cheliax, a refuge escaping the state religion of Nidal, a former noble of Galt looking to start over or a former Ulfun Guard on his way home. They would start as new recruits, undertake a few missions and eventually lead the armies of Molthune to glorious victory over the dirt diggers and tree-hugging cabin-dwellers.

And to make everyone happy, the party goes rogue after their Commander orders them to commit some war crimes on a village you just conquered, and it eventually becomes the goal of the party to avenge the tree-hugging little peasant shits and kill their commander, who eventually goes rogue himself to forge his own kingdom within Nirmathas.

Is Forrest here, yet?
I got several questions that requires answers.

>>47309598
NO! THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS!
GOD DAMN IT PAIZO!
GOD DAMN!

>>47309556
It stays on the Material Plane, I think they rewrote it because that was are really stupid idea.

The Song of Silver is now just a spell ritual that screws over Devils while inside the city and Kintargo uses as loophole in the contract between Cheliax and Hell to prevent Thrune from deploying it's army to retake the territory.

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>>47309663
>NO! THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS!
>GOD DAMN IT PAIZO!
>GOD DAMN!

YOU CAN'T JUST TELL THE PARTY THEY'RE VICIOUS IMPERIALISTS, BROSKI.

YOU CAN'T, NOT WHEN THERE'S ACTUAL GEOPOLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS AT STAKE.

I'd like to make my alchemist more flavorful by making him reliant on freaky flesh pockets for storing things in his torso.

Are there any magic items/spells/fleshcrafting procedures that let me do this?

>>47309548
Can we not have ANOTHER AP with Paizo writing in 'notoriously diverse and egalitarian' people with formerly oppressed groups teaming together?

>>47309711
WHAT IF I WANT TO BE A VICIOUS IMPERIALIST?
GOD DAMN IT, NOT EVERY GROUP OF PROTAGONISTS HAS TO BE GOOD ALIGNED!

THIS IS WHY NEUTRAL EXISTS!

>>47309743
>Can we not have ANOTHER AP with Paizo writing in 'notoriously diverse and egalitarian' people with formerly oppressed groups teaming together?

That's all they can write, though.

>>47309743
Name one AP that does that.

>>47309413
I'm coming up with one, sort of. The heroes are either hired by Nirmathas to defend it or hired by someone else (PFS?) to investigate some goings-on. Basically, the conflict is ramping up with the addition of some various magical weapons provided by shady arms dealers. Constructs, Undead, some kind of magic cannons, the works. The PCs have to navigate the conflict as well as politics of war while dealing with these arms dealers who are selling to both sides and causing wide spread death and destruction.

The secret is that most of the arms dealers are Changelings and Fairies, serving a coven of Hags from the other side of Lake Encarthan, who want to completely destabilize the region and found their own horrible, anarchic nation of monsters dedicated to fear, violence, and the continuing worship of Gyronna, which is of course spread through misery.

I came up with it for a homebrew setting but I think it translates well enough into Golarion. There'll be fairies and unkillable, not-quite-alive soldiers and Hobgoblin fanatics and maybe one of these guys >>47307052.

>>47308888
I am slowcogs on discord.

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So /pfg/, since Hell's Vengeance will be wrapping up "soon", what's the outlook on Strange Aeons? Book 1 by Wes Schneider (same guy who did HV book 1), Book 2 by Tito Leati (if you ever played Age of Worms, he did "The Champion's Belt" and "Dawn of a New Age"), and I think Crystal was taken off of creative director?

>>47309711
>>47309761

Hell's Vengeance?

>>47309803
https://discord.gg/0118AGO0A1M26m1up
Hop in, friend.

>>47309805
I am excited for Hastur.

I saw the sign, and it literally opened up my mind.

>>47309782
Hell's Rebels

First line of the AP's summary

"The city of Kintargo has long been a safe haven for artists, freethinkers, and those marginalized by the oppressive Chelish government, but now the city has been placed under martial law by inquisitor Barzillai Thrune"

>>47309823
I think we deserve a little more breadth to our APs than 'Plucky-CG Rebels' and 'Irredeemable LE-Monsters'

>>47309874
How about CN pirates?

>>47309862
>a group of diverse individuals team up to face a threat
You just described every campaign that has ever been written or played. It's the basis of how a group gets together.

When you make a statement that's universally broad, it doesn't really apply to anything specific.

>>47309782
Hell's Rebels, portions of Reign of Winter, arguably Curse of the Crimson Throne, later sections of Jade Regent, you could make the argument for Skulls & Shackles and Serpent's Skull as well.

>>47309904
What I said was " 'notoriously diverse and egalitarian' people with formerly oppressed groups teaming together?"

And he asked me for an example.

That is a lot more specific than 'diverse individuals team up to face a threat'

Hell, I could've specified against a tyrant. Tyrant comes up like 10 times in the three line summaries of Paizo's AP

>>47309889
Skull and Shackles was really good, but you still end up fighting against the LE-meanies who are trying to hamper your freedom and self-expression.

You don't really get to be pillaging/rampaging pirates, you spend most of the AP fighting other pirates and eventually fighting Thrune like in every third AP Paizo writes.

Also, killing the Hurricane King for no discernible reason whatsoever.

>>47309107
Is it lunaria ?

>>47309874
How about the anybodies/nobodies of RotRL, Shattered Star, Jade Regent, and Legacy of Fire? I don't think you need a specific alignment group for any of that. Bad guy in Legacy of Fire isn't even that evil, he's just a creep.

>>47309904
>You just described every campaign that has ever been written or played. It's the basis of how a group gets together.

The city has literally been compared to San Francisco by the developers, and features a rainbow cast of characters in diverse genders, shapes and colors.

You even talk about the rebellion in a Starbucks.

>>47309942
Wasn't he going to sell out the Shackles for a position of power under Chelish rule? Also, he was old and you were capable of defeating him, what more reason do pirates need?

>>47309936
'Notoriously diverse and egalitarian' is horrifically generic.

Molthune is a country that's ran by a military dictatorship that takes anyone willing to be a soldier and follow orders and in exchange grants rights and privileges based on that service. It's a great excuse for a group to get together while playing non-traditional races.

And the point is that Paizo tells all of it's APs from one perspective only. It'd be nice to have some variety and have the players be the head of a group that wasn't CG or out to make life better for everyone, just themselves. Most adventuring parties are like that anyway. concerned with their own benefit before that of others.

Molthune is just an entire military/country ran with a Murderhobo mindset.

>>47309949

>Jade Regent

That's part of the reason why I like Jade Regent so much; the party isn't necessarily good or evil, they're just trying to put the pretty little athletic ass of a righteous heir on her foreign throne. It's classic adventure without the overt undertones of, "YOU ARE GOOD, THEY ARE EVIL."

That said, the Jade Regent and his cronies *are* evil, though this takes a new spin when the adventurers aren't trying to topple him due to tyranny, but because he's simply undeserving of the throne.

>>47309949
>Bad guy in Legacy of Fire isn't even that evil, he's just a creep.
Jahavuhl is LE, he's just motivated by love.

>>47310014
So basically the party is helping Stannis?

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How many skill points I can use at level 7?

>Pathfinder
>Rogue
>4 Int

>>47310010
>Molthune is just an entire military/country ran with a Murderhobo mindset.

>Molthune is just an aspiring blob in EU IV where the player realizes his neighbors are weaker than him and don't have allies

Fixed.

Also I love the "Give Service, Get Reward" mindset Molthune has. You could totally expect to become counts, dukes or barons if you're the ones that toppled Nirmathas.

>>47310057
>4 int
HOW

>>47309966
The Hurricane King wasn't, that was one of the Free Lords the players kill, the same one who Shanghaied them in the first adventure.

The build-up of the AP is the threat of the Chelaxian invasion which is handled in the first three pages of the final adventure.

The rest of the climax is the players going after the Hurricane King for no reason. Piraty, yes, but there's no lead-up or reasoning for it in the plot.

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>>47310053
>So basically the party is helping Stannis?

If Stannis was a spunky twenty-something Japanese girl with firm tits and a tight ass, yes.

>>47310057
35 skill ranks

But I'm wondering how you have 4 int. Unless you meant +4 int, which equally why

>>47310076
My mistake, I meant +4 in Ability mod

>>47310087
So R63 Stannis.

>>47310113
HOW [2]

>>47310113
Are you human?

>>47310097
Yea it's +4 in mod

>>47310113
84 skill ranks then. Though being human/having a headband of int changes that

Why do you have such a high int as a rogue? See >>47310097

>>47310124
>>47310126
Is that a bad thing?

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>>47310122

Pretty much, you could even make her a stoic Lawful Neutral jaw-clenching hardass and literally nothing about the plot would change.

>>47310146
It's not just not especially useful on a rogue.

Rogues benefit primarily from dex, and then con for staying a live. Some play a bit of cha to be the party face, but most people here will tell you the first two are more important.

Did you roll stats or point buy?

>>47310146
What are your stats?

>>47310144
Trying to make "The man with may faces" and requires a linguistics and disguise

>>47309862
God damn, my last name is Thrun and everytime I see evil devil worshiping Thrune stuff I'm so excited.

I even played a Thrune Diabolist for a minute, was great until that SLA FAQ was turned back and imp could no longer craft. Died shortly after that anyway.

>>47310178
Str 15
Dex 12
Con 12
Int 18
Wis 16
Cha 17

>>47310204
>str high
>dex mid

What? Why? You need dex for a lot of your class skills.

>>47310087

Pretty sure that's a fanfic somewhere.

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>>47310204

>>47310204
How did you get those stats? Why do you have a decently good WIS score?

>>47310204
That 17 should be in your dex for ac and to hit, is this an unchained rogue?

>>47310263
I rolled really well

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>>47310204

Making an Illusionist/Dervish Defender/Bladecaster type character. Should I get myself a Familiar with nice ability bonuses (not sure which one), or should I bonded object my swordcane and enchant it up?

>>47310281
Nope

>>47310263
>perception isn't important to a rogue!

>>47310182
I wouldn't recommend rogue for that, friend.

Does your GM allow 3pp stuff?

There are a few good psionic powers for that, such as Minor Metamorphosis. You'll be able to instantaneously shapeshift You can go egoist for some bonuses, and it scales better with combat, even if all you want is infiltration.

>>47310310

It really isn't, just have the wizard use divination.

>>47310310
>Perception is more important then stealth to a rogue

>>47310303
Is this a CHAINED Rogue with this stats?

1- Your DM hates you.
2- You have no idea about how this game works.
3- This better be bait.

>>47310288
>>47310238
>>47310229

He's new guys

>>47310285
See if you can invest in a hat of disguise in early levels, rather than building just to disguise more effectively, if you're going a mundane class.

>>47310345
If he is new, he have a SHITTY GM for allow you play a near useless class without even the right ability scores to be able to help his teamates.

A Warrior with STR 18 is more useful that this shit.

>>47310204
If you want to play disguise master with those stats play a wizard and just pick up illusions. Alter self is basically going to be a bread and butter spell for you.

>>47310356
GMs probably new too.

Or don't really think about party balance that much. I would say 80% of the audience doesn't really. They just think Fighter, Healer, Rogue, Mage.

>>47310345
>>47310356
>>47310361
It's all home brew, it doesn't have to be a disguise rouge. I just want a fun character that I can get some laughs out. My past two character were cut and paste fighters.

>>47310361
Actually, I find Empiricist Investigators to be MUCH better at that role than rogues.

Hell, Empiricist Investigators are spell-less bards/rogues with their own really good niche.

I've never tried the Questioner yet though - but then again, I haven't gamed with any group in 5 months.

>>47310361
>If you want to play disguise master with those stats play a wizard and just pick up illusions.

Disguises are those things that magic fails at IMO. Especially if you use a glammer or illusion spell since those things incur a will save to disbelieve and results in an automatic social failure and trigger combat as opposed to a sense motive vs bluff from a simple disguise wherein a mere failure just brings you down a peg or two.

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>>47310165

>>47302552
Art looks suspiciously like it was copied off from a Dark Souls concept armor.

>>47310144
Underground Chemist Rogue?
I had one who use like 20 bottle of Acid/Alchemist's fire per combat. It was fun.

>>47310423
Rogues are one of the worst classes at being Rogues.

>>47310546
We were calling it the Darksouls Fairy when the book first came out.

Is Havoker Witch the best Warlock? I knew it's weaker than normal witch but it's still tier 1 class.

>>47310559
My DM banned Alchemy

>>47310599
Your DM is shit.

>>47310599
Holy shit, what? Why? that doesn't make any sense.

Not even from a rules perspective - Alchemy is so low-key that it does NOTHING in high end games outside of incredibly niche gimmick builds.

>>47310666
I totally agree, Satan. It's always nice to alchemicals around, they're just a nice thing to have.

>>47310599
Y-

Alchemy.

Like, not even Alchemist and Investigator's 'casting'. Fucking alchemist's fire--type alchemy?

>>47310647
>>47310690
>>47310666
He banned Alchemy and Gunslinger because he believes that's it's bit advance for our group

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>>47310726
I can honestly say I would walk out on that game.

>>47308854
All of it

>>47310759
You wanna hear one of the tales of my first character Felix Goodman?
It's rather sad

>>47310726
>He banned Alchemy and Gunslinger
Alchemy is ... what? I just. No words.

>>47310726
What? But why?
I jumped headlong into vancian casting and psionic power pools in my first month of D&D 3.5e. Its not hard. Its not rocket surgery!

>>47310789
Too much to type up, anon!
Be more specific.
Or... Join the game!

>>47309805
Crystal was never creative director. JJ is and has been creative director. He was also supposed to be the lead on this one, but Adam Daigle is doing it now.

>>47310809
Wait, are you recruiting for a game? Color me interested, particularly given the snippet found above.

>>47310726
Tell him that Plate mail was invented after gunpowder and Fi, and that basic chemistry and alchemical study has been a thing since the Ancient Greeks

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Malaysia anon around?
Are you still recruiting for that GMT+8 saturday evening games?