Horus Heresy General /hhg/

So /tg/, if you wanted to avert or minimize the fallout from the Heresy by making any one change (Aside from easy ones like "Have the Emperor be a better Dad"), what would you do and why?

>>47301945
>So /tg/, if you wanted to avert or minimize the fallout from the Heresy by making any one change (Aside from easy ones like "Have the Emperor be a better Dad"), what would you do and why?

Leman Russ actually asks "Hey Big H, I know you said, make with the killykilly stabstab on ol' One Eye out there, but Dad said I should just, like, bring him back or something? I think I'll just confirm that with him, ttyl."

>>47301945
Prevent Hastur Sejanus going on that diplomatic trip that killed him. With him still alive, I don't think Erebus gets to indefinitely pour poison in Horus's ear.

Based Hastur best Hastur.

>>47301945
I shoot Erebus and Lorgar before they found Cadia.

>>47301945
I think un-nailing Angron would have a been a pretty big swing.

>>47301945
Airlock Erebus as soon as he suggest Horus look at these old parchments.

>>47301928
>sneak into the Emperor's lab
>pick up a primarch baby pod
>shake real hard
>shake it real good
>put it down
>move over to the next one
>repeat 19 more times
>receive Black Library HH

FUCK!

>>47302047
forty_keks.jpg

>>47301945

Erebus gets caught in the act of stealing the Anthame by Loken and/or Tarik, and fails at murdering his way out of it.

>>47301945
Tell Lorgar and Magnus the truth about how dangerous the warp is.

>>47301945
Teach Lorgar to actually believe in the Imperial Truth to point his desperate need to believe in SOMETHING in a decent direction.

>>47302167
I still like the idea of Lorgar worshipping Emps as the Omnissiah, as apparently that's allowed.

>>47301945
>Avert
Smother Erebus, Kor Phaeron, and Lorgar with power pillows. Optionally smother Lorgar with it until he thinks the ordeal was a dream and interprets it as a sign he shouldn't be emo about the whole rebuke. I do have two other ideas but I'm unsure to what extent nuking Davin into oblivion, or making sure the Interex never existed so Erebus couldn't steal the MURDER SWORD to give to Temba to wound Horus would have.
>>47302069
Kill this guy so he doesn't shake the baby pods to fix the mistake he made.
>>47302125
Emps told Magnus how dangerous it was, but he feigned shock and horror.
>minimizing
Rowboat Girlyman doesn't build his backup Imperium and gets to work on ending Horus's dank heresy with the other loyalists. The Ultramarines picking up slack would surely minimize the fallout right?

>>47302237

Well, Drowning the Traitors in bodies seems to work well 10,000 years later, so I don't see why it wouldn't now.

>>47301979
Underrated post. I liked the Old ultra-atheist legion. I shall read more about Sejanus

>>47301945
Make as many backups of the databanks and STCs on Mars as possible.

>>47302237
>>47302297
No need to drown Lorgar, just Erebus and Kor. Old man shouldnt even be a Space Marine, half-astartes he was

>>47302377
Agreed. Those two needed to be excised. Lorgar just needed to be pointed in a direction.

>>47302480
Just persuade Lorgar to worship Fulgrim. That'll keep both of them happy, and distract them from any chaos nonsense. Boom, two legions out of the rebellion.

>>47302554
Kor dies of old age
Erebus worships Fulgrim
Doesn't have time to steal anathame
Mankind learns about chaos, Horus doesn't turn and Magnus stops his witchery
Manking now uses the webway, finishes the Eldar remnants.
>40k: Won.

>>47302668
Also, guilliman never activates the pharos attracting the tyranids, and the idiotic thing they're going to have happen during the heresy that wakes the necrons up never happens either.

>>47302801
Trazyn says that he is an old friend of Guilliman, implying that they have met before.

So Sworn Brothers can't embark in each other transports, does this also mean I can't attach a character to a unit and embark them in a transport?

>>47302851
Attach yes. Embark no. You could deesptrike them together, though.

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>>47302339
If I'm not mistaken, the short story, The Wolf of Ash and Fire, is from Hastur's view for the most part. Is also a good insight to the Luna Wolves as a whole

>>47302297
>>47302377
>>47302480
>no one ever wants the power pillowed used
Lorgar doesn't have to die, just smothered enough to take it as a 2deep4u dream about the rebuke and how he shouldn't be an emo.

>>47301998
I'm almost sure it is mentioned he will die if the nails are removed.

>>47302949
I think Horus Rising or False Gods mentioned the Nails could be removed, but Angron refused to get them removed.

>>47301945
key in select primarchs to the webway project.

>>47302989
Oh wow that's quite a different story then

>>47303050
It was False Gods.
>Angron’s face was murder itself, his thick features scarred and bloody. Dark iron glinted on his scalp where cerebral cortex implants punctured his skull to amplify his already fearsome aggression. The implants had been grafted to Angron’s brain when he had been a slave, centuries before, and though the technology to remove them was available, he had never wanted them removed.

>>47303125
>>47303125
Whaaaaat. Drug him and remove them. And a kidney

Who is the strongest 1v1 fighter in HH tabletop-wise?

>>47303273
Pretty sure consensus on non-Primarchs is Siggy and/or Sev.

Primarchs, Horus always.

>>47303230
Lorgar should have just used the power pillow to subdue Angron, and then removed the Nails instead of turning Angron into a daemon.
>>47303273
>>47303317
You forgot Scoria.

>>47303350
Apologies to the scions of Based Beepboop

>>47303273
Scoria
Sigismund
Every other scrub

>>47303273
Whenever I fight Horus with Fulgrim I end up winning maybe 3/5ths of the time

But mostly they just tie each other up for like 10 rounds of combat

>>47301945
Send Lorgar to Mars after his discovery. Have him believe in the Omnissiah. He goes on to spread the Machine Cult but since his legions' conquests go at a slow pace it's not that big a deal, just tips the balance towards Mars a little bit in the far future.

>>47301974
This is no longer an option, as a company of Sons of Horus were the ones to deliver the message to Russ, in person.

>>47303967
Is it not then even more so, then?

"Hey Dad, so a bunch of Horus' boys showed up telling me to just skullfuck the everloving shit out of Magnus' big faceorb, juuuuuust wanted to doublecheck that's what you fully intend for me to do instead of taking the word of some XVI pansies."

>>47304035
Horus is the Warmaster, ordained directly by the Emperor. To question the Warmaster is to question the Emperor, and as Kharn has stated, Russ never questions the Emperor.

>>47304108
Even better when the orders are something that Russ felt was justified in the first place. See Wolf King.

>>47304108 >>47304119

Fair enough, but one would think that killing a fucking primarch would necessitate a bit more confirmation with the chain of command. Yes, it confirms Russ' bias, which is just another problem he had entirely.

>>47304181
Oh totally. In a way, I love that Magnus was fucked because he didn't follow orders, and Russ was fucked because he followed orders too closely. Tzeentch daemons and cultists keeping both sides in chaos certainly didn't help.

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>>47304108
The king tells you to go arrest lord Qwerty and bring him before the king. The kings favored general sens a bunch of soldiers to tell you "nah, just kill lord Qwerty." You already got an order from the king himself, telling you to bring him in alive, and now this general tells you to kill him. If I'm loyal to the king, I will not ignore a direct order from him over an order that came through an intermediary.

So, once again BL makes HH characters into complete retards. In the old fluff the Emperor was quite clear to Magnus that if he played around with the Warp, he'd get fucked. He did it and Russ was given the order to satiate his murderboner. Now we make Russ into a retard who ignored a clear order from the Emperor he so loves and instead gets tricked into destroying a whole planet in another case of "uh-oh, spaghettios!"

Did the primarchs not get enough oxygen when they were babies, did the Emperor think extra chromosomes would make them better, or what?

>>47304303
>implying Russ hasn't always been totally retarded.

>>47304331
Woof?

>>47304303
>favored general
Wrong. The Emperor in all but name. Horus was intended to be everything the Emperor was, not just militarily, and was to be followed in all respects.

>>47304331
Look, I'm fine with dumb barbarian Russ just itching to skull fuck someone if the Emperor so ordered. But if you're going to make him both follow the Emperor's orders unquestioned and then get tricked by "yo, bro, so dad changed his mind on the order he just gave you and he wants Magnus ded, ok?" It's HH levels of retarded.

It smells of nothing but FW needing some reason to stick more legions on Prospero.

>>47304412
Well, clearly you have some sources to present where Russ holds Horus in equal regards to the Emperor and would not question the Emperor changing his mind on an important order by delivering it through an intermediary.

>>47304487
>Well, clearly you have some sources to present where Russ holds Horus in equal regards to the Emperor and would not question the Emperor changing his mind on an important order by delivering it through an intermediary.

Not him.

Ullanor when Horus was chosen by the Emperor to be his Warmaster and told everybody that he speaks with his authority. Only a biased moron would dispute this.

>>47304487
>It smells of nothing but FW needing some reason to stick more legions on Prospero.

I don't consider FW as really solid canon. According to Laurie Goulding, the FW HG books are written as in-verse documents from an in-verse character whose name initials are AK. Him/her wasn't present for most of these events and I don't trust him/her work.

>>47304643
HH*

>>47304643
AK = Alpharius Kawaii

Didn't Horus pick up the order and then change it before forwrding it to Russ?

Do you think the Emperor would have eventually tried to do something about the Machine Cult?

>>47304586
If you have two people with equal authority giving conflicting orders, only a complete retard would not get confirmation from the highest source. Horus might speak with the Emperor's authority, but the Emperor still trumps Horus.

>>47304643
I wouldn't trust Laurie on that completely. And there is a Sister of Silence who's initials are AK. I wonder who that could be.
>>47304692
His intitals are GR though.
>>47304694
Yes.

Speaking about Ullanor. It was confirmed that it is the homeworld of the Orks. The Beast and his Waaaagh! have spawned from there. This means that Horus and the legions did not fully break the Orks there or cleanse them. They just left them to rebuild.

>>47304726
>His intitals are GR though.
Gralpharius Romegon, then.

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>>47304694
That was the middle fluff.
>>47304801
Genevieve Rocha

>>47304787
Aren't orks basically a supersentient gestalt fungus? The release spores making them almost impossible to fully eradicate, as they gestate in the ground in sparsely populated areas of the planet.

>>47304726
Alpharius Krakenhoff?

>>47304643
Well, I mean, a BL editor in charge of publishing the novels that compete with FW books. Totally unbiased opinion. Like, nobody at FW most certainly wouldn't have equal opinion of the drivel BL puts out.

I'll take a flawed in-world source over the 18 retards and their idiot dad ruins everything that BL is dumping out of their ass.

>>47304814
That does make it sound like Horus doesn't just come and give Russ an order or pretend he's delivering one from the Emperor. If that was the case, he wouldn't need to "convince" Russ that Magnus needs to die.

>>47304833
If Laurie said something wrong and harmful about any of GW's products, he would be fired within minutes. So far no one from FW or GW protested.

And you can't say they don't care because poor Josh Reynolds was told to STFU about talking about their IPs on social media.

>>47303416
Scoria??

>>47304910
Never said he said anything wrong or harmful, but it is an interesting note that he's in charge of the BL's HH and he considers FW's HH to be of dubious canon. Last I checked, BL's novels are from in-world perspective as well.

>>47304699
I imagine that the Emperor had several plans on the backburner, he's waited ~40,000 years before setting the great crusade in motion. If stuff didn't get all fucked up he'd probably straighten a lot of things out, for instance the mechanicus were scared of leviathan dreads because they may have been developed to counter their war machines.

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About done on the EC moritat i promised a few threads back.

Might brush up on the kneeface and plasma when i can be assed.

>>47305056
a bit of battle damage and he's truly perfect

>>47304303
The Warmaster is a bit more than a favored general. It's a lot closer to Christians not having to cut off their foreskins because Christ said so.

>>47305056
Why the kneeface?

>>47305012
>Last I checked, BL's novels are from in-world perspective as well.

Yeah but by guys who were there. It isn't some scholar reporting about what a primarch did a hundred years later. You get to see the HH events unfold from the eyes of the primarch himself.

>>47305082
Never tried much battle damage beside on a few vehicles, and i'm scared of fucking up the paint job.
>>47305089
It was the last pair of mk4 legs i had laying around besides some outrider legs.
Plus i wanted something fancy since he's EC after all

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>>47304968
Yes?

>>47305082
>battle damage
>truly perfect
Found the player of an inferior legion.

Everyone knows the Emperor's Children don't take battle damage. Or poop for that matter.

To all the SoH painters out there, how do you paint your SoHs?

Have anyone tried painting them a nice SEA green with a hint of metallic?

>>47305156
Who is he

>>47305219
The man responsible for the Helldrake, and one of the few people who can go toe to toe with Horus and win.

>>47304699
I imagine there was a lot of things Emps was running with that he wasn't comfortable with since he was more concerned with saving as many people as possible, as fast as possible from Old Night.

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>>47305155
Just use the soft stuff that comes with blisters. It's quite easy and looks great imo. Pic related.

Is it bad that I took the barrel and mantlet off of a Flames of War Sherman tank and glued it onto the backpack of a marine ad called him a master of signals?

>>47301945
Get Fulgrim to not touch the pwetty sword

>>47304726
>>47304643
Amendera Kendel was one of the Sigilite's top agents, the first person to enact exterminatus without being given the authority to do so, one of the first inquisitors, and later on she's known as Moriana the Black.

>>47305089
If it's good enough for the emperor, it's good enough for anyone else

>>47305292
soft stuff ? now you truly got me confused.

>>47305299
we can't really judge without pics

>>47305130
I'm personally cool with the novels being perfectly accurate on what happens to "these" specific individuals and primarchs, but when it comes to broader descriptions of battles and most importantly, how history remembered a particular event, I'm going with the FW books.

>>47305368
The foam, probably.

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>>47305086
Yet they do, because of some faggot who thought it'd stop kids from squeezing one off.

>>47305426

What are you talking about? Christians don't cut their dicks. Only americans because they are, well, americans.

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>>47305389
>>47305398
Huh, never bought one of those smaller blister packs with foam in them.
Promised myself i won't buy more shit before i finish my massive backlog of EC marines.

Might be a while before he gets some battle damage lads, but it'll fit since he'll have a few fights under his belt by then.

>>47305387
Fair enough.

>>47305469
>Christians don't cut their dicks. Only americans because they are, well, americans.
>yfw Christian and from Freedom Land
>yfw your dick isn't cut

>>47305240
I can't find anything on him minus starting the first hell forge

>>47305546

Thank God for that lol

>>47305130
Eyewitness accounts aren't 100% accurate either.

BL novels would have been so much better if they had been from the perspective of people around the primarchs and the Emperor, rather than the primarchs and the Emperor themselves. Now they just come off as morons with daddy issues, but when you're seeing their actions from the perspective of others, it gives some distance and you can do away with a lot of conflicting info by the simple fact that it's from a subjective point of view. Two people seeing the same event can interpret the situation differently.

You also don't have to have someone important present in every event, the protagonists can go on their own adventures and then join up with the important people. Or simply seeing events completely detached from the primarchs and the Emperor. Like imagine if Prosperot was told entirely from the point of view of a TS marine and a SW marine, who have no knowledge of what's going on with the higher-ups, but just have to follow through with orders and try and survive. Why are we fighting our allies? Orders are orders.

>>47305469
>America doesn't have Christians

Which book has the World Eaters rules? I'm looking to make a Chaos FanDex for 40k and need a reference guide

>>47305560
They tried that. Only one person liked Descent of Angels.

>>47305593
His point is that Americans circumcise because they're Americans, not because they're Christians. Which is true, religious issues have no part in most doctors recommending circumcision.

>>47305641
Was it Gav?

>>47305641
Wasn't that like early Great Crusade?

>>47305663
Yet Christians go along with it, even though Jebus was cool with the skin.

>>47305608
the current Istvaan legions book and there's some stuff in book 6

>>47305663
It's kind of just a tradition here, but it's starting to die out despite the health benefits of circumcision.

>>47305706
Protestants arent christians, theyre scum.

>>47305766
And the 20% that's Catholic?

>>47305722
>health benefits of circumcision
Fuck that, more pleasure is preferrable over being mutilated.
>implying i have ever had sex

>>47305706
Would he have been? He was Jewish, and they all get circumcised.

>>47305822
You have to take it up with >>47305086.

>>47305822
He was pro-cut only if the skin led you to sin, otherwise you're cool such as the G-d made you.

>>47305796
phimosis dude

>>47305915
Consider it a gift from Slaanesh.

>>47305915
Still, wait until it's evident.

>>47305991
Yeah.
I was going to argue Nurgle, but no, thinking back, wanking with it is very much equal parts pain and pleasure


>>47305887
I knew he went along the line of "right, lets make a new agreement between god and god's people", which exempted all later believers from things like circumcision and the dietary rules, but I'm curious how that skin would lead you to sin

>>47306060
>991
Exactly.
>887
Dunno, maybe one derives more pleasure from sex due to having more nerves on the D?
Besides, it's the same thing with not eating pork - it heats the body, and that's undesirable in warm climate. The ancient Hebrew couldn't bother to wash his peen so he decided it's better to circumcise.

>>47306060
Half the things in the Old Testament are tips on personal hygiene, avoiding food poisoning, maintaining social order, etc. Except they’ve become mandatory on pain of eternal damnation. Stay clean or spend eternity with Nurgle!

>>47304692
Alpharius Kawaii 47
>>47305308
Sauce? Sauce about Moriana Black, I mean.

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>>47305219
>>47305547
>Who is he
Read book 6. Book 6 is in the OP links, before you ask.

>>47306197
>>47306211
Yeah, I know a lot of the Old Testament Laws are basically "101 ways to thrive in Judea and maintain a warrior tribe" where its just easier to get people to do stuff on pain of eternal not-being-with-god.

Given the amount of really clean water about the place it gets a bit more understandable - given old J was doing his thing after the roman occupation leaving that out of the requirements makes sense - there's baths all over the place, it's not such a need

>197
Yeah, I suppose that could lead to sinning...

Still, this is going very off base, unless you go Emps was Jesus, so...


Outside of a primarch, is a Typhon the best LoW choice for most games?

>>47306295
I don't remember anymore, try reading on Isstvanian and Horusian factions within the Inquisition, or Inquisitor rulebook.

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>>47305426
Like >>47305469 said, only americans do it.
>>47305593
>>47305663
It became a common procedure in the 50's, and christians were predominant

I wish they had circumcised me, though. I mean, mine feels good, but it doesn't look right, does it?

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>>47306707
I did.
>mfw

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>>47306707
;)

>>47306978
>forget to spoiler image

I guess it's time for bed. Night /hhg/

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What Primarch is the WORST at fighting, both in fluff and on tabletop?

>>47307005
Unpowered Lorgar?

>>47307005
Lorgar

>>47307005
Lorgar pre-heresy. Even Magnus had more brawn than pre-heresy Lorgar.

I think we hit a point where we should have stopped but I'm going to make one more step.
>DA: Circumcised
>WE: Replaced with a chainaxe
>EC: No circumcised unless Fulgrim inspects it and says it's perfect
>IF: Is fortified instead
>IW: Like the Fists, but with a bomb and barbed wire
>DG: No one can handle the smell to do it
>AL: No one knows
>NL: Horribly circumcised to sow horror
>WB: Circumcised and tattooed with Lorgar's teachings
>UM: Not Circumcised
>WS: They streak too fast for you to tell
>BA: Not circumcised but comes with an assault cannon
>SoH/LW: Circumcised with Cthonian gang runes and dick topknot
>IH: Power dicks need no circumcision
>Sallies: The foreskin is so hot it metals the tools needed
>RG: No one knows because of the beakie helmets for their dicks

They should replace rending on the Laer blade with shred. That way people might actually fucking take it over Fireblade

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>>47307129
>Dick topknot

>>47307129
Forgot the Space Wolves and Sons. The Wolves get an emergency bottle of booze down there but aren't circumcised while the Sons are with sorcery flowing through it.
>>47307170
I try my best.

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>>47307026
>>47307075
>>47307097
How's Dorn, post-update?

>>47307445
He seems ok, his rules are now kind of obsolete as one of his bonus is part of the legion rules but in CC he kind of looks like to be on par with Morty at least.

>>47307445
>>47307488
Good thing, I've fielded him a few times and his rules don't really match him fluff wise

>>47307445
>>47307488
>>47307588
Furious charge with +D3 to combat resolution with Shred and Rampage, Crusader and can only be wounded on 3+, with the option to pseudo-smash to deal with those annoying automata (like Beepious Boopius). It's nice.
His forts can be used for regular humans too, but it's kind of an overlap when used by his marines.
Oh, and it renders the IW ammo completely useless :'(
As if Ld9 didn't already made it useless

I wish Morty's self-made armour was something better than mere Artificer with Iron Halo. Rocha's makes him completely immune to poison and rad. Dorn's makes him more resilient than him S9 and above. Only Angron's power armour is worse.
It even melts in book 4 (but Morty sweated out the melta shot).

>>47307758
>Dorn's makes him more resilient than him S9 and above.

Dorn's is made from the same material as the Emperor's armor, shit better be good.

>>47307758
>Rocha
Who?

I was looking into a stormlord for my auxilia and I started imagining the BS I can do with it.

40 lasrifles shooting at heavy 2 off of it? Or even 40 flamers to utterly fuck over anyone who wants to melta bomb it.

>>47301945
Letting Angron die in glory with those he cherished

>>47308078

Have Angorn figure out a way to extract the nails through sheer willpower and determination before his Spartacus style revolt.

>>47308107
Have Angron eat the fingers of the people who hammered the Nails into his head.

>>47305915
Is nowhere near as common as your nipponese mangos make it out to be, because the Japanese can't into foreskins and think every foreskin that isn't retracted 100% of the time is phimotic.

>>47307696
>Oh, and it renders the IW ammo completely useless

Now IF dont need daddy Dorn to be immune to Iron Warrior bullshit which means he is either getting a new rule or losing one.

>>47307758
What makes it even worse is Angron's armor is dubbed "The Armor of Mars." Fucking Mars, and it's no better than power armor and an Iron Halo. Sure, it's mitigated by the fact that there should be Red Butchers in front of him to tank shots, and any challenger that can hit him is probably AP2, but that's no excuse.

And he has 1 fewer wound than every other Primarch.

>>47301945
Emps teleports some Hounds to help out Angron

>>47301979
This stops nothing. In fact it makes things worse because Hastur was pretty involved with the lodges and Loken who replaced him was incredibly loyal and a voice of reason

>>47308684
>Angron's armor is dubbed "The Armor of Mars." Fucking Mars
I assume it is less Mars the planet and more Mars the war god.

>>47308866
And he would still nail his legion and probably join up with Horus. Nigger's a lost cause and most definitely unfit to be a general. Just let him have his way...

>>47307856
Alpharius. It's a joke we have here that his real name is Geneviève Rocha.

>>47308980
Must have missed something, usually I lurk in every /hhg/

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>>47308951
Nobody can know how good Angron would have been because of the nails. Imagine Horus had the nails and was always "Merciless strike, merciless strike!" without his characteristic charisma.
Then it wouldn't even be called the Horus heresy, now would it?
It's pointless to wonder what Angron would have been, besides "choppier than Lorgar", because all of it would be assumptions based on his sons being a bit more agressive than normal.
Because all marines are killing engines. Pic related is actually a Luna Wolf.

>>47309061
I always took angrons and the war hound particular strenght was brotherhood.

What primarch is the best?

Considering
>Point Cost
>Utility and force multiplying
>Personal killing power

How about best first captain?

>>47309112
Horus

>>47309112
Fulgrim's pretty sweet.

dont know all the stats & info for all the primarchs though

>>47309023
It was on April's Fools.

>>47307129
No IF=Your dick is reinforced with concrete,barbed wire,mine fields,a bunker just for the hell of it garrisoned by a full Regiment of Imperial Army.

>>47309061
What part of my post are you exactly addressing?
>It's pointless to wonder what Angron would have been
True but since he basically grew up as a pit fighting crack baby, any outcomes he might have had would probably not be a desirable outcome. As I said, he should have been left alone to die as he wanted. Probably the best outcome to all 12th legion included but the heretics

>>47309094
And going by the fact that his BL appearances portray his personality as being practically infectious to those under his command, you're probably correct.

>>47309112
>Alpharius
>Combi-plasma
>Headhunter Leviathal
Game, set, and match.

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>>47309219
>>47309219
>a bunker just for the hell of it garrisoned by a full Regiment of Imperial Army.

>>47307129
As a First Legion player, I can assure you that it means your penis is longer, fatter, harder, uncutter, and equipped with bigger balls and more vigor than other, lesser legions' players.

Such is the burden of being first and best.

>>47308684
>Go to Mars expecting new power armor
>All of your brothers got theirs got master crafted why shouldn't you?
>"Sorry Angeranon, we just don't have any of those kinds of armor but we have one to remind you of your gladiator heritage for you. It only counts as regular power armor though."
>Go into a rage screaming about how the Emperor should have let you die. Spaghetti and skulls fly out of your non-artificer armored pockets as you go into a rage.
>You unclench your ass cheeks pulling out the skull of the last person who performed poorly for you.
>"Now you go back in there and make me the armor I need"
>Stuck with same shitty power armor for the rest of the rest of the crusade
Fucking Mars

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>>47309244
Refering to the "would still nail his legion"
Are you saying becoming a gladiator is a worse upbringing than being a feral boy in chaos-catachan Caliban/Fenris?
In fact, look at how different the Lion and the Wolf are, even though both are feral kids adopted by a king.
Maybe I should have been more specific: Angron wouldn't be Angron had he arrived on any planet other than Nuceria. Hell, he wouldn't even be named "Angron", but something else. I wonder how things would have been had Angron landed at mom's lap on Macragge and kid Roboute ambushed by Eldar on Nuceria.
"What would you know of struggle, perfect Angron?!"

>/HHG/, care for some alternate primarch homeplanets?

>>47309331
>>47309331
>uncutter
You sure you're a Dangle? Because the DA are Jewish and surely there's going to be some cutting.

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>>47309343
Dammit, I lost it at Angeranon
Sorry I couldn't last any longer, such is the burden of being first and best
>>47309331

>>47309350
>Are you saying becoming a gladiator is a worse upbringing than being a feral boy in chaos-catachan Caliban/Fenris?
Not him but yes I am. Both Lion and Russ eventually got adopted, Angron butchered some Eldar right after landing was picked up by some humans and lobotomized. From that point on literally nothing else mattered, Angron was defined by the nails.

>/HHG/, care for some alternate primarch homeplanets?
Fulgrim lands on Nuceria and is ambushed by Eldar. He is so beautiful that he is adopted by the rulers of the planet. Chemos had much more reason to kill Fulgrim than Nuceria did to enslave Angron and spared him on the grounds of "look at this glorious baby."

>>47309442
Why is there no art of baby Fulgrim?

>>47309496
Because babies are objectively ugly, and its hard to render a baby that is more beautyfull than the instinct for survival in a world of limited ressources.

>>47309112
>What primarch is the best?
>Fulgrim with Paladin of Glory
>Phoenix Guard
>If pre-heresy Rylanor right behind him
>Blobs of shitty tacticals with chainswords
>+4 or +5 to combat resolution
>Sweeping advance everything without even killing anyone in the actual assault

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>>47309496
Because you'd want to adopt him.
>>47309442
All primachs were taken in by the rulers (eventually), even in places like Barbarus. Except on Nuceria.
It'd be interesting to see Fulgrim's promise be prematurely consumed by unending rage. Can you imagine this face without the glorious mane, holding blood-drenched chainaxes, leading a legion that hits both hard AND fast?

>>47309530
He'd have his grown up ugly mug wouldn't he?

>>47309579
que ?

>>47309610
Have you seen the head for his model?

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>>47309610
He's saying baby Fulgrim would still have this face

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>>47309551
I prefer to use the "Infiltrate D3 non-vehicle units" one

>Infiltrate 1 or 2 chainsword blobs
>Fulgrim and retinue arrive via Dreadclaw turn 1
>By turn 2 the tac squads have gotten into charging position, Dreadclaw is poised to barf out fulgrim and palatines, and Maru Skara has gotten Rylanor and jetbikes on opponent's flanks

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>>47309653
>>47309530
>Tfw we will never get the real fulgrim model

>>47309350
>Are you saying becoming a gladiator is a worse upbringing than being a feral boy in chaos-catachan Caliban/Fenris?
Being a gladiator on Nuceria certainly was worse compared to Fenris. I might not like Russ, but he was far more competent general than Angron which he proved during the Night of the Wolves. Russ can play for both objectives and to the last enemy as where Angron can fight for only the latter.

>>47309698
I like 1d4chan's example, even if it's taking things to the extreme.
>Master of Ambush: What's better than going 'Creeeed!' on your enemy? To do so with a melee Legion. Yes, you can take off your commissar hat now. Grants Infiltrate to 3 squads...which grants them Outflank when coming out of reserves [WH40K 7E pg. 167]. Using Maru Skara, you can outflank 6 different squads at turn 2 (because Fulgrim allows you to re-roll reserves, and Hidden Blade'd squads do not count towards Max reserves [HH2 pg. 219]). And keep in mind your Children have Crusader. Creed can hide a tank? Fulgrim can hide half a company of supermen & bikes. This is only usable in mildly high point games, but then again, this is the GREAT Crusade. Overkill, you say? Ask the Loyalists how much did that hurt on the Drop Site MASSACRE.
And 3 of those units could be dread talons, meaning 9 Contemptors turn 2. Not that it's the wisest thing to do, but it's hillarious you can do it.

>>47309745
Indeed. What I tried to say there was that what fucked him up were the nails, not the gladiator life.
>>47309734
Wasn't an anon painting that same model?

>>47309551
>It'd be interesting to see Fulgrim's promise be prematurely consumed by unending rage. Can you imagine this face without the glorious mane, holding blood-drenched chainaxes, leading a legion that hits both hard AND fast?
While Fulgrim was specifically spared in a situation where they literally couldn't spare him so making him into a gladiator seems unlikely berserker Fulgrim seems like a fucking awesome idea.
>Fulgrim's innate speed and finesse combined with the savagery of Angron
>Charges headlong into battle followed by Palatine Blades and Phoenix Guard with butcher's nails
Probably wouldn't be hard to make berserker EC honestly

>EC keep their special units for the most part
>take world eaters LA rules in place of their own replacing +1 WS in challenges with +1 initiative
>Replace phoenix spears with an eviscerator that loses unwieldy the turn they charge
>Fulgrim loses his 3+ in CC and instead gains Angron's sire of the world eaters (existing challenge rules still work due to wound overflow)
Fulgrim gets some new weapon

>>47309774
Master of Ambush only gives Infiltrate to 3 non-vehcile units.

>>47309809
>What I tried to say there was that what fucked him up were the nails
Ah okay, and you're 100% correct. What I'm trying to say that the gladiator upbringing made an already shitty situation worse.
>"Victory goes to the last man standing."
A mentality which isn't born of the nails and isn't always true in warfare

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>>47309698
>>47309774
dat feeling when Maru skara is such a well designed ROW by doing something relatively minor, but changes alot about your tactic.

No '' you can bring such an such as troops'' and ''you have now unlocked drop pods''

>Don't bring heavy shit
>take a guy that can make many characters sweat
>pretend like you're creed

>>47309442
>>Are you saying becoming a gladiator is a worse upbringing than being a feral boy in chaos-catachan Caliban/Fenris?
>Not him but yes I am. Both Lion and Russ eventually got adopted, Angron butchered some Eldar right after landing was picked up by some humans and lobotomized. From that point on literally nothing else mattered, Angron was defined by the nails.

Not to mention, psychologically, I think there's a difference between having to fight for survival daily simply because that's the world, and having to fight for survival daily because someone else is forcing you to do so for their amusement, against people you might consider brothers. One is a hard fact of life that you can accept, the other is blatant fuckery.

He said from his comfy computer chair

>>47309909
Yes but Maru Skara lets you outflank three more units (fast attack and elites in some combination).

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>>47309809
that was me. I tried to make a coversion based on that model, but i fucked up the face hard. Primarch helmets cannot come out fast enough.

>>47309909
>Combined with Maru Skara's "Outflank 3 units"
Which can be indeed vehicle squadrons. Or dread talons, which are a single unit both on the FOC and on deployment.

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>>47310019

>>47310019
It's Gary Busly!

>>47310084
that poor girl

Now that people are talking Fulgrim, i might as well ask.

Is the any novel or lore bit that tells us if Fulgrim's flagship survived in to the 41st millenium ?

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>>47310019
>Fulgrim's model face
Is this a curse? A mini isn't worthy to display his true face.

>>47310084
The Fulgrim ideal of perfection

Anyone got any suggestions for models for a Hive City gang? I'm thinking they'll be described generically as "post-apocalyptic"?

>>47304716
Did the Emperor relay it to Russ personally at some point? I was understanding that he just told Horus to send Russ and apprehend Magnus, since it was Russ and his Legion's purpose. Then Horus deceived Russ into annihilating the Thousand Suns.

>>47310516
there was an entire game for this called necromunda, the models should still be easily obtainable in ebay

>>47310723
Damn, how did I forget that?
Thanks.
Thinking of how much GW could satisfy the customer base if they did more stuff than the basics is frustrating.

More suggestions, especially for in-print models, are welcome, so fire away, guys.

>>47309112
Best first captin? Swagsmund no doubt.

>>47309373
Really? I've heard others refer to them as "Space Catholics" because of "muh shame culture".
But desu apart from having the names of Judeo-Christian angels and wearing monk-like robes, I've not seen them have much connection to either IRL culture (and Catholic isn't an ethnicity either).
It is canon that at least a portion of post-Heresy Dark Angels were basically Native Americans, because of that whole story with a big chunk of the first company sacrificing themselves to save a planet with a culture similar to those.

THEN there's the added confusion because Caliban before it got blow'd up was a weird culture that didn't have an analogue as far as I know. And that whole aspect of the dangels having a poetry focus, what with their primarch literally being named after a poet, and their planet having a Shakespearean name.

>>47311106
wasn't Caliban chaos-space-Camelot?

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>>47311106
>It is canon that at least a portion of post-Heresy Dark Angels were basically Native Americans
It's more than a portion, it was their sole recruiting world for at least 6000 years after the fall of Caliban.

It's actually kind of upsetting how little focus is given to the Dark Angels various cultural identities and how they've affected the Chapter as a whole.

>>47311106
Have you not seen some of their names? Asmodai, Azrael, and for symbols the Star of David as one termie had it on him. Who here has that picture?

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>>47309343
>spaghetti and skulls fly out of your non-artificer armored pockets

fuckin lost it

>>47311256
Honestly, it was pretty much a JRPG setting. Medieval European fantasy with out of place technology and bands of knights fighting monsters in the long grass. They were even saved by a long haired blonde man and his totally no homo bff/senpai.

>>47311399
Dude, we've been over this, the Dark Angels are Mexicans. This is why Dorn had to build so many walls on Terra.

>>47311489
>says the legion that spawned the crimson fists

>>47311470
Bullshit, he was the gayest of them all. Like twice as gay as Fulgrim, Guilliman and Perturabo combined.
>Anything yours can do mine can do better. I bet my primarch was gayer than yours.

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>>47311489
Found it.

>>47311551
>twice as gay as Fulgrim, Guilliman and Perturabo combined.
How were the last two gay?

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>>47311588
>8 pointed star
That's not a star of David. It's of chaos :^)
>>47311615
Roman/greek gay. Look it up.

>>47311634
>That's not a star of David. It's of chaos :^)
Wrong on all counts. There is no points going left and right. Get your eyes check before you memespout. As for Rowboat and Pert I don't see it happening no matter what Greeks and Romans did. Perturabo is too bitter for relationships.

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>>47311715
>There is no points going left and right
Having 8 points it's literally impossible to not have spikes pointing left or right.
Alternate: :^))))

>Perturabo is too bitter for relationships.
Who says it's going to be a relationship? It'll be bitter decimationseks and beep boops

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>>47311799
>Having 8 points it's literally impossible to not have spikes pointing left or right.
>Alternate: :^))))
The chest you memespouter. His chest. Look at it. I want you to look at it.

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>>47311866
My glasses are broken right now. I'm not that blind, but the keyes and knee do get my attention more.

>>47312020
>I'm not that blind, but the keyes and knee do get my attention more.
The keys caught my attention first time I saw it. As for the knees an eight pointed star probably only counts as Chaotic if it's being used for Chaos. Otherwise compasses would be considered heretical and Chaotic artifacts.

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What do y'all think of this list?

2000point Loyalist Death Guard list.

RoW-- Pride of the legion

HQ--

Crysos Morturg

Praetor- terminator armor, paragon blade, Digital weapon, Barbarian Thurible, x5 Death Shroud body guards

Elites---

Contemptor Mortis-- x2 kheres

Troops--

x5 Death Shroud

x5 Death Shroud w/ melta bombs

x5 tactical support squad w/ plasma rifles, Apothecary

Heavy Support---

x5 Grave Warden, x4 chain fist, x1 w/ combie plasma and..

Spartan assault tank as dedicated transport w/ armored ceramite, flare shield, Laser destroyers.

All comes out to exactly to 2k points. The plan is to go all in with Morturg's warlord trait that lets you infiltrate 3 none vehicle squads.

Morturg joins the Praetor and his termies. Together they have -2 toughness on the charge and go after other terminator squads/expensive stuff. Morturg casts endurance and gives everyone EW, and fnp 4+ making it an extreme bitch to kill everyone.

The Grave Wardens can arrive in their spartan and that thing will blow vehicles up with its laser destroyers (now at close range) and have the GWs pop out and punch stuff with their chain fists or shoot a bunch of poison rounds at infantry.

The Tactical supports with plasma are my distraction carnifex and will take out what other expensive models/ scare the poop out of the other player. hopefully able to tank a few hits with the help of the Apothecary.

The other Death Shroud troops and Contemptor mortis march up the field, claiming objectives

Can always take away 1 Death shroud from each troops squad and add them to my HQ unit for more ap2 hits at -1 initiative at -2 toughness. Also can replace the tactical support squad with 6-7 heavy flamers if I need to melt some tar pits.

>>47312074
>using anything to guide yourself but the Holy Light of Terra Itself
HERESY

>>47312245
Hey man feudal worlds need compasses.

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>>47312074
>>47312245
>>47312245
This is the only way to avert heresy

>>47312301
And there we have it. Compasses are now heresy-proof and eight pointed stars remain heretical until proven otherwise.

What did astropaths use to navigate before the emperor was on the throne?

>>47312351
The warp used to be calm, and Navigators were able to easily plot warp routes by themselves using natural sources like early sailors used the stars, but the build up of energy that led to Slaanesh's birth made the warp unstable and FTL travel became impossible, fragmenting the Human Empire and leaving many worlds orphaned.
After Slaanesh's birth in M25 (?), Emps decided that the time had come and ordered the Astronomican's construction. He directed it via remote thought. The time that huge Ork was hugging him to death? He was half-concentrated in lighting the Astronomican (and it faded for a while, I think).

So, after M25, Navigators have been wholly ddependent on it.

>>47312410
Slaanesh was born shortly before the great crusade, I think. Hundreds of years before rather than thousands.

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What books should I read to learn about the Word Bearers?

>>47312846
Slaanesh's birth was the reason why the warp storms calmed down, which was the reason why emps could start the crusade

>>47301945
Literally, the Primarchs aren't such whiney assholes.

They understand that the Emperor wants to cease religious fanaticism and he is not a god, fight for his dream of humanity ascendant and understand that they dont really need to know what secret project the Emperor is working at on Terra.

>>47313043
I thought Slaanesh' birth was what caused the Age of Strife and separated all of Terra's colonies and also fucked up the Eldar by causing mæssive warp storms

>>47313369
the Age of Strife was caused by people being dicks and no one being strong enough to unite them.

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So with 40k: Age of the Emperor looking more and more like a possibility each day, how does the future of HH and the $500 in black books look?

>>47313966
Fuck off.

>>47313308
but that's eighteen things, not one thing

So I've read from Horus Rising to Fulgrim, but after that it seems like the narrative gets looser and the books aren't really in order. What should I read next?

>>47309925
I have a question about maru skara, don't you have to have several detatchments for it to fully function? it says "If chosen as the primary detatchment" meaning I have to choose between open blade and hidden blade unless i have two detatchments?

>>47313966
Considering Books 1-3 are already obsolete ruleswise with Books 5 and 6 becoming obsolete soon and the game is as strong as ever, no one cares if their "$500 in black books" goes away. People who buy the books buy them because they enjoy reading the fluff. The player base by now already knows if they wait, the units in the black books will end up in the red compilation books. Regardless of that fact, the black books still sell.

If the real question you're asking is if HH is forced into whatever the next edition is and that edition sucks? Well that's a different question. I imagine if FW is smart, they'll just make their own standalone rules book for HH which would essentially be 7th edition 40k.

>>47314700
No, the rite of war applies to your whole army no matter what detachments you bring, unless there are restrictions listed.

>>47314674
First heretic followed by know no fear. Legion. Thousand sons and prospero burns.

>>47314700
Its just poorly worded, you use both. Its just different benefits for your units that start on your board and for the units that start in reserve

>>47314714
so I bring 1 Battles in the age of darkness FoC and that FoC has both open blade and hidden blade bonuses? or do I need to bring a second FoC?

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>>47314751
You can't bring more than one FoC in 30k. Maru Skara just means if you choose to use the RoW with your army. Look at pic related. That's the entire FoC you are allowed to take. Just means if the Primary, not the Optional sections, is Maru Skara you get the benefits.

>>47314767
oh, now I get it... thats really weirdly worded then.

>>47314810
Yeah, just don't look at it as saying"or" between Open and Hidden Blades. It's just being redundant for sake of being redundant.

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Level with me /tg/,
I'm trying to test colours for Alpha legion but i think this guy is looking too much like a Son of Horus

>>47314972
add some more clear green and do your silver trim first before you decide to strip it.

>>47314996
my problem is it looks too green, imo

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In honour of the re-launch of Epic being set during the Horus Heresy.
Whats your favourite/least favourite Legio and why?

>>47315253

Space Marine Legion or Titan Legion?

>>47313369
That was Slaanesh's gestation, building up turbulence within the warp. Its birth calmed the warp back again by disgorging some of that turbulence into realspace creating the Eye, but even with that the warp never calmed down to its pre-Age of strife state.
>>47313401
The Empire had to deal with Skynet, and after that, the worlds got stranded. They couldn't be rescued if nobody could reach them.

>>47312221
Don't think I didn't read it, it's just I don't know what to think of footslogging termies in a tabletop that may contain phosphex, as well as a lack of AA. At 2k points you could find any of those, as well as enemy Spartans like the one you're bringing.

What do you think of 1d4chan's heresy tactica, especially the legion list?

>>47314972

I like it

Do all the metals in a very bright silver and maybe throw in some edging of pure turquoise on the armour

>>47315253
Warp Runners

because hotrod scheme

>>47301945
After Nikaea bring Magnus back to Terra to "complete his training" but in reality your moving against the Navigator Houses and securing the human webway.

>>47315574
Titan Legions, they called Legio's

>>47315660
Pretty good, needs a bit of cleaning up as some bits haven't been touched since betrayal, and a lot of stuff does seem to contradict other newer/older bits.

>>47312913

First Heretic, Aurelian, and Betrayer in that order.

Ignore the Word Bearer books set in 40k, they're edgy by-the-numbers shite made before HH gave them any character besides cartoon villains.

>>47315828

In that case, my favourite Titan Legion is the Legio Pallidus Mor of Tolkhan. Because all I can think of with that name is a Legion of Ringwraith Titans. And if the mere idea of Ringwraith Titans doesn't give you a massive boner, then you have no balls.

>>47315930
I'm actually a woman.
> And it still gives me a boner.

>>47310019
Looks really great, just as you said the face.

Keep looking for a better head, man!

You will find one somewhere.

>>47310762
Chaos cultsists work everywhere.

Catachan guys could work as a Warriors style street gang.

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>>47315253
Tiger Eyes
Warhammer needs more Tiger shit
They got the eye of the Tiger, Horus stole the fucking thing

>>47315971

If FW ever get around to writing about Tolkhan and the Legio Pallidus Mor, I want it to be a massive love letter to Tolkien and his Mythos.

And the vision through the Titan manifold looks something like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHHYqxNexGY

>>47309872
>Legion that hits both fast AND hard?
You literally just described the Blood Angels- the best of both EC speed and artistry and WE wrath and rage.

>>47316031
Good point.

EC are more Ultra-mariney then World Eatery anyway.

Fulgrim and his guys were hugely obsessive in doing things perfectly after all.

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>>47316031
Be sure to save 500 -ish points
> you will need it

>>47301928
Dear general Horus Heretics,

please tell me about the Pale Nomads.

What differs them from regular raven Guard in battle tactics?
How would you portray them best on the table tob?

Why do they hate the Coraxß

Regards,
Anon.

>>47316057

Dear Anon,

The Pre-Primarch Raven Guard were bloodthirsty bastards, rather savage and quite merciless. They could not care less for liberating, save liberating enemies from breathing.

Corax hated them, as they were very similar to the tyrants and guards who ruled Deliverance in his youth. They hated him when he cast them out and purged his Legion of Terrans. And given the success of the Ashen Claws in carving out an entire empire of their own, it seems they did very well without him.

Regards,
A Horus Heretic.

>>47310643
At least in >>47304814 it would seem Russ had already been given orders and Horus has to convince Russ to not follow them. Or even if Horus delivered the orders, the orders were not written by Horus and he had to convince Russ to not follow them. If Horus had just reworded the orders or deliver different orders, there would have not been any reason for him to convince Russ to ignore the order to bring Magnus to the Emperor and instead kill him.

The Emperor might have not told Russ in person, but surely he would have signed or had a hand in crafting the order. It was, after all, his work that Magnus has ruined and he himself had told Magnus that shit's gonna get real if he plays around with that warp shit.

>>47316100
Well, Mr. H. Heretic....is them conquering and thus liberating people from Xenos and Tyrannic rule for over 100 years in the great crusade worth nothing?

Is there any material outside the FW books about them? I am thinking of maybe allying some or using shettered Legion to mush them together with my SoH.

Somehow I like the idea of them scouting for Terminators and/or drop pods.

> I didnt continue writing in letter form, felt a bit akward.

>>47316147
>At least in >>47304814 it would seem Russ had already been given orders and Horus has to convince Russ to not follow them. Or even if Horus delivered the orders, the orders were not written by Horus and he had to convince Russ to not follow them. If Horus had just reworded the orders or deliver different orders, there would have not been any reason for him to convince Russ to ignore the order to bring Magnus to the Emperor and instead kill him.

FW a shit.

What does the HH novels say about this? Who gave the order?

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>>47316051
I used to think this pic was Horus for the longest time.

>>47316213
It's FW fluff we're talking about here, so leave your BL shit out of it. Have BL novels said anything about Horus changing Russ' mind and SoH being there on Prospero to raze it with the Wolves?

>>47316191

>is them conquering and thus liberating people from Xenos and Tyrannic rule for over 100 years in the great crusade worth nothing?

Not to Corax.

>Is there any material outside the FW books about them? I am thinking of maybe allying some or using shettered Legion to mush them together with my SoH.

Nope, but feel free to make them as a Blackshield or Shattered Legion force. That's why they're in the FW Books after all.

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Is Girlyman blind?

>>47316290
No, he just IDDQD'd.

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>>47316290
Wrong picture. I posted the "fixed" one.

>>47316287
Would love to do them in their old grey scheme.

Sneaking up to the enemy is great.

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>>47309331
Well said, brother.

>>47316320

Have you seen the cover of the upcoming Russ one? He has the same eyes. I think every single Primarch cover art in the series will have the white eye treatment.

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What does this mean? Who is it?

>>47316361
Including Vulkan?

>>47316369

Yes.

>>47316366

General release of Meduson. It's not a secret.

>>47316366
Isn't it really fucking obvious?
Rogal Dogal

>>47316057
>>47316100
In addition my dear Anons, the Pale Nomads served extensively with the Luna Wolves. Acting as an infiltrated anvil to the Luna Wolves orbital hammer. Where also effectively considered Horus' sons as well as his second legion

>>47316366
>>47316388

FUCKING SHADRAK YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Where did you find this pic anon? Can't see it on the FB page or on the blog.

>>47316447
Noice.

>>47316447
> Post Betrayal Loyalist Luna Wolves led by Gravel Loken
> Post Massacre Raven Guard led by Moritat-Prime
> Team up to make BEST tabletop army EVA
> Just like good old times

>>47316563
Yis.

>>47316361
Except Magnus of course

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Finished the first half of the veteran squad. Ave dominus nox.

>>47316820
I like the white cheeks, looks hard to paint though.

Especially your flesh is amazing.

>>47316844
The flesh is just ulthuan grey with a badab black wash.

>>47316820
By the way, I had to double check but there actually isn't a mold line on the sergeants bolter. It's just the paint and the light that makes it look that way.

>>47316866
Will remember that for possible raven guard.

What kind of primer and bascecoat did you use ?

>>47317038
Maston matt black spray for primer, kantor blue basecoat with caledor sky highlights.

>>47317079
+drakenhof nightshade wash

>>47317079
Ulthuan grey is normally a layer colour.. right?
How many coats do you need normally?

>>47317098
About three I think.

>>47317111
>>47317090
>>47317079
>>47316866

Thank you, NL your-dudes guy.

Much appreciated.

That seems doable as an off white for the basis of one of the white-ish legions armour then.

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>>47310019
Just use this
Same size, matches the armour design pretty well IMO

>>47314714
This the Open Blade is your forces on the table turn 1, the Hidden Blade is your reserves.

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Favorite SA? Ash Scorpions are mine.

>>47316031
Not really, EC were more than just artistry and swordsmanship, they believed in perfection in all forms. In effect they wanted to be the best swordsmen, the best marksmen, the best craftsmen, the best general. The EC were (at least by word if not by written action) the best swordsmen of the astartes and developed an entire cult of superiority, the Blood Angels were only really similar in that they liked to look pretty.

The idea behind berserker EC is that they take the aggression their legion originally had (EC is in fluff and even more so on the tabletop one of the most aggressive legions in battle) and abandon their tactical side. They still strike hard and fast but they forgo the subtlety and grace they would otherwise be known for. Take for example Maru Skara, with berserker EC the hidden blade might not even exist because the EC lost their subtlety and no longer care about careful tactics, just closing with the enemy as quickly as possible. So Maru Skara might be just the open blade on steroids, eg. they gain +3 to movement and shit the first turn and the first time a unit charges they gain furious charge. Still potentially brutal as hell but it loses the subtlety of the perfectly planned outflanking maneuver, instead you would probably try to charge someone turn 1 or set up to charge them turn 2.

Plus Blood Angels are OP as hell (double wound AP 2 swords, effectively +1 strength that can stack with furious charge, assault cannons everywhere, can get +1 initiative due to RoW, 5+ cover save for jump infantry the turn they arrive due to RoW, hand flamer, inferno pistol).

>>47317273
Eh, I would probably add some laurels and other bling shit.

>>47316191
>Xenos and Tyrannic rule for over 100 years in the great crusade worth nothing?

It was the means. They were proto Carcharodon. Corax was not a fan. It's why he sent them off to murder things far away. He recognized their abilities but didn't want them playing a part within his vision. There were still some Terran XIX that didn't leave, namely the Deliverers and some others he kept in his pocket for a 'panic and murder everything button' when he needed it.

>>47317273
I'd prefer the old fantasy slaaneshchamp on tit-snake's helmet.

Even has a nice crest on it.

Sadly on phone so can't post pictures.

>>47317558
This.
The point of "Alternate Homeplanet Primarchs" was about imagining different conditions on the same dude. Fulgrim with Nails would make him overly agressive while still being obsessed with perfection (but not with subtlety).
So, EC would try to be the best at melee using sheer agression and fury, disregarding their "best at tactics, best at crafting, etc".
>Maru Skara: No hidden blade and more Open CHAINAXE.

>>47317641
Hypocrite!

How would one play a proto spess shark force?

Lots of furious assault termies and assault guys, or even hoing for the alternatibe legiones astartes rule of furious assault for all?

>>47317689
Night Lords, Lots of Deep Striking Assault Terminators
> Call the Termie Praetor Tiberius Wake

>>47317726
But they dont wear necklaces of severed dicks normally.

I thought space sharks are just brutal and thus scary and not brutal to be scary..or even scary and therefore brutal.

>>47317689
Yeah it's part of the "Fight the inner darkness" struggle narrative device corax has.

They favored rapid assaults, ambushes, brutal close range engagements, and exploiting weakness.

Decapitation Strike and Recon Company works especially well for them, as well as any rapid assault RoW.

They are brutal, but also cunning. They don't fight fair. This translates to things like Talon equipped termis killing scoring units. And things like seekers for killing HQ squads. Maximize the rock for killing scissors type deal.

Alternate rules like Sons of Horus Reaver Squads and their RoW would work.

Blackshield Outlanders is what I want to try. Deepstrike and unload up close. Marauder squads are perfect too.

>>47317726
Those would fit the Deliverer profile

>>47317766
Ps: I have to admit that terror swuads and the terror assault row make the idea pretty entertaining....

>>47317766
Correct, they are scary by extension. But if we're just talking rules mechanics Night Lords and RG are very similar.

>>47317774
Oooh, I like it.

Man... Blackshields are a gift from the emperor to help play outlier legion groups.

>>47317791
I somewhat agree, how they play is similar...the parts that create that effect not as much.

>>47317671
Essentially that was my point. Original Fulgrim looks at a battle and says "how can I lure these enemies into a trap" even if the trap is superfluous. Berserker Fulgrim looks at a battle and says "what is the fastest way to close the distance" and then charges headlong on that path followed by the elite of his legion followed by the rest. However now we have the question of what Fulgrim is armed with, I would like the idea of unique weapons instead of just giving him Angron's weapons. My idea is something like Tyberos' chainfists/lightning claws. He can slash you up or he can just grab your head and let him chains turn your face into red mush.

>>47317766
>>47317777
Just say the Charcharadon Astra were a unique Chapter of the Night Lords Legion who's origins date back to the unification wars.
When Curze showed up they were all like 'yea we can be scary by just killing people a lot, rather not drape foreskins all over my nice armour'
10,000 years later they all like 'yea we Raven Guard descendants, totes lol'
Also kinda like the idea that Tyberos was in charge of the legion since the unification wars.

>>47317960
In charge of the chapter, fuck

>>47317960
I thought they had RG gene-markers?

Also I am not a fan of immortal space marines, Iliked my max 300 to maybe , for blood angels, 500 years without crazy tech and chaos.

Call me old fashioned.

I really do like Tyberos,too, though.

Great guy.

>>47305178
>Or poop for that matter.
You sure about that bud?

>>47310084
Fucking night lords man!

>>47317906
Wanting the perfect weapon with which enact the perfect carnage, he decides he is going to forge one of his own. He still becomes friends with Ferrus' no-nonsense attitude, and uses Fireblade.
Ferrus now wields a huge chain-hammer.

>>47312221
Give all Death Shroud melta bombs.

Drop the combi plas on the Grave W sarge, keep the nade launcher.

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>>47318035
hmmm
Lets say after the heresy Space Sharks got lost in the warp for quite a while
Explains their sudden mysterious appearence at Badab
> Anything is possible when you travel in the warp and not with FTL jumps like a Tau faggot
> I'm in a Battlecruiser

>>47318038
It is as if they did not.

Their primarch has rerouted the waste lines to run below his dormitory, for some reason.

So, Angron lands on Chemos instead. The people were going to euthanize the orphan, but he beated them up and killed some of his would be executioners, so the ration problem was solved. Because he can now think due to the nail's absence, he still saves Chemos through production engineering...and brutal discipline.

>>47316366
MEDUSON, IT'S ON NOW TRAITOR MOTHERFUCKERS!

>>47318035
>I thought they had RG gene-markers?
They do. THey're origins are form the Terran XIX Nomadic Predation Fleets, but they abducted and raided from across the galaxy. The Ashen Claws stole NL genestock(possibly UM too) to supplement their ranks. Terran XIX culture in the predation fleets mixed with stolen geneseed are the most likely origin for the Carcharodons.

>>47317960 was just giving a refluff to justify using NL rules.

>>47318123
Could be, also hi mkv termie indomitus armour looks spiffy.

>>47318368
New bread

>>47314972
Nah, looks more blue than green to me. A bit dark, but some AL images in the books look like dark blue.

>>47318077
>Ferrus now wields a huge chain-hammer
Nah, its a regular hammer, just huge as fuck. Ferrus was more confused but admitted that at the end of the day a primarch could probably kill something with a sledgehammer that massive just as easily as with an actual thunder hammer. So a hammer that has a handle like 12 feet long and a head the size of a space marine in the fetal position. Thing could probably flatten tanks given the mass of its head and the energy behind its swing even if it didn't have a power field.

Hammer is probably something like
Str: x2, AP: 1, Armourbane, Concussive, Strikedown, Two-Handed