Warmachine/Hordes General!

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>>47296552
Oh yeah, my main man Durgen is gonna see even more play than in mk2

There are straight up retards on the forum arguing about the definition of 'warnoun' right now. Just fucking kill me already

>>47296604
fuck do you argue about

>>47296581
I'm really hoping one of the Magnusi can do a 'jack-brick well enough that I don't need to dip into Rhul, but holy fuck Durgen looks tempting.

>>47296552
So, what about that card leak?

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>>47296630
With the power increases and new free focus I bet both will be viable. Also don't forget Renegades. I wonder if they're still FA2? But yeah, I loved Durgen so much I converted his model quite heavily and used him all through mk2. I was afraid he'd lose something important, like Primed, but my fears were unfounded and he's even better. Now I have a use for all eight Gunners and Blasters that I own!

>>47296659
99% probably just trolling, but I'd be interested in being proven wrong

>>47296682
Same for me.

>>47296604
One of my favorite threads on PP's forum was when a dude posted about Warjacks vs Tanks, and started by saying he was sure everyone was going to tell him warjack, but humor him.

And the first reply was about the warjack flipping the tank over.

If I play Legion will people hate me.

>>47296630
Mags2 getting Field Marshal [Unyielding] is going to be a monster, now we just need to see if they replace his shitty nukes with useful spells like they seem to be doing on Mags1 (he gained Scourge, presumably as a replacement for Oblit).

>>47296726
We're not sure yet. They are truly hate-worthy in Mk2, but Mk3 could be a different game.

>>47296726
Yes

>>47296792
I dunno. Legion were already a pretty high skill faction in Mk2, and Mk3 looks to be making it even more skill oriented.

what factions do you play, not just own but actually play?

http://www.strawpoll.me/10138678

>>47296803
takes a lot of skill to not worry about terrain

>>47296862
Or models either, now that the Ravagore is arcing fire.

>>47296862
Na.

It does take a lot of skill to always be on top of attrition, because you're going to get fucked the minute you aren't.

Of course, the problem lists of the faction(L2) didn't have this problem, but the faction generally had a huge issue in that the minute they fell behind, they were fucked hardcore.

So I'm seeing people say new Croe's are actually good, but why? Is it just because of how slippery a SPD6 unit with Stealth and Reposition 5 is?

Their offensive stats seem sad unless you're triggering Backstab, which is easier than it was in Mk2 but they don't have any special tech to help them slip into rear arcs before attacking, unless they blow a turn sprint their asses up a board edge to get a hard flank I don't see them getting it easily.

>>47296897
Oh damn, and now with the 4" AOE you need 2 rows or a colossal to screen with to prevent getting hit

>>47296552
>Rhulic is the new OP faction!

W-what... happened?

>>47296929
Madhammer now gives all his jacks Cont Fire on their attacks, and the gunbunnies kept powerful attack.

>>47296935
Is there any other news? Did they buff the heavies?

>>47296913
Not easy, no, but they seem to be decent super mobile harassers that can really fuck with some opponents plans, especially with an upkeep on them. Quicken, for example. Also they're appropriately costed now instead of super expensive.

>>47296950
http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-05-16-2016
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?251023-OFFICIAL-Insider-05-16-William-Hungerford-Mercenaries-Overview
Yeah a ton of stuff got buffed

>>47296950
Yea.

Off the top of my head, Avalancher got Quake on it's gun and Shield Guard, the other heavy that didn't blow up picked up Steady(can't be pushed) and Ram on it's melee weapon.

OAC picked up Assault and Tough and got cheaper.

The Rifle dwarf unit got CMA, no word on the UA.

Thor got nerfed, Tune Up is now B2B and only boosts the first ranged attack damage roll.

>>47296935
also Durgen's feat gives boosted attack and damage rolls on AOE weapons, not just blast damage, as well as Gunfighter.

>>47296950
Driller got pow 18 on drill, PC 10, 1" melees. Gunbunnies kept Powerful Attack and PC 6. Nomad is pow 18 now, PC 11, and picked up a rule that when you repair it you do 1 extra, they said many Merc jacks got that one, Tried and True.

>>47296969
Tune up is attack, not just ranged. You can do melee.

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Daily buff prayer: Answered Edition

>>47296969
Actually, Ram is on the Rockrams gun, it's melee weapon keeps crit stagger.

>coc near no vhanges
>no new models
Who here /changeisscary/

>>47297298
Induction is a huge shift for them.

Aerogenesis promises to be a fucking hilarious spell to use, especially on Aurora's feat turn.

Lucant's new spell, especially if it's cheaper, seems great.

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>>47296682
>>47296689
its real. anything you REALLY want to know?

>>47297328
Well I'd ask for a link, but that's probably stretching it. How about Thunderhead? Or the Journeyman Warcaster?

I didn't see any changes to Ossrum. Hopefully now that native Rhulic infantry is better and the Earthbreaker isn't the only real option, his playstyle will change.

>>47297328

do you have the back of either magnusi?

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>>47297344
ive got shitty net, but ill look at it in 30min or so

>>47297328
Off the top of my head, Damiano, Basher, Choir. No chance for an English version, eh?

>>47297372

the right side is english doofus

>>47297372
Yep, literally did not scroll right

>>47297328

If Protectorate is out, then Harbinger. And/or Deliverers.

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>>47297344
>>47297355
last one was a little shitty. maybe this is clearer
back later

>>47297368
>poing de choc
You french guys are funny.

Anyway, thanks for these! I assume you can't give away your source?

>>47297328
Ugh spell ward? Literally killed that unit. And she lost a defense.

>>47297392
That is one amazing spell list.

>>47297392

thanks man!

>>47297328
vlads?

>>47297392
Thank you, brave Anon! Do you have the Avalancher? I'm just asking because it's been sitting on my shelf for years getting no love, and I hear it whispering to me in my sleep asking if this year will be the one it gets to come out and play again.

>>47297328
I'm going to second the choir, and vassal too please

>>47297431
They already said it picked up Quake on the gun and Shieldguard

>>47297392
Can we see Gastone, and maybe the devil dogs?

>>47297392
Oh god, Magnus can Scourge himself to prevent assassinations, can't he?

That is hilarious.

>>47297440
Ah, must have missed that. Well, Avalancher, you're one step closer to getting off the shelf.

>>47297392
Hmm, Thunderhead picked up a point of STR, but Energy Pulse actually got worse(though it's much easier to not kill your own models with it as well, so seems a fair trade).

Far as I can tell from it's cut off grid it's identical as well.

Lost crit Disruption on it's gun as well.

>>47297392
Any chance of Magnus2?

>>47297479
Yes, he sure as shit can.

Though i don't think you can cast an offensive spell on yourself, so you'd have to blast a sacrificial mook with it. Though that's totally Magnus' style.

>>47297540
He just arcs it to himself.

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Now the real question is:

Have they fixed the worst 'jack in the game yet?

>>47297554

That's not the Freebooter.

>>47297554
Talon had some great use in Bad Seeds.

And that's not Triumph.

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>>47297392
>That spell list
>Kept Resourceful
>Merc jacks getting buffed as fuck
Magnus1 might be a monster.

>>47297569
He had most of those spells already, really.

Problem was easy upkeep removal, which is going away.

>>47297550
I suppose, though that's reliant on positioning to be totally reliable, he fails to hit himself with spells on average dice which could result in it scattering off unless the arc node is close. Or worse yet he could directly hit and spike damage on his own face, POW13 is no joke.

>>47297594
But now he has deathward, whis is probably the best arm buff a jack could possibly have.

>>47297607
It is better than Temper Metal, but it's not that much insanely better.

Is Spirit Fang still bad?

>>47297594
Scourge is a HUGE deal, and Death Ward is a pretty big upgrade from Temper Metal except in fringe situations, since it's model/unit instead of just Warjack so he can buff up a unit or even himself with it as necessary.

>>47297328
Huh, she looks really different in that image. I wonder if she's getting a new sculpt.

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no menoth or khador, sorry.
heres a bit more. maybe ill do some more later. my net kept shitting out when i tried to do the pdfs.

>>47297626
That's some of her classic artwork, it's been around a while. She's actually got a ton of artwork, being one of the oldest characters

>>47297637
What do you have, out of curiousity?

And see if you can get them onto a sharing site, my guess is that they'll be more stable uploads when you try.

>>47297637
I love you. Also, dat Sam artwork.

>>47297392
Any chance of Harbinger?

Or all the cards? =p

>>47297637

thanks again!

>>47297637

>Gastone
>This model must have at least one warjack in its battlegroup at the start of the game.

What the fucking fuck, WHY? Why ruin a perfectly good solo like that? Were they sad that the juniors were well designed and worth taking both with and without a warjack?

Jesus christ, I knew they wanted Warjacks to be good in Mark 3, but I didn't realize they were going to be shoved down our throat at every opportunity.

Shit, I bet jack marshals are also going to be REQUIRED to marshal warjacks.

>>47297626
I've seen that art before, somewhere, so it isn't new.

I could also have sworn we've seen other Mk3 card art changes, but fuck if I can figure out which ones now that I think about it.

>>47297637
Sam's unit traded Trash for Dismantle, which seems a lot better overall. Sort of removes the Net from the picture, but honestly it means you don't have to get stupid with attacks against warjacks.

More interesting is the Net became a ranged attack, which is pretty hilarious. CRAs mean they can knock shit down with a CRAed net, then blow it up with Slug Guns.

>>47297695
Gastone is likely just a causality in the crossfire of "No more bringing a Junior to hand out cheap Arcane Shield buffs."

>>47297637
Here's a question, did they rework any caster massively?

>>47297637
Damn Magnus2 is tanky.

>>47297697
Well yeah, determining what art is new is pretty hard, as finding good Warmahordes art, new or old, is nigh impossible.

I know that particular Alexia, but I don't think I've ever seen it in good quality ever. Which is sad, because it's the best image of her.

>>47297637
I guess I'll keep banging on the Merc drum: Could we get Rover, Mangler, and/or Mule?

Starting to get a real good picture of what a Magnus army might look like, you might be Literally Jesus.

>>47297723
Yea he is. Unyielding and Escort is a fucking huge buff for him.

Fucking 16/19 warcaster, jesus.

>>47297723
I know this is just a knee jerk reaction, but I think he's going to be the merc go to for attrition. A deathwarded vanguard sitting in a zone, with unyielding, is going to a bitch to kill.

>>47297743
I think you mean 14/21.

>>47297637
Damiano and Steelhead Cav?

All the PPS guys would let drop about the Steelhead boat is that Rifles/Halbs are the same but cheaper, which is nice to know but not very exciting.

>>47297751
Yea, whoops.

Didn't Escort used to give a def buff?

>>47297709

>More interesting is the Net became a ranged attack

And fucking AoE 3, which is just utterly absurd. Unless deviation has changed it's a guaranteed knockdown. They lost CRA btw.

>Gastone is likely just a causality in the crossfire of "No more bringing a Junior to hand out cheap Arcane Shield buffs."

That'd be really sad, because there are so many ways to fix that which don't involve ruining juniors like Gastone and Aiakos.

>>47297762
Nope, I'm just remembering shit wrong.

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>>47297711
nothing MASSIVE, but lots of small buffs and nerfs. some seem to make bad casters worse... so thanks, PP.
>>47297660
cygnar, mercs, legion, trolls, skorne

i might do some more later, but thats its for now. hope it gets you all pumped for mk3

>>47297771
Skorne shit would be excellent.

Just the casters, really.

>>47297751
That makes murdering a bitch with Foecleaver a realistic possibility, his biggest problem was that even under his Feat he tended to die like a bitch if he pressed forward aggressively enough to personally threaten things, which felt terrible given how killy he is.

>>47297762

No, Escort is unchanged in effect. The text got changed a bit so people won't accidentally Sprint an extra 2" with it.

>>47297771
>Mangler up to POW18 and has Aggressive
SWIGGITY SWOOTY

>>47297771

thanks once more, I main legion but if you could give the skorne guys something to soothe their salty asspain before you go you'd make me very happy

>>47297771
You know, I was gonna do Ret for mkIII, before I saw the Ret insider even, but now I'm full aboard for sticking with mercs after today and seeing these. God damn.

>>47297817
It's amazing how one or two new rules and some point tweaks, along with Power Up changes these models.

Like, the Rover only picked up Shield Guard, but god damn does it look so much better as an end game heavy.

>>47297837
It also gained a point of POW on the shield, which isn't nothing.

>>47297862
I think every shield picked up a point of POW, except where the jack picked up a point of strength.

We can also infer that either the Rover or Mangler went down a point, or they both went down a half-point, since Magnus1 has 30 WJP and we know all the Journeyman League battleboxes equal 0 net points.

>>47297868
The avalancher has an "Assault Shield." That shit should be POW 3 or 4.

>>47297952
FUCKING DIRTY IS WHAT IT IS

>>47297961
God damn it, it disappeared, and I didn't save it.

>>47297962
Neither did I.

Remember MAT6 RAT6 RNG10 POW10 gun POW8 horns.

Think they were 14/12 and SPD6, maybe 7

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Hooray for too many tabs, and having one with the post still in there.

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>>47297961
>>47297962
got it just in time

>>47297968

holy shit good memory anon

>>47297968
SPD6, and they had 2x on the guns.

Which is interesting, I had sort of figured they would make models dual-wielding identical ranged weapons ROF2 rather than retain the 2x notation.

>>47297986
It might matter for concepts like initials.

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>>47297998
what are you trying to prove?

>>47297982
Bretty gud, especially with debuff-heavy casters like Denny1.

>>47297982
Hot damn

If you guys have Skorne casters, please, seriously.

I want to see while Soles thought pHexxy was better, and what they did with the rest of them.

Oooh, if you're still taking requests here's a super-relevant one: Master Gunner Dougal MacNaile.

Let's see if PP put was talking out their ass or not when they were talking up Artillerist support solos in that insider.

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>>47298040

>>47297328
Asphyxious2, please

>>47298055
Nerfed!

>>47298055
No more double powder for those Nyss Bows.

>>47298055
>Double Powder is now Privateer only
>Quad-Iron is d3+1

Vaguely disappointing, but Artillerist will still be worth it.

I wonder if Dwarves will have an artillery support dude coming down the pipe.

>>47298055
Dump the nyss and sea dogs.

>>47298010
I love them

>>47298074
I'd rather they get a real journeyman caster now that Thor is less powerful.

>>47298083

c'mon anon at least ask politely

Politely asking for Journeyman Warcaster. Or Stormwall. Or Makeda1.

>>47298083
Nyss have already had official spoilers.

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>>47298063
one of the last ill upload. ill leave skorne and legion. the salt at the moment is pretty small to whats coming (sorry)

Gunslingers seem all kind of Bullshit. For 3 mk2 points you get six shots to do feed back damage.

>>47298115
>the salt at the moment is pretty small to whats coming
Oh shit. Any general info?

>>47298115
>the salt at the moment is pretty small to whats coming (sorry)

topfuckignkek you gotta give us at least one of each now, please?

I heard typhon is super different? Any chance of his card?

>>47298116
POW10 unboosted isn't going to trigger much feedback, even with a Parasite on a heavy.

>>47298115
Is Stormwall still retarded AF?

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>>47298115
You goddamn cock-tease, I thirst for Skorne tears!

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>>47298121
:^)

>>47298145
You're a pretty cheeky lad :^)

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>>47298129
just this once

>>47298145
>Still RNG 14 POW 15
>Now with arcing fire and a larger aoe with scather
God damnit.

>>47298145

thanks!

>>47298171
That Circular Vision change might have some huge implications.

>>47298177
Lost auto-fire animus, i guess?

>>47298115
>>47298115
Thats Asphyxious1, but, thanks. Don't know why he was changed to speed 5 thats gay.

Did his feat really need to be nerfed to pow5?

Teleport now 6" feels bad

>>47297976
>>47297982
>>47298010
Oh shit, new stuff info? Those look awesome.

Any word on what "Thyron's buddies" are?

>>47298186

new animus will offset speed decrease at least

>>47298145
>buffing the Ravagore
What the actual fuck PP?

>>47298207
Eyeless sight changes still hurt it's range game quite a lot.

>>47298177
It's fairly relevant to note that Lylyth2 no longer has Shadow Pack or Snipe on her feat, and Eyeless no longer ignores Forests for LOS (and we're supposed to be seeing more terrain in Mk3).

They're still real damn good, but the super-bullshit has been toned down.

>>47298219
And the fact that they can no longer fully load themselves with Fury every turn to zero downside either is a big point.

Really wondering what Carnivean is getting now.

>>47298219
Does arcing fire not ignore forests when determining LOS?

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>>47298188
my bad. cheer up, friend

>>47298207
When taken in combination with the other things changing in the faction it isn't really a buff. Also losing the Cont Fire animus hurts a lot. It looks like a net nerf from what we've seen.

>>47298234
You cheeky cunt, drop some Skorne on us.

C'mon, I want to see how fucked they are.

>>47298233
No, it just ignores models.

>>47298171

Thanks man!

Any chance of EThags? By far my favourite model in the game except maybe Arch angel ;)

>>47298234
Gaspy2 still looks good without being turbo-bullshit, I like.

Now how about Haley2? How badly did they gut my ex-waifu?

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>>47298234
Sigh. Hellbound change is fine

I dont even care any more. Why would I want one cloud? And I mean say what you want about the old feat, but they must realise that d6+3 is fucking terrible.


Anyway you can upload a bulk pdf? I know it would take time, but you're doing gods work

>>47298280
Just guessing here, but I have a feeling they're going to roll back most of the hard cloudwalls in the game.

>>47298280
Because with more terrain on the board, you'll need less clouds.

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Skorne...please....

>>47298275
>>47298307
Trenchers kept theirs, but they have to stay in it as far as I know. We dont have the druids info unless anon has their card, but they also cant move out if it.

I mean, he has no feat, and is a total of 6" slower, basicly has nothing to spend focus on and cant even keep his army safe on approach wich was the only thing he did before that was notable (besides shotgun feat, wich he has none of now)


Got a darragh wraith in there?

>>47298344
>I mean, he has no feat

There's a little bit of exaggeration right here.

>>47298280
>I don't even care anymore

Because, as a Cryx player, you have a long history of being shat on, right?

He's fine. He just not super bullshit like he was before. Nigga is still better than 90% of mkii casters and most casters spoiled for mkiii.

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>>47298259
>>47298275

>>47298245
so you know, im protectorate, so, in a way, i need to know another faction is feeling my pain

>>47298388
Other players didn't pick the faction order though.

>>47298388
I can barely contain my laughter. They buffed eHaley.

>>47298388
It's not our fault *agonies

>>47298397
How the fuck did they buff her?

She lost Dead Eye, traded Decel for Deflection, and lost Replication.

>>47298423
Oh Deadeye. Yeah, that's a bummer. If it weren't for that, Future Sight would have easily made up for what she lost.

>>47298359
I've always felt that feats by their nature are supposed to be reliable. Between 4 and 9 is not reliable. I also hate randomness where it doesnt belong. D3+6, I feel, is a much better if they insist on adding that element because at least you can plan around it

>>47298362
Gaspys my favorite character in the fluff and in the game, so yeah I'm a little butthurt

Also I dont like when desiners just nuke things from orbit instead of bringing bad or lackluster things up to speed (this goes beyond WMH).

>>47298428
I mean, without camp, losing the ARM bonus from Decel is also a huge deal for her too now.

>>47298397

Well yeah. How can she be the most bullshit Chronomancer if only Ossyan gets Field Marshal: Future Sight?

>>47298430
I mean, he isn't nuked, man.

He still looks like an absolutely fine fucking caster, just not the absolute rapefest he was in Mk2.

And yea, you can't use your feat to reliably end up on top of attrition no matter how much of your army you've lost. Cry me a river.

>>47298434
Not really though. She usually camped no more than 2 anyways so the Overboosting change actually helps her. And newDeflection vs. oldDeceleration is about equal.

>>47298397
>no deadeye
>no deceleration
>no arcane vortex
>turbo OP feat still gone

I don't think you understand what made eHaley OP.

>>47298388
How about dat Junior Warcaster and Stormwall?

>>47298452
Vortex is pHaley.

>>47298452
Do you? For example, eHaley never had Arcane Vortex.

>>47298452
>no arcane vortex
>on eHaley
what?

And yes, she's completely nerfed now.

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>>47298456

Any info on new Sloan?

I'm really hoping she's playable this edition.

>>47298491
Do you possibly have Terminus or Mortenebra?

>>47298491
That Sweep buff, god damn.

You might actually see it get used now.

>>47298491

Any chance you can show us Shepherds please?

>>47298460
Sorry, I meant Replication there. Fingerslip.

>>47298491
That fucking Energizier nerf.

EHaley, now without Arcane Shield

>>47298491
Hey man you got some love for Ret ?

I would like to know more about caster like Ravyn.

In every case thank for everything!

>>47298491
Whoa. Sustained fire is jsut a tad better than Covering Fire. Limiting Lightning Pods sounds like a fair nerf.

>>47298519
And Arcane Vortex, right?

>>47298519
>>47298532
And her Echos.

Seriously why do people have so much trouble telling the Haleys apart?

>>47298499
>>47298491
Second those, would like to throw in Scaverous, the seether, the blood witches + hag and/or sepulcher

>>47298532
>>47298541
Wishlisting for Junior nerf

>>47298499
>>47298554
Terminus and if possible Mortenebra, please

C'mon man, just drop the PDF on us.

>>47298570
I'm fairly certain it has info that could identify him. As much as I would like it, he probably can't just dump it here.

>>47298557
Junior already got a defacto nerf since it seems all Journeymen are now forced to bring a Warjack in their battlegroup, so even if he keeps Arcane Shield he's no longer a 3-point buffbot that can hide a million miles away from danger with no consequences anymore.

>>47298570

he said he tried earlier but his connection isn't good, be satisfied he's giving us this much

>>47298594
I'm fairly certain this is a different guy.

>>47298593
But do they have the exact same pdf? Because if I were PP I'd have given each an identifyable version. As is usually done in these situations.

>>47298135
>>47297569
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>>47298617
Can you tell me just the name of the document ?

>>47298323
We need more Skorne things that use these.

>>47298617
That's not what I mean. If I were PP I'd embed some way of identification into the PDFs I send out. That way I could easily identify leaks when they come out. Sure, that can be circumvented, but <1% of people would know how.

>>47298627
Cryx leaks

>>47298617
> cryx document
Share it, please

My kingdom for a Menoth document =(

>>47298651
That french translator would care though. Which is why he probably isn't posting the entire document. Which was my point.

What I wouldn't give for a Fellblade wielding Warjack.

>>47298748
Essentially what Ruin is.

Intresting turn of events with the post deleting...

So are we done with the leaks then?

>>47298755
The deleted one was just the guy posting a clipped pic of the artwork on the cards

>>47298755
Please no I have a powerful need for more Merc spoilers. Damiano and the Basher and SH Heavy Cav please!!

>>47298751
Well, whoops.

>>47298755
This world is full of idiot.
That why we can't have nice things.

>>47298789
Don't forget Rocinante, he's pretty relevant to the Damiano picture.

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>>47298491
Thanks, man. Any chance of Ossyan and the Hyperion?

>>47298817
Terminus. Please.

>>47298817
I want to know how Terminus was changed.
And Mortenebra. But mostly Terminus.

>>47298817

Tartarus?

If it's Dragonfather related love, can we get some info on Goreshade3?!

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>>47298817
i want to know what your problem is

We need some goddamn Jeremiah Kraye love

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>>47298835
>>47298839
I'm sorry friends, this picture shows the only change he had.

>>47298817
I mean, Im cool with venethrax leaks. Im repainting mine

But also terminus and gaspy3, plz

>>47298866
Thank you

> Arm 18
So apparently he isn't a "fronline" warcaster? Or what all that talk about +1 arm to frontline casters was?

>>47298827
Aside from the wording on some spells changing he's basically unchanged, isn't he? I'm cool with that.

>>47298827
Interesting, vengeance is now triggered on damage rather than destroyed. Sure foot is a side grade. Overall, he remains mostly the same?

>>47298866
No armor buff?
I guess he is still good
Assault means, we're finally gona use his spray

>>47298899
Wait no holy fuck he gives Reposition [5] now.

>>47298866
Wtf, they said he was getting an armor boost.

>>47298859
Aw, he lost caustic prescence.

>>47298916
Just post the whole card, mang. Id like to see the wording for his feat

Give it to me straight doc, how fucked is Skorne?

>>47298934
Huh? I'm talking about Damiano, who was posted right here >>47298827

Syly willy anyone ?

Can you show us the cards that show that Satyxis Raiders don't have Advance Deployment or CMA anymore, the Bane Warrior UA card that shows that they don't have tough anymore, the Goreshade 2 card that shows that he got Tactician[Bane] to replace the elite cadre, the Goreshade 1 card that shows that Shadowmancer was nerfed to 7 inches bubble only and he gained lamentation instead of Mageblight, the Warwitch Siren card that shows that they got +1 MAT, the Coven card that shows that Perfect Conjunction only boosts magic attack rolls now and the Skarre 1 card that shows that her feat only affects up to 5 models now?

>>47298975
Skarre1 doesn't work that way, she can feat up to any number of models. (for a point of damage per each ofc)

Spoiler-anon, I just need the basics. Nothing fancy or convoluted. Can you show me Stryker 1?

>>47298859
Can you post scaverous?

I wonder how assault kommandos are going to come out of this.

>>47299010
Forget about Stryker. He's almost guaranteed to stay the same. Show me the Journeyman.

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>>47298975
some things arent what you said, but here it is. payment in anime titties, please

Bloodgorgers and Gerlak. I hope they get their blood mark shit back.

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>>47299038
>payment in anime titties, please
You know I can't post those on /tg/. I would though.

>>47299040
Seconded

>>47299038
These units are expensive.

>>47299084
Banes got 1 MK3point more expensive. That's it.

>>47299038
Dear heavenly leaker, all I ask for is Bloodgorgers and Gerlak for my sins.

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>>47299038
Have some animu titties. Now post the Skarre 2 card that shows Field Marshal [Future Sight], the Blood Witches card that shows the new attack type that makes them incorporeal, the Erebus card that shows that he's immune to cold and its claws cause stationary, the Harrower card that shows that it collects souls from 5'' range and can boost attack and damage rolls with a single soul, the Soulhunters card that shows that they have +1 SPD and the Madelyn Corbeau card that shows that she doesn't give extra movement anymore.

>>47299040
>>47299102

I'm so sorry guys, but you will be disappointed.

>>47299038
We Need some Kraye

>>47299089
The raiders are doubled but they lost AD and CMA. They gained magic weapons; we dont know whats on the back of the card or what the UA or Captian solo does *cough*

Also crxy's "thing" is supposed to be cheap assholes. So far legion has the cheapest assholes

Spoilers for 2 flavours of Goreshade and nothing for Goreshade3, killing me here!

>>47299104
>Field Marshal [Future Sight]
They're handing that out like candy, aren't they?

>>47297637
Did someone complain that Gypsy Kiss was offensive? The gun is now called Soul Reaver.

>>47299132

No, it was just changed to match his epic form.

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>>47299104
you can have madelyn

>>47299125
Spell Vortex works against all spellcasters now.

>>47299153
Nerfed Gerlak.

No one actually has Skorne spoilers, do they?

>>47299153
Oh man... They lost gang and steady...

Thanks for the leak though.

>>47299153
Please, sir, can we have the steelhead units? Especially the cavalry

>>47299176
What? That Leadership is fucking badass.

>>47299153
I am still begging for the journeyman.

>>47299153
So I own too many madelyns and to many dougles.

Gang was the only reason I ever took these guys so that sucks.

>>47299153
Oh man that Madelyn Parley.

>>47299191
Can't move and attack again anymore.

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>>47299104
im spent. bed now.

>>47299219
Why not?

>>47299232

thank you

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>>47299200
sorry, i think i mistook it for wanting jakes

>>47299219
Yes, he can. And so can all of the Bloodgorgers. Who also got Unyielding. What more do you want?

>>47299210
Nevermind, I'm dumb and cant read. Parlay is interesting and sucker works on undead now

>>47299232
Thanks for everything. Will you be on later to share some more Merc cards?

>>47296913
>they don't have any special tech to help them slip into rear arcs before attacking

Advanced deployment lets them get a head start on getting up the field.

Pathfinder lets them ignore any terrain in their way as they advance up the field.

Reposition 5" lets them move up, shoot, and STILL move up the field.

Stealth lets them avoid getting shot up as they move up the field.

Send them up a flank.

>>47299252
I am thankful for your spoiler and diappointed in PP.

The junior is what caused Cygnars bad matchups. And caused them to auto-include the Stormwall.

>>47299278
You've got to put a jack on junior now, so he's not a 3 point arcane shield bot anymore.

>>47297976
Since they are only 3 models and small based, I hope they'll be metal models.

>>47299247
>>47299254
Overtake triggers after the berserk attacks. No sleeping on the job was also better than berserk on models without reach.

>>47299292
And he got a point cheaper. So now I have to take a cheap jack with him that he can fuel more easily now? Oh no.

This adresses no part of the problem the model posed.

>>47299299
>Overtake triggers after the berserk attacks.
We will know that when the rulebook hits.

>>47299302
I doubt it very much, but Cyngar has the distinct problem of not having any cheap jacks to easily put on him.

Best thing was either a Hunter or a Charger. It's still not a minor investment.

>>47299254
Gang and Steady. I dont need unyielding.

The +1 arm and innate overtake are all cool and the gang, but now they need a mat fixer.

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>>47299186
this will have to do.
>>47299265
ill be back in 24 hours i guess. hope ive sated some appetites

>>47299314
It says that on the card. Berserk attacks happen immediately after the attack that killed something. He can't kill something, move with overtake and then attack again anymore.

>>47299315
Sure, but when is a Charger with 3 free focus ever a bad investment?

>>47299252
Any chance of some Retribution spoilers please.

Have they fixed the original heavies? Is Nayl worth a damn now?

Is nobody going to point out that confidential is written wrong on every card?

>>47299322
>hope ive sated some appetites
Yeah, thanks a lot.

>>47299326
The word "immediately" had no meaning in MK2, we'll see how it goes in MK3.

>>47299326
In mk2, immediately had no timing priority over other events, it only existed to prevent you from being able to do weird shit with the actions.

I doubt very much that changed in mk3.

>>47299335
It's written in french.

>>47299335
Please tell me you are joking and not stupid.

>>47299327
It's not a bad one, but it's certainly not a cheap one.

The whole problem with the junior in mk2 was he was a super cheap source of Arcane Shield. Having to pay for him and a Charger means he's no longer a cheap source of Arcane Shield.

The guy that post Cygnar spoiler is the same one that post the spoiler of Mercs ?

>>47299322
Fuuuuck they lost Backswing

>>47299357
Now tell me with a straight face that you would ever not take him in his MK3 form.

>>47299357
Having a 'jack on him also means he has to at least be vaguely close to the game so he can provide Focus to it, and it also means he can be murderfucked by Backlash if you don't play conservative with the 'jack.

>>47299377
He can no longer just sit in the back line and do nothing all game long, so that means he's in more danger of getting himself killed.

Like, he's still worth it, but if you don't have a way to protect him, your opponent is just going to kill him.

>>47299322
Thanks a lot, dude. Cannot wait for ret stuff. Hyperion and Helios in particular.

>>47299394
Well he could, but then you'd have a no-focus light jack stumbling about being useless.

>>47299322
Got any love for poor old Ios?

>>47299394
He can sit 6" behind the back edge of a base of a light warjack with a 12" gun. He can stay in the fucking deployment zone and still contribute. That has never been a problem.

>>47299432
You know terrain is changing so that you can't just have easily gunline shots from the back line anymore, right?

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>>47299322
>Lost backswing
>Down to 1" melee

Ok, on the bright side, I don't have to blow $90 on them now. I can almost buy three Heavies instead, or most of a Colossal.

I don't suppose Stannis gained a bunch of rules that makes them not suck when he stands next to them or something?

>>47299436
Yeah. 1 more terrain piece per table. What a game changer. Throw away your guns and get out those machetes.

>>47299456
And terrain closer to the center of the board, closer together, and in the zones.

>>47299462
And granting their bonuses to fewer models. So what are you telling me? That you can't get a firing corridor from ~AD line into a zone?

>>47299479
That you're going to have a hell of a lot harder time even drawing LoS to the kind of models you want the Charger to be shooting at.

>>47299449
I mean, it's still a POW 12 assault pow 13 4 dice charge with Flank. With Damiano, it's a RAT 7 POW 14, boosted MAT 8 POW 13 4 dice, and can feat for POW 16 and Deadeye or death march. Does not include impacts since I would usually kill the halberdier flanking.

So spoiler friend, are the Skorne and Protectorate ones really that bad?

>>47299511
Just have it shoot at the nearest enemy models. If it kills off 2 regular infantry dudes per turn it's already worth its points.

>>47299479
Oh it'll be able to fire at something, but that something has a good chance of not being relevant enough for the Charger to justify his cost.

Frontline chaff aren't exactly his preferred targets, if all a Charger does for most of the game is plonk away at throw-away troops he's basically being wasted. A big part of why gun-lights are good is because they're durable enough that they can survive pushing forward to get better shots far better than your average dudesman with a gun. If a Charger is hiding at the edge of the AD zone sniping infantry he's basically just being Kell Bailoch, who is half his points.

>>47299449
They did pick up a point of arm and mat. It's something. I also want a Stannis that's worth it.

>>47299551
It absolutely isn't worth it's points.

>>47299561
What cost? He was 4 points and will certainly not be more than 8 in the new edition. 2 almost guaranteed dead models per turn are well worth 8 points.

Especially if that means I'll get to take a fucking broken 4MK3p solo along with it.

>>47299593
You honestly think that's worth 8 points, to kill maybe 6 chaff models in a game?

Your Charger isn't doing shit, man.

>>47299604
You keep telling yourself that. How about you take a look at the average Cygnar list 2 months from now and tell me whether or not they include a Journeyman? I'll bet actual currency that he'll be in >90% of lists, exactly like he is now.

>>47299604

Charger reliably shoots lights and casters, as well as killing a lot of medium based infantry.

He's also pretty resilient for his points as long as you are smart with him

>>47299660
If he's getting shots on casters, he's not sitting in the back.

Same with lights, really. Unless combat lights have drastically changed, they're also going to be behind the chaff.

The point is he's never moving this thing far enough forward to actually do work.

>>47299634
>>47299604
I am more of the idea that Journeyman will take Firefly or Sentinel more.

Rememeber than now killing him is more hard,cause he can tank single hit a lot more easily.

>>47299674
Sentinel will probably be the go-to since a Shield Guard can justify his existence in some matchups just by standing there, he doesn't need input from the Junior.

>>47299604
You do understand not everything is about killing correct? Boosted pow 12s threaten most things in the game and if it just locks down a flank then it's earned it's points back through denial.

>>47299672
18" threat walking before stuff like tk is pretty cool.

Hell, temporal acceleration for 3 fully boosted pow 12s at 20" range is significant.

>>47297554


Stall now just makes jacks straight up stationary. He also hits a little harder and is 3.5/7 points

So why even bother taking jakes over the junior now? There's no situation where the opportunity cost of not bringing the arcane shield bot is justified if you're taking a journeyman.

>>47300025
>So why even bother taking jakes over the junior now?
>now
There was no reason to do so before. Now Jakes is comparatively improved because she buffs her jack and doesn't mind getting close enough to shoot her gun thanks to the Sidekick buff keeping her alive (she does have to fear Blasts and the rare few auto-hit effects, but not much else), while Junior actively hinders his jack's combat ability because he wants to cower as far away from the fight as possible. Also previously Jakes was a point more expensive than Junior, now they're the same cost.

Junior is still better, but Jakes at least provides a reasonable argument for taking her now.

>>47300138
Jakes is completely unchanged except she costs 4 and energizer was nerfed. She already had both those spells.

Would you hug Harkevich?

>>47300152
Yes, I realize that, but the point is Junior is now FORCED to pay for a warjack that he supports very poorly, while Jakes was already taking a warjack that she does a pretty decent job of supporting. She didn't get better, but Junior got worse by virtue of being forced to pay for a jack he really doesn't want.

Doug Hamilton just asked the Legion FB group to remove the images. Could mean nothing, could mean that they were legit at some point in time.

>>47300174
what group?

>>47300203
Legion Facebook

>All these shitters believing these are fake

>>47300174

I see typhon and ravagore with no comments, where do you see it or did the rest get removed already?

I highly doubt these are the current rules. They're likely from an older playtest.

Terminus doesn't have the arm boost he was specifically said to get on the forum. So either they were wrong or these are old.

>>47300226
What URL? If I google something like "legion facebook" or "legion facebook hordes", there are shitton of things. And they aren't warmachine-related

>>47300243

This one >>47297328 has a date of April 20th on it.

>>47300243
That's true, but that one point of ARM is the only thing inconsistent with what they've said, and there's always the possibility that someone was talking out their ass and Terminus didn't actually end up with +1 ARM.

If these aren't final cards they're probably pretty damn close.

>>47300243
He also called Mortenebra a frontline caster, remember?

We reddit now! But they think the cards are polish not french.

>>47300253
Ugh I knew I should have screenshotted it lol.

>>47300312
>But they think the cards are polish not french.
What? How? Those are not even close to similar.

Also, what was that about the legion facebook page? I don't use the blue F.

>>47300243
PP has proven they don't know the rules on their own cards before.

give us the real stuff, wheres prime conflux?

Where is the love for the man in the can, Darius Please!

so, who's getting fired for this?

Troooooollllls

Man, I hope the other journeyman warcasters see greater changes than Jakes.

Elara was straight-up unplayable garbage.

>>47300523
Well, does gastonne losing his point discount and flank count as a greater change? Not sure if backstab really makes up for it.

>>47300523
I'm pretty sure that Elara would get changed considering that she was the only one that nobody, I mean NOBODY liked

If eMags and the merc Jack changes go through, I'm going to be ecstatic

>>47300554
Well they confirmed in the Merc insider thread that he had gained Field Marshal [Unyielding] and left it at that, so that's a decent indicator that the card we're seeing is mostly legit.

>>47300538
No one gets nerfed like Gastonne.

>>47300590
Also we know that the Nomad became PS 18, retained 2" reach, gained Tried and True, and is 11pts. That level of power is fairly consistent with the Merc jacks spoiled in this thread.

KEEP POSTING! MORE ANYTHING! I LUST FOR SPOILERS!

>>47300550
I'm not sure how much they can change her, while keeping to her general theme, without making her too good. A gimped version of teleport, maybe? Sprint? Wind Rush?

She was never used as intended, because leaving her close to a melee would mean dead elf and inert 'jack.

Maybe she needs a total redesign. Or her dumb sickles need to be boomerang-like ranged weapons or something.

>>47300619
Calm down Jay, sure you can just call up PP if you need it

>>47300624
>A gimped version of teleport, maybe?
You just mean "teleport" right?

>>47300619
The guy went to sleep. Try again tomorrow.

>>47300624
Allow her jacks to break the 3 focus limit.

Only thing she did was pump focus into jacks so it makes sense to me that she should be allowed to over fill her jacks.

battlegroup sprint would be the most logical thing, refuge would work well as well.

>>47300725
You tease lol

>>47300725
Then stop being a dick and drop some Skorne.

C'mon man, at least a caster or two.

>>47300739
Oh, well, shit.

Nevermind then, sorry.

>>47300725
We're wise to your tricks, shitposter-kun.

Actual non-faggot leaker will be back in due time.

>>47300739
Would you mind spoiling Morty then? ^_^