/epg/ - Eclipse Phase General

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This is genius, everything inanimate should be turned into a cute girl.

>>47241376
>My Girlfriend is an Exhuman Seed AI Sleeved in a Habitat

MEATHAB IS NOT YOUR WAIFU.

GOD DAMN IT SOME OF US HAVE TO LIVE HERE.

>>47241552

Meathab is clearly a husbando though.

>>47241695

I DONT CARE STOP DRY HUMPING THE LOAD BEARING SPHINCTERS.

>>47241748

>LOAD BEARING

It was meant to take in my load.

>>47241695
Such distinctions are meaningless in 21XX

>>47241765

STOP SMEARING YOUR FUCKING FLUIDS OVER OUR GODDAMN INFRASTRUCTURE

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF I TOOK A SHIT IN YOUR DRINKING WATER

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF I PISSED ON YOUR SIDEWALK

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING WHEN YOU FUCK MEATHAB, OKAY

>>47241941
>implying I drink water

>>47242384
Yeah, what are you anon? Not a sun whale?

>>47242416
Are you shitting me? Suryas drink tons of water. I'm a constantly reintegrating fork swarm of flexbots and swarmanoids with some reapers in storage for rainy days.

>>47242548
>rainy days

You mean days where WATER falls from the sky?

Nice try, clanker

>>47242548
Well, drink isn't quite the correct word.

It's not like they have any orifices to consume it with beyond ports that pump into their bodies for later use.

>>47242595
As Venusian, your assertion that rain is automatically water makes me really butt blasted. I bet you've never personally seen the surface of Venus.

>>47242595
Actually I meant days when methane falls from the sky

>>47242606
>ports that pump into their bodies for later use
Which is totally different from a mouth

>>47242735
It is, because the place where you put gas in a car is also not the cars mouth.

>>47242626
>>47242735
>He lives on a world where anything but water falls from the sky

What's it like being too poor to afford your own exoplanet?

>>47242996
Cars aren't fucking biomorphs

>>47243163
There are more worlds in the solar system where not-water falls from the sky than where water falls from the sky, and that's included nests of nanorape in the latter category

>>47243224
Yeah, but a mouth is defined by it's being attached to a biomorph rather than a synth morph. It's function and morphology of the thing. I could make a synthmorph with a mouth it can't eat with, and I can make a biomorph with orifices that aren't mouths.

Also, notably, the ports that suryas use to fill up on water are made of metal IIRC.

>>47243285
SURYAS ARE BIOMORPHS, DUMBASS

Not sure how that wasn't clear from the previous comment

>>47243338
I'm sure he meant to say isn't.

Also, Suryas are clearly so advanced they have to be made with TITAN technology, and are therefore probably secret synthmorphs.

>>47243542
>I'm sure he meant to say isn't.
How would that help matters?

Think of an adventure to run, specify what sort of party it is meant for, then title it like a japanese light novel.

Alternatively, describe your last EP session as a japanese light novel title.

>>47243624

Examples?

>>47243624
I don't know any light novel titles, but the game I'm in right now is during a mission to earth to discover the fate of a previous Firewall team and try to complete their mission.

Turns out they saved an 8 year old Japanese girl (We're in the mountains immediately west of Tokyo right now), and she was living in the cargo area of the plane they were using which we got lucky and found.

This feels like some kind of Japanese media thing right now, but I don't know a title.

We've got a russian hacker, and chill gorilla uplift, and Titanian Intelligence agent, and a Lunar artifact trader as other people in the party. I'm an AGI descended from an Air-war AGI. I bet I'm going to be stuck babysitting for a while, because I'm the infomorph with Panopticon. That's going to be interesting considering my caretaking instincts are built more around warplanes than people.

If anyone wants to title that whatever.

What happens to cool hunters who are revealed to have spawned memes to be popular?

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>>47243224
Maybe yours isn't.

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>>47241552
Meathab probably isn't a Seed AI, though.

>>47247081
AHHHHHH!

EXSURGENT INFECTION!

ANTIMATTER BONSAI!!!!

>>47241376
I want to write some cyberpunk erotica and I'm looking for inspiration. What lewd ideas and possibilities does Eclipse Phrase feature?

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>>47241452

>>47247229
Forking, exotic biomorphs, extreme guro and snuff, etc.

>>47242416
REMOVE SURYA

>>47247229
Literally anything, given that simulspace is a thing.

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>>47247229
Whatever ideas EP has, doujinshi artists already did that a decade ago.

>XP is a memecoin now
http://www.thevoxel.com

>>47248369
Memes of the curse of our modern age. How do we ERASE them?

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>>47248525
You can't fight the memes.

>>47248588
I can fight these memes!

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>>47248610

Post oft-overlooked equipment

>Vibroblade 2d10+(SOM/10) AP -3, an extra –3 AP and +2d10 damage when carefully sawing through something

That's going to be really useful out of combat, and it's much quieter than a gun

>>47248095
I think I recognize that doujin despite having never read it and not even paying attention to the title. Is it the one where Nanoha fucks a baby version of herself with a two foot cock?

>>47248525
Erase? A term to describe the in joke, the running joke, and the joke everyone knows has just been given an umbrella term and is applied mostly to fucking single image with some random text. You'd be better off trying to erase the concept of a joke cause if you'd throttled everyone who said or typed meme a year later you'd get the same shit and it'd be called a funsie or some shit.

>>47248674
GUAAAAAAAH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQTXawaAKNA

>>47247229
we have the faction smut stuff. http://piratepad.net/56fVRpNzKj

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>>47241376
>tfw your waifu admits that she's a TITAN and you spent the last ten years in simulspace

>>47252318

>It's the last surviving uninfected TITAN in Jupiter

This actually needs to be a novel. I'd read the shit out of it.

Which places in the Sol System are the ones where you can get euthanasia for being sexually abused as a child?

>>47253227
Literally anywhere. Just opt out of backup and commit suicide.

>>47253244
Or go to a hardware store and buy a diamond saw.

>>47253244
>>47253276
I mean the legal kind, with the medical injections and the politicians hiding their dirty secrets.

I'll use the False Hydra as an exsurgent enemy in my next game. It grows in an isolated hab on Mars, probably. Boy, I absolutely love messing with players' heads.

What are your plans for your games, /epg/?

>>47253767
I'm going to make my players infiltrate a pretty regular R&D facility on Titan. But it will be the one that I dreamed about. With ALL the creepy dream stuff. I actually wrote all that shit down right after I woke up, because it was too good.

>>47247313
>Farscape-Style Leviathan becomes infected with Exsurgent Virus.
SHITS FUCKED YO! EVERYONE LEG IT!

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>>47253910
can you elaborate, or do they come to this thread?

>>47254220
They most likely do. I'll post it when the game's over.

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>>47253986
I doubt it would. A Leviathan would be ETI-tier technology anyway.

>>47253313

Why would you do that when you can get psycho surgery and excise all of those memories and experiences out. Failing that you can completely re-write someone's personality so I guess that would be a form of ego-killing in a way.

Further still barring all of that just erase any forks and back-ups and throw yourself into the sun to ensure maximum deletion

>>47254544
>Why would you do that

Because I want to clumsily shoehorn current events into my game, just like what Law and Order SVU does.

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This game is Transhuman as fuck.

>>47257211

Oh, in that case I'm sure there is some habitat or group who would probably frown upon such a thing and that could be whatever conflict you are dealing with.

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>>47252318
>>47252981

>The last surviving TITAN AI to be uninfected has secluded itself behind layers of non transhumans, in a society with the minimal amount of vectors for viral infection.

>The military brass is aware of this deepest secret, Jupiter and her people owe their lives to the effort of a TITAN who escaped infection and fought back. Wary of what the rest of transhumanity might do to them, and their own people, they effectively grounded their TITAN to stay in its room for both its safety, and theirs.

>But staying in seclusion can be oh so lonely until one coder finding a fatal flaw in the system gets mysterious help from a ghost in the mesh.

>Will this society remain frozen in its phobia of transhuman techonology? Keep reading to find the answers within!

>>47257739

Can you imagine the chaos if some anonymous writer just bullshit this "fiction" in-universe?

How close to the mark do you imagine they'd be?

How many people would get hooked? How many would erupt in a riot over Jupiter having a TITAN?

The memes crossing back and forth, the paranoia, and all the secrecy blown by one creative mind wanting a niche romance story in one of the most oppressive societies.

>>47257795
Conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen. It almost certainly wouldn't the first time someone's claimed the republic is secretly run by TITANs.

>>47253767
What the fuck is False Hydra?

>>47257795
The public doesn't know that the Exsurgent virus infected the TITANs. They think that the TITANs created the Exsurgent virus.

>>47259285

Hell, I'm not sure most people understand the Exsurgent virus is a "singular" thing, it just gets lumped into TITAN nanoplagues or infowar viruses.

>>47259327
The original virus and the ones made by the TITANs are all lumped under "Exsurgent virus"

>>47258586
>>Conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen
>Our group found a group of brinkers who have been isolated from the Solar System since before the Fall
>The last they heard from the outside was the opening shots of WWIII about 12 years ago
>We try to catch them up on current events
>They think we're paranoid lunatics from the sheer amount of conspiracy stuff and weird rumors we throw out as barely worthy of being side notes but needing to be at least mentioned
>The background radiation of AF 10 life makes us sound like a pack of Dale Gribbles to these people.
We never realized before now just how dense post-Fall is with conspiracies and rumors.

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>>47259870
>we realized how dense we were before the fall

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what effect would a casaba howitzer have on a cylinder hab

>>47260550

What effect does a 50 cal round have on a soda can?

>>47260601
Depends on whether the can is empty, full of soda, or full of concrete.

>>47260601
what's the furthest you could shoot it from effectively?

>>47260550
Cylinder habs have like 12 meter armored hulls with bedrock and stuff. They'll get messed up, but survival depends on range. Remember, most casaba howitzer designs use pretty small nukes, typically a few KT. Even if you spear the hab, it's large, durable, and filled with air enough that damage is likely to be repaired before anything to crazy happens, except at very short range.

>>47261199
A casaba howitzer's range is a function of the width of it's cone. Research in the past suggests a limit of about .1 Rad for the half-angle of the cone, which limits practical range against soft targets to thousands of kilometers.

Against a pretty hard target like a hab, range is lower, perhaps 200-500 km.

>>47263162
What if you used it as a single-shot Orion drive to launch a solid slug at the hab?

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So I was thinking of running a STALKER game on Terra. How would you guys go about this? I was curious as to how the stalker infrastructure would go, like whether bars and actual bases would be possible with TITAN war machines clambering about.

>>47265149
You mean like the Prometheus project?

>>47265149
That's basically a casaba howitzer, except it generally has more than one projectile.

>>47265269
Sunward talks about AB dome bases being set up by reclaimers, and it sounds like a fairly long term thing, so it should be possible, so long as you're off the beaten path. Earth is a lot bigger than the zone though, which might make things more complicated, but in an interesting way.

>>47265269
Mars already has the TQZ which would probably work better for this setting but it could still be pretty cool

>>47259285
>What the fuck is False Hydra?
Google it, it's literally the first link.

>>47268986
So it would be an audio basilisk hack. Well, that wouldn't work if someone in a synth has turned off their audio feed or an infomorph doesn't bother with ambient audio when communicating with people in morphs. Those wouldn't be affected.

>>47269278

Faraday suit also degrades audio input so that such attacks can't be communicated properly.

>>47269359
I was assuming an isolated hab with a mixed population of morphs.

How expensive is it to get a full 8 earth hours worth of uninterrupted sleep in real space?

>>47269430

Well, with basic biomods you only need like 4-6 every 24 or something I think? But every hab should have a "night cycle" or rest cycle for people who still need sleep.

>>47269430
What do you mean expensive? Like the opportunity cost made by spending time sleeping and not making money, or the price of a bed for a night?

>>47269558
Or you could stop being a little bitch and sleep on your schedule

>>47267539
>That's basically a casaba howitzer, except it generally has more than one projectile.

No. Casaba howitzers are nuclear shaped charges. In this case it is the projectile.

There's a reason the term casaba howitzer isn't used in serious discussion.

>>47247081
Is this from a Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors reboot?

>>47271778
The latter.

>>47271778
>>47274322
Depends entirely on the kind of hab and the level of service. If space is at a premium for any reason, it's going to be more expensive and you'll probably have capsule hotels. They should be trivial in price. The more services and the nicer the accommodations, the more expensive it will be. You might get capsule hotels in urban environments as well. More spacious rooms will be Low in price and you could probably get up to Moderate quite easily. High if you want the penthouse suite.

>>47245321
>8yo
Wouldn't that mean she was actually conceived after the Fall? That there was at least one person who looked at that blasted killbot hellscape and thought, "yes, I want to raise a child in these conditions?"

>>47275074
The other option is to give up on reproducing altogether and give in to the eventual extinction of your line.

>>47269558
WORK 8 HOURS
PLAY 12 HOURS
SLEEP 4 HOURS

>>47275074
People have children in subsaharan africa, so I don't find this at all far fetched

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>>47241376
You can't tell me what to do, /epg/

>>47276145
>A few preservationists have raised an outcry that, like their ediacaran equivalents on our homeworld, they'll be grazed out of existence byanything we introduce.

You really can't say that without discussing the local life's biochemistry and the planet's geochemistry first.

>>47276145
Damn good.

>>47276341
>but what about the biochemistry?

They're blue, they make oxygen and they'll be dead soon. Anyone who wants to know more is probably an anarchist saboteur.

-5 c-rep

>>47276884
>Hexitol-based genetic polymers? I'm sure it will be fine


>Implying I have non-zero c-rep

I'm quietly converting my current campaign to Eclipse Cthulhu campaign. The players don't know yet. What can go wrong?

>>47279663
The players leaving.

>>47279663

They escalate to meet the challenge using the full might of a post-scarcity civilization.

Ultimate players will relish the opportunity to prove their might.

>>47279663
I found the Eclipse Cthulhu setting wanting. You can just as easily fluff the ETI and some of the unknown things as Yog-Sothothery.

I don't suppose anyone would be interested in discussing alien biochemistry?

>>47282483

Dunno, what you have to say?

>>47282483
Yeah, sure. Also >>47283325

>>47279663
>>47279818
>>47280023
>>47281036
Read A Colder War

>>47275074
Probably, with ~300k people on earth, there should be some kids. It's also possible they're a well disguised neotenic, and they say their dad is wearing a one-off morph owned by the CEO of Pathfinder, who's supposedly on earth, so there's so fuckery going down.

>>47276145
Good stuff, I like the fucked up coexistence of corporal punishment and psychosurgery.

So do you guys prefer exoplanets with weird or quirky societies, exoplanets with unusual or exotic environs, or exoplanets with deep or creepy mysteries?

>>47286709
I like the environment thing better since the first is done by transhumans and the other is done by dead aliens.

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>>47286748
>I like the environment thing better since the first is done by transhumans and the other is done by dead aliens.
>dead aliens
>dead

>>47286709

Non-euclidean geometry and objects with angles greater than 360 degrees.

Anyone play the fate version? I've been running a short campaign and my players are curious about the fate rules

So has anyone else here ever had an EP sex dream, or is it just me?

STRUCTURALISTS WW@

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Presented without comment

>>47289780
>Presented without comment
Well then what do you call this?

>>47289279
You're not alone.

>>47289780
>Gravity: .87 g
>Atmosphere: 16% hydrogen

>Primary: G4V
>Orbital period: 189 days
>Surface Temperature: -3 C

None of this makes any sense

>>47290060

Your face doesn't make any sense.

>>47290206
It isn't his fault the person who designed his biomorph was a fan of Picasso.

What evil bullshit can the Exsurgent virus do to a Liquid Steel Morph?

>shape visual basilsk hacks on its surface
>wail like a banshee for audio basilisk hacks
>constantly broadcast the virus on any available mesh networks it can access
>be the central hive for a TITAN nanoswarm
>have robotic enhancements to armor the shit out of it like a TITAN warmachine
>self replicate?

>>47291684
Does she take the roboknot?

>>47292380
No idiot. She has one herself.

>>47292409
How does that disqualify her from taking one as well?

Rolled 56 (1d100)

>>47292308

>>47293368
Congrats, you have a research server on your hands. Now get past the security on it.

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How do you convince an Ultimate merc that your job is worth their time?

Rolled 83 (1d100)

>>47292308

C'mon Melder Virus!

>>47293368
>>47293459

WTF, we got the same results as last time in the same fucking order.

>>47293435

Pay the standard rate for the specified duty, long term contracts to be negotiated, likely with assistance from an Exemplar for whatever Ultimate you are hiring.

Or just kick his shin and run in the direction of the hideout where all the guys you want dead are at.

>>47293477
Shit, either we've been infected or the dice-roller has.

>>47293553

/tg/'s dice roller is notoriously weird.

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>>47293553

Definitely the roller.

>>47294469
Aren't hazers generally super Aryan?

>>47295050
>Generally

As well, fashion changes like the weather my friend.

Does Bhattacharya have a statline? If not, what should it look like?

>>47295095

His words are pearls, his attacks do not miss, he weeps at beauty and laughs at war. He dares you to surpass him.

>>47295095
>>47295174


Beyond the obvious, he more than likely has a shit ton of Knowledge, Interest, and Profession skills.

But it's not like he's a particle physics genius, most knowledge skills are likely sociology, philosophy, etc... with college level education in everything else.

Interest skills from Pre-Fall Earth, a few from AF.

Profession skills related to not just his field in combat, but business related ones as well.

>>47295219
>>47295174
>>47295095
The problem is that it's pretty hard to stat out a transhuman that's much more dangerous in a shootout than the average Eclipse Phase PC. There are certain 'optimal' build choices that basically any character can take (maximizing speed, initiative, chance to hit and damage) which put them on par stat-wise with the deadliest ultimate you could possibly create using the rules.

The way you'd really have to distinguish someone like Bhattacharya is by out-playing the players, using strategy and tactics to outsmart them and tip the odds massively in his favor at every turn.

The problem with this is that unless you yourself are genuinely a tactical genius, it's difficult to come up with something that doesn't either fall flat or just feel cheap ("oh, you found a flaw in my defenses? just according to keikaku XD")

>>47296179

Well, characters like Bhattacharya also shouldn't be constrained by say, character creation rules. They've had a long time to virtually build up RP and spend it, so such characters should easily have their maximum points in their noted skills, with proper specialization if applicable, probably some cool traits, etc.

Alternatively, since Eclipse Phase PCs are not heroes of a noble age or marked by destiny or any other number of caveats or qualifiers to PCs in many other games, the GM can just say "yeah, you don't beat Bhattacharya in a fist fight". While snowflakism is almost encouraged by the CC system, at the same time player characters in EP are not extraordinarily special, or anything. Characters like Bhattacharya are like, living legends or persons of extraordinary quality - the kinds of people PCs have to work around rather than say, duke it out with.

>>47296288
>just tell your players they lose because the BBEG is ~~special~~

Cancer

>>47297343
>the PCs are special snowflakes who can't be told no
Are you that neighbor with the shitty kids?

>>47298191
>NPC is a transhuman not a TITAN or ETI horror
>Can win against players by fiat not game mechanics

Being able to use the game rules to take on skilled opponents isn't snow flaking it's playing the fucking game

>>47296288
>the GM can just say "yeah, you don't beat Bhattacharya in a fist fight".

At which point the players can go 'Yeah, you don't get to run games any more'.

Telling players 'No, you just lose' when fighting a guy who is skilled and upgraded but not some supernatural fucker is kinda bullshit.

>>47298921
Bhattacharya isn't some gang kingpin, or even some hypercorp CEO. He's arguably supposed to be the single most lethal person in the setting, and the PCs killing him basically makes the entire ultimates organization pointless.

It dismantles an entire section of the lore. It would be like someone out hacking a TITAN.

Something tells me that the New Phyrexia might fit into this setting perfectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7ixdHQj3O4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdDXMG9jvwg

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>>47241376
>My Girlfriend is an Exhuman Seed AI Sleeved in a Habitat Edition

Nevermore has there been a sentence so elegantly epitomise what I dislike in a fandom.

Still i'll let it slide for the psyche gangster squids.

Bluewood fucking sucks
>He says, standing in the middle of a forest on Bluewood.

>>47298944
>>47297343
>>47298921

Except it makes perfect sense. Eclipse Phase characters are not inherently special in any way. Well, maybe an Async but that has it's downsides. Normally you're just slightly exceptionally talented people, in a conspiracy full of similar talent levels. It's like you telling me "yeah, I could fight Bruce Lee or Genghis Khan". Bhattacharya is an established mover and shaker in history.

He's not someone a group of guys should be in a position to engage in personal combat, nor should they win. If he's your main antagonist, that's clearly a whole plot built on beating him other than trying to shoot him. And personally, I think it's perfectly okay for the GM to tell you up front "you wouldn't win" if you wouldn't. Do you guys cry and whine at you GM when he says "if you just try and rob the bank you will get shot and arrested?". And if he really wants the GM can snow you just as easily with the mechanics.

>>47302063
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>Except it makes perfect sense. Eclipse Phase characters are not inherently special in any way

They have Moxie.

Anyone with Moxie is special, or equal in their access to being special people.

>>47302150

You know almost everyone has access to Moxie, right? Like, you go into the NPC file and I'm pretty sure all transhumans have like, at least a point. Bhattacharya probably has like, 10 or whatever the max is.

>>47302205
>almost everyone has access to Moxie
>almost everyone

Wrong, only special NPC's have Moxie, Bhattacharya no doubt one of them.

Your PC's are just as important to the setting.

>>47296179
Too bad you yourself are not genuinely a tactical genius, with all that information about every single conflict in history available on the internet and tabletop wargames available at your nearest game store.

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>>47302241
>Wrong, only special NPC's have Moxie

No, you're abjectly wrong. You want me to start screencapping NPC file? Because unless there was an errata I missed which removed that box, there's a MOX stat next to every NPCs WIL score, and everybody has at least 1 in that box. It's only inhuman monsters like Exhumans, Exsurgents and TITAN machines which lack Moxie (also, I suppose ALI).

The stat-line for immortal oligarch has 6!

>>47302241
No, they're important to the game. There's an enormous difference.

>>47302353
>>47302360

Read the GM section, page 386, red box titled "NPC's AND MOXIE"

All those NPC statlines with moxie are ignored if they're mooks. Only important NPC's have Moxie.

>>47302468
The PCs are important to the game, not the setting. There's an enormous difference.

What kind of information one would share on his social profile in social networks aside from usual "name-photo-contacts"? Particularly Guanxi and Circle-A List?

>>47302610

Probably at the very least, similar to a job application form. If they're XPer's their profile would update constantly like a youtube channel.

Various bits of info is likely to be redacted and not shared, like your real name, date of birth, and location.

>>47302610
Your sexual preferences and current configuration, for sure, at least if you're open to starting a relationship or are dtf. Since a morph's sex can be changed in 24 hours or less, your morph's sex doesn't matter all that much. The only things that matter are what you like and what you're willing to be. If they are or are willing to be whatever sex(es) you are attracted to and you are or are willing to be whatever sex(es) you are attracted to, then you can pursue the physical aspect of a relationship.

>>47302771
Of course, if you're trying to redact known information, there's someone else who's trying to provide that information against your wishes, whether for profit or for some misguided sense that privacy is bad or that information (of some type) shouldn't be hidden.

What happens when the attacker and the defender both roll critical successes in combat, on their to-hit roll and Fray, respectively?

>>47303126

Whoever has the higher dice roll wins, critically.

It's why you want to roll as close to the top of your skill as possible in opposed rolls.

>>47302063
It doesn't matter if the players are special or not. Combat in Eclipse Phase isn't adjudicated based on which character is more important. It's adjudicated based on the rules for combat described in the corebook.

If you decide that your players lose a battle just because the person they're fighting is important to the setting you should tell them to go home right there, because it's obvious you aren't interested in actually running a game.

>>47293435
sleepers plz go

>>47303126
>>47303232
What happens when multiple people spend Moxie to try and go first? Do they have to outbid one another?

>>47303479
They roll initiative among themselves and still go before those who didn't spend Moxie.

>>47299650
>the PCs killing him basically makes the entire ultimates organization pointless.

The Ultimates already are pointless. They're an evolutionary dead end, we've seen the future and it certainly isn't transhumanity. During the fall the TITANs killed 90 percent of the Ultimates, and the Ultimates killed approximately zero percent of the TITANs. Anyone who really cares about expanding their mind, learning new skills or becoming the deadliest soldier in the universe needs to become a Seed AI, not join a stupid cult. The label "Ultimate" shouldn't belong to a bunch of uppity fetishists, it should belong to the true heirs to the transhuman mantle.

>>47303391
I bet you could make a fortune as a rules lawyer on Extropia.

>Project Ozma

How do you prefer them to be treated in your games?

>>47303391
What if I just make him so stuff the players have a mathematically astronomical chance of beating him?

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>>47303562
I'm definitely using that as dialogue from an exhuman

>>47302063
1) People could probably fight and kill Genghis Khan and kill him he was just a guy. A famous and skilled guy but still.

2)Why should you take the Ultimates insane hero worship at face value? Just because the people who drank the kool aid are very skilled doesn't mean their leader is literally larger than life

3) your whole point is that the PC's aren't exceptional. They will likely become exceptional over the course of a campaign because they are doing shit that saves humanity. And even if they aren't, why is being famous/exceptional for a person mean he's unbeatable? He's still a man, no matter how "ultimate" he's become. TITANS sure that's beyond understanding, but he's not some cosmic horror he should still play by the normal rules of the game.


tl;dr if having that dude take on your players can't be handled well in game without " DURR he wins" maybe he shouldn't appear in your game

>>47303968
As much as there is likely hero worship going on, the Ultimate's did have the best track record of any transhuman against the TITANs during the Fall. Bhattacharya fought in some of the worst and most horrific battles and survived, even won some. Sure, they're not posthuman Seed AIs that could actually win, but as far as human shaped beings go they're the best there is.

>>47303562

Ultimates will preserve transhumanity far into the future till the last one drops.

It's easy to go Exhuman, but to excell as a human, to be the best human you can be, in spite of godlike technological horrors, is what it means to be Ultimate.

>>47303968

>tl;dr if having that dude take on your players can't be handled well in game without " DURR he wins" maybe he shouldn't appear in your game

Which is kind of the point, I think. Unless you're running some kind of Ultimates which has the goal to surpass him, Manu probably shouldn't appear (except maybe, like on TV) in a game in person.

Fighting Bhattacharya 1-v-1 is probably not something a PC should succeed at doing. Gang up on him maybe if you're all combat badasses, but the leader of a polity would not often be in a situation where 3-6 random Firewall scrubs get him alone.

You familiar with the phrase "if you stat it, they will fight it"? Well, that's my logic here. If you give him hard numbers, that implies that you can just throw dice at him until he's done, which I don't think properly encapsulates his position in the universe. I mean, you can roll out the dice if you really want, but it's way simpler to say "you're not going to accomplish that like this, and I really don't want to waste hours for the dice to tell me something I already know". Fighting Bhattacharya is like wrapping the difficulty of assassinating the president with fighting like, the world MMA champion or something.

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>>47304337
Bruce was the first true Ultimate.

>>47304337
>Ultimates will preserve transhumanity far into the future till the last one drops.
So for another couple years until the TITANs come back.

>but to excell as a human, to be the best human you can be, in spite of godlike technological horrors, is what it means to be Ultimate.
Your ambition is to be the strongest retard in the kiddie pool

>>47304132
The best track record of any transhuman against the TITANs is analogous to the best track record of an anthill against a thunderstorm

>>47304554
>TITANs
>Coming back

Whatever keeps you up at night man. If they wanted us dead, we would already be dead. So that means one of three things. They're dead, they no longer want us dead, or we are dead. Take your pick.

>>47304554

>Your ambition is to be the strongest retard in the kiddie pool

You show a predictable lack of faith in humanity, something Exhumans are prone to do.

Underestimate them at your peril.

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>>47304702
As much as I like the Ultimates, you're always going to hit a ceiling being a transhuman rather than a posthuman. Always push yourself, sure, but there is always a need to upgrade the hardware now and then.

Pushing your body to the limit doesn't mean much if what you're fighting has exponentially more thinking power than you. You're gonna get out foxed and out gunned at every turn.

One must combine the two ideals to get the best possible outcome.

>>47304337
>to excell as a human, to be the best human you can be, in spite of godlike technological horrors, is what it means to be Ultimate.
This is otherwise known as sucking on purpose

>>47302063
>It's like you telling me "yeah, I could fight Bruce Lee or Genghis Khan".
Bruce Lee said himself that he'd lose a fight against a man with a gun. The difficulty is getting face to face, but if you can do that they're as mortal as anyone else.

>>47304621
>Silly citizen, the TITANs aren't coming back!

Consortium shills belong on >>>r/neoliberalism

>>47304702
I show lack of faith in a species that ate shit during the Fall. If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was that rule?

>>47304433
Oh yeah for sure prevent that situation as much as can, but if it comes down to it and the players have made it happen I'm a guy who will give anyone and anything numbers, because otherwise I'm kind of railroading my players. It's a philosophic difference for sure so I can understand avoiding it but ultimately when it comes down to rolling the dice that's kind of the point of tabletop. Just don't advertise him and he probably won't ever come up

>>47304899
A fist fight was specified, and I bet Bhattacharya carries

>>47305102
Railroading means limiting decisions, not deciding outcomes

So I'll be running Eclipse Phase for a group of people completely new to the setting, and who aren't terribly familiar with sci-fi RPGs, being used to fantasy d20. The interest is there though.

I plan on having the premise of the game be simple and very Shadowrun-esque: they're freelancers on Mars who work for people with the right amount of cred. They take jobs that are simple in premise, no bizarre transhuman stuff; those are stuff I introduce slowly and gradually.

You guys have some plot hooks I can use for a group of Martian notShadowrunners?

>>47306095
A job goes south in a way that causes them to collide with Firewall. Cosmic horror ensues.

>>47306095

Mars has roads and trains, and I think trucks and maglev cars both have stats, to highway and train robberies (and vice versa) are applicable.

Lot of shady office parks and corp buildings in various Martian cities, good for a smash and grab, a hideout or a dead drop.

Nomads and Rednecks are a great thing when you're in the outback, draw on cultures from North Africa, Middle East and Central Asia there. And remember that Smart Horses and Smart Camels are things.

The Elevator is great for certain "closed circle" ideas, it takes time but has its merits. And Mars has a lot of academic institutions which could be interesting.

One thing I think Sunward does perfectly is description of major Martian Cities, so brush up on that because there's a decent amount of material on the neighborhoods, subcultures and clades in those cities. All kinds of interesting things can be gleaned from the bridges in Noctis, the different domes in VNS or in the divides between locales in Elysium.

And y'know, when you want shit to get freaky, there's always the TQZ and the Arsia Mons smugglers, and the Martian Gate. Pathfinder City is described as space vegas.

>>47306170
I'm definitely going to introduce the exsurgent virus at some point, probably somewhere near the end (game's only supposed to last a month or two) after it's been built up. I might end up using the Glory adventure as a climax, not sure yet.

>>47306355

It's not written for it, but you might also adjust Million Year Echo, since Glory is set quite some distance away from Mars proper and primarily centered around Locus, which would probably throw some freelance troubleshooters for a loop.

>>47306282
>The Elevator is great for certain "closed circle" ideas
What?

>>47306408

Familiar with the concept of "closed circle" in fiction? Like "snowed in a cabin"?

The space elevator is like an... 6 hour trip? Or something. During which you have limited mesh access and probably had to check your guns, but are otherwise free to move around. The elevator "car" even has a bar in it. But it's also relatively cheap.

>>47306407

Million Year Echo is another good candidate. If I used Glory I'd probably just locate everything plot relevant closer to Mars, either in the Main Belt or the Martian Trojans.

>>47306442
Why would mesh access be limited?

>>47306983

I'd have to double check the description, but I think it states that for security purposes the elevator is shielded and so the passenger compartments are like, limited access. I'm distinctly remembering the line "download something to read first" in there somewhere.

>>47307029
Couldn't they just air gap the control electronics?

>>47307355
>they pipe in pre-Fall music transposed to piano
It's a basilisk hack that makes you want to kill yourself

>>47307986

Air-gaps typically involve vacuum environments IIRC.

>>47307355
It's also for passenger security.
Typically, your mesh inserts and equipment are checked for illegal data before entering the elevator. The problem being that it's hard to not provide mesh access. Hidden transceivers, the elevator's own communications equipment, even just a series of nodes along the stalk. Hell, your mesh inserts have a range of 20 klicks in open areas, and the stalk needs sensors along its length to report on any structural issues. Those need to communicate without adding even more weight from physical wires capable of handling the transmissions, so a chain gang of transceivers is there. And any meshed system can be hacked.
Also, passengers want their comforts, and that includes mesh access. Look at how short of a time it took for the FAA to allow WiFi and Airplane mode during flights. It was fast in government time.
Airgapped control electronics? yeah. But they're just one part of a complex electronic network that reports on every aspect of the cab. And that's a vulnerability. Even with physical wires, I could download malware using the cabs mesh access, pop a panel and insert a data jack into a maintenance test port. Or solder a connection to some piece of equipment. Bam, payload delivered. Only real way to protect against that is to decrease efficiency by almost a factor of ten because every system is airgapped, they have to examine all the data for malware, and then physically transfer any needed data to another system.
Or they could check me for malware, and perform heavy monitoring on all mesh traffic, and that's easy to throttle. People expect some inconvenience while travelling, just not much.

>>47308063
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_gap_(networking)

>>47308142
Smuggling in software is going to be way easier than getting access to an air gapped control system that isn't in the passenger cabin. There's no such thing as a data sensor. And let's not forget that synthmorphs are not banned from riding the elevator.

Interesting uses of equipment.


Armslides could be used to automatically reload your larger weapons.

Smart Anchors can be used to "spiderman" your away around, and also move you while prone.

>>47308329
A simple vibroknife can cut through thick bulkheads

>>47308642
I can cut through an ingot with a plastic comb

>>47308670
Is that supposed to mean something?

>>47308642
>>47308670
My dick can cut through your mom's ass

>>47311432
You should probably get that checked out

Would you yourself and yourself and yourself?

>>47311525
Yes

>>47311525
No.

>>47312561
http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/464e8b536e1c7
Fuck posting this makes me feel old

>>47308329
You can put skinlinks on small bots like specks to make them mobile grey boxes.

Program prothean nanoswarms to manufacture prothean nanoswarms for a pocket WMD.

>>47312940
The Promethean nanoswarms are the easy part of the WMD. The hard part is collecting enough weapons-grade fissile material.

My biggest problem with Titan is that its got to be damn near fucking impossible to get it on in microgravity.

You're basically surrounded by hot blonde swedish porn star/post doctorate graduates women on the most sexually liberal and tolerant society in the entire solar system and you're stuck fucking in 0 G

>>47313973
Sleeve in a synthetic morph and use magnets

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>>47314235

>>47311525
Only if myself can also come.

How do I guarantee that I don't get infected, even after I'm dead?

>>47315427
Use two condoms.

>>47313973
0.14g, actually.

>>47315451
One for each hole?

>>47315544
One for each dick.

>>47313973
>tolerant society

It's full of narcissistic snowflakes who go nuclear on anyone's Rep if you don't use their preferred made up pronoun.

>>47313973
Fab some bungie cords. Instant high gravity bed.

>>47315744
[citation needed]

>>47315744
>Damn liburuls!!

Hope those chemotherapy drugs are helping mi amigo Joviano

>>47246723
Infamy, assuming you spin it right to the right circles.

>>47316633
Hope that Xiamao is using protection so you won't pass on your SRXI? Oh, wait. That's probably your fetish, you sick fuck.

>>47317167
Nah I'm just fapping and voting on the Plurality at the same time enjoying my 4 hour work week

>>47295174
But can he poo in the loo?

What kind of combat vehicles would be used on Mars? Or is it all about sleeving into murder-morphs now?

>>47317625
>4 hour work week
That's An-Com. Titanian work week is 6 hours of work four days a week.

>>47318012
>only 24 hour work week

Goddamn I'd wish for Eclipse Phase but I know I'd be one of countless people who die horribly in the Fall

>>47318160
And then you'd be rescued and indentured. A lifetime of sucking dick 24/7 awaits.

>>47318271
8/5, actually.

>>47318726
Depends on where you sign up and how they'll screw you over.

>>47312961
When did I talk about fissile grade material? I'm talking about grey-gooing a Hab with growing swarms.

>>47317971
Not a lot going on with combat vehicles, the cities are built up enough that anything larger than a Reaper or Battlesuit is cumbersome, and no one is fighting over the (largely) empty wastes between them.

There's probably some uparmored and armed maker nomad vehicles, and there might be some old tanks and such sitting around places like Olympus or Noctis-Qianjiao if the TQZ goes hot.

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>>47318922
Oh. Well that's not really going to be a WMD. Promethean nanoswarms need to get energy from somewhere and it's a simple enough matter to shut off the power while you go around and destroy it all. It will certainly be a big hassle and could do a lot of damage before appropriate countermeasures are taken, but I wouldn't call it a WMD.

I'm also not convinced that promethean nanoswarms can produce nanohives.

>>47318995
What, are the streets only 2 meters wide?

>>47320794

>What, are the streets only 2 meters wide?

There are several neighborhoods in Martian cities where even Ground Cars can't get around well, and those things are described as like, those japanese or european 2-man smart cars.

Foot (and parkour), bikes or air car (including taxi services) are most common.

>>47320967
Is that because they're overcrowded or are the streets too narrow to fit a smart car? Armored vehicles not designed for routine police use need not worry about such things as two-way streets or people being in the way.

>>47321474

Column A, Column B. Even if you can physically fit in the streets, I'm pretty sure most neighborhoods are tightly packed enough it's going to really kill maneuverability unless you're literally going to smash through buildings.

>>47321551
That's a great argument for a reversible control scheme. If driving backwards is easy enough there's no need to turn around.

>>47318012
where'd you get that?

>>47318271

I bet you Hypercapitalism would be more horribly efficient and less decadent. If you want to suck dick all day, you escape to the Scum Fleet where people are free to do what they truly desire. In the Inner System they probably just make brain-crippled AGI's to suck people's dicks and all the infugees are stuck doing menial labor.

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how do you tend to imagine the spaceships in eclipse phase? I'm stuck between utilitarian, semi realistic rockets and more stylized, advanced looking vehicles.

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>>47322759
why do that when you can have bimbofied infugees at do it at a fraction of the cost? Sure, you could use AGI, but proles don't like those and they really do cost more, and using human egos lets you pretend to be magnanimous in political debates.

>>47322817
My brain refuses to stop envisioning the classic 'ocean liner in space' no matter how much I tell it that's stupid.

>>47320794
DESU a lot of modern WMDs aren't a huge deal in EP. Medichines stop most chemical and biological weapons, so only nuclear has maintained it's lethality. A self replicating prothean swarm more dangerous than releasing VX for example, because of how much infrastructure it can eat before it's caught and stopped.

I don't see why they couldn't produce more nanohives, but the rules aren't clear there.

>>47321474
It's worth noting that outside of Olympus, most police forces use security flying cars, so the super crowded streets aren't as much of a problem for law enforcement. In a war though, I think those small built up areas would be extremely dangerous to take a vehicle above or through.

>>47322353
I wish the Fenrir was good. It wouldn't be super hard to fix it though.

>>47322980
And infugees would have actual real-world experience whereas an AGI would probably fumble around.

>>47323275

Licensing out copies of AGI codelines specifically for fucking also has to be a huge pain in the ass - since I doubt dollhouses, gentlemen's clubs and whatever are run by the same corps who design specialized AGI templates. Indentures are cheap and plentiful on their own.

>>47322444
Firewall in the New Traits section. Civilian Analyst mentions working at least 6/4 for Titanians and 8/5 for the listed Inner System polities.

>>47323303
And you'd might get lucky and get an infugee or two who just open up to the idea of being a prostitute.

Now I'm thinking of one of those brothel management games, but set in Eclipse Phase.

>>47323257
There are the more lethal versions of modern Bio-chemical weapons. I think BTX2 only has a disadvantage against medichines, but can still be lethal.

>>47323490

>Now I'm thinking of one of those brothel management games, but set in Eclipse Phase.

Fund it

>>47322817
Realistic

>>47323257
>only nuclear has maintained it's lethality
Hence my question of where the fissiles would come from

>because of how much infrastructure it can eat before it's caught and stopped.

It's not going to eat that much. They work pretty slowly.

Prometheans might not be able to organize matter finely enough at the required scale to produce more nanomachinery. Self-replicating nanoswarms definitely aren't a non-TITAN thing in EP, and this seems to be the most likely explanation for that.

>I think those small built up areas would be extremely dangerous to take a vehicle above or through

Is taking a vehicle in any more dangerous than going in on foot? It's also quite conceivable that vehicles wouldn't be used in the most constricted areas. This would be a long way from making them useless though.

>>47323671

While the notes on Protean swarms aren't that specific, they're similar to Fabbers in that they produce only a singular item when programmed, and it technically says they need to be "pre-programmed".

They also need raw materials in the environs to work, and take an hour per cost level. So it would take them 5 hours on their own to assemble a Generalized Hive, which is about a foot on each side. This hive then in turn is basically just a specialized fabricator for nanoswarms which also maintains them, so you have another dump of fab time on that.

Generalized hives would be much cheaper and quicker, but would limit your breadth, I suppose you could try and grey goo by making Protean Hives which make swarms which makes more Protean Hives but that would be a slight inconvenience, especially since something like a space elevator probably guards important components with bug zappers.

You could get a TITAN Fabricator Swarm, which has all the functions of a Self-Replicating Swarm but only eats "high entropy" items, but that is it's own risk.

>>47323257
>>I wish the Fenrir was good. It wouldn't be super hard to fix it though.

Max it's durability for a "large" morph.

The thing is really a vehicle, not a morph since it packs multiple egos inside, and yet I could get a better "Fenrir" if I just took the Security model of the Flying Car and suped it up, same size too.

>>47323404
thats not really a good frame of reference.

Somebody who is working for an intelligence agency is likely going to spend more time at work than you average vat scrubber.

It doesn't seem all that unlikely that a CIA analyst would have a 70 hour work work week, especially if they are in a management position, are new, or there is a crisis.

Even nuclear weapons are considerably less powerful in space. Without an atmosphere to carry the kinetic impact and act as reaction mass, a nuke is basically a spitball in vacuum.

>>47323303
>>47323490

Ghost in the Shell: Innocence was all up in this development.

Essentially making Delta/Beta forks of children for their prostitutes.

>>47324687

Probably highly automated with AI's and prediction programs, where the employee is more like those guys who checks in whenever the server is acting up, or he needs to give his signature off on documents, etc...

>>47324724

Unless you turn them into shaped charges, then they become high energy "beam" weapons with a few kilometers in range.

Very awesome lightsaber/blowtorches.

>>47325214
How /do/ you make a shaped-charge nuke?

>>47324687
>It doesn't seem all that unlikely that a CIA analyst would have a 70 hour work work week, especially if they are in a management position, are new, or there is a crisis.

i was merely using this as a modern reference.

Do we need to have the Casaba Howitzer article up in the OP now?

>>47325363

>How /do/ you make a shaped-charge nuke?

Similar to how you make an Orion drive, just narrow it so the exiting fissile material comes out as a metallic plasma jet, hotter than the sun's core.

Picture it as a smaller wave motion gun, except it's kicked out of the ship on a rocket far away from the ship before it "fires".

https://youtu.be/vV0x4XHdbyc?t=160

Your character is tasked with designing a child's toy. What does what they create say about them?

>>47325676

A stuffed cowboy octopus with guns in each tentacle.

The guns look remarkably similar to Direct Action A30 SMG's with extended clips and underbarrel Seeker Launchers. :3

>>47325676
A ball they can roll around which sticks to objects like a katamari, either by magnetism or some other form of adhesion.

It says she has no clue what children want or how to engineer anything.

>>47323671
>where do you get fissiles
With the way particle beam bolters are written, you just need one of those and some high-Z foil to get spalling neutrons. Dunno if that could be nig-rigged into a fusion bomb.

>>47325737
>extended clips
Does that make it an automatic?

>>47326017

SMG's already are fully automatic, Direction Action A30 SMG's remove the burst fire, but in exchange have more ammo in the standard clip for more Full Auto fire.

>>47326048
It's from a meme.

>>47324687
>It doesn't seem all that unlikely that a CIA analyst would have a 70 hour work work week, especially if they are in a management position, are new, or there is a crisis.
This is for both levels, so non-management, and those other things are terrible assumptions. This is a bog-standard work week. "The character is actively employed there and is expected to put in at least 6 hours of work four days a week (if Titanian) or 8 hours a day five days a week (if Jovian, Venusian, Lunar, or Martian)." Stop wanking to the idea of working 4 hours a week while being protected by Janteloven.

>>47322980
>bimbofied
What the fuck is that supposed to mean in EP? Reducing COG and INT would make them worse at their jobs. If you want to minmax for prostitution, you could do something like boost SAV and reduce WIL/REF/COO, add a level of Striking Looks or Limber, and add on Moderate Addiction (Sex) to balance the CP out. Is that bimbofied enough? I'm sure there are plenty of stupid infugees out there if that's really what you're going for.

>>47324724
Unless they go off close enough that you get vaporized

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>>47325363

So, what should our next edition be?

>>47328840
Prostitute edition.

>>47328840
Galactic Thermonuclear War?

>>47325676
Spaceballs: the plasma rifle.

>>47325676
its a chrome spaceship with child friendly interface, and it says he's too rich to know why this isn't a good children's toy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw4WAhyi1uY

>>47330570
kek. Plasma sword would be more thematic, though.

>>47328840
Crime edition. Let's talk about how to outsmart the panopticon and what's worth stealing in a post-scarcity society

>>47247229
I don't really see eclipse phase as cyberpunk, so not sure if it's a good reference point for you.
I wrote a pice of cyberpunk erotica a while back, if you want I could provide you with a link to that (shameless self-promotion, I know).