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>>46935461
That's the reason I'm leaning away from Occultist for this new character.

I love the idea, but the execution doesnt work for me.

I want to marry an Astamoi.

Reposting a question from last thread.

Can Green Faith Initiate and Treesinger stack? Both affect Wild Shape, but one just takes away uses while the other replaces the function.

>>46935474
>spoiler

Wonder exactly how that happened, considering the family's bred-true Witchwolf Skinwalkers.

>>46935474
Shit OP and shit question

>>46935651
I concur.

>>46935651
>acting surprised at lolispam

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are unaware of the past few cycles of this.

>>46935524
Same answer that has been given for all of these:
That is a cunt move, and if you do it, the gm should throw a book at you.
Technically, since all archetypes are applied at once, and not one at a time or in layers, no, because you can't modify something that doesn't exist anymore.

>>46935687
I know it would be bad for something like replacing all your rogue talents, but this isn't really the same.

With these archetypes, the ability isn't outright replaced, but changed such that the new ability "replaces, and otherwise functions like, the normal Druid Wild Shape ability." I wasn't sure if this clause made a difference in that you don't actually lose the class feature.

>>46935742
You can't apply archetypes that change or modify the same feature.
One modifies it into something that is different than the other does.

Oops, posted in the old thread.
>>46935766
Any thoughts would be appreciated. This is the first time I've ever mucked with monsters.

>>46935804
Does that apply even when one just changes the function and the other limits use given the clause I gave above?

>>46935828
By RAW it does, but as always you can talk to your GM and point out the conflict isn't quite total

>>46935828
It doesn't say "Well, it's ok if it only changes it a LITTLE bit".
It's there to avoid edge cases like this.

>>46935845
>>46935848
In this case I am the GM. I just don't want to be unfair to the players while I design a BBEG (BBNG?). Green Faith Initiate actually doesn't add much mechanically in this case; it's mainly there for flavor.

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Baneposting discipline when?

>>46935848
Accidentally hit submit before I replied to you. I'll probably keep it at just Treesinger knowing this isn't kosher.

>>46935895
Metal Underpants Mask Bane is shit, Roid Rage Mexican Wrestler is superior.

>>46935474
>Spoiler
It's a tiefling, obviously someone has some bad genes and must be purged.

Whats a decent encounter/npc generator? I have a membership with Dinglesgames but it seems to always be down from ddos these days. Im looking for alternatives

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>>46935474
I'm pretty certain Succubi can't get pregnant from scissoring

>>46935524
No. Two archetypes that affect the same feature never stack.

Has anyone used anything from Arcforge? I've been thinking about adding mechs to my campaign, maybe they'd help the all-martial party stay relevant past the early levels (they've refused to look at PoW).

>>46936621
I know many ways to leave a little souvenir inside them, but same here. Scissoring *is* however a highly effective form of foreplay, as it means we have two girls in our bed this time.

>>46935894
>I am the GM

Then it stacks if you want it to stack.

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>>46936621
>I'm pretty certain Succubi can't get pregnant from scissoring
Anon, do you even magic?

>>46935894
When you're a DM designing NPC's, everything stacks as long as you like it.

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Don't hide it from me, /pfg/
Tell me about that time your DM/Players stumbled into your magical realm

>>46937373
They haven't come near the Drow/Vampire lands, we're good

>>46937373
Bizarre outsiders showed up that copied items flawlessly by turning into them. BBEG got a bunch on their side through vague promises, got a bunch of holy relics that acted as keys without actually having to steal them. Later recruited a bunch of them for our own to copynsteal her ward keys, double up awesome weapons etc. etc.
"Plan: Gack The Squishy Researcher Wizard In An AM Field" went awry when we found out all of her clothing, jewelry, and one of her limbs were a bunch of the things.

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>>46935895
I liked baneposting witches/black mages.

>*squeaky voice* "nobody cared who I was until I put on the hat"
>"If I took it off would you die"
>*squeaky voice* "It would be excruciating"

>>46937373
We discovered the DM had a 4-armed amazoness fetish after he sent a tribe of them at us and had 2 of them grapple the wizard.

>>46937373
Well my magical realm is basically treating women like living objects. Things to be aesthetically pleasing to me, or fulfill some unusual function. Eg; I have a sorceress who permanently has her hands bound and she remains gagged except for when I desire her to cast a spell. I have another spellcaster that I use as a human hookah - I stuff her mouth full of some form of ignited narcotic, light it, she uses her magic to force the drug through her body, whereupon I suck it out of her ass and blow it back into her face. It's an incredibly complex sexual fantasy

basically it's slavery++ with emphasis on chastity and owning a person's body and soul, but not their mind.

It's kind of hard for someone to 'stumble upon' it.

>>46937373
We all knew our DM was a furry and we were cool with it.
What we never expected was that he also had a coprophagia + forced bondage + furry fetish.

Session ended early. On account of us laughing for a good 2 hours derailing the game and everyone drinking copious amounts of booze to forget that reveal. He's forever DM, so we're kinda screwed.

>>46937678
Ew

>>46937373
My players killed a mimic and the rogue decided to hide in the mouth of a dead mimic to hide from the BBEG, who came to investigate the noises coming from his treasure room

The mimic wasn't totally dead and was still at negative HP. It was trying to shove the rogue out of its mouth with its tongue

I made the rogue roll a will save not to make a noise as the tongue slathered all over her half-naked body

>>46937691
She's wearing a ring of sustenance and I never feed her so it's hygenic. I mean it's my magical realm so I don't have to address all the potentially unpleasant real life stuff.


If nothing else I can always cast prestidigitation.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/p/prestidigitation

two rounds to ensure a clean ass eating surface, and flavor whatever lube I put on her butthole as I munch it out

>>46937373
I pretty much ERP'ed with the DM when romancing an NPC.
He was actually okay with that. Lewd.

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>>46936811
It's still "in the works", so the rules change a bit every few weeks. Currently the main thing mechs bring to the table is a handful of mobility/defensive boosts that yeah, an all-martial can sorely need.

Mechs offer:
>Some Armor. No starting with full plate for you, but it *actually* quite well: By 16th a biped has +10 Armor AC (and +4 shield AC or a +3 to existing shield!) with no max dex or ACP
>Stat boosts: Mechs have inherent light STR/DEX increases, and scale an enhancement bonus too (you just need CON instead of the triple belt)
>Size changes: some people does like being the large or huge... but if you don't want it you can get +2 base Dex and +10 mech HP instead.
>Hardness: You get some growing hardness values AND the energy-damage halving that comes with it. That's actually fucking nice
>Additional HP you split damage with; *generally* speaking after 3rd level or so you will be alive though bloody by the time your power-armor is destroyed

Other things come from the enhancements you select as the mech gains levels; thrusters for flight (or improving existing), additional weapon slots, count your weapons as bigger, eventually even immunities and shit.

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>>46937373
In general it's pretty hard to stumble into my magical realm as of late without the game being magical realm as it is.

Lathering women up in oil, exhibitionism based off of confidence or pride rather than humiliation, and I know neither are super extreme.

>>46937373
It can't be helped, I like femdom, two of my players are drow women, it was already too late. I will take my secret to the fucking grave though since the group is majority female and that would be creepy as shit to reveal.

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>>46937774
But anon
They already know you're into femdom
Which is why they went the trouble of rolling Drows

>>46937743
Fake! Dicks don't work bend that way when you get a stiffy.

Minor break in the Magical Realm talk, but what are some quality Vampires to look up as inspirational material for making a Dhampir PC? Doesn't matter anime, comics, film, video games, I got all the time in the world so throw your best at me.

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>>46937812

>>46937812
What specifically do you want your dhampir to be/do. Because the 'quintessential' dhampi is D from vampire hunter D.

>>46937812
Vampire Hunter D, is a great way to roll a Dhampir.

>>46937824
>>46937829
>Dmind

>>46937812
>Dhampir
>Not magical realm
Pick one, anon.

>>46937829
Vampire Hunter D was my first exposure to the 'half vampire' thing, and I honestly still think Dunpeal sounds better than Dhampir.

>>46937797
post tamamo thighs included

>>46937828
Seriously leaning towards either Bard or Sorcerer. Effectively being the face of the party as the people I tend to play with don't do well at being the face outside of 'throw diplomacy at it and maybe it will go away' which has led me to being the socialite and banker, which I don't personally mind but figure I should try to work with to make it easier on my group.

>>46937824
>>46937829
I'll take a look, at the very least the style is interesting.

>>46937812
>>46937828
I also really enjoyed Jander Sunstar of Ravenloft.

Sun elf vampire who stays good alignment, worshipped Lathander Morninglord god of the sun- was often compared to his god in terms of appearance, got dragged into plane of dread due to a stupid curse he made. Is forced to teach another vampire how to be a vampire there, ends up having a cult that thinks he *is* lathander but because everything in the plane of dread is at least a little evil even lathander is a little evil (which is why he feeds on the innocent but spares others).

before being whisked away to the plane of dread, he broke free of his evil master and killed him, he asked a former friend to help him find a 'cure' and grew enraged when she said there was none - causing her to brandish lathanders symbol on him... which made him *real* mad because she "MOCKS HIS PAIN". He wont commit suicide for fear of turning into a vampiric red mist.

He once got chased by a vampire hunter because she thought he was feeding on prostitutes/barmaids...he was teaching them to read and he still tried to save the vampire hunters life.

Is a general all around gud guy.

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>>46937879
>Being a casterfag

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>>46937879
>post tamamo thighs

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>>46937897
>posting whore of babylon

>>46937887
If bard, read the ravenloft book concerning Jander.

If sorcerer... I dunno, maybe new Lords of Shadows games? Particularly Gabriel where Gabriel Belmont is turned into dracula and uses the inherent magic and evil in his cursed blood to create constructs and generally be badass

[spoiler[He had a whole animated castle filled with his blood from centuries of unlife

Alucard from the same series is also okay.

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>>46937913
Go to bed Gaiwan

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>>46937946
Certainly not on yours, wench

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>>46937957
How's that getting your ass kicked in my route thing going for you?

Fuck these captchas tonight

>>46937837
He wanted the Vampire Hunter D whether he knew it or not.

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>No one posting best servant yet

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>>46937907
>>46937897
>>46937913
>>46937946
>>46937957
>>46937984
Uh...huh.

I need some help making my party's wizard feel more useful. Whenever I throw combat at them he seems to be mostly hiding or firing crossbows after the initial round of buff spells.
The party is a cleric, druid with a brachiosaurus, and the wizard.
I've never played a wizard so I'm not sure which spells will help him feel more useful. The group is level 3.

>>46938020
Tell the wizard to get gud.

Wizards are tier 1 gods.

>>46938020
Try preparing some damage spells.
How is it that you need to be told this.

>>46938025
So I've heard. The only level two spell he took was create pit, but then in their last combat he never used it.

>>46938020
>I need some help making my party's wizard feel more useful

Am I being baited?

>>46938030
Not my character, and from what I've seen of the spell list there doesn't seem like much in the way of damage at low levels. Mostly d3 damage kind of stuff.
Would color spray be a good spell for him to prep?

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>>46937984
>No one posting best servant yet
You're right. Lets fix that.

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DSP around? I have a question regarding PsyArms.

If I took the Beaming enchantment using Personalized Trick trait, could I potentially have 50(d8) orbs of searing light surrounding on my character?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-weapons/magic-weapon-special-abilities/beaming

I want to be a beamspamming mahou shoujo!

>>46938070
They're very new players, probably only seven sessions since we started the campaign. He took universalist for his school, which doesn't seem to be a great option.

>>46937889
>>46937924
Thanks for the help! Now I have plenty to look into.

>>46938111
Probably it would appear that nothing is stopping you from doing this. However, you can only expend one beam per attack or full-attack, even if it's a free action, so it would appear that you can't "beamspam" all in one round.

>>46937924
>>46937887
>>46938139

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7QFnBZmsKc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M4EZzXZoZI

>>46938111
>>46938214
One orb per weapon per turn, only limited by how many attacks you have and how fast you can switch 'weapons'.

>>46938040

Weird, create pit was quite nice in a campaign I played in and I heard it is often banned.

Don't worry, though, wizards start slow and pick up steam later. At early levels, they have some nice disables with sleep, color spray and the like. Color spray requires you to be careful with your positioning, but if the meatshields are smart, it is worth it.

Back in the first game I ran (3.5, starting at level 2) the beguiler was a nightmare with sleep and color spray.

>>46938072

Wizard blasting at low levels usually requires you to invest something to be really good.Burning hands, for example, is 1d4 damage if you are just Joe Average Sorc, but with the right bloodline or wizard school, the (Varisian) mage tattoo for evocations and a trait giving bonus to burning hands a wizard can put out some decent damage numbers straight from level one. Without them, it is mostly a backup option.

>>46937851

Doesn't the Blade comic predate Vampire Hunter D?

This is a weird thread.

Anyway, what was that book where they tried to reinterpret oldschool monsters called?

>>46938325
Misfit Monsters Redeemed

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>>46938345
Thanks. Is it not in the Mega, or do I just suck at looking?

>>46935474
>spoiler
Seems a bit redundant considering the above line.

Then again, she could've been my wifes succubus daughter.

>>46937887
Important to note, that if you go 'party face' route, the trait that allows you to speak with animals also allows you to diplomancy them. This can be incredibly useful.

>>46938277
>>46938302
Thanks for the suggestions, I'm thinking that some disable type spells are definitely the most useful for him combat wise.
I think I might need to also throw some more interesting combat and non-combat encounters at them to further even the spotlight.

>>46937373
But anon, none of my GM's have ever had us face Medusas, Cockatrices, or Basilisks.

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Would you play a campaign where pic related was the BBEG and you had to stop him?
Bonus question: What if you were supposed to work for him instead of stopping him?

>>46939082
oh, that copypasta.

smite and cleave

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>>46939082
I want to play a souldrinker who bullies this villain for completely wasting his talents and resources on fetish crap. Do you even cyborg death lolis, bro?

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>>46939082
KILL MAIM BURN

>>46938072
>>46938480
If you are good go for Obsucuring Mist or Silent Image (doesn't even have to be creative, an image of wall or something will still block creature sight).

Similarly, Euphoric Cloud. Enemy are now fascinated and cannot see the battle happening outside of the fog.

Burning Arc is pretty nice blasting spell for it level.

Flaming Sphere? Aggressive Thundercloud? Those thing stay for 3 round.

What is the best martial discipline and why is it veiled moon?

Teleporting people 60ft into the air to have them fall down for 10d6 damage plus 6d6 falling damage is fun.

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>>46938094
You are an american compatriot of potential african heritage, and I would be proud to go to war against perfidious Albion beside you.

>>46939262
>Flaming Sphere? Aggressive Thundercloud? Those thing stay for 3 round.
Unless you use stuff like extend spell, and arithmancy, also arcanist arcane pool can make them last longer as well.

>>46939082
>When I have removed all her teeth I implant a silicone layer with a soft top layer on her jaws. She will still be able to give blow jobs, but she can no longer bite your dick

>All the jaw muscles working together can close the teeth with a force as great as 55 pounds (25 kilograms) on the incisors or 200 pounds (90.7 kilograms) on the molars.

Even with the silicone, that could still smash your dick, I imagine. I know the picture is fake, by the way, just something I noticed upon reading it again.

>>46939355
Is that taking into account the decreased point of contact for incisors?

Basically, is that per square inch or no?

I'm curious.

>>46937767
Is it still primarily psitech, with mechs being class features then? Or have they made the buyable ones actually worth a damn?

>>46939505
I think they pulled away from psi some, but I don't think there's any buyable ones.

>>46935895
When you homebrew it. The thing that touhoufag commissioned from DSP is a class.

Hey /pfg/

what standard area does a colossal++ object take up?

The progression is a pretty straightforward 5, 10, 15, 20. But then from gargantuan to colossal it skips right to 30.

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>>46937984
Scathach a cute!
C U T E
U
T
E

>>46939630
Damn. I and my group really prefer mechs as equipment, not 'construct eidolons' so I guess I'll keep looking.

>>46939727
Dividing by 5 (Save for first) you get a 2 3 4 6 progression. It probably goes 2 3 4 6 8 12 16 24 32 48 (Times 5)

>>46939809
So... a Colossal++ by this would be... 60 square feet?

/pfg/ I'm a necromancer and i want to make intelligent zombies who can take class lvls, someone have any advice?

>>46939954
"No."

Intelligent Zombies are literally impossible to keep under control and you'll annoy everybody with the constant rolling.

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>>46939954
Don't. Intelligent undead are undead that get a save to break free of your control every day, and then kill you and everyone you love.

Mindless undead are loyal, mindless undead are love.

>>46939979
Isn't that only when you pick up a certain feat? otherwise It's every action.

>>46939993
Command Undead the feat is one save per day. Command Undead the level 2 spell is the one with opposed Charisma checks and auto-break on threatening actions, which is why nobody should ever use said spell.

>>46939797

There is pricing for vehicles, so perhaps increasing the given price would likely help out with buying a mech.

>>46939974
>>46939979

:( Well goodbye my dream of a zombie knight fighter. Hello, new dream: Zombie apocalypse

>>46939974
>You'll annoy everyone with the constant rolling
>Intelligent undead have a tendency to roll everywhere like Link.

>>46940028
Pity that needs Channel Energy. Although Gravewalker Witches can pull a similar deal, and make literally as many attempts as they want.

>>46940028
Command Undead is a fucking amazing level 2 spell, I have used it to dominate many a campaign. Lets you control essentially unlimited monsterzombies/monster skeletons, at least I've never been in a campaign where I could not control all the tougher monster corpses that were worth my while.

All the giants and hydras and sheeit you could want. Yum yum.

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>>46939979
>Mindless undead are loyal, mindless undead are love.

>>46940046
Think less zombie apocalypse (useless) and more the Diablo 2 necromancer using Revive.

>>46938020
Throw another caster at them, introduce him to counter spell and magic duels and etc.

>>46939954
take leadership instead?

>>46940119
Kek.

>>46939954
Juju zombies.

>>46940078
Well i'm a juju oracle so i'm using whatever i can as my personal army

>>46940102
man I've NEVER seen a situation where counter spelling was useful, or would be useful even theoretically and I've played since 3.0 first came out

Could the DSP devs post stats for their classes?
Basically to see how everything is fitted out

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>>46937769

This sounds an awful lot like a character in one of the campaigns I'm in.

What race is this show-off oiled up girl?

>>46937907

NEUTRAL
EVIL

>>46940145
what?

>>46940241
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/zombie-juju-cr-1
Intelligent zombies who can have class levels.

>>46940241
>>46940253
You can make those using the Create Undead spell, as long as you have a method to control them afterwards.
With a carefully worded contingency and CL boosts, you can even become one.

>>46940185
>Enemy caster about to cast some shit like Hold Person or Fly

>Readied an action to fuck that shit up

To be fair most GM don't use caster enemies, and it would probably be more viable if it worked against magic items or spell like abilities too.

>>46940196
Stats? You mean like iconics or example builds?

>>46940253
>>46940264

Thank you so much! Seems rather dangerous if you fail the command undead attempt but i think it's worth for my idea when i arrive to that lvl.

>>46940196
>>46940315

DSP doesn't stat their iconics, iirc.

>>46940489
Yeah, that's why I was asking if he meant iconics or sample builds. To my knowledge they don't do either, but I'm sure /pfg could produce PLENTY of sample builds.

>>46940034
It will, and it has the rules for crafting them actually already, but you can't really call it complete or refined until they add in the options like overlay-armor "barding" and finally write in all the supposed new weapons.

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>>46940589
The beamspam anons would probably want that to be the Warsoul iconic

>>46940489
If they did, they might have to stat their iconics' pirate dads.

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Daily reminder that Paizo's "Good" characters are usually evil as fuck, but get away with being Good, because Paizo wants them to be seen as Good.

>>46940842
Please give examples

Does the SRD website list all the alchemist/investigator third party archetypes, or is it missing some?

>>46941005
>Does the SRD website list all the alchemist/investigator third party archetypes, or is it missing some?
SRD doesn't even have everything from DSP, let alone any actually obscure 3pp, so it's probably safe to say that if the question is "Does the SRD list all 3pp x?" the answer is resounding no for almost any value of x.

>>46941076
well fuck

Is there some other list of archetypes or do I just have to trawl the trove?

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>>46935474
>Loli Succubus Daughter Edition
>The child is yours. What do?
I praise Folca for this marvelous gift of fate. :^)
Reminder that this is canon.

>>46941103
I wouldn't be surprised if someone had compiled such a list at some point, but I would be surprised if I found one that's comprehensive and up to date. You're probably out of luck.

Question for anybody with Inner Seas Faiths: did Paizo ruin /pfg/'s favorite deities (Sivanah and Zyphus) or did they manage to make it through relatively unscathed?

>>46941126
Wow this is great.

>exploration
>black stork
>strangers
>sweets

I know what god I'm going to follow next game.

>>46937373
I'm an frequent ERPer and have even run a few ERP games in the past. There's a lot of stuff that could be considered my magical realm.

That said, once my players in a non-ERP meat-space game started talking about how their PCs had boned after getting drunk because one of them was a lightweight and the other was a bard. They didn't go on about it or describe the sex, but just role played some flirting and "the morning after". Despite being more perverse or at least more kinky than any of my players, I felt more weirded out by the situation than I think anyone else is. That was kind of strange, but on reflection I think the reason it bothered me so much is because I have a very clear line between which of games are for ERP and which aren't... Or it could have been because it was face-to-face game.

7 WIS. What does dumping WIS mean for a character?

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>>46941206
That's nasty, anon. You're nasty.

>>46941246
It means you'd better have immunity to mind-affecting effects or have your caster keep you under protection from evil 24/7.

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>>46941126
>mfw

>>46940167
Original juju or retconned juju?

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>thought my GM was kidding around when he asked me what I would play in a Hell's Vengeance game
>look at the aasimar flame oracle he said he would play
>tell him I would play a tiefling magus with an ice theme, roll a few variant features for giggles and have a few laughs with him about character creation for both characters
>mfw finding out he really is seriously considering the AP for the summer, and he really liked the concept I slapped together on a whim
>mfw I may wind up actually playing Hell's Vengeance with this NE tiefling hermaphrodite

I really need to stop making joke characters, I already know my group winds up liking them.

How the fuck do I play an evil character anyway? I don't think I even know how to intentionally be cruel or an asshole. Does /pfg/ know any quick examples of NE I can read up on? I know you can be evil and not an asshole all the time, but how do I avoid just playing a neutral character with a "yes I am totally evil" sticker on their sheet?
Should I just emulate my sisters-in-law?

Anyone with Bestiary 5 can tell me if Astral (and extraplanar) dragons can be summoned through Gate? I want my evil boss call a Nightmare Dragon in the final fight

>>46941326
If I were in your position, I'd make a stoic, selfish greedy mercenary... who doesn't necessarily have to constantly make catty remarks and bitch whenever someone does something nice like in Baldur's Gate. You could have xor be a bit of an ice princex.[/]spoiler]

>>46941330
yes, they are extraplanar, ergo can be gated

>>46941326

The functional way to play evil is just to have a diminished "circle of concern."

You care about yourself. You care about the party; they're your allies, maybe even friends. You can be a very good friend to them.

Everyone else, they're not really people. Who gives a shit what happens to them? You don't cause suffering on purpose, because the suffering of non-people is meaningless to you. But you'll gladly slaughter a room full of them if it's to the party's advantage.

>>46941330
Dragons are not Outsiders, so by RAW, no. But pretty sure you can get away with it for extraplanar beings or saying it was a dpecial ritual for the Nightmare Dragon specifically.

>>46938937
This anon likes things rock hard.

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>>46941290
Demonic harbringers are pretty damn weird, but I like the flavour.

>Uaransaph
>demonic demi-god of fear of falling and overcoming said phobia

>Nalmungder, He Who Waits Below the stairs
>Portfolio: Basements, Closets, Delusions of safety

>Osolmyr
>Flagellation, Repression, Self-denial

They're fun. Folca's got to be the creepiest though. Who thought pedophile god was a good idea?

>>46941397
Nah, Gate doesn't mention Outsiders, it mentions Extraplanars. So Gate can summon any extraplanar creature, while it cannot summon native outsiders.

>>46941326
NE IMO is best RP'd as selfishness taken to the extreme. Everybody who isn't you or somebody whom you're using for your benefit is as expendable as a jug of unholy water.

>>46941206
You running an awakened bear character?

>>46941434
Someone who has excellent taste in free candy?

>>46941326
>I don't think I even know how to intentionally be cruel or an asshole.
Good looks out for number two.

Neutral looks out for number one.

Evil looks out for number one by crushing number two.

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>>46941434
>Osolmyr

Okay that hits a bit too close to home for me.

On a lighter note, /pfg/, how am I supposed to play a strawberry dragon? Go Ghoran and obtain a Fly speed?

>>46941434

I've never been impressed with Folca, because until they actually DO something with him, there's not really a lot of point besides "look how mature and edgy we are".

>>46941503

I'm pretty sure what Folca does 24/7 needs no embellishment whatsoever.

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>>46941496
I counter your strawberry dragon with a watermelon dragon.

>>46941470
I don't think the little honeys could bear his hugs and etc. etc. Probably the weebish race possible

>>46941567
That was a grizzly, anon.

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>>46941496
>>46941537
I raise both of you a collection of assorted fruit dinosaurs!

>>46941582
Bear penis

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>>46941503
On one hand, yes, but on the other I think the idea of a plethora of small evil deities governing some specific nasty aspects of human life, society and nature has it's own merit. It gives more character to the deity and the cult surrounding it instead of going full "this is a god of evil and destruction that seeks corruption and destruction of everything good".

>>46941618
Now if only they could manage that same sort of "ungenericification" of the good gods.

>>46941618
Nothing wrong with that, really, Melkor was grrrrrrreat.

Also if you are the personification of corruption and evil, then one could see it less as him wanting to make everyone and everything evil, so much as him wanting to be a part of everyone's life.

>>46941649

They did, they're called Empyreal Lords.

>>46941649
Good kinda needs to be spoken of in fetters or else you're going to be making super value charged statements and putting people off, there's no real upside to it.

>>46941656

Sort of like Melkor's original intention, to infuse creation itself with his corruption?

That would actually be a pretty neat demon lord, the Demon Lord of Cultural Genocide and Societal Collapse.

Might hit a few raw nerves on the Paizo forums, especially when you consider the best sacred animal for that is the Rat.

>>46941677

This is why the God of Virginity is also the God of Prostitutes, anon.

Or the goddess of marriage and womanhood is also the goddess of MMA fighting.

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>>46941660
>Empyreal Lord of multiplayer vidya and good winrate
>>46941686
>Demon Lord of Cultural Genocide and Societal Collapse.
Diceid? Although yeah, he's more about subversion of nature.

So besides Steadfast Personaility for charisma to will saves vs mind affecting? Is there anything else that gets charisma to will saves besides Divine Grace and the feat nerfed into charmed life feat?
I could have sworn there was a trait that let you use charisma mod vs illusions. Anyone know the name of it?

Howdy. Just wondering, what's the coolest thing Witches can do? I'm looking at the Witch info, and they seem bodaciously neato.

>>46941686
>Sort of like Melkor's original intention, to infuse creation itself with his corruption?

That's what I was generally trying to convey, but yeah. Its like, their followers may not view it as evil or they may only view it as a coincidence, just trying to bring their wise overlord's unique spin on creation to people, society, etcetera.

Also

>"Human sacrifices? On my festival day? How'd you know I liked those? Wow, that must have been a lot of work."

>>46941686
>Might hit a few raw nerves on the Paizo forums, especially when you consider the best sacred animal for that is the Rat.
Why, exactly?

>>46941363
>>46941492
Sounds pretty good. It'll probably come naturally should we really play the AP. Taking the disguise skill for mundane disguise might be fun, if kind of pointless considering I'd play a magus.
Are chest bindings even an item with a price attached to them?

>>46941392
>>46941442
>dimished circle of concern
>selfishness to the extreme

So... Just look at my sisters-in-law then?

>>46941774

Woah, they actually have a matchmaker deity?

What's the point in Erastil now that we've got all these better alternatives?

>>46941276
And even THEN some shit will get through anyways, so your friends better have a few password systems and a few dispels onhand to make sure your head is always clean.

WIS7 is "I am not a clever man", minus the ability to just ignore horrible things.

>>46941660
>>46941677
Yeah, but all their Empyreal Lords might as well live in San Francisco. Not that there's something wrong with some of them being like that, but it feels like most are. We only have a few genuinely interesting ones like Damerrich.

And more over, I was critisizing the generically good gods like Iomedae when I said that, who is just CRUSADES AND JUSTICE god #348, or Sarenrae who is "totally not fem!Allah".

>>46941823

Jews, anon.

The Demon Lord of cultural genocide and societal collapse would probably sound an awful lot like Jews.

>>46941829

Isn't Greta Neutral Evil?

>>46941537
That's one smug looking piece of fruit.

>>46941829
Chest bindings are probably part of the female version of an explorer's outfit and a few others, seeing as having your tits just kind of bouncing around as you're trying to get a move on would be troublesome.

THERE IS LITERALLY A STARBUCKS IN KINTARGO.

WHAT THE FUCK.

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Best opposition schools for a wizard?

I was thinking divination / enchantment then opposition research to get back enchantment

>>46941829

Also, don't feel bad if you don't have an opportunity to demonstrate evil traits every session. I personally think that, as far as PCs are concerned, well played evil chars are pretty subtle. Killing things that look like they're a threat, or rich, during a surprise round rather than finding their intentions first, shanking people put under via a Sleep hex, a utilitarian or abusive view of prisoners. A lot of these won't really stick out in most parties, which is fine.

>>46941392
There we go, someone who understands.

Far too many forget that "Evil" is how far you're willing to go, NOT whether or not you're capable of things like love and friendship. Indeed, a Lawful Evil character may be the greatest ally you will find when someone fucks with you and you need someone to help you return the favor a thousandfold.

The finest example is every classic villain with a daughter who falls for the hero. Somehow it goes right over some autists heads that this guy has a wife(often dead though, which may be why evil now) and daughter he loves, to the point where he's often even willing to accept the guy who's been murdering all his goons straight into the family, all forgiven, because his little girl wants him as a husband.

The real show of Evil is how little you're truly capable of caring about shit you give no fucks about, and just what you're willing to come up with when it comes to dealing with those that fucked with you.

>>46941876
Evocation I'd say.

>>46941866
This.
Sports bras are a very recent thing, and until those, the best thing to do was keep'em tight.

Not to the point where those ridiculous comic characters look like men; no one's trying to "trans" here, but it fucking *hurts* if they've been flopping wildly whenever you have to jump and dash. Just, nice and secure, preferably with nice absorbant types of cloth so they're not as sweaty either. It's for the sake of comfort after all.

>>46941876
Evocation can literally be replaced entirely by shit like conjuration (which has multiple blasty spells AND some of the best AoE ones to boot) and in many campaigns necromancy has very little you would ever get to do with it.

Meanwhile, Divination and Conjuration are top notch, and Abjuration... at least one full caster in the party needs that one, because when it IS needed, it is FUCKING needed.

>>46941936

How effective are chest bindings for large-chested women, anyway? They strike me as something that only really works for girls with average or small busts.

>>46941966

>Conjuration

You're triggering me, anon.

>tfw martial
>tfw Conjuration wizard
>tfw I'm literally made worthless by the summoned beasts

I just sort of stopped trying after a point.

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>>46942007
I don't agree with its design either. It can fucking do everything, stomps on half the other schools, Conjuration is the epitome of "broken caster".

>>46941978
Much like any bra, "not nearly as well". Certainly helps, but that's a lot of mass to tie down.
Women really do have some disadvantages in physical activity. It's just the evolutionary price to pay for having such critical integrated life functions in you*. And the more 'womanly' you get, the more *endowed* the problem gets as well!

*Get a good guy and it won't ever feel like discrimination either - Oh no, I can get hubby to move that couch instead of having to do it myself! They've evolved to wait hand and foot on us while we're constructing units anyways!

>>46942007

I don't bother with Conjurations that summon shit unless ABSOLUTELY necessary, I just throw Glitterdust and Stinking Cloud, which cripples the enemy while 100% saving the ego of martial allies. In my experience, they always love having a bunch of blind, vomiting baddies to beat up safely.

>>46942118
>>46942007

In 3e I've never even remotely been impressed by the summon monster spells. The average summoned monster multiplies the enemy's damage reduction by 3 (claw/claw/bite) and isn't very good with power attack, takes a full round to summon and will be cancelled by any attack on you (its like I'm back in AD&D again!) and can't attack people protected by a single damn level 1 spell.

>>46942118
That looks cute

>>46941704
>Or the goddess of marriage and womanhood is also the goddess of MMA fighting.
I still find it kinda funny that she's a goddess of both kinds of rings: the ones you put on a finger, AND the ones you box in.

>At 20th level, when the zealot dies, he can choose to merge with his own collective. While he is merged with his collective, his collective continues to function and he can continue to use the Aid Another action, add creatures to his collective, remove creatures from his collective, and merge souls with his collective.

>Add creatures to his collective

...How?
You need line of sight to add a creature to your collective, but... you don't have any physical body left to have line of sight from.

>>46941978
Fairly.
Needs to be tight tho, and most people don't do it right.

>>46942300
Does his body vaporize? If not, its still there. Death is, quite literally, a status condition. He is, one can assume, prone.

>>46942265
True, at the same time though I could easily see a goddess of marriage and womanhood having an Erastil-like view on those who'd leave home and go fight.

>Oh great, you're going to abandon your wife and child, probably get killed, and in the best of cases they won't even have you in their lives half of the year or more. Deadbeat asshole.
>Oh great, you're going to abandon your husband and children - or not even make any in the first place, just so you can go play dress-up in armor and fighty-fight with fucking dragons, whom you're probably hoping win and rape you or something. Deadbeat bitch.
>You two. What the fuck? Stop being all smiley at each-other while you're scooping grey-matter out of those bulettes, build a fucking house and make some goddamn kids for once! You know who else can smell like shit and vomit? Babies! And they won't even try to kill you! Oh gods are you going to start tanning it right here?... HOW IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING EVEN FUN? HOW?

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>>46941866
>>46941936
The main reason I asked about the chest bindings was because it's a factor for mundane disguises. If I'm going to play an androgynous tiefling herm, I might as well make use of that so I can be whomever I need to be at that point in time. Maybe I won't be the social character, but fuck if I'm going to rely solely on magic to stay hidden when playing a homeless mistake of nature in rusty dagger shanktown.

Speaking of which
>mfw neither Perception, Stealth, Bluff, Disguise, nor Knowledge Religion and Local, are class skills for the magus
>mfw would need extra trait feat if I wanted more than one or two of those, and a lot of them overlap and/or don't make sense together
>mfw I need to save regional and magic for the metamagic traits, narrowing my choices even more
>mfw tieflings can't get the fey thoughts alternate racial trait

I'm so spoiled from playing half elves.

>>46941966
>yfw Illusion can now do Conjuration better than Conjuration
>yfw 130% real
>yfw Xanderghul was right all along

>>46942188
You need to look at that list again, and realize it was also expanded.
Higher level creatures have alignments/magic on natural attacks, and come with built in abilities that can bolster itself and the party.

>>46942251

Breastfeeding is cute to me too, feels odd people can get aroused by it.

>>46942379
You don't NEED the regional AND magic metamagic reduction traits. In fact, if your group isn't mid- or hi-OP, you probably don't need either.

>>46942300
He's merged with his collective, which means he can use line of sight from any of them.

>>46942379
Unless you're like a B-cup or less, forget using bindings for anything but truly theatrical "disguised as a man". Any woman with a solid set of knockers can only pretend to the level of giving some half-asleep schoolkids enough suspension of disbelief to get on with the show.

Someone with DDs would still obviously have a chest in there.

Well, it should be pretty obvious that if you're not on the flatter side of sears, you're not exactly androgynous. Kinda like you won't get away with wearing a woman's swimsuit if you've got an anaconda, no matter how you try to tuck.

>>46942379
What >>46942473 said. Either you've got small assets in both the tits and the dick (in which case simply wearing baggy clothing would be enough to hide it and quite possibly enough to find your fiendish traits), or you got "blessed" with huge knockers and/or a a big fat cock (which if you have, fucking good luck hiding any of it without looking like an idiot).

>>46942452
It can go both ways, particularly when it's your wife.

On a basic level, what you've got there is a cute, loving interaction, mother and child sharing a bonding moment (quite literally so, as there's quite a bit of endorphins released, and proper mother's milk helps the immune systems on the child's side too).

But they're still breasts, there's no reason to feel discouraged from the usual licking and sucking on them just because she's lactating, and in fact, you might start thinking "hey it's my turn next" once you're both used to it!

>>46942436
3e really doesn't have anything totally rockin' like PF's summoned storm giants, its more gimmicky goofy bullshit like my article from long ago about allips vs tarrasques, summoning a celestial so she can use Hallow in a single standard action (spell likes ignore casting time), etc.

I may however learn the Summon Foo ropes one day since my wife wants to play a summoner next time we PF.

>>46942528
This.
Every try to tuck? If you aren't well within average, it's NOT happening.
>>46942531
>here's no reason to feel discouraged from the usual licking and sucking on them just because she's lactating, and in fact, you might start thinking "hey it's my turn next" once you're both used to it!
This. It's good stuff.
>>46942581
Mid late game summoning alone is a force multiplier, not a replacement character. Early game, tho, a summon will handily outdo a martial that isn't optimized.
Like I said, it's the spells and spell likes that REALLY make them useful, on top of extra punch.

>>46942626
Also, from what I've been told (I merely lent the swimsuit) if you don't utterly hate yourself after tucking, there's something very wrong with you, or you're a serious masochist.

As I understand it, it's extremely uncomfortable, possibly outright pain.

>>46942357
>listening to Erastil
>not heeding the word of Dahak

That's how you get Commoner levels, anon.

>>46942652
It was like someone had kicked me in the balls, except I'd done it to myself and instead of a sudden shock that slowly goes away, it was the middle phase of "30s after but you'd still rather not get up" for several hours.

One time. Never again. I'm happy as a man, and I'll never be mean to little snakey-snake again.

>>46942418
If Xanderghul ever gets statted, I want it to turn out the original was killed and replaced by 130% real illusory Xanderghul, who was the one actually running Cyrusian for a millennium, and the instigator behind Thassilon's fall to depravity.

>>46937373
Honestly, it will never really happen. I have two groups, and one of them says they're into women (going so far as to make notes about all the significant female NPCs they meet), but will never actually do anything with them, and the other is a group of idiots who the concept of NPC romance with actually makes me cringe a little because it will be so fucking horrible.

I will never know what it truly is to magical realm in a game. And that makes me a little sad.

>>46942626
>Early game, tho, a summon will handily outdo a martial that isn't optimized.

I assume this is referring to 3e? That level of suckiness is more the mage saving the party in that kind of situation, as early level summons are made of one part suffering and two part irrelevance. I would never bother with low level summons outside of Greenbound.

The average power level of a 2nd level summons, available at level 3 at the price of "you lose your turn, and if anyone attacks before your next turn, you the spell fails," is a dog you buy from the store. You can gain the fearsome power of a level 3 summoner-conjurer by buying a dog for, what, 75 gold? And it lasts for more than 3 rounds.

Anyone playing a martial so shitty he is obsoleted by low level summon monster spells should just spend his WBL on some dogs. That's all you have to do. Or kill himself, that works too.

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>mfw DM complains that combat is taking too long
>mfw DM wants to use an hourglass to determine the duration of buffs instead of rounds

>>46938310
First D novel came out in... 71? 72?
I have it somewhere.

>>46942795
>Right, so, you cast all your buffs, and attempt to surprise... well, roll for initiative. Oh, hold on, I'm going to the bathroom
>*SAND GOES DOWN*
>And, back. Alright. First up is Jeff
>Alright, well I don't know how these treants all managed to appear within 10ft of us when we were in a wide open desert with see-invisibility, but anyways I full attack.
>WOAH THERE. STOP. WHY ARE YOU ROLLING A FOURTH TIME?
>Because I'm hasted?
>That ran out five minutes ago. Don't start cheating at my table again jeff.

literally the DM's goal here.

>>46942528
>>46942379
I mean, just buy a hat of disguise. If you're starting at level 1 or 2 and can't afford it but reeeeally want to be able to hide it from the start, ask your DM if he'd allow you to start with one even though it's above WBL because it's not really something that confers much mechanical benefit- it's almost entirely an RP item unless your campaign is about infiltration and shit.

>>46942795
>he puts it on its side when he's thinking about his monsters turns
>the monster buff one. not yours. he's off ordering pizza and that one's still just going down

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So let's say I wanted to homebrew up a parasite race wot gets to play by taking over other critters. I'm left with a few questions.

>Size: Tiny, Diminutive, or Fine?
>Type: Vermin or Aberration?
>Ability Scores: +2 INT, -2 CHA, -6 all physicals when outside a host, or +2 to host's INT, predefined statblock when outside of a host and use the host's statblock when inside?
>Host mechanics: does it die if outside a host for a certain amount of time, or just need to hitch a ride until they can find something suitable? Does hopping from an injured or dead host to a new one force a contest vs.the prospective host's Fort save?

What do you think, /pfg/?

>>46942746
Any competent summoner is going to have some way to rapid the spell anon, so you're going to be able to attack right off the bat.

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>>46942795
>tfw DM does this, and then demands that players explain their actions in roleplay-speak.

>>46942894
>>46942914
>>46942986

I was just so happy to be out of the perma-DM seat and this shit happens.

>>46942925
Why would they be particularly more intelligent?

Even Goa'Uld mostly had very long lifespans to thank for their intellect, and they weren't actually all that creative or capable anyways. And those are the parasites that people worship as fucking gods.

>>46943025
Because it needs a stat bonus to something if I want anyone to play it, and I really can't see "tiny thing that hijacks your brain to puppet you" giving WIS or CHA, nevermind how your physical stats would not be helped at all.

So... James Jacobs does not want to support Mengkare because he does not want to sound like he supports Eugenics... Yet he actively supports the Cult of the Dawnflower, a literal Islamic terrorist organization?

>>46942925
>>46943050
Au contraire, CHA bonus would make the most sense for a species that literally has to fool people into thinking it's the host to survive. Penalty to Charisma means you're getting found out and burned at the stake more often.

>>46942978
Okay. You're still spending actions to be less effective than a commoner with dogs, when you could be doing far more with Glitterdust or Stinking Cloud, and are completely trumped by Prot/Evil.

Nobody's expecting martials in 3e to be good, but generally above commoner 1 who works at the dog pound. Summon Monster is, barring tricksydoodle stuff like the allips (which is Summon Undead, but whatever), fairly lame, a la evocations blastymages.

>>46942454
I probably only need one for frostbite, since >ice magus, but when you have a 2 PC party without gestalt, there's a lot of scrambling to cover bases. Hell's vengeance /is/ a paizo AP, though, so it's highly likely I'm overcompensating during the building of a bladebound/hexcrafter magus. I was sorely tempted to just play a Lunar oracle, or even a summoner, but I wanted to try NOT building a character that drags companions, pets, or summons all over the place.

>>46942473
>>46942528
>>46942652
>>46942908
>Everything related to binding and tucking

All stuff I kinda knew, for the most part. Small chest would have to be a given for "androgynous", as would not having other exaggerated features. Baggy pants would probably be a norm, but it wouldn't hurt to be prepared to wear damn near anything if I'm playing an informant. "But just use magic"? Friend, I'm working on having multiple layers of deception here, if I can't hide from and/or fool someone with nothing but a few strips of cloth and different mannerisms, how the fuck am I going to properly utilize magic for it? YES I REALIZE I SOUND DUMB, IT'S FOR THE SAKE OF FLUFF I SWEAR.

Looking up tucking while half-awake in the middle of the night was a bizarre experience. Uncomfortable as fuck too.

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>>46943071
Shhh. Don't point it out.

>>46943089
Huh. Didn't really think of it like that, but now that you mention it.

>>46943071
Somebody called him on the eugenics remark with relation to designer babies. He left the thread pretty quick.

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Why is minionmancy such a best, /pfg/?

What's your favorite kind of minion build? Necromancy's a classic, but construct crafters are neat if you can handle the economics of it, and I've never gotten to run a proper druid minionmancer build with Call Animal and Wartrain Mount. Are there other forms yet unknown to me?

SWARM DRUID NEVER, I'M STILL MAD

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>>46937678
>blow it out your ass

>>46943172

What was the context? Dose he support the second while hating the first?

I'm moving my 5e warlock to pathfinder, i have to re build my character and his concept from 0 or i have anything similar in pathfinder? My gm told me the pathfinder warlock is awful desu

>>46943183

> no mention of master summoner

Is there any way to repair an object that was destroyed centuries ago?

4th-5th level spells I cna do.

Or maybe a magic item that gives me the history of an object or spell that does the same?

>>46942925
>Vermin AND Abberation, but loses 'Vermin' negatives while bonded to a host.
>-2 Cha, NO int bonus, -4 all physicals and halve all final speeds outside a host but increasing by 1 (cannot prevent or heal) every hour as metabolism starts shutting down and/or suffering exposure due to a lack of host [you need it to fucking live].
>Grants +2 CON and +4 WILL to host, but IF host was unwilling recipient of the parasite, failed saves vs mind-affecting return control to the host in whatever degree the parasite is disabled (so paralysis, the host can move and act again, while a Geas won't do much and a forced sleep might give host time to get help). You also grant Fast Healing 1 and double their ability-burn/damage recovery per day, but only while host is above 0HP.

Advantage: You can jump hosts - be quick about it, you just need an open demihuman orifice, a standard demihuman physiology, and for them to fail a fort-save of DC 10+1/2 your character level+CON (if you want a STRONG replacement you're going to have to train him back up). If they make the save, you're expelled and cannot try again for another hour (they're not immune to you for the day, but they may be very angry and you're right there in reach). Again; be fast about finding a new host; the weaker you get, the harder it is to avoid rejection.

You track your body's HP separately (using that -4 con base); only overflow (what goes over killing them) goes into yours while you possess something, making you incredibly resilient This means that short of total body destruction, you can usually escape from being killed, making you incredibly difficult to get rid of.

You need a body to use magical items; even circuit-tattoos or other bodypart enchantments don't really work. You're soft, unarmored, at a massive disadvantage in every way outside of a host body of your own, but that last part makes you incredibly difficult to get rid of, when you can hop into a goblin right after.

>>46943239
Summoned monsters are casual-tier, anon. They're around for mere minutes at best, where even a simple skeleton can be your loyal butler all day, or a called-and-Wild-Empathy-d dog can be snuggled with at night.

And then you tell them to bone you and/or take the knot.

>>46943050
CHA and CON, but to the host. On its own, it's a slimy thing that can't even talk.

>>46943089
>Fine Size
>replace one of the host creature's bonuses with a +2 CHA bonus
>Aberration
>Can only make hosts of Humanoids and Monstrous Humanoids without racial feats
>Is left with CHA (whatever), INT 3, WIS 3, STR/DEX/CON 1 when outside a host, can still cast spells if it meets requirements but needs protection
>Diplomacy and Bluff as class skills
>if attempting to implant itself in a conscious host, host gets to make Fort saves against it reaching the brain. No Fort save for unconscious hosts.
>racial feats to allow you to have an Animal or Magical Beast as your host

This sound good? Also things I'm less sure of:
>Fly speed or no Fly speed?
>base land speed of HAHAHAHAHAHA or something generous like 10 ft. when outside a host?
>what happens when you intentionally leave a still-living host?

>>46943269
Seriously.

Command Undead: Get a hydra skeleton for 3 days.
Summon Monster II: Get a Pound Puppy for 16 seconds, thus saving yourself 75 gold. Maybe.

>>46943227
Not the guy you were asking but IIRC, the point was rather that he should support designer babies that are more resistant to disease and have genetic illnesses cleaned out. That's eugenics though, so if he's going to uniformly say eugenics are bad he's also saying that attempting to get rid of genetic diseases is bad.

But I'm not sure. I could be remembering the thread wrong, so take that with a grain of salt.

>>46943238
Vigilante with Warlock archetype should be fairly similar. You could also ask the GM about possibly converting the 3.5 Warlock to PF - should be a simple matter of giving it some minor buffs. Or if you merely want the fluff of making a pact with a patron and gaining power that way, you might want to look at Witch.

>>46943347
Aaaand I missed >>46943277 and >>46943262 before posting. I feel dumb now.

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>>46943183
A Lunar oracle with VMC into the Arcane Sorcerer Bloodline is one of my pocket builds that I'll probably never play. A bloke in plate with magical claws, a big scary enchanted beast to sic on people, and then a living encyclopedia sitting on his shoulder is just too attractive as a concept to me.

Of course, I fully intend to abuse construct crafting as soon as possible with my Promethean Alchemist, just as soon as the party stops being broke, and as soon as we actually have time to sit our asses down so I can craft shit.

>>46943092

That's why master summoner is such a bad class archetype right?

Right?

More seriously, a lvl 1 PC of any class does actually get destroyed by a commoner who works at the pound. A level 1 commoner and 10 dogs is a ~CR 4 encounter and actually quite terrifying if you have no AOE.

>>46943360
>he should support designer babies that are more resistant to disease and have genetic illnesses cleaned out

Why stop there?

Babies don't technically count as people, as long as you're the mother you can do literally anything to them in the womb and get away with it.

>>46943386
Has anyone here ever actually done a VMC? What did you VMC and how did it work out- did you still have enough feats to keep up and get gud at the things you wanted to get gud at?

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>Kingmaker Campaign
>Visit the Old Beldame
>Wizard strikes up a friendship with her and promises to visit her around the house
>She casually mentions that she wouldn't mind some help, being old as balls and tired as shit
>Wizard comes up with Solution
>Next time we see her she's a fucking Customized Limbjack, leaping over the castle wall while firing off a fireball after our Kingdom is besieged by barbarians, cackling the entire way
>She then proceeds to wade in with her built in magic flamethrower

Wizards man.
What's wrong with them?

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>decide to go shit-diving in the Paizo forums again
>James Jacobs: "My character Bezlarue in the Hell's Vengeance game Rob just started last week is a chaotic evil bard."
Aw shit, here we go again. Can't wait to meet her as the so-quirky antihero of an adventure path another year down the line.

>>46943347
It's important to offer at least once chance at rejection from the unconscious, otherwise all you need to do is wait for that guy with 30 in every stat to fall asleep. Things that give a second save vs poison and disease can probably give it here as well, like biofilter nanohives.

This of course goes both ways: do YOU want your character to simply be NPC'd away without so much as a fucking save? Of course not.

>>46943391
I was referring to 3e, which is significantly less generous to Summon Monster, and even pointed out Protection from Evil etc works better in 3e, while 3e also lacks stuff like Storm Giants.

>lvl 1 PC

I was referring to level 3 PCs, as its level 3 where you can summon a lone pound puppy tier monster. What a great use of a spell slot. Summoners are not conjurers and have different expectations.

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>>46943484

Why is Sento so smug?

>>46943352
>Command Undead: Get a hydra skeleton for 3 days.
You gotta FIND the hydra first.

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>>46943172
I am damn proud to say that was me.

Watching him leave that thread with his tail not just between his legs but right up his own asshole was a proud moment, even if the person after me got END OF RINE'd for pointing out he avoided giving an answer like a fucking coward.

>>46943477
God, these last couple generals have a lot of people talking about their Kingmaker campaign. For as much as a lot of people seem to hate it, everybody's playing it. That could be a case of the second one leading to the first one, but what's the deal here? Just how many Kingmaker games are going on, and why is every other group apparently playing it?

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>>46943484

Why does he always play low-wisdom high-charisma characters?

The man seems to have an aversion to muscles.

>>46943368
I'm intrigued about this class and his archetypes so I'll give it a look and talk with my gm maybe he can let me use that Vigilante

>>46943528
>That could be a case of the second one leading to the first one, but what's the deal here? Just how many Kingmaker games are going on, and why is every other group apparently playing it?

Kingmaker is a shit AP wrapped up in a very nice premise, and until you're knee-deep in Book 3 you won't realize just how shit it is.

It's basically everything everyone wants in a campaign;
>Hey man, you can totally explore and be like a big badass king, you can even build the kingdom!

>>46943484
Wis 7?

>>46943528
Because its a great idea for a campaign and gives you a shitload of freedom to fuck about?

It really is a good campaign, the only misstep they made was how the final BBEG has a massive overarching cliche plan.
The final enemy should have been the Brevoy civil war, it should have broke out in Book 6 and you either stand in the storm or fall before it like wheat.
With the chance to Counterattack as the 'Beyond campaign' after you manage to make it clear you ain't going to be Annexed like a bitch and Brevoy leaves you alone to infight.

>>46943455
My character supports that. If he achieves godhood, he'll still support that.

But then he'd probably be the kind of deity that mostly operates with or around the others, and expects his followers to do the same. The god the other gods call when they need something fixed.

>If you're receiving this vision, you are currently about to help the priests of the pirate god build a log cabin. The trees here have high thermal conductivity, go five miles north and cut the ones with the greyish bark. Vibroweapons will work well.
>What happened, oracle? Was it a message from the divine?
>Something about grey trees needing a vibrosword
>A what?
>I don't know, some mysterious god thing I guess

>>46943486
Good point. 2 saves, 4 for conscious?

>>46943579
>God using To Whom it may Concern towards his priests
Now there's someone you can have a close worship relationship with... not.

>>46943471
Not really but I imagine Wizard VMC Oracle (battle) into Eldritch Knight would still have enough feat to do their stuff.

>>46943486
Didn't Goa'Uld avoid going in through the mouths because they didn't want the maximum horror on their victim's face to imprint on their minds when they went in... AND because if the victim's not being held fucking helpless they'd probably just fucking bite you in half?

>>46943471
Fighter or Warder VMC Wizard actually works out pretty well, since you have bonus feats to make your build work and Wizard gives you a ton of options, including a buddy familiar (for crafting, skill checks, or beatsticking, as you desire based on archetypes), a nice Arcane School selection (including Divination, AKA best initiative bonus in the game), and some other extras that are good to have.

>>46943471
VMC Magus, Barbarian, and Bard are all top-tier for any martial.

Unchained Monk VMC Magus is pretty great, as it lets you double your ki pool through Ki Arcana and skip the whole AoMF ruckus with arcane pool enhancements.

VMC Sorcerer is a strong alternative to Eldritch Heritage (same feat expenditure either way, but you get a bloodline feat instead of Skill Focus). And VMC Wizard is passable, strong early on because of the familiar, though the rest tends to come in a bit late.

>>46942738
What if the 130% real illusion made a 130% real illusion of himself?

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>>46943786

Can a swordbinder wizard casts Name Bullet on his sword?

What happen when you crit with Sword of the mage anyway?

>>46935669
Just because it's commonplace doesn't mean we ever have to accept it.

>>46943786

Then you'd have a 169% real illusory Xandurghul, and shit will have officially gotten illusory real.

>>46943943

Ugh, I can't even! Commonplace means you have to accept it! Can you just not? It's [Current Year] for Allah's sake!

>>46943391
It's a move action to Handle each dog though..

>>46943990
Just wait till he achieves the pinnacle of his 169% power, creating the 219.7% Xandurghul; more than twice as real as the real thing!

Do familiars stack?

wizard, arcane sorcerer, witch and the one magus arcana all say they work using or based the wizards arcane bond class feature, so they probably don't stack

but what about the alchemist tumor familar discovery? it doesn't mention being based on arcane bond or effective wizard levels. could I take a two level alchemist dip and get another pet?

I'm trying to think of other ways to get a familiar to see if any of those would apply but I can't think of any

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>>46944036
You wanna be the very best?

>>46941434
>>46941503
They're being inclusive, which is like their whole deal. Just because you might find it repulsive, shitlord, doesn't make it automatically wrong and unspeakable. Let Folca cultists into your bathrooms.

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>>46944073
Like no one ever was

>>46944030
>more than twice as real
>usurps Sivanah
>usurps Lissala
>realizes there's nothing left to do but make continually-more-real versions of himself
>upon hitting 1000% real, Xanderghul appears at Paizo HQ

>>46943183
>What's your favorite kind of minion build?
it's become a bit of a meme among /pfg/, but promethean/preservationist alchemist, if only for the variety

you can make constructs and summon monster/natures ally and have a meh eidolon (use POW feats to make it a martial adept and it works pretty well)

with discoveries you can animate dead, create oozes and simulacrums and place contingency casts of dominate person onto people you kidnap

the only thing you can't do with this build is planar binding (if only lesser binding was a levle 4 spell on any list but OG summoner, then you could use spell knowledge to pick it up as a level 6 extract)

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>>46944138
To catch them all is your real test

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>>46944186
To breed them is my cause

Hey /pfg/ If i'm going for snap shot and combat patrol as a Pistolero, is there anything thing cool i should pick up? All 3rd party stuff, I really want to have two pistols, but unless im willing to go 13 levels of fighter i cant get it

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>>46941434
>>46941503
As a dAemon fanboy, I feel the need to point out that daemon harbingers don't embody fears, but means of death, specifically the means that THEY died by in their mortal lives.

So Uuaransaph is the patron of creatures that died by falling, or very specifically by being shot out of the sky. Nalmungder was once a mortal that was caught hiding in a cellar and killed (Anne Frank, what are YOU doing in Abaddon?!?). Osolmyr was likely some kind of religious mortal that flogged himself to death trying to absolve some sin.

And Folca, well, Folca may not have been the criminal in that particular crime. Vengeful spirit of the abducted child, completely dead inside after the horrors it endured, and using the same tactics that stole its life to hunt other innocents, anyone?

>>46943183
It's a total gimmick, but unchained summoner/promethean + polymath alchemist/spiritualist or shadow aspect wilder

via the magic of rules lawyering you argue that the phantom you get doesn't care about the homonculius because instead of being a summoned creature it's a living thing (and because the rules specifically say it hates eidolons and summoned shadows)

that way you have phantom OR eidolon along with the homonculi and trade between them pokemon style

the things that make this sort of but not really work are:
>having access to three spell lists + POW
>the feat DSP put out that works like boon companion but for spirtualists, so you are effectively just a two class character and not three
>the POW feat chain that gives anyone maneuvers and flagrant amounts of dogpiling

obviously it falls apart comically hard once you get to a specific level of power because everything you do is so far behind the curve, but you're the equivalent of several meh characters so maybe you can equal one decent one?

>>46944073
>>46944138
>>46944186
>>46944225
this was cute but like, you didn't actually answer my question at all

Let me ask you this /tg/...

I'm about to start running book 5 of Rise of the Runelords and I'm just bored with running it. The players like the game overall but I'm just..bored with it. What might be ways to liven things up for me so I'm willing to give more than a half-assed effort to run it to completion?

>>46944354
Bit of hawkguard wouldn't hurt. level 3 hawkguard lets you ranged-attack without provoking.

More interestingly, but a much deeper build, 10 levels of Grammaton allows gun-kata, where your guns act as melee weapons, except every time you hit in melee with them you get a free ranged attack (which of course does not provoke) with them as well.

Pistolero as a concept, no problem, but Pistolero, the specific archetype... not great. You may be better served with Trench Fighter 3 and the rest into something that doesn't suck, like warders, aegii, etc...

>>46944457
Welcome to /tg/!

>>46944457
I had no answer, just a yellow Gespenst.
That mega-scizor bot looks awesome though

>>46944443
I forget, can unchained summoners take regular summoner archetypes?

If you take synthesis summoner you could both A: reduce the overlap between eidolon and phantom and B: make this build less comically MAD, because then you can just wear your eidolon when its time to do POW stuff

>>46944477
dm kinda picky in some regards, so not allowed to take trench fighter, Ive also never really played any of the path of war stuff.

Thanks though, ill have a look into them

>>46944457
Your surmisal of which sources do and don't stack is already as accurate an answer as there is.

>>46944175
i like promethtean preservationist combo, is just love have that many options and minions and with time and materials you can be a truly "mad-scientisto"

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>mfw GM will never run our 1-on-1 games as gestalts
>I will never get to try out anything from clearly broken combinations to the silly but kind of weak QoL combinations (like unchained rogue||magus)
>unless I get to GM my own module, I will probably never play with any PoW materials

Sometimes I wish I didn't know about all the cool options I can't use.

I'm really late on this, but what the fuck is with unchained eidolons?

why do half of them just not get any natural attacks for no reason?

>>46937632
If I took away that familiar, would you die?

>>46944762
At least you HAVE one-on-one games.

>>46944810
Because Paizo looked at people yelling about the Summoner, and then looked at the Summoner, and then decided they would make an Unchained Summoner, and then decided that the Eidolon was the problematic element of that class.

Though, too be fair, they also fixed the Summoner's spell list, so they got things part-right. Just take the original Summoner class with the Unchained Summoner spell list and make their Summon Monster SLA take a 1 round action (and remove all methods that allow any class to get summoning as a standard action, which was and always will be a horrible idea if you don't want to completely break game balance), and then Summoner is basically fine.

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>Be GM.
>Playing Rise of the Runelords.
>Party has just recover Fort Rannick from the Kreeg Clan ogres.
>"Let's go back to Turtleback Ferry!"
>Party see half the town is enduring a flood.
>Black Magga happens.
>Party's bard says:
"Lets talk with it and see what it wants".

>Black Magga is demolishing the church.
WHY?!

>>46945089
I understand nerfing the ball of natural attacks stuff because that was sort of silly

but what I'm complaining about isn't that it got nerfed, I'm wondering why all the natural attacks specifically say "you need to have this archetype of eidolon to take this"

for example, angels get to take slam attacks for every pair of arms they have and thats it, there's like eight other attack types they just dont get for no real reason

>gm hates magic item creation rules
>uses custom rules that make it pointless to even try to make magic items
>we're level 6 and no one has any magic items at all and basically no money

fucking what

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>>46945118
I mean, Black Magga IS intelligent. More intelligent than any non-Int-based PC will be, at 25 Int, and speaks half a dozen languages.

She's just also a degraded herald of Lamashtu that lives to invoke terror and madness in mortals.

>>46944416
Does that mean that Cixyron was just some bitch that got shot to death?

>>46945083
Technically haven't had one for at least two-three months, but that was because my GM was drowning in work. I've been getting the "SOON(tm)" talk, lately, though.

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>>46945213
Yes, she is but also as you pointed is a creature of Lamashtu which sole purpose is fuck up people with terror and madness.
My players started to whine "TPK! TPK!" when they tried to talk with it while she was having her fun terrorizing the two dozen peasants taking shelter in the local Erastyl church and she replied with her breath weapon.

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>>46945238
Shot to death, nah, that's just his favored weapon. Portfolio is electricity, gunpowder, and poisonous metals. More likely a mad scientist whose work went Horribly Wrong, some Chernobyl shit.

>>46945332
I thought Cixyron was a female?

>>46945351
There's no way of knowing; Cixyron's title is "The Furious Thunder" which gives nothing away, and titles are basically all we have to go on for any harbinger save Zelishkar.

Do outsiders in Golarion have free will?

>>46945577
Depends on the type of outsider. They all have predispositions towards their original alignment, but pretty much all of them are capable of shifting from that alignment in various circumstances. Being forced out of alignment is sometimes required (succubutt in WotR), but then you could argue that they're being forced to stay in alignment by the nature of the societies they live in (can't really build up good acts to make the shift to CN if you get murdered by your peers the moment you start being soft on the mortals).

>>46945577

Yes, though they're designed to clearly derive pleasure and/or enjoyment from what they're designed to do.

For example, Arueshalae was a succubus that only turned good after Desna made her remember her past life, putting her current life in perspective.

>>46945577

Consider what an Outsider is.

An Outsider is born from plane-stuff and given a job they were instinctively hard-wired to do. They technically have free will, but going against what they were "born" to do is unnatural, like a dog fucking a cat or a Jew refusing money.

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So what's the most counterful countering full counter build you can get out of PoW stuff. I know the Daring Hero has Effortless Parry for several extra counters per round, and then there's the Zealot with something like Assert Existence on top of regular counters, but are there any specific tricks to it? Or anything to watch out for, like ways to bypass counters or something?