BFG General

First for OP forgetting to link to previous thread.
>>46884414

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Second for VOID COMBAT STRATEGY
>>46898713

Is it bad manners to take 2 light cruisers as defender in data/assasination and run for free req farming?

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>>46901561
Not at all, unless you do like every successful admiral does and turn every fight into a cruiser clash.

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>>46901621
This. Different mission types and differentiating between attacker and defender are just fluff. Your objective, every time, is to kill everything on the board.

I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that the two missions to defend the artefacts are all that hard; I rolled both of them on hard, using carriers and upgraded Sword frigates.

Is vauls manuver not working for anyone else? it doesnt turn me 180 from where I am.

Also just played a 300 pt game vs an ork battleship with two lvl 6 light cruisers, holy fuck that thing is ridiculous, it just warped in to me and 1 shot both of my ships with broadsides

>>46901719
I have a feeling that this is an accurate depiction of expansion multiplayer.

>cruiser clash
>defending has IN
>against Eldar
>dominator, dauntless mk2 with overloaded void shield
>eldarfag takes a Nova canon shot on his LC
>whines that NC is OP
>moves in for the kill on my dauntlesd
>overload void shield
>knife ear flees to the other side of the map
>eldartears.png

He spent the rest of the game complaining about the holofield nerf and how IN is OP and n00b tier.
Why are eldar players such faggots?

>>46901883
>Why are eldar players such faggots?

>why is water wet

>>46901374

Quick TT question, what's the best way to represent an ambition class RT cruiser?

Of course the RT cruiser stats could work but I don't think the ambition has torpedoes

>>46901883
They are just staying true to their character.

>>46901883
They're roleplaying correctly.

>>46901597
>inb4 this is master plan to bring about the unbirth of Ynnead

>me and my broslice go 2v2
>dual voidstalkers
>both opponents warp out the first time we pulsar
Elf supremacy

>>46902032
Considering Eldrad the Supreme Dickseer General is orchestrating this? I wouldn't be surprised if his endgame was to bone Ynnead and become the father of a new Eldar race. Of course to do that he has to *make* her first, in more ways than one.

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>>46901597
I-I can't...

>>46901922
Dunno, what is an ambition supposed to have?

>>46902146
In RT, it's a chassis you can put other things on. In tabletop, I think they have Rogue Trader fleets/vessels. Probably those.

>>46902171
So, is it like some sorta barge you can outfit with turrets and such?

How is the best way to level my void stalker? have it at 6 atm but people are just running 15 escorts into it hiding like 2 light cruisers in the corner warping out after the escorts die. do people just know they can't win in a head to head fight?

>>46902200
Rogue Trader is an RPG. It's a set hull size you can put weapons, modules, etc on. It even specifies that Ambition-class cruisers tend to be wildly unstandardized.

>>46902260
Aight, so how many hardpoints can it have?
Any turret slots or can they be replaced with augur arrays?
Any torpedo ports or does it only have a prow plasma lance or even a nova cannon, or is it just a armored prow with noting on it?

>>46901922
Maybe a CL like the endevour?
Just remove the str 2 torps and say it's extra cargo space.
I still think the rogue trader cruiser stats cover most rogue trader ship needs.
Or be hard core and use a heavy transport.

Do 2v2 matches ever get bigger than 300points? I barely can take anything with this limit

>>46902383
They do increase as you level up,i got a 400 after i got to level 4ish

>>46902282
It's a chassis. It has like, 60 space or something (I think all cruisers had 60,) and then you have to put engines, crew quarters,life support, gellar fields, reactors, etc etc etc on it. Any leftover space and power can be used for weapons, batteries, launchers, flight decks, whatever.

I think turrets might be the only thing specified on it, but I don't have all my pdfs anymore and can't answer that for you.

>>46902383
No. For some reason 2v2 is 300 points plus some adjustment for level difference, 330 is the highest I've seen.

Needs to go up to 500 desu. Small points games are cool, but it would be nice if both players could field something like a real fleet occasionally.

Any tip for a decent choice for the cruiser class?

>>46902488
Which race idiot

>>46902488
Pick a faction first.

>>46902513
>>46902517
Sorry. IN

>>46902453
The stupid limit just makes everyone to take one battleship and MAYBE one escort. and then eldars just spam anything with pulsar

>>46902534
ok

Want support or brawler?

For support i swear by the Gothic as either a carrier escort/fire support

Brawler well this is more difficult. If you want a nova the dominator with AP. For Torps you have to choose between the Tyrant and Lunar. I prefer the tyrant as all the upgrades help all weapons and the long range can help catch fleeing carriers

>>46902282

It's essentially a standard Lunar style hull but opulent as shit and super customizable. Tends to not have the armored prow though

I think I might just use the rogue trader cruiser stats, it's not like ambitions can't have torpedoes

>>46902626
>brawler
>nova

>>46902576
When I play eldar 2v2 it's basically "have fun trying to counter a voidstalker when you can't bring jack shit" and then I win.

>>46902488
IN have great choice with their Crusiers, and I rate all of them except the Dictator.

Dictator's launch bays are only really useful for protecting you from Chaos bombers. Which is fine if you know you're going to be facing Chaos, but just a waste of gunspace otherwise.

Tyrant and Dominator are your bruisers. They get up close and personal, take a pounding and give out more. Deciding between them is more a case of whether you want Torps and ramming spike, or a Nova cannon, rather than anything to do with the plasma batteries. Nova gives you some range versitility, Torps are more reliable damage.

Lunar and Gothic are your support. Lunar can deal with any situation with its guns: even if it doesn't excel, it'll never be useless. Gothic tears holes in escorts like nobodies business, and pumps out crits on hull, but is definately a backline vessel: the damage is just less than macros.

>>46902645
Compared to a Lunar, an Ambition has slightly less space and armor, but has superior sensors and is a bit more maneuverable. Their weapon hardpoints are identical though.

Honestly the differences between them are minute enough that it wouldn't matter on the tabletop. You could get away with using a Lunar statblock for a model.

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>tfw hitting two eldar ships with one stasis bomb

>>46902750

Yeah I'm just going to use the rogue trader cruiser stats, which are essentially just a Tyrant cruiser anyway. It would be kinda neat to be able to trade the prow armor and torpedoes to be able to count as a transport in game though

>>46902923
Curiously enough, the Tyrant and the Dictator are the only IN cruisers with distinctive statblocks in the system. The Dictator has the excuse of having carrier bays that can't be removed, but the Tyrant is even less different from the Lunar than the Ambition is, the only difference I can see being a whopping 2 more space for components. All the others are just Lunars with different weapons bolted on.

To its credit, the Ambition shouldn't need that rule, as it's not pigeonholed in any one role like an actual transport would. A better vessel for that would be the Conquest.

>>46901922
It has one prow weapon slot, so you can stick torpedoes to it. RT cruiser is probably the best bet because that's literally what it is.

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>Finished one subsector, time to advance to the next one
>Convoy
>Convoy
>Convoy
>5_fucking_convoy_missions

Should I just skip the turn

>>46903055
Save scumming is not a dirty word anon.

>>46903044
>>46903011

Excellent, thanks mates. I never played the RPG a lot but I saw that ship and knew it had to be the one.

Now to pair it up with a junkyard fleet of recommissioned reserve fleet cruisers that go mutinous at precisely the wrong moments and have myself a jolly privateer raiding fleet

hey /bfg/ I was wondering if anyone has the length/width of the chaos and/or imperial ships? I'm attempting to proxy some out of sprue, marine bits and building parts and I want them to be close to accurate size. Thanks in advance.

>>46903151
Ship size doesn't matter, base size does.

>>46903151

As far as gameplay goes, as long as the base size is correct you'll be just fine.

If you just want to make sure it's in scale with your other ships, I'll go measure my cruisers when I'm home from work tonight if the thread is still up

>>46902221
This is what happens when players don't know how to counter eldars, or their main fleet us unavailable.

I have a specific set of cruisers and LC that are outfited for eldar. If one is unavailable or im artacker in a data/assassination mission, then yes, I'll bring the minimum fleet and disengage ASAP. That way I minimize my losses and waste minimum game time that I could spend enjoying a fair fight against any other factions

>>46903194
>>46903255
I know that, but I don't want mine to look out of proportion next to "official" ships

>>46902776
>Imperial Guard Slav regiment

>>46903055
keep your transports in the corner instead of sending them to the other side of the map, and let the enemies die in your defense lines, i always won all the convoy missions by killing all enemies instead of doing the objective

Any advice on the 7th crew point of stalkers/eclipses? I have 3 gunner 3 spirit stones and it's between more troop value or better bombers now.

>>46903376
>gunner on elves
Pointless. You do enough raw damage not to rely on crits, you fire very rarely so you have less opportunity to strike them, and you need your orders off cooldown so you can run silent in the fuckoff phase.

>destroy opponent after opponent without even losing an escort

>match against an Ork
>fires his red buttons in such a way that I cannot even evade anymore
>half of my fleet in shambles within the first few seconds of the fight

Well fuck.

>>46903055
I have no qualm rerolling mission by save scumming.

>>46901883
They just act according to fluff

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>1v1
>my IN vs Eldar scum on Data Retrieval
>I'm defending
>my ships all hit silent running, cloaking everything except my Retribution with the data on it
>Eldar thinks he's hot shit and burns straight towards me
>get a scout on him with the augur probe
>time it fucking PERFECTLY
>stasis bomb just behind his Voidstalker
>Microwarp jump my retribution immediately in front of it, crashing him into the side of the Retribution
>my previously stealthed cruisers, all with Adeptus Astartes favours and maximum ratings microwarp in as well
>in just under three seconds, he's locked in a stasis field, getting broadsided by a battleship and four cruisers with Imperial Fists playing whack-a-mole on his engines

anyone have any recommendations for getting transport ship models for TT? I see some pretty good looking clones on shapeways but theyre a bit pricey. If anyone has gotten them before and liked them then I might pick some up

>>46904083
How do I fight this erection your greentext gave me.

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Delicious obliteration of Heresy

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>tfw you ram an ork player's last cruza into a minefield with your tyrant

delicious greenskin tears as i outplay them at their own game

>>46904083
I don't think I understand how to properly utilize microjumps. If I got it right you can only jump into a place where no enemies are, so I only ever use it to dodge torpedo salvos that would have caught me in the face otherwise

>Orks make up for their lack of ship options by being super kustomisable!
>there's literally only two options on every ship
>all of which are variations of the same close range gun

>>46904503
Orks are all about having fun with the red button anyway
Who needs Dakka when you can ram

>>46904158
>Lunar
Good man.

Am I just bad or is Chaos shit? I try playing long range with my 12k range lances but I'm always rushed down and then have to go full panic just to try and keep my ships alive.

>>46904638
Chaos is fucking fantastic. Combine lances with carriers and use terrain and Tzeentch to be an infuriating faggot who can't fight like man.
Don't fucking deploy in a blob like a loyalist.

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>>46904116
>use firestorm armada ships
>build your own transports from bits

>>46904638
S T A S I S B O M B S

>>46904712

I actually have like 9 of the old Sorylian escorts, I was just thinking of using them as alien allies though

Then again they could be alien merchants

>>46902745
With Refined Lenses the Gothic can hit out to 12k with 100% accuracy and no damage drop off. It's much easier to focus fire with them because you don't need to micro them to close range. You do give up the nova cannon for it.

Does anyone feel like joining me for 2v2?

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>>46904739
These guys?
Looks 2gunny4me but cover the gunports with a strip of plasticard and it will work.
If you meant the older rounder models the same applied to them.
Sorylian ships are really sexy, I'd do a proxy IN force of them if I hadn't already got the original models.

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>>46904554

I like the Lunar class- it is pretty good at everything.

>>46904543
It's misleading to say that ork ships have more variety when in actual fact they have less than everyone else. They just don't get different ship classes.

I wanted crazy ork gubbinz and do-wotz, which is why i'm a little butthurt

>>46904638
>or is Chaos shit?

Chaos can be pretty good, you just need to micromanage a lot.
Some fucker earlier today managed to do quite some damage to my cruiser with his escort because he always staid out of range (until I got him in the end)

>>46904674
>Don't fucking deploy in a blob like a loyalist.
Maybe that's my problem. I try for these fancy formations but don't split my forces. I also always get destroyed when I'm defending in a convoy mission.

>>46904882

Nah the even OLDER ones that just look like ribbed tubes with wings.

>>46904960
what is the bad moonz favor
what is boarding torpedoes
what is the evil sunz favor

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>>46904901
spoiler that shit

this is a blue board

>>46904674
>>Don't fucking deploy in a blob like a loyalist.

>deploy my IN fleet somewhat spread
>fill the whole screen with torpedos right away
>pull back to one fleet before we engage
>pretty much guaranteed hits with the torpedo salvo

>>46905065
L I N E
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>play against Ork
>he activates the cogitators whenever he wants to ram me

Thanks bro. He didn't land a single hit.

How do i write to allies in multiplayer?

>>46905059

Spoilering Purging is Heresy.

>enemies keep just constantly warping out
Reeee, stay close and fight like a man. Or mutant. Or mushroom.

>>46904405
Thing is as greenskins I never get mad when I brawls with IN cause It's an actual fun match where I don't spend the entire time chasing you down.

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>>46904999
It might be. Chaos thrives on ambushes and sensor warfare. You have a very solid brawler in the Slaughter and an elf repellent in the Carnage, but ideally you want to whittle the enemy down by striking from many directions with your flyers and lances, and then finish them off with your brawler or just close in with the lance boats to board.
To do that you need to deploy and move in a way that makes finding and chasing you effectively as awkward as possible. Consider Tzeentch, navigational shields, and camo.

>>46905065
>fighter screen

>>46904999
Oh, which does remind me. The first thing you do after the match begins is launch your fucking fighters.

>>46905127
You don't

Just met my first legitimately gud Eldar player.

That ended my win streak pretty handily.

Barely even damaged the fucker.

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>2v2
>chaos vs orks
>i'm level 2
>all my light cruisers are destroyed/lost in the warp
>gotta use my carnage and 3 escorts
>the other chaos guy takes his desolator
>we both rush forward
>he's brawling with the ork cruisers while i'm shooting their asses
>he somehow manages to die without destroying a single ork ship
>only my cruiser is left against 3 ork cruisers and 6 escorts
>nearly destroy one cruiser before warping out
>tfw lost 11 games in a row

How do I have fun in this game?

>>46905842
You need to stop playing as the heretic scum, and join the ranks of the glorious Imperial Navy.

>Fight the Sword of Sacrilege on a cruiser clash mission
It spent the whole mission watching me destroying it's fleet from his cloud and finally fought me when he was alone.
Easy win.

>that mission where you have to defend the crippled inquisition ship
>wave 1 is easy enough
>wave 2 has almost equal points to your fleet
>wave 3 is way larger than yours

Is this one of those missions you are supposed to fail?

>silly mon'keigh you won't catch
and then he proceeded to boost into my off-mark nova cannon. thank the emprah.

>>46906044
Stasis bomb, Taunt, Void Shield transfer, etc

>>46906044
You can.

I thought the way they're going about branching the campaign is kinda clever, tbphwyaf.

>Play against Eldar scum
>My boyz are ready for some rammin'
>2 Escorts show up
>Ram my escort into 1
>Instantly destroyed
>My boyz bounce off of their ship
>Directly into the other escort
>Instantly blows up
>Rammah boyz die too
A moment of WAUGH for some gud and propah boyz. They weren't a bunch of gitz.

>>46906122
>Void Shield transfer
Doesn't work. In hindsight, I should have brought the other stuff though. It was really close, too.

>>46906148
dey waaaaughed so hard they ran out of foightan to have
tru boyz

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>>46906092
Happened with me once too, bruv.

The Emprah indeed protects!

>>46905842
V O I D S T A L K E R

Haven't lost a single mission in the campaign on normal, have only 8 planets lost and I'm on turn 25. Is it me somehow choosing the wrong battles, or does Chaos have offscreen competence boost? Because I've already lost 3 blackstone fortresses.

>>46906092
I have yet to score a hit with my NC. Even when the enemy fields mostly escorts and this has a shitton of ships in a single spot it still manages to shoot somewhere else.

>>46905842
You lost that game because your ally was bad and didn't play as a team. Either play 2v2 with a friend on skype, or stick to 1v1. And if obvious tactics aren't working for you, innovate. Try something different, even if it sounds like a dumb idea. It can hardly make you worse at the game, right?

>>46906450
it's just luck. had to restart the mission 3 times because i terribly suck at strategy games and at 10 seconds out the emperor finally heard my prayers.

also get more nova cannons. if you throw enough of them at the enemy they are bound to hit sometime.

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>>46906044
Just ram them all to hell. You just need to keep them away from the Retribution, and they run straight at it.

Stasis-ing them inside the battleship's broadside is funny as hell as well.

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>>46906450
Accuracy improves the closer you're aiming it. At max range it's a die roll, at min range it's a shotgun blast of awesome.

I forgot to take a picture, but did anyone else notice that some of the AI allies in the campaign have ships named after the famous ships of the gothic sector from the main rulebook?

>>46906044

Are you playing on normal? Frankly this and the asteroid field escort were super easy with just a tyrant and three sword frigates. You'll out DPS the enemy horribly since they're chaos ships who really want to close range with that retribution for some reason.

>>46906044
Just worry about the first two waves. Horst will warp out not long after the third spawns, so it's just a matter of making sure he has enough health to tank them for a bit. So long as the Pillar is above half hull integrity when they arrive, you've pretty much won.

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Halp

He had three Nova Cannons

Three fucking Nova Cannons

Fucking accurcacy by volume pushed my shit and crippled me

>>46907137
>Admiral Ua Brian

Can't tell if you're Irish or just a ck2 fan

>>46907137
Guess your next match will be fought with escorts

What happens if all your line ships are destroyed and you don't have the renown to repair one?

>>46907701
escort spam can be lethal if used right, some guy wiped the floor with me and a mate doing it

>>46907821
Escort time

>>46907357
schiltrom and caber had me thinking scottish

At any rate, use more escorts, they're pretty sweet.

>>46907137
I'm running all-Bloox Orkz. Having five to six novas on the field is fucking hilarious, even if, on average, one blows up every time I line up a salvo.

>>46907881
Don't you need at least one line ship to play a match?

>>46907898
You get a substitute ship.

>>46907357
Both, actually

Fleet painter fucking when, I want my Tanith/Drookian fleet already

Is it possible to go beyond 12000 yards on weapon ranges with upgrades? I just got an Overlord Battlecruiser and wondering if I should make it even more long range.

>>46908131
My Acheron hits out to 15k with lances. So yeah, but you can't set the engagement range to 15 so you have to micro the bastard.

>>46908012
we are much alike, anon

>>46908012
I'm just ready for my eldar to not look shit green with the blown up thorn pattern.

Where are the marines you fucking lazy french faggots?

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>Defending in an assassination mission and warp out.

YOUR SHIP HAS BEEN LOST IN THE WARP

>Attacking in data recovery as orks against eldar
Talk about impossible.

What IN Battlecruiser should I pick for what?

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>that immeasurably smug feel when your entire fleet is Tzeentch favored and all your ships are immune to asteroid fields

>>46908784
Mars is a good jack of all trades long range BC because you get the nova and the hangars, Overlord is for close range brawling.

>>46908851
doing the dark gods work frogfriend

I find the urge to take as many carrier chaos ships as possible impossible to resist. I wish I could take more fucking Hellbringers and just flood the map with my cheap macro turrets and ordnance. Treat this shit like a modern naval commander's wet dream with bombers fucking everywhere.

>>46909113
This

>>46908851
>>46909113

senpai, that's what my fleet mostly consist of. it's just endless bombers and assault boats and kiting fags around asteroid fields.

>>46909103

GRANT US THE POWER OF THE CHAOS GODS, GREAT ONE....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JrtFazaS7g

>>46909153
The only thing I imagine I'd have a hard time dealing with is Eldar because they have an ability to just spawn fighters so that could wind up shutting me down but other than that I've won more battles without a casualty by just playing like Halsey and bombing the shit out of heavy ships at range with overwhelming bombers.

>>46908679
In an assassination match my admiral ship insubordinated before the warp timer ended and I won.

>>46909190

my nigga...

normally id swap out carrier ships for something with more boom to it and just hug the asteroids and lure the smelldar into my web of molestation.

>>46907821
You get a level one substitute light cruiser.

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The game takes place inside a alternate reality right?
Then why it didn't allow me to kill him?!

>tfw hitting a void stalker with a taunt and then stasis
>tfw every ship instantly unloads everything it has on him
>tfw he still escapes

well at least we won that way

I ordered a bunch of ships from Aliexpress on April 6, and then decided that I might as well have a 750 point ork fleet too (had to get a terror ship on eBay) so I ordered some orky stuff on the 9th. Both packages arrived today (I'm in California). I’m at work so no pics yet, but they were well packed in surprisingly sturdy boxes packed full of bubble wrap. The Repulsive looks much sharper than my metal GW mini that was missing some wingtip detail. There are a couple of bubbles marring a Dauntless weapon battery piece.

On a previous AdMech order, the really thin bridge pieces were too thin and warped because of it, and the prows were a little twisted but I don’t know how good the originals were. I didn’t get any AdMech this time.

This resin sure does smell, though.

>start fighters
>run while you wait for the cooldown
>start fighters
>run while you wait for the cooldown

Man, I don't think Chaos is the right faction for me, this is pretty boring

Emperor or Retribution?

>>46909373

Because Admiral Spire never dies no matter how many times you lose your assassination missions either

When will they put a fucking formation button into the game

>>46910044


Tabletop: Oberon or apocalypse

In game: kind of a wash, the retribution is pretty neat with its plasma batteries now but the emperor is still a good super carrier and detector. Really fucking slow though

>>46910044
Emperor is completely useless in like half the missions because of 112 speed.

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Hey, Eldar, c'mere. I just wanted to know, have you heard the Good Word of the God Emperor of Mankind?

And then they lost the Assassination mission.

>>46910177
tfw I won with a bunch of chaos lights against eldar cruisers on assassination by ramming it at the end

FOR THE DAWRK GODZ

>>46910103
Is the retribution faster? I assumed speed was dictated by tonnage.

>>46910361
Retribution is 150, just like the cruisers. Speed is mostly influenced by TT speeds, although the devs have taken some liberties.

>>46910361
Ret is 152 speed, Emp is 112.

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My brethren Chaos players.

I had thought I was alone here because so many more people love playing Orks and IN.

Lost in the Warp is some obnoxious fucking shit

>>46910651
i named my gothic cruiser "The Lost in Warp"
it's been there so many times i'm starting to wonder if it's not doing it on purpose
maybe should call the inquisition to take a look

>>46910651
Die instead of fleeing. During the beta, got enough renown that I would just repair everything

>>46910619
I like the Imperial Navy the most, but I really like having so many carrier bays. Hellbringers a best.

/v/fag here. Is there a book on the Gothic War?

>>46910816
Execution Hour, Shadowpoint, and one other I think.

Gothic is by far my favorite IN cruiser.
>lance volley
>Terminator lightning strike

>>46910816
Execution Hour was pretty good. Shadow Point was weak (not terrible, but the sort of book you could put down and forget about), and they never finished the trilogy. There were two short stories, too. I haven't read them.

>>46904822
Gothic with Lance Range Boost is 9k no 12k. At least last time I checked.

Having just faced my first eldar player worth a shit it was probably the most boring game of ring around the rosie I've ever had the displeasure of playing.

>>46911011
>Terminator lightning strike

Unless you've got the upgrade that bumps it to 3 actions you'd be much better off using boarding pods. You're getting 4 actions with the SM upgrade since cruisers and battle cruisers have three actions on pod which gets upgraded to four with the SM favor.

>playing vs orks in convoy
> 600 pts so standard 1 battleship 2 battlecruiser
>wipe his first cruiser, he is confused and didnt realize I was level 8
>about to wipe his last transport ship and he warp jump BRBs at my stalker
>lolk use free evade to dodge
>he traktors me back and I take 800 and lose it but win the mission
>"why you gotta be like that"
>"because you killed my fleet"

Fair enough capt ork man

>>46908949
>Overlord is for close range brawling.
It has 12k batteries and lances. It can fight at any range. Love Overlords.

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>tfw 15k range lance despoiler

>>46911428
capable of despoiling at any time, from anywhere

so just unlocked my battlecruiser slot for chaos, should I get a max range lancy lance boi
orrrrr, should I have a styx for maximum carrier antics.
its a hard choice anons

> playing vs orks as IN
> things go fairly standard until catastrophic failure to dodge boarding torpedos
> most weapons destroyed on all my ships
> ram the vile xenos fleet
> die gloriously in the name of the Emperor


Yeah, boarding torpedos are a pain

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>>46911633
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>>46911633
Styx then acheron, both are good, just remember to leave the acheron at home vs eldar

Could someone give me advice on a fun chaos fleet composition?
I started one admiral and got to rank 7 taking lances at every opportunity and upgrading them to 15k range but despite winning nearly every game it just wasn't any fun to play like that.

>>46912020
Carriers plus macro-storm is pretty fun for me.
You can always sprinkle in a few lances here and there.

>>46912020
Favors: Nurgle, slaanesh, khorne. All slaughter or murder cruisers. Styx BC for swarming strikecrafts. Short range bruisers. you'll be fragile, but nurgle dot+slaanesh moral debuff and khorne boarding will be painful for anyone you run into.

>>46912168
Is the slaughter actually good? I'm not sure why but I was under the assumption that its twin linked batteries were shit.

>>46912540
They're basically combined macros and lances, I think. Sweet broadsides.

How do I into Eldar?

>>46904116
i got some from bridage models.
a bit simple in detailing but crazy cheap and good enough for an occasional mission requirment mini.

>>46913004
click to move
click on them to activate autocast pulsars
activate free 180 degree turn
activate boost
repeat
???
profit

Stick with them until you get to 8 because the battleship and battlecruisers are by far the best ships.

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Just started playing, but BFG:Armada is pretty fucking fun, if a bit infuriating at times.
>they manage to warp away from this
>a single macro broadside would have blown them up

Just got a BC for orks, really only 2 kustom points? Anyways whats a good set up I'm thinking brawling with double heavy kannons but I don't have a Zap gun on any cruisers yet.

How is "fleet matinence" for req calculated at the end of the game?

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hmm, is the best option for the styx mark of khorne? slaanesh seems too gimicky withouta full set, i doub't i'd ever get nurgle to go off due to it being a carrier. and tzeentch idk. its just tzeentchy

>>46913912
Tzeentch seems like the default for something you don't want to be in melee. Slaanesh at least lets you CC someone and disengage. Nurgle is a mild discouragement from getting too close, Khorne doesn't affect assault boats but will at least increase resistance to the same...

>>46910816
>>46910902
>>46911034
Execution Hour was really good. Shadow point was still en enjoyable read overall and the epilogue describing the Batle of Gethsemane was really fucking good.

Incident at Stranivar and Wolf Pack were White Dwarf-tier short stories.

>>46913985
the upgraded lightning strike is quite amazing though from khorne, though I can see the appeal of tzeentch

>>46914315
anyone got a dl?

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Stupid AI or BEST Ork AI, you be the judge.

>>46912168
>murder

Not even once. Take the Carnage.

>>46912540
Slaughter is basically a Lunar that trades the prow and torpedoes for being as fast as a freakin' light cruiser. Yeah, it's pretty damn good.

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>>46914393
Second part.

>>46914335
There's a huge torrent of all kinds of 40k novels out there including the whole thing. Just google it.

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Finally tried vauls manuver on autocast, holy shit is it broken. Just played orks and only took damage from chain taunts.

>>46903293
>>46903151
Just measured the lenths of my imperial fleet minis, not including the ram spikes on cruiser and BB

destroyer 3cm
frigate 4.5 cm
cruiser 9cm
battleship 13cm

>>46914452
You're a saint. do you have the widths of them as well?

>>46914673
sorry I'm justbon my way too work now. i can give those when i get back. But from memory the destroy and frigate are only about .5cm wide plus the wings.
Cruiser is 1.5-2 cm with the rear engine Cluster and super structure a bit bigger. Battleship is only a little bigger than a cruiser on its gun decks, though it's taller and the rear superstructure is significantly wider and taller, probably 3cm ish wide and 4 ish tall plus wing and fin like bits ontop of that.

>>46914765
Thanks a ton, height seems about 3 cm on battle ships, 2 cm on cruisers and 1 cm on frigates?

Should I take AP shells for Overlord or keep them increase range?

>>46915132
It depends on the rest of the upgrades and the favour you plan to throw on it. If you don't then make it tanky as fuck it won't survive for long enough to put those AP macros to good use against orks at 3k range.

>Be in traffic, front of the lane, waiting for the damn light to change

>Suddenly, to my left I see a black spray-painted Honda Civic cross the intersection

>It's filled with Ozzfest and Black Sabbath bumper stickers

>The taint of chaos can be felt even inside my Nissan Rogue light cruiser

>ACTIVATE TACTICAL COGITATORS

>FULL SPEED AHEAD

>Perfect contact, instantly take out the fucker's engines

>Gonna have to visit Port Maw after that one

>Arrive home, ignore the screams of the wife

>Few can understand the sacrifices that must be made in the name of the Emperor

Building a 750 pt chaos list and 750 pt Imperial list to fight against each other on the TT, how do these two list look:
>Chaos
>Styx, Chaos Warmaster (ld 8)
>Slaughter
>Slaughter
>2x Infidel class raider

>Imperium
>Mars, Fleet Admiral
>Dauntless
>Dauntless
>3x Cobra frigates
>3x Firestorm frigates

>>46912540
In fluff, they're considered one of the most dangerous ships you can encounter for their size, because they hit like a truck yet handle drive like a sports car. They can kill anything they can catch and they can outrun anything they can't.

early game eldar are really bad and end game eldar are OP as fuck. How could they have screwed this up so badly.

>>46914393
>>46914412
orks gonna ork

>>46915411
Fragile and agile is hard to balance- if you make it slower, then the ships are toast- if you make the ship faster- it is cheesy,

Eldar needs the most micro-management- but if possible can become strong


It is basically a race meant to be played by koreans

>>46915411
you can hit and run pulsars from the first ship, people just don't realize it until they get upgrades and have the better ships already.

>>46915464
>It is basically a race meant to be played by koreans

This is a joke right? I can make a 30 second guide on late game eldar for retards.

step 1: build your fleet right, minimum: pulsar range upgrades, some detection and vauls manuver. Set everything to autocast if you're a retard (you are).

step 2: move toward the enemy and dodge hazards.

step 3: right click to autocast pulsars.

step 4: after they fire, click 180 degrees away to auto turn and run.

step 5: dont be a retard and shoot at impenetrable shields, and watch out for stasis bombs, tractor beams and slanesh ships.

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is level 8 max ship captain level still?

>>46915244
They're unconventional lists in that they don't play to the usual strengths (Imperial armor and Chaos range) And encourage splitting your fleet instead of using a line. But that's fine.

I'm a little worried about the IN fleet; Dauntlesses in TT are hard to use. They're best in pairs, but they should be the same kind. If they're torpedo Dauntlesses, then switch the Firestorms to Swords for the L/F/R fire arc. Or were you going to run one with the Firestorms and one with the Cobras? Honestly that could work.

Chaos will be fine.

>>46915527
>>46915464

solaris are neat but cant trade like eclipse and void stalkers later can. Especially not against dauntless mirror matches.

>>46915737

and by solaris I mean auroras. Derp. Same with hemlock spam. The first pass will do plenty of damage but you wont out-trade imperials or orks. Chaos is a wash. Void stalkers and eclipse are where that play style really start working since you have big ships that can afford to take some hits but dish out proportionally more pulsar damage.

>>46915685
I was going to run one with each escort squadron for the IN. I could probably redo the IN fleet, do double lunar and a dictator/dominator, then fill in with swords/cobras.

>>46915679
Ships go to 10. Admirals go to 8.

Holy shit the ork hulk is cool.

>>46915527
Thanks!

Maybe we should get a 1d4chan article with this sort of stuff like we have for The Last Stand.

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>>46916011
Tell me about it.

>>46915797
Dunno, I don't want advice to result in everyone using the same old ships. In theory, they should play well with similarly armed escorts. Only trouble is you don't have much that can absorb shots, especially since the Mars' range doesn't encourage it to play that role. So just add normal cruisers if you start playing larger games.

>>46916277
As long as you don't go to the Orland GW you'll be fine. I just don't want the fleets to be imbalanced and show off the strengths of the factions.

>>46913527
Don't worry anon, in the next game you'll get the chance to win a convoy mission by ramming some eldar gits WITH YOUR TRANSPORTS and you'll feel much better

Heavily invested into a zzap fleet

>>46917353
How's that going I'm deep into a brawler heavy kannons build myself.

>>46917379
I did that then I fought eldar

Never again

>>46917381
See, that's why you don't take goffs on errything, however tempting that may be.

So, is the Devastation worth it as a Carrier, or should I concentrate on Carnage/Slaughters?

>>46917393
Wouldn't brawler cannons be perfect against Eldar? Just support them with some control abilities/bad moons/red sunz to tie them up

>>46917393
I'm level 8 and I haven't bought a favour yet

Considering re-branding for brawl + everyone has a nova cannon

What is the maximum amount of upgrades you can put on an Imperial ship?

Is there any kind of Tau ship good for indirect warfare (missile spam, submarine-like raids vs convoys, hiding etc) or are they all meant to operate within a Carrier/Missile Battlegroup?

Playing chaos against eldar is painful. I can counter those knife eared fucks as every other faction but not with these spiky gits.
Also screw the inconoclast for having the biggest turn radius in the galaxy.

The amount of retards who dont know how to deal with an eldar battleship in 2v2 is astounding, literally the easiest battleship to kill and yet they still warp out and complain in chat after the first pulsar blast. Fucking tards

>>46917487

Eldar's worst enemy is the Carnage class.

>>46917490
So how do you kill it?

>>46917487
Chaos escorts suck balls, don't bother with them.

>>46917527
Attaching a sensor to it, chain taunting it, assault ships

>>46917543
Also hiding in clouds, widowmakers

>>46917512
No, Eldar's worst enemy is 15 Savage-class escorts with range upgrades

Literally out-glass-cannoned

>>46913912
I just mark everything for khorne because I find it works best against eldar.

So, is packing a fuck-ton of escorts and brawlers close together with lighting strikes on auto-launch the best way to deal with Eldar?

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>>46917568
Unless you are chaos.

Honestly, I have more problems with the Orks than with the Eldar. These Traktor rays and resilient ships are a bitch.

Zzap fleet going well

>1600 renown to give a favor to a BB

hmm

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VOID COMBAT STRATEGY
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Is it me or there's nothing but Cruiser Clashes right now. Also, where are the Solar Flares and other Space weirdness?

>>46917753
Are people complaining about the other game types on their forums? If so maybe they upped cruiser clash because of that.
Almost every single assassination, planetary assault or data recovery I've played since launch has included my opponent bitching about the game type right from the deployment phase.

>>46917753

There are assassination and breakthroughs. What I have yet to see are Space Station and Convoy ones.

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>tfw NC hits perfectly over maximum distance
>not once but twice
I bet he shat his pants.

>>46917806
I remember this one time when my NC's decided to fuck one enemy battlecruiser up royally, they both kept on constantly hitting him and i ultimately told him that "im sorry dude, i wasn't even half the time aiming at that ship, looks like it's just attracting nova cannon shots".

Best favor for Eldar pulsar spamming fleets?

>>46917768
Also you only get cruiser clashes at low levels. It now introduces other game types as you progress.

>>46917837
SH if you're gud. Alaitoc if not really.

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Rehashing the old joke.

What is it that makes Chaos escorts the worst ones?

>>46917845
Oh, and you might want Biel-Tan cruisers for that sweet sweet kinslaying since elves laugh at pulsars.

BFG more like Bad Fucking Game lmao

>it's another "your teammate is a Chaos player and he just kind of floats around on the edge of the map and tickles them with shitty lances while you get absolutely buttfucked 2v1" episode

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>Ramming a traitor CL with my cruiser, the momentum pushes it into another Chaos CL.
>The second CL detonates, destroying the first one (both had almost no health left: infact I was trying to ram the second ship, which had an almost empty hp bar, but the first one got in the way).
>MFW destroying two traitor scum with a single ram.
>Heretic get BTFO.

>>46917876
Show me on the model where they brought death to your primitive.

>>46917869
Imo, there just isn't any niche they could fill.
The imperial ones are pretty tanky, the ork ones range from tanky to shooty to killy and the eldar ones range from utterly useless to BY THE EMPEROR, WHY DID MY ENTIRE AFT JUST FALL OFF!?.

Compared to those, the chaos ones lack health, killy guns, shooty guns and are essentially just shittier versions of Imperial escorts.

>>46917896
Was that an attempt at a sentence?

>>46917422
No.

It's a Hellbrigner that pays extra points to trade in speed for toughness and a broadside lance battery. Just take a Slaughter for fast attacks and two Carnages for general marocannon brawling and pissing off Eldar.

>>46917895
There is something almost sexual, and certainly satisfying on some reptile brain level about IN.

When should I use assault boats and when should I use bombers?

So how do I get my binds to actually work?

For instance, I bound my favor skill to Mouse 4, but whenever I do it, it activates my favor and my thrusters.

>>46917924
I run twin Slaaneshi Slaughters on the brawling/anti elf detail. Fun, horrifyingly effective AND lore-friendly!

>>46917953
Also, what are Pulsars counted as under the control bindings?

I'm trying to git gud

>>46917949
Use bombers when enemy ship has better troop value than yours and assault boats when your arms men can punch their teeth in.

So what will be the favours for the Necrons, Tyranids, Tau, Dark Eldars, and Adeptus Mechanicus?

>>46917973

Dynasties, hivefleets, castes,???, forgeworlds

What are the best skills and upgrades for Carnage and Slaughter?

>>46917970
>attacker troop value matters
Sounds like somene has a crude grasp, at best, of void combat strategy.

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>opponent collides from a perpendicular course with the rear of my murder cruiser with his hellbringer
>murder cruiser spins around 180 degrees, with the prow smacking the tail of the hellbringer as it passes and destroying it

>>46917962
Khorne is best.
Slaanesh a shit.

>>46917993
Khorne is shittier muhreens. There, I said it.

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>>46917973

Fire Caste: Coldstars with Meltas and Breachers Troops.

>>46917983
Really it should logically be septs since all Tau voidsmen are air, but the fact there's 4 makes it too good to pass

Earth caste will get a free upgrade and some kinda bigger gun, air caste will be like the Imperial Navy, Water Caste will be like Slaanesh, and Fire caste will give +10 troop and a pathfinder lightning strike team

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>>46917999

>>46918004
It'd work better as septs. Farsight Enclaves: be the Ork you always knew you could be.

>>46917987
Slaughter benefits from instant maneuver refill, better turning, macrocannons count armor at 25%, maneuvers not revealing, and extra lightning strike.

>>46917999
Muhreens make your ships look like piss. Khorne is superior.

>>46918031

>Not wanting to fly around in ships painted with literal gold

Which ship compartment do you guys normally cripple first?
I personally enjoy killing the engines because once those are gone the ship might as well warp out, at least if it happens early in the battle

>>46918017
>>46918015

Now that I think of it, how many Tau ships can bring "Drone ships". How would you represent it?

>>46918054
Ordnance. The systems are already there in the IN favour as well as existing squadron skills.

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>>46918046
Amen brudda!

>>46918046
Gold trim is cool. Gold as the primary color with black trim looks awful.

>>46918051
generator, always generator

>>46918051
Generators because Chaos. I can maintain my range at 6-9 k easily already, so the only obstacles on the way to victory are getting LIGHTNIIIG STRUUUUUCK and shields stopping the rave. Blowing the generator takes care of both.

>Always was a EC fag
>Want to have a Slaaneshii fleet
>tfw it's shit

Or maybe it's the whole chaos faction that is underpowered at the moment. IDK, feels like I take way too much damage and deal way to little in return. It's also pretty infuriating to be outranged by IN novacanons and torpedo spam when you are supposed to be the "ranged" faction.

>>46918051
Generator for most, sometimes engines against orks.

>>46918077
Battle brother, do you even fist? But then again, Khorne cannot into space seeing as in space everyone is better at foightin'.

>>46918090
Meanwhile, Operation Space Pride Parade is progressing nicely. Slaanesh is best, right next to Tzeentch. Chaos is not the 'ranged' faction, it's the versatile faction. Adapt and be the bighest dick you cam possibly be.

WHAT FUCKING KEY IS BOUND TO SKILL ONE I'VE TRIED EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THING IN THE CONTROLS AND NONE OF THEM WORK

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>46918142
HONHONHONHON

>>46918031

What about the Carnage?

Despoiler or Desolator?

>>46918144
QUIT MEMEING ME AND HELP BEFORE I SHOOT UP THE NEXT TOURNY AT MY LOCAL COMIC STORE

>>46917459
>Is there any kind of Tau ship good for indirect warfare (missile spam, submarine-like raids vs convoys, hiding etc) or are they all meant to operate within a Carrier/Missile Battlegroup?
The latter. The Tau have a combined arms sort of thing going on. They also have some of the cheapest escorts in the game at 25 and 30 points.

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>tfw Dauntless with Brace for Impact rams an Eldar Battleship

>>46918054
Drones would be ordinance yeah. Drone fighters, bombers etc. The question is how do you make them different from the Eldar, who already do the fish swimming hit and run fast and shooty shit.

what would you say the best upgrades for escorts are?

200 per seems really fuckin expensive.

Too bad you can't upgrade power prows onto your dauntless

>>46918220
It depends on the race/escourt. For example, with Orks, you want to give your savage kannonships even nigga gunz (armor red at 3k) and laugh as they chew through everything like rotweilers. You want to give your onslaughts range or grot targetters so they can help chase Eldar. You want your brutes to have boosted engines so they can chase down weedy fucks

>>46918220
armour piercing for any macro, maybe the asteroid field one.

>>46918220
They're handy, though. Savages with nigga gunz and asteroid immunity are great fun to set ambushes up in belts, for example.

It really does depend on the specific escort and your fleet composition.

>>46918207
Make them light escorts their carrier can release once during battle, at which point they behave exactly like escorts of other races.

>accidently execute a warp jump while launching torpedos
>mouse somehow wont let me

what the actual fuck is this a game mechanic or do I need a new mouse?

>>46918158
Just look at the options you triple Salamander.

>>46918245
>>46918250
>>46918279
I'mwanting to come up with some nasty anti-eldar escorts (IN)

>enemies HP so low you don't even see the green bar anymore
>two fires on board
>bomb beneath their ass about to go off
>they fuck off into the warp
How I hate it when that happens

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Plague fleet Y/N/NIGGA WHY?

>>46918408
Check your keybindings, unless you click your abilities.

>>46918414
No shit, senpai.

I'm tried LITERALLY every key. None of them work.

The "technical skill n*x" keys all activate my all ahead full, but not my skills.

I've given up and assumed it's just another game breaking bug in a long list of game breaking bugs.

>>46918421
Swords, macro range, cogitator link.
Logic: elves have 25 armour anyway, so AP is not needed. Lock On increases accuracy at all ranges, so no need for the targetting cogitators, and also increases crit chance, to which the elves are already extra vulnerable to.
I run a similar setup with my Iconoclasts, and it does work with them. Swords are superior on most fronts, so i don't see any issues.

>>46918449
Reset bindings to default, rebind manually, get a refund if it sticks. Shit's not rocket science.

>>46918434
Yes and then get macro cannons.

Go to 3K range and enjoy providing everyone with space AIDS.

>>46918434
Why do I find this arousing?

It's not a bad idea. The extra manpower will make lightning strikes less effective which is always good for chaos. The proximity damage won't suddenly turn your fleet into cqc brawlers but it will give you you better odds when you get up close and personal.

I'm not sure its worth investing solely in Nurgle favours though

>>46918471
Double Carnage is indeed the plan. Maybe one Murder to lance carriers.

I sh MP and skirmish used the same admirals

>>46918487
>sh
*wish

No idea where the rest of the word ended up

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>>46918421
something that shoots a lot of times then anon
personally I'd say just use carriers

>>46918466
>Reset bindings to default, rebind manually
Done that at least a dozen times

>get a refund if it sticks
Too late for that, but I am done with this game until they fix the retarded amount of bugs.

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>>46918484
I'm thinking along the lines of taking two Carnages and an Acheron or a Murder, and alternating between fishing for lance crits (with cogitator link and the lance crit upgrade while locked on) from a distance and using superior speed to macro enemy carriers and support vessels with the Carnages. I'm not looking for optimal gosu ladder strats, but a way to make the theme work.

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>>46917717
VOID COMBAT STRATEGY

Seriously, they have the best manoeuvrability in the game. Are they just programmed to suicide on Normal or something?

>>46917874
Nothing is funnier than launching an Avatar of Khaine into another Eldar ship
>God of Murder

>>46918614
they probably just have the same standard programming that all the other races have, so they dont really make full use of the mobility and maneuverability.

>>46918614
They pull the same shit on Hard, too. I think they're just suicidal because all their qt3.14 farseers are going off with strong Mon Keigh men.

>>46918614
>>46918626
Played against Eldar in skirmish mode a bunch of times and yeah, it feels like the AI plays the Eldar just like Orks or IN. They always get super close and don't really dodge anything, easiest matches since you can obliterate them in seconds.

The only race where the AI seems to play significantly different is chaos.

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>>46918614
AI doesn't recognise mines as a threat.

>>46918566
Go for it, sure. Personally I'd bring an LC with slaanesh favours to disable one of the enemies heavy hitters long enough to swarm it, but that's just me.

>>46918652
http://forum.battlefleetgothic-armada.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2736


PATCH INC!

>>46917949
Depends how many turrets they have left (which is basically the same as their health).

When they're fresh, send in Bombers to whittle them down.
When they're below 50%, send in Boats for the kill.
If you're unsure what to do, send Bombers. Some damage is better than nothing.

Adjust depending on enemy fleet.
Eldar, you really should just be loading up on Macros. But if you have some carriers anyway, send boats earlier for party time.
Orks, just bomb into submission. It's not like they can catch you.

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>>46918663
>In Space Station assault, the defender now has 600 Fleetpoints.
I'm surprised it took us this long to get here.

>battle starts
>kill the engine and generator on his cruiser pretty much right away

Damn that must have been annoying for him.

>>46917949
I fuckin never use bombers.

Crit > straight up chip damage.

Knocking out someone's engines or shield gens once every 45~ seconds is crazy.

>>46918663
So small eldar nerfs, and then pretty big eldar buffs via bug fix on vaul's maneuver. Neat.

>>46918051
Depends on enemy and mission.
Engines is default, so I can catch them/run away.
Generator on all data/assassin missions.
Generator on Eldar, to reduce Holos.
Generator if I am Eldar, to stop Lightning.

>>46918696
Or you can take a guaranteed escort kill every 45 seconds, and a CL crippled or killed with the same interval if you concentrate your strikes. The thing with boats is that they're unreliable against... well, everyone. And higher troop value ships will just laugh them off. Bombers, on the other hand, do unavoidable, shield ignoring damage as long as they can make it to target.
Though maybe if you play the carrier-deficient IN it might be worth it, since a chance, however small, at a crit, is still better than whatever damage you can get with two unupgraded bomber strikes.

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Are the chances of destroying a specific system random luck?

Are some systems more resilient than others?

Do you have to face a specific section of the ship to blow up systems?

>>46918663
>Fixed a bug causing the defeat of the “Alliance with the Eldar” mission if the Eldar fleet was destroyed
Oh thank god.
>Introduction videos upgraded
Huh. I wonder if that means they can be skipped now?

>>46918830
>Are the chances of destroying a specific system random luck?
Yes. If you're targeting a certain system it weights it that way, but it's still mostly random. Focussing doesn't affect assault boats, boarding, or lightning strikes.
>Are some systems more resilient than others?
No. Some systems have multiple subsystems (each weapon is destroyed individually), but that's it.
>Do you have to face a specific section of the ship to blow up systems?
No. Being behind does nothing to increase chance of blowing engines.

>>46918858
>Focussing doesn't affect assault boats, boarding, or lightning strikes.

This is weird. Do the assault teams decide on the fly which system they want to blow up?

>>46918830
From what I understand every time one of your shots hits and makes it through the shields a roll is made based on the crit chance of that weapon. If a crit is scored it is then randomly distributed to a system, fire or hull breach. I assume if you have a system targeted it is more likely to go there but it's still no guarantee.

>>46918874
They just land how they happen to land and fuck shit up, possibly the system nearest to where the assault pods ended up breaching, then they die or fuck off back to your ship before they're crushed by enemy ratings.