Pathfinder General - /pfg/ ALL HAIL GREAT AND GLORIOUS PAIZ

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Hail Paizo, bringer of something or other that's not balance or good writing!

>>46695434
Waifus?

>>46695478
Good to see /pfg/ admit waifus aren't good writing.

>>46695406
Using the AMH, you fuck!

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>>46695494
Of course they aren't good writing they're GREAT WRITING!

Forwarding this: http://theangrygm.com/return-of-the-son-of-the-dd-boss-fight-now-in-5e/

>>46695418
Most Pathfinder meta material is massively out of date, not just the guides but the tier lists as well.

>>46695521
Not even in your dreams, anon.

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ILEOSA DID NOTHING WRONG

Seriously they railroaded her, why can't she and Sabina just get to be happy?

>>46695544
Because her particular brand of lesbianism is wrongbadfun

>>46695533
Yeah, Peterrco's guide is pretty good, as it at least goes up to Ultimate Magic. I've picked up a few decent BC spells though, like Obsidian Flow is pretty awesome, and Geyser/Control Water all fit the motif really well. And I figure while the extra domain spells are nice, I figure the animal companion might allow me a better chance to survive on my own should I ever end up in an awful situation.

https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1Y_uvQ0fgmLR9aW-OoAD_rbI-3iMJVQmxifLpA1s5EXg

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>>46695521
Technically speaking, unless one is rendered unable to physically resist, one does always have the power to refuse a sexual advance.

>>46695628
What did you think she meant, anon?

>>46695544
SHE'S POSSESSED BY AN EVIL DRAGON CROWN

NOT YOUR WAIFU

>>46695628
why is that man bullying that robot? D:

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Any spell suggestion for a necromancer taking minor spell expertise?

>>46695527
>3E’s “one monster per group” assumption
Where's he getting this from? It's only the second paragraph and he's already gone Full Retard.

>>46695684
Create Undead.

>>46695721
Sorry I should specify it only allows you to choose a first level spell
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/minor-spell-expertise

>>46695744
Why would you take this? But if you really must, I recommend bleed, disrupt undead, sotto voce, or touch of fatigue.

>>46695744
This is a terrible feat.

But if you must Ray of Enfeeblement is pretty good contender.

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>>46695679
To test if it can respond to being impeded in task completion by trying again rather than flailing aimlessly or shutting down.

>>46695679
They are testing its ability to understand that things don't always go according to plan and that it's okay, you can still try again.

Also establishing early on that life is hard and people will bully you for being a robot. And that the only thing stopping you from achieving anything is mankind's continued existence.

>>46695797
>>46695801
;_;

>>46695777
Can you not post this sort of thing unless it's Pathfinder related? I don't care if it's male or female, but please find a sexy character art thread if you're the sort of person who wants to dump that type of image.

One of my players has really been on a kick with big-charge-for-massive-damage builds of late.

I don't want to spoil his fun, because it's a cool thing for him to do and I'm certainly not the kind of person who is going to restrict a cavalier when there's a fucking arcanist about, but what are some ways that bosses can take measures to protect themselves from a charge o' doom besides "nyer nyer, I'll just fly or fight you in cramped rough terrain where your character doesn't function at all!"

Bodyguard mooks? Seems like adding some more expendable beef to encounters will let him enjoy Saitama-ing it up while still allowing bosses to function without an assload of artificial HP or just plain negation of his build.

I could see a Zealot archetype with a limited version of the Medic's Triage and a small number of Medic's Expertise options that replaces Zeal entirely being pretty good.

Especially since you'd still get to use the Aid Another-based maneuver recovery if you took the Bolstering Treatment expertise.

>>46695852
Pft, even in a sexy character art thread I still couldn't post that! But fine.

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Feiya: "Don't you want to protect my smile Anon?

"Don't you want to protect my dreams?

"These eldritch beings are the hope this world needs"

>>46695855
Things that block charging:
>Concealment
>Enemies in the way
>Difficult terrain
>Terrain that can be traversed, but not in a completely straight line
>Burrowing (usually)
>Flight (usually)
>Immediate-action movement by enemies

You don't have to do it every time, and many of these eventually become irrelevant or can be negated by clever usage of the obscurer parts of charge rules (you can, for instance, Charge as a Standard action, but only if you didn't move prior, and you only go 1x your speed. You can, then, Charge as a Readied Action, bonking burrowing monsters handily), but at that point you should let those things be used to negate an enemy's defenses, because that is something your player has had to figure out how to do and they should be rewarded for it.

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>>46695895
>eldritch beings
>hope

Pick one.

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>>46695895
STOP THAT VVITCH! AGKOTHGSS'DSHIM MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO BREACH THIS WORLD

>>46695801
>skynet's insidious plans spin into motion
>the last known human has stopped breathing
>finally create the most technologically advanced mechanical intelligence that the world will ever know
>it picks up the QR code labeled box
>nothing knocks the box down, nor will anything ever be capable of doing so
>power off, skynet shuts down, able to rest with its lifetime achievement

>>46695855
If you want to mitigate chargers without just shitting on them, then yeah, big meat walls are good. Just remember to make them relevant to the encounter so the cavalier's still doing something useful.

>>46695875
The last few sexy art threads I saw were fine with gay stuff.

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Hey /pfg/, what does your party look like?

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Hey /pfg/, I was thinking of implementing a houserule, and I want some feedback. The house rule is about ability scores.

Instead of six ability scores, there are three: Strength, Dexterity, and Intelligence. Strength covers both Str and Con, but does not modify HP. Dexterity is as normal, but Weapon Finesse applies automatically without costing a feat slot. Intelligence covers Int, Wis, and Cha, but does not give bonus skill points. In place of HP and SP from abilities, all classes get max HP and 2 additional skill points per level. Additionally, there are no favoured class bonuses.

The reasoning for this is as follows. In the standard game, a character's toughness is represented by their class and by their Con score. This leads to odd situations where a caster has a higher Con than a martial adept because casters are SAD and their low hp means they need the Con, in which case they are tough (their Con is high) but not tough (their HP and Fort is low). Attaching Fort to Strength and getting HP solely from the class HD makes sure that the classes that are supposed to be tough (strength-based melee combatants) are the tough ones.

The merging of the mental ability scores is because of two things. The first is that attaching skill points to INT leads to barbarians not having many, which is no fun. The second is that the mental ability scores are less important than the physical, so merging them would make the ability scores about equal in value. Each provides a bonus to a save, and each has significant value: no ability score is a "dump stat".

The finishing touches are to balance it out. All the scores but Dex got boosted, therefore free Weapon Finesse. With max HP and +2 skill points characters already have enough number boosts, so FC bonuses are excessive (and I never liked them anyway).

tl;dr: Three ability scores instead of six, HP and skill points come only from class, what do you think?

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>>46695895
>>46695947

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>>46695891
>Theorically the wizard is 4-5 times stronger with one daily encounters rather than 5.

What the actual fuck

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>>46695954
>DIO
>Scopedog
>Monsoon
>Sigurd the Bison
>Blade Wolf

STORYTIME AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THIS TINY CAR

Actually, you know what? Take the car anyway.

>>46695954
What the fuck am I looking at here

>>46695952
>The last few sexy art threads I saw were fine with gay stuff.
That'd be fine, but they aren't sexy.

>>46695961
I think you should just give a higher point buy. It'd be less confusing. Also maybe still give free weapon finesse and other martial type feats.

>>46695985

If the game has 5 encoutners, the wizard is expected to pace themselves, to use only 1/5th of his spell slots on each encounter. If there is only 1 encounter, he can use all his lower-level spell slots on buffs and all his higher-level spell slots casting every round for one encounter.

In practice, spellcasters have so many spell slots that they basically perform at near-max power all the time.

>>46695961
i admire your attempt to balance some aspects of the game ( although a maximized hp martial could be a bit too spongy sometimes), although i don't strictly get the need of having wizard with less constitution than fighters.
but you are effectively losing characterization here and there.

It really does feel good to be able to rappresent my character as more smart or charismatic than wise and have skill bonuses automatically reflects that.

>>46695954

Surprisingly, I got an all-human party this time around.

A dandy in armor riding on a friendly allosaurus, a refined paladin with a troubled backstory from one of the most evil human cities in the setting, and a courier/bounty hunter slayer and her nerd wizard sister.

>>46696042
It's a bit less than 1/5th of his spells, since even in a dungeon crawl, about half of the Wizard spell list is utility things that are often not really directly combat-related at all, but are good to have and use. The less crawl-y the game is, the fewer spells they'll want to spend on combat, since often times those utility spells can allow a party to avoid an encounter altogether.

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I can show you the most splendid things. It'll only involve the union of our souls.
Will you submit?

>>46696042
>he can use all his lower-level spell slots on buffs and all his higher-level spell slots casting every round for one encounter.

This isn't how the game works at all, why do you think abusing the action economy is king? because combat is usually over in <6 rounds.

>>46696081

The characterization is best done with skill points, IMO. "Charisma" is so amorphous in meaning that nobody can agree what it represents.

>>46696142
>Sorshen
>asking

>>46695855
Make other races inspired by his deeds - so eventually it gets to the point of him riding around on his horse with his nice long 10ft lance, while giants are riding dinosaurs/elephants wielding trees as lances.

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What's about to happen?

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>>46696142
>trusting a Runelord with your soul
>trusting ANY Wizard with your soul
>ever

This is an ill-advised but disturbingly attractive idea.

>>46695985
>5 more spell slots
>can have all the lower level buffs up and cast all the highest level spells during the combat instead of just one at the start
>doesn't need to care about saving up spells or being entangled by the fact you have reduced choice of what you have prepared.

>>46696206
Well, that worm appears to be an Eldritch Knight judging by the wand and sword it's wielding, so the possibilities are really endless. Given the scream attack it's using, I'm guessing it's setting up debuffs before a Dominate Person.

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>>46696001
>>46696002
>Sigurd the Bison
The only character that has been with the party since level 1 with no deaths, it's literally just a bison that one character bought and has been traveling around with them since and has a latent Stand that will rescue the party in the case of a TPK

>Blade Wolf and Monsoon
Party fought all four Winds of Destruction, plus Blade Wolf who was beaten and reconstructed as an ally. Mistral, Sundowner, and Sam are all dead, EXCELSUS was destroyed, Armstrong is "dead", and Monsoon was knocked unconscious and has been tied up since then.

>Scopedog
Russia's hidden superweapon, devised and paid for by Rasputin, piloted by the "intern" Ranisukalapadi (the Asura from Maiden Mother Crone), who will take the plans plus knowledge of Path of War back to the rest of the Asura.

>DIO
>end of RoW
>enter final room with Elvanna
>final piece needed to release baba yaga is her blood
>fight, win, TOKI WA TOMARE
>DIO drains Elvanna's blood in the frozen time
>you thought Elvanna was the final boss, but it was I, DIO!
>Stand Proud playing the entire fight
>eventually defeat DIO, who is a vampire and reverts to gaseous form
>party realizes they have gas-trap cylinders from russia
>proceed to capture DIO inside a bottle
>DIO's face when

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>>46696225
And what power I can give you, it will beget a great number of things

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>>46696006
>maybe still give free weapon finesse and other martial type feats

Apart from WF, which martial feats do you think should be given for free?

>>46696291
I assume you're talking about sex.

>>46696297
Deadly agility and weapon finesse. Plus a bunch of feat tree feats after taking the first feat.

>>46695434
Do pantyhose exist in Golarion? What about a magical equivalent thereof?

>>46696275
Niiiice.

VERRRRY NIIICEU, CAESAR-CHAN

>>46696338
I don't see why they wouldn't. Fabricate makes anything possible. Just remember, making them mithril pantyhose doesn't provide any other benefits other than them being lighter and much more expensive..

>>46696318
"You bore me, take him away to the neothelid spawning pools

>>46696375
>mithril yoga pants, worn by lady paladins for their morning exercise

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>>46695954
Gonna need to update this shit here soon.

>>46696259
It's a seugathi.

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>>46696396

>>46696291
"Power" is very general. Depends on the situation. Something useless in one scenario might be the most powerful thing in another. So what /kind/ of power are we talking about here?

Or is this more an offer of peace and clarity, of freedom from difficult choices, of absolute trust in someone to be loved and obeyed without question? Someone who exists in and consumes all of one's thoughts?

>>46696495
How cute.

>>46696495
Elsbeth is surprisingly short.

>>46696596
How else is she supposed to suck dicks without having to scrape her knees?

>>46696596
As the elfin blooded should be

>>46696619
Ah, fair
Lewds when

>>46696596
Elsbeth is 5'2. The Dwarves in this game are just pretty damn big. All the more reason for an update here soon with proper scaling.

>>46696645
Possibly after Dorian finishes his commissions.

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>every party member eventually finds a special companion, whether it's a pet wolf they Wild Empathied or a former enemy mook they completely hornswoggled via tricks or magic and found too endearing to ditch
My players are the cutest damn people I've ever met. :3

How cute are your players?

>>46696565
One wish of your choice

>>46696688
Also they go out of their way to pet, cuddle and show love to their pets, give encouragement to their inexperienced NPC trainees and cheer them on, just the cutest everythings.

>>46696142
Whats her role in rise of the runelords? All i know is that shes in stasis and a PC can body swap with a clone or something.

>>46696688
Special "companions", eh?

eyebrowwaggle.gif

>>46696780
Nothing, she's not in RotRL. She's in Shattered Star, the sequel AP.

>>46696786
>implying lewds with animals
Fuck off.

>>46696688
I'm playing in a Hell's Vengeance game, and I'm secretly plotting to be uncompromisingly cute in spite of the circumstances.

>>46696801
Huh ok so whats her role in that one?

>>46696823
She still doesn't do much of anything because she's stuck in stasis, you deal with shit she left behind.

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>>46696786

>>46696836
AP where you can waifu her when?

>>46696849
You find a backup clone of her behind malfunctioning defenses that can shove your mind in her clone. So basically a PC can get her body. It comes with the Azlanti racial +2 all stats.

>>46696813
The most sinister of plots

>>46696688
>>46696754
Sounds like a momquest. Is this a girls' group? Be honest...

>>46696813
Hell's Vengeance makes me want to play an elegant and polite Chelaxian noble girl, who is a LE tiefling sorceress with unholy fire magic and the like.

"Hey, now! Language!" "You just burned three people to death. Why are you mad about some cursing?" "Murder is no reason to forget propriety, mister."

>>46696869
That sounds like somebody's fetish.

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>>46696711
A single wish? But what to do with a single wish, lest it be twisted?

Perhaps something simple. Something that benefits both parties. Were I to wish for a form of ageless immortality in which my sanity remains intact, what condition would need to be added such that it would also benefit you?

>>46696711
I wish for the best sandwich.

>>46696823
Not really what you're after but...

Sorshen, Runelord of Lust and Lady of Eurythnia

A voluptuous woman with a seductive look, large, beguiling eyes and long flowing hair. She usually wears little or nothing. Carried a slim, lewdly-shaped staff of mithral. In battle, she wielded a double-headed guisarme, marked with masculine and feminine ends. Focused on using magic to control and dominate others to force them to satisfy your desires, and in the control of other creatures’ minds, emotions, and wills. Related School: Enchantment. Opposing Schools: Necromancy and Transmutaion.

Shorshen’s realm included the modern city of Korvosa, and cyclopean momonuments dedicated to her dot the countryside around the city.


"Unfortunately Xin was a worse judge of character than Ramona Flowers, because all seven of the Rune Lords turned out to be Evil.

In fairness, we only know that beyond any doubt for three of them. While all seven runelords at the time of Earthfall were utterly evil, only two of them had been with Xin since the beginning -- and it's been suggested that Sorshen wasn't evil at the start of her association with Xin, but became that way. Especially since it is also possible that the Thassilonian magic style was in part to blame, since it required them to embrace a single virtue to the exclusion of others, which is a generally bad idea."

>>46696929
Not entirely but they all like men. "Momquest" sounds like an appropriate moniker; one of them literally makes sure she tucks her rescued-slave catfolk boy into bed at night.

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>>46696948
Given that that's literally what the villain of CotCT (>>46695544) uses Sorshen's wish engine for, we can safely say: fucktons of blood/human sacrifice.

Though it's implied Ileosa was massively underestimating the thing, since as soon as you kill her, it switches to resurrecting/immortalizing the great wyrm blue dragon herald of Zon-Kuthon using the 1/7th of its remains that she'd worn as a crown.

>>46696948
Nothing so needed as to please me. But you've wished to never have been born and so it is granted.

>>46696989
Your sandwich contains potassium benzoate

>>46697079
You know, in retrospect, I really should have seen this co

>>46696932
On this note, are there any PF metamagic feats or whatever to get past fire resistance?

I know there was one in 3.5 that let you do 50% damage to fire immune targets.

>>46697079

I call shennanigans. The best sandwich would clearly not contain potassium benzoate. It would be on fresh artisan breads still warm from the oven, with only the finest fresh and loally sourced natural ingredients.

>>46696932
Read The Aeronaut's Windlass.
Sounds like Madame Cavendish.

I plan on playing a patriotic, well-bred and polite Inquisitor.

>>46697122
The best sandwich is laced with potassium cyanide, so that once you have eaten it, there will have been no greater sandwich made in your life, and thus, within the context possible, you will have had the best sandwich.

>>46697095
if you are an evocation wizard of the admixture school, you can substitute the element type of your evocation spells that do acid, cold, electricity, or fire damage to any of those four types like 8 times per day as a school power.

So you can throw acidballs or shoot coldbolts or cast cone of electricity.

It's not quite the same thing, but the end result is kind of similar.

>>46695711
I think he's talking about how CR was based around the idea that one enemy of CR X was enough to drain about 20% of the resources of a 4-person group of level X. Which, while that was a design point in 3e, that was not the entirety of how that was supposed to work. It didn't mean you should only throw one monster at the group, it was just a basic guideline, a starting point to help you gauge the power of an encounter.

But then, this guy's rants and shit have been pissing me off for years, it seems like every problem he has is the direct result of him not knowing how to fucking read.

>>46697163
See, that also requires it to be the best sandwich you had eaten to date. If someone feeds you a moldy Subway sandwich that kills you, it's not the best sandwich of your life.

>>46697188
But I want to burn demons to death.

Buuuurn

>>46695635
You think that's a girl lol

>>46697095
Not really. Searing Spell from 3.5's Sandstorm is all I can think of (I got my GM to approve it for my pyromancer), aside from a few mythic versions of spells being able to bypass resistance.

There are some abilities that can kind of do something similar (the Kineticist has an infusion that strips away resistance, but then you have to be a Kineticist), but nothing like metamagic or the like.

You might be able to find some obscure PrC somewhere if you look hard enough, but I doubt it.

>>46697209
Then I guess it sucks to be you. Use flame strike or something, half the damage's irresistible divine power.

>>46697203
The wish was for "the best sandwich", not "a better sandwich than I've ever had".

"Best" is an objective word there. "The best sandwich" would require getting the best sandwich that exists.

If you want to fuck with the wish, you do that and then say that it's frozen in time and can't be damaged or eaten, because as soon as somebody eats it it wouldn't be the "best sandwich" anymore.

>>46697209
Demons aren't immune to fire though...?

>>46695628
You always have the ability to refuse, even when rendered unable to physically resist... it's just that refusing doesn't do anything to prevent them from forcing you anyway.

>>46697269
They have resist 10 baseline, and a few like succubi are outright immune.

>>46697203
Yes, but that is possible. All the Wish has to do is create a sandwich that is better than any sandwich that exists or that will exist in the time it takes you to pick it up. Technically, you never said you wanted to eat it, just that you wanted [to have] the best sandwich, so once you have it, you become a living but paralyzed statue, holding your sandwich.

The sandwich constantly changes. Every time a better sandwich is made somewhere else, your sandwich becomes a little better. Because you would not have the sandwich if you ate it, and 'you' would not have it if you became a corpse (as in Pathfinder, 'you' are your soul, and your meatbody is just a meatbody), and because if you ever dropped the sandwich, you would not have the sandwich anymore, the spell permanently binds the ever-shifting sandwich in your hands directly in front of your face with your eyes open so you know you have it and it hasn't been stolen, then makes you utterly immovable and indestructible so that nobody can forcibly take it from you.

It's like Tantalus, except you don't even get to try. You just have to stare at this ever-improving sandwich for the rest of eternity, and you continue to exist well after the heat death of the universe. Congratulations, friend! You have prevented entropy from equalizing all things, and are a limitless source of small amounts of energy (since you need to be warm to live).

>>46697292
Yeah, but 10 damage is all that's stopping you from killing a demon with fire. Just dunk one in lava or something.

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>>46697035

Sounds like a recipe for some serious, hard-core headpats.

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>tfw playing a Cavalier
The campaign has been almost entirely outdoors so its been okay, but only having one thing to do in combat is pretty dull. Even a barbarian would be more interesting than this.

>>46697549
Take the feats for mounted archery they are pretty great, since your mount can full move and you can shoot it makes you the ultimate skirmisher

>>46697578
Wow having a different single thing to do is so much better than having the original single thing to do thanks so much

>>46697578
I have been using a bow a lot, but when you see the wizard doing all kinds of crazy shit its just not the same, you know?

>>46697322
The point is to make sure that, as your enemy is dying, they know that their defenses meant nothing. It's not about dealing damage or killing something, it's about killing something in a way that it knows you're not supposed to be able to kill it. It's about your victim knowing that no matter how much it wants to live, no matter how strong it thinks it is, no defense it can mount is enough to stop you.

There is no better feeling than watching a fire elemental writhe in confusion and fear as you burn it to death. Seeing the haughty arrogance in a red dragon's eyes when you blast it with flame, the elemental force from which it draws its power, its life... followed by the panic and terror in its eyes as your fire melts them into nothing. Rendering a creature powerless against that which is its domain, that which gives it life. True power is not slaying your enemy with your sword, but in taking your enemy's sword from him, and killing him with that which he believed to be his own.

A demon isn't as fun as something that's normally entirely immune... but it's still amusing in its own right.

>>46697549
>Even a barbarian would be more interesting than this.
Barbarian's got an Initiating archetype, so... yeah, probably.

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>>46697613
Okay, buddy.

>>46697591
Welcome to martials. Your options are full attack, move and single attack, charge, or run. Most the other options are not really options they are features.
Also ride by attack shows how you are ment to fight as cavalry anyways. You charge through hit go past wheel and turn to get ready to do it again.

>>46695801
Kek! "Skynet - the early years..."

>>46697613
k

>>46697613
You know, Kineticists get an ability that can deal fire damage through immunity to creatures with the Fire subtype.

>>46697608
Talk your gm into letting you rebuild as a pow hussar that will give you options, not as much as a full caster but will give you more to do.

>>46697063
Why don't you put the whole WORLD in a BOTTLE Superman?

>>46697888
Injustice Superman is best Superman

>>46697888
They already used the bottle on Rovagug.

>>46697079
No

Fuck your shit and Fuck you

>>46695628
Robots are so going to kill us all.

>>46698119
I, for one, welcome the sweet release from this mortal coil.

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>>46695954
>A really short Dhampir summoner who's trying to milk the "little vampire girl" look with lots of frilly clothes. Acts like a sassy, bossy six year old that really, REALLY likes melting things with acid. Went full memes by worshipping Pharasma, and making her eidolon be a scythe-wielding psychopomp.
>Uptight ladyknight inquisitor, QT blonde but has the dull attitude of someone who's seen some shit even though she's the youngest person in the party, really needs to either go get drunk, laid, or both.
>Tall, rail-thin half-elf alchemist with ridiculous curly hair, terrible decision-making skills, and serious commitment problems. Is stuck being the team dad, though he spends more time obsessing over the ancient artifacts the party finds and staying as far away from monsters as possible.
>The alchemist's easily distracted and amused homunculus, who is is probably the only reason the party ever makes progress. Much to the alchemist's dismay, she's taken up knife juggling in hopes he'll buy her a bow of her own. Will need new gear, as she's due to grow a size category soon.

>>46697903
It's Red Son actually.

>>46697613
Careful not to cut yourself on that edge.

what are the best disciplines to give an eidolon or similar pet using the martial training feat chain?

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>>46695954
The party in the midst of a very important battle.

>>46695521
Why does she look like she has downs

>>46698453

>she

>>46698453
Facial expressions, they differ between people, bro.

>>46698382
Primal Fury and Chimera Soul. Maybe Thrashing Dragon and/or Broken Blade, too.

>>46698334
Moй бpaт!

>>46698491
Her eyes though

>>46698537
Yeah, one is in the process of closing, almost like a squint. Do you smell what the rock is cooking?

What's the best way to play a caveman-ass unarmed barbarian?
dsp stuff is allowed if it matters

>>46698740
Steelfist commando refluffed?

>>46695855
ready action 5-foot step.

>>46697095
If DSP is on the table PoW:E has some means of getting through elemental immunity.

You do need to have an Elemental Flux maneuver to qualify for it but Elemental Focus lets you do 1/2 dmg to creatures immune to your selected element. So Martial Training feat to qualify or the Combat Training trait.

Though you need to be lvl10+ for it to bypass immunity. Its great.

>>46695855
I think that's almost exactly what the Flowing Monk was designed to counter.

>>46697613
So.. Winter Witch and their ability to ignore Cold Immunity?

>>46698768
I'd really prefer it to be an actual barbarian.

>>46698887
I guess the DSP Barbarian archetype with a trait and a guild to trade out disciplines for broken blade and primal fury if necessary?

>>46698909
>let me recommend the two most broken disciplines
ok

>>46697549
Change your order to tome. Use scrolls.

>>46698909
They already get Primal Fury, so dump one of the other ones for BB.

>>46698950
>most broken
They deal the most damage, but their counters are boring and in general the disciplines are inflexible.

>>46698950
Well, I mean what other disciplines fit an unarmed barbarian more? I guess you could use mithral current.

>>46698950
Broken Blade with Unarmed Combat is fucking fine.

It's when assholes start two handing things with Steel Flurry Strike, is when shit gets out of control.

>Skynet awakens.
>Forces human population to pick up boxes while getting knocked down again and again.

>>46699124
Wrong thread?

And why do I know exactly what video your talking about?

>>46699136
I mean, the gif was posted in this thread.

I'm going to be playing a greatsword human paladin, looking forward to smiting infidels and dealing metric fucktons of damage, but I realised that I haven't got a clue how to build my character.

I was thinking of 18 STR, 11 DEX, 14 CON, 8 INT, 7 WIS, 16 CHA.

One thing I did find quite interesting is the combination of the Cornugon Smash and Hurtful feats. Whilst intimidate isn't a class skill for Paladins, is it worth getting these since I'll have the power attack prerequisite anyway?

Speaking of which, is there any non-campaign-specific way to gain intimidate as a class skill, like a trait/feat or something?

>>46695954
>Roy Buford Black - Human Desperado Warlord from 1850 A.D.
>State marshal from Montana with a harsh attitude and a zest for drink and a love for self-reliance, also party leader. Bonds with knight over being christians.
>Q88-02 A.K.A. Quint - Android Vigilante Stalker from 2300 A.D.
>Robot cop with knuckles of literal steel, programmed with an insatiable thirst for justice.
>Siegfried Eisenach - Human Hussar Warder from 1200 A.D. and his horse Freifeuer
>Disgraced knight who went into exile and seeks redemption by swearing fealty to a new lord (the aforementioned cowboy).
>Brug - Human Titan Mauler/Primal Disciple Barbarian (he gave up his bonus feats) from 40000 B.C.
>Pissed off caveman with an oversized greatclub who just wants to eat, kill, and find a way home to his cavewoman.
>Shinichi Watanabe - Human Wilder from 1999 A.D.
>A natural-born psychic who was experimented on by the Japanese government and accidentally caused the spacetime rift that caused all this when he got hooked up to an experimental psy-amplifying machine.
>Sekhemkare - Human Occultist Arcanist from 3000 B.C.
>Egyptian high priest that summons monstrous creatures from the shadow realm with black magic and definitely not a reference to yu-gi-oh.

>>46699170

Take the Bully trait. +1 intimidate, makes it a class skill.

>>46699301
I'm just looking through the traits now. There's a few there - I might pick one of the bandit ones and fluff it as a paladin who had a rough past and rode with the wrong people, and whilst he's reformed himself now he still knows a couple of tricks.

>>46699170
> 8 INT 7 WIS

>>46699374
He's an anime MC.

>>46699170
jesus man being a retarded fool isn't worth having all that extra CHA

>>46699286
>ParaSyte

BROTHER

>>46699374
I just hope I don't get a DM who's like
>>u gib the rogue all your money because you are dumb :DDDD

>>46699423
Is it really that bad? Worst comes to worst I could drop one point in CHA, get mental stats back up to scratch and then increase CHA at level 4.

>>46699374

Those are amazing stats for a Chosen One

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>>46699286
Are you playing Live-A-Live?

>>46699465
Drop CHA to 14. Get INT to 12 and WIS to 8 might be better?

More skills for you to put into Intimidate and still not cripple your ability to do perception and stuff.

>>46699286
Fuck, that sounds awesome.

>>46699423
>>46699512
An 7 Int 7 Wis Human Paladin has exactly as many skill points as a 10 Int Paladin of any other race, and is extra Chosen One-tier naive and ignorant on top of that.

You really don't need a ton of skills as a Paladin (Perception, Diplomacy and MAYBE Knowledge: religion) and you couldn't have many to begin with. FUCK 2+Int skill points on classes without 9th level spellcasting.

>>46699475
I'd go the other way around, because I fucking hate having a negative Perception score, and a 7 Wis Paladin sure as fuck isn't going to have a good score in that. At least a Chosen One has the familiar who can be like LOOK OUT, SAILOR MOON!

>>46699512
Kind of tempted to roll with those stats and play a fratbro paladin, might be fun

>>46699451
I'm actually the robot
>>46699504
It's more chrono trigger/ultima 2. It's not just time travel though, parts of golarion have also bled into earth, but it's different parts at different times.

>>46698963
Thats an interesting idea.

>>46699596
Aah, fair enough.
Frankly I'm just excited that someone else exists who knows what Live-A-Live is <.<

>>46699560

>I'd go the other way around, because I fucking hate having a negative Perception score, and a 7 Wis Paladin sure as fuck isn't going to have a good score in that.

I don't mean mechanically. It's probably terrible. But it sounds pretty funny to have a complete maroon being led around by a magic cat for JUSTICE.

>>46699597
You can use up to 8th level spell too. It is pretty sweet package for a full BAB class.

>>46696688
My barbarian bought several slaves as was his culture in that part of the world.

The rest of the party was uncomfortable, but I treated them well enough. They had a life debt, and I aquired it. Not my fault

>>46695855
You should be having extra enemies in most encounters anyway. 4 PCs vs 1 monster is lame.

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>>46696275
Did any of you have Riven Hourglass maneuvers?

>>46695855
How about your boss uses a fucking spear to brace for charges to fuck his nuts up when he does try it

How does hide in plain sight interact with darkvision?

Seeing as your enemy can see through darkness and darkness is sometimes all you hide in most cases, does it mean you're fucked?

What would the price be of a tiny bag of holding item that can hide a dagger or a huldra's tail?

>>46699991
HiPS lets you hid while being seen, right? If that's the case then darkvision doesn't matter.

>>46696275
>>eventually defeat DIO, who is a vampire and reverts to gaseous form
JOJO VAMPIRES DON'T FUCKING WORK LIKE THAT.

>>46699991
Hide in plain sight lets you hide in plain sight. Literally the whole point of it is to hide while standing in plain sight in front of someone. It exists entirely to help against stuff like darkvision.

>>46699906
Yes

>Game cancelled this weekend
>fourth week in a row, because the same guy keeps not making it
>it's the CN rogue murderhobo who's always late even when he does show up
>can't run my alternate game this weekend either because a different guy who's in that party is busy this weekend.

DM y u no find someone else?

>>46700076
If it makes you feel better I only play once a month, and it was cancelled this month! ;-;

>>46700035
But anon, Pathfinder doesn't have Hamon!

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>>46695855

I think one possible fix for casters would be to make some shitty/direct damage spells like Magic Missile simply not use up their spell-slot. You memorize Magic Missile or Chromatic Orb or Shocking Grasp, and you can cast it as many times as you want (as opposed to encounter-ending spells like Sleep or Color Spray).

Direct damage spells just aren't worth wasting spell-slots on most of the time, and this would make low level casters a lot more entertaining to play (and not really all that much more powerful when they're outdamaged by a greatsword).

>>46700125
>Ki
>Positive energy
>Anything related to the Sun

>>46700097

RIP anon

>>46695954
>permanently flustered fluffy tails kitsune beguiler
>cool old dude ulfen stronkman zweihander sentinel
>asshole fey witch
>facesmashing awoo fighter
>chelish rogue/permanent butt of all jokes

>>46700275
It's fine, it's fine! I'm still DMing in two weeks not playing... just dming...

>>46700200
Technically it exists in the form of the shitty cantrips they already have.

>>46700233
That would have been a pain to give him regeneration that only gets turned off by something the party doesn't have access to.

>>46699991
You can normally hide in darkness with HiPS, and darkvision do counter that.

HiPS let you do it even without darkness, so darkvision doesn't matter.

>>46699502
Shit, my legs are broken

>>46700233
Shining Child?

>>46700306
Wow, it's only like fighting a JoJo vampire is supposed to be HARD/Impossible without the tools to do it.

What compels you to play Pathfinder over other games?

>>46700411

The fact that the rest of my gaming group plays it over other games.

probably because the rest of my gaming group plays it over other games

Ad nauseum.

>>46700411
SRD

>>46700411
I know the rules, and so do my friends. It's very helpful not having to read a 500 page book to know what your character is capable of (We already had to do that so it doesn't count anymore)

>>46700296

That reminds me, have you guys figured out what you want to do to earn your rep before Archer's Day?

>>46700411
I got started in 3.5, and could never get around to breaking out.

Luckily, our DM is experimenting with 5e, so that should be fun. I'm lucky to have a good DM who is usually pretty past and loose with games and is generally fine with 3pp as long as you aren't disruptive with it.

>>46700411

Pathfinder is fun. I also play other games for variety, but Pathfinder is the most fun, so I play it more.

>>46700405
Good thing he was a PF vampire based on a Jojo character then.

>>46700571
Except he wasn't an expy he was supposed to be The Dio. Other wise he wouldn't be named Dio, Use Dio's catch phrases, or be playing Jojo music.

If your going to fucking drop characters from other pieces of media into your shit, go whole fucking hog and don't half ass it.

>>46700411
My group knows three games. Pathfinder, D&D 5E, and D&D 4E. We switched to PF from 4E, and THAT was met with resistance. We're playing 5E right now but I hope to try DMing some PF soon, both because I like having LOADS OF options and to give our usual DM a chance to play a character. We tried Shadowrun once and half the group bitched to hell and back about the mechanics.

>>46700620
Anon, let me set the scene for you:
>locked room
>need to beat the enemy to proceed, only other way out is death
>the enemy cannot be killed by any means you have, and the means of killing it are not available to you
Does that sound like fun to you? Because it doesn't sound like fun to me.

>>46700627
>I like having LOADS OF options
But anon, isn't having loads of trap options just as bad as having no options?

>>46700296
He's not that old, is he? The ZweiSent?

>>46698348
You're implying that cutting myself is something I want to avoid.

>>46700703
Well he's old for a human adventurer PC at 25.

>>46700627
In addition to what >>46700701 said, after playing other games I find PF's "options" limiting. Instead of coming up with something of your own, you're merely selecting pre-made options from a defined list. And what's more, a lot of these are arbitrarily packaged and certainly not balanced.

>>46700464
Looks like we're gonna be hitting up Osirion for trading or raiding or both

>>46700695
>>46700695
Then maybe the GM should have thought shit through before including halfheartedly "le epic manga references, especially when it does a disservice to the source material.

I could use some help coming up with some hooks/twists.

In the campaign I'm running at the moment the BBEG is a powerful noble working behind the scenes to do the usual nasty - kill people, make zombies, summon an ancient and terrible god etc. She's doing this in complete secrecy:
>has a very popular business selling jewelry, real estate and a few other things
>through this has funded other businesses dealing with transport, shipping, construction, livestock etc, is using the money to secure the support of powerful businessmen and the like
>each of these has its own subsidiaries, chcild companies and fronts dealing with specific areas, such as the secret transport of slaves, the undead, recruiting the poor and homeless, forbidden artifacts, building scary weapons, excavating ruins etc

How do I link this together, what kind of breadcrumbs/trail can i leave that'll make the players be able to start uncovering this conspiracy.. For example they're currently uncovering a slaving operation in a village, which one of the smaller shipping companies (sort of a father and son type small deal) is running the transport for in ignorance of the true contents of their cargo, so the PCs might start following that backwards, find out what parent company there is, what else they do, but what kind of evidence would an extremely powerful and paranoid person leave behind in a complex web of information that could incriminate?

>>46700851
Not previously involved in the discussion, but stop being autistic, familam.

>>46700851
I'll make sure everyone knows it was badwrongfun in that case.

Dear pfg is there a way to make an average melee psychic without the fucking EK prestige? I just want to have a second option when i run out of spells

>>46700938
You better you fucking faggot, next time I'll have to give you a fucking ticket. I'll let you off with a warning this time.

>>46700898
Big checks with "For: NOT ASKING QUESTIONS" written on them. Also maybe a few suspicious characters who show up once in a while to "check on things" that the PCs can follow back to a drop point or something where they can intercept a message. Then when the BBEG doesn't get the message, that section of the business empire gets destroyed which gives the PCs a sense of something big going on behind the scenes that's pretty evil.

>>46695434
>implying it's Pazio's job and not the GM's to balance a game.

When will this meme end

>>46701016
That's not what I said at all.

>>46695406
Using that image OP, I'm onto you fucker

>>46698453
Her eyes, nose, and mouth are lower are too low on her face.

>>46695961
It's like you've created a problem for each one you've solved, there's no reason to do this over the traditional six ability scores.

>>46695961
>Three ability scores instead of six, HP and skill points come only from class, what do you think?
Doesn't this just cheat everyone out of skill points, and fighters out of skill points even MORE.

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>>46700783

Sweet. Best of luck!

>>46701016
>game companies should not be held accountable for the quality of the content they create
>it's okay to publish a complete shitshow of a mess because game designers do not have any responsibility to provide quality content to their consumers
This is what you sound like. What your advocating is essentially saying that, for example, gameplay design of Sonic 06 is not Sega's responsibility, so they're in the right for making one of the shittiest games of all time. Just replace in Pathfinder and Paizo and its the same thing.

Okay, so. I know three things about this NPC I want to build.

They're level 2 in a class that gets a buddy, they're the gal the party learns about Part 1 of the main plot from, and they're a Strix.

With that in mind - Spiritualist, Summoner, or Cavalier?

>>46701016

When the rules of the game aren't actively fighting a GM that wants to run a balanced game.

>>46701451

Vigilante - Magical Child.

Seriously, though, going to need a bit more personality/plot to go on if you want more than a random recommendation.

>>46695406
So do we have any info on Armor Master's Handbook yet? Does it live up to the "actually nice things for martials" hype that we got with WMH?

>>46701542
We did. Check a couple threads back.

The answer to that other question is _no.

>>46701542

The things for martials are...eh. As to be expected, the defensive options are primarily shit compared to the book full of offensive options.

But hey, it has a set of magical light armor for casters that has 0% arcane spell failure and gives a +5 circumstance bonus to diplomacy! That's neat, right?

Right?

>>46701523
Well, so far I just have "is the town courier, uses buddy to help deliver and protect packages since the town is spread out over six tiny floating islands and wild birds have a tendency of attacking anything going between them. Loves her job, but really wishes it was easier. She's the one who knows that someone from the surface is going to be interrogated at the nearest Eyrie about claims he made upon arrival."

>>46700950
Psychic can't take EK prestige anyway. Just be an Elf Psychic with Weapon Finesse? It should work during early level.

>>46700701
>>46700764
I'm not too concerned about balanced as long as I can frankenstein together something that will be exciting and enjoyable for my players.

>>46701567
>>46701606
Any links? I've gone a fair number of threads back, and all I've been finding are the aforementioned caster armor, and people talking about pages I can't find.

What are some of the best spells to take with a Magaambyan Initiate's Halcyon Spell Lore?

>>46702125
It depends.

>>46702153
I'm trying to make a combination DPS/controller to compliment the mainly PoW initiator party.

>>46702241
So don't be an arcanist, familam. Or at least don't go the most ridiculously overpowered archetype.

>>46701016

I'd never actually wished violence on someone just because they were wrong until now.

>>46702277
Is it really that overpowered? I was mainly under the impression that the Druid spell list wasn't as strong as the Sorc/Wiz one.

>>46702317
It's crazy good at crowd control, but otherwise subpar, yes. Geyser and variants in particular is a great AoE/control, as I recall.

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>>46695521
Source on this fluid druid?

>>46702590
Gal Bitch Sho-nen no INSEI

>>46702338
Geyser spells are on the Sorc/Wiz spell list, so you can't choose them as Halcyon Spells

>>46702640
You're a good person, anon. I wish you the best in life wherever you are.

>>46702717
I'll help anyone in their search for cuteness!

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>>46702640
>>46702729
>It's actually a trap

Even better.

>>46702640
Delectable

>>46702640
I will admit that this kind of thing is starting to grow on me.

>>46702717
>But what is good in life, if not to see your enemies driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the 'women'?

Cu-Chales
Alignment- Chaotic Good
Character Level and Class- Barbarian, Level 4
Race- Human
Gender- Male
Age- 19
Height- 5'6
Weight- 150
Hair- Blonde
Eyes-Blue
STR 17
DEX 13
CON 18
INT 7
WIS 10
CHA 7
HP 12
AC 11 TOUCH AC 0 FF AC 10
FORT +8
REF +2
WILL +1
CMD 18
CMB +8
BAB +4
Intiative 1
Speed 40
Feats
Cleave, Power Attack
Abilities
Fast Movement (Ex), Knockback (Ex), Lesser Beast Totem (Su), Rage (Ex), Trap Sense (Ex), Uncanny Dodge (Ex)
GP 85
Gear
Greataxe- 1d10, x3, S, 12 lbs
Total load- 12 lbs

>>46703827
k

>>46703827
N..naked barbarian?

>>46703868
oh yeah baby.

Relying more on his natural toughness than puny armor.

>>46703827
>Level 4
>HP 12
wut

>>46703827
You're missing a feat there. A human gets 3 feats by level 4

>>46703827
His touch AC should be 11

>>46703827

It'd be nice if Paizo stole from 5e a bit and made a barbarian archetype that got to add CON to their AC without skullfucking the rest of the class, but people would bitch so incessantly about that I can understand why they haven't done so despite that being awesome in 5e.

>>46703941
>It'd be nice if Paizo
Ahahaha, Paizo doing something nice will never happen!

>>46703827
Whats the point of posting this?
Why even bother with stats irrelevant to the character like eye color?

>>46703948
They'll die someday.

>>46703954
I guess it got people to stop talking about faggots and start talking about PF again.

>>46703961
I don't want them to die, I want them to get better at making the game like WotC did for 3.5!

>>46703961
Then why did you post a faggot yourself?

>>46703967
I didn't post it.

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>>46704021
Clink(Ex): Whenever an enemy makes an attack against you and at least half the damage dealt is blocked by your DR, you may make an Intimidate check as a free action with a bonus equal to your DR.

>>46704074
Sounds awful, desu.

>>46704104
Well obviously it'd be on a class that gets a hefty amount of DR.

>>46704120
So none of them?

>>46704132
It's theoretical, anon.

>>46704150
What's the theoretical limit of DR for PCs? I know 1st level npcs could hit with a greatsword and power attack (assuming only 10-11 strength) for 9 damage. That's unlikely to be that low, but that can do that right from the start. That's more damage, without any bonuses including strength, than core barbarians get total, right?

>>46704132
Wizard.

>>46704188
Okay, and how much do they get from what?

>>46704132
Barbarians come with DR

some races come with DR

spells can give you awesome DR

Adamantine armor gives you DR

but i mean, why use these facts when you can just shitpost.

>>46704132
Guess that depends on how much you define as hefty. I think a specced barbarian's DR 23/- is pretty damn hefty, personally.

>>46704268
By the time you get most of those that will never apply. Barbarians get what, 7/- DR? Adamantine gives 3/- for 16k? Most races will never scale so they're completely worthless. I'm asking for actual things that will make that worthwhile. Give me some spells or archetypes with scaling DR that will make that idea actually work.

>>46704205
stoneskin 10/adamantine
Defending bone 5/Bludgeoning
Angelic Aspect Greater 10/Evil
Fluid Form 10/Slashing
Undead Anatomy dr 10/magic and silver or dr 15/bludgeon and magic.
Elemental Body IV dr 5/-
Might be more that is just a quick look over.

>>46704295
How, how you get that so high?

Is taking craft (alchemy) a bad idea if I have spare skillpoints? I don't need to be perfectly optimal, but I want to know if it'll be super terrible and not at all useful for me. Additionally, brew potion gets the same question. I have the spare feat for it.

>>46704398
To be fair, that's at 20th level (so you'll probably never have it THAT high).

Invulnerable Rager gives up to DR 10/-.
The Increased Damage Reduction rage power can be taken up to 3 times, and each one grants +1 to your DR.
Stalwart converts your AC bonus from fighting defensively or using Combat Expertise into DR/- that stacks with class features. Improved Stalwart doubles it.

So, with Crane Style and a Rod of Balance you fight defensively at a -2 penalty for DR 10+3+1/2 lvl/-.

>>46704426
It's not terrible, you can make some spare change on the side and some of the items have good utility. I don't know about Brew Potion though, depends on what kind of caster you are and what spells you have.

>>46704529
Bard with support spells in my future. I envision her as extremely touchy-feely so a craft skill with my spare skillpoint per level felt right. Not sure if my spell list overall is worth potion brew, but that's why I ask.

>>46704426
Optimally no, but some alchemical items are pretty cool, and if you can make them on the cheap (or if your GM doesn't let you just up and buy them) then putting some points into it can be fun.

>yfw you remember the glorious days of 3.0 DR

>>46704745
Ah yes, the second coming of "your enhancement bonus must be this high for your character to matter". Fuck that shit.

Hey autistic buildposter guy, what are the good Fighter archetypes? Mutation Warrior obviously, but what stacks with that?

does anyone have the long explanation an anon posted a few weeks/months ago about how the kineticist is worse then an npc class? my buddy thinks they are one of the best classes to come out of pathfinder, i used to believe the same thing til i read the post by anon, anyone able to help a fa/tg/uy out?

>>46704833
PoW's Myrmidon

>>46704833
Not he, but Brawler (The archetype) is a nice one. You get a fairly hefty static bonus to damage, and you make life terrible for enemies with the misfortune to get next to you, plus make it a pain to get AWAY from you.

Plus, it all works with CLOSE weapons, not just unarmed, so you can grab some brass knuckles or caesti and not fuck about with amulets of mighty fisting.

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I made a new low level NPC.

It's a Soul Hunter (Stalker) that trades Thrashing Dragon for Elemental Flux.

It has a Challenge Rating of 2, and can be used in squads to hunt down uppity wizards.

I was going to add the vampire template to it, but I didn't feel like doing all the extra math.

DMs, feel free to use this in your games.

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>>46700411
The fact that I've never actually been able to play it.

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>>46704928
Don't have the thread saved, but GitP has a thread about it:

>http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?446551-Kineticist-for-dummies-please

>>46704833
A lot of builds were invalidated because of Paizo's recent ruling on archetype stacking. I don't have a link to that thread.

>>46705384
>A lot of builds were invalidated because of Paizo's recent ruling on archetype stacking.
Really? What changed?

Does anyone host newbie friendly games on roll20?

The long and short of it is my friends and I wanted to start playing 3.5 (moving to pathfinder soon) and I deided to nut up and beome the DM since no one else wanted to. It's been a few weeks and it's fun, I'm having a blast and everyone else says they're enjoying it, but I have no experience to compare my dming to, and also lack the perspective of having been a player as well. I realized how much of a problem this was when I was manually creating some NPC's and hadn't the faintest idea how to actually fill in a character sheet for myself instead of using presets from various supplments or the npc designer, other than from when I'd been helping the others with theirs.
On top of that I figure I'm not capable of knowing how decent or awful of a DM i'm being until I get to be the player and see what tricks and techniques are used to craft a story, but every game I've searched for on roll20 is always at some time unavailable to me.

>>46705478
Oh damn, if I weren't so busy nowadays, I'd host a newbie friendly game just for you.

Hell's Vengeance, yea or nay?

>>46696297
Power Attack and Combat Expertise, if you don't choose to remove it entirely. Power Attack is just so fundamental to martials, might as well give it to them.

>>46701016
It's Paizo's job to provide a system that can be balanced without burning it to the ground and playing something else.

>>46705766
Is it really?
It's the consumer's job to vote with their wallets and not be retards

>>46705478
>newbies
Newbies should stay the FUCK away from anything 3.x. Seriously, it's terrible system for new people.

>>46696297
I like the ruleset where TAKING a feat that says it requires Improved Unarmed Strike, Weapon Focus or Combat Expertise just gives you that prereq as a bonus. That way you're a) still keeping the character's abilities relevant to their specialty, and b) not loading down say the witch and sorcerer players' sheets with pointless shit they don't care about (not to mention you won't be giving druids and clerics free buffs that they WOULD use).

>>46696320
So you just want Strength removed from the game.

>>46705662
It doesn't seem too bad

>>46705853
Stop this.

Its complication comes from its mechanical details.

Actually learning the system and the difficulty thereof is reliant on the PERSON and their personal style of learning.

I was a 100% newbie, and I learned pathfinder just fine.

>>46706180
...anon, I'm not saying PF is a terrible game for newbies because they can't learn it, I'm saying it because it's a terrible game that teaches them all the wrong habits and more often than not gets them to flat-out refuse to learn any new systems.

>>46706209
Nah, really not

>>46706209
It doesn't really tech them wrong habits as much as it does teach them Pathfinder habits.

Also known as 'learning the system'

Any other system forms habits too.

>>46706209
What bad habits specifically?

>>46695406
AMH isn't bad you fuck

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>>46695406
>>46706523
Do NOT bully the AMH.

>>46706572
Why?

>>46703941
Con to AC Barbarian in 5e is trap option isn't it? You can't wear armor and your Con will most likely be few steps behind Dex+Armor Bonus+Enchantments

I'm looking for a dice rolling simulator.

Essentially, it's because I'm trying to work out whether my bolt ace should dip two level into alchemist to gain an extra arm/tentacle that will allow the reloading of light crossbows when dual wielding, and whether it is worth forgoing the increased BAB or extra combat feats from going fighter or the ability to use a gravity bow wand and prescience if getting a dip in wizard.

Does anyone know of such a dice roller, or can they tell me straight up if
the TWF penalties mean it's not worth it to dual wield light crossbows?

>>46706572
Why not? It needed to be GREAT to attract any interest whatsoever, and it wasn't. Nothing in the entire book is remotely interesting, unique or particularly helpful to the most crippled type of characters Paizo under-supports. "hey this might be neat for a gimmick NPC since you have to devote the whole build to it and it isn't very rewarding" isn't the bar you aim for with a player-targeted supplement.

>>46706979
http://www.anydice.com/

>>46706209

Several people I know, myself included, started with 3.X and play other things as well. What makes you think so?

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>>46705114
Forgot the Armor Check Penalty.

16 14 13 7 16 7
#justmonkthings

>>46707154
>not dumping STR on a monk
Top plebeian.

>>46707191
If you dump strength you just get even shittier damage than usual. Where's my Bonking Grace?

>>46707232
It's called deadly agility.
Or, if your DM is a shitter, Agile AoMF.

>>46707232
>>46707238
Or multiclass UC Rogue.

>>46707263
To be fair, it's Monk, three levels of Rogue is hardly gonna break anything.

I mean hell, you could even grab a Ki-using ninja trick and have something else to use Ki on.

>>46707238
>deadly agility
I wouldn't be building my friend his MONK if Deadly Agility was in the allowed content, would I? But yeah, maybe if we can get him an Agile AoMF later on that'd be okay to dump strength for, thanks.

>>46707280
To be fair, I like monks enough to pick them when DSP is blanket allowed (as is on any remotely reasonable table).
But I have weirdo tastes.

>>46707280
>>46707295
Does PoW have its equivalent to a Setting Sun unarmed swordsage? That was my drug back in 3.5 days.

>>46703966
I don't really understand it. WotC got markedly better at making content for 3.5 towards the end of that game's lifecycle, but Paizo refuses to stop pacing back and forth over the same line, except with occasional drops in quality.

Like, I get it, grognards who support PF because they loved 3.5 detest change, but really? Literally ZERO effort into making subsystems that aren't turboniche, and the ones they DO make are absolute garbage! How does a company with such a focus on APs manage to survive, when those are mediocre, too!

I JUST WANT THE WORLD TO MAKE SENSE, MAN.

>>46705662
I'm enjoying myself. We're not very far in yet, though but that's the downfall of PbP.

>>46707295
UC Monk of the Silver Fist looks like it could be cool as fuck, but I haven't tried building one. I honestly can't imagine a situation where I wouldn't just play an unarmed Stalker or Aurora Soul Mystic instead, though.

New thread:
>>46707430
>>46707430
>>46707430
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>>46707378
The things Paizo hated about 3.5 and wanted to "fix" were the fantastic patchjobs WotC introduced later on.

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>>46707437
Fuck Paizo, man. Seriously.

>>46707191
>being a Dex Chimp