Only an honest statblock will set you free. Stat me, /tg/ h

>>46511981
+1 watches Kill La Kill

>>46512457
That's fair.

>>46511981
60 vitality
25 endurance
10 strength
45 skill
45 bloodtinge
9 arcane

>>46512894
Translate that to D&D 5e, add in some Class Features/Feats, and we'll be all finished.

>>46512894
actually, 15 arcane

>>46512917
lol DnD

idfk
class Ranger
level idgaf
something something hitdice
16 con
18 dex
10 str
the other stats don't apply
fuck yourself

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>>46511981
fair maiden / 10

>>46512970
Thanks.

>>46513052
I gave it my best shot

>>46512457
I don't get it.
I've seen the picture, but I still don't get it.

>>46513200
Something something edgy something something girl power something something crazy weapons

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>>46512917
I'm not doing your homework for you.

>>46511981

Owlbear in powdered wig and tricorn hat. I'll be generous and give you +1 to AC.

>>46513200
She fights with sword made of blood, and blood is a big deal in Kill La Kill

>>46511981
Infinitely cooler than we'll ever be/10

>>46511981
She shouldn't work but the set-up, the arena, and the music really did it.

>>46514645
Shouldn't work?

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>>46512457

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>>46515361
>bumping a stat me thread

>>46514707
She's easy fight. Think DaS1 Gwyn (with parry).

>>46515375
>whining

>>46511981
No, you're thinking work.
Honest work will set you free.

>>46515678
Oops, my mistake. Nothing to see here.

>>46515375
>statting a bump me thread

>>46511981
Something from The Book of Nine Swords for 3.5 or Path of War for PF.

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>>46511981
Not as cute as the doll, but way hotter

>>46514582
Wouldnt that be kyokai no kanata?

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>>46517123
Doll is for pure love, Maria is for (sexual) bullying

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>>46517174
Maria a cute ! Cute !

>>46514582
The sword isn't made of blood, she just uses her blood on the sword to reinforce the attacks.

>>46517174
Actually doll is for motherly love specifically and only.
That's why Gherman's so sexually frustrated.

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>>46517174
Is she the one doing the bullying ?

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>>46517277
absolutely NOT

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>>46517299
That's more a gang-rape than a bullying, there.

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>>46517424
B U L L Y
the
P U F F Y
P U S S Y

>>46512931
Old Hunters use Quickening naturally without the use of The Old Hunter's Bone (which is most likely Maria's bone btw) so she might not need the 15 arcane.

>>46517299
fucking blue jojo posing outeruniversal broccoli

-10 hp

Crimson Countess Harbinger with Elemental Flux.

>>46517174
>pizza girl
Does she have really bad acne or something?

>>46517437
...this is why I want for there to be no limit on the number of pebbles you can carry...

I want to watch someone beat a boss by throwing them...

>>46511981
Here you go, OP.

Ability Score / 10

4 Strength
6 Constitution
5 Vitality
4 Endurance
7 Dexterity
6 Agility
6 Perception
5 Intelligence
10 Charisma
3 Wisdom
2 Spirit

Skill Score / 5

3 Rapier
2 Pistol
1 Alchemy
2 Map Reading
4 Appraisal (clothing)
2 Exotic dance
2 Intimidation
3 Persuasion

>>46517299
>>46517437
>>46517174

Wtf is this meme? Does the bloodborne communications have something against Maria?

>>46519497
She's one of the easiest bosses in the game, often getting "bullied" by groups of 2 to 3 players. She is also seen as having a Mary Sue style backstory, and uses an "edgy" fighting style.

They pick on her, but I love her.

>>46519465
No, she's filled with yummy tomato sauce and goes down easy under the pizza cutter.
>>46517299

>>46519497
>>46519517
In fact, the more people pick on her and belittle her, the more they come to like her.
We conducted polls that show it quite clearly.

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>>46511981
>Not best girl/10

>>46519714
Not into gilfs.

>>46519737
but you'd still fuck her if given the chance?

>>46519811
No.

>>46519926
then she isn't a Gilf...

>>46519947
Fuck off, don't be a twat.

>>46517299
Holy shit that image is incredible.

>>46520298
It's where "puffy vulva" came from >>46517174

>>46519714
I bet she smells like baby powder and sweat. 0/10 see me after class.

>>46519490
>Exotic Dance

;)

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Remember the deal.

>>46520721
Oh my.

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>>46512970

Actually you can convert BB stats into D&D, just treat every point of attribute above 10 as 5 stat points in BB.

So she'd have:
Prime/Undead/Female/Level 97 Ranger
3d12 hitdice
22 CON
15 DEX
21 STR
17 CHA
12 WIS
10 INT

>>46520736
How would you stat up her abilities? That's what I've been trying to work out, any ideas?

Rakuyo and the Chikage would need weapon stats as well, though that's probably simple to do.

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>>46520721
>>46520728

>>46520721
>>46520806
That's not Maria. Who is it?

>>46520806
>>46520721
Who is this supposed to be?

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>>46520894
>>46520897

looks like bimbo Djura

>>46520950
I'm okay with that.

More?

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>>46521111
fin

>>46520736
>Level 97 Ranger
You what?

>>46517299

Jesus Christ, look at all those optimized builds.

>>46521411
One of each of the trinity, by the looks of it.

>>46521440
There's no skillfag though. Just arc, str, and str/arc

>>46521489
Maria is the skillfag.

>>46521501
clearly she wasn't dodging enough..

>>46521534
I feel bad for her.

>>46521534
She gets stunlocked crazy easily

>>46521534
>Gwyn 2.0

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>>46521440

Yeah, pretty much. Logarius Wheel, pizzacutter (shame it's kinda replaced the Kirkhammer, it's honestly not that much better in practice), and pure arcane broccoli-headed space wizard are definitely three of the strongest builds in the game. There's still Str+Arc Ludwig's Holy Blade, Arcane Holy Moonlight Sword, Bloodtinge Chikage, and a few other really notable set-ups, though. I'm just honestly impressed with how horrifically true-to-life the image is.

>>46521618
Honestly, the saw cleaver is still probably the best weapon in the game.

>>46521618
perhaps, but you will never beat the classy shit that is the threaded pimp-stick.

because of bloodborne I built my first face-type character down to a white tee-top cane(with a slim dagger in the handle).

perhaps for a shadowrun character I can get a rigger to put a mono-whip in the tip for thematic reasons...

>>46521651
is it?
how does the saw-spear stack up beside it late-game?

>>46521703
pve wise cleaver is probably one of the best weapons in the game. Not sure on pvp, though. Saw cleaver performs a little better for skill, but there are better skill weapons and cleaver is better for quality builds.

>>46521703
>how does the saw-spear stack up beside it late-game?
In PvE anything goes, literally. It's just about getting a bit familiar with the moveset.

>>46521734
>is probably one of the best weapons in the game.
really? I'd have thought it a flop due to reach...

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>>46521489

Skillfags ironically tend to be at a disadvantage in Bloodborne pvp these days. A lot of them are super good in pve, like with the Blade of Mercy and its insane enemy stunlock, but their gimmicks generally aren't as useful against human opponents in general. You still see people bringing the Burial Blade or Simon's Bowblade to pvp quite a bit, but you really don't worry about them as much as you do with shit like Kos Parasite shenanigans.

>>46521651

You only say that because everyone side-pockets Saw Cleaver and Saw Spear because they're really good at covering gaps in the weapon(s) you -actually- build for. No one ever builds specifically for them in particular. They're not a weapon you can rely on totally on their own, IMO. You corner people with your main weapon and then R1 spam their poor ass with the saws so they don't know what hit them until it's too late.

>>46521887
>You corner people with your main weapon and then R1 spam their poor ass with the saws so they don't know what hit them until it's too late.

This is also why they never show up in the Chalice fight clubs. There's almost never an opportunity to spam someone down like there is in the Hunter's Nightmare, Nightmare Frontier, and Mergo's Loft.

>>46521887
>Skillfags
>disadvantage

nigga u wot

They get the most damaging viscerals AND the bullshit that is the Beasthunter Saif. Ever had someone pull out two fully gemmed Saifs on you and just spam the transform attack all day to close space? It's not pretty.

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>>46521828

Saw Cleaver and Saw Spear generally are not used for their reach. You come packing another weapon that might be a little comparatively slow but does have really exception length like Ludwig's Holy Blade (usually cleaver) or Kos Parasite (usually spear), then switch to your saw of choice when you're up real close and want to get in a whole bunch of quick swipes/have gotten into a spam war. Their transformed modes are also pretty comparable to the typical longsword movesets you'd see in the Souls games, so they also give you that sort of vanilla fallback option (not as important wit Ludwig's as with Kos Parasite). Incidentally, in both the above example partner weapons, Arcane becomes a major part of your build, although Ludwig's requires Strength investment (which is why Cleaver is better for it than Spear), and the saws function really well with Arcane gems.

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>>46521991
>most damaging viscerals

Just don't get parried. This isn't Souls. The only potential excuse in Bloodborne is latency issues.

>Beasthunter Saif

Fair, but in my experience you really don't see it any more often than other Skill weapons. It's true that it is nightmarish in melee when it's used correctly because it has really excellent variation in distance coverage, but you don't too often see it used correctly. I guess the transformed mode is ass, too, but that's not the draw of the weapon, so it doesn't really matter.

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Everyone shut up and post Marias.

Maybe I can get some answers here.

Second time I go to Hypagoen Gaol, there are three Hunters, with one looking like he's gone mad using the Beast Claw. Is there a story reason for this fight, like the Shadows of Yarnham have?

Did all the people of Yahargul get flash burned or something? It's super creepy how they're locked into that running away, deathly scared look.

>>46523089
Mensis fucked up a ritual trying to contact Mergo, the backlash killed everyone, fusing them into walls and the unlucky ones ended up as the boss of the area.

>>46523179
That one will always be creepy.

>The Moon poops on you in the middle of downtown
>Roll for Initiative

>>46518579
The Old hunters bone specifically mentions it came from a he so it wasn't Maria

>>46523388

>Poop

The moon wasn't pooping, it was giving birth.

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>>46512894
>all that fiery blood magic
>9 arcane

>>46523584
Blood stuff is based on bloodtinge.

>>46523564
offspring are poop that walks

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>>46517262
>That's why Gherman's so sexually frustrated.

>>46523622
are you serious? ist hei actually on the game?

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>>46523622
No way

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>>46523656
>>46523676
Yep, it's actually in-game.

>>46523794
jesus fuck, man

did ya look for other book titles?

>>46523826
They're all How to Pick up Fair Maidens, as far as I can tell.

>>46523656
Almost every single book is titled that. Well the ones you can read anyway.

>>46521618
How does one use the Wheel properly? I've avoided it since I mostly pve and its kind of slow for me.

>>46523880
You spam the dash attack

>>46521618
>pizzacutter (shame it's kinda replaced the Kirkhammer, it's honestly not that much better in practice)

The Kirkhammer is good? What makes it any better than Ludwig's, let alone equivalent to the Whirlgig?

Personally I never got over the dumb looking block of stone glued to my back clipping through anything with a robe or scarf.

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>>46524188
The game has given me a fetish for girls in 18th-19th century tight men's clothing. What other settings are like Bloodborne's?

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>>46519517
>2 to 3 players

it's "one player" not "coop"

>>46523564

Same shit.

>>46524277
What?

>>46524293
normal players do bosses by themselves
faggots do bosses "coop" buttbuddy style

>>46524049
Funlocking, mostly. It's how I beat Gascoigne.

>>46524342
Get your elitism out of here, it's a video game. Co-op is half the fun.

>>46523403

The original Japanese text of that item description is gender neutral. It was translated as "he" because that is one of the valid ways of referring to someone of unknown gender other than singular "they/them" and also Maria basically didn't exist until the DLC came out.

It is really, really clearly supposed to be her bone as of her introduction. After being entered for the first time, The Old Hunters DLC lamp is accessed through the Hunter's Dream tombstone equivalent of the tombstone where you get the Old Hunter Bone in the Abandoned Workshop. She is also the only person in the game other than Gehrman who can use Quickening without first activating the Old Hunter Bone. She is explicitly Gehrman's closest apprentice.

This is one of the most blatant connections in all of Souls other than when Miyazaki decides to just say shit outright.

>>46524277
It's literally a coop game.

>>46523880

Spin 2 win.
Stunlock like fuck.

>>46524049

Whirligig Saw's moveset other than its transformed L2 is based on the moveset of the Kirkhammer. There are slight differences - the Whirligig Saw is marginally faster but eats more stamina, for instance.

>>46524275
I looked into your image, expecting more girl Founding Fathers, and all i got was boring sexy dress girl shit.

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>>46524049

Basically the Kirkhammer in transformed mode will stunlock almost anything, unlike Ludwigs. Whirligig can also stunlock, but because it stunlocks in its buzzsaw mode instead of it being "HIT, stunlock, HIT" like with the kirkhammer it's just HITstunlockHITHITHITHITHITHITHIT until your stamina runs out - basically if you've beaten Rom using the flamer+pellet boost to stop him from teleporting away or summoning more spiders, it's like that, cheesey as hell sure, but it makes any boss it can stunlock laughably easy.

>>46524709
Trust me, I felt the same pain

>>46520764
>>46520764
Anyone? ;_;

>>46524744
So what does the baby Great One hunter eventually grow up to become? What does the hunter's transcendence mean for the future of Yharnam? Is it trapped in the Hunter's Dream with the Doll?

>>46525211
my guess, witch is probaly wrong, he ascended as a great one child, like and adoption thing, and he be learnig how to roll with those great old one power thingies

>>46525337
>>46525211
>the hunter transcends into the BBEG of Demons Souls...

>>46525337
Who adopted him? Or did he simply turn into a completely new species of alien at the end?

>>46525399
nah, that was god being hollowed

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>>46525421
"why, I did Good Hunter!"
"and I do promise, to care for you as long as you require."

>>46525520
>the doll is full of motherly love
>thr hunter is a newborn great old one
>bloodborne 2 is about dealling about a inexpert old one who fucked up hard some place and the player is traped in

bam, bloodborne 2

>>46514707
>this thread is still up
She should be fucking ridiculous but the mis en scene makes her cool.

>>46525755
>this thread is still up

Lots of love for our Lady Maria. No actual progress on thread topic though

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>>46525661
Yes, so motherly.

>>46521411
>bb
>poptimized bulds
It's literally 50 VIT, 17 STA, 50 primary attack stat, 25 secondary attack stat.

>>46525838
dude the game is full of motherly love, complely mad and in ways humans cannot understand but yes, full of it
remember that ambiet audio that was like a song? it wasnt humming, it was a lubaly

>>46525942
>17 STA

>>46525989
You need a proofreader.

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>>46525211

The ascension ending has always been really strange to me, since what you become only really remotely resembles Kos, or maybe Ebrietas. It'd be weird if you were supposed to be a baby Flora since you don't really look like it.

That said, well, I'm not sure of this myself, but there is a possibility that all Great Ones are not individual unique entities, but different parts of a single species' life-cycle, or maybe there's only a few Great One species. For example, Mergo's Wet Nurse shares the same sort of limbs as the Amygdalas and appears to be of the same race. Incidentally, the Amygdalas appear to condone the Mensis ritual... although they could just be around there, chillin'.

Rom seems to have been a human being at one (a vacuous one, according to Micolash). We see the remains of a spider-like Great One like Rom in the Alter of Despair. Ebrietas is lamenting over it. These remains may be the corpse of Ebrietas' parent (maybe passed into the nightmare, leaving her behind?) or they may be the shell of Ebrietas herself, in which case whatever Rom became is a previous stage of Ebrietas. For no good reason, the remains are able to restore Annalise's pulpy corpse instantly.

Oedon is formless and would appear to be a different sort of existence from the other Great Ones, but when he impregnates Arianna, she ends up birthing a celestial larvae just like Ebrietas is presumably able to spawn through some undefined means, perhaps mutation of church members.

At least two of the dried umbilical cords (Gehrman's,and Mensis', though possibly Isoefka's too if didn't just come from her own body) were probably taken off the corpse of Kos when they dissected her and killed her unborn child, but they were able to be used to call different Great Ones - Flora in the case of Gehrman and Mergo (Oedon's child by Queen Yahrnam) in the case of Mensis.

So Great Ones are very interrelated, if not outright the same type of being at different stages of life which you become.

>>46526056
no shit, sherlock

>>46526074
What if you actually resemble Oedon finally given form? You absorb umbilical cords which at least two could be the result of it impregnating Arianna and Fake Iosefka

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does anyone here thing the doll could have done with just a bit more spoken lines?

>>46524277
>whole game built around social aspects and the ability to invade and summon help
>"that's not how you're suppose to play the game!"

I wonder who's wrong here...

>>46526353
Co-op and PvP were always tertiary, at best. You have to go out of your way to activate more interaction than messages.

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>>46526154

That's an interesting theory... But then, the other two would have to come from Kos.

Iosefka's umbilical cord may also come from Kos, but it doesn't really matter - it's either from Kos or Oedon regardless.

Maybe you become a Kos/Oedon hybrid? Although you really could just be a baby Kos, looking at her appearance.

And Kos was able to able to empower the curse that created the Hunter's Nightmare.

Hunters were necessitated by Flora being beckoned and manifesting as the Paleblood Moon, causing the mutations of the Old Blood to grow out of control. Although maybe the mutations would happen with or without its presence? Well, either way, it definitely makes things worse.

Incidentally, Oedon works through the Old Blood as well:
"Human or no, the oozing blood is a medium of the highest grade, and the essence of the formless Great One. Both Oedon, and his inadvertent worshipers, surreptitiously seek the precious blood."
Blood Dregs (Oedon sperm): "The Vilebloods of Cainhurst, blood-lusting hunters, see these frightful things in coldblood. They often appear in the blood of echo fiends, that is to say, the blood of hunters. Queen Annalise partakes in these blood dreg offerings, so that she may one day bear the Child of Blood, the next Vileblood heir."

We're not really told what the "medium of the highest grade" which creates the Old Blood actually is, simply that it was found in the Chalice Dungeons. Ebrietas was very likely dredged out of the Chalice Dungeons as well, so "the medium" might be referring to her. It might even be the red fluid she regurgitates when you fight her that was refined by the Healing Church's Blood Saints to be closer to human blood so it doesn't just automatically make you go insane (although it could've caused the people exposed to mutate into celestial larvae). Alternatively, it's just outright her own briny blood. I guess it doesn't matter either way.

>>46526537
>You will never save the real Iosefka, and build a relationship with her helping save the few humans of Yharnam and defending the clinic from a siege of beasts

>>46526640
A-ha-ha, but you can!

Through the power of TAAAABLETOP GAAAMING..!

>>46526793
yeah, but then you have to share the experience with someone else...

>>46526896
Sharing is caring, anon.

>>46523179
>>46523089
I don't think it was a ritual gone wrong, it seemed more like creating the One Reborn was the end goal, and all the boxes and people fused into walls were maybe prototypes.

As for the hunters, they were the ones who went around kidnapping everyone for the ritual, along with those bag guys.

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>>46527030
I just figured the ritual that summoned the one reborn was a final stopgap between the hunter and Yahar'gul to stop him from dealing with Micolash, myself.

>mfw learning I could kill the bell ringers in that fight after I beat it

>>46526074
I always thought that the inside-part of Ebrietas' face looked like a strawberry.

>>46524188
"nothin personnel, kid"

>>46527030
>>46527110
I'm pretty sure the One Reborn was the crazy fuckers at Mensis' attempt at making their own artificial Great One. All of their test subjects that were brought to Yahar'gul, along with most of it's inhabitants by the look of it were fused into one being by some ritual. Obviously it didn't go as planned, and they just wound up with a giant pile of undead flesh. I imagine the Mensis Ritual which created the Nightmare was their next attempt to make contact, with even worse results.

>>46527274
"Y-you, too"

>>46527279
The Celestial Emissary was a successful artificial great old one, created by the humans to communicate with the great old ones.
The Living Failures were the failed attempts at creating a Celestial Emissary.

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>>46517262
>Actually doll is for motherly love specifically and only.
Gherman's frustrated because she's not the woman he wanted, and that whenever he looks at her he sees what he can never have.

>>46527274
She doesn't teleport though.

>>46526640
>not wifing Iosefka's imposter and chortling your way to enlightenment ob the backs of the poor

>>46527733
Until a Great One cucks you and makes her endlessly shiver from carrying its child

>>46519517
>often getting "bullied" by groups of 2 to 3 players
Well, she was pretty blatantly designed for one on one fights.

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>>46517299
That artist is so freaking cool.

>>46527897
>multiplayer game
>designing encounters for 1 player

Seems like they fucked up.

>>46527955
Human-sized bosses in Souls/Borne games are always designed to be fought alone, though. Fighting them with extras tends to cheapen the experience.

>>46519517
>She's such a wimp when you have help

>>46528113
I was just explaining where the jokes come from, no need to go full defense force there, Gehrman.

>>46528080
[citation needed]

>>46528418
It's a survival-horror game. Isolation is one of the biggest factors in this.

>>46528113
To be fair, she's a wimp even when you don't have help if you figure out some of her crippling weaknesses. She was incredibly hard for me the first few times until I accidentally used tentacle magic and saw how incredibly it wrecked her shit.

>>46528530
It's also a multiplayer game.

>>46528530
it's not survival horror

i agree the game is best played alone, but i don't think it's intended that way.

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>>46528530
>Bloodborne
>Survival Horror

>>46527846
Is the dead executioner on the ground there in the original? It looks like MS paint.

>>46527605
Quickstepping.

>>46528620
>>46528643
Yes, it actually is, much more so than any other that wears that label.

Consider this: how tense do you get as you explore areas with large numbers of souls? Much more so than any game that tries to build tension through predictable jump scares, I'd wager.

>>46528530
>survival-horror

lol

>Isolation

With ghosts of other players running around everywhere, getting to see their deaths, invading you, leaving messages, helping you.

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>>46528608
It's a single player game that lets you bring others in if you want.

>>46528763
>running around with tons of souls instead of cashing them in
>"lol, tension, u guys"

>>46528800
Or is it a multiplayer game with an offline mode for poorfags who can't afford internet?

>>46528763
>Yes, it actually is
no, it's just a solo game that has the option for pussies to bitch out and call for help

>>46528854
Seeing as how you need a non-renewable resource to bring dudes in or fight them, I'd say the former.

>>46528763
>caring about souls
>an infinite resource

Scrub detected. I bet you care about getting your bloodstain if you die too.

>>46528763
tension does not survival horror make

>>46528854
>have to go out of your way to pvp or co-op
>pvp has never been balanced in any souls game
>co-op is hilariously easy
>designed for multiplayer

So how about those stats, eh?

>>46528763
It's an action rpg set in a horror-themed setting. It's not a horror game. If the story was told from the perspective of one of the other inhabitants of Yarnham you meet, trying to stay locked inside, it might be a horror game, but when told from the vantage of a hunter, it's not.

>>46528983
No one gives a fuck

>>46529081
You're here, so contribute or piss off.

>>46528917
What do you mean non-renewable?

>>46528971
Yes, all those social aspects of the game are just tacked onto all the games, it was never designed to actually be anything.

>>46529131
I think he meant to say consumable, but yeah, I don't agree either. I think multiplayer and co-op were always a focus.

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>>46528983
I'm more curious about this guy's stats. Dex? Quality?

>>46528344
I know, I'm mostly mocking the meme.

Why is the doll so tall?

>>46528947
Yeah, it kinda does. Without it you've got...nothing.

>>46529225
Well, his real body was confined to a wheelchair. The only reason he was able to get up and fling his scythe around at you was because you were both inside his dream, the Hunter's Dream. His actual physical condition was too poor to do any fighting, so I'd probably stat real-world Gehrman with low Con. Dream Gehrman would be closer to how he was when he was younger and in better shape, probably high physical scores in general. STR, CON, DEX, the works.

>>46529002
It's a much of a survival horror game as resident evil 4 is.

>>46529097
Make me.

>>46529002
Being able to kill monsters doesn't preclude a game game being a horror game.

>>46529283
I never played resident evil 4, so I don't really have any counterargument to that.

>>46529316
The fact that you get increasingly stronger, rpg style, by defeating larger and larger enemies, and that the game focuses on this, does. Only thing horror about it is its setting.

>>46529360
Setting, difficulty, general theme, etc. All those things that make a horror game a horror game.

>>46520764
>>46520764

Anyone have any good ideas?

>>46529398
A horror game doesn't focus on you forcibly climbing your way up the ranks of power to take on stronger and stronger foes. As challenging as it is, the games of the souls series are ultimately still games focused on self-fulfillment.


unless it's some sort of bizarre deconstruction of that concept.

>>46529131
>non-renewable
Only so much insight in a game.

>>46529468
I fucked up my post. I meant to put "unless it's some sort of bizarre deconstruction of that concept." after "forcibly climbing your way up the ranks of power to take on stronger and stronger foes" in parentheses, and then clarify that the souls series do not deconstruct this concept.

>>46529503
That's literally not true though. Sinister Bell allows you to gain Insight without use of Madmen Knowledge or witnessing horrific events.

Holy shit I just want ideas on how to write up her weapon stats and class abilities, can we please do that instead of arguing over what is/is not horror?

>>46529670
No, this is now a survival horror multiplayer experience. You will never get your answers.

>>46529468
You're dropped into a city of madness and told "seek paleblood." At first it's just you trying to find your way through a city full of crazies, but crazies who strangely hate you above all others. Gothic horror, facing the horror of the knowable, things that are or were human. These poor wretches you kill are those who succumbed to the treatment you received, and you must press on for the cure.

As you progress the true horror of the game, the cosmic, unknowable, Lovecraftian horror reveals itself. The horror is now much bigger than just you and being able to kill these horrors still doesn't make it not a horror game.

>>46529670
What system then?

>>46529729
D&D 5th edition, please.

>>46529670
It's definitely horror, it's just not survival horror, you're more than capable enough to take out every dude in the game without much trouble.
In survival horror you're lucky to even get an attack mechanic. People blame RE4 for ruining the franchise but it was really RE that started the slide.

>>46529741
Same base stats as a twinblade, able to switch to a pair of sabers as a free action, may add an extra 1D6(2D6 when joined) magic damage and 1D6(2D6 when joined) flame damage when the user's health falls below 50%.

Can't say I'm familiar enough with 5th ed to say her class specific stuff, but speed, dodging, and weapon expertise are a given.

>>46529924
What about her activated abilities like stabbing herself to empower her blade, both in terms of range and also damage? Should that come into play?

>>46529750
It would be true to classify bloodborne as horror if it were a written novel, but it is not. As games are an interactive medium, part of how a game's genre is classified is in how it's presented to the player. Bloodborne, despite its disturbing elements, is still, as an action rpg, still focused on self aggrandizement, and it therefore cannot be a horror game. If most of the means of improving one's self in bloodborne were removed, I could see your point, but even then, it would be very poorly presented as a horror game. Because games are interactive, and, therefore, how a game treats its player contributes largely to what it is as a genre, a game needs to make a player feel powerless against the monster/whatever is meant to be feared, without offering a reliable method of the character improving themselves and almost trivializing previously unopposable enemies.

The souls series, even outside of bloodborne, has always been classified as dark fantasy, which is, by definition, fantasy with horror elements, but again, this is only the setting, and, as a game, there is a lot more to characterizing bloodborne's genre than its setting, namely its presentation.

>>46529966
Damage would be the magic and flaming stuff. The range...I'm honestly not sure how that'd play in. Re-roll attack misses with a penalty maybe since it does have that trail that makes it such a pain to dodge.

>>46529272
>Well, his real body was confined to a wheelchair.
What? That was his dream body. MP literally confined him to a wheel chair, like it does to you at the end of the game. We don't know how strong Gherman in his prime was, but it was probably strong. Dream Gherman is as strong as the MP allows him to be. I would imagine he would have low Con though.

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Looking to get The Old Hunters DLC tomorrow. Is a Strength/Skill build good for using a variety of weapons? What about STR/ARC?

>>46529741
level 20 fighter, only faster.

as a legendary action, an attack with fire damage and increased range (which she starts using below 50% health).

>>46530089
Holy Moonlight Greatsword is a good STR weapon, but the ARC only applies to the wave attacks it makes.

>>46530089
Cannon and wheel for me. You haven't seen fun until you parry something with a cannonball to the face.

>>46530089
Str/Skill will get you let you use Church Pick HLB (depending on your arc you may not get a lot out of the beams though). Str/Arc lets you grab Whirligig (which has great scaling if you want to do an elemental weapon). Otherwise you could try the Amygdala Arm or Boom Hammer, but their arc scaling is shit and they're more strength focused. Make sure you grab the two new spells, they both rock.

You're going to have a ton of fun.

>>46530106

Cool, thanks. I've heard good things about the Pizza Cutter, what other DLC weapons are worth looking at? Also, what's the "Skillfag" thing about? Is it the new Hexbabby?

>>46530118

Just interested in DLC weapons.

>>46530181
For the builds you described, the ones listed in the few posts above you fit your builds the best. The DLC weapons are basically filling up every niche, such as str/blt, pure dex, pure arc, that sort of thing. Basically every build will find something in the DLC.

Except Blt/Arc sadly

>>46512894
Its strange that she gets shreked the most by str-end builds the most

>>46515367
>*only applies to skill builds

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>Best weapon

>>46530318
>the normal R1 ducks bullets
Saif is so fucking cool. Plus its easy as shit to rush to, I love how the DLC improved the weapon variety so much. It basically doubled the weapon count and half of them are available right after Amelia.

>>46521651
You must've never run any hunter axe build ever then, the rally combined with the stunlock, then tossing in the spin2win and MASSIVE damage, further boosting rally, holy cthlulu

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>Lady Maria
>Not waifuing best girl

Adella is the only proper choice.

>>46530629
No hat, no deal.

>>46530629
The only thing she's best at is providing HP. Her appeal as someone who admires you deteriorates after she kills Arianna and goes nuts post-Blood Moon.
>>46530723
2hu please leave

>>46530735
Never had that happen, I noticed her staring one time and stopped. That and the healing effect is far more useful than increased stamina regen.

Also she's a cute nun, and no temporary bout of insanity will ever ruin that. Everyone sans the Good Hunter goes insane post bloodmoon.

>>46530629
I kind of want a picture of Arianna with the text, "Oedon Tested, Oedon Approved"

>>46530735
2hu shouldn't have a monopoly on sweet hats.

>>46530861
If you draw blood from Arianna 3+ times while Adella's in the church, nun goes nuts and kills her.
That happened to me, and on top of that I went into Iosefka's clinic and killed the impostor too early, so here I am with two umbilical cords and none more.
Which leads me to ask, what happens if you eat all three before the end of the game?

>>46530935
It's what you have to do to unlock the third ending.

Save your game to USB when the Hunter house switches over. Reject the final offer and fight the two bosses to get it.

>>46530935
Just do that on NG+.

>>46511981
Do I need PS+ to use the hunter messages?

>>46527955

It's a single-player game with the capacity to engage in multiplayer you fucking retard.

It is designed to be played alone.

You automatically play alone unless you deliberately do otherwise.

Entire sections of the game are designed for solo player.

You have to go to specific areas or do specific things if you want to play with other people.

Although you don't even have to leave the house to be a retard.

>>46531399
>this just in, games that allow for co-operative and competitive gameplay are not 'multiplayer' games by design

>>46528080
>be poorfag
>no interwebs
>play vers1.3 of bloodboune solo
>finally get interwebs back
>see everyone 1v3 bosses like gascy, amygda Amelia, logarius.
Wreck average players when they out their edgy snowflake bloodtinge skill katana build against my brutally cunning axe strend build
>laugh as they think their dodges and tricks can save them
>realise 3v1-ing every boss has made the majority of elitist a bunch of hypocrites
"Reeks of vilebloods, therefore no mercy hunter of hunters"

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>>46530629
>church filth
>good

>best waifus
>best NPCs and NPC quest lines
>best lore
>best area
>best bosses
>best weapons
>best armors
>best NPC fight

Vileblood master race, wheel cucks need not apply

>>46531913
Mah nigga

>>46531913
>Annalise
>not the worst girl by a landslide
maybe one day after she gets knocked up by oedon she'll accept your proposal and you can have the privilege of raising your wife's son

>>46531975
We've got Maria, too.

>>46531997
Maria renounced th vilebloods, didn't she?

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>>46531913
>best waifus

but the best husbando is an executioner

>>46531808
If your axe was winning against chikages they weren't using it right.

>>46532017
Initially, but then she fell back into the old ways, hence her use of a "blood blade".

>>46532054
she works for the church though

not really a friend of the queen

>>46532054
She only did that to kill the PC though, and in a vague dream alternative self situation that still had her rakuyo despite her having discarded it

>>46532017
Being a vileblood is one of those things that you can't really stop being no matter how much you may hate it. There's also Arianna who's a vileblood but only on a technicality.

>>46532054
only after she went crazy with the guilt of all the things she did in the Hamlet and the patients in the Research Hall. she had the Rakuyo specifically because she disliked the use of blood blades. but once you go full Church, you never go back.

>>46532076
she was related to the queen by blood, but she was not apart of the family in the sense of having any personal ties.

she was born of the blood, made strong by the Old blood in her veins and what she took when she hunted

in the end, it was Blood that would be her undoing

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>>46526460

fake Iosefka's one is most likely from Ebrietas - she's a rogue member of the Choir and has an augur of ebrietas.

The medium of the highest grade is the quicksilver you use in guns - it's why oedon's runes all do things with quicksilver, and why the vileblood gear all has bloodtinge or bloodtinge related shenanigans with it (and thus why Oedon gifts Arianna, the bastard of the vilebloods, with child).

I occasionally wonder if maybe the Doll isn't Oedon - he's mentioned as being "formless" but having "a voice", so it'd make sense to some extent that he might work through the doll, or that the doll isn't really moving but we are hearing it's "voice"

>>46531059

Yup, all multiplayer stuff, including hunter messages is locked behind the PS+ paywall mfw literally too stingy to pay for internet access a second time from Sony

>>46532203
The doll is a human made thing though, she says as much, and there isn't really any reason to doubt it.
>"Hunters have told me about the church. About the gods, and their love. But... do the gods love their creations? I am a doll, created by you humans. Would you ever think to love me? Of course... I do love you. Isn't that how you've made me?"

Everyone knows the doll is puppeted by messengers stacked on top of each other, that's why she bleeds white

>guy who did Paleblood Hunt makes BB videos talking about things that he didn't put in PH
>all really good and thought out, granting one exception that im still not sure about

to be honest, even he says that the Hunter and Brador are from the Hamlet where Kos washed up and that he and Brador know each other

still not sure if i believe yet

>>46532111
Arianna is a descendant of the vilebloods. She's like, a partial-vileblood or something. The game is unclear.

>>46532280
that's vaati tier bullshit

>>46532280
*he says that it's crazy

that should go after the spoiler

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>>46532280
the hunter is a little too finely dressed at the beginning to come from a village of mad fish peasants

>>46532292
Yea but her blood is that of a vileblood.

>>46532111
You can totally stop. Just unequip the rune.

>>46532382
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAfaggot

>>46532203
Man, I'm still working on the Chalice dungeons and I was wondering how high "smells like dead body" below a certain ledge in Central Yharnam would go.

>>46532333
he makes the point that Brador is wearing the same pants as the hunter when he arrives, the Foreigners set. the Lone Survivor says that he is from a Hamlet, and it is the only one that gives you a definitive thing about the Hunters past. if you don't talk to brador after you kill ludwig, get the key from simon either by killing him or waiting until the end then go talk to him, his dialogue stays the same. it always starts with

>Oh, its you

we don't know what the Hamlet was like before it went all deep one on us
>>46532295
even he says it is crazy, but he believes it. im on the fence.

for reference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUqtL-MS76I

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>>46532203
>fake Iosefka's one is most likely from Ebrietas - she's a rogue member of the Choir and has an augur of ebrietas.

No, there is no particular evidence to support this. Both Yurie (an agent of the Choir) and Micolash also use Augur of Ebrietas as well as A Call Beyond. These do not indicate any particular link with Ebrietas beyond that which high-ranking members of the church would be expected to have. These tools are really just the allotment of spells common to experienced scholars of the eldritch.

Iosefka's cord most likely came from either Kos or were her own after experiencing immaculate conception.
Her cord states:
>"Provost Willem sought the Cord in order to elevate his being and thoughts to those of a Great One by lining his brain with eyes. The only choice, he knew, if man were to ever match Their greatness."
Willem being the headmaster of Byrgenwerth, who were the ones who pillaged Kos' corpse, most likely retrieving the original umbilical cord segments that would end up being used by Gehrman to beckon Flora to take him into the dream and Mensis for use in their own ritual. The third cord may have been taken by Iosefka, therefore, and that's the one you receive off her corpse after killing Rom. Speaking of Rom, however, she may have been the one to use the third Cord to become a Great One, so Iosefka's cord might just be her own.

>The medium of the highest grade is the quicksilver you use in guns

No, this is patently false. The bullets are themselves made from blood.
Their description states: "Ordinary bullets have no effect on beasts, and so Quicksilver Bullets, fused with the wielder's own blood, must be employed."
So Oedon's medium really is JUST the blood. Bloodtinge is based on your own blood, since Quicksilver Bullets are made from blood. Blood weapons like the Chikage are based on YOUR OWN blood.

(cont)

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>>46532203
>>46532551

All that said, I made a flagrant mistatement in the post before my last here: >>46526460

What I meant to say was
"We're not really told what the "holy medium" which..." etc.

I did not mean to say "medium of the highest grade" which refers to Oedon. The holy medium I'm referring to is talked about by Alfred:

>"The Healing Church is the foundation of blood healing. Well, I'm a simple hunter, quite unfamiliar with the ins and outs of the institution. But I have heard that the holy medium of blood healing is venerated in the main cathedral. And that councillors of the old church reside in the high stratum of the Cathedral Ward."
>"The tomb of the gods, carved out below Yharnam, should be familiar to every hunter. Well, once a group of young Byrgenwerth scholars discovered a holy medium deep within the tomb. This led to the founding of the Healing Church, and the establishment of blood healing."

We never hear what exactly this holy medium is, but as I stated before, it's implied to be Ebrietas.

The Blood Saints are also used as "mediums," taking the edge off of the potent blood even as their own blood becomes more and more tainted. That's why they're revered, since they're basically walking blood banks.

>I occasionally wonder if maybe the Doll isn't Oedon - he's mentioned as being "formless" but having "a voice", so it'd make sense to some extent that he might work through the doll, or that the doll isn't really moving but we are hearing it's "voice"

Ehhh... I don't really think that has merit either. There's just really not much evidence to support that notion beyond wild speculation. Sorry man.

>>46532037
If the average chikage user can't land their hits, or go up against a "brute" build like his that's wearing bloodtinge resistant gear the chikage gets stomped when they start getting the hits from the axe, they lack endurance, which brutes will built for in counter form

>>46532510
>>46532442
Nope. Don't buy it. He's clearly meant to be a mirror of the player who was once a hunter attached to the dream a la Eileen or Djura, but he was also a foreigner. Brador's set doesn't even mirror the foreigner's set exactly, it's just similar. Only one origin references a past location and the word hamlet is not unique to the Fishing Hamlet, nor does the timeline suggest that the FH massacre happened even close to the events of the main game. In his video he basically just discards the idea of a timeline entirely.

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>>46532248

The Doll is a copy of Lady Maria, created by Gehrman and given life by the Moon Presence.

You could argue that the Moon Presence gave the Doll life as part of the agreement it had with Gehrman, although the likely thing is Gehrman asked for the doll to "love him" and the Moon Presence, being a Great One, believed that the love he was referring to was motherly love, which is why the Plain Doll is so goddamn motherly and Gehrman just sorta despises her.

>>46532713
the 'Holy Medium' is Old Blood, that is, the blood that they found in the chalice dungeons.

Ebritas is a source of Old Blood, until they cultivate their own with blood saints and Ayyy's

>>46532812
Yea but a lot of people pull out various weird things revolving around the doll, like her being a great one, and such when, like you said she's a doll made by Gehrman, with the only connection being to the moon presence.

>>46532737
Do you actually pvp in bloodborne?
I mean I think the axe can out range the chikage pretty easily but axes don't beat the chikage by spamming for longer periods of time due to high endurance

>>46532774
>caring about linear time in a souls series

time is fluid in the dream lands. Djura and Elieen had taken blood, which is known to make people live longer. Brador was never attached to the Hunters Dream. he was just a church assassin until he killed his friend, which may or may not be Laurence. he locked himself up so no one would know the churches secret that Blood causes beasthood.

im still on the fence, but he does raise a few good points.

this is the one sticking point on anything that he has talked about. i generally agree with him on most things, but this is just a little to far for me to say i believe him

>>46532964
>Caring about linear time in a souls series
They all have linear time, they just end up walking in circles. Artorias of the Abyss had absolutely linear time, DaS2 despite being a pathetic cluster fuck had linear time as all the bosses were just descendants of past bosses in DaS1 and there were clear events that happened before the events of the game.

>>46532956
Rally nigga, rally with more health and end
How many chikage buildhave you seen take five hits from an axe build?
Now reverse that

>Dark Souls had OnS
>Bloodborne has Amelia

What do Demons and Dark Souls 2 have? As far as Gatekeeper bosses.

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>>46524275
Dishonered and Theif have mildly similar settings(at least in terms of surface aesthetics), so maybe them

>>46525211
>>46525337
>>46525421
>>46525520
>>46525661
>>46526074
>>46526154
>>46526460
well there's always the Paleblood Hunt's theory

>>46532812

This guy knows how to Souls lore.

Do not extrapolate overmuch. Do not wildly theorize. Work within the details and associations we are given to the best of your ability.

>>46532824

That's what I'm asserting. That Ebrietas is what was found in the Chalice Dungeons and became the source of the Old Blood.

>>46533024
Again, do you actually pvp in bloodborne?
Nobody eats five hits in a row. And if they did the chikage would be doing more damage because it has better scaling unless the axe is 50str/50skl in which case it wouldn't have room for endurance unless you play at like 150.

>>46533039
>the doll is a great one

nah, i doubt that MP would have let it hang around while he rused hunters into killing Mergo

>>46533026

Demon's Souls had the Flamelurker in 2-2, who was guaranteed to killfuck anyone who didn't 1) master rolling 2) have spells or 3) bring friends.

Dark Souls 2? Nobody springs to mind? Ruin Sentinels, maybe?

>stat me thread
>hitting bumplimit
>the character was actually statted (twice)

How?

>>46533118
Talking about the game it's based on, with most people not actually caring about the stats in the first place.

>>46533118
Bloodborne is great, and has enough lore for people to argue about without actually having a definite answer about a number of minor things that ultimately changes how the story is for each person

>>46533054
Have you used an axe?
Again, rally potential

>>46533170
>tfw I care about the stats

But not for Maria herself, but the Hunter Tools. I don't have a clue how to write those up in 5E.

>>46533180
No one sits around eating each others r1s in pvp unless both players are retarded
PvP with people who actually dodge
And I have used the axe, the best thing about it is easily the reach, sweeps, and hyper armor on the tricked r1, l2 and uncharged r2

>>46532934

That's just people trying to really get out there with their claims in the hopes something will actually stick.

The Plain Doll is exactly what she appears to be, a mother figure given life out of a misunderstanding between Gehrman (who believed in romantic or courtly love, hence "how to woo fair maidens") and the Moon Presence (who believes entirely in motherly love, as Great Ones are baby crazy.)

>>46533250
and the poke dash attack in tricked form, can't forget that shit

>>46533097

I would say the Smelter Demon, since it comes reasonably early, and requires you to actually think through the fight and make clear and deliberate use of the game mechanics. Except it's optional, so... not really?

>>46533026

Demon's Souls goes Tutorial Stage -> Boletaria 1 -> every path in the entire game is open. So the closest equivalent boss would be Phalanx.

Dark Souls 2 is fucking weird because it doesn't really open up or circle around itself like Dark Souls does. It's just one succession of linear paths after another. There's the beginning of the game where you go through Things Betwixt and then the Forest of Fallen Giants, then the sorta early mid-game is where you go get the Great Souls and murder the Lost Sinner, the Old Iron King, the Rotten, and Freja. After that the late game is just Drangleic Castle onward and Aldia's Keep onward and a short revisit to the Forest of Fallen Giants. So you could say that the game opens up successively, but because your paths are frankly foregone conclusions anyway, it doesn't really feel like it ever opens up.

Dark Souls 3 feels comparatively linear as well and does not have a point where it "opens up," but in that regard it's done better and feels much more like a combination of Dark Souls and Bloodborne. The path that's set is somewhat straightforward, but there's all sorts of looping routes and branching areas that weave into each other. The map is well-designed again, thank god.

>>46533283
>So the closest equivalent boss would be Phalanx.
He means gatekeeper in a "git gud or never beat this stage" way. Flamelurker fits that pretty well.

>>46533364
>Amelia is a gatekeeper

nope, it's either Gas, the first mandatory boss of the game where you either know the core mechanics or you don't, or Shadows where you demonstrate the execution of those skills

>>46533281

Optional, and depending on what path you take, you could have beaten 2/3 Old Ones by the time you first meet him, first gatekeeper boss is probably going to be the first Old One you face, or maybe one of the NPC invaders in SotFS.

I'd also go as far to say that the Capra Demon is a gatekeeper in DS1.

>>46533364

Oh, yeah.

DeS is kinda hard because of its open-ended nature, but Flamelurker is definitely the obligatory choice. There's also the Maneaters, but they're not so much "git gud" as "pray to god."

Dark Souls 2 has shitty bosses. Smelter Demon is a decent pick, though. Or maybe Freja.

>>46533250
>not putting in its massive rally quality
>for the sake of clarity, rally is the health returned when you are damaged, then immediately do damage back
Next you get a chance start looking at the rally health you get back on a single hit, the damn thing excels at trades, especially adding gems that boost that rally potential and adding the hyperarmor on top you'll get axe builds that swing through staggers and who have much more health returned in the "dodge in-hit-dodge out" encounters people are fond of
never discount the rally

>>46533401
What's it say when the only boss someone had trouble on, and STILL has trouble on, is bloodstarved beast?

Admittedly Ludwig was a pain in the ass but nothing was as frustrating as being caught by bloodstarved.

>>46533423
>first gatekeeper boss is probably going to be the first Old One you face

Uhhh...

>Lost Sinner
>does the same combo over and over and over

>Old Iron King
>very easy to dodge attacks
>look at those cute little fires!

>The Rotten
>no ranged

>Freja
>actually kind of annoying due to her fucking spider adds and her web attack

>>46533529
a gatekeeper is implied to be a mandatory boss that tests your ability to master the skills of the game

>>46533491
>adding rally gems
Not even once. I know what rally is. I know what a trade is. The problem with rally is that it works on a per hit basis, meaning you lose your rally potential as soon as someone shoots you, connects another attack, or you can't connect an attack.
The axe can trade well with its hyper armor but not without damage gems to make the trade worth taking.

>>46533270
on the other hand if Plain Doll was merely something animated by the Moon Presence wouldn't she stop functioning after it's defeat, instead of taking care of you once you become an Infant Great One?

also should we do another thread once this one hits page 9 or lower?

>>46533587
>also should we do another thread once this one hits page 9 or lower?

Nah, general threads are how good things become cancer.

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>>46533579
That's why you take both!!!!

>>46533587
>should we do another thread

Only if it were to discuss how to translate Bloodborne mechanics into tabletop settings (which I'd love to do, if you make the thread and link it).

General discussion of Bloodborne lore should go to /vg/ > /bbg/ though.

More speaking beasts could've been interesting. A conversation with Amelia or Laurence, post-mortem, even would've been neat. Shed some light on what the Healing Church was up to.

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>Bloodborne thread on /tg/ is better and faster than the one on /vg/
>Even when it's just "stat me" shitposts

Don't even need other Hunter's Dreams.

>>46533587
>on the other hand if Plain Doll was merely something animated by the Moon Presence wouldn't she stop functioning after it's defeat, instead of taking care of you once you become an Infant Great One?

Maybe you're animating her then

>>46533795
I didn't intend for it to be a shitpost, I genuinely want to know how to chalk up the abilities Maria uses in-game so we can bring them to game night.

Life is suffering.

>>46533676
>Only if it were to discuss how to translate Bloodborne mechanics into tabletop settings (which I'd love to do, if you make the thread and link it).
I wouldn't make it myself(have consistently bad experiences doing so), but yeah I've been fiddling with a Bloodborne-like setting, if someone makes another thread I'll talk about what I've thought up so far

>>46531913
Maria renounced the vilebloods and went to work for the church/with gehrman
She only uses blood attacks in the Nightmare because it's not the real Maria because she an heroed. (It's the aspect of her that went mad)

Best weapon is either the Wheel, Kirkhammer, BB or Holy Moonlight Sword; chikage a shit.

Black Church Garb is demonstrably sexier than the noble clothing or vileblood armour.

Church also has Brador and he's fucking rad.

>>46533896
I'll make the thread. Really need some things converted to dnd5.

>>46533682
>Shed some light on what the Healing Church was up to.

it's cut and dry
>fishing hamlet receives dick sucking lips washing up on their shore dead
>proceed to worship dick sucking lips, turn into fish people when they get great one herpes that turn them into fish people
>Bergenweryth rolls up, Gherman and Maria kill everyone looking for Eyes, rip open dick sucking lips womb and pull the dead featus of REEEE out
>bergenweryth stuy REEEE, old blood discovered
>Willem says no to drugs you don't know where they came from, better stick with that fresh and dank insight, know wha' im sayin

>Laurence split from bergenweryth because he said to himself
>shit man that old blood is crazy as fuck, but what did Willem say about it? that's right, he said to use it and study it!"
>(wizards.png)

>he leaves with students, founds the basis of the church, experiments with blood and stuff in the swamp
>shit happens, ashen plague happens, old yharnam is burned, healing church hailed as saviors, don't have to do it in shadows anymore
>churhc keks invade Glorious Vileblood home
>ludwigh forms healing church
>church gets big, using blood to catapult them to the top of the city, thus taking control of the city. set up possibly real religion, send micolash to study great ones while laurence messes with old blood
>laurence dies, turns into cleric beast
>either beofre Laurence or after, Maria goes crazy with guilt and An Heros

>more shit, but not important shit happens
>game starts

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>>46533902
>chikage a shit
rope yourself my dude

>>46533587
The hunter's dream doesn't go away when the Moon Presence is killed, either as a new great one the PC is doing what the Moon Presence was, or there is a lasting effect that doesn't rely upon the Moon Presence.

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>>46533902
>maria renounced Vileblood

she is born and raised Vileblood

>church garb better looking than Knights set, the one actual dress in the game, and the one actual armor set in the game

>>46533896
Here

>>46533979
>>46533979

>>46532442
There's no way the Good Hunter is from the fishing Hamlet.

The lore itself implies that the entire village was culled after the whole Orphan of Kos thing, there's even items which hint at the residents (Fish people) being experimented on by the Church

As for Brador saying "Oh, it's you" most players fight or have fought Brador by that point. He doesn't know exactly who you are but you are one of the people other than Simon he is actively trying to stop from discovering the Church's darkest secrets.