Horus Heresy General

>>46390193

Let's make the most of April Fools. Make a Legion/Imperial Army/Mechanicum character out of your name.

>>46390212
Col Ton'Kni. RG character. Does anyone see the +(You) this post on here?

>>46390258

That's for upvoting. We Reddit now.

Also Hernandez sounds like one of Polux's Imperial Fists Veterans who would later found the Crimson Fists.

>>46390269
But I am still great at building walls right?

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Dude. What kind of joke is this?

>>46390361

April Fools, sister.

>>46390384
I still don't understand the names. Why?

>>46390398

We Reddit/Google+ Now.

This thread will never recover, so I might as well post this.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Mechanicum-Ordinatus-Sagittar

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>>46390417
Ah. More Martian dubstep is always nice.

So i was thinking about using the new 30th anniversary marine as Exodus

Anyone else had any idea for models for the meme-sniper?

>>46390417
>dat dick cannon

Fucking hell thats pretty

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>>46390193
My Captain's name is

>>46390554
Kerrie Mckenzie. His parents must have wanted a girl.

>>46390605
it sucks ass I'm not using it.

fuck yall

>>46390608
Or use it as the name be tried to hide due to embarrassment, Lottie.

>>46390620

>Dickson

Now that's a name for one of Fulgrim's boys.

>>46390632
Use it and your first name. Sylvester Dickson.

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What is his real name?

>>46390688
Genevieve Rocha. Of all the names this makes sense in context.

>>46390706
Dont know whether I should be dissapointed or not

>>46390720
I'm not, Israel. It's Alpharius's name now and forever.

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Hi /tg/, what are the top 3 legions ?
I want to test 30k, but my club is a competitive fuckery full of moritat combo and 8 S:D template Reaver titan.
Are death guard good ?

>>46391013

Well Miss Hatfield, Death Guard are a pretty good shooty footslogger Legion. And no Legion is truly best or worst, though Alphas can be OP.

1st COMPANY OF THE SONS OF HORUS
THE LONG MARCH

Low
HORUS LUPERCAL, The Warmaster, The Breaker of Tyrants, The Eye of Terra (500 pts)

HQ
EZEKYLE ABADDON, The First Captain (215 pts)
CENTURION Consul: Herald, artificer armour, refractor field lightning claw (130 pts)
CENTURION Consul: Primus medicae, cataphractii armour, lightning claw (125 pts)

Troops
8 JUSTAERIN TERMINATORS 2 chainfists, multimelta (420 pts)
8 JUSTAERIN TERMINATORS 2 chainfists, multimelta (420 pts)
8 JUSTAERIN TERMINATORS 2 chainfists, multimelta (420 pts)

Fast attack
9 CATULAN REAVERS 1 flamer, power weapon melta bombs artificer armour (300 pts)
*Anvillus drop pod (100 pts)
9 CATULAN REAVERS 1 flamer, power weapon melta bombs artificer armour (300 pts)
*Anvillus drop pod (100 pts)
10 CATULAN REAVERS 2 flamers, power weapon melta bombs artificer armour (335 pts)
*Anvillus drop pod (100 pts)
10 CATULAN REAVERS 2 flamers, power weapon melta bombs artificer armour (335 pts)
*Anvillus drop pod (100 pts)

3500 pts total

>>46391101

Your art sucks Blanche.

>>46391101
There should be only one 9 man squad of reavers.
Herald goes with the 9 man squad.
Horus and the medicae with one Justaerin squad.
Abaddon with another.

>>46391115
John Blanche skub pls

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Martian death rays are cool, what legion makes the most out of them?

>>46390193
This is maddening.>>46390193

>>46391577
Iron hands Immortals in Spartans, probably.

>>46391600
You have to equip them with Volkite Chargers though.

>>46391705
No Legion unit comes stock with CHOOM.

>>46391737
Just wanted to add it.

Might be the guy asking doesn't know.

There is also a rite of war that makes them troops, so...fun galore.

>>46391060
Alpha op? Im playing them and i only think they are meh

>>46391771

Company of bitter Iron with two squads of volkite immortals in spartans and a big tank with castraman orr in it.

I can smell the cheese from here....

>>46391737
Lernaens

Who also get conversion beamers

>>46391771
No prob.

There is indeed, so is there one to make Reavers (Maloghurst as well) for SoH and Terror Marines for NL and I was seriously considering an army based on exotic weapons such as Volkite, Conversion Beamers and other non-standard tech. Shame the Dark Angels are left out of this club, at least for the time being.

>>46391858
Ah, I forgot about them, my bad. I can see a nice PotL force now.

>>46391858
>Who also get conversion beamers
Why would you do that?

Why would you ever play Night Lords when Raven Guard exists?

Name of my praetor is...

>>46392122
Welp, wolfy mcwolfwolf it is.

>>46392122
Fuckheug M'Bigass (Salamanders)

>>46392118
Why would you ever play Raven Guard when Alpha Legion exists

>>46392122
Romanum Spaceromanus (Ultramarines)

>>46392070
Because you fuck tanks on the other side of the board rather than that 3-man tacs nearby.

>>46392179
Conversion Beamers don't seem right on a unit that wants to get in close...

>>46390212
Rolling for my name.

>>46392155
Good one, Gilbert

>>46392151
Why would you ever play Alpha Legion when Ultramarines exists.

>>46392325
Why would you ever play Ultramarines when Word Bearers exists.

>>46392325

"Exist"

>>46391101

Very fluffy but probably in need of work.

You really don't need 3 units of Justaerin, it's an awkward number to work with. Horus will pull one into Deep Strike, Abadoon the second, but the third is stuck walking. You're also wasted the Primus if he's only protecting 8 where he could be helping 12.
I'd cut the third squad and use the points to bump both of the others up to 12. I'd also drop the Multi-Meltas and instead buy a shitload of Combi's.

Reavers, those Anvillus are expensive and going to get the units killed. You're throwing 30 models upfield with no support at 3500pts; they'll get one-rounded.
You're better off dropping the Pods, replacing them with Jump Packs, and again investing the saved points into bodies and Combi's.

This might well cost you the Herald as he can't fly. DESU you're better with a second Primus or Forgelord.

You're at the mercy of Spartans and Typhons, but I don't think you can really fix that without breaking the theme,

>>46391821
Their especial rule is dumb tho. I'd like to sweep Advance stuff rather than snap fire at them, even if it's volkite
Also, my name is a moritat

>>46392404
While I agree with some of what you are saying.
jump packs save you only 50 pts per unit. More if you merge the units. You're going to be equally, if not more, fragile starting on foot on the other side of the table. If deep striking you have less control over when they arrive.

>>46392258
Conversion beamers are better than volkite at all ranges, and it allows learnean to be dangerous even beyond their usual range

>>46392459
>Wang
Kek
>>46392473
>>46392451
Why both times a woman's name? Unless...Alpharia and Omegan

>>46392473
You are paying a lot for what will mostly amount to a strength six blast.

>>46392567
Also whoever thinks that naming their kid "Kelvin Chung" is ok needs to get raped.

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>>46390688

>>46392459

If you're running them like that, I'd question why you're even using Reavers at all over Veterans. Reavers exist for Jump Packs, 15-strong, Combis and Outflank; if you aren't using at least one of those, they're objectively inferior.

Consider that for 10pts *cheaper* per squad, you'd be getting:
> Scoring
> Sniper, Furious Charge or Tank Hunter

The way they're being run, the single benefit they are providing is Precision Strike at the cost of Rending, FC, Scoring and the like.
Fluff demands Reavers, but if you're taking them I'd at least optimise them.

>>46392567
CBeamer's uses are circumstancial, no doubt about it, but it functions pretty much the same way a Reaper AC works for regular termies
>>46392607
>Compulsory raping
Guys, I found a Dark Eldar

>>46392627
I wouldn't pod them in either. Jump pack+(combi)bolter is way too cool. If you want to pod in a unit with combi plasma make it the Justaerin.

>>46392607
Shut up Dora.

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Why aren't you playing best legion?

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>>46393220
But Ellen, I am.

>>46393220
I am though.
Why are YOU playing a legion that sticks wheelchair parking on it's pauldrons?

>>46393220
I agree brother Ali, let us blow ourselves up for the true cause. It is a good pain!

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>>46390193
Arrived in the post today.

>>46393552
Is the middle cut out and replaced with dragon dildos, Kellie?

>>46393579
You're such a little douche, Pat. It's time for another swirly.

>>46393579
Speaking of Dragon dildos, did you see Bad Dragons design this year?

>>46393220
>>46393298
The Chaos Gods are like that. Daemonic lore is probably nothing but a bunch of garbage, fanfiction, or the diaries of daemons.
>Dear diary, today I saw a bird and didn't feel like murdering it in an all consuming fury. What kind of Bloodletter am I? Yesterday I walked into a destroyed mortal house where the family was crushed by the roof. They were trying to have breakfast from the looks of things. I found their toaster and found out I like toast. I'm keeping this toaster.

Post your legion themes. I'll start with Blood Angels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvgKtOH8l2M

>>46393896

>BA theme

>just the sound of Starcraft firebats shooting their flamethrowers looped for 10 hours

Question. When using a trait or ability that affects "one unit" of your choice, if one of your IC is attached to that unit before the game begins, does the trait/ability affect them both?

>>46393956
Are chainaxes free?

>>46393953
I think you meant assault cannons. The loudest one is probably going to be Assault-Chan.

>>46393896
Wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33teK7L4DM4

>>46393975
Hush now.

>>46393956
No, an IC is a unit on its own and the earliest it can join another unit is during deployment.

Certain universal special rules, like scout, can be conferred from IC to unit and vice versa, once joined but that's all you get.

>>46393975
And ignore this guy.

>>46394016
Brother Ortega gets it.

>>46393896
EC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbCwvuHOwoA

>>46393975

Yes

>>46394033
Thank you.

>>46394016
The sound of freedom.

>>46393975
stop

>>46390521
Mine's a kitbash. The kneeling MKVI legs from the 40k space marine command squad, headhunter body, beaky head. Still need something for the gun, may try to find an exitus rifle.

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>>46390193
Guys, I am looking to give my White Scars praetor the most bitching bike ever, an absolute monster of a vehicle that shows he loves tinkering with his ride.

Unfortunately, the dick bikes don't really confer this and the outriders are too dainty.

I love both don't misunderstand me.

Does anyone know how I could build a bitching monster of a ride for my praetor?

>>46394300
Sammael jetbike with wheels

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>>46394300
This one I liked, albeit little xenos-ish.

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>>46394309
>>46394300

>>46394352
Fucking hell.

You have a picture of that painted?

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>>46394369
>>46394352

http://gravengames.co.uk/project-land-train-part-2/

>>46394352
>>46394405
Wait, is it a halftrack that's held up by antigrav at the front end?...

Can anyone tell me if Raven guard librarians painted their armour blue before the council of nikea?

>>46394537
No they painted it nigger nut brown.

>>46394537
Not to my knowledge. I'm pretty sure apothecaries didn't paint their armour white either. Chaplains do have different colourings I believe, but I might be wrong.

Would it be retarded to use a lightning claw to represent a paragon blade?

My gut feeling says it would be confusing.

>>46394706
My stance, as always, is:

With mates, sure.

With randomers, probably not.

>>46394537
It's generally accepted that the blue, black, red and white schemes for librarians, chaplains, techmarines and apothecaries is a Codex Astartes thing influenced by GC/pre-heresy markings. For example Blood angels had Wardens which were proto-chaplains designed to watch out for use of psychic powers after the edict and they were coloured black, BA apothecaries were standard red though. Some legions had different coloured specialists as well.

The proper answer to any HH colour scheme question is that it's really up to you.

>>46394706
What this guy >>46394721 says, depends who you play with.

>>46394706
Paragon Blades are described as coming in any shape or size, but always exotic.

>>46392122
May as well roll, see if I get something persian-sounding enough.

>>46393220
Bah, who wants to be best? I know my legion (and primarch) fucked up, but I love them anyway. Is this how night lords players feel? For that matter, is this how ork players feel?

>>46394923
Night Lords confirmed best legion. They were the heroes we deserved.

>>46394977
No we did not.

>>46395049
proofs

Will be playing NL vs. DG and/or Salamanders match on weekends. Any tips?

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>>46394977
Why did the Night Lords do what they did, and why did Curze hate them so much?

Honest question here. I find them interesting but I know fuck all about them.

Plus they fight like my DnD character, so naturally I might start them eventually.

Picture is fan made, but I am pretty partial to it.

>>46395111
They were supposed to bring justice but nostraman recruits were nothing but criminals. The legion was fucked and Curze hated them for it.

>>46395134
So why did they torture and maim specifically?

I would get if they just started killing indiscriminately like World Eaters, but they were very exact in their methods. Physical and psychological torture was what they did.

Why?

>>46395092
Forget it, I'm stupid. This world actually does deserve a visit by the Night Lords.

>>46395160
It was means to an end at first, to make worlds compliant through fear. Ultimately it became an end unto itself as the legion was filled with degenerates from Nostramo.

>>46395111
Even their Terran recruits were weird bunch. Some kind of Underdark LN/LE Drows but with pale as hell skin. They even had a light sensitivity.

>>46394047
neat

>>46393896
Alpha legion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE

Templar Bros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz4rAKB3qIE

>Born with shining steel in hand, fighting's all you know
>Mastering the blade, to kill those who betray
>With skill and deadly grace, severed heads erase
>A wrong that has been done, only death can overcome

>>46393896
Night Lords

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_tvqsENfUY

>See me walking
>See me crawling
>See my future
>See a dead man

>>46395160
>So why did they torture and maim specifically?
They were the psy ops legion at first and their planet was filled with bad people, so you add the two above points together and you begin to think flaying pits and broadcasting a live torture feed planet wide are good ideas.

>Perhaps unsurprisingly, Sul and the Night Lords fled and left the Iron Warriors to fend for themselves. Sul reasoned that they were many times outnumbered, and the Night Lords best weapon, terror, was useless against the Greenskins. The Iron Warriors put up a vicious fight, killing tens of thousands of Orks in the halls of their ships over the next several hours. However sheer greenskin numbers were taking their toll, and one by one each Iron Warriors ship was overwhelmed. The Night Lords used the distraction provided by the Iron Warriors to launch a series of hit-and-run raids on the Ork fleet, eventually managing to turn on the Space Hulks rear and board a landing party. Sul for his part claimed that his strategy had worked without flaw, and showed no regret for sacrificing the Iron Warriors.

>After further showering the area with hallucinogenic chemicals, the VIII Legion finally made its move, dropping with Jump Packs into the heart of the district. The Legionaries butchered any who crossed their path, it is said that the VIIIth Legion allowed many to run, only to hunt them down a short time later. The VIIIth Legion preformed it last duty by throwing the remaining enemies into the chasm below and detonating their charges along the cliff edge, sending Vhnori plummeting into the earth and killing tens of millions.

>Beginning with a stream of terrifying noises and images that overloaded the enemy communications network, terrifying any open to the broadcast. When a world was ripe with the fear only then would the Night Lords arrive, ignoring fortresses or military bases and instead butchering densely populated civilian centers.

>>46395160
Because the Emperor wanted a weapon of fear and retribution, anyhting that he despised and made him sick he sent the eight to show them hell and make them an example. They werent made for conquest but punishment.

>>46393896

White Scars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VILgSsesD0

Sons of Horus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAEDQwMtf4o

>>46395491
As a White Scars player, that made me laugh.

"I ask that the Khan protect my balls this day."

>>46395653
Maybe that's why they use bikes...

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>>46390554
I AM THE MIGHTY IRON HANDS CAPTAIN.

>>46395979
Hey Becca, hand me that spanner please?

No... that's a screwdriver....

Is there a better example of BL not understanding "show, not tell" than Ferrus Manus?
Everybody from Horus to Guilliman makes him out to be this prodigy general, but every time he's featured in the books he's getting his ass kicked

>>46390212
I am the destroyer of worlds, the burner of civilisations. Where I have strode men have wailed in torment, my name strikes gear into my foes, my name is a warcry to legion! Loyal and devoted they will wander into hell itself and cherish my name on their lips.
My name My name is ______________

>>46396449
You at least got a male name, which is a bonus.

>>46393552
I liked it, hope you do too.

>>46396513
Is Brotherhood of the Storm before or after Scars?

>>46394706
I'm with >>46394901. Like instead of 4 blades make it like 2 large ones.

Unless you're playing DA, in which case modelling is as anything other than a sword is shooting yourself in the foot.

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>>46395979
I am the ferocious White Scars captain. I am a scourge of the northern reaches of the Galaxy, terror of xenos everywhere!

>>46396659
Before. Introduces a few characters.

>>46396707
Damn. Well, I better order it then.

>>46396695
AND IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII......

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>>46396695

I and all my brothers are...

>>46396722
I'd recommend you to buy Legacies of Betrayal, it contains Brotherhood as well as other stories, more bang for your buck.

>>46396825
Huh thanks buddy

What legion are you and what books would you recommend to get me interested in them?

I'm feeing inspired today.

>>46396925
Just a heads up you don't need to have read BotS to understand scars.

>>46396820
Levi Schwartz, a bitter lawyer from Germany.

And also happens to be Alpharius.

>>46396956
You don't need to, but I felt it added a lot of really great characterization. Both to the two main White Scars, the lead human character, and to The Khan.

>>46396925
Not him but the Meduson anthology is awesome. I know people are sick of Shattered Legions stuff but it tied up so many loose ends and had pretty much the only interesting Salamanders characters in the whole series.

>>46396388
They realized that they killed him too mercifully early and now the rule of thumb is that whenever Ferrus is mentioned there must be fond memories of him. Ferrus is now one of the most beloved brothers of the 21.

>>46396925
Stop right there. Read Night Lord Omnibus and star a real legion instead of White "we've never done anything" Scars.

>>46397069
>the sue lords

>>46397097
that would be the ultramarines

>>46397112
40k Ultramarines.

30k ones are actually fine.

>>46397112
Then you clearly haven't read the books and only spew out stale /tg/ memes, because nearly all of ADB's characters are much bigger mary sues than McNeill's Ultramarines ever were

>>46397069
I love Night Lords but why ADB's NLs when you have Lord of the Night?

>>46397069
I will, thank you.

>>46397140
Shut up Jordan.

>>46397140
>Know No Fear
>UMs magically win when they were getting rekt everywhere

>>46397210
>scorching the earth to get a pyrrhic victory is being a mary sue now

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>>46397097
>>46397112
>>46397140
>>46397210
>>46397245
Jeez.

Am I the only one here who likes all of the legions?

It's actually a huge problem because I can't settle on one legion to play.

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I got a Space Crusade dreadnought that I want to put into use. What to use it as?

>>46397304
Dreado.

>>46397316
They're nowhere near the same size.

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Assault cannon anon, wherever you are, thank you

>>46397341
Roughly how big are they?

>>46397360
Lel good file name.

>>46397360
Needs a thicker bra

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>>46397360
Go my Brother(?). Go forth and carry the lessons of the Primarch in your heart and kill.

>>46397069
Dude, just because the White Scars didn't have any background before doesn't mean they didn't so anything. Their internal uprising and the fallout from it is pretty awesome.

>>46397304
What about Vorax

>>46397366
The deredeo is like twice the height and probably trice the mass of the space crusade dread. The SC dread is slightly smaller than a regular dread, so at best it can be used as a castaferrum.

>>46397210

>lose 100k+ Marines, half their fleet, and their most important world
>"magically win"

Seriously, have you read any of ADB's books? The Word Bearers, one of the lamest, shittiest, least accomplished legions, just steamroll everyone they face.

>>46397292
Do the Crusader Host. 1-3 marines from each legion. We've even got some details on a bunch of them.

>>46397292
I have the exact same problem. I must have made 20 lists for every Legion except space wolves and blood angels

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>>46397304

>>46397447
Do you really think that the ending of KNF was well written?

>>46397441
Vorax

>>46397477
It was sort of deus ex machinish but it's miles better than anything that BL currently puts out

>>46397304
That's an obvious Vorax battle automata

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>>46390193
Of all the legions, which one was the biggest "Lone Wolf?"

>>46397579
Alpha Legion

>>46397579
White Scars

>>46397579
Alpha Legion I imagine? They appear to have set up an entire system of research (reverse engineering), recruiting and manufacture. All without any obvious Imperium interference/oversight.

>>46397579
Alphas, dark angels, white scars by choice.

World eaters, night Lords, space wolves by others choice.

>>46397593
>>46397617
>>46397621
>>46397623
Weird how most responses are Alpha Legion or White Scars, yet the only legion with rules to reflect their Lone Wolf behaviour is the Dark Angels.

>>46397477
>Do you really think that the ending of any Abnett novel was well written?
I really like his work overall but man, he can't write endings.

>>46397447
What was Calth worth before the Heresy?

>>46397534
Well I was certainly impressed that even Primarchs use the word "Motherless" as an insult.

>>46397794
To be fair, the one who used it actually had a mother.

>>46397778
It was rivaling Maccarge in importance and was soon going to be tied with it.

>>46397133
Which 30k stories should I read to get non-sue ultras?
Because I was reading HH5, mainly because of the IM list and hooooly shit, the book is one of the biggest ultramarine wanks there are.
I thought Ward wasnt working for warhammer anymore

>>46397778
Example of how successful Guilliman was.
He turned a shitty world whose inhabitants lived underground into a jewel of Ultramar.
Basically, as the books say if Macragge was the brain and Armatura was the heart, then Calth was the soul

>>46397836
> book is one of the biggest ultramarine wanks there are
How so?
Half of the book is just them getting slaughtered

>>46397836
I didn't mind it.

It showed Guilliman to be an organisational genius, and he perfects already existing ideas and strategies.

However he sucks making up new stuff and he is a bit of a tyrant himself.

Plus, getting massacred.

>>46397900
Did Guilliman got his ass-kicked by some marines and even lame-ass Kor Phaeron in that book?

>>46397946
Yeah, but in his defense he didn't expect a geriatric like Phaeron to be that powerful

>>46397431
>>46397476
>>46397483
It doesn't really have any close combat weapons.

I was thinking more in the line of a regular dread, but what weapons. Would love to have it as a Mortis, but then I couldn't use the nose guns. Then again, is there a regular dread loadout that would make any good use of TL HB and some other gun?

>>46397778
The fifth most important world of the five hundred.

>>46398131
You're forgetting Armatura, which makes Calth the sixth

>>46397836
If you can get over the total ass pull ended then know no fear is quite okay.

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>>46390552
>>46390417

>>46398180
I dont understand the Ordinatus. A regular Warhound brings 4 times the D a Saggitar brings, costing only 50 pts more

>'hey girlyman, why didnt you help terra?'
>'i was too busy counting beans and pushing pencils'

>>46398093
>It doesn't really have any close combat weapons.
Well then convert it or something, if you want to use the old dread 'as is' with no changes then there aren't many options for you beyond boxnaught

>>46398244
Yeah, the Saggy Tar isn't great, but the Sonic Boom Gun the other one has is probably the single most broken shooting attack in all of 30k/40k.

They're both so expensive that they're almost impossible to field in a 30k game unless you're playing at like 5000 points in a single army, and I doubt anyone's gonna be willing to play against them as a LoW in a 40k game for CultMech/Skittles.

>>46398244
warhounds pretty much invalidate all of the 500+ point superheavies

>>46398244
because ordinati are fucking cool as shit and near impossible to kill for the first 2 turns, and unreasonably difficult to bring down afterwards thanks to its giant force field of fuck off

>>46397730
It makes sense though. In 40k sure, Dark Angels do their own thing and can't be relied upon by other Imperial forces. But in 30k they're just another legion. Like the White Scars, they've got loyalists and traitors and that's it. None of them are taking a third path.

I don't really buy into the whole Cabal story, but the Paramar anecdote suggests that the Alpha Legion's service to Horus is conditional and they're fighting for the legion's sake at least as much as for the over traitor side's.

Of course, let's not forget the Thousand Sons.

>>46398277
>convert it or something

I have not seen a single space crusade dread with close combat weapons that hasn't looked like complete arse.

>there aren't many options for you beyond boxnaught

Well that's what I've been on about. But what to slap on it? I'm gonna replace the guns since the I don't really have any and the mounts are somewhat busted.

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What do you say White Scars unique units will be?

>>46398244
Warhounds are probably too well armed. In Epic their weapons are clearly a step below the serious titan weapons. The Ordinatus Minoris and Shadowsword can both have volcano cannons that can do more damage to a titan than a Warhound can, at the expense of speed.

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A legion can ally with another legion, right?

>>46398154
Important was the wrong word in this context. Calth could possibly join the master world's of ultramar as the fifth, more like a capital city, combining significant military and manufacturing presence with culture, learning and history rather than being totally dedicated to only one of those like Armatura.

>>46398479
The shadowsword volcano cannon is bit of a joke compared to twin turbo-lasers and proper titan volcano cannon.

>>46398497
That's cute.

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>>46398252
>hey ferrus why didn't you help terra
>

>>46398497
Man I wish I had a pet wolf...

All I have is a dopey, overweight golden retriever.

>>46398453
Some kind of jet bike, after that it's engines guess. Khan had a Terminator elite body guard but FW are going to be dicks if they don't make it more worth while to field Khan on a jetbike

>>46398563
I swear to GOD if the Khan isn't modelled on a bike of some sort I will genuinely be pissed off at Forge World.

I never get annoyed at them.

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>>46398506

>>46398497
This makes me think Leman and Corvus could be on good terms.

>>46398582
You reckon with Khan the white scars are going to be hit and run: the Legion?

>>46398546
THE FLESH WAS WEAK

>>46398632
They already have hit and run.

And skilled rider. Even the dudes NOT ON BIKES.

I wonder what bonuses he will give to the legion though...

>>46398655
He makes them faster?

>>46390193
Don't mind me just rolling a random name for my IIIrd Legions IIIrd Company Sargent

>>46398718

>>46397360
That's aweso-
>cannons are upside-down
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>46398683
Everyone moves a further 6" if they flat out?

All vehicles gain Fast?

He will have a meta ability to emphasise just how freakishly fast his legion was under his command, so expect bonuses to seizing.

What do you think?

>>46398655
Global Fleet?

>>46398252
>too busy making a second imperium
>by too busy I mean being a secret traitor primarch by purposefully ignoring Terra and summoning 'nids

>>46398756
Yes to everything. Fast enough to give every speed freak in existence a heart attack from the knowledge that someone somewhere went that fast.

>>46398453
Marines with bows on mechanical horses

>>46398756
Global Fleet, always go first if you chose to, and Maru Skara esq +1 to all movements.

>>46398803
>wait for terra to fall
>emperor dies
>chaos forces are fucked up from the huge siege they just fought
>heres girlyman to rescue, kills chaos, few remaining loyalists forced to ally with him, crowns himself emperor

the scary thing is... that thats pretty much what happened...

horus fell to chaos through being poisoned by a nurgle sword and have rituals done to save his life, so he has an excuse... girlyman was just naturally a douche.

>>46398892
Yeah I remember when Lion was the dirty traitor and Guilliman was the goody two shoes, now it seems they reversed their roles.
You have to wonder if Dorn didn't die due to a case of Ork Snipers

>>46398755
The way that assault cannons are oriented is pretty arbitrary. They wouldn't fit the other way so I just flipped em lol. I'm gonna order some rotor cannons and use the backpack ammo things to cover the hoppers.

>>46398563
Terminators on bikes!

Just tried out Tamiya paints to test out the whole colored metallic look, and holy balls does it give me a raging erection. This shit is cool.

Makes me feel bad I picked Iron Warriors and just have plain metal.

>>46398892
I'm still waiting for "Mike Hawk" and "Mike Hunt" to appear.

>>46390193
Derp

>>46398792
>>46398852
>>46398890
Whatever it is, it will probably make them the fastest legion, even faster than EC and RG with Corax.

I absolutely cannot wait.

>>46398966
Do you have an airbrush?

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>>46398244

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>>46399016
There better be a very meta quote from the Khan about just how fast his legion is.

>>46398952
>pretty arbitrary

It's not! The strut goes underneath, you hear, underneath!

>>46398966
Mask your marines with 1/4" strips of tape (6-7mm) and paint subtle hazard stripes on them with clear yellow.

>>46398966
Has anybody tried out the Forge World clears yet?

>>46399143
I own all of them, haven't had a chance to use them yet, other than to create a small swatch for each pot. They're certainly pretty bold, strong colours. Not entirely water based either, do not nearly as volatile as the Tamiya clears.

>>46399197
Hmm good to know. Thanks.

>>46393552
Khan fights and kills a shade of his best bro Magnus and learns the truth of the Heresy from him. Khan fights Mortarion and hurts him. Also rescues the found of THA BLAH RAHVENS

>>46399369
Well thanks for that you prick.

>>46399369
Oh yeah spoilers.

>>46399387
:^)

>>46399434
Fuck yourself.

Do Knight Errants Count as Allies?

>>46399250
Tamiya : Isopropanol + Glycol Ethers
FW Clear : Ethanol and Isobutanol

The FW stuff seems a little less glossy once dried, and has less surface tension when painting. It also smells a fair bit less too.

>>46399548
do you want to read the rules?

>>46397292
CUSTODES!

Also rolling for my new Despoiler Squad Sergeant's name

>>46399621
Rena: cancer giver.

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>>46397360
BA Fag can't even magnetize the Asscannons correctly baka

>>46399582
Cheers thanks for the info.

I'll buy some and give it a go.

>>46398892
Except if you even read Unremembered Empire you'd know how Guilliman was doing everything to avoid giving himself power.

>>46398892
Except he didn't want to be emperor, and helped set up the high lords to replace him.

>>46400578
Read the quote that starts off the book
>Those that want to rule dearly should be the last ones to be allowed to do so - Konor Guilliman

>>46400637
>Except he didn't want to be emperor
Yeah, that's why he got Angel boy to be his figurehead
>helped set up the high lords to replace him
He set up the high lords to help him administer, and then when he got wounded by Fulgrim they took over

>>46400647
Man I fucking love Roman shit.

I want to start Ultramarines.

>ultrasmurf players
>ROME IS SO COOL
>WHAT?! NO MY PRIMARCH ISNT A 2BIT BEAN COUNTING VERSION OF JULIUS CAESAR, COMPLETE WITH THE MEGALOMANIA, GREED AND LUST FOR POWER.
pick 1 smurfs

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>>46400897
>mfw chaosfags are literally going insane

>>46400956
i know, those smurf players are nuts.

>>46400897
Look, Alison, we were having a really nice thread until now. Can you not drag it down with Primarch retardation?

>>46401000
This. He has dubs too.

>>46401141
Trips dear boy. Trips.

And they have spoken.

>>46401000
>Look, Alison, we were having a really nice thread until now.
dont lie to me motherfucker

>>46400956

says the guy whose idea of atoning for failure is getting raped in a obvious trap....

>>46401225
>dear boy
>Bettie
Pick one.

>>46401267
Yes, Dorn a dumb ha ha.

Talk about something else.

>>46401301

not dumb, just got his emotions get the better of him, which was then ruthlessly exploited.

>>46401329
Dude, what the fuck ever.

Let's not talk about Dorn for once.

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>>46401372
>stop talking about things i dont like

Can Tamiya and/or FW Clear paints be used with regular brush? Are they too thin?

>>46400897
Julius Caesar did nothing wrong.

we should talk about mortarion

we never talk about mortarion

why does he wear the mask?

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Hey guys, what legion do you roll with?

Why did you pick it?

>>46401819
Moderation is both a shitty hypocrite and a level headed reliable subcommander for Horus.

>>46401934
Yes moderation can be a useful trait in sub-commanders

>>46401854
>Ultra-Marine
> Third Founding
> Founded during inter-legionary war of M32.

....uh, ok?

>>46401854
that seems like much more interesting fluff than they currently have

the idea of them taking a traitor legions number is cool

>>46401970
>Hazel doesnt know about the old fluff

CUTE!

>>46401970
>>46402019
I love how both of you don't notice the half Eldar astropath.

>>46402066
the fucks an eldar?

you mean those xenos corpses? :^)

>>46402101
Yeah dems de wunz.

Apparently some bloke put his dick in one.

Apparently they also shit crystal.

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>>46402129
>Apparently they also shit crystal.
kinky

was probably this guys kid.

>>46401934
He's more than a subcommander, he was basically his right hand during the heresy.
Also, read Daemonology

>>46402174
Keanu Reeves?

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Boxnought is love

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Post Dusk Raiders.

what exactly were the DG supposed to be specialized in?

i know they were all about attrition, but so were the IF IH and IW all while being good at other things... were the DG just supposed to be the best at it?

>>46402194
Why not Lorgar?

>>46402958
Chemical weaponry. Enduring. Sheer resilience.

>>46402958
Chemical warfare, Destroyers, and I think that's it.

>>46402958
Think they were the chemical warfare specialists.

>>46403005
>Enduring. Sheer resilience.
yeah but so were those other 3 legions...

i guess chemical weapons were their thing but its not like the IW didnt just phosphex everything...

were the DG supposed to be the like hazardous environment guys like the sallys?

they just kinda seem redundant

>>46403081
Yeah think of them as Salamanders mixed with Iron Warriors and topped off with chemical weaponry.

There can be overlap in the legions.

>>46403005

There is only the commander and Bradford is his prophet.

>>46403109
yeah i think being the bad guy salamanders with poison shit instead of fire makes more sense than just 'we're IW/IF/IH but tougher and with no real specialization'.

>>46397462
Me too, m8.

30k also appeals to me because the legions that went to chaos can be seen without the "haze" of the chaos gods behind them. Their characterisations are more human than inhuman. Their motivations aren't just "a daemon said so", as I remember hearing about why the Iron Warriors were featuring more in 40k literature.
That, and I like the challenge of making a mono-legion list - in 40k you can mix and match allegiances within the same chaos army, and as long as they're undivided or of the same god, you can have any combination of units within a single squad.

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>>46397360


Excellent file name, though.

>>46402978
Because Lorgar's a religious fanatic and is too unstable to trust with such important business

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>>46403168

>>46403346
Honestly most of their motivation is still pretty 'daemon said so'. Especially when it comes to the higher leadership. The rest, mostly, are in a state of 'to far gone to go back now'.

Considering anyone who didn't agree with the heresy was killed...yeah some were not willing to join up. The Brotherhoods were really a painfully obvious 'this won't end well'.

>>46403419
>brooke lee adams
nice

>>46403503
The only primarchs that are like that by this point in the heresy are Fulgrim and Lorgar, the rest of them still fight because they believe Horus would make a better emperor

>>46402129
Eldar chicks (or fags) giving guys crystal dicks must be a code for eldar sluttiness.

>>46403543
except angron and curze, their just nuts.

also pert probably doesnt give a shit and is just obsessed with dorn

>>46403543
Almost all of them know of Lorgar and Fulgrims corruption. Even fucks like Mortarian have been exposed. A damned daemon even calls him the herald of nurgle (to be, anyway).

Some are just in third party conflicts that get stuck into the whole thing, but most are extremely complicit with the entire heresy.

Hell once Fulgrim was posssessed all the Primarchs who met with him knew he was.

>>46403688
I don't know about that, Curze was disgusted when he found out, Mortarion spat on Fulgrim and Perturabo told that dreadnought that there are two wars being fought: one against the Emperor and the other against "ancient powers, ever intent on making us their toys"

Hey guys, just a question about the Legion Command Squad. Does the Imperial Fist's storm shield rule apply to them?

It says the choice is available to "Any Legion Terminator or Terminator armour-equipped independent character with the Legiones Astartes (Imperial Fists) special rule". Does this include the Command Squad when they're in terminator gear?

>>46403735
yes

>>46403735
I don't see why it wouldn't.

>>46403728
Mortarion was paranoid as fuck and thought he could learn magic away.

Only to end up being a psyker himself and becoming fit for corruption by how much that shocked him.

Chaos is nothing more than a whisper in your ear. They let them in, they chose to do it.
Fuck even Fulgrim could have redeemed. But no, just caved to the daemon.

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>>46403803
What kind of person was Mortarion?

>>46403765
Because I feared "Legion Terminator" might just mean those non-character models that are listed as "Legion Terminator" (command terminators are listed as "Legion Space Marine Chosen").
However, I looked at the Legion Terminator Squad and the Sergeant isn't called "Legion Terminator" or an independent character, so yeah, you and >>46403765 are right.
Thanks.

It probably won't actually matter to me, though, because the build I have in mind is just a regular hammernator squad. I was just confused about the legality of a squad of terminators with storm-shields, fearless, and "Chosen Warriors" rule - it might be a cheap way to get a squad that can duel with fairly strong enemies and survive large amounts of damage with that 3++ save, while giving themselves and nearby friendlies Fearless.

>>46403735
I'm going to be the contrarian and say no. They are neither Legion Terminators nor Terminator Armor-equipped ICs. Chosen Warriors is only for challenges, it doesn't confer character status.
Though if anyone is certain otherwise, I'm prepared to be persuaded.

>>46398618
Well, it Leman was the one who stepped in when Corax was going to kick Perty's shit because the latter made him attack a wall head on and called him a coward and weak for even thinking about sneaking (typical Pert).
As in, Leman Russ stopping a fight. Damn.

>>46403980
Leman does have his good moments when he's sober.

>>46403947
its weird because it seems to be implied but when they stated for the teleportation transponder specifically that they both get transponders.

>>46398291
That's why I specified Sagittar. Ullator is a whole different gist, not some Volcano cannon tractor.
And you can bring one on 3k games.
>>46398319
>Nearly impossible to kill
True, unless you are a Warhound and drop four D on it. Attack on the 2nd turn and you're still doing serious damage, "wounding" it on a 4+. If you're using 30k's version of the Destroyer rule, however, it doesn't matter as you aren't rolling on a table, and D weapons always count as S10 regardless of Flare shields.
None can deny its coolness tho.

>>46403947
That's what I was thinking in the first place, but as someone said before in another thread about some other issue, the guys at FW are creative types writing huge tomes and complicated rules ex nihilo, it's understandable if they're not thinking about perfecting computer-like precision of language.
They are of the "Legion", and by wearing Terminator armour, they are "Terminators", so perhaps they thought that meant "any IF dude in Terminator armour", but as >>46404040 said (nice repeating numbers), they made the distinction between Legion Terminator Squads and Legion Command Squads.

Anybody got any cool alternate colour schemes for the death guard?

Sort of slight variations I mean. I'm not a fan of the FW colours.

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>>46397292
>Can't settle on one legion
>Play Alpha legion
>Buy additional shoulder pads
>Paint them any legion you want, pic related style
>Take it a step further
>>Play a Shattered Legions list
>>All your marines are actually aloha marines pretending to be several legions
>>"How is that marine drinking poison only a Death Guard could survive?"
>>He's a good actor.

>>46404494
>Gal Vorbak member suddenly laughs and runs off with his three legs crying out how he is actually Alpharius.

>"Shit man you sure showed us."

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>>46403934
Not as serious as you are, I fear.

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>>46404398
>not immediately going pic related

You're a shit.

>>46404641
They don't fight at all like DG though.

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>>46404398
>Anybody got any cool alternate colour schemes for the death guard?
Of course m8

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>>46404714
>mfw no more Garro story

>>46404610

That's a big model.

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>>46404837
For you

>>46404398
I've been wondering that myself. I want the FW/pre-heresy colour scheme to look like they're under a coat of "faded" light khaki green, representing either a coating of dust from DG chem weapons or the corruption of Nurgle.

My instincts say "drybrush with that colour", but I don't think it'll have the effect I want.
I believe "powder pigments" (the thing in paints that makes the colour, minus the liquid) are a technique people use.

>>46404547
Alpharius confirmed for big-dicked G.

>>46404610
Oh God, that's perfect.

>>46404678
Really?
Because from what I've heard, the pre-Primarch legions more or less had certain tendencies (it's in their gene seed), and what set the DG apart was a resistance to chemical weapons and a "siege mentality", which is more something that's ingrained than an organisational feat of Mortarion.

>>46404801
He'll be back, won't he?

>>46405008
Soon he should be a daemonhunter. so yes?

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>>46390193
Dubs, who were best tragic bro's?
Horus & Sangy?
Ferrus & Fulgrim?
Mortation & no one?

>>46405781
>Horus & Sangy?
>Ferrus & Fulgrim?
i think they were more than bros..

>>46405196
Yes, although not all the Knights Errant became Grey Knights.
Several became other things.
Like, corpses.

>>46405008
Dusk Riders got their name because of, well, attacking at dusk to disorient their enemies. They were implacable and somewhat more resilient than other marines, but that was pretty much it.
Morty made them fully embrace endurance as a main trait, and they became experts on Zones Mortalis operations, aka planets where others wouldn't even survive.
And given how Morty was schooled thoroughly on poisons and chem weaponry, it was only natural his legion didn't mind using phosphex and rad unlike others.
And given how the ground they fought on usually was a death world anyway, their overuse of such weapons didn't matter much anyway.
Some anon once told me Morty was the only one that truly knew how to make good quality phosphex or stuff like that. As far as I know, the recipe actually comes from Terra, and on their codex, the Admech had its STC fragment, but some dude had a case of the feels and destroyed it, the fag.

New thread keep all discussions on the Spiritual Liege's morality here in this thread >>46406447