Infinity General - Holoprojection thread

Holos:
- more similar to camo
- in reactive turn can auto regen holoechoes if out of LoF
- can delay ARO against holoechoes, as they are markers
- this means the reactive troop can always shoot against the real mini, but takes a surprise shot
- you can choose to shoot one of the markers and avoid the surprise shot mod if you guess right
- Carlos is easier to understand then these fucking irish
- Holo1 same as N2, must be the same silhouette model from your own army
- Holo2 3 markers that all look like the mini
- Baldy needsto get his teeth fixed
- You can make duplicates of Holo1 projections, ie. Kotail as 3 Neema Sataar
- Holo3 is Patrocles only, doesnt have NFB

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>>46368600
OP, is your image meant to be a holoecho? Is that the joke? Were you going to post another thumbnail and then the real image later in the thread?
I hope so, because the alternative is that you're legitimately retarded enough to save and post a thumbnail.

>>46368606

NFB?

>>46368737
negative feedback, prevents the use of two items that have it at the same time, ie holoprojector and ODD

>>46368737
Negative feedback. Equipment pieces with NFB can't be used alongside one another. ODD has it, so if Patrocles had a lower level of holoprojector he wouldn't be able to use ODD and holos at the same time.

>>46368752
>>46368755

Ah, right. So he's got a heap of nasty holoprojections that are a bitch and a half to hit.

Good changes to Holo. Normalized the timing of things and made the normal use case for it a -3 debuff to the enemy (because unless you make the choice obvious, no one is taking 66% odds of failure in order to eat a normal roll).

Surprise shot is a great debuff to have since it requires no additional setup. And with Holo2 regenerating automatically when out of LoF it suddenly became pretty damn order efficient as well.

>>46368868
Depends if the shot goes off if the model is a holo, ie can i use a lrl, and hit all 3, or if i pick the wrong one does the shot just fuck off

I used to play 40k as a kid, but I quit because it was expensive, p2w and the community was autistic as fuck.

I just found out about Infinity, and I'm thinking of actually getting into it.
Someone convince me not to.

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>>46368696
Ya missed one.

>>46368977
I did, also no blackjacks or lone ranger, but w/e youre not my real dad

>>46368933
Yeah, template weapons still do their thing if they hit a holo. I guess troops are trained to aim for the feet if there's holoprojectors around.

So what would be better for a Kan Ren with a KHD? Cybermask or Holo2?

>>46369017
Cybermask is more reliable since the enemy needs to discover you before shooting, but there's the potential for them to guess wrong multiple times with holo2. I'd probably use cybermask for closing distance and holoprojector for playing mind games.

>>46369098

They can delay their ARO to holos though, so idk if going impersonator would make any difference in terms of having that surprise shot thing.

I guess the same could also apply to TO dudes who have KHD as well?

>>46369164
There's no real difference if they delay their ARO and you shoot first. You get surprise shot either way. They can't shoot first until you're discovered with cybermask, and they probably won't shoot first with holo2 since they're likely to hit the wrong one.

As for TO camo, the only advantage an impersonation-2 marker has over a TO marker is that it can't be intuitively attacked. It's -6 to WIL rolls to discover a TO unit, and only normal WIL rolls for impersonators.

>>46369225
Also mines don't react to impersonation markers. Holos on the other hand are safe way to remove afaik.

>>46369261

True, although that 'minesweeper' tactic has worked well for ages.

How would you guys recommend getting into Infinity?

Buy the starter set and force my girlfriend to play it with me?
Try to find a local group and borrow someone's army for a game?
Just go all in and buy a bunch of stuff and hope that I'll like it?

>>46370065

It would be better to try to find an established group and go from there. That way, you have more variety of opponents to choose from.

>>46370130
so happens my group of friends chose a different faction,
ALEPH
PANO
NOMAD
HAQ
ARIADNA
and I'm CA

>>46370151
Yeah, I still haven't decided what faction I'll get.
I like the models from most of them, so I'll look into how they play.

>>46370151
Well, now all you need is a chink and an artichoke and you'll have a complete set.

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Hey guys, tried to make a QK list with the scarce selection of I own. Is this any good?
300p, 6 SWC. The first five Ghulam form a Linkteam.

>>46370249
Tohaa player is pending. He hasn't bought any models yet and he doesn't show up often

>>46370257
It seems decent enough. It's got to be one of the first QK lists I've seen that doesn't involve any ridiculous Hafza megalink bullshit, but that's a positive thing in my book.

2 hours until human sphere hype!

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Wait a second. How long have those Umbra Samaritan stats been in Army 6?

>>46370483
it was mentioned last thread

>>46370151
>>46370183

FWIW, some sectorial lists feature units from different factions, so you can consider starting with them depending on which initial factions strike your fancy.

>>46368755
does this mean reverend moiras /custodiers can't odd and cyber mask?
do they get screwed?

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>>46370687
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it not matter that much? The whole point of cybermask is that people can't shoot at you while it's active, and the whole point of ODD is that it makes people more likely to miss when they shoot at you. ODD would instantly activate when cybermask failed anyway.

But to answer your question, yeah. ODD and cybermask both have NFB, so they can't be used together.

So, Tohaa. What've they got that's good? I've always had a soft spot for those little artichokes, and I'm considering picking some up, but I have no clue what's decent, and what to avoid.

>>46370799
Most of the stuff is at least decent. Makauls are pretty mainstream unit, some players take one of them in every triad. Igaos have problems, as do some of the kamael units.

>>46370840
>Kamael units
You mean the bog standard line infantry meant only for order generation and padding out triads?

>>46370799
I've yet to find a purpose for Mutan beasties and Igao can be useful but usually pale in comparison to Clipsos (magnificent model, though). Everything else is at least decent. Clipsos and Makauls are excellent and cheap, they can be used to top off any list.

New vid about random Tohaa crap coming up.

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>>46370514
My feeling like an idiot aside, how about all these new Shasvastii symbols? I'm pretty sure those are new. Very fancy.

>>46370754
I'm unsure what you mean.
if they both have NFB, then i can't wait for one to fail for the other one to work, surely, because I would have to choose which one was active.

So either cyber mask OR ODD.
Sounds a bit shitty to me like this though.
Pay for hacking, pay for ODD, neither works to the full potential.

>>46371177
ODD is an obligatory thing, so as soon as you get discovered it kicks in. ODD wouldn't be useful against discover rolls anyway, and they can't shoot you while you're an impersonation marker.
I'm not entirely sure how that works in regard to the cybermasked unit shooting first, though. The RAW states that the impersonation state is canceled when the impersonator declares surprise shot, but I don't know exactly that is meant to be interpreted.

If a model with a repeater becomes unconscious, is that repeater still active?

>>46371440
Nope. As a rule of thumb, all skills and equipment stop working on unconscious models unless specifically stated otherwise.

If I remember NFB rules correctly, when first NFB thing ends - the second doesn't turn on until action fully resolves. So when your Cybermask fail, ODD kicks in only next order.

>>46371325
As ruled in the most recent FAQ if you are discovered or revealed during an order in which you started in impersonation, you do not benefit from ODD.

For active turn, you would get the benefit of surprise shot/attack, but not ODD.

So answer the previous anons question, no the abilities don't combo to dizzying heights, but custodierseriously are incredibly versatile. Cybermask still provides a good amount of protection in reactive, allows you to stealthily move up while avoiding deployables and AROs, and gets you surprise shot for hacking.

On top of all the other goodies from HD+.

>>46371078
https://youtu.be/ogbDzKlJPtU

Symbiobombs can heal wounds form active symbiont armour or estore unconsicious symbiont trooper within ZoC.

Has anyone gotten their books yet?

>>46371830
THIS! I NEED LEAKS

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>>46371838
>>46371830

I'll start posting now.

>>46371830
>>46371838
I'll be getting mine within the hour.

>>46371944
Expertly done, anon. I'm proud of you.

I want all the pano knight profile changes plox
Specifically Lt and specialists

>>46368487
Oh fuck. Deutscher Order? Really? Is it that hard to figure the grammar for two fucking words out?
Or maybe they meant Orden. But seriously, fuck.

>>46372158
>Around spics
>Know their tricks

>>46372118
Magister knights might get Haris and specialist option. I don't see CB changing anything else.

Almost everything else needs to change to go along the power increase.

>>46372118
Montesa gets specialist operative and duo.

Source: I just made it up, but it would be pretty cool.

>>46372383
OH FUCK ME

>>46372419
>>46372399
OH FUCK ME MORE.
I need them. Now.

>>46372399
Crane and Celestial resculpt?

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Bit less blurry shots

>>46372588
Crane, Celestial,Pheasant and I think the guy with the missile launcher is a Zhanying

>>46372399
>>46372419
Who's the one with the spitfire? Looks kinda like the Pheasant Rank to me, but IDK, looks bulky, and is that the much awaited Zhanying?

>>46372399
>>46372419
>>46372604

New starter pack for imperial service?

>>46372383
Looks like we've got a new Crane, new CGs, a new Pheasant (blue sword means probably no more useless mono bullshit, so hooray for that) and what is possibly a Zhanying.

The line troops are rifle sculpts, so it looks like we're getting a new starter.

I am so hard right now.

>>46372633
could be Crane, as it doesn't have a spitfire model; the shoulders/chest/tassets all look Crane-ish to me, though the head's different.

>>46372633
I'd say it's certainly a Crane, based off the collar area and black armour. I'll be disappointed if we don't see the Zhanying in the tactical rock, Spitfire on shoulder pose that was shown previously.

>>46372646
Yes. New ISS starter. Also HSN3 has sold out Adepticon

>>46368968

There's p2w in Infinity as well with certain spam lists that can fuck over newbies.

However, besides things that tend to hurt newbies, the game is pretty fair. But the learning curve is REALLY high, and even after you've got the basic game down, there's a lot of special rules to figure out. The game comes with a free rules wiki and online army builder for support with that, though.

Some models are still old and terrible sculpts, but most of the worst have been phased out. Still, some starter boxes suffer like JSA.

Models themselves are individually pricey, but you need less of them to play a full game. However, you'll need a lot of terrain to run a game. There's cheap papercraft kits but it can run expensive for MDF terrain.

>>46372694
It's only p2w in a way that miniature games can't really get around. It's not like 40k where the brand new expensive thing blows everything else out of the water so that they sell more stuff.

>>46372693
GIVE ME INFORMATION

>>46372745
Sorry I'm not there just relaying info I see on forums and FB. I'm sure we'll see more info once people get the chance to digest the books and shit

New profiles for the antichoke army


Taqeul Officers MI, Cube, Regular

Symbiont:

MOV 4-2 CC 14 BS 13 PH 11 WIP 14 ARM 3 BTS 6 W 1 S 2 AVA 2

Regeneration, V: Courage

Inactive Symbiont:

MOV 4-4 CC 13 BS 13 PH 10 WIP 14 ARM 0 BTS 0 W 1 S 2 AVA -

Regeneration, V: Courage

Chain of Command....Combi, symbiobugs....pistol, knife....34, 0
Chain of Command.... Viral Combi, symbiobugs....pistol, knife....40, 0
Chain of Command....Spitfire, symbiobugs....pistol, knife....40, 1.5
Lt. Advanced Command....Combi, symbiobugs....pistol, knife....34, 0
Lt. Advanced Command....Viral Combi, symbiobugs....pistol, knife....40, 0
Lt. Advanced Command....Spitfire, symbiobugs....pistol, knife....40, 1.5


Kaauri Sentinels LI, Regular

MOV 4-4 CC 12 BS 11 PH 10 WIP 13 ARM 0 BTS 3 W 1 S 1 AVA 4

Multispectral Visor L1, Biometric Visor L2, Sixth Sense L2

Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulsers, Nullifer....Pistol, Electric Pulse....12, 0
Boarding shotgun, Nullifer....Pistol, Electric Pulse....15, 0
Sniper rifle....Pistol, Electric Pulse....19, 0.5
Pheroware T: Nimbus Sphere....Combi, Nullifer....Pistol, Electric Pulse....17, 0
1

>>46371990
Well they sold out in less than an hour :''"(

>>46372835
Got any Aleph, Haqq, or PanO instead?

>>46372870
Not yet.

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>>46370818
Who do you think pilots those Remote Presence TAGs?

>>46372835
>symbiobugs
They are Tohaa Crazy Koalas with Adhesive, right?

>>46372835
Those Tequilas seem like they could be pretty great, depending on what symbiobugs do. Kaauri look like fantastic cheerleaders with anti-infiltrator capabilities. Both solid additions.

>>46372939
Nah those are MadTraps.

>>46372939
Symbiobugs is the official name of the Tohaamon, they last infinity week video talks about them in depth.

>>46372953
Taqeul seems really powerfull

I want to know Mormaer new profile right now. I wish if someone with book is reading me.

>>46370818
>future space magic can solve being fat
>it can't solve being religious
why

>>46373102
because aleph found religion to be a useful tool

Is anyone at adepticon with an extra human sphere? Willing to pay more than retail.

>>46373226

Really?

>>46373305
I showed up literally as the last one was being sold, I'm willing to pay to actually get it.

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>>46368968
>convince me not to
Impossible, as GOD WILLS IT

>>46370754
Hey, someone saved this pic.

>>46371671

Now Custodiers get Fireteam: Haris, so you can run a Custodier Link alongside a Link Team of Moderators, or even a Riot Grrls if you want to shell out those points. No idea if Reverend Healer gets to do it, as she can Fireteam with Custodiers and Moiras already.

>>46372720

True. New models might be a bitch to deal with at first, but you can find effective counters and they're generally well-balanced. You won't necessarily be missing anything if you skip a few months of releases and come back with your old list, just some new toys and the options they bring to the table, and maybe some FAQs.

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>>46373728
IF the rule hasn't changed, Haris is same unit type ONLY.

>>46372383
>>46372399
>>46372604
>>46372641
OH FUCK YES!

>>46373076
The sentinels are cheap as chips too

I hope that Anon who promised to share photos of all the rules pages keeps his word, plz deliver us from ignorance nomad spirit.

>>46373728
>No idea if Reverend Healer gets to do it, as she can Fireteam with Custodiers and Moiras already.

Fireteam Haris explicitly denies linking of different units that would normally be linkable. Hafzas can't join Odalisque or Sekban Haris teams in QK.

>>46373799
Sorry it was sold out...

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>>46370687
If a Custodier uses Cybermask, the ODD turns off. When he comes out of Cybermask, ODD is back on

>>46373786
>>46373801

Well, I suppose they don't really lose anything without the Healer. She'd either have to be run on the side or in an actual Link with them.

>>46373859

I suppose that only applies to ARO, but she'd already get Surprise Shot bonuses instead of ODD so I'd say it's very fair.

Of course, she can't benefit from both ODD and Impersonation in the same Order, but it doesn't really matter. You can only perform one Short Skill per Order, and if she's Discovered the Discovering unit has already used their Short Skill for that turn. Next Order can be used attacking her, but her ODD will be back online because it's a brand new Order.

>>46373819
Those damn PanO scum have struck again.

>>46373819
>>46373819
SOMEBODY ELSE IN THIS THREAD HAS IT RIGHT?!?!!??!

RIGHT??!!!!????

>>46374041
B-but anon.. I play PanO

>>46374098
such is the life of an atek

btw gecko update
53/54 0/.5 SWC. BTS is upped to 6, and they have gained ECM and fireteam duo. The pilots now have assault pistols.

>>46374118
ORCS IN ACONTECIMENTO AND NEOTERRA

>>46374118
Atek aren't PanO citizens.

>>46374141
Cool.

>>46374141
BOTH?

DOES THE PROFILE HAVE ANY CHANGES?

>>46374141
KNIIIIIIIGHTS

>>46374168
>>46374141
HEY GUYS I THINK YOUR CAPS KEY IS BROKEN?

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>>46374141
Any news on ISS and Corregidor?
Any new profiles for Haqq and PanO that we haven't seen?

>>46374266

Corregidor gets >>46374118, Wildcats get Fireteam: Haris.

ISS gets a new Starter:
>>46372383
>>46372399
>>46372419
>>46372604
>>46372641

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>>46373102
Hey fun fact: future space magic cured both obesity and fedoras!
Coincidence or divine will?

>>46374454
You know there is a conglomerate of Fedora tipping m'ladyiers somewhere on Bakunin.

>>46371944
not bad, even though those are "leeks"

>>46372667
>no more useless mono bullshit
monofilament was bullshit? THE most powerful weapon in the game was bullshit??

>>46374552
On a model that can't actually get the most out of it
It's dead weight points

>>46374552
it's also the most expensive and only really shines against 5+ arm 2+ w enemies. exp/da is almost always better vs. cheaper stuff and makes it's wearer less overpriced

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>>46372667
Looks like a Zhanying with either a HRL or ML?

>>46372641
If that's a crane, he actually looks worse than the original.

cool that the chinks are getting some love tho

>>46374552
I don't need a mono CCW on my multisniper.

>>46372694
I recently rolled my yu jing friend with my bakunin sectorial.
I had chimera + 3pups, full link of riot grrls (before they were good) custodier Lt, avicenna and 2 tsyklon sputniks

He had 2 invisble mono wielding ninja (one is a character doing a kick) 2 bikers + yojimbo, and a full link of basic grunts with hmg and rocket launcher etc.

My chimera and pups just ripped the link team a new one and won scenario.

Now I'm considering taking smart missile launcher spam, that'll be fun too, right?

>>46374454

There's nothing wrong with Atheism, but the cure for fedoras is an undisputed miracle.

>>46374496

That's patently untrue, Bakunin's freaky nature is absolutely antithetical to fedoras, and the Riot Grrls are a pretty effective to inoculation as well.

But there is that one Ariadna guy with a Stetson...

>>46374552

>monofilament was bullshit? THE most powerful weapon in the game was bullshit??
>THE most powerful weapon in the game

Ni8 B8 N8R

>>46374496
Sure. It's Internet: The Faction after all, down to police force being Moderators. But with all the crazy cyber-nuns and armed feminazis running around they may have a hard time.

>>46374600
That doesn't look like a zhanying at all going by the concept art

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>>46374601
I disagree especially considering that this bitch in going to be in the new bulky HI size. But for the most part he still looks very close the original

>>46373963
remind me what cyber mask does again?

Is there any reason why having both would be useful? If ODD turns on as soon as cybermask is cancelled, then does it matter??

>>46374644
Maybe that's updated Shang ji?

>>46374606
Well, it seems your friend is a noob.

>>46374656
Cybermask is an impersonation mode. They need to discover you first and you won't set off land mines. Surprise shot is also applied

>>46374664
In an ISS starter?

>>46374644
>I disagree
yeah well you're a fag whose opinions don't count

>>46374582
>>46374591
I've only ever seen it go after my high armor multiwound models, which explains why i never thought of it as bad.

However now that I run cheaper things, I don't care if one dude gets chopped in half, because the other 5 dudes will be shooting the twat armed with the mono.

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>>46374643
Except it does, though.

>>46374696
Isn't Shang ji in iss?
If not maybe generic Yu jing starter roflmao

>>46374674
No, I'm the noob actually.

>>46374703
You wound me, anon

>>46374726
How about you check before posting, lol?

>>46374715
Head doesn't have the cable hair

>>46374752
How about you get you eat shit?

>>46374740
Chimera's scary only if you don't know how to deal with her. She cannot dodge and a couple of templates really ruin her life. He will adapt in a couple f games, if he's not an idiot.

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>>46372641
I'm really liking the simple pose on the fem CG. Looks like she's executing someone

>>46374780
Oh shut up, butthurt bitch.

>>46372383
>>46372399
>>46372419
>>46372604
>>46372641
>>46374600
Heh, things become's less and less dynamic, its almost feel they'll just standing still.

I think this sculpted by the guy who also do USA starters. Not surprising.

Still a good sculp thought, but not that great.

>>46374656

Cybermask puts the Hacker into Impersonation-2.

Having ODD on top of that would cause enemies to Discover at -6 WIP. And they might be trying to argue that enemies ARO at -6 plus -3 for Surprise Shot for a total of -9 by having both at once.

However, you don't get both at once, so enemies ARO at -3 when you Surprise Hack or BS Attack out of Impersonator, and they hit the ODD for -6 afterwards when the Custodier spends subsequent Orders.

>>46374799
Kill yourself faggot shit

>>46374784

Yeah, if he's playing YJ, shouldn't he have tons of Chain Rifles available to him?

>>46374817
No u

>>46374789
Its more like a meds gun methink.... a paramedic

>>46374789
Enough of the Chinks, what are those two red beasts in the background?

>>46374748
that's what you get for having positive opinions, nerd

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I recently picked up the USAriadna Army box and the Vanilla Ariadna starter pack. My friend just picked up the Aleph starter pack. Do you guys have any ideas for building an Ariadna list from what I have that would be fun and fair to go up against the Aleph Starter? Our goal is to get our Magic and DnD friends into Infinity so some good starter games would be helpful.

Also, my friend would like to field a very robot heavy list with his Aleph which I assume just means he needs hackers and engineers, but any suggestions you guys have for building that would be great (maybe the TAG?).

I tried to attach a pic with all the packs from my phone, but it didn't turn out well so here's what's in the boxes.

USAriadna box: Devil Dog + Antipode, 3 Grunts, Maverick, Marauder, Foxtrot, Minuteman

Vanilla Ariadna box: 3 Line Kazaks, Chasseur, Veteran Kazak, 3rd Highlander Grey

Aleph Box: 3 Dakini Tactbots, Naga, Asura, Deva Functionary

Thanks for any help you can give guys we appreciate it.

>>46374831
ISS - sure, but it sounds like he was playing JSA. They have focus on CC and mobility. But JSA also has e/m grenades which ruin chimera pretty fast.

Word is penix is now 40 points, can a nerd please confirm?

>>46374854
Gecko's from Nomads. Already released. Small Tags receiving fireteam Duo with this update

>>46374801
I agree. The USARF were very static, for the most part so are these. But they're still really nice sculpts and I think the rest of their releases will be a good contrast like the Su Jian cat mode. It's good to see ISS finally get some love and hopefully the Vanilla starter will get that treatmen as well. I might even consider starting

>>46374894
Oh, now I see. For a moment I thought those were either new or new sculpts for them.

>>46374890
Word is also that the Hacking phase and Datascrolls "points" system may really slow down the game

>>46374955
U w0t m8?

>>46374863
Well, he will need a hacker and the Deva works. Dakinis are robots, just use more and add some Remotes; he'll probably want the smaller drones box, the Rebots. As for Engi, Sophotect is a popular choice.

>>46374983

He's trolling with AoS faggotry.

>>46374925
Yeah, i also thinking to pick them up coupled with Su Jian soon. I'll just hope they'll make the next batch more alive and in action.

>>46374863
On that blurry photo the Foxtrot looks like a bearded skeleton.

>>46374759
He has it m80, check it again

Phoenix 40pts. Proxys overhauled. Counts as 1 slot in the Combat Group and 2 new proxies mk 4 and 5

>>46375176
Mk 3 goes to 6-2 move. Mk4 is a beefier HI with an HMG or a heavy rocket launcher. Mk5 is MI with a Mk12 or 2 sub machine guns

>>46375196
I imagine this is the tip of the iceberg. As someone who just started Infinity, I'm kinda glad I went with JSA and not Aleph as it seems like they're poised to change a little less.

Atalanta BTS3, and 4pt drop.

Guardian is a similar chart to Martial arts, with more emphasis on damage increase and negative opponent mods.

Drakios cannot be seem by MSV for the first 2 turns.

Only SMG/Chain Thorakitai have 360 Visors. The rest are 2 pts cheaper. And they get a Feuerbach option

Any changes to NCA/shock army? other than locusts and orcs.

>>46375279
do you have the book? Or are these just forum leaks

asawira pls be tweaked

>>46375279
>Atalanta BTS3, and 4pt drop.
Today is a good day.

>>46375299
This

I am expecting pretty big changes for SAA

>>46375321
Leaks from Aleph FB group

Asura Hacker can be LT now and gain Redrum

Myrmidons are the same, but the CoC officiers are 2 pts cheaper.

Teucer is one average 3 points more and loses 3bts. Feuerbach gains an EXP mode

Devas are the same, but the Sensor option can be Lt.

>>46375361

>Asura Hacker can be LT now and gain Redrum

I might have to start ALEPH as my second faction. Shame there's not a Vedic Sectorial, because I would be so all over that.

>>46375392
>Shame there's not a Vedic Sectorial
Truth.

>>46375299
>>46375349
Some people are saying that you can enlist drakios, scylla and teucer in Acontecimento

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Moira changes?

>>46375176
>>46375196
Man, I hope that makes Posthumans playable. I love their fluff, but the rules are shit-awkward and a waste of effort and time.
>>46375279
Not sure how to feel about the loss of the 360° Visor on my Thorakitoi. 2 pts is nice and all, but, I don't know, I've gotten used to this particular convenience.

>>46375702

I'd love to see a Cassandra Kusanagi resculpt. Man, she could be one sexy new model.

Also just an FYI, I saw a few boxes left of HSN3 and the preorder mini they werent selling at adepticon, could you preorder there or are they holding them at all?

>>46374606
>He had
So he brought a bunch of smoke; everything up to Yojmbo is all good, but Keisotsu links are shit. Seems he was trying to compromise bringing a lot of quite expensive stuff in and didn't even have enough for a full 10 orders without digging into his TO.

Remind him that Keisotsu aren't very good and that dropping an Oniwaban/kitsune or Saito for a Haramaki link + kempeitai is a much better idea.

Nagas and Dasyus are mostly the same but gain a KHD option.

Penny is 3pts cheapers

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>>46375299
Fingers crossed for a Bolts update. Such lovely models deserve better than sitting in a display case all year.
That said, ORCs with Duo might be kinda neat? I mean, they are no Swiss or Aquila, but still...

>>46375795
keisotsu links aren't shit, people win tournies with those. always have a specOp there, though. haramaki are much worse, since not specialists.

>>46375821
Bolts with Haris would be nice.

>>46375765
>Some people are saying that you can enlist drakios, scylla and teucer in Acontecimento

Will the Regulars still cost 0.5 SWC for forward observers? That is the real question

>>46375871
Oh, yeah, that might be cool.
Now just up their ARM or drop their cost a little. Just gimme me reason not to spam more Fusiliers.

>>46375935
Bagh Mari are supposedly going down in SWC, so chances are Regulars will get a cost reduction as well.

>>46375871

Bolts with Haris would mimic Wildcats, and they just got Haris. I think Bolts would be a good PanO mirror to Wildcats, they are close anyway.

Bolts:
>AVA 5
>Fireteam: Haris
>Number 2 option

>>46375975

Can a Haris link be formed alongside a standard sectorial Fireteam? If so, a second Link might not be a bad idea. Run three Bolts and five Fusiliers for superb Order efficiency, or put the Haris Link in a second combat group with some other models to make both combat groups more efficient.

>>46376016
>Can a Haris link be formed alongside a standard sectorial Fireteam?

Yes. That's the entire point of the skill.

More forum leaks

Hafza get a hrl profile

Asawira about 7 points cheaper across the board, duo, Haris options, major bts bump, actually somewhat decent in cc now.

Looks like druze access in vanilla ala kaplans. Base profile gets a chain colt
Lower SWC on LGL
Killer and Assault HD, both get d charges
New boarding shotgun + EM grenade profile. And not all profiles have Xvisor

Baird get killer and reg hacking devices plus some cool upgrade programs as well

Farzan get a BS mine layer option

Muyibs can join a Asawira Haris team

>>46375854
Haramaki aren't there for specialists. They are there to lock down the table while your squishy specialists run up.

Is there a way to pay a Reverend Army in Nomads? They're super cool and Battle Nuns In Space sounds awesome

>>46376082

Running two Combat Groups just got very appealing to me for some reason.

>>46375854
walking upfield with BS 10+3, 1 W units to try to grab objectives is... not a great idea. You need a solid firebase that can solve problems so that your actual button pushers (ninja hacker, aragoto hacker, tokusetsu, yuriko, whatever) can do their work in peace.

>>46376162
Play Bakunin. Pick Observance troops.

>>46376162

As of HSN3, should the rumors prove to be true, Bakunin Sectorial with Moira Link with possibility of Kusanagi and/or Revered Healer, Custodier Haris, Sin-Eaters, REMs as needed.

Kind of sucky and limited, though. Throw in some Prowlers and Zeroes if you have the points for them, and possibly Chimera.

But, in all honestly, it'll limit your options even worse and be a huge liability against MSV, even with lots of Repeaters and White Noise. You're better off just having some key Observance troops and depending on the wider range of Bakunin toys than focusing solely on Observance troops.

>>46376016
Fusilier Core (or a Bolt Core if your feeling gutsy), Bolt Haris and ORC Duo for cool order efficiency. That actually sonds pretty awesome.
Just fill the rest of the list with some more specialists and drones and your good.

Any info about Nexus Operatives from CA?

>>46376252

Huh, Haris for all doesn't sound so bad, as now you can run GI+/Specialist+ in a smaller link alongside a link of GI Troop.

>>46376162
Just take lots of Moiras? Or play Bakunin for Moira links. It should be noted, however, that Riot Grrls are better in many ways; Moiras are strong against nooby armies, but if your enemy is carrying MSV or lots of templates (and solid lists will definitely have those), those ladies are going to go down very, very quickly. Moiras have 0 BTS, and only 3 ARM with 1 W and are pretty pricey at the mid-30 point range. that powerful -6 from ODD is mitigated by MSV or direct templates.

Yet more forum leaks

Geckos: 53/54pts 0/.5 SWC. BTS is upped to 6, and they have gained ECM and fireteam duo. The pilots now have assault pistols.

>>46376367
So a one point drop on the Mk 12 version with -1 SWC? that sounds fun.

Pheasant sniper is 5 points cheaper and gets Marskman X. Red fury profile as well. Haris too.

Can anyone here recommend a good token set to pick up? I'm playing Nomads and have plenty of models

>>46374759
Neither does the dossier?

>>46376549
So presumably it doesn't have monofilament anymore? 32 points for BS 12, marksmanship X MSV1, 2 ARM, 1 W. Hmm, I probably still won't take it (you take pheasant for the CoC and the MSR profile doesn't get it).

>>46376637

What gives you lots of camo and tokens for states hacking programs put you in?

>>46376661
I have no idea, this why I am asking

>>46376112

Sekban. Duo, + 3 BTS, BS 13! very minor points drop

Odalisque. Still no specialist, but swc drop

djanbazan get a shock marksman rifle profile. For slightly cheaper than a sniper.

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>>46376745

Well, here's most, if not all, of the tokens you'll need, plus templates and silhouette markers.

I think there's an online builder for custom token sheets somewhere, but I lost that link.

kusinagi has a spitfire and can join custodier harris and has specialist troop

>>46376549
Tell me about Bao, why do they wear the mask?

>>46376367
now if only they had better weapon options

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>>46376890

That's bullshit but I believe it.

Someone Kusanagi edit, plz.

>>46376162
Observance player here:
Sin Eaters and Custodiers will be your best friends. One Sin-eater is basically mandatory if you play Observance, two is better. The Mk12 is a lovely gun which I cannot recommend enough. 0SWC, awesome. HMG is also great.
Costodier with a marker is incredible for infuriating the enemy. The utility provided by the HD+ is staggering.
The Healer is the only one without ODD, which is quite crappy. Expect her to be dodging a lot of bullets. Bring one, don't bother with any more.
Kusanagi is nasty and has a gun for most situations. She's the obvious Lt and quite squishy, as such most opponents will be gunning for her, so keep her safe. A Moira link with her in it is the default.
The Moiras overall have a very decent gun in the multi-rifle. ODD is good, but won't hold out forever, so you better learn to pick your battles. Ignore you various CCWs, you do NOT want to actually engage anything in melee unless it's a last resort or some chaff. Instead stay at range and engage in shooting matches.
Go cry in a corner if your opponent has an Aquila or something along those lines.

>>46376806
OK, thanks, but this doesn't help me. I'm looking for something nicer than a crapy piece of paper

I got the book, if anyone has any requests i can take some photos. Don't really want to take pics of the whole book cause this shit will hit the streets within a week.

>>46377258
>Go cry in a corner if your opponent has an Aquila or something along those lines.

Custodier don't get White Noise through hacking device?

>>46377446
Gimme new Bashi Bazouks (Haqq), pretty please

>>46377446
Requesting Yu Jing army pages please

>>46377446
Acontecimento Shock Army please.

>>46377258
With the assisted fire supportware why would you bring a Sin Eater? The TR bots just seem cheaper and so much better to me.

>>46377455
They do.

>>46377472
>>46377470
>>46377474
Got it, 5-10 minutes please. gotta get lighting right.

>>46377446
Any changes to Moiras, Kusanagi, Custodiers?

>>46374784
he usually has one dude with a chain rifle with second in command or something se he never goes into LoL. But he hides him at the back.

>>46377493
hassassin units, if you got the time

>>46377493
You are a gentleman and a scholar

You are a saint Anon. A second for Yu Jing, but anything is great.

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>>46376367
Mah dick.

Someone on the forums is saying there is a dual ML Yan Huo profile with a tinbot-c and neurocinetics... this is fake, right?

>>46377632
dual ML Yan-Huo with neurocinetics would be pointless, since it's already B2 in ARO, right?

>>46377632
gotta be

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>>46377474
pano stuff first. just gonna post all the army entries.

>>46377446
Personally, I'd be interested in CA and ALEPH army lists, but I don't know how feasible it would be just to snap all the unit profiles.

>>46377727

>sideways phone shots

Kill me

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>>46377727
Omg thank you anon! God's work

>>46377761
Don't listen to this ungrateful cunt and post more please

>>46377479
Just bring both

>>46377727
Awwwww shit.

>>46377730
I'd love to second ALEPH.

>>46377761
Dude's at a con. Cut him some slack

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>>46377787

>>46377707
That's not how it works you little shit

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>>46377818
Nice work anon, keep going please

>>46377479
i agree; i like bakunin, but i don't like sin eaters. Models look too boring.

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>>46377908
yu jing, hype for the CG forward observer!

>>46377707
No, +1 to B due to dual weaponry is applied only in active turn.

>>46377951
YES YES YES FUCK

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>>46377951
pheasant good finally? still seems pricey but haris is nice. red fury is a b 4 dam 13 shock. range bands as spitfire.

>>46375392

What is Redrum?

>>46377406

Paper is crap, but you can buy 1" round stickers to fit over them and it makes them much better on the cheap.

There's some mini suppliers that sell 25mm round tokens for various things:
http://warsen.al/collections/markers/infinity
https://undergroundlasers.com/index.php?id_category=20&controller=category

>>46377972
Now go read what neorocinetics does

>>46377951
>HRL Raiden has Minelayer and Antipersonnel mines now
I'm feeling some hype there. I think it took a 2 point bump for that? Probably worth it.

>>46377727
>>46377830
>Sergeants get linkable HRLs
I like this.
I smell a new MO starter.

>>46378005
A giant fuck you to enemy hackers.

>>46378059

In what way?

>>46377951
Pheasant loses mono for DA; MSR version drops DA for basic CCW and has Marksmanship X. Gained Free Agent, +2 CC.

Keisotsu got point decrease to 8. FO is still 10.
CG w/ kuang shi controller is 1 point cheaper. Kuang Shi still have biolocater

Raiden HRL is now 2 points more expensive, but gains antipersonnel mines

Shang Ji no longer has regular hacking device; it's assault hacking. HRL + light shotgun profile

Bao has price reductions.

Can't see clearly, but looks like Crane got some price reductions as well.

>>46377999
OH GOD OH GOD

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>>46377999
this one got mildly fucked.

>>46378093
Still these are great thanks! Keep em coming, anon!

>>46378093
well, honestly, the other yj pics are kinda fucked too, can't see the points.

>>46377999
>pheasant good finally?
Still not worth it, especially since Bao also got price drop of 1 point.

Hard to see that page, but most things here look fairly similar.

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>>46378093
Crane got a point drop across the board i think.

>>46378093
close up

>>46378093
Can you take this one again maybe? The left side is sadly entirely unreadable.

>>46378093
haqq please
especially druze

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>>46378141
Link teams.

>>46378141

I just want to say, thanks so much for dropping these shots on us, so excited for when you get to factions I play

>>46378141
Oh god, how cheap is that Chain Rifle SMG Wu Ming?

Thank you!

>>46378141
Do Killer Hacking devices count as hackers for specialist purposes?

>>46378093
Sorry don't mean to be rude but we know nothing of Sun Tze V2 and would appreciate another look.

>>46378153
I would appreciate this as well, good anon.

>>46378171
Bao/Pheasant can Haris to make a great sniper nest, Aw Fuck.

The Hsien Zhanying link is entirely surprising.

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>>46378153
i'll get to it.

>>46378154
soon

>>46378171
ariadna

>>46378171
Jesus. This is great! YJ get so many Fireteam options

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>>46378225
this is shit too.

>>46378225

>i'll get to it.
Thank you!!

>>46378183

Yes, as do HD+ and WHD.

>>46378225
>Blackjack and Hookers
>Hackable
What! How have I missed this!

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>>46378268
haqq

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>>46378307
the second page for haqq was complete shit. so retaking that. any other requests for reshoots?

>>46378179
25 points for CR wu ming

>>46377999
tell me about domarus please

>>46378268
Voronin has 2 profiles?

Are traktor mul weapons still short ranged and gay?

They look awesome! continue please!

>>46378355
> 25 points

Muh gawdy

>>46378379
>tell me about domarus please

See
>>46377999

Please do not waste valuable attendee time on what is already answered

>>46378355

GIB NOMAD PLOX

>>46378355
>>>46378179
>25 points for CR wu ming

You are doing gods work

Can we see Aleph or nomads? Please Please?

>>46378355
i cant see druze cost
can you just write them one by one?
please?

>>46378355
>tfw Azra'il are no longer linkable

All I wanted was duo

>>46377727
>>46377830
>Magister Knights lost the EXP option, but got a point cheaper and gained +1CC.
Neat little change, I never used the EXP CCWs anyway.
>Black Friars
Surprisingly boring.
>Order Sergeants with Auxbot and HRL
I'm sure there's some bullshit that can be pulled with that combo.

>>46378355
No Azrail team, and Hafzas limited to only 2 in a Core....And cant join Merc links. Really?

The last two pages of yujing stuff pls.
Can't see the cost of ruishy and pangulin

>>46378495
qapu kalqi was having more than the regulation amount of fun

>>46378355

Rules pages? Any shots of changed rules?

Specifically:
Natural Born Warrior
Coordinated Order

Possibly gun stats, but those are secondary. Get the factions done first.

And thank you, Based Scanon.

Thanks! Keep it coming, I need my Onyx fix ;).

*coordinated order are in the basic rules.

Can we see the complete sectorial lists?

>>46378495
Kind of a kick in the balls for QK really.

Not only are the majority of QK link shenanigans now available to all, but existing options have been taken away too.

>>46377818
>ORC (Haris)
>ORC (Duo)
Bitchin', ORCs got interesting.

Well, MO also got the shaft - literally nothing changed, no Killer Hacking Device, no White Hacking Device, no Harris, still no Knight Specialists - except for Santiago which may, with Duo, actually be quite a nice option.

>>46378646
Except the fact the OS gained a linkable Paramedic, so gained a specialist option outside Konstantinos
OS gained a linkable HRL profile
OS gained a non-linkable HRL + Auxbot profile

>No changes to Bolts.
Boo. Boo, I say.
Neoterran Bolts will continue being the one thing not played in the Neoterran Capitaline Army. Brilliant.

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>>46378355

>>46378421
getting there

>>46378551
kinda dont want to cause there shit will get out there. i got a friend waiting to do some games atm. so i wanna finish this up.

>>46378646
nooo, i need more MO stuff...

where are these black friars?

>>46378646
Is the Order Sergeant Paramedic specialist and the HLR options not enought for you?

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>>46378581
HERE YA GO

>>46378689

Thanks anyway, you're the hero we need, but not the one we deserve.

Have fun with them games.

>>46378676

Yeah, you're right, Order Sergeants got a nice buff - which means a good MO force will, like always, consist mostly of Order Sergeants, Specialist Sergeants and REMs :D I'm fine with that, at least I don't need more models until resculpts show up.

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>>46378689
haqq page

>>46378695
See
>>46377727

>>46378729
gonna need my MSV for this one

I kid keep up the good work

>>46378729

Thank you!

Aleph please!

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>>46378761
nomads

>>46378729
this is suprisingly readable Oo'

>>46378689
You've done enough Anon, thanks a ton.

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>>46378825
this page is mildly fucked. its mostly cant see the points i think.

>>46378767
Missed it.

>>46378729
>No Ko Dali

BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY

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>>46378761
Thanks for that, bro. You're a champ.

>another point cut
>BTS 9
>assault
>kinematica
>religious
Man I just don't know what they want to do with asawiras.

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>>46378896
CA

Bran do castro specialist?

No one going to comment on the fact the Acontecimento Regular hacker gets a Fast Panda and a Light Greande Launcher for 1 swc?

>>46378860
Looks like Kusanagi gets Specialist Operative and a Spitfire option.

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>>46378920
what did religious troop do? Thorikitai lost 360 visor on some models but got religious troop universally.

>>46378929

>>46378952
>implying anyone plays Acontecimento

>>46378952
I was too busy looking at that .5 swc FO

>>46378952
No one plays Acontecimento, anon. No one.

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>>46378974
aleph there and here

>>46378929

Could you repost this one? It's all blurry and the most important one (Nexus) can't be read.

>>46378974
ignores guts rolls
ignores retreat

>>46378997
Yes, that makes me sad and angry, one thing I wanted them to fix

>>46379004
Might be neat for vanilla

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>>46379014

>>46379014
Nice Drakios get Free Agent and Albedo

>>46378974

...what IS that new thing on the Sophotech's abilities? It's got something extra I can't read.

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>>46379064
link teams

>>46379021
yeah i'll get to it. i noticed the pages with tons of shit kinda came out like that.

>>46377951
Why do Shang Ji have fireteam duo? Is it just for when you want to turn that on in vanilla armies with an EVO repeater? Seems weird.