>His setting doesn't take place in the Byzantine Empire

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>>46305520
>His setting is a lazy pastiche of a historical culture without any of the context

>>46305520

>my setting actually does have a quasi-Byzantine Empire, which was once the big dick motherfucker king of all nations but has been in a gentle decline for centuries as other, more vibrant nations spring up over the rest of the world

Fucking Byzantine, man. Stole Croatia from me last time I played CK2.

>>46305520
But anon. Byzantines are turks

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>>46305520
>Byzantines
>anything but Turks
Look at them Gaius, how they fashion themselves to be some kind of noble Greeks. Or even worse, Romans like us. Yet at their heart they are nothing but uncivilized desert folk, struggling to keep the urge to kill their neighbours over some camels in check.

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>>46305824
>He says this while posting an East Roman saint from Syria

>>46305851
>2016
>not accepting Georgie as the new saint of shitposting

>>46305851
Back then it was still the Imperium Romanum, not East Rome

>>46305520
IT DOES! HA! SUCK MY DOUX, JUSTIE!

>>46305657

Don't the Byzantines start CK2 already on the ropes? You must have fucked up to lose territory to them.

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>>46305520
>his PCs are anything other than skeletons
What are you, some kind of life SJW?

>>46305968
>Implying Sans is undead
>Stereotyping skeleton monsters as undead
Check your privilege, shitlord. 1 in 5 skeletons are killed by paladins.

>>46305520
Well, yes. We are playing fantasy arabian nights.

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>>46305968
>implying I ever play non-skeleton PCs
I literally made a thread about it
you think you can speak for me?
>I am a skeleton in all aspects including physical
#Unlivesmatter

>>46306011

>Fantasy arabian nights

Nice. That's one I'd like to run some day.

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>>46305520

Oh, I'm no turk.

>>46305520
Oh hey look, it's the Emperor that's remembered by a friese that's two thumbs large. Wow, he must have been almighty indeed.

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>>46306109

Yeah, he was alright.

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>>46306145
Don't forget about this, literally Napoleon's inspiration for the Code Civil.

>>46306169

I wasn't aware that Napoleon had copied Justinian, but he had such a massive boner for all things Roman and Greek that it does not surprise me in the slightest.

>>46305520
Yes, I AM a Turk. And that's why my setting takes place in the Byzantine Empire.

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>>46306175
He even renamed the Code Civil des Français the Code Napoléon after forcing his client states to adopt it. First of all to abandon the Frenchness of the Code Civil (in other words to make it universal) and secondly to copy the tradition of Roman emperors to name their legal codices after themselves.

A pity, after 1453 Napoléon was the closest we got to Rome Reborn.

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>>46306194
Fuck off Frenchie, there was always a true sucessor to the Romans

Maybe if both of you stopped sucking millenia-old Roman cock your countries would be worth something today.

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>>46306226
>"Holy"
>""""""""Roman""""""""
>""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Empire""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

There aren't enough quotation marks in the world to properly describe how hard I'm laughing.

>>46306236
>EVER removing your lips from Roman cock
Centuries of sucking Roman cock is what made the West what it is today.

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>>46306236
If you're from anywhere west of Siberia you're probably born from a nation of lovers of roman dick. If you're not, you don't matter anyway.
Also, >>46306243
>Centuries of sucking Roman cock is what made the West what it is today.

>>46305957
They don't. They are pretty powerful, at least on Stamford bridge bookmark. Also, I was Hungary, I wanted Croatia for my Carphian Empire but they snatched it first together with Venice.

>>46306243

>Centuries of sucking Roman cock is what made the West what it is today.

That is a pretty accurate summary of Western history.

>>46305824
Uh... Dude, If they aren't Roman, what the fuck are you guys? You got your asses handed to you so utterly that you couldn't even survive in just Italy. I don't see Western Rome reconquering much after it's fall, unlike, you know, the reconquest of Italy, Africa and Spain.

>>46306382
Anything after the division of the empire was just a weak attempt to recreate former glory

Byzantine itself and the fall of Constantinople are going to feature in my multi-generational gurps omnibus campaign.

Suck on that, OP.

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>>46306382
>I don't see Western Rome reconquering much after it's fall, unlike, you know, the reconquest of Italy, Africa and Spain.
The West Roman Empire was temporarily restored under... a Germanic Frank. You literally can't make this shit up.

>>46306169
That's a whole lotta simplification right there. The Paris costumary law, also partly inspired by the romanocanonical procedure contributed most to the material law aspect of his Code Napoléon. Justinian's Code was overall a pretty meagre document, and it's only after centuries of reception by civilist lawyers, alongside the Digests that it approached anything usable or workable.

>>46306243
>holy
mandated by the pope. What more do you want for a coutnry to be holy than the ruler being called Emperor of Christians by the fucking pope?
>Roman
I'll give you that after Barbarossa, but there was definitely a good chunk of time where Rome was part of the Empire and the base of it's legitimacy. As Barbarossa said to the lion "No Empire without Rome"
>Empire
So multiple kingdoms, peoples, realms are all united under a man that is recognized as an Emperor by the political landscape. That is, in my experience, the very definition of an Empire.


Memes are unhealthy anon.

>>46306464
Is that so? Could you please provide me with some more reading material on the subject? I was always told the Codex Justinianus was the primary source of inspiration.

>>46306472
House Habsburg was a mistake

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>>46306472
>mandated by the pope.
By 1806 the emperors hadn't been crowned by the pope for generations, and as far back as the 11th century the pope and emperor were nearly constantly in conflict.

>I'll give you that after Barbarossa
And before it. Most of the territory was never held by Rome, Germanic traditions like trial by combat held sway in the region for generations and their only claim to Romanness was being held by Charlemagne... himself not even a Roman... who was born in modern day Liège... and ruled from Paris until he moved his court to Aachen out of convenience. We wuz imperium 'n shiet tho.

>That is, in my experience, the very definition of an Empire.
An empire in name only, hence the quotation marks. Most members of the Empire (there aren't enough quotation marks in the world so I'm not even going to bother anymore) spent most of their time waging war on eachother, more often than not with outside help (such as Austria and Prussia seeking outside help against eachother, Bavaria having had close ties to Louis XIV of France etc.).

>Memes are unhealthy anon.
So is Germany, yet nobody ever bothered with wiping it off the map.

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>>46306502
>buttblasted frenchie is still mad
And this is why the world makes fun of you

>>46306502
>By 1806 the emperors hadn't been crowned by the pope for generations, and as far back as the 11th century the pope and emperor were nearly constantly in conflict.

yeah, and by 1806 the HRE was dying. hardly a point to meassure it by.

>their only claim to Romanness was being held by Charlemagne

how about using Roman institutions, Roman language, Roman law (oh no, trial by combat invalidates that!) and OWNING ROME.

>An empire in name only, hence the quotation marks. Most members of the Empire (there aren't enough quotation marks in the world so I'm not even going to bother anymore) spent most of their time waging war on eachother, more often than not with outside help (such as Austria and Prussia seeking outside help against eachother, Bavaria having had close ties to Louis XIV of France etc.).

An Empire isn't defined by internal peace. It's a group of nations or peoples ruled over or governed by an Emperor. And for most of it's existance, that's what happened in the HRE

You're just meming like a motherfucker.

>>46305520
I always wanted to participate in a campaign set during the Makedonian renaissance.
Blinding Bulgars and beating Arabs.

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>>46306502
>Most members of the Empire (there aren't enough quotation marks in the world so I'm not even going to bother anymore) spent most of their time waging war on eachother
Yeah, real Rome never had problems with infighting at all. Oh wait...

>>46306476
The Codex Iuris Civilis was significant mostly because it contained much of the roman (and other) laws edicts and customs (like the lex rhodia) alongside with the Digesta in a single volume, it contained very little original legislation.
It became very important to modern law first when the commentators and glossators in Italy started hammering it out and then when the Germans developed a huge boner for roman law( see the lovely Reichskammergerichtsordnung) and the Pandectists continued to masturbate all over it.

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>>46306533
>yeah, and by 1806 the HRE was dying.
I wonder who was behind this.

>hardly a point to meassure it by.
Notice that I mentioned multiple preceding generations. In fact, Charles V was the last emperor to be crowned by the pope in 1530.

>how about using Roman institutions
The post-Carolingian empire? Do tell.
>Roman language
You mean past the extent that Latin was the lingua Franca of Western Europe until about 1515?
>Roman law
Implemented across Western Europe, and in territories actually held by the Roman Empire to a much greater extent.
>and OWNING ROME
So many people held Rome, and as early as 1181 the HRE no longer held Rome and never held it since.

>An Empire isn't defined by internal peace.
It is however defined by authority. Their claim to Romanness is about as valid as Felipe VI of Spain's claim to the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

>It's a group of nations or peoples ruled over or governed by an Emperor.
Ruled over or governed in name only.

>You're just meming like a motherfucker.
t. Otto the >Great

>>46305957
>CK2
>byzantine empire ever falling

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>>46306194
>>46306226
>>46306243
>>46306439
>>46306472
>>46306488
>>46306502
>>46306518
>>46306533
>>46306564

>>46306047
Check out Tales of the Arabian Nights.

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Was this man a cuck?

>>46306834
Fuck off /tv/

>>46305520
>caring about bitch-ass nigga such as Justinian
>not his far superior, more popular, more skilled general Belisarius

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>>46305520
>Going to Byzantium
>When you can go for ROME

I actually went for "what if the germanics just sat on Rome and called themselves romans, while barely understanding Latin".

But except for germans, they're celts. And except for celts, they're elves. And except for romans, we have humans. So we got a giant empire of half-elves pretending to be human while interpreting human customs and laws in elvish ways.

>>46306834
>>46306870
>Implying they're mutually exclusive rather than complimentary

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>>46306983
>celts pretending to be roman
We already have that in real life though

>>46307006
I thought they're anglo-norman rape babies and actual celts just fuck sheep now.

>>46307031
>I thought they're anglo-norman rape babies
Yeah, which is why England is by far the best part of the Isles: the dillution of Celtic subhuman genes.

>>46306561
This man has it right, tell me, are you studying Roman law somewhere?

>>46306476
I'd recommend "Waelkens, L. (2015). Amne adverso, Roman legal heritage in European culture. Leuven: Leuven University Press" wholeheartedly, although I've only read it in Dutch and don't know how the translation is.

D. Heirbaut en M.E. Storme, "The Historical Evolution of European Private Law" in C. Twigg-Flessner (ed.), The Cambridge Companion to European Union Private Law, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press"
and
T. Duve, "European Legal History: Concepts, Methods, Challenges" in T. Duve (ed.), Entanglements in Legal History: Conceptual Approaches, 2014, 29-66"
Are both good starting points too. The last one is probably easiest to find online.

>>46305520
I use it for all-rogue party campaigns.
Playing justiciars/thieves etc. In the service of the emperor.

>>46306997
Wait in order to have martial prowess you must be a cuck...WHAT?

>>46305957

Even the Byzantine Empire in 1204 usually bounces back to a position of power.

To put it in perspective, the only thing that can really kill the Byzzies in CK2 are multiple Jihads with a powerful Seljuk Empire.

>>46306621
I'm just amused that the French and Germans are arguing over who got to be the next Rome when it was clearly Moscow.

>>46307207
I meant Justinian and Belisarius. They worked best in concert.

>>46307219
>To put it in perspective, the only thing that can really kill the Byzzies in CK2 are multiple Jihads with a powerful Seljuk Empire.
The Seljuks always manage to become a fuckhuge blob though, with only the mongols standing a fighting chance at even weakening them.

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>>46307435
>Slavs
>Romans

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>There are people who didn't take Justinian's dream to the next level

>>46307822
>Randomly blobbing along ugly borders
How about you go fuck yourself?

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>dem aesthetics

Of all the medieval cultures, I like the Byzantines style of armour the best, for the sheer fact that it's a weird mix of Roman,near eastern and western European Frankenstein thing.

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>>46307896

more Frankenstein byzantine armor.

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>>46307822
Not playing superior Cuckold Kings 2

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>>46307913

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>>46307929

>>46307913
1453 never forget
>"The city is lost, yet I live!"

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>>46307928
>>46307822
>The Mediterranean will never be a Roman Lake ever again

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>>46307939

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>>46307970

>>46307970
Is this one representing one of the arab sieges?

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>>46307999

>the band does a reunion tour

>>46308016
Don't need to respond I already found the answer

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>>46308016

No it 1453.

>>46308068
I can't help but feel bad for Constantine XI
it felt like he really tried to save his empire

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>>46307435
Sure thing Ivan

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>>46307435
>Implying the true heir to Rome isn't the United States

>>46308138
Tell me his story, other than him falling in 1453 along with his empire.

>>46307928
I feel like restoring Rome.
1. What mods?
2. What dynasty/starting province?

>>46308252
>1. What mods?
HIP
>2. What dynasty/starting province?
Komneian stamford bridge start.

>>46308187
nice meme

>>46306382
>the reconquest of Italy, Africa and Spain
That actually sped up the decline of the Eastern Roman Empire by spending massive amounts of resources the Eastern Roman Empire didn't have on taking lands that would quickly fall to invaders like the Lombards. There is a reason the Muslims roflstomped the Eastern Roman Empire and the Sassanid Empire soon after they united the Arabian peninsula.

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Don't care about who the true successor of Rome is, just came by to get some revenge for the Massacre of the Latins.

>Tfw the marriage between Charlemagne and a Byzantine princess almost reformed the Empire
>tfw she died on transit to Rome

>>46308386
Women can't do anything right.

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>>46308449
The one thing they can do right, they stopped doing.

>>46307435
You seem to be misunderstanding the legacy of Rome.

>Roman Empire split in two, now Eastern and Western empires
>Western Empire dies
>Charlemagne becomes emperor of the successor state to the WRE and eventually a new successor is formed from the Holy Roman Empire
>Eastern Roman Empire collapses
>Due to orthodox Christianity and intermarriage with the Eastern Roman Empire, Russia claims to be the successor of the ERE, the Ottoman Empire claims the same via both right of conquest and intermarriage.
So at this point we have three Roman Empires, Holy, Ottoman, and Russian
>Holy Roman Empire collapses, Austrian Empire claims to be the de facto successor to the Roman Empire
>German empire forms claims to be the successor of the Holy Roman Empire

So by WW1 we had four Roman Empires, the Ottoman Empire, German 'Empire', Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the Russian Empire. Of course all four collapsed during or soon after WW1 leaving Rome with no true successor state although Italy tried to claim that position to some extent.

What is odd is how Western and non-Western definitions of an Emperor were so different. Outside of Europe an Emperor ruled over a vast area of land or an entire people. So the Persian Emperor ruled over Persia, the Japanese Emperor ruled over Japan, etc. However, Europe which never has such strong cultural lines due to so many rivers and such a small area empires rarely ruled over a definitive area or a single group of people. Thus European empires all claim descent from Rome, or in the case of the Napoleons were self crowned. Even Britain was never truly an empire as the ruler of Britain was still only a king or queen of Britain at any point, although they were also the emperor or empress of India. Same thing with Italy, Victor Emmanuel III was still only king of Italy even after he was proclaimed Emperor of Ethiopia.

>>46308638
>What is odd is how Western and non-Western definitions of an Emperor were so different.
I'd say it's a Western mistake to use the Western label of emperor to apply to whatever label other civilizations used. For example, the Persians referred to their own "emperor" as Shahanshah, or King of Kings. As Westerners we only call them emperor because that's the only word we have for "king bigger than king", with the problem being that historically that term is so closely tied to Rome and its pretenders.

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>>46308187
We aren't the heirs to Rome, we just stepped in to fill the role of naval power/world police that Britain left empty after WW2.

>Rule Columbia, Columbia rules the waves
>Americans no more will be slaves!

>>46308449
to be fair, it was her idiot doctor who said it would be ok to travel during the winter while sick when she should have just waited to recover

>>46308793
The German Kaiser, often translated as emperor is a king that rules other kings. Therefore even the German Reich of 1871 had smaller Kingdoms like Prussia and Bavaria.

>>46305520
Evet, ben bir Türk.

>>46309251
>The German Kaiser
Which is the German bastardization of Caesar so even that title draws its origins from Rome. Same with Czar for Russia.

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>>46305520
>calling it the Byzantine Empire
True Romaioi would never use a name which attacks the legitimacy of the true continuation of the Roman Empire, pleb.

>>46308638
>What is odd is how Western and non-Western definitions of an Emperor were so different.
That's because we didn't actually "translate" the titles of Eastern rulers, but instead chose to honor them with the same title our Roman senpai used. The actual definition of the Eastern titles would be quite different. The Japanese word for Emperor, for example, is probably more closely translated as "heavenly sovereign", but we call him an Emperor because that's a title in our culture that has prestige and importance behind it.

>>46310095
>Czar
You mean Tsar/Цap.

>>46311536
Цapь, not Цap, you capitalist fool. Don't try typing Russian words if you don't respect the soft sign.

>>46311619
Fuck the soft sign I hate it so much. I grew up with a Slavic language as my second language thanks to my parents (Not Russian, mind you) and there is nothing I hate more in the world than the soft sign.

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>>46310264
>Rome-senpai was gone for centuries but everyone still wanted to be noticed by him

>>46313611
>Rome
>gone
Roma invicta, he still loves on in our hearts

>>46306179
>>46309845
I just want to say that I think you guys have a pretty interesting history and culture and I don't get why 4chan bullies Turks so much
n-no homo

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>this thread

>>46314558
Probably because T*rks are shit
I'll admit they do have an interesting history
and that I'm currently playing as the Ottomans in EU4 to try to take as much European land as possible and convert the pops to Islam

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>>46314558
M-Muh Byzantiums though
I guess Turks are generally good guys, it's probably the most modern country in the Islamic world and a popular vacation destination
Their European diaspora does give them a bad name though, but it's unfair to judge an entire people by only looking at the worst of the worst

>>46314863
>"Orthodoxy fags need to get a grip"
Lost it

>>46308352
Fuck venice

>>46314558
they kind of went in killed of the roman empire then started conquering everyone around them Europeans Arabs Africans and the power vacuum from their empire falling led to a lot of current day problems with the middle east

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>i'm the real successor to rome
>no me
>no me
>no me
>being proud of being conquered
>conquered by italians of all people

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>>46317860
Hi Hans!

>>46317705
To be fair, that power vacuum mostly resulted from the sudden collapse of the French and British empires. The Ottomans actually dindu nuffin.

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>>46318101
Yeah I thought the same when I was twelve, then I studied history.

Also:
the Franks were a segment of the germanians that migrated into western Europe.
The Holy Roman Empire uniting into one nation scared the shit out of Europe.
The rest of Europe were eager to take down a threat to their power.
Germany was winning WWI, their armies were dominating, their U-boats were unrivaled, they had dominated the sea. They won the war.
Then came the Balflour declaration getting American into the war because the Jews literally control our politicians, the Rothschild's especially
Hitler comes along in the midst of the great depression, literally turns everything around and makes the nation rich again. Jewish decadence, and Impressionist art is gone and Germany is leading in science and culture.
Then the Jewish controlled media takes over American interest, and greed over for the pacific American colonies.

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>>46318736
This is literally the most out of nowhere obvious /pol/ posting I have seen so far on /tg/. Don't even try to deny it because you didn't even try to hide it.

First of all, no, krauts weren't dominating the seas, even with a positive KDR at the Battle of Jutland, the Royal navy was still the dominant force in the ocean purely by merit of its size. Jutland was a gamble by the German navy to figh them piece meal, and their plan failed, further more, the Germans were tiring of war as much as the Brits and French and Germany was suffering internally. It was a stalemate and the burgers merely added more weight to tip the scales in one side, otherwise it would probably have just ended like the Korean war. Should have just left Lusitania alone Fritz.

Then comes WW2 where the nips are violently expanding in every direction causing the burgers to cut their oil supply, nips then attack allied colonies whom the Americans already have good relations with and bomb Pearl Harbour, and just to make sure the Americans wouldn't have to make any tough calls, Hitler declares war on them too. Never mind that he had been warring a friend of the US and also had his subs sinking American ships shipping supplies to the Bongs. Never mind all this, it's obviously the kikes' fault.

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>>46319441
True that, just adding two more points:
1. By the time the Americans got involved in WW1 the Germans had been pushed almost entirely out of France, both of their allies had already collapsed and their occupation of Ukraine kept a lot of German manpower occupied. Meanwhile the Entente could draw on nearly unlimited manpower (albeit highly untrained and underequipped) from the colonies. The war had already swung in the Entente's favor (if Von Moltke is to be believed, it had already done so after the Miracle of the Marne).

2. You forgot the biggest counterargument to the "Jews forced America into the war because they were jealous of Germany" canard: nobody forced Hitler to wage war. In fact, the Entente kept appeasing him until Poland. If he had stopped just short of Poland, Hitler would be remembered as a gutsy leader who took risks but ended up making Germany stronger and larger than ever before. Instead he's known as the man who started the bloodiest war the world has ever seen purely because of "muh Lebensraum".

And then there's the fact that "Jewish manipulated" America was the one nation that saved Germany from being disbanded after both world wars. The Versailles Treaty we know today was a very toned down version of what the French initially wanted (cession of the Rhineland, splitting up the rest of Germany according to pre-Bismarck borders), mostly due to Wilson's intervention.

>>46305533
Name a setting that isn't.

>>46308252
That's official content actually
DLC though

>>46318736
Man, this is like the European history version of analpained southern inbreds talking about the Civil War.