Full Spoilers for Shadows over Innistrad are up. I fucking love

Jenrik
Came
As
Three
Sheperd
Change

>>46250164
Reminder that the clues aren't proving jackshit.

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Mythical Uncommon

The
Shepherd
Came
Louder
For
Tamiyo

Clue tokens
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EpilepticTrees

Three
Sheperd
Did
Jenrik
As
Angels

reminder that the second set is going to be fucking disappointing no matter what happens

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>>46250193
>mfw followed clues
>mfw it's actually Emrakul

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Gentlemen, everything aside, what does the cross mean?

Why did they highlight this art specifically in the article about the tokens?

>>46250239
Not if it has Tamiyo.

>>46250259
Remember what I said about 434 meaning we're supposed to look at the clue with four words?

>>46250262
Tamiyo
Angels
Markhov
As
Come

>>46250289
No. Please enlighten me.

>>46250305
That clue has 4 words: With angels came mystery. The third word on it is "came". That's the fourth word in "Remember this: they came as three".

To
Consider
The
Angels
Chanting
Questions

>>46250202
i love it

>>46250326
But what has the cross to do with any of that?

>>46250259
They
Came
In
Avacyn

>>46250349
What cross? You mean the artist's fucking watermark?

>literal goddam hedrons sprouted out of no where around Avacyn
>Nahiri, the harbringer
>THE HARBRINGER
Research
This
They
Came
As
Three

So considering how every other notable figure outside of Sigarda and Oloro went off the deep end this set, what is the likelyhood that Thalia has gone evil/insane?

>>46250393
Wait, that's the watermark?

Welp, guess I'm stupid.

So was anyone able to find 6 related cards, take one word out of each of them, and form the plot for the block yet? I'll wait until July.

H>>46250202
YPE
Y
P
E

SPECULATE
P
E
C
U
L
A
T
E

FOIL
O
I
L

>>46250407
Where the fuck are there ANY hedrons in SOI artworks?

Jerik
Kisses
Angels
Every
Single
Day

>>46250415
Thalia is still sane, and rebelling against the Lunarch Council's actions as leader of the faction of the Order of Saint Traft according to flavor texts.

>>46250423
Angels answer when Jenrik grows. Why?

>>46250259
Its just the artist's signature, nothing important

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>>46250448
When was the last time you saw floating rocks?

Markov
Turns
The
Angels
As
Three

>>46250297
don't forget Talia in all likelihood

>>46250481
Emrakul did it

>>46250448
the hedrons are from the avacyn story wotc posted a couple weeks back

She has a vision of hedrons right when she started becoming corrupted

>>46250259
who the fuck is making stained glass windows of evil avacyn?

>>46250448
Stone "obelisks" with runes on them appear in a vision Avacyn has before going mad. It can be pretty safely assumed they were hedrons. The significance of it, we don't know yet.

>>46250494
You do realize that's nahiri's fault, yeah?

>>46250506
no it's nevinyrral

>>46250536
I think this is the real question. I'm pretty it's just meant to be a cool looking thing to show her transformation since the stained glass art of Avacyn is so iconic but it really makes no sense logically.

>>46250202
He joins his Delver brother in the "cards that make me feel physically ill in a good way" category.

>>46250536
Jenrik

The
Answer
Grows
With
The
Research

Guys, we all know it will be Emrakul just because wizard is so predictable and always disappoint when they try to hype something. Remember the SOI posters who just gave us Nahiri card number.

>>46250575
Do you think Jenrik kissed Avacyn?

>>46250572
I hope this isn't implication that that card is as good as Delver.

>>46250448
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/gaze-blank-and-pitiless-2016-03-09

>Everything in front of her doubled. The trees, the mother and child, each blade of grass. Doubled, and then doubled again. A pounding ache ran through her head and she dropped to the ground, crumpled in pain. A field of white flashed through her eyes, followed by an image of many floating stone obelisks with intricate runes carved into their sides, moving in concert with each other...and then a normal scene resumed in front of her. Avacyn whipped her gaze around to identify the source of the attack. Few vampires had ever been powerful enough to launch such an assault. A demon lord, perhaps...

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>>46250569
Punisher Avacyn still have followers.

>>46250592
No, he came on three angels remember?
Avacyn, Bruna, Gisela. That's how Sigarda is still sane.

>>46250536
>>46250569

From what we have seen, the Lunarch church is still functioning and taking orders from Avacyn, so she isnt killing all humans randomly. Thus someone made this stained glass of hers.

>>46250606
I know, that, yes. But it doesn't make any sense that they're going around making slightly different stained glass images of her instead of going around inquisiting.

>>46250593
Nah, I didn't imply that. The art freaks me out in the same way Delver did. That whole shadow of a man crying out trapped in a giant bug vibe.

>>46250423
Always Watching: Avacyn
Neglected Heirloom: Is
Soul Swallower: Engulfed
Aim High: By
Daring Sleuth: Strange
Gatstaff Arsonists: Madness

Avacyn is engulfed by strange madness.

There.

>>46250616
It means you live a life of sin.

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>>46250189

W-what could it mean?

>>46250639
>the Lunarch church is still functioning and taking orders from Avacyn
I thought she wanted a genocide of humans, why would she bother with mortal followers

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>>46250541
The harbringer of what? Avacyn? A planeswalker heralding an angel? Or Emerikool? A God let loose after Ugin and Kozilek died.
>
"Like driving a spike through the hand," said Ugin. "The man will not die, but neither will he trouble other ponds. 'Killing' Ulamog's physical form would be like cutting off the hand. The man might be diminished, but he would survive—and he would be freed."
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/revelation-eye-2015-10-14
>>46250616
Literally blowing my mind away right now.


Ugin was right. Bolas is behind this some how.

>>46250677
>Sorin came on Tamiyo
>Sorin have a daughter
>Nahiri RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Women.

>>46250635
>That's how Sigarda is still sane.
>implying it's not because she was the only Angel he came on
Are you questioning Jenrik's purity?

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/141666848858/your-response-to-the-question-about-tamiyo-joining#notes

Maro apologizes but is still being a cuck asshole

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>>46250639
The Lunarch church is infiltred by demon cultist

>>46250616
why r u circling random words

>>46250657
Er... but that doesn't explain why she's engulfed by strange madness. That's kind of the point of the mystery of the block. And those cards are also not related (though I didn't expect it to be that easy even being able to choose random cards together). It'sl ike if yo utook random flavor text to form "There Are Still Eldrazi On Zendikar". It'd be more impressive if you could make "Kozilek is hiding underneath the ground".

>>46250593
It's obviously not as good as delver, but it's pretty fucking good.

Shuts down a lot of decks which rely on utility creatures. Protects your creatures / discourages removing or blocking them.

Costs ONE R

ONE

>>46250755
>Jacetice League
I like it. That's what I'll call it from now on.

>>46250202
>he should feel like a new man
i see what you did there

>>46250698
It really isn't clear what her end game is, but there is plenty of cards that show the lunarch church exists, and is still serving angrycn.

Hence the lunarch inquisitors, other inquisitor cards, and, how the saint trafts order works against the lunar church


>>46250765
we dont know what extent.

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>>46250782

>>46250782
You asked for random-ass cards to be taken and then form the plot of the set from them.

That's exactly what I did. I'm absolutely certain if one were to look enough there could be a bunch of other janky-ass plots that could be crammed together using the flavor texts from this set.

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>>46250804

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>River's pirates drink every things. Run light children, you will wait until tears stopped flooding life.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

>>46250850
the clues were there all along!

No but it's a lot easier to find words to string together from the large pool of an entire set. This was only 6 cards to draw words from. That was my point. You can't make anything you want that actually has any significance to the plot out of the short flavor texts of 6 cards.

>>46250929
Also 6 cards with the same name from flavor text on cards that don't normally have flavor text.

So what's everyone brewing? I'm making a UR combo deck and it's going to be gloriously terrible

>>46250871
kek MaRo got super mad at someone for that nickname

>>46250641
Stop thinking about logic when you fail so deeply at understanding anything.

Think a bit. Jesus.

>>46250983
U/B zombies. They really arent that powerful but they have so many cute tricks I want to make something with them.

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>>46250755
>http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/141666848858/your-response-to-the-question-about-tamiyo-joining#notes

>mfw Mark "Cuckatog" Rosewater got mad at people hating on Jace and Pussycats

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>>46250929
Kozilek is basically a tunneling geopede anyway.

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I have seen it. Seen the end, seen the beginning, the beginning of the end. Not death, no, no, Transcendence!

>>46250407

Harbinger. Harbinger. Harbinger. Harbinger. Harbinger.

>>46250755
>"Sorry for being a bit harsh"
>"but I just REALLY CAN'T FUCKING STAND puns"

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>>46251112

>>46251112
Confirmed

>>46250983
Fireballs+Triskaidekaphobia.

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>>46251112

Why didn't wizards make a werewolf legend?

>>46251112
>tfw gisa will never tie you up and fuck you in front of geralf while she mocks his skaabs

>>46251297
>why live in this world

>>46251291
I think that's next set. We got the name of Ulrich, a potential WW legend in an uncommon today.
We also didn't get a legendary spirit or zombie, and I think they want to hit the major Innistrad tribes before the block is over.

Limited looks great and they did a great job thematically

but overall power level of the set is trash tier

>>46250202
Does this make Mogg Fanatic good again?

>>46251372
That is some hot opinion, care to elaborate?

>>46251352
Hopefully we've been waiting for a proper werewolf commander since Innistrad came out and I seriously want to make a tribal werewolf edh deck.

>>46251291
Because we didn't get thalia and they killed avacyn

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>These spoilers

>>46251372
>Caring about limited

The most trashy format

>>46251372
Would you prefer it if Lightning Bolt got included, creating a format where creatures with three or less toughness are only played for their ETB effects?
Or perhaps Tarmogoyf, Snapcaster or some other sort of Modern staple that would utterly dominate Standard for the next year and and a half?

>>46251438
Not him. But there's a lot of parasitic shit. I'm not talking about tribal stuff, I mean stuff that says "Investigate" and "Clue" in the text box that don't actually Investigate or make Clues.

Lots of the equipment suck. And they're pushing equipment in the set like the card designs are discards from Zendikar. They've made equipment bad (which I think is a good thing for Limited) but they're wasting our fucking time when they print unplayable garbage and make it even worse when they push cards that are equipment dependent when we don't want to put a lot of that garbage in our deck in the first place.

>>46251525
WOTC releases SOI: "man, why dont they print powerful cards anymore"
WOTC releases siege rhino: "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, wizards make it stoooop!"

>>46251525
Why not bolt, tarmogoyf and snapcaster together?
Add Path to exile and counterspell and i'm in

>>46251421
It might not work in Modern where stuff like Path is so common and there are just better options like Tasigur, Goyf, etc

>>46251615
that sounds like it would be a ton of fun

so no, because fuck you stop casting spells and tap more creatures

>>46251615
Just go play modern.

>>46251421
I don't know, are there good 1-toughness creatures for it to kill?

>>46251755
Modern don't have counterspell, noob

>>46251744
Gee i wish they reprinted counterspell on a standard legal set, so the babies could learn what magic should be about, but the standard babies are the same that cry for low power level, that's the reason wizards treat us like shite

>>46251291
you got a furry planeswalker
now shut yer yiffin

>>46251895
you don't even know fear until you are in danger of getting your combo piece countered to fuck from a tapped out opponent with one card in hand.

>>46251980
Good ol force of will

>>46251998
no no. Not even force. Fucking daze. A person with three tapped lands and 3 cards in hand potentially holds 3 counters. Fuuuuuuuu. Anyways. Carry on

>>46251998
>>46251980
why are you talking about pact of negation in this thread? seriously. reconsider what you are doing here.

>New set cards thread
>people cry about old cards instead

Yeah sure is /tg/ in here

>>46252037
Now imagine them countertop locked, the rage and disspair

>>46251895
aggro is only fun to play when control has options

>>46252106
Countertop is just wrong. Legacy would be so much better without it.

>>46250616
Those circled words form no pattern, calling BS.

>>46250641
Making stained glass windows and inquisiting are two different skill sets. Maybe the window makers aren't very good at being inquisitors.

>>46252172
On a more serious note, it would be nice if instead of giving g Blue nothing but 4+ cmc generic counter spells, they focused on making more counter spells that only counter specific things.

The usual complaints against them involve how a single counter spell can shut down anything, but a better solution is just to make counter spells more specialized rather than expensive to the point of uselessness.

>>46252299
>Making stained glass windows and inquisiting are two different skill sets
Au contraire. We have a card in this set that says otherwise.

>>46251566
someone get these opinions out of the kitchen, they're far too hot

>>46252188
>countertop decks used to be like 40% of the meta and it still wasn't banned
>people still want it banned at 11% of the meta
Truly, top is the greatest card ever printed.

>>46251829
>Fanatic will never take out 2/2s again

It hurts to live

>>46252318
That would be pretty funky. Have they ever printed a counter that only works on spells cast during your turn?

>>46250804
TW: Puns
TW: Not love Jace

>>46252365
No, and it would have to have something like cycling for it to not be retardedly bad and limited.

>>46252318
Dispel only counters instants, although the opponent could be casting that instant on their turn in response to your lightning bolt.

>>46252318
>UU
As an aditional cost to cast CARDNAME, sacrifice a clue
>Counter target spell
Too parasitic?

>>46250189
>Three
>Sheperd
BIBLICAL REFERENCES

THE DEEPEST LORE

>>46252454
Both too parasitic and worse than counterspell.

>>46252454
Probably. I think it would need to coat 4 mana normally and have an alternate way of casting it that involved saccing the Clue.

What might also be neat is a Counter spell that gives you a bonus if you use it against a card with Madness.

>>46252501
>>46252454
*worse than cancel was what I meant

>>46252318
Counterspells (generic]) are good cuz they allow to upp the power level of other cards. specific counters are bad cause you cannot predict what you are going to face until ypu have already started to play.

>people honestly think WotC would bring back a literal who like Marit Lage instead of taking the easy predictable Emrakul route

L O L

>>46252528
That's why you have to have a good mix of them. Its like how other colors need specific removal spells for Enchantments or Creatures separately.

>>46250202
>Put this on their Goyf
>Terminate it
>You literally just paid R for a 3/4

What a counter with the same downside as path to exile for UU?

>>46250202
>Skin Invasion
>not Skinvasion

>>46252350
meh, i think it just make the format that is supposed to be the most interesting has turned to shitstorm with all the kiddies from modern playing tryhard decks to win tournaments. Fuck that, fuck them and fuck countertop. Bring back enchantress.

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Value?

>>46252188
If Top was banned, there'd be less copies of Force of Will around. Storm then proceeds to bend Legacy over its knee until you start spewing the same whiny bullshit about how LED is just wrong and Legacy would be better without it.

Fuck you.

>>46252699
It's shit, literal do-nothing enchantment

>>46252699
Very much so. 4/4 with trample and hexproof for 3 on a very easy condition.

>>46252699
Honestly should cost 1G.

>>46252699
only if you have other ways of enabling delirium, otherwise its trash

>>46252699
probably the most efficient self mill card printed so far.

>>46252740
I am completely fine with storm. Storm is manageable. I don't even know where this is coming from. Do you honestly think that storm would be a problem and miracles is keeping it under control?

lol you must be one of those kids that plays miracles and thinks he is a pro player cause he spins top EOT.

please go back to modern.

>>46252804
I hope this is sarcasm.

>>46252842
I don't think Miracles is keeping it under control, I'm just well aware that Storm is a solid tier 1 deck and that Miracles runs Force of Will.

>>46252627
>>46252627
Somebody mine explaining to me what the big difference is between a hard counter for UU and one for 1UU? I mean I get that ones more expensive, but is there some amazing thing about 2 mana counters other than just being cheaper?

>>46252740
>Storm then proceeds to bend Legacy over its knee
kek, storm isn't even beaten by miracles and there are a billion answers for storm, why would you ever think that would happen?

>>46250606
This guy just screams build-around-me-common in Limited. I'm gonna make it work. Witness me.

>>46252867
The game is already out of control by turn 3 in Modern.

>>46252867
Being cheaper matters a significantly large amount because it means you can stop things your opponents are doing sooner, and in eternal formats your opponents are doing broken things faster. Cancel isn't playable, even really in standard without upside worth the additional 1.

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Fishmen!

>>46252859
ok i am sorry if I over reacted. Most tier 1 decks run force of wills, but its not the only way to stop storm. BUG runs force. omnitell runs. hell even infect runs force and daze and even stifle. I'm not sure how familiar you are with the format so I am just mentioning them few. The format used to be about interesting weird decks, and now its tryhard and miracles is partly to blame.

>>46252920
>Gives creatures Skulk
>Pumps creatures you control
hurr
durr
nice design wizards.

I don't think there was a single creature with skulk that had an on-hit trigger this set.

>>46252922
Miracles is easy enough to hate on so whatever. Kolaghan's Command is a fucking BITCH to deal with. As is Batterskull. Fuck just play Jund or D&T and you'll casually sweep Miracles to one side.

>>46252920
EMERHUAKUL COMFIRMED

>>46252975
Pump after the declare blockers step. Duh.

>>46252975
You pump after blocks you fucking mongoloid.

>>46252975
Yeah you pump your unblocked small dudes after the declare blockers step, duh

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Ugh, great. They've given Thalia negroid features. What won't they fucking do for Tumblr?

>>46252975
also Uninvited Geist, you pleb.

>>46253018
What?She still looks perfectly white to me.

>>46253018
She looks 40 rather than like, 19, but I don't see negroid features.

>>46252975
This card was meant to show new players how to use Skulk.
Congrats on failing to understand a card made for teaching kids how to Magic.

>>46252975
>NWO Audience
Thank god this was an uncommon. This poor boy would be so upset and confused should such a complex card have been common.

>>46253071
>>46253013
>>46253011
>>46253003
D'oh....

>>46253071
>Trying to justify Wizards filling their sets with cards literally no one wants

>>46252900
>>46252908
I guess I just don't get how fast modern decks are. I can think of a couple cards that could slow someone down during the first few turns, but clearly I don't know how Modern plays well enough.

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>that tentacle
>those colors
This all but confirms eldrazi influence.

>>46250164
>I think they managed to do Innistrad justice, which is especially surprising after how bad they fucked up Zendikar.
Sums up my thoughts to a T. There's some outstanding uncommons, great commons (black even has usable spot removal).
Sure there's some trash mythics, but most of the rares are viable in some way or another... buuuut werewolves are still garbage.

>>46253101
I think the most playable Cancel has been Dissolve, and Dissolve is not as far as I know playable in Modern.

>>46253105
It's Marit Lage.

>>46253101
Basically to play Modern at a competitive level, build an aggressive deck that can goldfish wins by turn 3-4 on average while completely ignoring your opponent. Bam, welcome to the pro tour hall of fame.

>>46253018
It must be hard fighting shadows all the time

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>>46253105
eldrazi don't really do lamprey mouths, man

>>46250202
Unfortunately you can't transform and attack with it in the same turn

>>46253153
You put it on your opponent's dude so it has to run into your dude.

>>46253140
Nevinyrral confirmed the final boss of SOI!

>>46253018
Don't hide your tits from me

>>46250202
>opponent play BoP or hierarch T1
>play this and Gutshot
>laugh

>>46253140
>>46253105

It's clearly Y'Golonac the Defiler.

The twist was that it really was the Mythos all along.

>>46253209
>don't look at my tits

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>>46253187
no it's hypnox

Werewolves still need a non-creature permanent that has Immerwolfs ability or at least a non-creature card that has an ability that lets you tragsform target werewolf.

>>46253242
No, it's Patrick!

>>46253136
I'd prefer it, but I don't trust the writing team to be that creative.

>>46253140
True, but the skin colors and lattice flesh scream eldrazi.

>>46253234
>wastes 2 cards
well okay.

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>>46253182
I kinda want to put it on my own Thunderbreak Regent

>>46253078
The card does TWO whole things and requires thinking to use properly. It should really be a rare.

>>46252867
>>46252867
>Someone explain to me what's the big difference between starting 1 second after everyone else in a hundred meter sprint? It's just one second!
Use your head, damn it. Try play Modern or Legacy using Cancel and see how good it is yourself.

>>46253270
Throwing random old characters from the lore that have been effectively replaced anyway isn't "creative", especially when it's in lieu of the characters that replaced them.

>>46253272
>wastes
>gives you a 3/4 and kills you opponent's creature
>waste
Please tell me what other T1 play gives you a 3/4 and leaves your opponent open.

>>46253137
I can't wait for Post-Modern to take over.

>Ludevic and Geralf writing little love letters to each other promising team ups
>Gisa still alive
These feels. I want them to print their commander cards or new versions in the next set. Frankenstein and Necromancer triforce teamups in Eldrich I hope.

>Scarecrow in INN2 as well
The one thing the origional was missing. Hope there's a couple more coming.

Damn this set feels fantastic.

>>46253344
I don't trust them to be unpredictable, then.

>>46253365
t1 Monastery Swiftspear
attack.

I save my Gutshot and that thing for something else.

>>46253044
>>46253067
Sure, if you ignore the shape of her head, skin tone, nose and lips. Then she seems totally white, sure.

>>46253435
Fair enough.

>>46253426
I was joking earlier but I realized how ridiculous sweet i'd be for a transform card where the art was two characters back-to-back and flipped between them. The flavor would be through the fucking roof.

>>46253491
Here is your (You)
Now go back to /pol/

>>46253491
I think you're being paranoid, anon.

>>46250202

Pretty good SB card for opposing aggro decks, especially if they have smaller critters.

Putting this on a 1st turn mana dork in Elves is a good application, or really any critter that you can easily beat in combat. Card is really solid, shame the horror doesn't have evasion, but that would make it too good.

>>46253491
>the shape of her head, skin tone, nose and lips
All of those look rather white to me, she's clearly not in perfect lightning. I have literally no idea what you are talking about with the other shit, there is nothing black about her fucking nose.

>>46253588
>Putting this on a 1st turn mana dork in Elves is a good application
Why? So they can tap it for mana and make the enchantment do nothing?

>>46253548
>>46253558
>>46253601
You're all fucking demented, she's clearly as black as Briarbridge Patrol.

>>46250677

Remember this: they came as three.

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We all know who's behind what's happening...

>>46252741

It isn't an enchantment though.

>>46250202
this looks very good

>>46253701
It's literally In Case of Delirium, Break Glass and you get a 4/4/ Trample Hexproof for 3 cmc.

>>46253701
It's an enchantment for one full turn at least, and a real shit one at that.

>>46253737
So it's a do-nothing enchantment.

>>46253737
>4/4/ Trample Hexproof for 3 cmc.
This is really misleading. This card will probably never be a 4/4 trample hexproof that can attack next turn for 3. It might be a 4/4 with hexproof and trample a good portion of the time more often on turn 4 and on, but I would be surprised if even constructed, much less limited, could consistently hit delirium before its upkeep on turn 4.

>>46253787
End step.

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>>46253787
Did you forget Activate Delirium?

>>46253645
Except she's white.

>>46252699
Eh, I'd consider drafting it if it was just G.

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>>46253691
>White borders
>9th edition
Let the true badass come in. Portal is acceptable too.

>>46253816
This only turns delirium on halfway guaranteed. It's a good, even great enabler, but not a perfect one that even nearly consistently turns on Delirium.
>>46253813
My bad, I thought it was upkeep.

>so many cards that do something from the graveyard
This is what heaven is like

>>46250202
It would be bonkers with bitterblossom and skullclamp, but then i remember skullclamp is banned in every format excepto commander

>>46253747

>one full turn

It transforms end of turn, actually. It's no slower than any other creature without haste. And it's not the most efficient green creature ever but 2G for a 4/4 hexproof trampler is nothing to sneeze at.

>>46252975
You know you can pump them after blockers are declared, right?

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Did you guys see anywhere the Ultra Pro Product (sleeves, playmat) for this set? kind of interested to what they have, there's a lot of nice arts.

>>46253882
>EMN spoiler season comes
>First card spoiled is RiP in Peace
How salty would everyone be?

>>46253932
I mean at least it wouldn't hose Madness, but pretty salty.

>>46253916
Infect is tier 1 now then?

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Is there any good reason for mythic rarity?

>>46253948
m-muh limited

>>46253883
>MFW I'm going to make a casual WR token rush deck now with 4x this and clamp
HAHA I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M DOING!

>>46253925
I've been wondering too. I know their picture sleeves are garbage, but their playmats and binders are pretty great, was hoping to pick one up this set.

>>46253948
Yes
Is calles capitalism

Anything worth playing in pauper?

>>46253909
Oh, no, I didn't mean that it was slower than a creature without haste. Whether it flipped at the next end step or your next up keep didn't matter in that respect. But checking upkeep gave you the opportunity to do something for delirium during the opponent's turn which is all I was factoring in by saying that. Transforming durign end step is actually better since it can block rather than spend another turn doing nothing.

My point is really just that it's not as above-curve as it reads because of the requirements of Delirium probably almost never going to actually be live on turn 3 without a pretty crazy set up. It's more likely it'll be transforming turn 4-5. Still a decent creature then but not real notable or anything.

>>46253948
The other TCG do it so MtG must do it, like that new players won't be confused when they try MtG.

>>46253948
To be honest Magic would be better off for players as an LCG with sets trimmed down to a playset of the like 50 or 60 actual cards of value in the set and not jank like 2/2 vanilla werewolf that transforms into a 4/4 vanilla or a 5 mana conditional kill spell that makes you pay even more mana to draw a card or etc. But their business model is based around gambling and sucking as much money as possible, so we're stuck with what we have.

Potential combo with Gravepurge and Liliana's Indignation?

>>46253932
>>46253943
I know it is not related to the spoilers but you should see the dredge player's face when he sees me aggressively mulligan to a starting hand leyline of the void. Scoops, looks at this sideboard. shuffles. scoops.


mmm dem tears.

>>46254021

That's fine, you don't have to love it. I was initially just responding to the claim that it's a "do nothing enchantment" when it obviously is meant to go in a deck where it's almost always a 4/4 for 3 with two additional upsides. That analysis was so far off the mark it might as well be satire.

>>46250755
I like the one I came up with yesterday
Oath of The Gay Twats

>>46254142
Dredge players are like hitler. All shouting how they are the best but bend over to the hate

>>46254055
Sounds like someone needs to play what my group does.
We call it Dumpster Diving Casual.

Basically what we do is we take the garbage cards with no real value and put them in a sorted pool. We all build decks from this pool (Pauper rules, but you're limited to also 5 rares max all of which the group must agree is shitty and is $1 or less) and you make a deck with those garbage cards.

Beers and banter suggested.

Occasionally we burn the decks after a while (taking out the rares or uncomons) or just ziplock the whole thing and leave them in libraries or something for other players to pick them up or for kids to maybe find and get into the game.

>>46254187
I just imagine all the creative team crying while reading those questions

I don't feel bad cuz they killed avacyn

>>46254188
I think dredge is a nice deck for legacy. It keeps the eldrazi cancer at bay.

>>46254188

Granted if you don't ever draw hate they'll just beat you no problem. It's pretty fair, nonetheless any GY player should know how to play around it

>>46254238
Meh. Maybe is cuz all dredgers i know have a súper ego.

I always beat them with Enchantress so is no problem to me

>>46253298
...so when your 4/4 flyer dies you get a 3/4? Why?

>>46254055
Because limited is the most played format, Wizards caters to it more than any other format and centers design around it.

Because Wizards caters to limited more than any other format and centers design around it, it ends up being the most played format.

>>46253925
Probably just Planeswalkers.

>>46254055

I'm still waiting for an LCG Magic clone to come along and fuck WotC over. Hearthstone came really close with the "get literally everything ever for free" model and but they still reward spending money on randomized packs enough not to count (even though every other expansion is non-randomized). It's only a matter of time, new games come out every year and people grow more and more disillusioned with Magic's blatant cash grab format. There's a goldmine in that idea just waiting for someone to execute it properly.

>>46254280

Enchantress is Dredge's worst matchup though. Even game 1, the enchantress player has 70/30 winrate in their favor. A single Elephant Grass shuts down the beatdown route, and Solitary Confinement seals the deal for any Flayer wincon

>>46252454
instead of your parasitic shit

1UU
Counter target spell
If you sacrificed a clue token this turn, <name> costs {1} less

>>46254295
That's shit, you could have a nice limited environment like vintage mtgo cube and still have nice power level

Reminder that weremilf is a flash in the pan and won't show up ever again.

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Do you think these guys will spike once the set releases? I'm thinking about pre-ordering a playset.

>>46254280
Enchantress <3 . Yeah its a highly unfavorable matchup for dredge.

I can see that in dredge players. You have to dislike magic in general to play dredge.

>>46254388

It's a common that as of now sees no play so no they won't spike.

>>46254388

Wish it was a 4/5 for it to be truly beggar's goyf.

>common
It won't spoke to anything worth mentioning. Even Delver, the best common printed in the past years isn't that expensive

>>46254388
I don't even. Why would the price of a common spike to an unreasonable level just after release? Just draft or something, damn man

>>46254388

A common? No, not until after the set goes out of print.

>>46254344
But anon, new players need bad cards in order to learn that some cards are bad. Are you suggesting Wizards print only good cards? How are new players supposed to learn some cards are bad if there aren't any bad cards?

>>46254378
Don't remind me. She didn't even appear on any other art in this set.

>>46250468
>hype for angelic-hatebear Thalia intensifies

>>46254509
It's actually more likely she'll die and become a WU spirit if she's in the Order of Saint Traft. Have a good day. :)

>>46254509
Thalia, Arcagel of Innistrad
WW3
Flash
Noncreature spells with cmc 3 or more cannot be casted
4/4

>>46254509
You know for a fact she'll be replaced by a midrange 3/2 for 3 2-dollar rare

>>46253344
That's what would make it interesting. Of course that's why it isn't going to happen.

>>46254638
It feels like you should be replying to a totally different post because that post is saying exactly the opposite of what you're saying. Throwing arbitrary reference to old characters isn't "Creative", it isn't "interesting", at least not inherently so. If you didn't like the plot of this block so far, the final boss being Marit Lage doesn't make it better, and if you already liked it it being Emrakul doesn't make it worse, nor does it being Marit Lage make it better. You don't watch Scooby Doo to see the latest self destructive small business owner, you watch it to see the mystery.

>>46254388
Maybe slightly. I expect some people to grab them up like crazy expecting it to be Goyf 2

>>46254312
Force of Will is practically a LCG considering how easy and relatively cheap it is to get hold of cards in new sets. My LGS is loving it. It's likely going to replace MtG as the shop's main game if MtG continues to disappoint.

>>46251895
Play something other than control faaaaaaaag

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Fun, skill testing card coming through.

>>46255037
>Did a draw a good madness card? This card is good
>Oh, I didn't? This card is shit
I'm beginning to truly understand how black and white Magic has become.

I'm actually very impressed with WotCs creativity with Transform this go around.

>>46255078
Really stellar.

>>46255078
>They put it on card types other than creatures

DONUTSTEEL

>>46255078
I think there are some more flavorful transformations this time, and two, maybe three really uniquely mechaniced ones, but the main transforming tribe is still mostly just vanilla/french vanilla that flips into a slightly bigger vanilla/french vanilla.

>>46255065
NOOOOBBBBBB HAHAHAHAHAHA
Hint : even if you draw madness card, that card is fucking shit.

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Hey, assholes, I actually solved the secret of the clues.

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>>46255155

>>46251348
She wouldn't do it while you're living anyway.

>>46255169
I don't know what I was expecting, but I was pleasantly surprised either way.

>>46255065
>I never draw more lands than I need
>I never need to push damage
>I can always cast all of the spells in my hand
>I will never need to prevent an attack
>there are no other discard for benefit cards other than madness cards
What?

>>46254388
Eldrazi Skyspawner has been used in a LOT of high level decks (even showing up in Modern decklists) and it is still a $0.10 common. It is also arguably a better card than Scavenger.

I'd say you aren't going to need to "worry" about value here.

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>>46255196
Wait are you suggesting this as a playable card anywhere outside of limited?

>>46253656

I really hope they do Emrakul justice in this. I don't think they should even call him Emrakul, but some other name, since it's a new plane. We'll just know it's him from art or whatever.

>>46255215
No.

>>46255237
Innistrad's occupants will magically know the being is called Emrakul because that's about how well Wizards can write these days.

>>46253272
>Cast an enchantment that turns into a 3/4 when the thing it's attached to dies
>Cast a burn spell to kill opponent's creature
>2-for-1ed yourself

whew lad

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Is this a good card in Standard Budget RDW? Late game it can get your 1/1s and 2/2s in for the final few hits, and it loots.

>>46255237
We have, at least, Nahiri and Jace who know that it's called Emrakul, and Jace is our protagonist so he'll know it's Emrakul, and probably interact with Innistrad natives on his side, where Nahiri will interact with whatever natives on her side and inform them she's called Emrakul, so we shouldn't have any reason for her to not be called as Emrakul.

>>46253272
Both cards are working 1 for 1 you dingus. The only real complaint I can see is having to make room for gut shot in the deck.

>>46253947
If you aren't playing mono G glass canon infect you aren't winning with infect.

>>46255302
>Opponent is down a creature
>You're down a removal spell
>You also played a 3/4 for R

That's not 2 for 1. Its a 1 for 1 that enables a cheap beater.

>>46253003
or hell pump your own blockers when your opponent is swinging in.

>>46255326
It's a fantastic card and in my top 15 for the set.

>>46253874
>T1 Fetch for Watery Grave play Serum Visions
>T2 Swamp Sinister Concoction, crack it, mill nonland nonenchantment, discard nonland nonenchantment to destroy their 1 drop
>T3 Autumnal Gloom, delirium online

Literally fetchland into t1 instant.sorcery and your already halfway to delirium. There's artifact creatures, enchantment creatures, tribal sorceries, and a land creature in modern. Delirium can come online T2 with luck, T3 almost garunteed if you build your deck to do it

>>46255509
No one is playing this card in modern, lol. You can quote me on that one.

Did anyone else notice more shitty digital art than usual? Apart from a couple good looking cards, most of the set looks like video game box art

>>46254055
>>46254312

LCG shills seriously need to shut the fuck up, it's practically every MtG thread there's at least one post about it. You don't see anybody shitposting in netrunner generals that it needs to be a CCG. If you don't like the game design then don't play it.

>>46255343
>>46255394
You are wasting two removals on one creature.

>>46255326
>late game

Don't plan for losing.

>>46255570
That's every magic set now. It isn't more than any set recently. There's probably LESS than in other recent sets.

>>46255590

It's being treated as a one mana 3/4 in that instance.

>>46255581
Hear hear.
They're just salty their thread usually died prematurely whenever they made one.

>>46255394
do you not understand how greentext works? Or how to read quotes?

>>46255590
The Enchantment doesn't remove anything. Its literally just a creature that triggers on their death.

>>46255590
>R+2 life for a 3/4 and kill a 1-drop on T1
>wasting two removal spells

I can't deal with this level of retardation right now.

>>46255590
>You are wasting two removals on one creature.
It's not removal, it's a 1 mana 3/4 that can only be played when you kill a creature.

>>46255684
>Removal

Holy shit it isn't a removal spell. What does that Enchantment do to remove a creature?

>>46255581
No one says that Netrunner should be a CCG because no one actively wants a CCG, people just tolerate it. It's a shitty business model for the customer.

>>46255943
As someone who has an interest in Netrunner, I know that it's pointless getting into it because my GOD the initial startup price is getting insane. The "core box" doesn't even contain all of the cards you need.

>Saint Traft is one of the face card of the Innistrad duel decks
>Shows up nowhere in the set

What is he doing while Avacyn is going to crazytown?

>>46255155
My mom thought this was funny. Nice job, Anon.

>>46256065
Getting head off some 36DD angel.

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>>46256049
Very true. And this is the big issue with LCGs, if you don't get in on the ground floor you're fucked. I played AGOT 1.0 for a long time, and my friend and I split the cost. He got in later than I did and he had to drop a bunch of cash to get some essentials.

I do miss the multiplayer in AGOT, god damn that was some fun shit

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>>46256065
?

>>46256103
Heh.

>>46256065
gettin' replaced with a shit enchantment

>>46255943
>Netrunner is 4 years old
>668 unique cards
>167 new cards a year

>MtG is 23 years old
>13651 unique cards
>593 new cards every year

but sure, keep telling me LCGs are the superior business model, you only have to buy multiple copies of the core set to get full playsets.

>>46256297
Like 80% of Magic cards are completely irrelevant and exist to pad out packs.

>>46256065
I hope he'll get a new card in EMN that's a spirit lord. We need the Gisa/Geralf Zombie lord, Tovolar Werewolf lord, Thalia human lord, Runo vampire lord, and Saint Traft spirit lord.

>>46256321
That's why everybody who want to play anything outside of kitchen table and limited buy single.

>>46256321
I'm sure every card in Netrunner is relevant and playable.

>>46256297
>muh LCG have no rarity guise
>it's just a coincidence that there's only one of this super good card in the core set

>>46256376
And the average standard deck is like $600. No thanks.

>>46256377
Never said they were, internet warrior.

>>46256377
I thought this was someone saying that every card in Netrunner was relevant and playable and not a sarcastic remark and was about to greentext and make my own sarcastic remark.

>>46254707
>If you didn't like the plot of this block so far, the final boss being Marit Lage doesn't make it better, and if you already liked it it being Emrakul doesn't make it worse, nor does it being Marit Lage make it better.

If all this build up is just building up to dull eldrazi shit, it would completely ruin the plot. A bad ending can ruin a good story. All that mystery and build up for something we've already seen multiple times now.

Getting to see Marit Lage and have her story expanded upon would conversely be great and fit much better with the Lovecraft theme. She's also not bound by the rules and restrictions of the eldrazi, so she can be made to fit whatever the story needs of her.

>>46250536
> Some glass-maker refused to get purged until he captured Avacyn fabulous new hair on a stained-glass window.
> "I mean, red and white work so well on this!"

>>46255237
>him

>>46256326
Ludivec needs a card now that e and Geralf are set to team up for frankenstein buddies
While I'd like Gisa and Geralf to see their commander cards become legal with a reprint, a flip card that goes back and forth between the two siblings (maybe two flip cards) would be pretty neat.

>>46256603
>Whenever you <condition>, add a petty argument counter to Geralf
>When Geralf has X petty argument counters, transform it into Gisa

>>46255237
This just dawned on me, but where did the Eldrazi get their names? The names of the gods of Zendikar were all corruptions of the Eldrazi's names, which means the Eldrazi had to have names already. So as ageless entities that exist solely in the realm between worlds where few can even travel and only a handful of people ever knew they existed, who named them?

>>46256491
>Getting to see Marit Lage and have her story expanded upon would conversely be great and fit much better with the Lovecraft theme.
I 100% call bullshit on this. I don't care if you didn't like how Eldrazi were portrayed in BFZ, but the fact fo the matter is they are based on Lovecraft's monsters and therefore can fit perfectly well within a Lovecrftian horror story. Just because they were eldritch horrors used in an action plot doesn't mean they can't be used in a mystery plot, and in fact it'd be far more incorrect if the eldritch horrors actively COULDN'T be used in a mystery plot. Does Jace not work as the protagonist of this block because most Magic stories are war-like conflict action stories? If you didn't like the Eldrazi in BFZ because you don't think it was true to Lovecraft or whatever the fuck, it doesn't mean Eldrazi ARE RUINED FOREVER THEY AREN'T LOVECRAFTIAN AT ALL AND THEY DON'T FIT THAT KIND OF STORY because fuck you, they should be able to, and you know what, exactly like I said, if you thought the plot of story was working right now, knowing the final boss is Emrakul doesn't change that. It's like getting mad because the final boss wasn't the color you liked, because really there is no real difference between conceptually between Eldrazi and Marit Lage.

Marit Lage having absolutely no explanation or backstory, therefore allowing them to bullshit whatever they want, doesn't make her better. That sounds more like something someone say as a criticism more often than not.

>>46255237
>him

>>46256675
Eugene

>>46256675
Nahiri told ancient Zendikari about the names of the Eldrazi which over time got corrupted into the form they have now (weirdly enough though, the Kor gods, which are the main tribe she was the prophet of, have totally wrong names, but there's no meaning behind that other than poor foresight and unexpected developments), but where her and the other three figured their names, I don't know. Presumably Ugin just made them up.

>>46256297
>MtG
>593 new cards every year
>only a handful of those cards are ever playable
>trees died to make cards nobody wants and will be never played

>>46256747
M-muh limited... kitchen table... casual... commander... !!!!!

>>46256727
Oh boy I can't wait for the Zendikar: Origins block where we have poor writing shoveled down our throats because everything needs an origins story these days.

>>46256687
People don't want Emrakul because people don't want the Eldrazi, who were announced has a fucking multiversial threat, being deal with in 2 block by a bunch of new walkers when three oldwalkers could only seal them and when the last multiversial threat ,Yawgmoth's Phyrexia, need thousand of years of preparation to be destroyed.

>>46256103
> Saint Traft, patron saint of slayers, exorcists and masseurs.

>>46256664
And then Gisa would have a mirror card that would transform into Geralf

>>46256065
Uhh, he's dead.

>>46256921
>Whenever a human dies, put a petty argument counter on Geralf
BECAUSE THEY'RE ARGUING OVER WHO GETS THE CORPSE

>>46256839
They won't kill Emrakul. They even covered their ass for it by making it a point to says she's far and away the strongest of the titans. So if you're worried that they're killing the Eldrazi too fast they won't. I hate that they did kill the other two to begin with, since this archetype as a concept feels wrong when it's not a pantheon of elder gods and it's just Cthulhu by himself, but the Eldrazi will still be around. And if the issue is that they thought the BFZ story sucked, well, join the club, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to use Magic's premier eldritch abominations in a Lovecraftian horror story.

>>46256957
Whenever a human dies, flip a coin. If it's head put a 2/2 ghoul-ey zombie token into the battlefield. If it's tail put a 2/2 skaab-ey zombie token into the battlefield.

>>46256664
> Geralf: "... whatever, just do what you want Gisa! Like you always do." Flip card to Gisa
> Gisa: "Yeah? You think you can do better? Ok, I'll just watch..." Flip card to Geralf

>>46256839
>could only seal them meme

It has been stated that the old walkers could have killed them, but Ugin told them not to because he didn't know what the consequences were. He was pissed when the super best friends killed them for the same reason. Not to mention, their first 2 plans failed.

>Plan 1: Use hedrons to deal them.
This worked until the Ob "Fuck your shit" Nixilis not only ruined everything, but made it literally twice as bad. He's the villain we all need.

>Plan 2: Make them real and force their mana back into Zendikar.
There were so many thing retarded about this plan, but they had no time to get the hedrons together. Zendikar was pretty much fucked. It's not surprise that their plan to get into an eating contest with plane eaters fucking backfired. In fact, it backfired so hard that Zendikar was getting ready to crack. Who would've thought.

>Plan 3: Oh shit oh shit oh shit
They were ready to fucking abandon Zendikar. Chandra made a huge-ass fire tornado and the Titans, despite being brought into real space, just laughed at it. What was there to do? In a last ditch effort, their plan was to release the Titans from their bind and has Chandra cause all the mana they had consumed to fucking explode. If that failed, the Titans would have fucked off and everything would have been ruined. (Un?)Fortunately, it was enough to kill them.

>>46256977
And they won't destroy innistrad either, that's the problem, if you had an eldritch abomination that do nothing but barely threaten a plan from time to time until the gatewatch come to save the day it won't be better than any saturday morning cartoon villain.

>>46256792
> Not doing time travelling for the "Eldrazi of Zendikar" set
> With the new keyword megadevoid

>>46257207
Those Ob POV stories were very well done

>>46256727
They're probably just literal descriptions of what they do in Eldar Dragon tongue. Like Crusher, Mindfuck, and Balloon.

Then Nahiri heard Ugin say them and just assumes those were their actual names.

>>46257219
And the final boss being Emrakul or marit lage doesn't change that. You know going in they have absolutely no intention of killing what's probably 100% their most popular plane.

So why is Avacyn going insane again, and how off the deep end is she